like some are
#beta-ptr-spoilers
upper pasture
What if they “have no current plans” for mission tables for dragonflight because the mobile game for WoW they are working on is pretty much a mission table that works outside of expansions and will become “evergreen”
ember blaze
What if they “have no current plans” for mission tables for dragonflight because...
pet battles
upper pasture
Idk, I’d kinda low key be disappointed if they’ve worked this long on pet battles mobile or even mobile mission tables
ember blaze
why?
and it doesnt have to be pet battles as they are
just like ion said
they way things are arent good
and you could do something like setting up defense who knows
an auto battler would be fun
upper pasture
Oh? Did he talk about the mobile game?
ember blaze
about pet battles
upper pasture
Ah, I see. Well I hope it has something to do with our accounts and isn’t solely another mobile game with nothing to do with WoW but just the namesake or theme
ember blaze
Ah, I see. Well I hope it has something to do with our accounts and isn’t solely...
why?
i just think youre just limiting opportunities if you have to tie it to wow
upper pasture
Because what would be the point of a WoW mobile game when it doesn’t do anything for your WoW account?
ember blaze
cause theres a ton there you can use for standalone stuff?
upper pasture
That’s great but why would WoW players care about it then?
ember blaze
why do they need to
upper pasture
It would then just be another mobile game
ember blaze
it sounds like you want them to force wow players to play it
upper pasture
Because Blizzard wants us to care about it?
ember blaze
you might require player power to play a mobile game
that aint the only means to make one
nor will players like being forced to do it
upper pasture
No but if it’s a pet battler system that lets me level my pets away from my computer that would be nice
But if it’s a pet battler system that doesn’t do that. I wouldn’t be playing it
Because why would I?
If it’s mission table that lets me do mission table away from computer that would be great. If it’s some strange game that has nothing to do with my actual account why would I bother playing it?
If it’s something that doesn’t tie into our accounts why are they making such a big deal about it? They wouldn’t.
ember blaze
yeah your view is just very narrow and focused on it having some influence on your character
at that point why waste any resources on a mobile game when you can just do it within the game
upper pasture
Not character persay but account
ember blaze
if it';s some mini game to level pets, might as well ahve it be a feature within the game
cause leveling is shit as it is
zero point to make a mobile game for it
and dedicate resources for it
upper pasture
To have people spend time doing WoW stuff away from their keyboards when they can’t be at their computers obviously
ember blaze
m+ mobile when
upper pasture
Seems like you’re the one with a narrow view
ember blaze
i'll just pray to azeroth it has zero ties to my character where i'm forced to do it, and not because it's fun on its own
upper pasture
That’s the thing if it’s pet battles you aren’t “forced” to do it because you can also level them up in game. It’s not the only way to do it it would just be another way to do it.
It also creates the opportunity for outside engagement for the game and can on a rare occasion spark a conversation.
ember blaze
sounds like mission tables
upper pasture
You never know you playing on your phone might spark someone’s interest and cause them to look into it and or look into WoW when they probably would have never looked into WoW. 🤷♂️
ember blaze
you know what else could do that better
upper pasture
Some witty thing
ember blaze
a game based around wow that's fun to play for anyone that doesnt have a wow account
upper pasture
But that’s the thing, that wouldn’t make them create a WoW account just a whatever mobile game account
ember blaze
the only reason i even entertain the idea of pet battles is the possibility they do some interesting mechanic or gameplay for it
upper pasture
But if you wanted to collect the battle pets you needed a WoW account to travel Azeroth and collect them. Sure maybe the system will give you a few to start with but to get all the “extra” pets you’d have to get them in WoW
opaque pewter
It's better for that potential target audience to have the two separate. Maybe a bonus will be awarded for linking accounts, but I don't think a tied progress should be in scope. At least not this early
strange falcon
they have the "same" thing in league, and it really didnt do anything to tone down toxicity as far as i know,
though someone that plays league more actively may be more helpful
nah you never gonna quit wow, as the bald man says "you know it, i know it, everybody knows it"
you guys gonna be sorely disappointed if you keep hyping yourselves up for things that are your own fanfiction
"you dont have to be the best covenant" "you dont have to get your second legendary" "you dont need to have 4set" and whatever other reason that in reality, are totally the opposite, because pugs demand it and a lot of guilds do too
ember blaze
they have the "same" thing in league, and it really didnt do anything to tone do...
they do? All I know is that they say punishments work and reduce offences
though you have a few psychos with 300 accounts who just dont care
strange falcon
they have a whole "do you accept to be whatever in the league community" or some shit, popup when you boot up the game
strange falcon
they do? All I know is that they say punishments work and reduce offences
as with literally everything from botting to RMT, just a simple text dump so they can say "oh but we did this" isnt gonna do shit,
moderation/enforcing the rules to a point where it is a net negative for the people doing these things is actual effort
botting in classic/tbc is still a big problem, because their ban waves are too few and far between, so the botters recoup their losses easily even after being banned
plain violet
Yup!
cosmic beacon
Looks like you can do it on any difficulty aslong as the affix is active
Cause no way my guild is clearing through all hc 
plain violet
Ahaha, yeah it seem LFR is doable too.
cosmic beacon
Idk what they mean by abilities
Like how good they are ingame?
Or irl disability kinda stuff
strange falcon
how well they can play the game i guess, in terms of like "1 hand" or "deaf" etc
cosmic beacon
Ah ye figured
deep pawn
They might mean just physical stuff, but leaves themselves open to moderate how ff14 does
Especially regarding things like damage meters
this falls apart because m+ isn't really locked out. I assure you the first two weeks of the expansion even casuals ran all 8 m0s. If there are 20 bosses that drop 304 ilvl loot, there will be people killing all 20.
strange falcon
They might mean just physical stuff, but leaves themselves open to moderate how ...
as i said, actual action and enforcing the rules is how you do it, if all their "action" is just putting up a text wall when you log in, its not gonna do anything
deep pawn
they've been really good about the advertising stuff based on how often I get notices that action was taken
I do hope they go full on and ban ALL advertising like that hints
strange falcon
they've been really good about the advertising stuff based on how often I get no...
advertising is done on lvl 1 character most of the time from what i remember, so not much lost there
deep pawn
It's a combo, if spamming in chat, yeah, level 1s, in the dungeon finder that's level 60 haha
subtle oar
Hopefully not
strange falcon
It's a combo, if spamming in chat, yeah, level 1s, in the dungeon finder that's ...
it is the same value comparison i said earlier, if by the time they get banned, they recovered their losses if not made a profit, then you are effectively failing at stopping it, which is why botting is still a big issue especially in classic/tbc
deep pawn
The new social contract is also coming with the updated reporting systems
deep pawn
Hopefully not
Like having it come from lfr is that different than normal.
dense plover
as i said, actual action and enforcing the rules is how you do it, if all their ...
Well, they’re adding a bunch of report options which makes enforcement a lot more feasible
Right now for most reports you have to say “other” and manually type it. That won’t be as much of a problem
subtle oar
Like having it come from lfr is that different than normal.
It shouldn't come from lfr
deep pawn
It's just a mount, probably can't even fly
subtle oar
Shouldn't be available via lfr
harsh wedge
But why shouldn't it be available in lfr ?
deep pawn
Hurts their ego if people get it they consider unworthy
harsh wedge
Difference between lfr and normal is minimal anyway, especially if it will be with content that has been out for months / more than a year
rain cave
I'd say that LFR and normal are leagues apart
subtle oar
Hurts their ego if people get it they consider unworthy
How about you drop the ad homs?
deep pawn
Then give me another reason that a mount for doing the fated raids shouldn't be from lfr too.
deep pawn
I'd say that LFR and normal are leagues apart
If anything normal is easier
Most arguments I hear about keeping things out of lfr and such is "If it's not exclusive it's boring"
opaque pewter
I suppose you can have it dropped elsewhere or a lesser version of it. It could be changed to dropping after the expac, similar to the fire cat druid pouch. After all, many of these mounts are farmed by people after they're strong enough to solo the content
rain cave
I don't see difficulty as exclusive
subtle oar
Then give me another reason that a mount for doing the fated raids shouldn't be ...
I don't have to give you a reason not to attack people who disagree with you
rain cave
I don't have to give you a reason not to attack people who disagree with you
I swear you only enter chat to be passive aggressive now lmao
subtle oar
????? He attacks me and I'm somehow passive aggressive?
rain cave
How did he attack you
subtle oar
Hurts their ego if people get it they consider unworthy
No. Your blatant ad hom aside, LFR has been a sounding failure, further contributing to ilvl and difficulty bloat. LFR should have all gear drops removed and only be for casual players to experience the story, awarding an LFR transmog set upon completion of all wings. Nothing more than that. Current LFR encourages some very degenerative gameplay to a same but different extent as Mythic. If you've ever stepped into Current LFR, you'd see how unbelievably toxic and entitled those ppl are. I would not wish an LFR run upon even my worst enemies. So that, is why I do not believe the slime cat should be awarded from LFR. I'd encourage players to find a good normal lvl guild and just enjoy the content without the lfr degeneracy.
subtle oar
How did he attack you
This is why I have you blocked.
rain cave
Jesus Christ
upper pasture
The only toxic people I run into in LFR are the highly geared people who like to flex their ilvl on the “lesser” players
rain cave
I've never met toxicity in lfr
It's just a face roll
Lfr doesn't harm anyone it just let's people experience content casually
upper pasture
I’ve also run into a lot of toxicity in guilds where there’s a weird disconnect between the “normal” players and the “elite” usually ended in people being left out because they “don’t know the fights” or “we don’t like them” where it’s pretty simple to teach people the fights in normal
subtle oar
The only toxic people I run into in LFR are the highly geared people who like to...
People purposefully pulling a boss before everyone gets there to lock them out, chat that puts Barrens and trade chatvto shame, kicking players for shots and giggles, etc
rain cave
Sounds like a cherry pick from one time
upper pasture
Weird, usually my LFRs are pretty silent
rain cave
Since I've never heard or encountered anything like that
upper pasture
People usually only speak when spoken to in lfr
But then again I’m not saying that’s all the lfr experience since I’m not everyone
rain cave
But you don't have to do lfr if you don't want either
Also your proposed solution doesn't fix the issues you stated
upper pasture
But when I see people pulling bosses or acting a fool I inspect them and usually it’s the mythic gear people doing the silly stuff
subtle oar
Weird, usually my LFRs are pretty silent
Exception, not the rule. Every time I've stepped into lfr on an alt has been absolute hell. The amounts of toxic trolling, purposefully trying to prevent people from getting to the boss, purposefully getting people killed for "fun"
Lfr is a hellscape
rain cave
Then don't play it if you don't like it
But most people never have that issue
If anything it sounds like you care too much
It's fucking lfr
Just go with the shitpost
Lifegrip people into mechanics
subtle oar
Lots of "Blocked messages"
strange falcon
Tbf a big way to combat ilvl bloat, would be to make LFR "storymode" and it doesnt drop gear, or if it does, its cosmetic.
Normal/hc stay the same
Mythic either drops the upgraded appearance but its cosmetic, or drops upgraded appearance but its same ilvl as HC
upper pasture
Idk, I think they should just do rewards like torghast rewards where you get rewards from the lower difficulties if you clear it on higher. Then put the mount on lfr and something on each step and let people decide if they want to put in that much effort for the things and people can get the mount that was supposedly a community voted mount
rain cave
Why you got to be so spiteful? Maybe you're the toxic one, whose forgotten to have fun @subtle oar
I'm being serious
subtle oar
Tbf a big way to combat ilvl bloat, would be to make LFR "storymode" and it does...
100% agreed. Lfr and Mythic should both only be cosmetic.
strange falcon
Lifegrip people into mechanics
Swapblaster has always been fun, tbf
rain cave
Exactly
subtle oar
Swapblaster has always been fun, tbf
With a group of friends. Intentionally killing some random player whose just there to get gear or see the story is horrendously toxic
subtle oar
Lol
upper pasture
I mean, you’re literally seeing it in real time right now. It exists
plain violet
It's cool that the slime cat will be in LFR raid.
rain cave
People who complain about toxicity are just as bad as the ones they complain about
Imo
subtle oar
I mean, you’re literally seeing it in real time right now. It exists
Yup. And Saint is the toxic one, defending toxicity
rain cave
See my point
strange falcon
Legion raids had a lot of pits, especially memorable being the ones in ToS, maiden of vigilance and Kiljaeden.
I dont have "cutting edge kiljaeden" because on the kill night, i swapblasted the tank off the edge right after he moonfired the boss and caused a wipe more than halfway through the raidnight
And got kicked from the raid for the rest of the fight, 100% worth it, but no cutting edge :(
rain cave
I've done nothing to draw your ire except try engage with you legitimately on things you disagree on @subtle oar
And you block me and act snarky about it
upper pasture
Welcome to the internet
rain cave
I'm not defending toxicity, I'm just saying that it's overblown
subtle oar
I block trolls and toxic people.
rain cave
What are you gonna do about toxicity? Removing it removes fun
Because everything genuinely fun involving multiple people can involve toxicity
I'm neither
subtle oar
What are you gonna do about toxicity? Removing it removes fun
"Removing toxicity removes fun," what a nuclear take
rain cave
Read the rest
subtle oar
And you wonder why you're blocked
celest moss
I mean some things people consider toxic is fun but they take it to heart
upper pasture
I mean, sometimes you just gotta not take everything so seriously and you’ll be fine
rain cave
Exactly
I'm having so much more fun in Dota after I stopped thinking and caring too much
Just have fun play your best
subtle oar
I mean, sometimes you just gotta not take everything so seriously and you’ll be ...
Didn't think I'd ever see you defend toxicity. That's a sadge
upper pasture
Not every boss owes you loot, not every vault will give you BiS, not every conversation is about you.
upper pasture
Didn't think I'd ever see you defend toxicity. That's a sadge
Weird take but okay
celest moss
agreed
strange falcon
Didn't think I'd ever see you defend toxicity. That's a sadge
Since we're not using english, this conversation is getting a bit weirdchamp tbh
rain cave
People call me dense and I can be but Bai has gone full on hateful wall
subtle oar
Not every boss owes you loot, not every vault will give you BiS, not every conve...
This is true. But as a player who pays their sub, they deserve not to not deal with toxicity
rain cave
Nobody deserves anything
If you engage with other people, you're opening yourself up to their actions
If you don't like somebody it's still in your power to block them
upper pasture
And you can, by blocking people or simply not engaging with people who are known to be toxic. Hell half the reasons I don’t look for a real guild is because have had so many toxic interactions with guilds I’ve decided to just lfr it and will try again one day.
rain cave
But removing any possibilities of negative interaction makes the game worse
And I have basically taken my own stance that I'll only block scam bots
Because to me nothing warrants a block
strange falcon
I can say that you have to go for the middle in terms of searching guilds, too casual or too hardcore/elitist will only give you toxic wasteland guilds
I've always gone for "casual mythic" as its called, which is "we have fun, and maybe we even clear mythic idk"
upper pasture
Because to me nothing warrants a block
I mean, there are things that I’ll block people for. But mostly it’s people being derogatory and rude to other people.
rain cave
I got kicked from a casual guild I was in because I made jokes at the expense of some other players performance
subtle oar
And you can, by blocking people or simply not engaging with people who are known...
Blocking only goes so far. Those ppl still get into your lfr run. They still cause grief, they still purposefully fuck with you and ruin your fun. Defending that by saying, "Just don't take it seriously," is part of the problem.
rain cave
Like really trivial shit too
Joking about somebody missing a vial in nathria for example
rain cave
I mean, there are things that I’ll block people for. But mostly it’s people bein...
Fair enough it's your policy 👍
That's the beauty of it
You don't have to interact with people you don't want to
But ofc the only way to know you don't want to is to have experienced it already
celest moss
it honestly sounds like you have forgotten that this is a game and not a job
celest moss
exactly
celest moss
you
subtle oar
??????
Pointing out that others intentionally are toxic and try to ruin other people's fun, is forgetting its just a game
Lmao
rain cave
You're in here complaining about somebody pulling a boss in lfr, a game mode you also imply you don't care about and don't want
subtle oar
It is
rain cave
It's like entering a tf2 trade server and getting mad at people being friendly and not fighting
deep pawn
Removing lfr does nothing for ilvl bloat when it's normal that is the previous season mythic
subtle oar
If you intentionally try to ruin someone else's fun, you are 1000% toxic
rain cave
Ok so explain pvp
slim river
pvp realms??
cosmic beacon
pvp realms??
they dont exist in retail
celest moss
or just don't do the content
slim river
ah
rain cave
PvP is literally players trying to stop others from progressing
subtle oar
pvp realms??
Those don't exist anymore. Blizz realized how toxic it can be and separated it into its own mode
deep pawn
Lfr has been pretty chill this expansion
rain cave
You can't have fun without stakes
cosmic beacon
pretty sure they made warmode for more than just toxicity
celest moss
pvp servers being toxic is hilarious to me
subtle oar
Lfr has been pretty chill this expansion
Maybe the few times you did it
slim river
pvp servers being toxic is hilarious to me
haha yeah
celest moss
you join them knowing what you are getting into
rain cave
This is Warcraft not sunshine and rainbowscraft
slim river
if u willing join it and complain about the pvp then wtf
celest moss
yup
slim river
warcraft literally has 'war' in it's name it's meant to have that aspect
subtle oar
Removing lfr does nothing for ilvl bloat when it's normal that is the previous s...
It is. Have 4 difficulties, all thar have to give drastically higher ilvl each tier, is bad. Making lfr and Mythic cosmetic only will drastically reduce ilvl bloat
rain cave
I wonder what baifengs opinion on elden ring is
slim river
oh god
celest moss
why remove the reward for higher difficulties?
if you do the content you should get better gear
rain cave
Mythic ilvl gear is also there for progression
As you down more bosses, get more loot
They get easier
Imagine if mythic was being done on heroic ilvl gear all the time
Basically prog difficultly all the time
And also there's no incentive to finish it more than once
strange falcon
Basically prog difficultly all the time
The bosses would get nerfed over time just as they do now, wouldnt be a big difference
subtle oar
why remove the reward for higher difficulties?
Hi, I used to be a cutting-edge mythic raider. I can confirm this is a growing sentiment withing the mythic raiding community. Making exclusive cosmetics for mythic only and making it so everyone has access to the highest lvl of gear (heroic) would be a very good solution.
rain cave
I disagree
celest moss
I hard disagree
celest moss
gear is already accessible to everyone, if you want better gear do harder stuff
rain cave
They're already trying to fix ilvl bloat by making older content relevant for longer
celest moss
exactly
rain cave
Which is a better approach than removing content
upper pasture
Well this certainly devolved
subtle oar
the harder the thing, the better the reward
True. That's why exclusive mythic cosmetics and no higher lvl gear, is preferable. Go all out on the cosmetics, pure bragging rights and also make it so everyone has easy access to the best gear (heroic, pvp, m+) is such a huge improvement and would make the casual player a happier player.
rain cave
The casual player wouldn't see any of it
upper pasture
Let’s be real tho, this patch lfr is pretty much cosmetic only since you can get gear up to 252 in ZM and you can get your tier set from sand worn relics too
rain cave
Since they'd only be playing lfr
upper pasture
True. That's why exclusive mythic cosmetics and no higher lvl gear, is preferabl...
I don’t think that would be the worse thing to happen honestly, I know a lot of players who’d feel complete if they had BiS H gear
subtle oar
I don’t think that would be the worse thing to happen honestly, I know a lot of ...
Right?
upper pasture
Yes, but we also have so many levels of gear each patch, normals/heroics/mythics/normal raid/heroic
And that’s just group content
subtle oar
I still talk with a lot of mybguild, who all gave up mythic with SoD who all keep saying they wish heroic was the highest ilvl
upper pasture
Burnout is real but also just be happy with what you can accomplish and be good with that, honestly.
slim river
^^^^
slim river
Burnout is real but also just be happy with what you can accomplish and be good ...
absolute agree
subtle oar
Burnout is real but also just be happy with what you can accomplish and be good ...
Agreed. Which is why heroic, pvp and m+ should all award the same ilvl
rain cave
and they do
but mythic is also above that
I'd say don't feel bad just because you don't have the "max ilvl"
just find what you can do and have fun
don't beat yourself up just because number isn't higher
just have fun when it goes up
the earlier people reach their power peak
the earlier they get bored
and will leave
lowering the ilvl per patch means each patch has to be shorter
if people are grinding mythic up until the next patch, chasing ilvl
that's fine
keeps people playing
we need content to last longer, a philosophy that blizz share
hence why they're bringing older raids and dungeons back in to current ilvl bracket
deep pawn
I've suggested going the ff14 route with ilvl and raiders playing now all say they'd hate it
Cause they wouldn't be better
Each tier only goes up 26 ilvl. This season adds tier bonuses and double leggos which is why it's more exponential than normal
deep pawn
Blizzard has data that shows players don't even notice anything under 10% power increase.
So that's why going up a difficulty is supposed to be about a 13-15% power boost.
This season on the whole is way ahead of last season cause of the secondary systems
rain cave
Blizzard has data that shows players don't even notice anything under 10% power ...
I'd say they've actually managed to dial that number back in SL with soulbinds, at least to me
like kevin the ooze
and the mini stagger effect
or valiant strikes
but that's my perspective
deep pawn
Only after multiple nerfs where people were picking abilities they hate for a soulbind, but then they added mikanikos
Most conduits also got nerfed a ton
harsh wedge
Never forget pelagos' end conduit that gave 5 or 8% permanent versatility or something like that
deep pawn
Or original heirmir where a soulbind ability was 10% of a tanks dps
uncut lintel
TAUREN ROGUES
crimson jasper
yeeeap, thats great news
deep pawn
Confirmed?
dense plover
They’re probably not too hard to add tbf
crimson jasper
so you can read on whats up
dense plover
They just want the lore to be there
crimson jasper
yea safe druid
uncut lintel
fuck lore
crimson jasper
but still, it's great they add it
uncut lintel
😏
dense plover
The ones they listed don’t require that
Mages and priests used to but all the ones that had the limitations had those lifted a while ago
deep pawn
Tauren mage, hell yeah
uncut lintel
what races currently cant me priests, mages, or rogues
other than tauren
tauren can be priests ik
dense plover
Not sure
uncut lintel
let melog out and see
dense plover
Looks like at least high mountain
plain violet
That's really great.
dense plover
Priest added to tauren and orcs
Specifically high mountain Tauren and normal orcs
plain violet
Yeah.
uncut lintel
draenei rogues sounds hot
dense plover
Oh, Draenei rogues
And lightforged and high mountain Tauren
uncut lintel
when can lightfordged and worgen be monks 
crimson jasper
oh damn thats gonna be cool when its coming
dense plover
when can lightfordged and worgen be monks <:GASP:356544749940768768>
Probably never since worgen don’t have the ability to control their rage and lightforged are forged by the light, a force of order that will not allow for the chaos of being a monk
uncut lintel
dense plover
But Zandalari are monks so who fucking knows
I’m still very upset that they can be monks
uncut lintel
they are just trolls but taller
cosmic beacon
dense plover
Their race literally invaded and enslaved pandaren, why would the pandaren teach them?
crimson jasper
I’m still very upset that they can be monks
aside from lore, gameplay wise all races should have all classes
uncut lintel
Their race literally invaded and enslaved pandaren, why would the pandaren teach...
people change i guess
dense plover
There’s literally a ton of lore about how Pandaren do not like Zandalari
And I understand it’s old
But if Worgen and lightforged are excluded, Zandalari should’ve been
crimson jasper
lore wont change
strange falcon
There’s literally a ton of lore about how Pandaren do not like Zandalari
No lore is safe under StevieDs new management
uncut lintel
maybe pandaren on horde were like "ok ykno fuck the past, we are on the same team now, we need as many fighters as we can get" 
idk
crimson jasper
just let people play the way they want
cosmic beacon
surely the pandarens dont hold onto grudges, especially when not every ztroll was involved with enslaving and killing pandarens
dense plover
surely the pandarens dont hold onto grudges, especially when not every ztroll wa...
This hatred is older than the mogu stuff
crimson jasper
also true
cosmic beacon
doesnt matter
dense plover
There’s a whole war thing from before the sundering
cosmic beacon
yep
uncut lintel
just let people play the way they want
this is illegal for lore nerds
cosmic beacon
and
crimson jasper
this is illegal for lore nerds
yea seemingly, still I am for gameplay first lore after, especially since it doesnt really change the lore itself
cosmic beacon
oh wait
dense plover
It’s just disappointing that people had to beg for Paladin but monk lore was ignored
cosmic beacon
deep pawn
I mean lore already is out the window with green orc priests
cosmic beacon
not ignoring monk lore
uncut lintel
awit ppl had to beg for palladin
dense plover
When Paladin was clearly defined in that same lore book
rain cave
Tauren rogues is inevitable
uncut lintel
name a tauren rogue beefstealthy
dense plover
That’s all I’m saying
cosmic beacon
tho my rogue staying belf till i can play cross faction guilds
subtle oar
Panda druids when?
cosmic beacon
tru
uncut lintel
WHAT
subtle oar
Makes swnse
uncut lintel
but so was DH and DK
subtle oar
Sense
uncut lintel
glass flicker
Wait, rogues, priests and mages available for all races?
subtle oar
but so was DH and DK
They also had the same limitations
cosmic beacon
Wait, rogues, priests and mages available for all races?
ye
glass flicker
Here come the broken draenei roleplayers.
cosmic beacon
im not an idiot i played
uncut lintel
but why do it now when ppl want alot of alts
glass flicker
"ex follower of Akama™"
subtle oar
Lemme be a kitty Panda Blizzard!!!!
glass flicker
I already see them.
subtle oar
glass flicker
Oh my gods.
uncut lintel
now i have to wait 2 yrs to use them
subtle oar
Anyone see the Ion/Asmon interview yet?
cosmic beacon
sneakyhooves isnt taken
glass flicker
Nope.
glass flicker
I'm at work.
uncut lintel
im just watching asmon
subtle oar
Am at work, twitch blocked on wifi
uncut lintel
wut do u do as a job
subtle oar
Welder
uncut lintel
o
glass flicker
Weld rebars into a lightsaber.
subtle oar
Lol
glass flicker
Or that.
cosmic beacon
glass flicker
You have to brainstorm how to get one.
cosmic beacon
i heard from my dads brothers boyfriends sisters dog they are giga buffing feral next expansion
and itll be bis in all content
@uncut lintel
glass flicker
Feral is good right now tbh. People just don't know how to play it because everyone plays balance instead.
opaque pewter
Please continue that chat in #no-wow-discussion offtopic
cosmic beacon
what
uncut lintel
what
cosmic beacon
deep pawn
Next week
uncut lintel
o
cosmic beacon
<:Kapp:858805003934105600> mini mods
watch out orange name scary
glass flicker
I don't even know what chat to continue in off-topic. We were discussing feral being decent now. 
uncut lintel
watch out orange name scary <:Deadge:903803578383204432>
orange name means invisible privaleges
a dollar a day and u can run this server your way 😏
jk
cosmic beacon
I don't even know what chat to continue in off-topic. We were discussing feral b...
now?
jk
meme on feral but im kinda sadge it has no reliable strong aoe 
outside of a big cd
cosmic beacon
hit me up 
glass flicker
hit me up <:ChillBar_kiss:872868230602035250>
Can't I hit you now? I mean, if that's what you're into.
cosmic beacon
strange falcon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/645738078920507395/969311972191535154/unknown.png
Gladiator boosts will be in very high demand, big stonks for boosters
cosmic beacon
Just get glad
Hopefully pvp next expansion isn’t just go in press cds and kill a player through 10 cds
Or demon hunters hitting 20k blade dance, a button they can press every 5 seconds
glass flicker
Or destro locks getting cookie crazy one shot kills with Chaos Bolt.
opaque pewter
The playing field is planned to be less variable, so we can probably assume that knobs will be changed a little more often/drastically when needed
cosmic beacon
Or destro locks getting cookie crazy one shot kills with Chaos Bolt.
Earlier today I took 90k damage from 3 chaos bolts in less than a second with astral shift up
glass flicker
What the flock?
glass flicker
Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
cosmic beacon
Or when sub rogues can hit 30k eviscerates
30k being normal damage and it’s additional shadow damage
glass flicker
I've seen a rogue hit a 46k crit with Death From Above.
That spooked me. Thankfully Overpower goes through Evasion.
cosmic beacon
Went against a resto Druid who’s biggest regrowth on their ally was 86k crit 
glass flicker
And I managed to kill them.
My biggest PvP moment was catching both a rogue and a mage in my Spear of Bastion at once which secured the win.
They couldn't move from it.
Spear + Warbreaker + Bladestorm and my hunter friend just bombed the shit out of them.
Almost an instant win.
cosmic beacon
Ye double spear can win games if the enemy team aren’t careful
glass flicker
I'm gonna miss Spear of Bastion and Condemn when Dragonflight comes around.
subtle oar
I'm gonna miss Spear of Bastion and Condemn when Dragonflight comes around.
Pretty sure condemn will be in your talents if druids are getting convoke
subtle oar
I can't wait to see the BM hunter talents
glass flicker
Merge Massacre with Condemn. Boom, best of both worlds.
rain cave
did we talk about this?
was that what peeps were just talking about
since I made a comment about tauren rogues and I was only half joking lmao
cosmic beacon
we were talking about that yes
cosmic beacon
rain cave
dragons breath highmountain tauren charge combo inc
also fire mage normal tauren might be BiS
glass flicker
I'm still torn about normal orcs becoming priests.
That's gonna be good.
And tauren rogues will be OP. Just another stun.
cosmic beacon
https://twitter.com/BigmoranIRL/status/1519438135796535296?s=20&t=Lg_zTP9kDKkMb4zazx4AdQ
@uncut lintel
deep pawn
Someone earlier was saying that ilvl bloat was a problem
subtle oar
It was me
deep pawn
I just agree with their reasoning about gear needing to feel good and not wanting there to be pressure to do old content
rain cave
I don't think ilvl bloat is an issue
and I think old content should stay relevant
like the idea of keeping the expacs raids relevant throughout is good
and bringing back old dungeons
and there's no good way to solve ilvl bloat
bai's solution would fillet the game and make it worse, whilst not fixing the problem
deep pawn
short interview, interesting
rain cave
there's no way to solve a rising number apart from not making it rise
which would mean removing gearing
which they won't do
opaque pewter
You can mitigate the ilvl rise a bit
rain cave
but why does it need mitigating
rain cave
the numbers for ilvl don't even get that big anymore
the highest it went was only 1000
cunning fossil
"Only a 1000"
Not a good point
Like I think 4-500 is the cut off point for it to feel meaningful
rain cave
mate the numbers in legion were in the millions 1000 is nothing
opaque pewter
Thinking about it, yeah there is no real issue either with the current rate
rain cave
ofc past 10,000 ilvl numbers might get weird but
fr we're nowhere near an ilvl number problem
harsh wedge
You need to somehow have a "jump" in ilvl between things to make people want to do your content, like in bfa crucible of storms ilvl wasnt that high compared to the current tier so apart from certains items that were strong for their effects people skipped it
subtle oar
Doesn't chagr u wete right :P
cunning fossil
mate the numbers in legion were in the millions 1000 is nothing
I didn't like the fact that millions was a thing either
The numbers got way too big IMO
It also makes content from last patch obsolete though
Like it's lame that every expac can be boiled down and is meant to only be played.pqtch by patch
Rather than the whole expac
which is why I like how they're doing season 4 tbh
Also I missed this earlier but
TAUREN ROGUES?
Nice
opaque pewter
With catch up gear every patch, it does make it obsolete anyway
cunning fossil
True. That also makes it obsolete
It isn-= good either I feel :/
IDK maybe I'm a boomer talking in a kids body lmao
opaque pewter
The bigger picture is that if you don't bring latecomer or unskilled people up, they can't do the content
And creates more fragmentation
harsh wedge
We can, but people won't
opaque pewter
We saw this happen bavk in TBC; People were stuck in Karazhan
harsh wedge
That's the problem
harsh wedge
They are indeed, catchup gear makes up for it
cunning fossil
I suppose so
deep pawn
In TBC and Vanilla, guilds got stuck in a cycle of recruit a tank, gear them, try to progress the next raid, your tank gets poached by a higher tier guild
cunning fossil
Fair enough I suppose
I ain't gonna argue with history
But I feel that they need to find some way to make stuff from a patch or two ago semi-relevant. Rather than abandon it immediately
harsh wedge
But you can get the problem of having to go back and do sylvanas for the daggers if you did not get them as rogue and you want to be optimized, which can feel bad
opaque pewter
It depends on what you mean by that. Are you asking that people should still do it to do recent content?
deep pawn
I like the idea of a last season victory lap recap
rain cave
I didn't like the fact that millions was a thing either
the millions felt thematic for the end of legion, but I agree overall
harsh wedge
Or font and razor/coral in eternal palace that were pretty good in nya'lotha
ember blaze
Like it's lame that every expac can be boiled down and is meant to only be playe...
true, but it would suck if you had to do previous raid to do current raid
deep pawn
But yeah, having to go back to the previous tier to do current tier just doesn't work.
At least not anymore
harsh wedge
Ion said that'd be a system for content drought at the end of expansion
opaque pewter
The fated system seems to be an end-of expac thing as far as I know
rain cave
it's a shame
I want them to expand it to bringing back old raids mix xpac too
like having a select old raid brought up with its tier to stand alongside the current raid
subtle oar
We saw this happen bavk in TBC; People were stuck in Karazhan
We saw people bring new players into their guilds and take them thru that content to get them caught up.
rain cave
so you can mix tiers
opaque pewter
It's good in a way that people that skip a season can experience the raid in a more challenging way
rain cave
and have unique old effects brought back
harsh wedge
What if your bis tiers are in the 18th week of the season @rain cave ? Do you just "underperform" until it ?
That'd be too much if they brought old old raids
deep pawn
We saw people bring new players into their guilds and take them thru that conten...
yeah, and as I said, then promptly got poached by higher guilds who had churn. Why do the gearing of a new tank when other guilds are doing it for you and then you can dangle fast progression through the next tier
rain cave
What if your bis tiers are in the 18th week of the season <@313130762964828161> ...
wdym?
opaque pewter
It was also pretty negative when you forced your guild to go back and attune the newcomers
subtle oar
I disagree. Always keeping a tier feel fresh and fun is the ideal, and making a raid from the past relevant on par with a current raid of the tier, is just a great idea.
rain cave
has ToS and the current raid existing at that ilvl
deep pawn
Like if that's the type of things you want, Classic is right there for you
rain cave
then in 10.3, they add another raid
harsh wedge
If you brought, let's say, 5 raids in this patch, and you have the rotation of raids that fated will have (one per week), and the tier set you need to be bis is in the 5th week, do you just wait for the 5th week for it, and then wait another 5 weeks before being able to farm for those tier pieces again ?
harsh wedge
It is
rain cave
ffs
harsh wedge
One week nathria is fated, the next sanctum, the next sepulcher, repeat
opaque pewter
That's what I'm a little woried about. Weekly rotation is not a good format for progression plays
So it's going to have to be easy to clear
rain cave
just let everything be relevant, but if you want a weekly rotation give the current rotation like
a small bonus
harsh wedge
Because otherwise you'd have to "do" all three raids every week if you wanted the most items
rain cave
like all loot drops get extra stat
harsh wedge
Which is a problem
opaque pewter
Yeah making them all available is also a problem (also more fragmentation)
deep pawn
They can't let us do 32 bosses a week cause gearing would be degenerate to start.
harsh wedge
Is it really a progress if the raids have already been done ?
deep pawn
They're higher difficulty and have additional mechanics
opaque pewter
The plan is to keep that carrot going, so yes there will be progression
subtle oar
They can't let us do 32 bosses a week cause gearing would be degenerate to start...
It already is with M+
deep pawn
Raiding is a different beast than m+, especially mythic.
opaque pewter
Raiding is a pass-fail test
There is no guaranteed reward
ember blaze
the time commitment for raiding too 😓
opaque pewter
It would be nice if dungeons were tuned high enough to simply be pass-fail. Though I suppose hard mode was almost exactly that. Maybe a good way to push that feeling down to smaller scale is to make 5-man content mode with high completion failure rate
deep pawn
Twitter
cunning fossil
LMAO WH
opaque pewter
Tuned to max almost gear and always punishable mechanics
cunning fossil
It would be nice if dungeons were tuned high enough to simply be pass-fail. Thou...
That honestly sounds horrible
opaque pewter
It would be just for those that want it though
Like how mythic is for those that want it
opaque pewter
That is fine
cunning fossil
Not-not really
Not when you sit in there for 30 minutes and suddenly they jet for one bad pull
opaque pewter
What I'm saying is that currently you get that feeling in 20-man content only
There are a few really good people that can't make that kind of schedule so they can't get the same experience anymore
harsh wedge
A try in mythic is 5-10 minutes (with outliers, ofc), a m+ is 30-40 minutes, that'd be really bad if it was pass-fail
deep pawn
oh no, Holly Longdale got promoted to Executive Producer
ember blaze
who
opaque pewter
So it's dungeons tailored for small guilds essentially
deep pawn
She came from Everquest to head WoW Classic
ember blaze
oh, is she the person from the reveal table
ember blaze
oh no, Holly Longdale got promoted to Executive Producer
why oh no
deep pawn
She's very "old school minded" and she's against anything convenience based on her track record
subtle oar
She's very "old school minded" and she's against anything convenience based on h...
That's good for the Classic fans
rain cave
remove the 20 man mythic requirement? thoughts?
ember blaze
isnt that what classic ppl want
deep pawn
When Everquest first did their progression servers and people said, "These need instanced raids or no one is gonna be able to compete." Her answer was, "If you can't kill the raid target within 20 minutes of it spawning you don't deserve to"
subtle oar
remove the 20 man mythic requirement? thoughts?
100%
deep pawn
They added raid instances the next set.
opaque pewter
remove the 20 man mythic requirement? thoughts?
What's the proposition?
subtle oar
Allow for 10 man mythic
rain cave
or 30man
subtle oar
No. 10 or 20
harsh wedge
You'd have to tailor every fight for them to be done with any size then
rain cave
well it works with heroic
ember blaze
30 is just too insane and chaotic
opaque pewter
Flex is not a good way to balance a challenge as we have seen
rain cave
how so
harsh wedge
And to have them be the same "difficulty" for each or you do different "races" for the sizes
As an example, in uldir Vectis was horrible to do as 10 people
But a cakewalk the more you were
opaque pewter
Some mechanics are easier with less people, some with more. Especially with something that doesn't scale with just damage number
opaque pewter
Things that play with room space, raid-wide coordination, etc
rain cave
I suppose
harsh wedge
But if you had say jailer mythic that was easier with 10 people, well... you'd bench half your usual team then
rain cave
but it's just weird how everything else can be flexible
opaque pewter
It's good to have a tight challenge mode
rain cave
I think mythic should exist ofc
I don't think it's that it's a problem in it's current state
ember blaze
tbh, i think there should be a smaller raid size option
rain cave
just would be nice to allow smaller groups to tackle mythic
subtle oar
It works for heroic where you don't have a race
The game should not be made around the race
ember blaze
but i understand balance can be an issue
rain cave
The game should not be made around the race
^ this I can agree with
the race isn't even an official event
it's just a bunch of hardcore guilds sweating whilst all the devs do is point at the winner
ember blaze
the race isn't even an official event
it shouldnt be anyways
opaque pewter
It's not the reason it isn't flex anyway lol
rain cave
it shouldnt be anyways
exactly
harsh wedge
yeah it's not the main reason, but it works conveniently
rain cave
world first should be something aspirational
anyone can do it sort of vibe
but it's become a tournament where it's the same bloody people
ember blaze
then youd have to equalize the competition
opaque pewter
That's any sports and even the olympics. The nature of competition
ember blaze
you cant really compete without the resources the big guilds have
rain cave
companies SPONSOR the race which is ridiculous to me
harsh wedge
why ?
ember blaze
that isnt bad
harsh wedge
it is the same in any sport ?
rain cave
because it's not an event
harsh wedge
i mean, it is
ember blaze
yes it is?
opaque pewter
And that's what mysterious and great about it lol
rain cave
and scheduled events
harsh wedge
the crowd is behind the streams ?
opaque pewter
Welcome to digital events of this age. Some conventions and concerts are like this too now
harsh wedge
what does it change from a football match where you watch it from home and see the sponsors from your television ?
ember blaze
boomer take i guess
rain cave
it's like sponsoring somebody to livestream themselves working out at home
sure you can do it
it's just weird
opaque pewter
Are chess events sponsors seen as bad for you?
harsh wedge
are they made by the chess creators ?
rain cave
just strange
harsh wedge
don't think so
rain cave
wdym
harsh wedge
you say it is weird because it is not "official", ie made by blizzard
harsh wedge
what
rain cave
because there's no event
harsh wedge
which is an event ?
streaming allows them to make rediffusion and such during the night
rain cave
rediffusion?
harsh wedge
rebroadcast, wrong language
harsh wedge
but if you remove the rebroadcasts, that's just as much content as any other
opaque pewter
Some outside events and festivals do last a week-end or even a week though. Some even 24h. They should also be called events
rain cave
there's no teams list
everyone's a contender
so there's no 1 stream
what if some rando guild wins?
and nobody is streaming it
harsh wedge
i mean
rain cave
wasn't part of the event
opaque pewter
That would be great actually lol
celest moss
it happens a lot
opaque pewter
But they would be tracked
rain cave
can't always track em tho
harsh wedge
Arent they tracked automatically ?
opaque pewter
Yeah the way it's been organized today, I understand that you'll notice the outlier catching up
harsh wedge
is it a problem ?
rain cave
no
I'm just saying it's why I think people blowing up world first is weird
sponsoring it
making an event of it
very greedy
imo
opaque pewter
In any case, we can simply agree that you may have a different take for what qualifies as "an event"
harsh wedge
would you rather we go back to old days where noone streamed it ?
deep pawn
Of note, wasn't Executive Producer Ion's job before he was promoted to Director?
rain cave
it's just weird that people stream an open season as an event
where there's specific teams
when there aren't
rain cave
competetive WoW is an oxymoron to me
ember blaze
and it's not that interesting
so your personal opinion
rain cave
well, I just don't understand streams in general
I only watch the dota 2 international
ember blaze
so even an official event by blizzard, that's scheduled, with an audience, and teams still doesnt fit what you ask for
harsh wedge
not really
rain cave
I'm not saying I think of world first and MDI the same
harsh wedge
it is an event by your definition
opaque pewter
I don't hear much about tha dota2 one actually
rain cave
it's the biggest tournament in esports wew
ember blaze
it is?
opaque pewter
I'm trying to make a point lol
ember blaze
that's prize pool
ember blaze
idc about the prize
rain cave
prize pool = size
harsh wedge
is the prize pool really the best metric to follow ?
rain cave
to me
opaque pewter
Prize pool is probably not the best metric
rain cave
what other metric is there
ember blaze
it's the biggest tournament in esports wew
this is just misleading
opaque pewter
But anyway as we can see, different bubbles
upper pasture
what other metric is there
Viewers?
opaque pewter
We don't watch or follow so we dont' know
ember blaze
although league's prize pool has always been too low
and i think only recently do they add to it with skins
harsh wedge
viewers is tbh the best metric for that
opaque pewter
Yeah that's my first thought
harsh wedge
if you have 40 millions prize pool but 50 viewers (hypothetical numbers), your event is not big
ember blaze
like, what event doesnt use viewership as the metric to care about?
upper pasture
One rich sob who really like dota2
rain cave
so, big money
upper pasture
One guy 🤷♂️
ember blaze
because where did the 40 mil come from
league could easily award this much
if not more
opaque pewter
Let's have Elon musk host something bigger with just his peers. Is that a bigger event?
rain cave
keep in mind dota's prize pool is 25% of what people pay towards the prizepool
ember blaze
and millions of people watch league
rain cave
mostly
harsh wedge
If i'm looking at peak viewers, the international 2021 was at 2.7 millions at peak with 40 millions$ prize, and league of legends 2018 championship had 200 millions at its peak with 6.5 millions prize (google numbers), which event was the biggest ?
rain cave
no way league had 200 mil viewers lmao
I doubt there's even that many twitch accounts
or league players
harsh wedge
There are that many
rain cave
no shotttt
harsh wedge
That year winners were chinese
rain cave
that would be fucking nuts
harsh wedge
There are a LOT of chinese players
ember blaze
lol
harsh wedge
Twitch aint the only streaming platform there exists anyway
ember blaze
LMAO
and why would twitch be the only platform you count viewers in?
at one point that much people played league monthly
idk what the numbers are today
league is a massive game
harsh wedge
If you want numbers, there are 29 chinese servers for league of legends compared to one per region otherwise
harsh wedge
It is not popular in the west
rain cave
like it's not got a very hardcore playerbase from what I've seen
harsh wedge
(for the other platforms for stream i meant)
rain cave
even if people play it a lot
harsh wedge
It has a very hardcore playerbase
ember blaze
hundreds of millions of players is not that popular?
rain cave
that's not what I mean by popularity
ember blaze
It has a very hardcore playerbase
millions also take part in ranked
harsh wedge
yes
upper pasture
Lol what are you even on. Like literally everyone I know has played league at least once in their life
ember blaze
that's not what I mean by popularity
well judging by all the definitions you have brought up, they dont mean anything anyways
harsh wedge
If you want to say a game is not popular, lol is probably not the best choice
rain cave
I'm trying to say that like, even if it has a ton of players those players aren't particularly invested
ember blaze
and if most players played once a week. So what?
ember blaze
none of what you say makes sense
harsh wedge
the players are invested
upper pasture
But like you are saying
rain cave
I'm not trying to make apoint
ember blaze
and league is probably one of those games that does require huge investment
rain cave
I'm just discussing
ember blaze
specially if you want to be remotely decent
even the most casual players play several games a day
rain cave
I'm not that casual about league and I sometimes only hop on for a single round of ARAM
in fact I mostly do that
harsh wedge
does not remove the fact that players are invested in it and the game is that popular
ember blaze
🤷♂️
vernal juniper
hey I have just read about the account sharing achivment Do I understood it wrongly or this one should be now account shared SO I should be able to unlock the requirement account wide?
but on vendor is still locked https://i.imgur.com/xQ8bnnO.png
same as https://i.imgur.com/WylBU7R.png and others
cosmic beacon
We don’t know yet, since they haven’t really gone into detail
From what ik atleast
vernal juniper
mmh ok I've submited as a bug in the time, who knows
I don't wanna do the sancutm on 4 gear's type
cosmic beacon
Ye like the rewards from court of night rep
Want the mail set but already got exalted on a Druid, ain’t doin it again
Would be neat to not have to do all that again
vernal juniper
the rep is kinda ok to me
but if you haven't done the sanctum... it is quite hard content and you need to spend a lot of hours on it
cosmic beacon
Rep grinding can be tedious enough, let alone having to do it on every armour type
And having to get the sanctum upgrades to even get the rep quests
vernal juniper
I'm hardly against rep account bound 😄
if they are cosmetics, fine
but for the rest I hope they never do it
cosmic beacon
Idk if you got the rep to exalted already it’s unnecessary to have it locked to just that character
It actively makes people not want to do it if you have to do it another 3 times
It’s basically the same for sanctum achievements, completely unnecessary to have it locked
vernal juniper
I mean if it is only for cosmetics fine
but for gear it will be a very bad thing for the economy
since you can just spam, boost your pg
and do economy on all the servers with no effort
cosmic beacon
They said themselves gear and progression won’t be account wide
Which no one is arguing for tbh
Although in cases like conduit items from reps they should be account wide
vernal juniper
ye ye if no sell-able items on ah fine to me
cosmic beacon
Depends on the gear imo
vernal juniper
edited my message
vernal juniper
I should say, if no items involved in economy (even bop, not only sell able)
barren vigil
Evokers are yesterday's news. How bout them Tauren Rogues!
deep pawn
Mages have better use for an aoe stun than rogues
Regarding the achievement. I think it's just meant so all your characters will show the same achievement points
Was apparently annoying people when covenant swapping
rain cave
They will be OP AF, that's for sure.
don't forget the tauren mages with extra crit damage
also
draenei rogues?
vial, evasion, cloak AND gift of the naaru now
and even lightforged rogues will be hilarious I think
glass flicker
And the former follower of Akama™ roleplayers.
barren vigil
I don't care what's better at what... I've never played just for racials... But I've always wanted to play a tauren rogue for sure.
rain cave
aye
glass flicker
You're gonna hate tauren rogues in PvP.
Stun stun stun stun stun stun racial- VANISH!
barren vigil
barren vigil
Them Tauren Rogues though! Let's gooooo
uncut lintel
TAURENNN ROGUEE
rain cave
TAURENNN ROGUEE
imagine them using killing spree
barren vigil
cunning fossil
Lmao
cosmic beacon
Need to make vanessa vancleef mog on tauren
rain cave
Need to make vanessa vancleef mog on tauren
mr smite?
strange falcon
Darkfallen are coming aren’t they
even if they were, we do have way too many elves
young latch
even if they were, we **do** have way too many elves
We have too many elves but people were asking for these specific ones before we had too manybelves
I’d like for them to be customizations rather than a full race
But data mining is suggesting they are on the way
languid yoke
man can't we just cull some of the elf population if we get darkfallen
rain cave
man can't we just cull some of the elf population if we get darkfallen
I mean, every elf population has been culled
in WoW
night elves got massacred, nightborne are just a small group/city of highborne offshoots, and had a bunch die in the legion War, blood elves are blood elves it's in the name
tbh void elves might have the most stable canonical growth atm kek
urban spire
I'd prefer tuskarr I think
or maybe ogres
I like elves, but we have a lot
nighbourne, belvs, void elves, night elves
2 for each faction is pretty good imo
rain cave
I hope the new half giant people are going to become horde
they look sick
also one of them is using an old classic sulfuras precursor model
ragnaros back again? xd
ragnaros the dragonlord
plain violet
Really sick models.
subtle oar
ragnaros back again? xd
Not possible. We killed Rag in the Firelands, the elemental realm of Fire. He's 100% dead and there is a new Firelord
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Not possible. We killed Rag in the Firelands, the elemental realm of Fire. He's ...
I mean, I was half joking, but if you'd played the dark iron allied race scenario you'd know that its story is about stopping people from resurrecting ragnaros
so it's on the table at least
even if I doubt it
that being said it's funny how you only respond to people you don't like to point out where they're "wrong" in a passive aggressive way lmao
sheesh
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why do people expect another race
let alone another fucking elf 
@subtle oar ragnaros 2.0 😏, we name him raggy
plain violet
I mean, I was half joking, but if you'd played the dark iron allied race scenari...
Yeah it could be possible.
Like with the Legion quest for the wind elementals.
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@subtle oar : ( i really want jellycat, i hope we can get it in lfr 
if not thats how u know they only care abt real raiders