considering the quest is like "here take this gift" and then there's nothing
#beta-ptr-spoilers
rain cave
glass flicker
Do you have to do the quest on a hunter for the set to unlock?
glass flicker
Maybe. I'll try it.
worthy tartan
so happy for more light on lillian voss...
glass flicker
I like her. But she should get a new model.
Vereesa, too.
They're important characters that haven't gotten redesigned in ages.
Well, I guess Lillian got the BfA warfront set. But it's not enough.
And how come didn't give Thas'dorah back to Alleria?
So many questions.
subtle oar
DH pandas first
subtle oar
subtle oar
Panda druid first. Screw DH, they're lame.
BIG TRUE
subtle oar
glass flicker
But I can tell they're the Miststalker Grasps texture.
Ohh, I've got artwork of my PC.
You're a roleplayer, right Bai?
subtle oar
Ye
glass flicker
I'll send you some in DMs.
nocturne totem
You right you right. Panda DH first.
uncut lintel
RED PANDA DRUID AND WHEN U TAUNT U STAND UP LIKE RED PANDAS IRL
glass flicker
I mean.
crimson jasper
glass flicker
Pandaren Druid:
Cat form - red panda
Bear form - panda.
Travel form - quick panda
Moonkin form - fat bird with panda marks.
subtle oar
XD
rain cave
Pandaren Druid:
Cat form - red panda
Bear form - panda.
Travel form - quick pand...
what about orc druids tho
bruh orcs have almost no body hair
imagine they just have normalish slightly orcified forms
but they only retrain some beard hair
bald cat form with orc tusks and chin strap mane
rain cave
Bald green bear.
werebear skeleton
but it's just a buff orc
all the forms are just orcs squeezed into the shapes of the forms
glass flicker
That'd look messy AF but I don't dislike the idea.
rain cave
That'd look messy AF but I don't dislike the idea.
don't think about tree form too hard
that's a fractal of flesh I don't need to envisage
glass flicker
Heh.
sleek solar
And how come didn't give Thas'dorah back to Alleria?
Maybe she wanted the pc to have it
Wouldn’t give it back even if she asked to though
glass flicker
Vereesa said as much herself. But wouldn't Alleria have a say in it?
sleek solar
Nah
glass flicker
Bruh?
sleek solar
Why would you ask permission of the owner tsss
glass flicker
It's her bow, though.
sleek solar
I was being sarcastic, sorry
glass flicker
You were and you failed in conveying that joke.
sleek solar
Just gameplay reasons I think
glass flicker
Yes, but past Legion?
Like, we see Huln with the Eagle Spear in the Shadowlands.
So why not give the other artifacts to their rightful owners?
And why did the Frost DK artifact not play a part in Shadowlands at all?
sleek solar
Ask blizzard
glass flicker
"Sup, Primus!"
sniff sniff "You... here? Why are you carrying Mourneblades?"
It could have been such a perfect fit.
uncut vault
Vereesa said as much herself. But wouldn't Alleria have a say in it?
Alleria mentions it in 7.3, that she might call on it one day (forcibly to horde players), but for now she's content seeing it in good hands
glass flicker
Eh.
uncut vault
but yeah the lack of mention of some stuff in Shadowlands is kinda disappointing
after stuff like Azshara's scepter got little story bits in BfA, I expected them to continue
you'd figure devos or uther would mention the blades of the fallen prince lol
glass flicker
We even got Xal'Atath in BfA. My assumption was that they'd continue plotlines involving the other artifacts as we go on.
Turns out, no.
There was literally no excuse for the DK player carrying the Blades of the Fallen Prince into the Shadowlands and seeing people not bat an eye.
Like, for hell's sake.
sleek solar
Sort of
glass flicker
The Frost DK artifact is literally Frostmourne reforged into two swords. Icebringer and Frostreaper.
So seeing no one bat an eye if I carry them is jarring. Even Illidan has dialogue in Well of Eternity if you carry the Warglaives of Azzinoth.
So why not a few Shadowlands NPCs?
rain cave
it's because artifacts are now fizzled out
by en large
like sure the twinblades of the fallen prince were made of frostmourne
but now they're fizzled out
Xal'atath was an exception because literal sentient weapon
and the acknowledge what happened to it sorta
she nearly died
in bfa you have to go around and repower her up
that being said a storyline of giving up the artifacts instead of the asspull "suck the red shit out of the sword" thing
might have been better, I like it more in principle
like returning the ashbringer to the chapel to let it rest, after everyone agrees no single person should hold that much power without good reason
deep pawn
I'll be sad if Aluneth is dead.
upper pasture
dragonflight talent trees coming up 👀
upper pasture
rain cave
shit
nice]#
where can I like literally check it out though
is the calculator attached to the blue post
upper pasture
i mean it goes into what is in each tree in the blue post but no calculator it seems
rain cave
rip
hard to fully grasp then
but I am noticing that frostwhelps are back
for frost DK
in some form
upper pasture
why rip we don't even know how many points were getting so how could you calculate it then?
rain cave
well they do
and even if it's not a literal calculator where you put points in
an interactive tree where you can mouseover the skills
so you can easily read where everything is
instead of having to consult a fucking key in the post below and compare it with the image lmao
upper pasture
Your first class tree point is awarded at level 10, and your first specialization tree point at level 11, alternating between the two from there. At level 70, you will have 31 available class points and 30 specialization points.
well i guess we do know how many point we're getting lol
cunning fossil
TALENTS OIT BITCHES
WOOOOH
WOOOOOOOOO
Ok but how to access
I'm so excited oml
Choice Node:
Blessing of Elune: Lunar Eclipse is 3 seconds longer and Solar Eclipse is 3 seconds shorter.
Blessing of An’she: Solar Eclipse is 3 seconds longer and Lunar Eclipse is 3 seconds shorter.
Now this I can fuck with
A choice on wether u want single target focus or AoE
That's really cool
Also they made Celestial alignment into an active ability rather than just a buff
I can fuck with that as well
What's with the hmm face lol?
glass flicker
I'm just going to wait for my warrior and monk stuff before I delve into the "the fuck is this?"
signal bone
this seems like mainly removing a lot of spells that classes / specs baseline now and just making you choose between them to get them back
not impressed
where's the new stuff
and why in gods name is UH still using the awful wounds mechanic lol
cunning fossil
this seems like mainly removing a lot of spells that classes / specs baseline no...
Idk what you mean? At least for druid right now, there are a variety of abilities that are pretty cool. Especially with the whole "Build your own Berserk" thing.
It gives you a majority of baseline things still are baseline so I wouldn't say they ripped everything up from baseline and just put it in a tree and called it a day
strange falcon
It gives you a majority of baseline things still are baseline so I wouldn't say ...
I mean, from what we can see here,
Veteran of the third war is a talent, AMS is a talent, interrupt is a talent, ICB is a talent.
Those blood dk builds are gonna be very strict and streamlined like this
Sorry, couldnt help myself to come in and challenge your hopes
glass flicker
Interrupts should be baseline, just saying.
There is no situation in which you would not pick the interrupt. So why not make it baseline?
strange falcon
Interrupts should be baseline, just saying.
I agree, but then you have people screaming, which has happened for similar things
glass flicker
Utterly pointless, if you ask me.
strange falcon
Permanent ghoul pet is also a talent for unholy not a passive
Lots of weird choices ngl
glass flicker
Every class should have a basic rotation, the interrupt, and a CC ability by default. With burst and passives in the tree.
That's just my opinion.
cunning fossil
The interrupt portion is near the top of the tree for a reason. It'll easily be accessible and if you want to be the guy with double interrupts as a booking u can.
cunning fossil
Double interrupts?
I said this as a dumb jank build for Boomkins if they dip into Guardian or feral.
But on a more serious note, I believe that making them talents makes it so that specs who don't traditionally have them can take them at a cost.
Those who would have gotten them anyways, will just grab them.
glass flicker
You make a decent point there. Does this mean healers finally get interrupts, then?
cunning fossil
From the looks of it, Restoration Druids can indeed grab Skull Bash as an interrupt
glass flicker
Oof, no silence beam.
cunning fossil
So every healer will probably have access to an interupt
I mean
Silence beam would be absolutely broken if Resto could ha e it lol
glass flicker
Right?
cunning fossil
And even then, Boomkins can basically get it on a 30sec CD if they silence their primary target
if they pick that talent ofc
Boomkins are 100% gonna be the go to Intterupt DPS I think
Likely some sort of Guardian/Boomkin mix yo also have access to skull bash
glass flicker
I'm curious about warriors.
I hope I can have Bladestorm and Ravager separate again.
cunning fossil
It could be interesting
I'm really interested with how they did the Berserk CD
In Feral and Guardian they basically made it so that you have multiple ways of "Building" your Berserk CD to suit your needs
And ngl that's a really neat thing
I hope they do that with other CDs of the same type
glass flicker
And now I wonder if monks have Storm, Earth and Fire by default and Serenity still changes it.
cunning fossil
To be honest I think it's pretty good as a first draft
Also I don't mean to be like "the current talent tree for every spec is perfect." Far from.it, especially since I have 0 clue about DKs for the most part
But I'm just thinking it's pretty neat as an idea. Tuning will have to happen in Alpha
glass flicker
I'm tired of WW being considered a pet spec, ngl.
cunning fossil
Lmaoo
glass flicker
Imagine now. Serenity = infinite Chi. Xuen = big PP DPS. Have WDP along them.
That'd be so broken and fun.
cunning fossil
Lmaoo
I doubt you'll get to do broken shut like that but some variation would be neat to see
cosmic beacon
The talent trees look dope
glass flicker
I hope I can do broken stuff by placing my points in what I need to get to them.
Though, probably, Serenity will be locked after picking SEF.
Burst cooldowns row, or something.
cunning fossil
Lmaoo will be interesting
cunning fossil
Though, probably, Serenity will be locked after picking SEF.
It'll probably be a choice node I think
glass flicker
I don't see it.
I think it'd be a row. Pick SEF, then Xuen, then pick one of three passives that amplifies Xuen, turns SEF into Serenity, or gives Xuen CDR or making his lightning deal stacking damage like it does now.
cunning fossil
Fair enough
glass flicker
Or maybe they'll put Weapons of Order in there.
cunning fossil
That'd be neet
glass flicker
I started playing Necrolord and missed Weapons of Order so hecking much.
upper pasture
Neat MoTW is coming back I wonder if we are seeing the return of class buffs
cunning fossil
gagging at the comments
Lol people are either not reading or they're over blowing somethings
OH MY GOD I HAVE TO SPEND ONE (1) TALENT POINT FOR PERMAGHOUL?
regardless of the fact that, you need to do it anyways. So it's not a big deal at all
Already pissing, shitting, and crying
"Everyone needs a point for the interrupt" Ok just put the point in the interrupt lol
The point is that your choice of having or not having it is IMPACTFUL
We all know interrupts are good
That's why they are near the top of the tree in the first place
ember blaze
There is no situation in which you would not pick the interrupt. So why not make...
Easy intro bosses with no required interrupts? World content? Healers now having an option to interrupt?
glass flicker
All solvable by just having the interrupt baseline?
ember blaze
I disagree with giving everyone the same power without giving something up 🤔
cunning fossil
^^^
upper pasture
also if its given baseline ALOT of players will just not use it
kinda like how it is today
subtle oar
All solvable by just having the interrupt baseline?
Based
cunning fossil
It's 1 point in the talent tree, that's earlier enough to where it really isn't gonna hinder you
Like guys it's not a big deal
At all.
subtle oar
Talenting into interrupts just doesn't sit well with me
upper pasture
then i'd suggest you get a standing desk for DF
subtle oar
My interupt is being taken away and put into a talent, that won't feel nice
ember blaze
was dumb for shamans to have an interrupt anyways
and no one else 🤔
interrupt and purge 😶
dense plover
Talents look neat
Moonkin not being baseline for balance feels wrong
It’s the only Druid spec that has to spend a class talent to get their shapeshift back
I think it should be a “get free if you are balance” talent
signal bone
this is just breaking the classes / specs apart and making you staple them back together again with less options. It wouldn't be so bad if this looked like they were offerering different playstyles (like being able to play UH like it was in WoTLK or a blood dps spec), but it's just the same as live with but worse
rain cave
not really
the base class is in there early on
and then the later talents let you choose where to specialize
if the entire talent tree was just extra effects on top of the base class people would complain that there's too much and it's over complicated
signal bone
even if that is the case, I'm not seeing much in terms of actual change
it's just the illusion of change. Repackaging the specs / classes is...fine? I geuss the talent trees look kind of cool, but it really offers nothing new
rain cave
it offers new things philosophically
this system is going to be built on
they can add layers going down or horizontally
but repackaging the experience we currently have with some extra bits rn is fine
keep in mind, the talents recreate basically everything we have
covenants and some legendaries included
and that's baseline
gives them room to potentially have other interesting interactions
daring shore
It’s the only Druid spec that has to spend a class talent to get their shapeshif...
i think you have to spend on eclipse too
ember blaze
I think it should be a “get free if you are balance” talent
It should be baseline for all specs. Why is that the only form that isn't?
upper pasture
Tbf it used to be a talent and it’s probably because it’s tied to a group buff?
Right? Or am I crazy doesn’t moonkin form give like 5% haste to the group?
upper pasture
Oh maybe it used to do that in the old talent trees seems like now it just gives you armor and 10% spell dam
dense plover
Which is what it has been doing for a while now
It just feels mandatory for balance druids to take
When it should be baseline
dense plover
i think you have to spend on eclipse too
Eclipse is built in to balance but Sunfall is not
upper pasture
Yeah well I mean this is alpha so feedback is hopefully going to get looked at 🤷♂️
dense plover
I’m assuming it’ll be baseline for balance pretty quickly
cunning fossil
If everything "core" becomes baseline, there will be more points being put into other options
rain cave
I worry that some people will then feel like the new things are going to feel baseline then
and then people want THOSE to actually be baseline
and so on so forth
keep in mind these talents aren't just max level
they start from low level
cunning fossil
The reasons this is not a good thing are that
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It would contradict the point of the system in the first place, as they are attempting to future proof this system for future expansions so that we don't NEED to add another system of progression.
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It may throw balance out of wack. The positions in the chart are at least thought of a little bit, so that you can't take in EVERYTHING you want while also getting what you think is "baseline".
People need to start accepting that you gotta give to get something you want. If you have everything you want, you'll just complain that "they really didn't give us much" when the fact is you're just wanting all the options all the time.
rain cave
realistically it's only the latter half of the tree that is meant to be the actual replacement for talents
cunning fossil
You can't just keep adding on whatever you think should be baseline though.
rain cave
yah
exactly
moonkin should probably be baseline though
unless they wanted to make a build for no moonkin form
but if they aren't then yeah probs baseline if that's how other specs handle it
cunning fossil
If EVERYTHING you thought should be baseline is base lined, then it puts WAY too much power into every point on the tree then.
rain cave
but I was talking to somebody who said the core of fire mage is meteor or some shit
like we were discussing legion
cunning fossil
Talent points are being made so that, while impactful, are not so drastic that there can be no flexibility
rain cave
keep the simple shit that fulfills the base fantasy
all fire mages need the heating up cycle
so that stuff should be baseline
or very early in the tree
cunning fossil
Which most are
rain cave
fire blast is base to class already
so heating up could probably be the 1st talent tree point
cunning fossil
Anything that is just baseline or part of specs are either baseline or very early up in the tree to where you basically WILL have them
rain cave
ye
cunning fossil
It's supposed to be simple in some spots
Not every point should be a 5% DPS difference
It'd just be too much at that point
rain cave
people are expecting theory crafting from the areas of the tree that would be unlocked by level 20's
lmao
cunning fossil
Lmao yup
rain cave
people want old talent trees
and this is what old talent trees are like by en-large
in fact vanilla moonkin form was the final talent
cunning fossil
I'm gonna be roasted on a stick for my take lol
uncut lintel
cunning fossil
Like I just don't believe every talent should be something that is SO impactful. Some talents should just be stuff you wanna pick up anyways or KNOW you wanna pick up
upper pasture
in fact vanilla moonkin form was the final talent
literally what i said
cunning fossil
Let's say 5-9 talent points are "givens"
Well that's good, you got like 20 more to play with
upper pasture
balance used to be no form until you dove in deep to be a true balance spec
upper pasture
all in all people just want to complain so its gonna happen no matter what
rain cave
also they said like
if you feel like 1 or 2 more points would really make you OP
that's what they want
they want you to feel like you can make a build, but not have all the options at once
cunning fossil
You don't get mooning form unless you are a mid level moonkin and you can only get it for other spec IF you have it as your affinity
rain cave
meaning the choice is impactful
cunning fossil
So like
It makes SENSE that Moonkin form is a mid-level talent
Also if it was just baseline. You'd probably have issues with Balance druids in terms of utility/survivability
rain cave
I think getting actual alpha will be important
since the feel of these trees will be important
cunning fossil
Yeah totally of course.
rain cave
looking at it on paper wow community will just be stroppy
cunning fossil
I am pretty excited about it honestly. Because just looking at the options, and knowing that they have to be options is sweet
rain cave
ye
cunning fossil
Also the talent system let's them do stuff like the Berserk types for Cat and Bear druids
Literally "Build your own CD"
You can't really have that with talents we have right now
LMAO they even call them prototypes
deep pawn
Disco bear!
cunning fossil
Yeah these definitely ain't final. We may not even be getting these when alpha drops
deep pawn
I wanna try all the moonfire build
cunning fossil
Arcane Damage Guardian Druid sounds tight I'm not gonna lie
I wanna try something stupid with Unholy DK where you care about festering Wounds than summoning minions
I believe there is even a build where you can just have Tiger's Fury up 100% of the time
With the new reset passive
"If an enemy dies with one of your bleeds on them, reset the cooldown on Tiger's Fury. Tiger's Fury lasts 10 sec longer."
OH and not to mention the choice of build for Moonlins
cunning fossil
Choice Node:
Blessing of Elune: Lunar Eclipse is 3 seconds longer and Solar Ecl...
This right here is so cool
I love how there is actually a bit of give and take
ancient jasper
Demon Hunter Talent Trees are going to be fucking bare as hell I feel like
cunning fossil
They could take the chance to give DH more options though!
ember blaze
Demon Hunter Talent Trees are going to be fucking bare as hell I feel like
When I bothered playing a DH, I was so desperate for filling up my action bar that I keybinded spectral sight 😶
and i still had several buttons open
onyx copper
I dont know if this has been said but with moomkin set as a talent it allows resto to pick up the form easily which defiantly benefits spec and playstyle options.
dense plover
I’m really curious how Monk and DH will work since they’ve never had talent trees before
And DH already has a small af toolkit
ember blaze
Monks have a lot of buttons to work with. Dh on the other hand 😶
deep pawn
Monks gonna get spinning fire blossom back plz
I don't care if it sucks, I just want it back
And not the trail of flowers version
cunning fossil
And DH already has a small af toolkit
It's not as if they're gonna prune DH to make them alright with Trees lol
They're definitely adding more
deep pawn
Tell that to unholy talenting permanent pet. Hehe
cunning fossil
Tell that to unholy talenting permanent pet. Hehe
You're gonna take it anyways. It's not like it's a hindrance
deep pawn
But they can absolutely take a bunch of current dh abilities to be made talents
cunning fossil
Sure bud
Also it's just gonna be baseline
Anything that is Quality of life or Vital has been confirmed to be baseline
signal bone
i really don't care what is baseline as long as we get new stuff
DH especially could use a spice up
then again, I don't really see the problem with the current talents so "shrug"
deep pawn
Anything that is Quality of life or Vital has been confirmed to be baseline
I mean you theoretically can make balance druid without moonkin form right now right?
cunning fossil
I mean you theoretically can make balance druid without moonkin form right now r...
In a way, yeah.
Jank but possible xD
deep pawn
You wouldn't want to but it's possible. I don't think we'll be seeing much new added to dh. Maybe some torghast powers.
rain cave
I imagine DH will have an area focused on meta, one on soul fragments, and one for momentum if we're just going off base
And in a very loose sense
urban spire
DH might only get 2 branches
if you look at the dk and druid ones
they start with 1 node each at the top for each spec
and each "column" kind of fits the theme of one of the specs
druid does end with 3 major points like DK, so that kind of is an arguement against my point, but I think overall it's kind of a branch for each spec, so I'd see DH only getting 2 branches down
same as evoker, I would expect evoker to have 2 branches in the class tree for each spec too
cunning fossil
New spec for DH
upper pasture
Big doubt
cunning fossil
i know : p
strange falcon
You're gonna take it anyways. It's not like it's a hindrance
Why do they have to gut the baseline instead of the talent being
"When you successfully interrupt, gain 20 runic power" <-- this talent actually existed
Or "when you do x while in moonkin form gain y"
Talents should be(for the most part) evolutions of your tool kit, not your base toolkit itself.
And back to the argument of moonkin form being a talent, balance druid had a lot less build variety because moonkin form was absolutely mandatory in every build.
cunning fossil
The thing is that only works if you're not doing too many variations. It's unfeasible to have 30/31 completely new effects or skills to be paired with the baseline kit without breaking it
Also, older talent trees had baseline abilities in the talent trees.
cunning fossil
Why do they have to gut the baseline instead of the talent being
"When you succe...
To. Ouster your Mooonkin form argument, is that it is given to you early on in the Class tree. So it's not very hard to access
And sometimes you do not even need everything in your class talent points
dense plover
it just seems weird that its the only shapeshift that needs a talent in the class tree and not the spec tree
cunning fossil
Like Improved mooning form? Literally useless unless you're PVPing
dense plover
when its distinctly associated with balance
cunning fossil
I get what you mean but it's early enough to where I feel like it doesn't even matter ngl
Even on live you don't get mooning form immediately
dense plover
i mean its essentially one less talent for all balance players
cunning fossil
Well not really?
Because all the other specs have other "mandatory" things to take as well
So you can't really say that Balance is down one especially considering that their class tree makes up for it and I believe makes them the interrupt kings
Like, this 1 Spec talent tree point being in Moonkin form.is not gonna hurt them IMO. Especially since you have other things like Sunfire even lower in the tree
uncut vault
honestly I kinda wish theyd rework the benefits of moonkin form
remove the damage bonus and give it something else
cunning fossil
and a damage/healing buff
uncut vault
so its actually a choice between using it or not
cunning fossil
Oh fair enough yeah.
uncut vault
Id love to be able to play balance without needing moonkin form/astral stars form
just my base model
subtle oar
Or, make different Balance forms, that provide different buffs
upper pasture
That would be neat but entirely too much work if we get different forms based on race
signal bone
do we know if you can go "Up" in the talents?
rain cave
wdym
you start from the top, need a certain amount of points spent to progress further down
signal bone
nm I thought you were locked to the column of your spec in the class tree
rain cave
nm I thought you were locked to the column of your spec in the class tree
There are 2 trees
Class and spec
deep pawn
You can start putting talents into another specs default first without going down your tree to connect the .
So a bear druid can grab rejuv if so desired
dense plover
Meanwhile balance HAS to take moonkin
“We want you to specialize into your shapeshift form” - only one spec doesn’t get a form and instead has to waste a class talent on it
cosmic beacon
boomie build where u dont have to be chicken perhaps? 
dense plover
I don’t see it happening considering it increases your damage by 10%
Unless you are off-specing for support and even then
dense plover
It IS weird and I hope they change it
Move something else or make it only baseline for balance but balance gets fucked with this current setup
deep pawn
Okay, moonkin form is now baseline for all druid, there's now a talent that gives moonkin form the 10% damage.
ancient jasper
Inb4 DH's need to talent in to Meta form lol
dense plover
Okay, moonkin form is now baseline for all druid, there's now a talent that give...
That’s just as bad though
Like the problem is it’s a +10% spell damage talent so every balance Druid has to take it
So why isn’t it baseline for balance like other necessary abilities are for other specs?
deep pawn
Lots of talents are likely gonna be "must take"
You don't think swipe and ironfur aren't mandatory for bear?
dense plover
I don’t think they are out in the world for PvE, No
Again my other complaint is that the other two shapeshift specs get form specific buffs as their baseline stuff but balance form is fucking yeeted
Like - why is moonkin not baseline for balance?
It just feels wrong
Honestly get rid of the dps and armor from the form, make it something mechanically relevant
And make the form baseline
rain cave
Again my other complaint is that the other two shapeshift specs get form specifi...
well tbf
those forms are available to every druid spec baseline aren't they?
like atm, no matter what spec you are you get bear and cat
whereas only balance gets boomkin
but also it's effectively baseline since it's so early in the talent trees
a point others have repeated
deep pawn
Hell my first look at the trees, even my bear it's gonna get moonkin cause I want typhoon and other stuff in that tree.
cunning fossil
That's the nice thing about it. You get to actually customize lol
urban spire
yee
I looked at the DK one and was initially a bit bummed, but thinking about it more i'm pretty exicted
it doesn't seem like old school trees where there is one meta build only, it really seems like there will be a handful of builds that will be useful for each situation
and plenty for different situations
deep pawn
It'll depend on tuning but at least a couple of the tank builds seem to favor single target or aoem
cunning fossil
Gonna play Galaxy Bear no matter what though ngl
Like
I wasn't interesting in guardian until this existed
sly patrol
Got a thing going with using a graphing library to lay out the talent trees automatically
https://codepen.io/ske/pen/rNJrMae
think you have to zoom in because I scraped /every/ ability name from the druid page
hoping it'll make stuff like mobile layouts easier, though I feel it'll be like this and a tabbed view
cunning fossil
Hmmm
languid yoke
Like - why is moonkin not baseline for balance?
you can literally put a point to get moonkin form directly at level 10 though
harsh wedge
you can literally put a point to get moonkin form directly at level 10 though
He meant, why is balance the only one of the specs with a "special" form that gives bonus, that needs to spend a talent point into int, compared to feral and bear that have the form by default
languid yoke
cause you literally can't use feral/guardian abilities without form
nocturne totem
Does resto still have that tree form thing?
rain cave
Does resto still have that tree form thing?
glyph
rain cave
He meant, why is balance the only one of the specs with a "special" form that gi...
because balance is the only spec with a unique form to its spec
boomy is the only "special" form
strange falcon
Does resto still have that tree form thing?
The old tree form from wrath is a book in the druid orderhall, and the new "broccoli" tree is the incarnation talent
nocturne totem
👍
cunning fossil
When is the Talent Calculator dropping damn iiit
I wanna make something stupid
I know there is a mock up hut you can't actually put points and stuff into it
strange falcon
I know there is a mock up hut you can't actually put points and stuff into it
Take a pen, and paper, and count out the points yourself smh
deep pawn
There's one that was linked on Reddit
I messed around with a couple guardian and blood builds
cunning fossil
Interesting
Thanks Kyle
Lol.Kyle
Sorry every time I read the name, I just think about South Park
subtle oar
you can literally put a point to get moonkin form directly at level 10 though
Eh, you say this, but you have to realize, things FEEL much different to the average player than how it looks on paper.
Removing something from the player that is baseline and saying "To now use this, you have to talent into it," does not feel good, no matter how early you can get it
languid yoke
I am wondering if an optional opt-in automatic talent section would be good
cause I heard that a few times. I don't agree, but I heard it before
strange falcon
Man this is gonna be alpha covenants all over again.
Where one side says "this is kinda sus" and the other goes "no man, thats so good, dude im so excited"
We know how covenants ended up 👀
subtle oar
Yuuuup
I remember being accused of hating player freedom and meaningful choice because I was opposed to locking players into one covenant and only having access to that covenants abilities only.
cunning fossil
You can't compare covenants to this though.
BUT I am not gonna discuss this because I'm gonna get booed
cunning fossil
Removing something from the player that is baseline and saying "To now use this,...
It's a necessary thing to make it so that talents feel jmpactful though. All the talents should be interesting and it will basically be baseline anyways since it is the first talent you will select.
Their goal was to make it so that talents essentially replace the "major" leveling up abilities and such. Which is not a bad thing
And it won't feel bad to anyone because
dense plover
yeah its ok to have it behind talents
especially because we get 31 of each i think?
or 31/30?
cunning fossil
- Old players will just have it already anyways.
And 2. New players will be like "Woah!! I get a whole new Form for playing balance?! That's so cool!"
No new player is gonna be like "Aww what this SUCKS"
We get 31class and 30 spec points
subtle oar
It's a necessary thing to make it so that talents feel jmpactful though. All the...
Yeah no. You add new things to the talents to make them impactful, not take things away that players already have baseline and tell them they have to now talent into it. You have to understand how that will feel to the average player. It will feel bad and not be taken well.
cunning fossil
You think that but as I already said, it's a necessary "evil"
deep pawn
They were never ever gonna make a ton of new things
cunning fossil
And what would u replace it with?
subtle oar
You think that but as I already said, it's a necessary "evil"
No, its not.
cunning fossil
They can't make EVERY talent point something new
deep pawn
Hell, the most exciting part of blood is the possibility of getting a bunch of frost resource generators in the class tree.
cunning fossil
You have to understand that we're entering a whole new "era"
subtle oar
And what would u replace it with?
Moonkin baseline, and have talents that change what your moonkin form does.
cunning fossil
Where there are 60+ talents instead of 7
subtle oar
Yes. It is
No, its not.
cunning fossil
Moonkin baseline, and have talents that change what your moonkin form does.
That's too complex for the Class tree Bai
deep pawn
You don't need moonkin form to cast balance spells. Not the same.
subtle oar
That's too complex for the Class tree Bai
They have literally proved its not
cunning fossil
How?
Show me where any form changes in such a significant way that it will be different when you play it as a SPEC
Show me the tool tip Bai. I'm sorry but I firmly believe that you can't make everything you feel should be baseline baseline at the risk of homogenization and power spikes
subtle oar
There are literally talents that you select on or the other. This entire talent revamp proves they can make meaningful impactful choice and make it feel good to get talent points. They do not need to resort to stealing baseline things and force you to talent into them.
This IS coves all over again and the same people who said "Oh yeah, this will be awesome": have not learned their lesson
cunning fossil
You get mooning form.earlier in the tree than you do leveling right now bai
I hope.u know that
deep pawn
But you're acting as if moonkin is the only example. Thrash is a talent
cunning fossil
^^^
deep pawn
Thrash is mandatory for bear
cunning fossil
EVERY spec has a "locked" core feature in the second row of the class tree, Bai
deep pawn
Half of guardians spec talents interact with thrash
subtle oar
You get mooning form.earlier in the tree than you do leveling right now bai
That literally does not matter. Its the fact its taken from baeline to being a talent that will not FEEL good. This is literally a "looks good on paper, feels awful in practice" moment
cunning fossil
It's really not
subtle oar
It literally is
cunning fossil
You have 31 pioinrs
subtle oar
Doesnt matter
cunning fossil
Instead of just 7
deep pawn
Us max level people are gonna make our 2-3 templates per spec and never think about it again
cunning fossil
Dude you're gonna have mooning form anyway
subtle oar
You are reufising to understand player psychology
cunning fossil
No. I think you're just being a little too attached with the current system
deep pawn
If you were locked from getting moonkin until 70 I'd buy the argument
cunning fossil
They explicitly stated that TALENTS would basically replace leveling in terms of acquiring abilities
They WANT this to happen
subtle oar
No. I think you're just being a little too attached with the current system
No? I have wanted a return to the old talent system, before cata, forever.
deep pawn
No? I have wanted a return to the old talent system, before cata, forever.
They'd never be that stupid to go back to pointless talents
subtle oar
So why are u against this?
I'm against STEALING THINGS THAT ARE BASELINE, to make them TALENTS, instead of making NEW THINGS. PLEASE, actually listen to what im saying and now strawmaning me, Wai :<
deep pawn
Besides, old talents you picked moonkin form even later.
dense plover
I'm against STEALING THINGS THAT ARE BASELINE, to make them TALENTS, instead of ...
if they were to do that, you would have 3-4 bars of abilities
and you wouldnt use half of them
cunning fossil
I've been saying yhat NOT EVERYTHING needs to be new
That's the point Bai,
They want to make you use talents more
They want them to be IMPORTANT
A new player will never know it was "baseline"
Because they'll have never played before
subtle oar
if they were to do that, you would have 3-4 bars of abilities
Incorrect. Havinbg a mix of impactful passive that can change how abilities behave and having new abilities is quite achieveable.
cunning fossil
They're not even locking it behind anything huge Baim.it is LITERALLY your first level 10 talent
It's basically baseline
U can not continue down the Moonkin path WITHOUT selecting it
strange falcon
You have to understand that we're entering a whole new "era"
Damn the era of taking away content to resell it in a new system,
Wow they really are taking after modern tripleA titles!
cunning fossil
Damn the era of taking away content to resell it in a new system,
Wow they real...
How the fuck is it taking away content? It is just moving how you acquiring it. he'll it's making it so that u can acquire it FASTER.
subtle oar
They're not even locking it behind anything huge Baim.it is LITERALLY your first...
Doesn't matter. You just refuse to actually take what im saying in good faith "Its literally an early talent, sooo," You just will not engage with my argument and listen to what im saying.
subtle oar
I do
cunning fossil
That if EVERY talent point was something new.
subtle oar
Because.I am telling you
Theres your error
cunning fossil
It'd be a clusterfuck.in terms.of balancing
Not everything can be mew
And if they want toake.Talents important to the game again, they HAVE to shift focus into them
subtle oar
Agree to disagree, because i'm not interested in not being taken seriously.
cunning fossil
So you HAVE to make it so that tlanets give you most of how you build.yoir character in the future
I am taking you seriously. I just don't believe you understand the point of swapping over to talents rather than baseline stuff
strange falcon
Thrash is mandatory for bear
Sunfire is a talent, and to make it aoe you need another talent.
They took a "baseline" thing and made it not 1 but 2 talents, amazing work blizzard 😂
cunning fossil
It's almost as if it's because they want the spec tree to fill out the spec and make you feel ore powerful as your progress through it. Rather than having Spec altering shit in the Class tree. Causing talents to be way too impactful in terms.of what is chosen and turning balancing into a nightmare
Do you honestly think they should put Spec altering talents in.the class tree?
strange falcon
Dude you're gonna have mooning form anyway
I didnt know mooning required a form, they coined a new term for that in recent years tho, twerking
cunning fossil
You have to understand that we are moving from 7 talents to more than 60
They can not feasibly make.50+ new talents for every spec and class
strange falcon
They WANT this to happen
I mean, blizzard wants a lot of things, but 80% of the time, they change it after a year of complaints 😂
cunning fossil
And not expect a clusterfuck of balance issues
Well now no one is taking in my point..and UNDERSTANDING what I mean. So yeah whatever just make everything baseline and make 60+ new talents
And see how well that goes for y'all
Since you don't want things to be "taken away"
Despite the fact that you are still getting them and are fucking getting them faster
But yeah go ahead guys
Make everything baseline and make ev ery single point vital that each one is a potential 3% difference
strange falcon
It's almost as if it's because they want the spec tree to fill out the spec and ...
I believe the balancing nightmare was more because of attaching majority of a specs power to the borrowed power of that expac, not 7 talents
cunning fossil
And they are removing that. Your pount?
I am literally saying that the focus shift of importance is to TALENTS. so they HAVE to make it feel as if Talents give you a lot.of what your spec does
strange falcon
They can not feasibly make.50+ new talents for every spec and class
Im pretty sure they could if they didnt fire 90% of their class balance devs after mop
cunning fossil
Well they did. We can't keep bringing that up..it's been a fucking decade. We kmowm.it was a shit move. No one cares
strange falcon
And not expect a clusterfuck of balance issues
Its still gonna be a clusterfuck, they have an 18year track record of balancing things
cunning fossil
So your argument is to make it MORE of a clusterfuck??
strange falcon
Make everything baseline and make ev ery single point vital that each one is a p...
Damn, already going to the logical extreme, WAI is steaming up
cunning fossil
Well that's what you're saying though
The argument is that they're taking away things that were baseline and putting them.in the talent tree
Well then, just make.everything baseline
Is that not what.you wan
strange falcon
This is what the channel is gonna be from here until release, i hope you guys are strapped in for the ride
cunning fossil
Or.do.u just mean moonkin form.SPECIFICALLY
upper pasture
sthat's literally just this chat always
strange falcon
Is that not what.you wan
The eclipse talent you mentioned, is a good example of a talent,
Making sunfire a talent(that needs another talent to be aoe) is not a good talent
cunning fossil
Difference is that you've gotta remember that's for every specc
And even after than, what would u replace it with Daf?
It can't be something spec.altering
Can't be too drastic
So what are u replacing it with?
A new ability? That's throws balance out of whack once again
It's not feasible for EVERYTHING to be mew
deep pawn
Seriously, if they made moonkin form baseline, they'd make the 10% damage the talent.
cunning fossil
^^^^^
strange falcon
It can't be something spec.altering
We have plenty of tierset bonuses from the past,
Playstyle altering if possible yes, but not required
cunning fossil
We have plenty of tierset bonuses from the past,
Playstyle altering if possible ...
We are taling about the class talent tree Daf
upper pasture
then everyone would cry about how they are ruining moonkin form
cunning fossil
That is literally.impossible
strange falcon
The eclipse talent alters your playstyle, but it doesnt change your damage output, just shifts it from single target to aoe
cunning fossil
Difference is, that is a spec talent choice
We are talking Class
Again
Class should.NOT. be about output
At least not.majorly
Because otherwise,.you getore.balance issues
strange falcon
You can make it not about output,
When you interrupt something, gain movement speed
Ez
When you dispel, heal ppl around you
cunning fossil
That would feel bad to get do low down the list
Dispel would be more down the Resto branch. But ok sure
strange falcon
Like i dont pretend to be a developer, but its not that immensely difficult to come up with ideas
cunning fossil
It has to specially relate to boomu
That doesn't increase output
But also doesn't provide them too much utility compared to other specs
But ALSON can't feel.lacking compared to other specs
strange falcon
They have azerite powers, artifact powers, tierset bonuses, legendary effects(that arent output)
Special items effects
They really are not without choices
cunning fossil
All of those you're mentioning can not be Class Talents
They have to be spec talents for being powerful
strange falcon
They kinda can be tho, just dont pick throughput ones ez
cunning fossil
Against that list I just typed out is the restriction they are working with
What Boomy Specifc tier set, effect, legendary power. Or Azeritr/artifact power, was not through put boosting Daf
strange falcon
Im not gonna look through every item 😂
cunning fossil
The answer is there aren't any daf
upper pasture
but there's so many of them to choose from?
cunning fossil
And all of them are through put enhancing
That is a reatriction
That you can't have in a Class talent tree barring some.exceptions
upper pasture
honestly no matter what release looks like there will be a line that people on one side will think its too much and the other will think it is not enough and that will never change
strange falcon
This is what the channel is gonna be from here until release, i hope you guys ar...
I wish we could pin this image 😂
rain cave
@subtle oar moonkin form is not baseline
no every druid spec gets boomkin
it is unique to balance
it is balances gimmick
upper pasture
could we please stop, we've had this convo many times now. ain't noone changing their minds on the topic
rain cave
I just don't see why people are so riled up about it
if anything I'd embrace the fact that blizz COULD make boomkin optional
upper pasture
because it's making you so upset that they don't get it.
rain cave
if anything that's a good thing
i'm not upset about it I'm just explaining the logic
that blizz are using
since people are mistaking boomkin as a core class feature
upper pasture
yet here you are trying to be the 100th person to explain to them the logic behind why it's placed where it is
cunning fossil
if anything I'd embrace the fact that blizz COULD make boomkin optional
I'm sorry to burst thy bubble but uh...y-you literally can't
Moonkin form is the way to progress in the other trees
rain cave
wdym
upper pasture
hold
rain cave
but yeah I'm not saying boomkin is optional rn
I'm saying that the idea of not having boomkin as a potential thing
people are acting like potentially not having boomkin is a bad thing
when I'd be all for a moonkinless balance build
that has most of the damage but can still cast all its abilities without dropping form
hybrid build
idk
I just don't like being in a form
hence why I don't play druid
upper pasture
i mean you can glyph to a normal looking form and then it's just a personal buff you have to remember to click
rain cave
i mean you can glyph to a normal looking form and then it's just a personal buff...
yeah but even that makes you all twinkly
I atleast want a glyph that allows me to use a model with the zandalari skeleton
since zandalari are just the coolest druids atm
they have cool racials, cool forms
upper pasture
but you don't like forms?
rain cave
because the forms feel shit
normal boomkin feels like a meme more than a cool class fantasy
and the glyph kind of helps but then you still have to worry about dropping form anyway
strange falcon
I get passionate
Some would say a little too passionate
rain cave
but also you shouldn't need to drop form
I think my issue is that a lot of the things you might want to cast outside of your normal rotation drop your form
whereas shadowform doesn't really have that
your sustain doesn't drop your form
whereas druid has multiple sustain options, and is encouraged to off heal in some regards
but doing so drops your form
meaning you have to bind your form, unlike S priest where you just toggle it on
cunning fossil
wdym
I was wrong my bad. I have done it
No moonkin form Boomy
Focusses on Dots and Off spec healing
basically, you'
you're trying to deal damage with things that aren't spells more than you are with normal spells lmao
oh and you get double interrupt too
look at that good shit y'all
yes you loose typhoon but you still get vortex
Look guys the goal was to make a no boomie form boomkin
and I did it to the best of my ability
so clap
cunning fossil
arent dots worthless on chicken
The boomy build has a semi starsurge focus with Goldrinn
but yes
hmm maybe I should lean into that
He NGL IDK what'd going on here lel
I'm busy making Galaxy Bear
deep pawn
Moonkin is an easy 10% more damage. You can skip it but there's 0 reason. The choice comes from the utility you want. You can get furor and cat build for example to put a bunch of energy free attacks and a rip up every time the CD is up. It's a bit hard to be balance and get cat abilities with heart of the wild sadly.
cunning fossil
Moonkin is an easy 10% more damage. You can skip it but there's 0 reason. The ch...
oh I know. I was just making one for no reason lol
The pointis that you can
it'll be shit
BUT
you can : P
also Kyle I got a build for Glaaxy Bear I think
Sustain Healing and just using maul as a rage dump
i took as many damage increases for Spell damge as possible that didn't require moonkin form lmao
rain cave
I was wrong my bad. I have done it
No moonkin form Boomy
nice
looks cool
love this new system
cunning fossil
facts
deep pawn
With that build you'd be going incarnation
cunning fossil
I enver even bothered to try Guardian ngl
Reall? I thought Convoke would synergize with the arcane damage stuff and Nature's Vigil
But I do see your point
deep pawn
You don't have moonkin so no chicken voke
You'd convoke a bunch of healing spells outside of bear.
deep pawn
And instead of the healing CD, if you want dps, currently heart of the wild buffs moonfire. No way they let it do it in DF, but who knows
cunning fossil
Really? I had thought that it wouldn't since
Technically, you can cast Moonfire in bear form and stuff
deep pawn
You'd think that, but no, game classifies it as a balance spell as well and buffs it.
deep pawn
They'll have to change the coding on hotw regardless since we don't have affinity talents
You get to mix and match
cunning fossil
Yeah exactly
That's what I like personally
Now, time to make Mid range unholy DK with Festering wound's as the central damage
I love making these jank ass builds
cunning fossil
the jank calc is here
That is, until Wowhead makes one
then i'll be using that
upper pasture
glad to see that blood leggo is being put into our tree 😄
cunning fossil
oohg
what's this build for? 2 Hander Frost?
very nice
This is my Festering Wound DK build
Minimal Minion summoning
just you dealing lots of damage with festering wounds
and having range in the form of Clawing shadows
Now I know what you're thinking
"This is completely shit"
But you're wrong
rain cave
how will you apply the festerings
I tried doing this and I hate to delve into the far right side of the tree
so your ghoul can apply festering
also unholy assault isn't worth
or whatever it's called
bottom left
cunning fossil
Death grip people into death and decays, which has 10% chance to apply festering when it deals damage, and they'll be forced into it because of the 90% decaying slow
strange falcon
The pointis that you can
Since you made no boomkin form, make bear build without ironfur and frenzied regen, do it 😂
cunning fossil
and in the mean time, slam Festering strikes into them
also it iw a defile instead of DnD
so you just make the thing grow and grow and grow
and it';ll just keep dealing damage
cunning fossil
so your ghoul can apply festering
NGl that felt like abit of a bait if you want to go the Festering wound route IMO
It's a 30% chance of getting one festering wound from each ghoul attack
when instead it could be you doing it instead
also the Unholy assault is really good because it applies 4 Festering wounds immediately, which is enough to instantly Apocalypse for max ghouls despite this not being an Army fo the dead build
so I think it fits
rain cave
NGl that felt like abit of a bait if you want to go the Festering wound route IM...
this is my attempt
most festering wounds you can apply without casting festering strike
is this build
(at range)
if you don't want to be in melee this is the best bet from what I can deduce
cunning fossil
The only thing I don't like is gaining epidemic I guess
cuz you want to spending it on Death Coils
and you also don't get to have festermight
which I feel will be ahuge deal
rain cave
you need festermight to get to those middle bits
cunning fossil
since you can often get it to like a 10% strength increase very early onin the 20 second window
rain cave
oh nvm
cunning fossil
oh hold on my bad
rain cave
I'm mixing up my talents
cunning fossil
I mis looked it
Death Coil Dealing 40% more damage and hitting another taget though
rain cave
but yeah frenzied monstrosity feels essential for the infected claws on your ghoul
meh
cunning fossil
I fealt like that's pretty good
rain cave
death cool isn't that important
cunning fossil
fair
rain cave
it's not a fun button to press
rain cave
I tried to focus more on buffing your ghoul to do damage and make wounds for you to pop at range
cunning fossil
and it also pops festeringw oulds
cunning fossil
the more it can cleave, the more wounds can be popped I think
Well yes what I mean is that the proc that makes Death Coil pop up to 2 wounds and increases shadow damage is pretty nice
and since the ghoul deals physical damage, I didn't feel as if it's very good?
also i just feel like bursting 4 wounds Immediately, is so good
so i felt tha Apoc is semi required
I'm legit tempted to not take unholy command
that's my logic anyways. I think youre build is pretty solid too though
just more of a mix than mine perhaps
rain cave
thoughts on this blood build?
kind of focuses on Death and decay
getting death and decay resets, having 2 charges of it
using shattering bone (bottom left, semi final talent), to pop your bone shields and deal more damage to people in death and decay
getting haste from being in death and decay, and having bone shields
cunning fossil
ooh I gotta look at that real quick
rain cave
when you reset death and decay you also get haste
so basically you can have a cyclic 15% haste buff going I would assume almost all the time if it's like live's effects
could probably even use tombstone instead of mark of blood
because you have more haste you auto attack more, get more bloodworms
and get shields from permafrost more
consuming your bone shields also reduces rune weapon CD
cunning fossil
ooooh nice
interesitng. No bonestorm?
like with all the Runic power you're making. I thought it'd be a good choice?
pretty good build tbh
yours I mean. That's really fun looking
upper pasture
hey look Wowhead talent trees are up now lol
deep pawn
I was personally intrigued by the frost class talents
Faster attack speed, more RP, more runes.
cunning fossil
Depends on how you want to play
Obliterate? Or Breath?
I kinda wanna make Maup Bear Druid now that I think about it
I didn't get to do that
cunning fossil
Oh no I know what you mean
rain cave
they're some strong bonuses
rain cave
the unholy/frost dichotomy is a cool one
unholy do provide some hella OP stuff later on
but frost has some nice pickups early/mid
cunning fossil
Yeah I think that makes sense. Depends on how you wanna go. Unholy seems to be AoE/Control centric
With an execution finisher
deep pawn
I don't particularly like playing around soul reaper
deep pawn
Also, especially early in an expansion, bdk gets a lot of auto attack damage, so faster autos is really nice.
rain cave
- permafrost talent on bdk
@deep pawn
so those autos give you shield
pretty useful
here's a more auto focused build
auto's get sped up, from spending Runic power, generate runic power, give you a shield, summon bloodworms and goes into dancing rune weapon and it's bonuses to mirror those auto attacks
deep pawn
Why wouldn't you go for abom limb and weapon on the class tree. On demand haste and runes is great.
I'd rather drop the unholy talents honestly
cunning fossil
What are u spending runes and runic power on? Just asking cux me
deep pawn
Keeping drw up
rain cave
Why wouldn't you go for abom limb and weapon on the class tree. On demand haste ...
abom limb isn't auto attacks
and idk what weapon u mean
I just went all in on buffing auto attacks with this build
deep pawn
Well if you're that deep anyways, abom limb, unless made weak af, will be the most dps per talent point you can get. I meant empower rune weapon. It's a short CD, fills your runes, and gives haste.
rain cave
Well if you're that deep anyways, abom limb, unless made weak af, will be the mo...
it's mainly because unholy has some useful tanking stuff
and utility
pet can make them do less dmg
multiple charges of grip and DeathNDecay
leech
strength
deep pawn
I'll show what I'm thinking once I get home.
I'd say you generally don't need extra charges of dnd
deep pawn
This is what intrigued me the most.
dense plover
This is what intrigued me the most.
where are you doing this?
dense plover
oh i see
balance gets moonkin VERY early
i am less upset
its literally your first talent 90% of the time
why does the calculator require you to buy all the ranks in a talent to move on? is that how this works?
i dont remember them saying it works that way
also these trees are interesting - i definitely had to make some choices on the spec tree for balance based on what i wanted
deep pawn
why does the calculator require you to buy all the ranks in a talent to move on?...
it's likely to require you to get all 3 if it works like previous talents
dense plover
it's likely to require you to get all 3 if it works like previous talents
but we dont actually know do we.....
this is what i went with initially
the fact that i can get oneths clear vision, convoke the spirits and new moon all at the same time is fucking awesome
i love all of those effects
also feline swiftness is pretty sick
also feels great to give a big FU to innervate
i dont use it and i dont plan to use it
i wish you could directly share the tree
im no longer upset that moonkin form is a talent
but it still is bad design
they could fix it by flipping starsuge and moonkin on the talent tree tbh
deep pawn
I'd say making absolutely sure noobs have a astral power spender at 10 is a bit more important
ember blaze
resto with both convoke and necro ability 😎
resto is just gonna be really good dmg wise in m+ arent they 🤔
they get thrash now
ember blaze
their crane should have stayed the same as pvp talent 😶
i hate the 3 stacks and use your dot thing
opaque pewter
but we dont actually know do we.....
Yes, it's in the official blog. It also makes sense since that's how you prevent being able to grab everything
cunning fossil
Damn WoWhead slacking
royal coral
New ptr build with skin files it seems ? allied races with preorder tomorrow ?
subtle oar
New ptr build with skin files it seems ? allied races with preorder tomorrow ?
Source?
royal coral
Twitter
subtle oar
https://twitter.com/casthaleigh/status/1533869336204562432
He says nothing about allied races
dense plover
its likely skins related to the drakthyr
theyre not going to add a new race AND allied race
and theyre not going to drop drakthyr with preorder
theyll come in the prepatch
and if they were going to do a preorder right now, they wouldve done it already
they arent dropping a preorder b/c they dont have a release date yet
rich elm
^ at best, its just them adding in assets for dragonflight, testing things out to see if it breaks or not, this way, when Dragonflight comes out, or 10.0, they just have to switch on a button and there would be no need for a longer patch and to try to avoid as much bugs as possible
dense plover
it could also be them finally splitting off some of the human skins that are directly tied to face shape
or adding scars to races that dont have them
i suspect there is likely to be some character customization stuff between now and 10.0, though probably pretty minor
ember blaze
nightborne players hoping for a tiny drop of customization
subtle oar
nightborne players hoping for a tiny drop of customization
You mean Pandas
cunning fossil
that'd be nice
I'd love to play as a broker no lying
and like
they can practically be every class
ust make Paladins and Priest use "First ones" magic
or something
rain cave
ust make Paladins and Priest use "First ones" magic
if goblins can be priests
brokers can be priests lmao
don't even need a special explanation
cunning fossil
Well the thing is that Brokers are usually non religious
rain cave
that could be fine
cunning fossil
Yeah that's what I meant. it made sense I feel
cunning fossil
When do u all think they'll put out one for the rest of the classes?
Also I feel like maybe they'll be in semi alphabetical order
And/or depends on the priority
Like, I would they want Demon Hunters to be out there ASAP
As they have few talents and abilities and specs
So that would mean that all their talent points will be naturally.more impactful
Unless they like
Add a lot of new stuff for them
Minor new stuff*
dense plover
my guess is we will see at least 2 this week
if not more
and we will get all of them or all of the ones they will be testing in alpha before alpha launches
deep pawn
I want alpha asap, and it still felt like it was close. If we only get 2 more tree's I'll be sad cause that hints at 4 more weeks
opaque pewter
Their tree could be many rank 2+ talents or passive damage gains. Could go either ways
ivory meadow
My one hope is that Blunderbuss makes it into Outlaw talent tree as the shotgun blast it should be and not the 3-burst
dense plover
I want alpha asap, and it still felt like it was close. If we only get 2 more tr...
its very possible we get 4 or 6 this week, just in groups of 2
like we could get stuff tues & thurs
rain cave
so are we still expecting preorders tonight?
dense plover
so are we still expecting preorders tonight?
i dont know why anyone was
bare minimum theyre gonna wait until late Q3 to pad their numbers if things are bad
ionic terrace
there's literally no signs
dense plover
^^^^
they havent pushed any changes to the supposed preorder items that would indicate theyre prepping for preorders
ionic terrace
plus there's no release date
i don't really remember if SL had a release date or not but I think so
dense plover
it didnt at first
but it had a release period
the problem here is they dont want to lock themselves to that
ionic terrace
mhm
dense plover
because if it needs to be delayed, they want to have the freedom to do that
they couldnt delay shadowlands past december without allowing carte blanche refunds for preorders
trail knot
dragonflight release 2022
subtle oar
Stop
dense plover
again - still expecting early 2023
feb or march
with prepatch either late nov or early jan
during which they provide a few months for everyone to play around with their talent trees
rain cave
