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deep pawn May 9, 2022, 3:50 AM

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Enchanters can go back to making wands, scribes trinkets.

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Alchemists are in a strong spot already having consumables

nocturne totem May 9, 2022, 4:16 AM

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Engineering seems to only ever be useful for wormholes every expansion lately

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And all old legacy perks

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 4:24 AM

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and brezzes as a profession

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and odds are they might be able to sell special helms again

ember blaze May 9, 2022, 4:30 AM

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nocturne totem Engineering seems to only ever be useful for wormholes every expansion lately

mounts

ancient jasper May 9, 2022, 4:36 AM

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Sadly we didn't even get a Blingtron in Shadowlands

dense plover May 9, 2022, 5:00 AM

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im hoping they find a way to make jewels more relevant with other professions - maybe some way to craft sockets onto raid-tier crafted items via an optional reagent?

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 5:08 AM

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Feels like Blizzard almost regrets gem sockets

dense plover May 9, 2022, 5:10 AM

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idk

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if they didnt make gems secondaries, it wouldnt be so bad

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giving them PvE world bonuses only could also work

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like 10% movespeed outdoors

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or leech outdoors

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or other such stuff

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or in raid bonuses

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etc

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i think having gems function differently based on content would allow them to be more balanced

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 5:16 AM

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dense plover like 10% movespeed outdoors

that exists, no one uses it cause stats

ember blaze May 9, 2022, 6:10 AM

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deep pawn Feels like Blizzard almost regrets gem sockets

or just embrace it, remove it from rng/rep ward, and have professions provide them

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have specific ones provide sockets in certain pieces, enchants like leech, etc

subtle oar May 9, 2022, 9:17 AM

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dense plover if they didnt make gems secondaries, it wouldnt be so bad

That would be awful

subtle oar May 9, 2022, 9:17 AM

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dense plover giving them PvE world bonuses only could also work

Both these would kill the profession

harsh wedge May 9, 2022, 10:28 AM

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Litterally most people would not care for the gems at all, and it would be "useless" to have the gems proc randomly on stuff

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At this point it'd be better to be a completely different system and keep gems as it is

rain cave May 9, 2022, 12:29 PM

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Enchants on gens with extra talent tiers

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Gems*

dense plover May 9, 2022, 1:18 PM

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subtle oar Both these would kill the profession

I don’t mean instead of existing bonuses. I meant like - gems having a bonus in raids and dungeons that’s separate from the world bonus so they can balance the bonuses but also allow for fun stuff when out in the world

rain cave May 9, 2022, 1:22 PM

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I hate instance bonuses

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I would prefer things be consistent

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Since the system you're proposing is basically shards of domination

wet lark May 9, 2022, 1:36 PM

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Jewelcrafting is a dead profession I got quite a few bis gems from timewalking

subtle oar May 9, 2022, 3:13 PM

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dense plover I don’t mean instead of existing bonuses. I meant like - gems having a bonus in ...

Or they could go back to static gem sockets on gear

vernal juniper May 9, 2022, 4:39 PM

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any chances for alpha today?

dense plover May 9, 2022, 5:03 PM

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subtle oar Or they could go back to static gem sockets on gear

What like colors? I mean - I already proposed the ability to craft on sockets via an optional reagent

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Right now jewels themselves are useful initially and then fall off once everyone has them. Some kind of change to keep jewelcrafting relevant is necessary

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Whether that means switching out gems, making them a crafting reagent, or something new

wet lark May 9, 2022, 5:05 PM

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Making sockets in gear would be awesome!!!

subtle oar May 9, 2022, 5:20 PM

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dense plover What like colors? I mean - I already proposed the ability to craft on sockets vi...

Yes like colours. I'd actually propose a return to tbc, with colored socketed and a meta socket for a really powerful gem. Only one meta socket can be worn. Jewelcrafters make the sockets and gems. Place a workorder to have your gear socketed

dense plover May 9, 2022, 5:21 PM

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I’m not against it tbh, especially if they make that socketable only in a specific item and only craftable

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You could easily do it in BoE or soul bound stuff with the new work order system

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Limitations are different now

subtle oar May 9, 2022, 5:23 PM

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Meta sockets make things soulbound so you can't make meta item and AH it. You have to plsce a workorder for it

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That way they can make the meta gem an impactful piece

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Like back in tbc, meta gems being pretty beefy

dense plover May 9, 2022, 5:30 PM

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They could also try to have a special gem that has a trinket like effect. You get one of them but since you could have them be added to an item via a work order they could potentially even have that socket added on raid gear

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Don’t think they’ll do that though

cunning fossil May 9, 2022, 5:46 PM

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vernal juniper any chances for alpha today?

I wouldn't hold my breath. They havn't even release Talent Calcs yet

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And they want those out BEFORE alpga

glass flicker May 9, 2022, 5:47 PM

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I'm expecting Alpha in July, at the latest.

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Have patience.

cunning fossil May 9, 2022, 6:06 PM

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Yeah

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I think they'll release the talent Calcs in Late May/Mid June

dense plover May 9, 2022, 6:35 PM

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This month for early talents seems likely

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But I think it’s very possible they’ll have heavy iterations every week

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And they might also launch with some specs not having them just so they can start testing

cunning fossil May 9, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Yeah they did say they want our feedback

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And you know WoW players

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Many...many feedback

nocturne totem May 9, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Talents are going to be the biggest make or break feature of the whole expansion

cunning fossil May 9, 2022, 6:39 PM

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Hmm

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I don't know

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I think it's gonna just be a mix

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Also it'll be very easy to get talents down if they kust listen

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And it's so easy to move talents down a roe, up a row, swap two ability faces

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Places*

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Like they do this every expac it'll be so easy

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 7:39 PM

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I'm hoping Talents this week, alpha last week of May

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I'll take a May 31st alpha even if they don't wanna do it Memorial Day weekend

glass flicker May 9, 2022, 7:57 PM

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I do wonder what abilities will be made baseline and what talents can you stack with each other. What is being removed. Etc.

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For example, could I, on a windwalker monk, have both Whirling Dragon Punch and Serenity? They're in the same row right now.

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It needs a lot of testing.

cunning fossil May 9, 2022, 8:00 PM

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I'm pumped

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I hope they can give us some sweet combo's that actually promote different builds

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Or slight variations and such

glass flicker May 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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Oooho.

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Imagine using both Rend and Massacre as Arms.

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I'm definitely pumped for that.

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Rend is your Friend. Massacre will leave them with, fuck, I need a word that rhymes.

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 9:05 PM

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I think precious little is going to be "baseline"

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you'll get to build your character though

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A level 10 druid for example looks like it'll have just mangle, swipe, wrath, moonfire, and regrowth.

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maybe ferocious bite as a finisher for cat

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something as simple as frenzied regen is a talent

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or rake.

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It appears that druids will get Rebirth and Stampeding Roar baseline, and specs get a couple baseline things as they level, but that's it

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Resto gets Tranq and Nature's Swiftness, Balance gets Starfall and Celestial Alignment. Bear is probably Survival Instincts and Berserk, and Feral will be Tiger's Fury and Berserk.

dense plover May 9, 2022, 9:38 PM

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I imagine you’ll get your basic rotation and then there will be required nodes that evolve that basic rotation but I think a lot of the optional or type specific stuff (aoe, off heals, off tanks, dots) will be optional or at least choices

vernal juniper May 9, 2022, 9:41 PM

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cunning fossil I wouldn't hold my breath. They havn't even release Talent Calcs yet

are the talens already in the game?

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 9:46 PM

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dense plover I imagine you’ll get your basic rotation and then there will be required nodes t...

Well if we go off the Balance druid preview, they get Starfire and Sunfire for free when picking their specialization, but starsurge is a talent(one they'll be expected to take but still)

dense plover May 9, 2022, 9:48 PM

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They did say some talents will be required

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I imagine starsurge is one of those

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Class doesn’t work without a regular spender

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It’s very possible the talent on there modifies base starsurge

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 9:52 PM

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nah, square is active

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the talent that improve starsurge is in the spec tree

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I suppose there could be something that forces you to grab it, I just don't see why anyone wouldn't

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but they example spent a point on it

dense plover May 9, 2022, 10:14 PM

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I also think they said the ones they showed were just art examples and weren’t the actual talent placement

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But I’m not sure

deep pawn May 9, 2022, 10:23 PM

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just that they were works in progress

deep pawn May 10, 2022, 1:31 AM

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well beyond a couple profession answers, nothing big.

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Probably not until Wednesday

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 2:41 AM

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vernal juniper are the talens already in the game?

no no not yet. They just want to provide a mock up of how the talents will look in the coming weeks

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in B4 Starsurge has a competitor

deep pawn May 10, 2022, 2:52 AM

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Technically you'd still have a spender in Starfall without it.

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 5:14 AM

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Of course

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So that way you can be the OMEGA AOE spec

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Never spend in starsurge and just buff starfall until it's maxed

deep pawn May 10, 2022, 5:17 AM

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oh Ion, please grace us with a preview tomorrow

ember blaze May 10, 2022, 5:43 AM

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I hope evoker mechanics means we might see that in other specs/classes in the future

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and shift away from just build 30 resource and click your spender. Repeat with your noodle fillers

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 5:53 AM

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Facts

vernal juniper May 10, 2022, 7:56 AM

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cunning fossil no no not yet. They just want to provide a mock up of how the talents will look ...

well I mean the basics talens are already on retail, if they want they can just go online with the basic talents

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 8:12 AM

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vernal juniper well I mean the basics talens are already on retail, if they want they can just ...

I'm not sure I'm following firend

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Are you asking if some of the ones on live right now will become talents in the future?

glass flicker May 10, 2022, 9:22 PM

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Okay, hot take.

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Let us mog shields to offhands.

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 9:51 PM

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Hmmm

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Not bad tbh

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It'd look wierd but that's subjective :0

glass flicker May 10, 2022, 9:58 PM

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WAI, we can literally tank naked right now.

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Changing a shield to a book isn't worse than that.

plain violet May 10, 2022, 9:59 PM

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There is some offhand that could look really cool...

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Mainly the "magic effect" ones.

glass flicker May 10, 2022, 10:00 PM

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I would want a dark iron dwarf tank with the tremendous tankard o' terror instead of shield.

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Just say he's pissed instead of blocking his shield.

plain violet May 10, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Ahah. That's a idea!

glass flicker May 10, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Shield Slam?

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Slap em with the mug!

plain violet May 10, 2022, 10:08 PM

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Torch tanking! Naaru lamp!

dense plover May 10, 2022, 10:23 PM

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i wonder if theyre going to bring back off tanking for shamans

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i dont imagine shields will come back

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but it would be interesting

cunning fossil May 10, 2022, 11:05 PM

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Would be fun

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I mean they got earth shield

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Maybe they give shield synergies a try

dense plover May 10, 2022, 11:06 PM

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well shamans used to have shields in the olden days

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thats more what i was talking about

deep pawn May 10, 2022, 11:06 PM

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they still do

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shaman prefer shields

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the ele/resto ones

nocturne totem May 10, 2022, 11:47 PM

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glass flicker Let us mog shields to offhands.

Hot take, let us mog 2h into 1h and make shields invisible

urban spire May 10, 2022, 11:50 PM

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nah that one is too far reaching

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it starts to ruin the themes of classes

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it would be weird for a prot warrior or prot pally to be two handing swords as then they are encroaching on part of the theme behind blood dks as well as removing their own

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it kind of doesnt make sense and that would start to fall more into class skin territory to

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I'd be fine with a class skin that let us have a prot pally or prot warrior that thematically uses two handers and then has its abilties like shield slam and avengers shield changed to fit the bill

nocturne totem May 11, 2022, 2:03 AM

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Prot used to be able to do an ashbringer bug for a long while

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Was really nice

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Also, we can transmog fish

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Theme is out of the door

glass flicker May 11, 2022, 2:11 AM

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nocturne totem Prot used to be able to do an ashbringer bug for a long while

Monks had a bug where they could mog their weapons to the brewmaster artifact separately and basically go fury warrior with staves.

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That was a lot of fun.

nocturne totem May 11, 2022, 2:15 AM

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You could do the inverse and mog Truthguard to Ret but it bugged out. Something made it actually function like a 1H and restrict abilities even though using Ashbringer on Prot or Holy did not restrict you from using Shield of the Righteous or 1H requiring abilities.

glass flicker May 11, 2022, 2:15 AM

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Huh. Odd.

nocturne totem May 11, 2022, 2:16 AM

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Just bug things

glass flicker May 11, 2022, 2:17 AM

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But my favourite bug has to be getting a texture bug from the rogue Survivor's Bag of Coins. Where you could use it to hit a wall, texture bug and DC, and slip through walls and other solid objects.

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I was just messing with people in Stormwind, sticking my mount's tail through walls and stuff.

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 4:28 AM

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rip, no build or dev post tonight

dense plover May 12, 2022, 4:48 AM

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deep pawn rip, no build or dev post tonight

probably tomorrow since dev build was recent

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 4:48 AM

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Oh, was there a vendor build today?

dense plover May 12, 2022, 4:48 AM

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yesterday i think

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lemme check

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today

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11:36am PST

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 4:49 AM

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I don't care when s4 comes beyond needing warning to get aotc mount, but I want cross faction pve.

ionic terrace May 12, 2022, 1:59 PM

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Thursday seems to be the ptr day for now

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 4:14 PM

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apparently the wrath classic beta was made somewhat available early

dense plover May 12, 2022, 5:57 PM

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https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1524800834130698242

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix)

woah what the heck, SPOILERS MUCH?

▶ Play video

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yeah its on the CDN

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it means beta probably in the next week or two

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with dragonflight probably not long after that for alpha

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 6:00 PM

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I guess Holly was wrong or was misleading

dense plover May 12, 2022, 6:16 PM

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?

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 6:26 PM

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she said in an interview about a couple months until beta

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 6:29 PM

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She may just not have estimated the time correctly. Could have been finalizing other things that made her tack on some time

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It should be common practice to say something will take longer than what it should

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So that then you run into snags, you're not scrambling for a deadline

dense plover May 12, 2022, 6:30 PM

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i mean, beta could be sooner

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 6:31 PM

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Well yes what I mean is that it should be nor.al for people to tack on 2 extra weeks on a release date

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Gives people time to work through any sudden issues

dense plover May 12, 2022, 6:32 PM

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its the Scotty Method

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in Star Trek IV, Scotty revealed that he always said he was giving her all she's got because that way he could crank her up another notch and come off as impressive

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its the same thing

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you say 2 weeks, it happens in 1, you look like a miracle worker

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 6:34 PM

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Yup

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Not a bad thing tbh. It tempers expectations while also coming off as potentially good PR when you come early

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Didn't known it came from Star Trek

dense plover May 12, 2022, 6:36 PM

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it probably doesnt

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but its my source for it

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i think the idea probably dates back much further

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probably early 1900s

jade basalt May 12, 2022, 7:15 PM

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deep pawn she said in an interview about a couple months until beta

I don't remember that, would you have a link?

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I remember at least 2 interviews where they said that alpha is coming "soon" and "very soon"

deep pawn May 12, 2022, 7:22 PM

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that's alpha, Wrath beta is something else.

subtle oar May 12, 2022, 8:27 PM

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Wrath won't need an alpha. Just a beta then launch

ionic terrace May 12, 2022, 9:35 PM

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build time soon PAUSERS

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 9:55 PM

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OwO

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Ayyy let's go

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Tell me what happens in 2 hours

opaque pewter May 12, 2022, 10:01 PM

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"Underpromise and overdeliver" is something that you hear often as a tactic. Though I suppose that makes you seem not very trustworthy in the long term

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 10:13 PM

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Well I feel like that's a sacrifice to gain good pr

ionic terrace May 12, 2022, 10:52 PM

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build is out

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~150 MB

subtle oar May 12, 2022, 11:19 PM

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Tiny build then

uncut lintel May 12, 2022, 11:19 PM

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tiny dee-z...

subtle oar May 12, 2022, 11:20 PM

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booba

cunning fossil May 12, 2022, 11:54 PM

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Lol

dense plover May 13, 2022, 12:02 AM

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social contract being in is good

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wish they gave examples of violations

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especially harassment

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also, i hope they actually follow through on reports with the new reporting system

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reducing toxicity would be huge for the wow community

rain cave May 13, 2022, 12:35 AM

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dense plover reducing toxicity would be huge for the wow community

I'd say it's not really an issue

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and any issues that do exist can be stopped with the block button

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if you care that much

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 1:22 AM

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Maybe if Blizzard didn't cap the stupid Ignore list at a low number

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 1:42 AM

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yeah, ignore list should be uncapped

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 1:53 AM

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rain cave I'd say it's not really an issue

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh wait you're serious.

I'm gonna laugh harder

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How big is the ignore list rn?

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also IMO

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Isn't it better to have these assholes out of the game completely?

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Rather than letting them fester in some fucked up corner of the community?

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Like why is everyone do afraid yo say "No. You're not allowed to be here and be an asshat. Go be an asshat somewhere else"

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Toxicity is 100% an issue in wow and it should be dealt with

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The re as on it's gotten so bad is because everyone has an "just ignore it" attitude

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Ignoring a problem does not make a problem go away

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"Well it's just the internet" yeah acknowledged but at the end of the day there are people who play that don't wanna get harassed or called names because they can't pull 8k DPS on a + 8

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 2:01 AM

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I think the Ignore list is like.. 50 people? 100 max? And 99.9% of my list is taken up by spammers and bot accounts who constantly make new characters to spam on and always have new accounts ready to spam on.

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 2:05 AM

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Yesh fair enough

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Could be 200

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I thinj

upper pasture May 13, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Didn’t they make blocking one character blocks the whole account?

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 2:13 AM

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Oh yeah iirc they did that

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A while ago

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:38 AM

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What issues does "toxicity" play in normal enjoyment of the game

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@cunning fossil

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I don't like the idea of banning people from enjoying a pass time just because you don't like them

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Since to me that's what it boils down to

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If somebody is getting mad in a battleground or something who cares

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Just grab popcorn and enjoy the ride

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It's kind of fun to watch somebody go off their rails insulting people and being nasty

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Since they're most of the time just making a fool out of themselves

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But yeah I'm just not a fan of thinking you know better in terms of what people are allowed or not allowed to say, you can have a personal reaction to it, hence the block button or just talking to them. But working official punishment in to something like WoW over something so subjective is just strange

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Instead of WoW being a game open to anyone it creates an "ideal player" that blizzard want you to be

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Be a good consumer, don't say anything on the no list!

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:49 AM

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while that all sounds fine and makes sense, l dont fully agree, if someone tells me to "go kms and fuck my dog" l dont think he deserves to play this game, let alone be let out of his house

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:49 AM

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If somebody told me that I'd laugh

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:49 AM

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not everyone's got a thick skin and people like that ruin others fun and mood

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:49 AM

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Block them then

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:50 AM

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being a asshole has to have consequences

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:50 AM

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It does

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It's called being blocked

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:50 AM

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that's no consequences

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:50 AM

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If nobody wants to interact with you can't do anything with others

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In an mmo that's a massive consequence

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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How about an “asshat” counter? Once you get reported enough for being toxic you get booted to a realm with the other jerks?

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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l'd rather have him banned so he can't interact with no one anymore

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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U can’t stop them from playing, so make them play with themselves?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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crimson jasper l'd rather have him banned so he can't interact with no one anymore

That's just unfair in my eyes

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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rain cave That's just unfair in my eyes

life ain't fair

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:51 AM

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bold granite U can’t stop them from playing, so make them play with themselves?

This is decent, Dota does that in a way

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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If you're an asshole you don't deserve the right to make other people miserable with your bullshit. Case closed.

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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if you tell someone irl what an idiot he is you most likely get a fist in your face

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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Not true

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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Really? Imma have to look that up

glass flicker May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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I can't wait to see how many ERPers get banned for adult speech, lol.

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They may have to do it over Discord now.

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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Erp?

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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let alone if you harass someone irl

glass flicker May 13, 2022, 2:52 AM

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No.

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:53 AM

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l have no tolerance for such people

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:53 AM

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The thing is, if some random in WoW can fuck you over with random insults

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That's not just their problem

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That's you too

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:53 AM

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I get that, and I have been on the receiving end of that cause while I love feral, I suck ay it

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But if they pay for the game they should be able to play it

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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take another example then, very simple one, you get called the n word and other racial insults

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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I laugh

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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l think that has to have consequences

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no

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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So make them play with themselves

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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It's just words idc which words

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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Nope. It's a them problem. If you can't be civilized to people you play with in a game you can GTFO.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:54 AM

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The most cutting words aren't ones you can rank

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:55 AM

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Also, I don’t see anyone in chat who steps up to tell them it’s not cool

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:55 AM

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crimson jasper if you tell someone irl what an idiot he is you most likely get a fist in your f...

Eh, no. If you jump to violence for being called names IRL, you are the one in trouble.

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM

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l stand with if you are an asshole, you are out, human decency is something everyone should have

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM

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Like if you go to a teacher and day they aren't good enough at their subject to get a real job and that's why they teach. That cuts harder than just calling them a random insult

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It's not about what words

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That's not how you define an asshole

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM

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subtle oar Eh, no. If you jump to violence for being called names IRL, you are the one in t...

for racism? not really

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anyways

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:56 AM

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And even then, somebody is only an asshole to certain people

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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l have no place for human trash, neither irl nor ingame

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Racism is a different sort of subject though imo

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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crimson jasper for racism? not really

Yes, even racism. Being racist isn't a crime. But, you didn't see for being racist. Your example was being called an idiot.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:57 AM

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crimson jasper l have no place for human trash, neither irl nor ingame

This is exactly the mentality you claim to hate

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Don't be vindictive

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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l can be, and if someone is being an ass, he gets shot

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ez as that

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aka consequences

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Just ignore idiots

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Uh.. o_O

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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crimson jasper l can be, and if someone is being an ass, he gets shot

You go to jail then.

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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That’s not a good mentality my friend

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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why do you think words like "retard" etc are banned on the most servers?

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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It will cause you more harm than them in the end

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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should l just laugh it off?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Either try to reason with somebody or ignore them, or egg them on to see how far they go

bold granite May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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No but you don’t meet words with violence

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Any update on 9.2.5 release?

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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Most is a strong word. It certainly is banned is a good chunk of discords, but not most.

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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bold granite No but you don’t meet words with violence

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crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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"violence" in this case is wanting them banned

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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At the end of the day words are words, they don't cause harm

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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bold granite Any update on 9.2.5 release?

Also this. This discord isn;t the place for this discussion

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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ofc l exaggerate with saying "shoot them"

rain cave May 13, 2022, 2:59 AM

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If you care enough just block

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They give you the tools to fix the problem there's no need to waste company time trying to fix it more

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:00 AM

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All I'm hearing is you don't want consequences for being a shithead, Saint.

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 3:00 AM

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ignoring doesn't solve anything and doest teach them that it's not ok to be an arse

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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ancient jasper All I'm hearing is you don't want consequences for being a shithead, Saint.

There already are consequences

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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if a child spits at another one in school they get suspended

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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rain cave At the end of the day words are words, they don't cause harm

yes they do lol

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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It's called not having anyone who likes you

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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if you fuck up at work you lose your job etc

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ah well

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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Being put on Ignore isn't a consequence.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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Yes it is

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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... No, it isn't.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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Why not then

crimson jasper May 13, 2022, 3:01 AM

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got some work, enjoy the rest of the discussion, laters^^

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:02 AM

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Imagine if none of your friend group talk to you

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:02 AM

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The person being a jackass is still allowed to continue on to the next person they decide they want to be a jackass to. Therefore no consequences whatsoever.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:02 AM

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They just stop listening

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That's a punishment

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A consequence

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:02 AM

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......

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:03 AM

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Everyone you interact with has potential to be ajackass

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 3:03 AM

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ancient jasper ... No, it isn't.

The issue is, it is and isn't. The two of you have different views of what punishment or consequences mean. You believe it can only be institutional consequences, Saint believes in interpersonal consequences.

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:03 AM

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This person isn't being rude to their own friends. Therefore that analogy is... yeah. No.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:03 AM

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Just assume the best, and observe any evidence of the worst, if you don't want to interact, block

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No harm

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They can keep shouting in their bubble till they sober up

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:04 AM

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@subtle oar If someone can literally be a complete asshole to you in a game and get away with it there are NO CONSEQUENCES.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:04 AM

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Because the best way to stop people being asses is to make them realize people think they're an ass

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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the best way to reduce is to offer a punishment

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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ancient jasper <@366849435336048641> If someone can literally be a complete asshole to you in a...

Again, you two just do not agree because you two are operating from different OPINIONS.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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Banning them just makes them hate the game

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They'll still be an ass

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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Saint believes in interpersonal consequences. You believe in institutional consequences

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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if we go by riot game's, punishment reduces ppl do things again

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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Thinking someone should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want is a bad opinion.

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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If someone is getting banned for being a in general waste of a human being, I'm fine with them leaving and never coming back.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:05 AM

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If everyone they interact with blocks them, maybe some self reflection is in order

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 3:06 AM

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ancient jasper Thinking someone should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want is a bad op...

Eh, to each their own.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:06 AM

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deep pawn If someone is getting banned for being a in general waste of a human being, I'm...

Bad mindset

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This is effectively just superiority speak

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:06 AM

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I'm sorry, I'm not gonna tolerate someone with slurs in their name and drops them constantly in game

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They can be excluded by society

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 3:06 AM

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This is getting heated and destructive, so I'mma dip.

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:07 AM

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@rain caveyeah that doesnt work

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:07 AM

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You aren't better than somebody just because of their vocab choice

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Nobody is above anyone else don't stray from that

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:07 AM

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If you are attacking someone for what they are and cannot change, that is not vocab choice.

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It isn't gamer language, it isn't anything other than not belonging in a modern world.

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If they can't keep their mouth shut, they suffer the consequences.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:08 AM

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Mate there's no such thing

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It's always been a modern world

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Your topic can be agreeable but the mindset is borderline Orwellian

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:09 AM

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Maybe if Blizzard had an unlimited ignore list I'd be okay, but otherwise, they need to learn to be decent people or just go away.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:10 AM

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Blacklisting is bad, inherently

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We want to minimise it as a society, no?

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:11 AM

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The social contract is pretty minimal asks of people. I have 0 issues with people who break it getting banned

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:11 AM

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There's no harm in letting these people shout till they're out of breath in a chamber

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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theyre not entitled to ppl listening to their abuse

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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Yeah nobody has to

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Block button

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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you know what else

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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Then ask Blizzard to make it unlimited.

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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TOS

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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You seem to be IGNORING the fact that Blizzard hasn't upped the Ignore cap in 15 years

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:12 AM

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Yes

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They should do that

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:13 AM

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@rain caveyoure coming at this like ppl are entitled to throwing out abuse

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if blizzard doesn't want it, then they dont

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most players dont want it

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:13 AM

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They're entitled to speak, not to have anyone listen or accept them for it

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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yeah they do

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have the right to speak

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like we all do

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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It's a private company's servers. They are not entitled anything

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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They just dont want people to casually throw out slurs

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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This isn't a public square.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:14 AM

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I know that Kyle I'm talking about best case

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The best the internet's had to offer is that grey zone

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Ideally, companies wouldn't police their games

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That's a fact

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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that's not an option and never will be and you know it.

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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and why is that ideal?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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It was an option for longer than it wasn't tbf

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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specially when we're talking about a game

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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ember blaze and why is that ideal?

Because why is it good to have it

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:16 AM

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nope, people were getting banned for being racist jerks in vanilla

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:17 AM

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Not talking about just WoW

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:17 AM

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It.. sounds a bit like you want anarchy, to be honest.

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 3:17 AM

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then i dont see a point in taking part in this convo lol

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specially when we're in a wow sub

rain cave May 13, 2022, 3:17 AM

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ancient jasper It.. sounds a bit like you want anarchy, to be honest.

No

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This is just speech not actual rules

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If somebody extended the issues into gameplay, such as going afk in a big if they found out that their healer was of a certain race

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That's literally just disruptin gameplay

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I'm of the mindset that, in an egg and spoon race, as long as you aren't running around destroying the eggs, and are participating with fairly. You should be able to play

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After all, WoW is a game

ancient jasper May 13, 2022, 3:30 AM

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An MMO, yes. You don't have the right to be rude to other people. Just because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed doesn't mean other people deserve to deal with your crass attitude.

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In the end: People have made enough noise that Blizzard realizes that allowing toxicity to slide isn't going to work anymore.

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:54 AM

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glass flicker I can't wait to see how many ERPers get banned for adult speech, lol.

ERP is totally different.

Unless it's unsolicited of course. Like. If you wanna be kinky make sure your partner is ok with it and are 18 damn. We're all (mostly) adults here

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Oh Jesus christ

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Are we really doing the "Well just block them:

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I LITERALLY SAID THAT WAS THE ISSUE

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Stop hand waving these people

glass flicker May 13, 2022, 3:54 AM

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cunning fossil ERP is totally different. Unless it's unsolicited of course. Like. If you wann...

Huh. I thought cursing in general was forbidden.

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:54 AM

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Stop giving them a pass to be pieces of shit

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:55 AM

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glass flicker Huh. I thought cursing in general was forbidden.

I think that'd be silly nice th game isn't E for everyone.

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:55 AM

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glass flicker Huh. I thought cursing in general was forbidden.

technically profanity is a bannable offense

glass flicker May 13, 2022, 3:55 AM

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Fair enough! I hope everything turns out fine in the end.

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:55 AM

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the filter doesn't excuse it

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But it is used mostly to uphold player reports

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:56 AM

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I getcha

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:56 AM

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rain cave Block button

Saint. The block button is not a solution

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Stop acti b g like it is

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These people deserve consequences

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You can't go around in a game that is supposed to be a way yo relax and destress and fucking tell people to off themselves or call them slurs

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Like seriously why do people think that not allowing people to say those types of words is "Muh Freedoms being taken away"

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Such brain rot

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It's not your freedoms being taken away. Freedom of Speech =/= Freedom from consequences

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The consequences of being an ass hat is a ban

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 3:58 AM

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A lot of them grew up never facing consequences for their speech and are now angry the world doesn't tolerate it.

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:59 AM

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Should've thought about what you said before you said it

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:59 AM

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deep pawn A lot of them grew up never facing consequences for their speech and are now ang...

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

I have never heard the N or F words as much as I did when listening to a WoW Rage video compilation

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So yeah I see where that mentality comes from

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:00 AM

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rain cave I don't like the idea of banning people from enjoying a pass time just because y...

It's not that I don't like them. It's that they're telling me to off myself and go suck genetalia

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:01 AM

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why is this a discussion? because theyre making toxic speech reportable?

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thank god

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wow is so toxic

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maybe this will help

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:01 AM

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I don't get why it's a debate either Peach

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Legit

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:01 AM

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or at least hide it

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Like everyone is like "LOL just block"

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Blocking doesn't stop it from happening

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It just makes you ignorant

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And even THAT is limited

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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blocking also doesnt result in that person not ruining someone else's day

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Exactly

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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if a person is toxic, blocking them is just passing them on to the next person

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Just stop that sort of shit at the root

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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one report wont get them silenced

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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^^^

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:02 AM

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its when they get 10 or 20

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and at that point, thats a serial problem

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and you can get silenced or suspended

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because 1 person shouldnt be allowed to make 10+ people have a worse experience without consequences

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:05 AM

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Yes literally yes

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The only people complaining about it are those who have never experienced it or are doing it

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And if you dare have some sort of identifier or are a bit too open

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You're subject to all kinds of shit jokes

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He'll even if you say you're a girl in WoW you're gonna be made fun of and objectified so like

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:06 AM

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my big hope is that since you can report for voice chat now, that problem will handle itself

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:07 AM

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TLDR for me: I hope these guide lines make it so that our community's quality is just better and more inclusive

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Fuck those asshokes

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They can go back to CoD

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:07 AM

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lots of people are gonna lose voice chat privileges and sure, theyll move to discord, but that just means you only join groups using ingame voice

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or groups you trust ofc

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:07 AM

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Yeah exactly

dense plover May 13, 2022, 4:08 AM

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you cant fix the problem completely, but if you can make it so that the problem is less severe and generally infrequent, then i consider it a success

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 4:08 AM

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Right exactly

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That

strange falcon May 13, 2022, 5:23 AM

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cunning fossil TLDR for me: I hope these guide lines make it so that our community's quality is...

The problem is gonna be enforcing this "social contract", as i said the last time this was brought up, league of legends has the same thing, but it has done very little to lower the toxicity in that game.

If its not enforced, its just a textwall you can skip

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 5:24 AM

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I think it's just to make the guidelines more clear

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not that it's gonna reduce toxicity on its own

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you gotta punish people for that

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 5:25 AM

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Yeah exactky

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That's what I'm hoping

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 5:26 AM

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if you trust riot, punishing players reduces the chance they re offend

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and it doesnt have to be an outright ban

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 5:28 AM

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Right

strange falcon May 13, 2022, 5:34 AM

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Given blizzards track record on anything reporting related and how deeprooted the issue is(and encouraged and fostered by the game design itself, a quick example being: keys depleting only breeds frustration, toxicity and gatekeeping, it brings nothing positive at all)
And how their latest effort against boosters didn't really do anything

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I dont think this contract will be meaningful

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 5:38 AM

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Well I can fucking hope can't I?

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Better than nothing

strange falcon May 13, 2022, 5:40 AM

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cunning fossil Well I can fucking hope can't I?

Im on Hopium crushing duty 😂

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 5:52 AM

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Whatever

deep pawn May 13, 2022, 6:22 AM

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it seems to be an effort. We'll see how it works

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I hope the advertising line means all is banned now except selling actual items in game that are tradeable in trade chat

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 6:58 AM

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Right

rain cave May 13, 2022, 10:51 AM

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I've played a lot of mobas, MMOs, and been in some shady discord servers, I can tell you that the solution to somebody being a Dick is to just laugh them off or ignore it

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I'm not saying no consequence for being a Dick

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The consequence in my eyes should always stay interpersonal

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It's just a slippery slope once this kind of system starts

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Look at twitch

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Their rules are extremely unreasonable and ripe for abuse

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And from what I've seen it was a better platform before those were in place

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Also, from experience. WoWs community really isn't toxic

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There's a lot of kinship going on

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It's very rare to come across somebody legit being a Dick

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But if you start officially banning people for saying no no words, what happens to some of that banter that isn't "toxicity"

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E.g the anal spam

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I'm not defending people being assholes, I'm just saying it's kind of bad in my eyes to start cutting people off of their leisure activities over some words. It implies some form of superiority over them

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If every game was like that it's effectively a social credit system.

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Whereas just not policing social interaction is the better rule, instead focus on other things to try improve the game

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Add commends to the game, so players people like to play with stand out on queues

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Instead of trying to subtract why not encourage addition?

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Reward being good, but if you're being an ass the consequence is still big despite it being interpersonal

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:27 AM

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The systems that you fear so much are already in place, in a ton of companies.

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Blizz included.

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League's toxicity has improved compared to what it was way back then

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:29 AM

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I still don't feel like the guy who just throws slurs at me all game should be banned

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:29 AM

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They punish people for toxicity, and they reward good behavior

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:29 AM

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if anything he's entertainment

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also that's the thing WoW lacks

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is the reward

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people too focused on the negatives

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where's the 'renewal' mindset at

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:30 AM

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you say as youre bringing up slippery slopes that dont exist

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and ignore the positives that come from punishing bad behavior

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you might find getting called the hard R entertaining

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:30 AM

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you call it bad behaviour

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:30 AM

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but that's just YOU

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:30 AM

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that's YOUR PoV

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you think it's bad behaviour

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I, don't care

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others might find it normal

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others might think it's fine

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so what gives your opinion more weight on this

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especially when the act itself is harmless

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letting people be dicks if they want to is not evil

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not to mention people who want to be dicks can just be dicks without text chat

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or voice chat

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:32 AM

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nobody said it was evil

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you make up all these random things that never happen

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:33 AM

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what are you gonna do about the guy who's actively healing you as little as possible?

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but not saying anything

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I just don't like moral superiority arguments when it comes to harmless shit like this

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Dota's system seems fairly tame, and it works well

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:35 AM

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now we shifted from words to something like inting games by trolling

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:35 AM

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very rarely do you get banned for chatting shit, it's more about your overall game experience with somebody

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:35 AM

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this is a waste of time engaging with you 🛌

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:35 AM

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if people don't like playing with you behaviour score goes down, then you interact with people in that bracket more often

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:35 AM

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rain cave I just don't like moral superiority arguments when it comes to harmless shit lik...

what moral superiority?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:36 AM

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ivory meadow what moral superiority?

by saying "these actions are bad, and you will be banned for them" even though all that's being said is words

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words are entirely neutral

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imo

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I'd say use the effort to try and police things that actually influence the game

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instead of random people popping off in chat

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:37 AM

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rain cave words are entirely neutral

this doesn't mean they can't be horrible to hear or say.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:37 AM

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then block them!

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or tell them that

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respond how you want

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you have just as much power to chat as they do

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and you can ignore them whenever, all blizz should do it make block list infinite

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:38 AM

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rain cave or tell them that

you know that's not how that works; people tend to be very stubborn about how they act and pretty set in their viewpoints and attitudes.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:39 AM

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ok so?

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you can still try if you want, or not try at all

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:40 AM

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@ivory meadowi highly suggest not to waste your time

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:40 AM

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instead of asking the megacorp for help policing the no no words, take it unto yourself to control what you want to see

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:40 AM

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and what about other people?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:40 AM

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wdym

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they also have a block button

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and text chat

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:41 AM

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the words are already said and people can be harmed by those words; why do you think cyber-bullying is a thing?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:42 AM

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I don't think it's really an issue is what I think

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I don't see words as harmful

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the meaning behind them can make people feel shit sure

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but that's not harm

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:42 AM

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dude.

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people die from this shit.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:42 AM

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I disagree

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unless those words were coming out at over 150db volume point blank to their ears

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@ember blaze give me an example of when words have harmed somebody then

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:44 AM

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an abusive parent

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:44 AM

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?

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I mean just words

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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an abusive parent

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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Words are inherently neutral yes, but can be charged to be positive or negative, hateful or inspiring, depressing or uplifting.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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being beaten by your parents is not words

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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You fail at understanding the concept of that.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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no I fully understand it

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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do you?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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but I also undeerstand them as subjective

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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who said anything about beating

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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and not real

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:45 AM

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it's very clear you dont even understand basic concepts

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:46 AM

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I understand things very well thank you

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:46 AM

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wait i remember you made up a definition about events

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because you didnt think online events ar real

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:46 AM

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what are you smoking?

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that discussion was me finding it weird that the race to world first was an event despite it not really being an event

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it was never about definitions

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

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btw, go read about emotional abuse

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

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just a weird quirk of the community I found strange

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

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learn a thing or two

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

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emotional abuse isn't words

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it's actions

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so

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:47 AM

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typing is an action

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:48 AM

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it's a method of expression

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:48 AM

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😂

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:48 AM

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actions can directly affect others, words, cannot.

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I'd rather incentivize people to act nicer than try condeming everyone who said a naughty word to the blacklist of the internet

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because that naughty word list is ever changing, whereas being nice is universal

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:49 AM

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rain cave I'd rather incentivize people to act nicer than try condeming everyone who said ...

that's extremely naive, not ignorant, just naive.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:50 AM

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how so

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since here I thought people didn't like the american prison system

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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telling others to act nicer is a good thing overall but there are gonna be some people who are just not gonna vibe with that.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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ok and so they suffer consequences

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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and how do you think that happens?

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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they get ignored

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or not taken seriously

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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no.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:51 AM

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nobody wants to interact with them

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it's punishment

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I do not like it when the devs step in to interfere with the community

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as basically a blanket statement

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again valve has a pretty good track record with this

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:53 AM

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the community don't have any options to deal with people who just gonna be general shitheads.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:53 AM

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TF2 was effectively unmoderated

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and has a phenomenal community

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:53 AM

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ivory meadow the community don't have any options to deal with people who just gonna be gener...

block button if you care that much

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:54 AM

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not looping back to this, but i'm gonna focus on the fact that you think people don't die from cyber-bullying.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:54 AM

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unless they hacked your pacemaker

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I don't see how

balmy gate May 13, 2022, 11:54 AM

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You lack empathy.

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:54 AM

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I'm compassionate, just not naturally empathetic

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and that isn't my fault

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I try to be as empathetic as I can

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 11:55 AM

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PopPopcorn

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:55 AM

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it's difficult

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 11:55 AM

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this isnt 9.2.5 talk GASP

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:55 AM

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I'm very humanist in my ideaology, just not emotionally

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I am aware I can come off as jaded though, but it's difficult, what am I to do if I just don't have the feeling?

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e.g. my friend was having a breakdown all I could do was sit next to him stone faced trying to think of how I can reassure him

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 11:57 AM

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food always works

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:57 AM

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anyway that's off track

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:57 AM

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pretty sure theres a condition for that

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what was it

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sociopath

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 11:57 AM

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rain cave e.g. my friend was having a breakdown all I could do was sit next to him stone f...

did you do... anything or did you sit there?

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 11:58 AM

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im so confused

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Prayge

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:58 AM

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ivory meadow did you do... anything or did you sit there?

I gave him reassuring words best I could, let him know I was there for him and tried to give him supportive presence

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:58 AM

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@uncut lintellove your art btw 🙂

rain cave May 13, 2022, 11:59 AM

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he appreciated the effort I know that much

ember blaze May 13, 2022, 11:59 AM

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I take it that's how your ingame will look like? 🤔

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 11:59 AM

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ember blaze <@216765193047375872>love your art btw 🙂

blushcat

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JELLYCAT, JELLYCAT, OH MY FUTURE JELLYCAT, YOURE MADE OF SLIME, AND YOULL SOON BE MINE, CatJam

rain cave May 13, 2022, 12:00 PM

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but yeah I'm not a sociopath I still feel emotion, it's just difficult when it comes to some more empathy driven areas

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and again, not that I don't feel it, I just don't have reactions to it or know how to act

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Sympathy I'm fine with though

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:01 PM

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rain cave but yeah I'm not a sociopath I still feel emotion, it's just difficult when it c...

people who think u dont cry at something or get worried all da time think u have no emotion, its just dumb, not everyone has the same emotions and mindset Prayge atleast u tried to comfort that is more than most ppl would do Shrug cant force out emotions

rain cave May 13, 2022, 12:02 PM

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I'm just confusing even to myself

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:02 PM

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hell i never cried at a funeral LUL

ivory meadow May 13, 2022, 12:02 PM

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same.

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:02 PM

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comforting a friend i find harder tho, online and irl, u can only do so much Prayge

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no idea why u guys were talking abt this but i just sayin wut i think

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thought this chat was talking abt how ppl have no empathy for wow characters LUL

rain cave May 13, 2022, 12:03 PM

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I went to help another friend who was going through some serious tough shit, like depression/almost suicidal level. Genuinely felt sorrow/empathy even if I can't express it much.

came home got on VC and started joking around instantly with other friends and in a good mood again

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it feels like I have no emotional intertia

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:05 PM

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rain cave I went to help another friend who was going through some serious tough shit, lik...

u went home and was in a good mood again, thats not rlly a bad thing u shouldnt let urself become sad and depressed over what someone else is going through no offence, but atleast ut ried to comfort them in the first place Prayge i understand they r a friend tho idk how to explain sorry if i sound idiotic

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@cosmic beacon wake up nerd

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:05 PM

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Fight me loser

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:05 PM

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i cant im feral

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:05 PM

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Tru

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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PepeHands

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cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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Anyway I’m at work meeting stuff WICKED

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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lol

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loser

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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Ez money tho

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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not enough

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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For like no work

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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wait

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but r u gonna work throughout 9.2.5

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:06 PM

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£10 an hour to sit in a room and listen

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Free food and drinks

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:07 PM

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WTF

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I WANNA BE HIRED

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what job u at

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mcdonalds manager

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?

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:07 PM

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Bruh

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No I’m kitchen staff

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Sorting out stuff for when our place re opens

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:08 PM

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mcdonalds kitchen staff

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nice

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:08 PM

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Deadge

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Ur just mad u broke

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:08 PM

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sure

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:08 PM

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weirdge

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

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weird

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

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Aren’t u a lesbian tho so why would u say that Deadge Deadge Deadge Deadge

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

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just to mess with u

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i like getting on peoples nerves

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

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Bruh

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Well I aren’t getting on mine

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

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is it working

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fuck

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mommy optimus prime

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@cosmic beacon ok cya in florida tho during 92.5

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and dragonlfight in 2023

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cant wake

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:10 PM

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Florida?

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:10 PM

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evekr

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evoker

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:10 PM

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cosmic beacon Florida?

im mvoing

cosmic beacon May 13, 2022, 12:11 PM

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Damn

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Not to EU?

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Deadge

uncut lintel May 13, 2022, 12:12 PM

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nosadyl

subtle oar May 13, 2022, 1:33 PM

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uncut lintel JELLYCAT, JELLYCAT, OH MY FUTURE JELLYCAT, YOURE MADE OF SLIME, AND YOULL SOON B...

Jellycat!

cunning fossil May 13, 2022, 3:53 PM

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rain cave I still don't feel like the guy who just throws slurs at me all game should be b...

That's really fucked then. It just means you're ok with slurs being tossed around

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Jesus christ

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ALRIGHT THAT'S IT. CONVO IS OVER. If it keeps going, someone (me(is gonna accuse people of something untoward.

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ANYWAYS

How bout that ne we Voidealker mount

glass flicker May 15, 2022, 2:13 AM

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With no borrowed power in Dragonflight, do you reckon they'll add another gold sink mount like the Longboi?

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I'm honestly expecting a Dragonriding NPC. Maybe a repair vendor.

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Or maybe a mount with a quest tied to it like the Shadowlands preorder wyrm.

cunning fossil May 15, 2022, 2:14 AM

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Could be interesting

glass flicker May 15, 2022, 2:16 AM

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Imagine. "Scales of Galakrond: Your Dragon becomes tainted with undeath" following a quest.

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And that'd unlock a new dragon customization option while being a gold sink.

upper temple May 15, 2022, 12:06 PM

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glass flicker With no borrowed power in Dragonflight, do you reckon they'll add another gold s...

Barbershop mount ? 😄

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with all the customizations they added in the game it would make sense imo

ember blaze May 15, 2022, 11:19 PM

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Mailbox

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And bank

nocturne totem May 15, 2022, 11:41 PM

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After the brutosaur please no more mounts like that with functionality

upper pasture May 15, 2022, 11:44 PM

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I think a post office mount would be pretty neat but we’ve got so many toys to get mailboxes

soft flower May 16, 2022, 1:11 AM

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Have there been any leaks or hints about the pre-order bonus?

cunning fossil May 16, 2022, 1:19 AM

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Not so far

deep pawn May 16, 2022, 1:32 AM

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just that the mount has dragony spell effects that change color

crimson jasper May 16, 2022, 3:56 AM

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last I remeber was that it is "green" effects not color changing ones

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which hey, that'd be even better

deep pawn May 16, 2022, 4:36 AM

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There was 5 encrypted effects

cunning fossil May 16, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Were*

deep pawn May 16, 2022, 5:08 AM

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https://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/there-are-plurals-and-then-theres-plurals

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Turns out I'm just a bit less formal and it works when you consider something a single grouping.

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English loves to break its rules.

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Not being pedantic. I was just very curious as to why the way I wrote that didn't feel wrong and turns out there is.

dense plover May 16, 2022, 5:14 AM

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were is definitely the more correct option

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was in that context is essentially slang

cunning fossil May 16, 2022, 5:17 AM

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Don't worry Kyle I'm trolling haha

deep pawn May 16, 2022, 5:17 AM

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When something has existed for centuries, it's just becomes a more natural way of saying it sometimes. 😄

cunning fossil May 16, 2022, 5:17 AM

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I do slang all the time. It's the AA in me xP

deep pawn May 16, 2022, 5:20 AM

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I hope the build this week is actually a juicy one, or at least a talent preview

cunning fossil May 16, 2022, 5:24 AM

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I want talent preview so that I can build Hybrid Survival hunter and Damage focused healers

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:(

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GIMME THE FUN STUFF BLIZZARD

ember blaze May 16, 2022, 9:08 AM

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no way dmg focus healers are happening

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 9:11 AM

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Fistweavers are still crying about it.

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Disc priests are confused right now.

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 9:27 AM

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Anyway...

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I hope we get more of Tong the Waiter in Dragonflight. Wrathion destroyed his tavern back in MoP and dipped.

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Let's have him come back with a vengeance.

wet lark May 16, 2022, 9:44 AM

#

#

#

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 9:45 AM

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Oh gods.

subtle oar May 16, 2022, 9:53 AM

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wet lark

GIB!

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rooMadSlam grump

wet lark May 16, 2022, 9:54 AM

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subtle oar GIB!

What

subtle oar May 16, 2022, 9:55 AM

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I want that panda dragon so much

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 9:57 AM

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Oh-f course.

wet lark May 16, 2022, 9:59 AM

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Yu'lon Panda!

strange falcon May 16, 2022, 10:35 AM

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wet lark

I didnt know it could get more cursed than the initial reveal of this race

rain cave May 16, 2022, 11:54 AM

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wet lark

that orc isn't feeling great

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 11:57 AM

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Bring the multiple hair colour options to regular races too next.

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PLEASE.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:01 PM

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I want more hair styles in general tbh

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give me some long wild looking dreadlock style hair for dwarves

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and humans even

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jack sparrow style

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

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Human females still have no braids. Undead males have no sideswept styles. Only orc males have a "I didn't shave for a few days" beard look with the grime.

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Bring that for other races.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

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orc eyebrows?

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

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Thrall only.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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#FreeTheBrow

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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I'll do you one better.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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oh yeah some more longer hair options for tauren would be cool

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like the aformentioned dreads

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make a hippy cow

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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Retexture some of the WoD era models for races, to hold a candle to the BfA ones.

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So many bad textures, expecially on hands.

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You sometimes can't tell if they have fingernails or not.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:04 PM

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nightborne beards

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:04 PM

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Troll beards.

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Undead beards.

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Undead upright posture.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

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goblin beards

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

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Not sure of that one.

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Maybe mustaches.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

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why not beards

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

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Not sure they're capable of them. xD

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But a mustache? Long a twirly? Fair game.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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like orcs aren't capable of moustaches

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lol

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they're condemned to chin straps

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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Same as blood elves before BfA, lmao.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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but yeah troll beards is a good one

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I want some more tattoo options for trolls too

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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I want a more regal look for humans, night elves, nightborne and undead.

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Give them some rings or body adornments like blood elves got.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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also I will say that the troll tattoos are noticeably higher res than the underlying base model

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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With the bracelets and stuff.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

#

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they look so crisp on top of the base texture

glass flicker May 16, 2022, 12:08 PM

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rain cave also I will say that the troll tattoos are noticeably higher res than the underl...

Yup. That's why I said update the WoD era textures.

rain cave May 16, 2022, 12:13 PM

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there are some nice troll looks tho

Troll_Male_Warrior_-_Ceremonial_Leather_Garb_-_Wowhead_Dressing_Room.png

opaque pewter May 17, 2022, 6:04 AM

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It doesn't look like the body mesh texture will go assymetric this expac

glass flicker May 17, 2022, 9:26 AM

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Champien! Quick! Azeroth is in danger agane! Go collect 100 Dragon Scales, 20 Titan Toenails, the Remnant of the Void from the Emerald Nightmare raid, upscaled in difficulty and one sandwich! Hurry, champien!

mighty wolf May 17, 2022, 11:57 AM

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and 74790 apexis crystalls. not 74791, cause' dis will be too many

sleek solar May 17, 2022, 12:26 PM

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Champion! The Jailer has returned, and now Azeroth is in grave danger! But you can aid the Horde and the Alliance by giving your creditcard number, the expiration date and the 3 numbers on the back. But you have to be quick, or the Jailer will succeed and ALL of Azeroth will be destroyed

cosmic beacon May 17, 2022, 12:43 PM

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70k Alexis isn’t enough

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Gotta be at least 200k

dense plover May 17, 2022, 11:25 PM

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new PTR

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they added diablo immortal BNET icons

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oh boy

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thats a dungeon rotation

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all of the mega dungeons

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XD

dense plover May 18, 2022, 1:05 AM

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also - there have been multiple wrath builds this week - it is likely alpha/beta for wrath classic is coming very soon

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 1:18 AM

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so fated is only for the last 2 bosses and not the whole raid?

upper pasture May 18, 2022, 1:20 AM

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no?

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its just their itmlvl is higher than the rest

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like its always been

dense plover May 18, 2022, 1:24 AM

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^^^

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last 2 bosses have had higher ilvl this entire expac

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if anyone goes to test the new affix, bring a demon hunter and see if demon sight works

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 1:40 AM

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I don't think it really matters. The dreadlords are everywhere

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people are averaging 10 stacks or so by end of the dungeon so 20% secondary of your choice at the end

dense plover May 18, 2022, 1:49 AM

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im just curious if they paid attention

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especially since theyre in dungeons where that effect already did stuff i think (karazhan)

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 1:56 AM

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I think the dreadlords have a debuff you can see

dense plover May 18, 2022, 2:01 AM

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they do

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im just hoping they make it so you can see them with the buff

languid yoke May 18, 2022, 5:00 AM

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the only legion dungeon I remember having sth for DH is CoS

dense plover May 18, 2022, 5:05 AM

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pretty sure karazhan did

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 5:16 AM

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how hard is karazhan

dense plover May 18, 2022, 5:22 AM

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hard to say with it being totally retuned for being 2 separate dungeons and now again for M+ in a different version of wow

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 5:23 AM

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ember blaze how hard is karazhan

Can your teammates stop casting for a few seconds on the medivh boss?
If the answer is no, then the dungeon is very hard

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 5:37 AM

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what about the draenor dungeons?

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see a lot of people calling them bad 🤔

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but i never played during that

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 5:59 AM

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Is main stat on Azerite armor in Season 4 gonna make up for the missing secondaries or is Azerite armor going to be removed from the loot table in season 4?

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Was just checking out dungeon loot for Season 4 and noticed that Mechagon (head/chest/shoulders) loot isn't gonna have secondaries and Karazhan loot isn't gonna include any weapons.

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:23 AM

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@bitter stonegoing to assume none of that is gonna be there

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cause azerite armor requires heart of azeroth

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and that's also tier slots

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and it's old expac stuff

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:27 AM

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yeah, just didnt have the opportunity to run keys on ptr, cause i can't play without any of my addons working kekleo

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i mean dont need azerite bonuses, could just be more main stat on it

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:28 AM

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and that means replacing the current expac tier sets for old expac gear with features disabled

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:31 AM

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cause i can't play without any of my addons working
the entire community would be in shambles if blizzard broke most addons to fix the overreliance on DBM

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😂

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:32 AM

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everyone becomes LFR only players

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:34 AM

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@strange falcon it's not even dbm. i'm healing and for me it's mostly just basic functionality like mouseover macros, unitframes etc. would take me hours to set up the default ui to a level i would consider playable.

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most of my manual macros didnt carry over to ptr. using clique for many mouseovers, etc.

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:35 AM

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again,if they're serious about their willingness to fight dbm, then you gonna have to settle for the new UI rework in next expac 👀

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:35 AM

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are mouseover macros required anymore with the clickable option in-game now

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:36 AM

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ember blaze are mouseover macros required anymore with the clickable option in-game now

you dont understand, it's about the "i've been using this for 10years, and the thought of having to learn something else does not make brain give happy chemical, so i will do everything in my power to not do it"

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:36 AM

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@ember blaze i think u can make them work just fine now. but i have mine set up in a specific way, so they don't interact with player models. havent tested the new clickable option yet. just had a 9 month break.

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:36 AM

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same reason most ppl have this as the #1 excuse for why they dont go to play other games after they've been playing the same one for 10years(this includes mobas, mmos, fps, any genre)

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:37 AM

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didnt bother with macros on a new alt cause of the update

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:38 AM

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strange falcon you dont understand, it's about the "i've been using this for 10years, and the t...

true

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the community has gotten pretty reliant on all these addons

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though it doesnt help that some are somewhat required

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I do use the base ui though

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only thing i ever needed was something to track spells

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and dots having a cd over them

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:39 AM

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current base UI is terrible when you're mythic raiding or pushing high keys

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but excited to try out the new UI

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:39 AM

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i do/did both of those

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and i always used base ui

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:40 AM

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true, but the reason it hasnt been updated is because the devs themselves have gotten over reliant on players doing it for them(ElvUI and the sort) and got lazy,

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:40 AM

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strange falcon true, but the reason it hasnt been updated is because the devs themselves have g...

it's why im really excited with 10.0

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:40 AM

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what have they been paying UI designers for 10 years for

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:40 AM

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@ember blaze base UI is fine, but if you're healing with base frames for example, you're just missing out, imo

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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strange falcon what have they been paying UI designers for 10 years for

honest question I had when I heard a ui designer position in their video 🤔

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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i just dont like them at all

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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what is there for them to do in this game

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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ember blaze the community has gotten pretty reliant on all these addons

"pretty reliant" is a big understatement imo 😂

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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I never liked how addons made my ui look

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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i mean, imagine mythic raiding without weakauras. good luck. mechanics are desinged with these addons in mind...

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:41 AM

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i mean

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:42 AM

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especially if you ever had to raid lead a mythic raid. gonna be fun without timers.

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:42 AM

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it helped with some abilities

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but I personally just memorized things

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:42 AM

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since WoD, raids have started being designed with addons already in mind, and those addons(weakauras and dbm mostly) have grown and evolved since WoD, which causes an arms race between raid designers and addon makers

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that blizzard has already lost from the start

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especially in shadowlands, a lot of fights even on heroic are close to impossible without WA/Dbm

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:43 AM

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that sounds a bit tough 🤔

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i havent raided since castle nathria

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after quitting

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:44 AM

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the latest raid is most guilty of it, made 2 top guilds quit 😂

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:44 AM

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lol

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was that really one of their reasons?

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:44 AM

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it was "the ever increasing requirements to raid" and the length of the race

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mostly

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like even echo took a months break or more from wow altogether after that race

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:45 AM

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world first race is just very unfair without the resources the top 2 guilds have 🤔

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:45 AM

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I think the biggest issue Mythic raiding has, is the logistical nightmare and the time investment to be competitive at the highest level.

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:45 AM

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ember blaze world first race is just very unfair without the resources the top 2 guilds have...

the top 2nd guild limit/liquid, had to surrender the 2nd spot, because they were way too burned out

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they got 4th i think

bitter stone May 18, 2022, 6:45 AM

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Personally I'd prefer 10man mythic raids over 20 mans. it's a nightmare to maintain a roster of 20.

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:46 AM

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bitter stone I think the biggest issue Mythic raiding has, is the logistical nightmare and th...

just put in masterloot, and you remove 90% of splitruns, ez solved

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:46 AM

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bitter stone Personally I'd prefer 10man mythic raids over 20 mans. it's a nightmare to maint...

real and true

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i knew like half the raid 🤔

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so basically raiding with strangers

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and you might even be shifting through multiple people

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:47 AM

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strange falcon just put in masterloot, and you remove 90% of splitruns, ez solved

the time investment and the logistical nightmare is both caused by the side systems and the personal loot

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:47 AM

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I like personal loot 😄

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:47 AM

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ember blaze i knew like half the raid 🤔

i can confirm i knew like 10ppl at best, because the remaining 10 were interchangeable

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:47 AM

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ember blaze I like personal loot 😄

i dont see why we cant have both

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:48 AM

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feel like it might become more popular to use

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:48 AM

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if blizzard are so afraid of pugs using it to bully each other for loot, just make masterloot guild only
it's that easy

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:50 AM

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i think they also mentioned something like, bringing 20 warriors or something

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and just funneling loot like that

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:52 AM

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only the top top guilds are gonna do that,
too many choices from blizzard only affect the 0.1% but fuck over the entire playerbase
too many

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aoe cap? only made for MDI, not the general playerbase

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removing masterloot, same thing

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GCD on most abilities(was most bad in bfa) but its still bad on some classes now, same thing

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:57 AM

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strange falcon only the top top guilds are gonna do that, too many choices from blizzard only a...

yeah, but they dont want to bring it back cause theyre still considering them

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:58 AM

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strange falcon GCD on most abilities(was most bad in bfa) but its still bad on some classes now...

who is this a problem for though

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i agree some were stupid, like on tank abilities

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But if you can just macro 5 abilities into one button

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then 🤷‍♂️

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:58 AM

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ember blaze who is this a problem for though

i believe top pvpers were using 1 button macros to oneshot people, especially on fury warrior

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 6:58 AM

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yeah, that is bad

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and if current classes have 5 CDs that they need to press before they can play the game, then that is a problem with class design imo

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and blizzard should instead get creative and give them fun abilities 🤔

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 6:59 AM

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blizzard has never been good at balance in the first place, and not even just in the game, you see this with the latest "Oh we're totally changed guys!" ploy that they had to backtrack immediately the same day due to backlash

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same with the "turning women into fruit" they're overcorrecting far too much

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 7:00 AM

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ember blaze and blizzard should instead get creative and give them fun abilities 🤔

that would require effort, you expect them to put in effort?

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 7:01 AM

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like im looking at my rogue alt, and sub doesnt look like its anything different from the other 2

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with any real theme

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and it has 3 cd abilities

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i feel like the more cds you got, shows how blizzard just ran out ideas for your spec 😂

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:19 AM

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I fully support making master loot a guild only option. Group loot would be nice to have for pugs tho

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:20 AM

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more than 2 guilds have quit. I think we're up to 6 or so HoF guilds disbanding?

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:20 AM

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Choose between default personal loot or a legacy group loot system

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:20 AM

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Others are rebuilding half their roster

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:23 AM

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MrGM said in a recent video that we might be getting a new allied race with pre-order and Hazel interview with Ion vaguely mentioned player housing

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:25 AM

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there's been leaks about an allied race. Ion says housing is something they know players want but they want to do it right so not any time soon

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:25 AM

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Any speculation on what the race might be?

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:26 AM

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Nope. Most common guess is Darkfallen Undead due to the coming Lordaeron questline

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Last we saw of Calia Menethil is she wanted to do something to help the Dark Rangers that Sylvanas abandoned.

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:27 AM

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That would be pretty awesome. Other people also mentioned Lordaeron might become a sanctuary

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:27 AM

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I'm not overly keen on more elves, just undead.

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:28 AM

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Think it would be a customization option for undead. All the perks of being undead but an elf

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Cannibalize corpse with an elf would be interesting

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:30 AM

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Nah, some of the dark rangers are alliance side.

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So it'll have to be allied if added.

wet lark May 18, 2022, 8:31 AM

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Neutral race ooo

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Sin'dorei or Ren'dorei dark rangers

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 8:32 AM

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wet lark MrGM said in a recent video that we might be getting a new allied race with pre-...

they already said "no plans for player housing", they only gonna do it if 10.0 is a flop because it takes too many resources

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:44 AM

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Plus the fact their engine doesn't let you place things anywhere

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I don't know if they'll lock a darkfallen race to night elves on alliance and blood elves on horde but who knows.

cosmic beacon May 18, 2022, 8:45 AM

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They should use an engine that wasn’t made during the middle ages yep

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:46 AM

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I mean, it's not like player housing was some being experimented with back in 2004 in other MMOs. How could they have known eventually it'd become a standard feature.

cosmic beacon May 18, 2022, 8:49 AM

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Well surely at some point they thought maybe in almost 20 years time our engine might not keep up with everything

deep pawn May 18, 2022, 8:53 AM

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I honestly don't think they had any plans to be here still.

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Probably wasn't until wrath they figured they'd be around a long time.

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 9:15 AM

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deep pawn Plus the fact their engine doesn't let you place things anywhere

i know they've been making changes to the engine, over the years, but they've been mostly minor, they'd need to rewrite a large part of the engine to make this work, they could have done that over time as a side project, but doing it all at once takes too many resources, that it becomes unlikely to even pursue as a project in the first place

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when they can push out 2 storemounts and make up the losses for sub money that having player housing would bring back

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 9:23 AM

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deep pawn I mean, it's not like player housing was some being experimented with back in 20...

is this actually true?

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did everquest have housing

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idk any other ancient games at the game

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club penguin had housing and that's from 2005 😂

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toontown from 2003 also had housing

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starting to look like a blizz problem

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 9:27 AM

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ember blaze starting to look like a blizz problem

a lot of things are a blizz problem, but some times they can shift the blame to other things

wet lark May 18, 2022, 10:50 AM

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cosmic beacon They should use an engine that wasn’t made during the middle ages <:yep:67970940...

UE5 is currently being tested and is insane

rain cave May 18, 2022, 11:53 AM

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wet lark UE5 is currently being tested and is insane

idk if unreal engine would work well as an MMO engine though

subtle oar May 18, 2022, 11:56 AM

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wet lark UE5 is currently being tested and is insane

Please no. WoW in UE will lose all its playful charm

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 11:58 AM

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rain cave idk if unreal engine would work well as an MMO engine though

to my knowledge, there were mmos in UE3, but UE3 was also not that great, and most if not all of those mmos failed

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 1:13 PM

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Ashes of Creation will use ue5

subtle oar May 18, 2022, 1:17 PM

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Ashes doesnt look good

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And is promising too much to be able to deliver on

languid yoke May 18, 2022, 1:26 PM

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still waiting for them to show the beast race that can look like 20 different animals

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 1:26 PM

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i'll judge it when it's out

languid yoke May 18, 2022, 1:26 PM

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tippiFirret

opaque pewter May 18, 2022, 3:15 PM

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Changes in an engine is a lot more work than people account for. Especially on a 15+ one
Especially game engines, since they're typically one-off projects

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You've probably heard stories about change attempts on the bag 0 slot count, or character equipment array. Those perceived "small" changes have so much work tied to them

strange falcon May 18, 2022, 3:26 PM

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I know the changes to add 4 bagslots to the main bag, broke almost all of the damage scaling in legion raids
Bosses were unkillable on normal

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😂

subtle oar May 18, 2022, 3:39 PM

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Lol wut

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How

opaque pewter May 18, 2022, 3:43 PM

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Blizzcon engineer corner gave these kind of inside view. I loved hearing about it, because as an engineer maintaining a now 14 year old codebase, I can relate a lot

ember blaze May 18, 2022, 3:43 PM

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time for blizz to embrace ue5 😂