#beta-ptr-spoilers

rain cave Jun 8, 2022, 11:11 AM

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@cunning fossil

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thoughts on this?

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tried to go full in on death strike and use unquenchable thirst as a catalyst for high burst damage

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I could probably replace unholy stuff with frost for more RP though

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and there might be some way to squeeze improved vampiric blood out on the blood tree by removing some of the dancing weapon stuff

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but I like having dancing weapon because it mirrors your attacks

cunning fossil Jun 8, 2022, 4:30 PM

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Oooh interesting

cunning fossil Jun 8, 2022, 4:43 PM

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rain cave thoughts on this?

I would maybe consider only putting one point into that 2 pointer jn the 5th row if h wanna squeeze some more Vampiric Blood utiloty

glass flicker Jun 8, 2022, 6:09 PM

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So, what champion title do you reckon the Dragon Aspects will give us, this time?

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My money is on Champion, or Hero.

strange falcon Jun 8, 2022, 6:17 PM

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they bring magni around, strapped to one of the dragons, just for him to say "CHAMPIEEEN", every time its required

glass flicker Jun 8, 2022, 6:21 PM

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Yes.

rain cave Jun 8, 2022, 6:33 PM

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glass flicker So, what champion title do you reckon the Dragon Aspects will give us, this time...

Dragonlayer if the dracthyr community gets a say

glass flicker Jun 8, 2022, 6:33 PM

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T'was I whom fucked the dragon!

dense plover Jun 8, 2022, 8:08 PM

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So internal alpha means alpha soon-ish. But that could be 6 weeks for all we know

rich elm Jun 8, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Yea that’s gonna be cool

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All I know is I want to see content creators dive in asap

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I need to see how far along it is

visual vortex Jun 8, 2022, 8:16 PM

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It just looks so pretty and I’m so excited,,

uncut lintel Jun 8, 2022, 9:07 PM

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@strange falcon go on

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say it

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Kapp

cunning fossil Jun 8, 2022, 9:07 PM

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lol

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https://mythictrap.com/dragonflights-talents?c106=neytql_2n7ehh_5gtu8&c104=nycy2s_igfg9w_ep Maul Bear Druid

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uncut lintel Jun 8, 2022, 9:12 PM

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ok but

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feral buff wen

dense plover Jun 8, 2022, 9:29 PM

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uncut lintel feral buff wen

Dragon flight

uncut lintel Jun 8, 2022, 9:29 PM

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but thats like

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a whole 5 years away

trail knot Jun 8, 2022, 9:31 PM

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I thought feral was good, boomkin seems fked tho

cunning fossil Jun 8, 2022, 9:31 PM

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how is boomkin fed?

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they have like

uncut lintel Jun 8, 2022, 9:32 PM

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0 dps

cunning fossil Jun 8, 2022, 9:32 PM

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they still have a lot of the things that make them good

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LOL

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su

uncut lintel Jun 8, 2022, 9:32 PM

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Kapp im not wrong

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i cant wait to mess with feral druid talent system in df

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even tho ima be maining an evoker

trail knot Jun 8, 2022, 9:36 PM

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feral is not doing bad in raiding or pvp

deep pawn Jun 9, 2022, 12:51 AM

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was there a post somewhere about internal starting?

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 1:31 AM

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deep pawn was there a post somewhere about internal starting?

No, it’s the dev CDN

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We can track the builds but we can’t download them

deep pawn Jun 9, 2022, 1:33 AM

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haven't there been encrypted builds for weeks now?

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 1:35 AM

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No

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There were one or two on vendor

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And then nothing

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Vendor is usually for sending to vendors like AMD or NVIDIA so they can update their drivers

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Considering that they further increases the view distance, engine changes are likely which means they need to update drivers

deep pawn Jun 9, 2022, 2:39 AM

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no talent trees today

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 2:55 AM

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deep pawn no talent trees today

maybe tomorrow?

deep pawn Jun 9, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Feels like we may only get 2 if any

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 2:58 AM

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deep pawn Feels like we may only get 2 if any

we will either get them all before alpha or only some classes will be playable when alpha launches

cunning fossil Jun 9, 2022, 5:13 AM

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Please be hunter

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Please be hunte

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PLEASE be HUNTER

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 5:15 AM

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i expect DH and Monk

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or if they dont do those now, theyre definitely going to do them together

cunning fossil Jun 9, 2022, 5:19 AM

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Fair enough yeah

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DHs are very worried about having keybinds only filling 8 slots total lol

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 5:20 AM

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theyre 100% going to add new DH abilities

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they have a tiny toolkit compared to other classes

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bare minimum, i think some form of every covenant power will be on their tree

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i suspect artifact ability stuff will be there

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probably some of their previous legendary powers

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and potentially even some of the azerite powers that were class specific

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maybe slightly retooled or rethemed

strange falcon Jun 9, 2022, 5:24 AM

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dense plover bare minimum, i think some form of every covenant power will be on their tree

You say probably, but this is already what they did in the current talent trees we have,
At least 1 covenant ability is in the tree of both dk and druid, there's more than 1 legion/sl legendary, and some artifact traits.

So this isnt a probably and more a very likely

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 5:27 AM

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im saying all 4 for DH because they need buttons

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im more saying they have a lot of sources to pull from and theyll really need to

deep pawn Jun 9, 2022, 7:36 AM

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I don't think they need that many buttons.

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And they're definitely not keeping the Necro dh ability. No one likes RNG like that.

upper pasture Jun 9, 2022, 7:43 AM

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i hope we get to keep the hunt D:

cunning fossil Jun 9, 2022, 7:59 AM

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The hunt is freaking awesome

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I would.personally just like more abilities that.play into.eacj playstyle

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Like go full demonic or momentum

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Maybe they add another mobility ability to DH

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Or like make it so that Movement speed bonuses also affect damage or some wierd stuff

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Or even just a new plausible entirely like they did with Galaxy Bear

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 12:31 PM

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cunning fossil I would.personally just like more abilities that.play into.eacj playstyle

2H DH using 'scythes'

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like the one NPC in legion

strange falcon Jun 9, 2022, 12:33 PM

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given what we've seen of the 2 talent trees we have, they dont want to make such big changes as a 2H DHs

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 12:33 PM

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I would argue the opposite

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because 2H is part of the frost DK tree

strange falcon Jun 9, 2022, 12:34 PM

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we already had 2H DK brought back earlier

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so it isnt a new change

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 12:35 PM

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still

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I'd like to see it

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because for frost DK it was base before

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this shows they're willing to put that kind of stuff in a talent tree

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2h enhance perhaps

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 3:05 PM

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They’re not going to add anything that requires them to add new casting animations

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DK already had the animations

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They just changed the spell effects associated

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Shaman doesn’t have 2H casting animations

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 3:06 PM

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wdym

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they don't need them

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they already have animations

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 3:06 PM

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Shaman literally has animations that use 2 different weapons

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You can’t use those animations for a 2H weapon

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 3:07 PM

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there's a whole library of animations for general use

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and enhance uses a lot of them

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 3:07 PM

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That’s not how class animations work

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 3:07 PM

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I think the only specific animation that enhance uses is stormstrike

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 3:07 PM

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There are a good chunk that are class specific

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 3:07 PM

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and even then that works with 2h

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but yeah enhance only uses a specific stormstrike animation

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as their spec specific thing

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and you could just use the obliterate animation

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since they are basically the same idea

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@dense plover

uncut vault Jun 9, 2022, 3:47 PM

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dense plover You can’t use those animations for a 2H weapon

DKs use their 1h animations with 2h, no reason they cant do the same for shaman

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plus, they also did add new DK animations for shadowlands along with it, to compensate

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so its 100% possible

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no combat weapon anims are classified as unique to one class or another either, only the casting ones are

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melee ones are just called CombatAnim1h or CombatAnim2h

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 3:59 PM

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I just see it as unlikely since they’re focusing on brand new class

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 4:28 PM

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they had a brand new class in legion

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and they still managed to pump out multiple unique effects for each spec

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and a lot of new animations because it was the melee animation overhaul

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it's entirely reasonable to expect a couple of potential new animations here and there

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but yeah I'm looking forward a lot to the enhance tree

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alongside arcane, destro, priest, warr and MM/Surv

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would be cool to see how paladins class tree goes

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rogues class tree could be cool too

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depending on if it's got the same level of power in it was DK's

visual oak Jun 9, 2022, 4:56 PM

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they could also just make it so you have the old skeleton which will mess up the new animations but wont matter since well you wouldnt see it you would see old (not like they already exist u can get the old skeleton of undead with noggenfogger or the purple pirate skull thing or the old dranei which has tauren animation set of old then theres the demon belf and the wod worgen thingy0

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)*

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as a selection choice in settings*

rain cave Jun 9, 2022, 4:59 PM

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old draenei doesn't use tauren animations

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the old broken draenei do

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(e.g. akama)

visual oak Jun 9, 2022, 5:21 PM

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rain cave the old broken draenei do

That's what I meant by old draenei I couldn't remember their technical name

dense plover Jun 9, 2022, 6:41 PM

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Yeah you can’t use that

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That’s how you get broken spines and stuff

deep pawn Jun 10, 2022, 12:14 AM

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Another quiet day.

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Maybe they are dealing with the immortal 'success'

cunning fossil Jun 10, 2022, 12:36 AM

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lol

deep pawn Jun 10, 2022, 12:41 AM

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3.3 star average isn't great

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Lots of 1 stars

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 1:09 AM

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Reviews don't matter. Player count and money paid matters.

rich elm Jun 10, 2022, 1:18 AM

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^ there was an article that said Diablo actually made a LOTTT of money

crimson jasper Jun 10, 2022, 1:30 AM

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yea which is unfortunate but a good chunk of the target audience isn't as informed as a lot of the people that are part of gaming communities like we are

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 1:31 AM

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crimson jasper yea which is unfortunate but a good chunk of the target audience isn't as inform...

or the average player doesnt care

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 1:36 AM

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crimson jasper yea which is unfortunate but a good chunk of the target audience isn't as inform...

This is the wrong take. Tobi is much closer. The average mobile gamer experiences this stuff all the time - this isn’t any worse than most other F2P games these days

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So ofc they aren’t upset - this is par for the course. This is only upsetting for all the Diablo fans who have never played a mobile game before

crimson jasper Jun 10, 2022, 1:39 AM

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guess l gave them too much credit

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in that case, they are ruining a good part of the gaming market for people that do care

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cause sorry l dont want to whale a shitty mobile game

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l could expand this rant but

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immortal stinks

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that's it

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 2:06 AM

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its a pretty mediocre game

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ive definitely played worse

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genshin is as predatory but is a much better game

deep pawn Jun 10, 2022, 2:07 AM

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The combat felt fine, it's diablo

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Also, it's a bit insulting to call changes tanks have asked for for over a year "fixing issues"

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 2:09 AM

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crimson jasper in that case, they are ruining a good part of the gaming market for people that ...

Don't blame the consumers, blame the companies behind their predatory tactics

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and lack of government action

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 2:11 AM

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well - where do you draw the line on legality? lootboxes? sure, but that doesnt stop the shitty battle passes, the login stuff, the boss boxes, etc

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getting rid of gambling in the games doesnt make them much different, especially in DI's case

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DI is extremely minor with its "loot boxes"

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it isnt a Gacha game

crimson jasper Jun 10, 2022, 2:11 AM

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ember blaze Don't blame the consumers, blame the companies behind their predatory tactics

if consumers wouldn't buy the shit they'd stop putting it in

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 2:13 AM

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the shirt im wearing probably came from slave labor somewhere. It shouldn't be on me or expect to stop it

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im not the one responsible

crimson jasper Jun 10, 2022, 2:16 AM

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not really a accurate comparison but ok

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 3:12 AM

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Battle passes aren't even that bad. FOMO for sure, but it is usually just cosmetics.

Halo Infinite actually does it alright. You can still work towards old.battle passes even when new ones come out. You aren't locked out from progressing.

signal bone Jun 10, 2022, 3:18 AM

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I wish wow would do that with their seasons. Like put the m+ mounts on a vendor you can get with currency from doing m+. Just add more shit as rewards (armor, weapons, etc.)

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m+ right now is very lacking when it comes to interesting rewards. A reskinned mount and title? Pass

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 3:48 AM

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that's like every content

upper pasture Jun 10, 2022, 3:55 AM

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"god i wish content didn't get locked away forever, not that I actually care for the mounts or titles"

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 4:04 AM

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signal bone I wish wow would do that with their seasons. Like put the m+ mounts on a vendor ...

JFC

strange falcon Jun 10, 2022, 4:56 AM

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rich elm ^ there was an article that said Diablo actually made a LOTTT of money

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/260539358891868161/984583071842070590/unknown-278.png

cunning fossil Jun 10, 2022, 5:11 AM

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I feel like I feel bad for that dev in particular

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At the end of the day, Devs have to bend the knee to their overloards in corporate in terms of monetization

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So I feel like bashing devs is a bad move

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Because otherwise? People have said it is a genuinely good game

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The micro transactions make it fucking insufferable

strange falcon Jun 10, 2022, 5:12 AM

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cunning fossil I feel like I feel bad for that dev in particular

I dont make the memes, and the most public dev is always the scapegoat,
Case in point, Ion and Danuser

cunning fossil Jun 10, 2022, 5:13 AM

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Well yes we all know that. It wasn't a response to u but U meant in general

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I*

opaque pewter Jun 10, 2022, 6:50 AM

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It's a pretty sad reaction yeah

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I've been enjoying the game. And I was surprised at how unobtrusive the upsell is.
It's a bit (read: very) overblown by the detractors

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:43 AM

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ember blaze that's like every content

Except raid has multiple sets and weapons, and usually a mount or 2
Pvp has even more mounts, tabards, titles, sets and weapon enchants shrug

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M+ especially this expansion has next to no reward besides like 2 titles and a recolour mount

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Atleast bfa and legion dungeon sets weren’t complete garbage

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:45 AM

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for raid isn't it usually just an end of expac thing? 🤔

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the aotc mount and mythic mount

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:45 AM

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Not really

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Last raid has a mount

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:46 AM

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i dont recall bfa or sl having any mounts until last tier

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:46 AM

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Tidestorm and gmod

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Vex and allseer

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:46 AM

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i remember vex and mythic mount

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:46 AM

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Tidestorm and gmod from dazaralor

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:47 AM

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right 😂 i remember tidestorm i got during that late into the patch you could get it in

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forgot about that

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:48 AM

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And legion had the snake thing from tomb, doggo from Argus, aotc mount and urzhul
Along with 2 mounts from nighthold

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M+ just lacks any unique rewards shrug

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Id like them to do enchants, tabards etc like in pvp but I doubt they ever will

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:49 AM

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enchants?

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like the weapon glows?

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:49 AM

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Ye

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You get duelist enchants from pvp

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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i want pet rewards 😶

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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You get pets from pvp PauseChamp

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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really?

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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Yep

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

Tenor

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:50 AM

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Honor levels reward pets

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Oh and even more mounts

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:51 AM

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add it to my list of never obtainable pets

cosmic beacon Jun 10, 2022, 7:51 AM

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Forgot about that

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:51 AM

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🛌

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that lv 400 pet is something i wont get until 50 years

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and im on my deathbed

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 5:46 PM

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I'm all for letting people get content that was previously available. I think people should be able to get the Mage Tower weapons still. Reduce FOMO.

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Don't punish those who didn't even play the game until now

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:22 PM

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^

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:22 PM

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nocturne totem I'm all for letting people get content that was previously available. I think pe...

10000000% agreed!

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:22 PM

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nocturne totem Don't punish those who didn't even play the game until now

Absolutely!

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:23 PM

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there are no justifiable arguments for FOMO style content

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like if you try to argue for it you end up looking like an ass

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:23 PM

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Yes there are justifiable arguments

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:23 PM

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"I don't want them to have it because then it make me feel less special :("

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like bro shut yo ass up

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:23 PM

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If you can do it later, why do it now?

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:23 PM

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because you want to

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lmao

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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That’s a terrible business strategy tho

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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rain cave "I don't want them to have it because then it make me feel less special :("

Agreed lol.

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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dense plover If you can do it later, why do it now?

that's not an argument for fomo either

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Wow is a sub based game

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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if anything it's against

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Their entire job is to keep you subscribed

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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yeah and?

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make content for me to play and I'll be subbed

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Limited time content has always been part of that

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

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getting mage tower weapons is content

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and if I can't get them

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potential reason not to sub

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Lol

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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FOMO content only gets you subs in the moment

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lowers your subs as time goes on

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since people have less to come back to

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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dense plover Their entire job is to keep you subscribed

Exactly. Which makes fomo even more predatory. If you want ppl to be subbed more, keep content in rhe game forever

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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“I’m not gonna sub because I can’t get the thing I wasn’t there for so I didn’t know it existed” terrible logic dude

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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what

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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That’s what you said

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:25 PM

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I was there for mage tower weapons

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I just didn't get all of them because they were challenging at the time

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and I didn't have a guild to raid with to get gear to make it easier

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hell mage tower is still challenging

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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That’s the fucking point though. If they were to let it live on they would become easy

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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no?

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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And then everyone would have them

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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it's still challenging

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ok and?

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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dense plover And then everyone would have them

And?

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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everyone CAN get ashes of alar

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everyone CAN get mythic world first

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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If everyone has the special thing, it isn’t special

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By definition

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:26 PM

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untrue

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because special is defined by the person

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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dense plover If everyone has the special thing, it isn’t special

An argument of selfishness.

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Everyone can’t get Mythic world first

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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not an objective clasisfication

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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There aren’t even 200 people in the world that can get that consistently

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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rain cave everyone CAN get mythic world first

Eh no.

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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Also Ashes is a random drop

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It’s not challenging

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It’s the opposite of a good comparison

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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you're missing the point though

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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It’s the exact opposite

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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what do you define as special?

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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I’m not

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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because whatever it is

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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It’s rare - so it’s special

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:27 PM

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that's YOUR definition

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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But it’s rare because it’s RNG

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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to me something becomes special if I have a memory attached to it that makes it special

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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Keeping mage tower current requires them to rebalance it every time they change class abilities or gear balance shifts

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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or I just like it

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doesn't have to be rare

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my cat is ginger, a very common type of cat

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my cat is also extremely special to me

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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So now they’re doing all this work for content that people who already got the reward aren’t going to do

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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I have a nelf hunter, a very common class/race combo

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my hunter is special to me because I've had it since I was 8

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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That’s also a shit comparison

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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no

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it's not lmao

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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You can’t replicate nostalgia special

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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because it's my opinion of special-ness

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I'm not distinguishing it as nostalgia special

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Yeah that’s literally different than the “this is a thing you can’t get anymore”

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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that doesn't make it special though

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Which again, is a thing wow has always had

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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just because you can't get something doesn't make it special

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just makes it limited

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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Anh Qiraj has those special mounts No one can get anymore

subtle oar Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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Arguing for FOMO content is just an argument of selfishness, period. It simply boils down to someone not wanting someone else to get the same thing as them. It doesn't matter to them that the new person didn't get to play then, all that matters is that the new player is NEVER allowed to have it because that makes you feel better.

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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^

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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I’m not upset - it’s cool as hell to sometimes see someone whose been playing from the start riding around on that ugly black bug

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:30 PM

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if you feel your "specialness" gets soiled by people being able to go and get the tmog they want

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then bruh

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I just don’t have a problem with it tbh

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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because achievements exist

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if you want to prove you're an OG

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I didn’t get my mage tower stuff - but I didn’t try and I don’t mind

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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or whatever

dense plover Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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This isn’t very ptr at this point

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Or spoilers

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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any askers?

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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We are talking about designing the game a certain way and what WoW should be

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 6:31 PM

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this channel's gone way more off topic before lmao

strange falcon Jun 10, 2022, 6:39 PM

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dense plover If you can do it later, why do it now?

Could do it the "do it now, or else we'll put it back in the game 2 expacs from now" it is FOMO, but its not permanent fomo

strange falcon Jun 10, 2022, 6:41 PM

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dense plover If everyone has the special thing, it isn’t special

While mostly true, some items are still status symbols, like ashes or invincible mounts

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 6:53 PM

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rain cave if you want to prove you're an OG

This though

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My reaction though when someone gets a mount I got back when the content was current is really more of "Sweet! I'm glad you got the mount you wanted!" rather than "Lol I got that mount back in <insert time period here>.".

rain cave Jun 10, 2022, 7:00 PM

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also yeah as peach said, you can't replicate nostalgia special

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so just by experiencing it when it was "current"

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you have a bond with others over that

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memories/experience make things special

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not its scarcity

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:11 PM

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dense plover If you can do it later, why do it now?

Mythic raiding and one shooting things expac later

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It doesn’t invalidate the rewards now.

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And mage tower rewards were invalidated when you could outgear it

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Which is what even I managed to do as a new player

nocturne totem Jun 10, 2022, 7:14 PM

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Even then, I'm fine with them making a Mythic last boss mount 100% drop when it is current then making it another 1% after.

ember blaze Jun 10, 2022, 7:15 PM

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Like , if you could get it when it was current then you had that exclusivity

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Idc if someone is running around with it years later when everyone forgot about the content

deep pawn Jun 11, 2022, 12:43 AM

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Well rip, nothing this week eh?

dense plover Jun 11, 2022, 12:46 AM

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deep pawn Well rip, nothing this week eh?

Seems that way

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😞

cunning fossil Jun 11, 2022, 1:31 AM

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F

uncut vault Jun 11, 2022, 2:10 AM

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its weird cause going by the shadowlands first encrypted build/internal alpha releases, we might only be a few weeks away from the first public build

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but I figured they wanted to get the talent trees out before then

upper pasture Jun 11, 2022, 2:21 AM

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a few weeks is still plenty of time for them to drop talent trees on us

uncut vault Jun 11, 2022, 3:30 AM

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Not at the current pace 😛

rain cave Jun 11, 2022, 11:04 AM

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they could still drop a talent tree over the weekend couldn't they?

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also druid has 4 specs

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and is probably more complicated to talent tree for anyway

cunning fossil Jun 12, 2022, 1:09 AM

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Nothing I guess

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Wierd

subtle oar Jun 12, 2022, 1:11 AM

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I hope yhe BM hunter tree is genuinely exciting

cunning fossil Jun 12, 2022, 1:31 AM

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Same

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I want many beast summons

subtle oar Jun 12, 2022, 1:35 AM

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Eh, I've never been a fan of lots of sunmons

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Summons

cunning fossil Jun 12, 2022, 1:51 AM

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Coward

subtle oar Jun 12, 2022, 2:29 AM

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:<

deep pawn Jun 12, 2022, 7:23 PM

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Well OW2 got announcements on a sunday...

signal bone Jun 12, 2022, 11:00 PM

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so did d4, but these were expected

cunning fossil Jun 12, 2022, 11:25 PM

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The OW2 drop was a surprise I thinj

uncut lintel Jun 12, 2022, 11:27 PM

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what happened with OW2

subtle oar Jun 12, 2022, 11:47 PM

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uncut lintel what happened with OW2

Early access was announced

uncut lintel Jun 12, 2022, 11:48 PM

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me resisting to make an OW1 was already out joke

subtle oar Jun 13, 2022, 12:15 AM

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xDDDDDD

upper pasture Jun 13, 2022, 12:16 AM

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can't wait for the map pack to drop 😛

ember blaze Jun 13, 2022, 1:05 AM

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give more treeeessssss

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🎄

rain cave Jun 13, 2022, 1:18 AM

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upper pasture can't wait for the map pack to drop 😛

tbf they actually showed some more OW2 stuff

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like a lot of the heroes got remodels in the new trailer

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and new hero

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and they announced it being f2p or something

ember blaze Jun 13, 2022, 5:28 AM

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rain cave and they announced it being f2p or something

they said this ages ago

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PVe being locked behind paywall

strange falcon Jun 13, 2022, 6:10 AM

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ember blaze PVe being locked behind paywall

Given OW2 pvp is free, i dont really think just the pve content is worth the 40$ or 60$ pricetag, as mrpeach said, really hinges on how much there is

cunning fossil Jun 13, 2022, 6:22 AM

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I mean people pay gor call of duty and that game is Hella more P2W than OW is

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Like they will sell you the same game every year/2 years and make you pay full price

strange falcon Jun 13, 2022, 6:29 AM

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cunning fossil Like they will sell you the same game every year/2 years and make you pay full p...

Same for fifa or any sports games, it really isnt an argument for "this is worse so this other thing isnt bad"

Preying on your customer base being not informed is what corporations do best

cunning fossil Jun 13, 2022, 6:36 AM

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strange falcon Same for fifa or any sports games, it really isnt an argument for "this is worse...

The difference is that they don't come up with a new Overeatch every year daf

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I'm making those comparisons because in those games, you pay like 60 a year to keep up to date

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Overwatch? You'll get a good 4 years of the purchase

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And he'll, you don't even have to purchase it if u don't want PvP

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U still get updated graphics s and new heroes

strange falcon Jun 13, 2022, 6:39 AM

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Your argument would be correct for ow1, but mine is on the basis that the pve content isnt worth the pricetag

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Yet they're still gonna sell it at 40 or 60$

opaque pewter Jun 13, 2022, 6:09 PM

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The old model was pretty much unsustainable long-term. Fortnite and the likes is a strikes a good balance for most players and is likely how it will be approached for this one too.
Paid single player is not that bad. People are paying $80 for 8 hour games lately so the value proposition will change from player to player. I'm sure it's making the people loving the characters ecstatic at least

cunning fossil Jun 13, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Lore is good

dense plover Jun 13, 2022, 7:07 PM

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im ok paying for singleplayer if its good

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if its not good, i wont buy it

ember blaze Jun 13, 2022, 10:49 PM

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cunning fossil Like they will sell you the same game every year/2 years and make you pay full p...

CoD and Fifa players 😂

nocturne totem Jun 14, 2022, 12:05 AM

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What games are $80 bucks?

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Even the new $70 buck price tag is ridiculous

subtle oar Jun 14, 2022, 12:09 AM

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nocturne totem What games are $80 bucks?

Flame may be Canadian like me, where $60 games are 80

deep pawn Jun 14, 2022, 9:38 PM

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Where's the WoW news besides fresh wrath servers

subtle oar Jun 14, 2022, 9:42 PM

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There is none

cunning fossil Jun 14, 2022, 9:52 PM

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Lol got em

hollow hill Jun 14, 2022, 9:54 PM

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cunning fossil Lol got em

Whereareu?

cunning fossil Jun 14, 2022, 9:56 PM

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hollow hill Whereareu?

Here

dense plover Jun 14, 2022, 10:14 PM

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deep pawn Where's the WoW news besides fresh wrath servers

new 10.0 build on dev servers today

deep pawn Jun 14, 2022, 10:30 PM

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I need more talent trees

dense plover Jun 14, 2022, 10:35 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tulip sun Jun 14, 2022, 11:26 PM

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dense plover new 10.0 build on dev servers today

oooooh exciting o.o

cunning fossil Jun 14, 2022, 11:51 PM

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;-;

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When did Talent trees drop again?

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They might drop more than 2 at once this time

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Maybe 4??

rain cave Jun 15, 2022, 12:36 AM

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cunning fossil They might drop more than 2 at once this time

druid is 4 specs but also the one they used as an example

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I'd say druid is one of the more complicated ones overall

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bets on what classes they drop next?

cunning fossil Jun 15, 2022, 12:46 AM

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DH maybe

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Evokers will Def be last IMO

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 12:52 AM

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cunning fossil Evokers will Def be last IMO

https://tenor.com/view/wongrande-gif-24458192

cunning fossil Jun 15, 2022, 12:56 AM

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ember blaze https://tenor.com/view/wongrande-gif-24458192

It didn't work friendo

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 12:56 AM

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discord problem

cunning fossil Jun 15, 2022, 12:56 AM

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I got so excited for a minute bug nah I got fucked but wow head

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Still didn't work fams

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 1:15 AM

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They need to drop DH and Monk together

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Since they both never had talent trees

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And evoker - we won’t see the tree until we have a full class preview

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Because talents mean nothing if you don’t have a rotation

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And since they start at level 58, they will have a much smaller tree

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Or they might have some weird medium sized tree part of which you allocate during the intro, idk

cunning fossil Jun 15, 2022, 1:20 AM

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Oh yeah that's why I said they'd be last

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 1:39 AM

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they could get extra points through quests in the intro 🤔

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 1:42 AM

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dense plover Or they might have some weird medium sized tree part of which you allocate durin...

Dk earned talents as they did their starting quests.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 1:43 AM

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deep pawn Dk earned talents as they did their starting quests.

yeah but they arent going to give 60 levels of talents in 2 levels

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they could do like 10 or something

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 2:03 AM

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dense plover yeah but they arent going to give 60 levels of talents in 2 levels

and why not?

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 2:05 AM

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because how do you design 70+ talents for a new class

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 2:08 AM

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why can't you

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 2:17 AM

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they'll just put the same core rotational abilities in like every other class

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 2:45 AM

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deep pawn they'll just put the same core rotational abilities in like every other class

except a bunch of the talents we have seen are old legendaries, artifact talents, or covenant abilities - things that evoker has none of

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 3:20 AM

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considering theyre arriving in pre patch, theyre gonna need covenant abilities

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 3:20 AM

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nah, they won't

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 3:20 AM

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?

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 3:21 AM

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they've already said that any covenant abilities and those that exist in talents won't stack

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 3:21 AM

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ok. They still need covenants

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 3:28 AM

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I mean, not really? The covenant abilities will probably get disabled in the prepatch akin to Legion artifacts.

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Maybe even legendary effects will get disabled, but I doubt it.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:34 AM

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ember blaze ok. They still need covenants

why would they need them? they cant level in shadowlands

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 4:35 AM

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well, they will still be available in the pre patch

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so are they just supposed to have no access to anything when they go live

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:36 AM

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Or they could just take everything away from the others, with the talent revamp replacing it.

ember blaze Jun 15, 2022, 4:36 AM

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🤷‍♂️

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:43 AM

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theyre going to take them away

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probably once you hit 60 or something

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theyre not going to invent covenant abilities for a class that never canonically goes to SLs and probably cant even pick up the quests since you need a level 60 character to make one

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:45 AM

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That being said, they will probably have to be able to do things every other class can. Like the Mage Tower.

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Maybe they can get some better customization that way.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:46 AM

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glass flicker That being said, they will probably have to be able to do things every other cla...

theyre not going to add an artifact weapon for a class that is focused on using their claws as a weapon

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do they even have a weapon type?

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:47 AM

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They do.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:47 AM

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what is it?

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:47 AM

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Swords, axes, maces, fist weapons, staves and offhands.

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I think also polearms?

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https://www.wowhead.com/guides/dracthyr-evoker-class-overview#:~:text=Evokers will be able to,Axes and One-Handed Maces.

Wowhead

Dracthyr Evoker Class Overview in Dragonflight

Overview of the upcoming Evoker class in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, including information on specs, known abilities and leveling experience.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:48 AM

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ok - i still dont think theyre going to add a mage tower for it - mage tower is tier 20 recolor

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theyre not going to add old armor for a new class

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DH doesnt have T8 class sets for example

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 4:48 AM

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youre right

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:48 AM

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True. But it wouldn't hurt to add a new skin tone or something for doing it.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:48 AM

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it doesnt even have a WoD set

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they wont

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mage tower is a challenge for existing characters - evoker is a hero class

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you need a level 60

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a level 60 who can do mage tower timewalking

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not to mention there is no mage tower challenge for it

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since those are class specific (ish)

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:50 AM

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They can just have them do a random one most suitable for the kit. Classes have changed and broke since Legion, and they're still letting us play them.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:51 AM

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glass flicker They can just have them do a random one most suitable for the kit. Classes have ...

they went back through and rebalanced them

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they wont have mage tower support

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:51 AM

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We won't know until they're out.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:51 AM

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hero classes dont get backdated support

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its never happened

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sometimes they get rewards where it makes sense for weapons and such

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:51 AM

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What do you mean?

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:51 AM

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like black temple

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where DHs can get warglaive version of an existing weapon

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but its the same weapon just tagged as a different weapon type

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its nearly no work

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:52 AM

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Death Knights and Demon Hunters got raid sets for the last raid's tier. DH got a Black Temple set that was basically the LFR set, but with a set bonus.

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DKs got a PvP set in TBC.

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It has happened twice.

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Wait, not Black Temple.

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Hellfire Citadel LFR.

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Brain lag.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:53 AM

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glass flicker DKs got a PvP set in TBC.

DKs had to level through TBC

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:53 AM

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glass flicker Hellfire Citadel LFR.

pretty sure its literally the same LFR leather set

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:53 AM

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It is but it had a set bonus.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:53 AM

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a set bonus =/= a unique reward

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and did it?

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:54 AM

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Yes.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:54 AM

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i dont remember that considering WoD set bonuses stopped working in prepatch

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are you sure youre not confusing the prepatch armor with LFR armor?

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pretty sure there was a DH prepatch set that had a set bonus

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but not LFR armor

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:55 AM

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I just remember it being DH specific and looking like the LFR set.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:55 AM

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glass flicker I just remember it being DH specific and looking like the LFR set.

yeah im pretty sure that was a prepatch set

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not something added to an old raid

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:56 AM

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So yes, they have added new things to accommodate new classes.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 4:56 AM

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glass flicker So yes, they have added new things to accommodate new classes.

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No vendor WotLK gear for DH!

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:57 AM

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glass flicker So yes, they have added new things to accommodate new classes.

the only thing that matches what you said is the DK armor in TBC (a long fucking time ago) and that is 100% because they had to level through TBC, something that is not true for timewalking or covenant powers for evoker since they dont get out in the world until level 60

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why add a new class and race and then immediately lock customization behind a temporary event?

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thats a terrible idea

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:58 AM

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Temporary? Since when is the mage tower temporary?

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:58 AM

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its only available during legion timewalking isnt it?

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 4:58 AM

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Not anymore.

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You can go do it right now, even.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 4:58 AM

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oh

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huh

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TIL

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i thought they only extended the availability

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:02 AM

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Nah, they lifted that restriction.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:03 AM

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dense plover theyre not going to add an artifact weapon for a class that is focused on using ...

feral druid intensifies

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:03 AM

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So, imo, Mage Tower should be like the Brawler's Guild. Where they could add new rewards each expansion.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:03 AM

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glass flicker So, imo, Mage Tower should be like the Brawler's Guild. Where they could add new...

What are you talking about ? I believe you are mistaken. There is no such thing

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:04 AM

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No such thing as what?

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Hope?

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Read what I said until you understand it.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:05 AM

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You are mistaken sir there is nothing here go take the tram and be on your way

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:05 AM

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A fair argument, however, were we in Azeroth this expansion? No. Opinion invalidated.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 5:06 AM

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glass flicker So, imo, Mage Tower should be like the Brawler's Guild. Where they could add new...

or they could bring back brawlers guild

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because they should

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:06 AM

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Yes.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 5:06 AM

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deep ledge feral druid intensifies

?? im confused what you mean

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:06 AM

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dense plover ?? im confused what you mean

They only added a bear form, leaving the other specs excluded.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:07 AM

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no that is not at all what i mean

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:07 AM

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dense plover because they should

I'm just saying. Have both Brawler's Guild and the Mage Tower with cool single-player collectibles for hard content.

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:07 AM

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feral druids claw and bite people yet they were given an artifact weapon

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 5:07 AM

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deep ledge feral druids claw and bite people yet they were given an artifact weapon

wut

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are you a troll?

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:08 AM

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i play worgen

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glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:08 AM

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Are you a memer?

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 5:08 AM

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glass flicker Are you a memer?

seems like it

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im just gonna ignore them if theyre not actually here to contribute

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 5:08 AM

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i am a member of wowhead discord server with id 107362567793422336

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 5:44 AM

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Ugh.

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 5:46 AM

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i blocked them

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its easier that way

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 5:49 AM

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df on ptr?

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:24 AM

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glossy moon df on ptr?

lol no - it wont go on ptr until prepatch is getting ready.

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its not even in alpha yet

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prepatch in dec or jan - expac in feb or march

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:24 AM

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wow really

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:24 AM

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which means ptr in oct or nov

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yes really'

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:24 AM

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\

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:24 AM

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expac announcement is usually around 10-13 months before release

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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i see

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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alpha should be starting soonish tho

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so we will get news and stuff

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hopefully within the next few weeks

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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cause not sure whats gonna be happening on live for 13 months

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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glossy moon cause not sure whats gonna be happening on live for 13 months

fuck all

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as always

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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exactly

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:25 AM

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thats how it works

glossy moon Jun 15, 2022, 6:26 AM

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never considred it was that long lol

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 6:26 AM

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always

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sometimes longer

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for example - 8.3.5 was Nov 23 2020, and 9.0 prepatch was october 13th - 11 months.

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7.3.5 -> 8.0 prepatch was only 8 months, that one was very short

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ok i take that back

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WoD to Legion and Legion to BfA were both 8 months

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but i expect SLs to BfA to be on the longer side

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which is why i expect prepatch in late nov or early dec

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BUT - 9.2.5 was May 31st, so Dec would actually only be 7 months, so it might even be january

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 6:42 AM

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That's a reasonable timeframe.

ivory meadow Jun 15, 2022, 7:08 AM

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dense plover hopefully within the next few weeks

That blog coming soon might have alpha details and other stuff about DF as well considering the screenshot posted is from one of the zones

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 7:46 AM

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ivory meadow That blog coming soon might have alpha details and other stuff about DF as well ...

Blog coming soon? Where did you hear that?

ivory meadow Jun 15, 2022, 8:00 AM

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dense plover Blog coming soon? Where did you hear that?

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1534302691693821952?s=20&t=V3_3sYKyQ-33GSxu8JTHhw

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

We'll be featuring some of your screenshots in our upcoming blog!

Share your best shot of the week using #WoWShare 📸

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did I miss something or did it already happen

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hopefully, i'm not being a dumbass

plain violet Jun 15, 2022, 8:13 AM

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ivory meadow did I miss something or did it already happen

I think the screenshot is just Shadowmoon Valley in botani area

ivory meadow Jun 15, 2022, 8:14 AM

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...

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Let me go check.

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yep.

plain violet Jun 15, 2022, 8:14 AM

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At least the monsters are from this zone, the trees too..

ivory meadow Jun 15, 2022, 8:14 AM

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I'm a dumbass

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 8:15 AM

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The Botani should have gotten a raid, change my mind.

plain violet Jun 15, 2022, 8:15 AM

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No no I can understand Wayward, the sceeenshot is way different that what we can imagine by WoW.

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Agreed.

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 8:15 AM

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Imagine WoD with six raids.

ivory meadow Jun 15, 2022, 8:16 AM

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plain violet No no I can understand Wayward, the sceeenshot is way different that what we can...

yeah definitely.

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 8:16 AM

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Highmaul, Blackrock Foundry, Siege of Shattrath, Shadowmoon Burial Grounds (as it should have been) the Botani raid and Hellfire Citadel.

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Could'a been cool.

plain violet Jun 15, 2022, 8:26 AM

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And amazing for screenshots and transmogs...

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 8:27 AM

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Hm?

plain violet Jun 15, 2022, 9:58 AM

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I mean, the raids would surely have great sets and places to see. :)

glass flicker Jun 15, 2022, 10:08 AM

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Yeah, I see them in a different order, though.

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1 Highmaul
2 Botani
3 Siege of Shattrath
4 Blackrock Foundry
5 Burial Grounds
6 Hellfire Citadel

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It could easily lead from one another lorewise, too.

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We do Highmaul and get concerned with the bog monsters we see, so we investigate the Botani. The Botani have plans of extending the Everbloom into Talador, making us go to Shattrath. Shattrath is under Siege by the Iron Horde. We go to Gorgrond to beat the lava out of Blackhand's neck brace, and he points us to Ner'zhul being a threat now that nobody can check on him, with Gul'dan not caring. So we go kill Ner'zhul and then all we have left to deal with is Gul'dan.

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That's just a rough draft.

rain cave Jun 15, 2022, 11:43 AM

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glass flicker 1 Highmaul 2 Botani 3 Siege of Shattrath 4 Blackrock Foundry 5 Burial Grounds 6 ...

I don't think burial grounds was gonna be a raid

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there was the cut ogre island

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that was the progenitor for netherstorm

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but idk if that's meant to be where highmaul was going to be or what

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 7:15 PM

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As far as we've gathered, they cut faralohn and then claimed Ashran was it instead. They cut plans for their original capitals and went with the camps on Ashran

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They most obviously cut the Shattrath raid.

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They had bigger plans for Kargath before just having him die in Highmaul.

strange falcon Jun 15, 2022, 7:55 PM

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deep pawn As far as we've gathered, they cut faralohn and then claimed Ashran was it inste...

The hirumared video is a good compilation of what was cut

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As for the original plans for WoD, it was supposed to be "back in time azeroth" not outlands, featuring murlocs as playable, using the massive hourglass in the endtime dungeon as the plot device to go there.

Then they scrapped it and started work on wod, ogres were considered as playable for the 3rd time

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Ogres aren’t going to happen

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They’ve made new races and gone back to ogres so many times that at this point it will never happen

tulip sun Jun 15, 2022, 8:08 PM

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I hope eventually they do.

deep pawn Jun 15, 2022, 8:24 PM

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Can just reskin kul tirans

cunning fossil Jun 15, 2022, 9:01 PM

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No

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 9:05 PM

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deep pawn Can just reskin kul tirans

Not really - proportions are different

subtle oar Jun 15, 2022, 9:07 PM

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Very different

rain cave Jun 15, 2022, 10:16 PM

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they could use the kultiran skeleton as a base for the half ogre half orcs like rexxar

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I could see that working

deep ledge Jun 15, 2022, 10:27 PM

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this one is fine and he looks dapper

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very gentlemanly 10/10 would take out to a club

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in dalaran

tulip sun Jun 15, 2022, 10:49 PM

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Thats Mok'nathal tho

dense plover Jun 15, 2022, 11:15 PM

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They’re imo more likely but since they didn’t happen in warlords, they probably won’t happen unless we go back to Outland

rain cave Jun 15, 2022, 11:42 PM

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deep ledge this one is fine and he looks dapper

that looks quite similar to the kultiran skeleton

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bro it is the kultiran skeleton

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lmao

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rexxar already uses kultiran animations

deep ledge Jun 16, 2022, 12:03 AM

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looks very different

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hard to tell because of his helmet

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but the stomach is def diff

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looks like the arm is too

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kul tirans are built with just circles

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like an inflated balloon

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the female model isnt so terrifying but this dude is bigger than shrek

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ogre of the seas

tulip sun Jun 16, 2022, 12:52 AM

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Im pretty sure Rexxar's model is based on the kultiran skeleton

subtle oar Jun 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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No

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The Kul-tiran model is brand new.

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The reason they kept pushing back kultirans was because the skeleton that had to crete for it

glass flicker Jun 16, 2022, 2:35 AM

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Well, they do use some animations from existing races, already.

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Such as the kick. It's identical to human males.

rain cave Jun 16, 2022, 3:08 AM

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subtle oar The Kul-tiran model is brand new.

Rexxar got a new model in bfa

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That shares the skeleton with kultiran males

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This is a fact

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And so seeing a mok nathal race on kultiran skeleton wouldn't surprise me

glass flicker Jun 16, 2022, 3:49 AM

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Some Mawsworn also use the Kul Tiran skeleton.

deep pawn Jun 16, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Some of the big fighters in Maldraxxus use the female kul Tiran skeleton

glass flicker Jun 16, 2022, 7:21 AM

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Yup.

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Chonky.

cunning fossil Jun 16, 2022, 9:19 PM

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Bro wtf it's been 2 weeks since the OG talent trees were released

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Where the hell are they

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I'm getting impatiently Gimmmeeee

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no DF news for a whole 2 weeks is killing me ;-;

dense plover Jun 16, 2022, 10:25 PM

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This is part of why I don’t see DF coming this year

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It’s too soon

rain cave Jun 16, 2022, 10:33 PM

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dense plover It’s too soon

too soon executus

cunning fossil Jun 16, 2022, 10:34 PM

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Oh I had no doubts that DF is a 2023 reease

upper pasture Jun 16, 2022, 10:50 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ragnaros-wow-lava-gif-15693465

Tenor

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 1:23 AM

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I've always been on march 2023. But I want a bit more than a 6 months alpha/beta cycle so I want alpha to start asap

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We're only 8 months away from February

dense plover Jun 17, 2022, 1:28 AM

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Yeah March is looking less likely the longer we go without alpha

ivory meadow Jun 17, 2022, 3:14 AM

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Mhm.

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 10:04 AM

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I don't think we can survive a year on this patch

upper pasture Jun 17, 2022, 10:07 AM

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9 months then a prepatch seems reasonable but that depends all on how the alpha/beta goes

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 10:08 AM

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March will be a year of 9.2 is what I meant.

upper pasture Jun 17, 2022, 10:09 AM

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yeah but season 4 is shaking up M+/raiding content so it really won't be a year of "no content"

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 10:10 AM

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Haven't seen many raiders that excited

upper pasture Jun 17, 2022, 10:10 AM

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i'm pretty excited for the M+ change but ill do the raids at least once but also you gotta look at the people complaining too.

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 10:11 AM

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I know my plan is ksm, and then the bare minimum to get the slime cat.

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And then it's unsubscribe til prepatch

strange falcon Jun 17, 2022, 10:13 AM

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deep pawn I don't think we can survive a year on this patch

What do you mean, we've already done that 2 times if not more,
1 being MoP siege of orgrimmar, the 2nd being WoD hellfire citadel

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A specific subset of the remaining wow playerbase is very specifically vetted, they wont unsub ever unless the servers shut down

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 10:20 AM

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MoP people barely tolerated, WoD permanently harmed the reputation.

strange falcon Jun 17, 2022, 10:21 AM

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If WoD permanently harmed the reputation idk what bfa and SL did 😂

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You just reminded me of the meme about "damn the jailer is so powerful he broke the 4th wall and thanos snapped the wow playerbase"

upper pasture Jun 17, 2022, 10:30 AM

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i mean tbh MoP is what killed my TBC guild then even i unsubbed in WoD. only to come back when i was gifted $100 currency and 3 years of sub time and an active group of people already playing

strange falcon Jun 17, 2022, 10:33 AM

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Thats a really generous gift 👀
Such a big gift could be considered as corruption

upper pasture Jun 17, 2022, 10:33 AM

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you can see it however you'd like.

deep pawn Jun 17, 2022, 11:09 AM

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Haven't ran a key in weeks

ember blaze Jun 17, 2022, 10:40 PM

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ive logged in to repost my AH

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 3:07 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/dragonflight-talent-calc/AABOQBCQFQMAYhQFSxFRQBEABILWJRVqZlAGAQBQ

Wowhead

Dragonflight Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Talent Calculator for World of Warcraft Dragonflight. Theorycraft, plan, and share your character builds.

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GOt myself a Goldrinn Build

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IT should be the "Single Target" version of Boom I think

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yes I use New Moon, Yes I know no one else uses New Moon

dense plover Jun 18, 2022, 4:40 AM

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cunning fossil yes I use New Moon, Yes I know no one else uses New Moon

i use new moon - lots of people use it for ST

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its fun too

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goldrinn is probably pretty bad tho

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we will need to see numbers to check but it wasnt super strong originally - just looked cool

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 6:14 AM

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Oh sweet

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 6:14 AM

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dense plover goldrinn is probably pretty bad tho

You hush. You simple don't spam starsurge enough

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I feel like it'll be very good for PVP too lmao

plain violet Jun 18, 2022, 3:02 PM

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I really I am interested by galactic guardian build, and the stygyzy build for balance.

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The idea of having an ultralaser with each cooldown...

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 3:33 PM

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Much excitement to be honest that'll be so cool

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:04 PM

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WTB Hunter Talents

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rooMadSlam

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:06 PM

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subtle oar WTB Hunter Talents

WTB Shaman Talents

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:18 PM

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subtle oar WTB Hunter Talents

LF Hunter Talents + Buffs

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and for Death Chakram to be an option for Hunters

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Because UGH it's so sariafying

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:23 PM

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I want serpent sting back on BM

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:23 PM

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bring back legion MM

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:23 PM

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rooMadSlam

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:24 PM

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I want my marked shot and sidewinders back

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😭

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best version of MM

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:24 PM

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Best MM want Vanilla MM

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:24 PM

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nahz

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legion

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:24 PM

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I liked MoP BM most

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:24 PM

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marked shot was some of the mos fun I've had

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if not the most fun

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at times

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like skorpyron

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with sidewinders

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fuuuuckck

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:29 PM

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rain cave bring back legion MM

Ehhh I like BFA MM ngl.

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Legion actually put me off it

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:30 PM

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I stopped playing a week into BfA originally because of how shit MM felt to me

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:30 PM

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That's fair enough. I just like BFA Mm Feeling way more straight forward

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:31 PM

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idk it just felt like there was no goal to the spec

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you just had buttons you spammed

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whereas legion was like

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mark people and then let loose

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like loading a bullet and shooting

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a kind of bolt action playstyle

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:31 PM

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Sidewinder and Marked shot were too complicated I think

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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didn't even need sidewinder

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it was just multishot

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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I guess that's fair but meh pursonanlly

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A way too complicated version IMO

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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I'm just sad they ditched it entirely

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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But I getcha

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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it's not even an option

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 4:32 PM

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Different strokes for different folks

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I wonder how many people played MM during legion

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And then compare that to BFA

subtle oar Jun 18, 2022, 4:57 PM

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Legion MM feeled and played so bad

rain cave Jun 18, 2022, 5:33 PM

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subtle oar Legion MM feeled and played so bad

what makes you say that

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I loved it to pieces

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favourite spec ever

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 5:46 PM

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I remember so little of the playstyle because I barely touched my hunter during Legion

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And it was my main for a time

uncut vault Jun 18, 2022, 5:49 PM

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I enjoy both legion and BfA MM, but for me Legion was just far more satisfying

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Because it had an impactful payoff at the end of the rotation

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Plus the animations were just way better

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MM very much is tied with BM for the lamest animations in WoW atm

cosmic beacon Jun 18, 2022, 6:15 PM

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Shoot bow, shoot bow harder, shoot bow faster

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Shoot bow a lot very fast

cunning fossil Jun 18, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Fair points

ember blaze Jun 19, 2022, 12:40 AM

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would people dislike cool charge mechanics on hunter?

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https://tenor.com/view/aim-dragons-dogma-magical-arrow-glowing-magic-gif-18258017

Tenor

subtle oar Jun 19, 2022, 12:50 AM

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I wouldnt if it was on my Kill Command as it was commanding my beast to charge its KC

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If it made KC the hard hitting ability it is SUPOSED TO BE, i'd like it

urban spire Jun 19, 2022, 1:31 AM

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I think charge up is situational

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but I think this is a trial run for blizzard

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its a way for them to use something as a test bed

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because if people really like it

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who's to say they dont go through and make some core abilities, with feedback of course if its bad or good, and change them to be charge ups

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like aimed shot

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or star surge

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like there are a ton of abilities they could give that treatment, and it would be a great way to modernize the game

ember blaze Jun 19, 2022, 5:58 AM

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yeah that would be cool

ember blaze Jun 19, 2022, 10:02 AM

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inland elm Jun 19, 2022, 10:53 AM

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ember blaze

What is This ? A Druide Form ?

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 10:58 AM

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ember blaze

More news Inc?

ember blaze Jun 19, 2022, 11:27 AM

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@rain cave@inland elm was posted on reddit. Seems like a ton of people missed this being shown on the reveal.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 11:28 AM

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ember blaze <@313130762964828161><@192623182539128832> was posted on reddit. Seems like a to...

which reveal

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the original one?

ember blaze Jun 19, 2022, 11:29 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/vf9bpm/about_the_new_random_dragon_model_not_a_fan_tbh/

r/wow - About the new random dragon model.... not a fan tbh.

848 votes and 454 comments so far on Reddit

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someone links to these

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rip

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rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 11:32 AM

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I mean its just a high res version of the older dragon models

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lol

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in the modern WoW style

uncut vault Jun 19, 2022, 2:40 PM

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Wings are the only thing that are really off for me

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Too smooth and monotone compared to the body, they need to have a bit more transparency and different color like the vanilla ones do

upper pasture Jun 19, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Is this the preorder mount? Remember those files? I wonder if the preorder “mount” will be a dragon riding skin

strange falcon Jun 19, 2022, 2:48 PM

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On a more indepth look, i agree with porter, the wings look like a flat texture that makes them look like playdoh

uncut vault Jun 19, 2022, 2:48 PM

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That one in particular is not, it was just a random shot from the reveal stream

dense plover Jun 19, 2022, 3:26 PM

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textures probably arent done

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i imagine the wings will get more detail

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either that or youtube compression ruined it

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 4:59 PM

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I find it funny how the front legs look like buff arms

urban spire Jun 19, 2022, 5:32 PM

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and you have to think

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if there are gonna be a ton of different head types and body types, wings, tails, etc, for mounts, I would be my life savings they're gonna have all sorts of different looking dragons even within flights

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this day and age it makes sense for each dragon character to have a more distinct look from one another

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:06 PM

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Blizzard for whatever reason has changed it's art style

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Most clearly seen in the 9.2 cinematics with the playdoh hair.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:16 PM

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deep pawn Most clearly seen in the 9.2 cinematics with the playdoh hair.

I'd say it's more like bridging the gap between the higher fidelity cinematics with gameplay graphics

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since 9.2 is when these new cinematic types also popped up

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it's interesting

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I think they're trying to lean into a more riot games filter over the WoW artstyle as well as trying to show vanilla WoW things

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like a change/evolution in artstyle on top of older things will always be jarring

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since we can directly compare

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:18 PM

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they're removing anything that looks detailed at all feels like

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:18 PM

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I will say that the 9.2 sylvanas and uther cinematic did kind of give me NSFW SFM animation vibes

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however that's probably just from the initial shock of the change, mostly

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I'm interested to see where they go

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tbh a simpler artstyle could be the way to go in some regards, compared to other things

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:19 PM

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noooo

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Why so mean Watcher bot. 😄

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:19 PM

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👀

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:19 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wREeahXw1Q vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay0kAVRyyok (Is this better Watcher?)

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Like I can't get over noodle hair

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It feels like a 2000s kid show with early cgi

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:21 PM

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tbf

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these aren't too dissimilar

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sylvanas just has more strands because longer hair

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I reckon it's because jaina has a specific look

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the hair strands loose on her are more like bits out of her braid, imperfections

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so they work with simpler basically 2d bits coming out

nocturne totem Jun 19, 2022, 8:22 PM

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rain cave I will say that the 9.2 sylvanas and uther cinematic did kind of give me NSFW SF...

LOL I totally see this

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:23 PM

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nocturne totem LOL I totally see this

lmao not just me and my friend then

nocturne totem Jun 19, 2022, 8:23 PM

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Throw in a little Fortnite too

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:23 PM

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I think the uther and sylvanas thing also have the high saturation and vibrance

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because dream sequence

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it's a bit weird

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like it's not bad it's just strange to experience while we're in the artstyle transition, to me at least

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:23 PM

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Sylvanas has 0 highlight or texture to make the clumps look like strands of hair unlike Derek or Jaina

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:24 PM

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isn't that just because sylvanas is like

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:24 PM

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Her eyebrows have more detail than her hair.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:24 PM

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exceedingly blonde

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the eyebrows are probably lifted from some base model for sylvanas just recoloured

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:24 PM

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even exceedingly blond you can see strands of hair.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:24 PM

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whereas the hair was probably redone for the cinematic in the new style

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:25 PM

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Like yeah if you wanna go look like a lego movie or early 00s kids show, sure, but it doesn't look good to me.

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I don't know if the Uther model they used was brand new, but he looks alright still

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:26 PM

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it's new

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the human version

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anduin has this style in his cinematic model too though

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noodles on the front

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I think it's just because sylvanas has like bleach pale blonde hair

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and the bloom/brightness in the dream sequence is really high

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so it just bleeds over the detail makes it look smooth

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:27 PM

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try to make it look like hair is all I want, not like you pushed playdoh through one of those squiggly molds.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:27 PM

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I guess also we never usually see the top hair of sylvanas

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like her fringe hair

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like everywhere else we usually only see the side hair bit

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and her fringe is covered by the hood

deep pawn Jun 19, 2022, 8:28 PM

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the screen cap they use is another example, you can see the strands on top, but people's hair doesn't fall like that.

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 8:28 PM

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burshed back

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so yeah best guess is they wanted to show that part of her hair for one eason or another

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they had a base cinematic model for sylvanas that needed redoing into ranger general preundead

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hence the eyebrows retaining the texture detail

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and they just had to add stuff where there wasn't things prior, combined with the dreamy filter over everything and the bleached blonde hair

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like anduins fringe noodles work because we know what his ingame hair is and what it stand in for

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whereas sylvanas doesn't have that

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never thought I'd be discussing fringe noodles

dense plover Jun 19, 2022, 10:06 PM

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i mean - the IGC models are the same as the rendered ones typically

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or only slightly modified

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its just that they dont have point by point animation for everything, especially environment stuff

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its mainly just them using custom animation sequences for the models (i think) and then custom animation for lip movement

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theyre MUCH MUCH faster to produce than the rendered ones but are nearly the same quality

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which means we can expect way more cinematics going forward

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which is great

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ill take weird noodle hair if it means great cinematics more frequently

rain cave Jun 19, 2022, 11:03 PM

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@dense plover when I talk about cinematics I usually try to keep the rendered ones referring to the big CGI things

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But I'm not sure how to refer to the other ones

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There's in-game using cinematic models, then there's cutscenes I guess

nocturne totem Jun 19, 2022, 11:10 PM

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In-game and pre-rendered maybe idk

dense plover Jun 19, 2022, 11:16 PM

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There’s rendered cutscenes and there’s CGI

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Rendered are the ones like what we got for dark shore

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CGI is CGI

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It’s not a rendered in game model

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Or In game derived model

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These new ones aren’t rendered - they use the render type models in engine

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So they’re much faster to produce

opaque pewter Jun 20, 2022, 12:04 AM

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I guess you can differentiate them by style: npr vs. semi-realistic
In any case, they're both pre-rendered

dense plover Jun 20, 2022, 12:44 AM

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Generally in the past we have referred to the non-cgi cinematics as rendered, the CGI as CGI and the ingame as ingame

rain cave Jun 20, 2022, 1:09 AM

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I mean, technically the big CGI ones would be rendered

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because the non-cgi ones can basically be done in realtime rendering

opaque pewter Jun 20, 2022, 1:53 AM

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It's all mislabeling though lol. We have proper vocabulary for that

cunning fossil Jun 20, 2022, 11:40 PM

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lmao they are just going wild with these nerfs

ember blaze Jun 21, 2022, 12:47 AM

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🤷‍♂️

urban spire Jun 21, 2022, 1:18 AM

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maybe to get people to try the mythic encounters a little more

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I think its pretty sweet, might actually try to do some mythic before the season end

ember blaze Jun 21, 2022, 1:51 AM

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I qd as tank in LFR for jailer, and his autos were doing like 20k dmg per hit tettlesW

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:12 PM

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DF preorders are up well, that's something

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UHHHH preorder date?

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THIS YEAR?

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:19 PM

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@dense plover i heard your thoughts about a dragonflight release in 2022
guess what, your fears became true to your dismay

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people know my thoughts on the matter, so i dont think it's necessary for me to repeat myself

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:21 PM

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i mean, this year might be "too soon" but we will only know when we get our hands on it so....while i agree their track record doesn't look good with releases but 🤷‍♂️ time will tell i suppose

vernal juniper Jun 21, 2022, 5:22 PM

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the leaker who leaked dragonflight said in the original leak, wtlk september, dragondlight november

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:23 PM

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if so that's crazy. well here's to hoping everything goes well

pliant plank Jun 21, 2022, 5:24 PM

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I might sound wild but
That a little bit too soon

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:24 PM

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we also went "here's to hoping everything goes well" and it really didnt, both for bfa and sl

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:25 PM

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Rushed release so Kotick gets a few more bucks.

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I'm calling it.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:25 PM

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time will tell but the track record doesnt lie

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:26 PM

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i'm sure it's easy to sit on that side of the fence tho. ultimately why would you want to continue to be so sour about it. if it sucks great whatever, if its decent that's great. if its awesome that's even better.

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:28 PM

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Considering all expansions that added a new class were top tier, we wouldn't be wrong to assume DF will be bad. However, this rushed release puts a bad taste in my mouth.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:30 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645738078920507395/988856174751387678/unknown.png also wtf are these prices

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:31 PM

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What the fuckitty?

subtle oar Jun 21, 2022, 5:31 PM

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kek kek

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:33 PM

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No doubt, Mr. Kotick wants another bloody yacht.

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:33 PM

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with this preorder stuff popping up i wonder when/if we will see stuff about alpha/beta

dense plover Jun 21, 2022, 5:34 PM

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I have no idea how they’re committing to this date

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Alpha isn’t even available

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Either prepatch is gonna be short or “release” is the prepatch

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And actual expac release is later

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:36 PM

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Or they're just rushing it before Bobby leaves.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:37 PM

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the expac is 5months away and we dont even have an alpha, how you can anyone conceivably have hope it will be good and stable and working?

uncut vault Jun 21, 2022, 5:37 PM

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this kinda just feels like they're setting themselves up for another delay

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:37 PM

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they can surely surprise us, but where is the proof of this other than just chugging hopium

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:37 PM

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uncut vault this kinda just feels like they're setting themselves up for another delay

a delay of a month wont fix core issues like it didnt for SL

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and if they were already planning a delay longer than a month, why release the date now

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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strange falcon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645738078920507395/988856174751387678/unk...

this cant be accurate, mine were different

dense plover Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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Or again - it’s the release date for prepatch

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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ohhh

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yours was all games

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like

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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crimson jasper this cant be accurate, mine were different

i've been informed its due to different countries having their price adjusted

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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base game + SL?

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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strange falcon i've been informed its due to different countries having their price adjusted

oh true

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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but also that

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM

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yea I just saw your post and was like

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wait wtf xD

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:39 PM

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dense plover Or again - it’s the release date for prepatch

peach in the denial phase

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poggers

dense plover Jun 21, 2022, 5:39 PM

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I mean - it’s possible alpha is actually far along and we will see when we get the first visible build

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But idk

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Seems too soon

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:42 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

Tenor

Hello I like money

▶ Play video

uncut vault Jun 21, 2022, 5:43 PM

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that alpha is gonna need to be really far along to justify less than 6 months of testing

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probably less than 5, considering prepatch

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and that's not even taking into account that this isnt just a new expansion of testing, it's also testing every class getting fundamental changes to their design via the new talents

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:44 PM

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even if it is actually far along, we have seen from countless COUNTLESS, almost 18yrs of PTRs

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that them alone cant do much

uncut vault Jun 21, 2022, 5:44 PM

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even Legion's wasn't this big, and they tested the expansion starting in 2015 lmao

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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it could very well be, that they saw the outpour of media presence for the dragonflight livestream, and said "nah guys we arent in danger, look at how much people are willing to buy our products again after being abused for 6+ years!"

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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hey they also added a new pets too! lil' Ursoc

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1539296199940907009?t=MFFJ3lXOSEqtERNrV1HaUQ&s=19

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

WoW Dragonflight will be releasing before the end of this year!

#Shadowlands #Warcraft

https://t.co/8tc73Bimoz

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848

Retweets

150

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This is bad right?

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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Oh gods.

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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Like

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:47 PM

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you are late WAI

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read up

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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yeah, we've been talking about it

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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I was doing a mid term lay off

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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WAI, you missed all of my Bobby's Yacht jokes.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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if i may repost this meme
which will become reality soon enough
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465984146657902613/987435478179540993/IMG_1919.jpg

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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That's the new store mount they should add btw.

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:48 PM

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So what does the pre order come with

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If anything?

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:49 PM

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Helm, mount, pets and Hearthstone.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:49 PM

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strange falcon <@117691857911152645> i heard your thoughts about a dragonflight release in 2022...

WAI, start from here if you want to see the whole talk

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:49 PM

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Typical biz

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:49 PM

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cunning fossil So what does the pre order come with

the lowest option also was bumped in price from 40 to 50, i've been told the other 2 options as well, but i never looked at them so i cant be sure

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:50 PM

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"Dragonflight is such a big expansion, we should bump the price up some more for the sake of it!"

cunning fossil Jun 21, 2022, 5:50 PM

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Wild shit

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What the fuck are they thinking

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Lmao

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:52 PM

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Greedy scum.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 5:52 PM

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cunning fossil What the fuck are they thinking

"man this will be entertaining" is what you see ppl say in every other discord i'm personally in,
everyone thought "they know they are on thin ice, they need this to be good" but apparently they didnt

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what a shame

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 5:52 PM

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Can't wait to play their game tho.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:03 PM

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we really dont know how far its along or ready

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if anything I'll be positive and hope it's gonna be good

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 6:03 PM

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shush don't tell them that

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:03 PM

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Apparently, I think... Ion(?) said it was pretty far along.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:03 PM

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I'd wager blizz is very aware that if they fuck up, the shitstorm will be unimaginable

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 6:04 PM

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crimson jasper I'd wager blizz is very aware that if they fuck up, the shitstorm will be unimag...

i mean, we have very very extensive evidence that they can be quite out of touch

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:08 PM

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still no reason to always be pessimistic

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I will be critical when things are unfinished etc

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but I will also be positive that my hobby is getting new stuff soon

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:12 PM

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crimson jasper still no reason to always be pessimistic

That's not being pessimistic.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:12 PM

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I aint even gonna join in in the topic tbh

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:12 PM

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that's having justified skepticism because of a developed pattern.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:12 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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guess I do what I want and still be excited to play new stuff^^

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:13 PM

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be positive if you want to, you do you, but don't dismiss what's been apparent in the past.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:13 PM

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dont see where I dismiss anything, literally said I will be critical if warranted

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but hey

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people always wanna instantly shut down anyone that isnt instantly on a hate train

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so hf with that^^

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:13 PM

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I'm not on a hate train though?

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:13 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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thing is, just because I am positive and looking forward to something, I dont need to have to "defend" my position against an ounslaught of people being "but but, we know all these bad things"

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literally

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I dont care

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I dont care about all the drama

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I fgot enough drama irl and with living

subtle oar Jun 21, 2022, 6:17 PM

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ivory meadow I'm not on a hate train though?

Don't bother with Shuja.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:17 PM

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so if I decide to set aside drama on a day off and play a game

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I do so

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:17 PM

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subtle oar Don't bother with Shuja.

tf is that supposed to mean?

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tho it nicely proves what I just said lol

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:19 PM

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crimson jasper thing is, just because I am positive and looking forward to something, I dont ne...

I'll admit "dismiss" wasn't the best choice of words and I apologize for that.

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:19 PM

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well anyways, think alpha should hit soon then?

ivory meadow Jun 21, 2022, 6:19 PM

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today.

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 6:19 PM

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that would be nice

crimson jasper Jun 21, 2022, 6:20 PM

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ivory meadow I'll admit "dismiss" wasn't the best choice of words and I apologize for that.

it's fine, and I really dont mind AND understand people being sceptical, it makes a lot of sense, tho as I said above I do mind always needing to pull out a gun as soon as I am of a different opinion and just wanna enjoy whats new ya know

rain cave Jun 21, 2022, 6:32 PM

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glass flicker That's the new store mount they should add btw.

once the microsoft deal goes through and bobby leaves

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I would love to see them just add a easter egg character called bobby by himself on a boat

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in like

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booty bay or something

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wearing those diamond encrusted sunglasses

glass flicker Jun 21, 2022, 6:33 PM

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Maybe a Kul Tiran male.

rain cave Jun 21, 2022, 6:33 PM

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nah goblin

upper pasture Jun 21, 2022, 6:33 PM

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i'd rather not have him put in the game and immortalized forever

subtle oar Jun 21, 2022, 6:34 PM

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upper pasture i'd rather not have him put in the game and immortalized forever

He already is. Gallywix.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2022, 6:34 PM

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rain cave once the microsoft deal goes through and bobby leaves

im already seeing """people""" if you can even call them that, arguing on the forums that microsoft forced them to release it now, when the merger isnt even happening for a year

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😂

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