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rain cave
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everything has a reddit

strange falcon
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them having to cater to china imo also limits what they can actually put in the game from that standpoint

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so no wrathduin

uncut lintel
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fuc k china

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gib wrathduin

rain cave
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fuck the chinese government*

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specifically

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china itself has good potential, there's some good stuff there

uncut lintel
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like the food

rain cave
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eh

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not IN china

uncut lintel
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compared to american food i bet its better

rain cave
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chinese food sure

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but food in china?

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lmao

uncut lintel
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?

rain cave
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gutter oil

uncut lintel
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how do they eat the

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n

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wat

rain cave
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there's a large underground market for frying oil

uncut lintel
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SO ALL THE VIDEOS IVE SEEN ARE LIES?

rain cave
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and a good chunk of it comes from people going to waste plants and skimming the oil from the top

uncut lintel
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THEY DONT HAVE REAL FOOD

rain cave
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and then heating it to try sterilize it

uncut lintel
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the hot noodles and spicy sauces and meats r al lfake

rain cave
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something like 10% of people in china consume gutter oil?

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in some capacity

uncut lintel
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america is healthier

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then

rain cave
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which is effectively saying 10% of people in china consume oil skimmed from waste plants

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also asian physiology in general is actually less tolerant of milk

dense plover
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Can we try and keep stuff on topic?

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We have a channel for this stuff

rain cave
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the conversation evolved here

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no need to be passive aggressive just because you dislike me ๐Ÿ˜›

dense plover
rain cave
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if you don't want to listen to me I don't really think I should be expected to listen to you

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I will, however

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since I think this conversation has reached a decent culmination

uncut lintel
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o-o

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everyone still talks abt wow in casual anyway LUL so casual being here isnt unlikely /gen

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but anyway

dense plover
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We could talk about how alpha is likely to start in the next week or two. Iโ€™m hoping to get in since Iโ€™ve been in the last 2

uncut lintel
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when new xpac release

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i want now

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or pre patch

dense plover
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Probably 2023 for expac release

uncut lintel
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i want pre patch bcuz i can be dragon on pre patch

rain cave
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I'm hoping that because they said this has been in development for a long time, in a way that to me seemed as an intentional wink to the audience

deep pawn
rain cave
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that maybe we can scrape a december release

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like cata

uncut lintel
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idk

dense plover
uncut lintel
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i was surprised to hear them say theyve already been working on it

dense plover
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I think the first alpha is probably going to focus on technical stuff like profession and talent trees

uncut lintel
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and say far along

dense plover
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And we wonโ€™t see any story stuff for a bit

deep pawn
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Wasn't legion encrypted builds for weeks before public alpha

uncut lintel
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im assuming they just need to make sure everything is working and test shit like the dragon riding and things mrpeach said

dense plover
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But we might have access to the first zone so they can iterate on dragon riding

uncut lintel
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but i just cant wait im so excited

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i had a smile on my face the whole stream

dense plover
uncut lintel
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that is rare

rain cave
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so what they've marketed to us has been in the pipeline for a while I would guess

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after all, the talent trees are already out of date they've said

uncut lintel
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voidge i miss blizzcon

rain cave
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hope to go to one someday

strange falcon
rain cave
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conventions in general

dense plover
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The talent trees likely change massively every build

uncut lintel
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i liked seeing everyone being happy and hyped over the shit they showed in person

rain cave
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only convention I went to was london comicon and it was pretty depressing

dense plover
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That was how soul binds and legion artifacts were in early alpha

uncut lintel
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post the gif

dense plover
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Massive changes between builds

deep pawn
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There is a slight possibility that those videos were recorded back in January, but if that's the case I'd expect talents out already

dense plover
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Because the iteration out of the game canโ€™t keep up with the in game iteration

rain cave
dense plover
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They were likely recorded a few weeks before with the round table a few days before

deep pawn
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Or they always know there's leak, or leaked it themselves

rain cave
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I'm moreso thinking the actual marketing material itself

uncut lintel
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who needs marketing when u have dragons

rain cave
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which has to probably be approved

deep pawn
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Even then, with no leaks dragons were not a surprise

uncut lintel
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ofc not

rain cave
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also yeah tbf

uncut lintel
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now it all makes sense

rain cave
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dragon pack

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and the mecha dragon

uncut lintel
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bfa aotc, dragon pack, fae outfit of dragon faeiryt, new dragon pet

dense plover
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Dragon isles was nearly guaranteed

rain cave
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people were talking about dragon isles way before

uncut lintel
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im so happy

dense plover
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Iโ€™m still surprised it wasnโ€™t 9.0

uncut lintel
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i love dragons

dense plover
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That was my bet for 9.0

uncut lintel
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voidge shadowlands ptsd

rain cave
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but then dragons would have been jailered

uncut lintel
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LOL

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oh god that would be a weird story

rain cave
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"murozond please put a shirt on"

uncut lintel
rain cave
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can't wait for the murozond primus reveal

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๐Ÿ˜„

deep pawn
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Gonna hurt so much watching him fall.

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If it happens in levelling

rain cave
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primus is like "wait what he was bad? dude helped me out"

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they said he can't see the timeways clearly right?

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and that's why he's worried

uncut lintel
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im gonna cry whole xpac

rain cave
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wonder if they'll do it like a dementia story

uncut lintel
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i cried whole httyd series, i will cry whole dragonlands story

rain cave
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have him slowly fading into madness

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I will say that the only other times I've really felt emotion at all from WoW in the modern setting was varian

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the legion trailer, and his death

uncut lintel
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varien and ysera hit me

rain cave
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ysera not so much

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since she wasn't that big in the story beforehand from what I can recall

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she was important but just not really in a personal way

uncut lintel
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i dont follow much story so

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idk much but

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it still cri

rain cave
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whereas Varian is just such a fucking chad

uncut lintel
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yea

rain cave
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and that goes for the stonebro

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as well

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dragonflight trailer makes me feel something

uncut lintel
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PLEASE DONT KILL STONEBRO

rain cave
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first time since legion

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so they're doing something right

uncut lintel
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stonebro was cute in the cinamatic

rain cave
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I wonder if he is actually the last one

uncut lintel
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Prayge i was so hyped

rain cave
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he's not cute he's just

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salute worthy

uncut lintel
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cute

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both

rain cave
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I wonder if they'll have him talk

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because I personally like the idea of him just being silent

uncut lintel
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i prefer him not to talk

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theres something abt him not talking that makes him unique

rain cave
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I love that moment where he wakes up, happy knowing the dragons are about to return

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turning to his friend

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and just realizing

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"oh fuck"

uncut lintel
rain cave
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it's not played up in a stupid way that's overly dramatic

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it's human

uncut lintel
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when u log onto ur old xbox one day and see all those offline friends

rain cave
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the cinematic respects the viewer quite well I'd say

uncut lintel
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yea

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i loved it

deep pawn
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Koranos had more development in one cinematic than zovaal the entire expansion

uncut lintel
languid yoke
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why stop at zovaal, basically any shadowlands character

proud wharf
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Who even is zovaal

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I gave up on shadowlands around when the first raid opened

uncut lintel
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i think zovaal is the jailer

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but uidk

cunning fossil
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Nice

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Christ what did I just miss?

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Another "LOL Woke" devate?

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Thank god

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I personally just think it'd be cool if it were there. If it isn't fine I got fanfiction to tide me over.

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Whatever actual relationship Anduin gets better be worth it then

uncut lintel
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yess

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Prayge i want wrathion to comfort anduin

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pweaaase

cunning fossil
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While yeah maybe that is it... that's boring. I'd rather hum be able to chill and not have to be in a constant state of depression

deep pawn
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Nah, I don't think anyone went lol woke. I said even if WoW is trying to be that, I don't think they have the guts to let Anduin hook up with Wrathion even if it's a fling like Kalec and Jaina

uncut lintel
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but they did it with other couples

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also wdym by "be that"?

cunning fossil
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Trying to be woke he means

uncut lintel
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idk wtf woke even means

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i thoght that shit ws a meme

deep pawn
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It's a corporation. I have a hard time trusting any of them being truly inclusive beyond them thinking it's good marketing and profitable

cunning fossil
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Woke is a wierd thing that doesn't actually mean much but if accurately used it means "way too accepting to be actual acceptance"

uncut lintel
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oh

cunning fossil
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Of course yes it is a company

uncut lintel
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bro idc just add more gay into game ๐Ÿ˜

cunning fossil
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Fair tbh

uncut lintel
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like no matter if u try to put it in slowly or not ppl are gnona complain

cunning fossil
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I will atoll call them out on their Bullshit

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Them making Flynn and Shaw Canon did not stop me from shutting on them and BFA

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Lmao

uncut lintel
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flynn and shaw is a cute couple

cunning fossil
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Agreed

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Especially in the Dxploring the Eastern Kingdoms book

deep pawn
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Makes me wonder if Shaw waters down Flynn's alcohol

uncut lintel
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wrathion and anduin is cool and cute i want that please i may be obessessing but

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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He probably does

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But Flynn drinks so much he still gets tipsy

uncut lintel
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shaw dragging flynn out of a bar

deep pawn
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Better tipsy than blackout making out with a siren

cunning fossil
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Fair lmao

uncut lintel
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i fucking hated that quest ngl

cunning fossil
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Fair enough

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Sirens are the worst

uncut lintel
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i meant having to slow walk with fucking flynn but fair enough

cunning fossil
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Oh yeah that

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That sucks

uncut lintel
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any quest that i have to escort someone

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i hate it or i dont do it

ember blaze
cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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it can make sense

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from enemies, to neutral, to friends, to lovers

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wait a second

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hang on u guys

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why are we saying make sense when whole shadowlands did not make sense

cunning fossil
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The relationship is quite honestly Anduin's most likely and has the most chemistry than any other character Anduin would be with

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The "it doesn't make sense" angle for this specific relationship honestly does not work

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Like flat out. I know that Christie hated the idea and is trying to make Anduin straight as fuck

uncut lintel
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why

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she hate homo?

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LUL jk

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ykno wut

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ima fuckin make a dragon name wrathduin

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das it im doing it

cunning fossil
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I don't know why she REALLY . hated that the players got the vibe of gayness between the two

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For some reason

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When the entire expac was pretty much that

uncut lintel
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Kapp its just a sign that she puts personal prefs into game

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she want anduin straight

rain cave
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I don't really like the fauning over the relationship some people have

cunning fossil
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Even war crimes was them being endearing to each other

rain cave
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they're not real, why does a what if cause such a reaction

uncut lintel
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not everyone needs to be in a relationship but wrath and anduin is perfect Prayge

cunning fossil
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Why not? I just think it'd be sweet.

uncut lintel
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i want more couples in the game it makes the game more engaging for me Prayge

cunning fossil
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The same way we care about Arthas being a literal ball of Puff

uncut lintel
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and i really like wrathduin

cunning fossil
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Because we like the characters

rain cave
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like if it happens, it's fine to react to it then but living in fantasy land and letting it command emotion over you isn't worth it

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trust me

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I speak from experience

uncut lintel
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what

rain cave
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you can like the characters

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but this isn't about that it's about fantasizing over the characters to some people

uncut lintel
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but the whole game is fantasy and we live in it

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what

rain cave
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we don't live in it lol

cunning fossil
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I'll still rather ve hopeful for the relationship to happen until the writers sink the ship

uncut lintel
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if u played over 10 years ur living in it

cunning fossil
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The entire game is about fantasy and I would like to just hope for things to happen

ESPECIALLY since there is so much basis for it happening

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Like it's not just a Crack ship

uncut lintel
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there is no reason for it not to happen Prayge

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other than devs being weird

rain cave
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I think you're falsely equivilating fantasy in the sense of not being real to fantasy as a genre

cunning fossil
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He'll Flynn and Shaq had less screen time and THEY got together

rain cave
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yeah because time spend together = relationship

uncut lintel
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true

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๐Ÿ˜

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its already canon

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anduin punched wrathion

rain cave
uncut lintel
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lol wut

cunning fossil
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I mean, when Wrathion literally went "I can show you the world. Shining, shimmering, splendind" to anduin in war crimes

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Like

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What OTHER vibe do I get?

uncut lintel
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๐Ÿ˜

rain cave
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good friends

uncut lintel
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thats rare

cunning fossil
rain cave
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like friends are meant to love eachother, that doesn't make it romantic

cunning fossil
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If course not

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But what if it was? ๐Ÿ˜ณ

rain cave
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don't care

uncut lintel
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good friends when ur "friend" tells u he will take u to other places and worlds Prayge that is not "good friends" thats full on flirt and omg marry me plz

cunning fossil
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Then that's you

rain cave
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that's not a flirt lmao

cunning fossil
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I do somewhat

uncut lintel
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yes it is GASP

rain cave
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never been on a holiday with a friend?

uncut lintel
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i dont have any irl friends

rain cave
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or family?

uncut lintel
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ew no

tight willow
rain cave
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then that explains a lot

cunning fossil
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A holiday with a friend or family goes like "Yo bro wanna come with me somwwhere?"

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Not

uncut lintel
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no one irl can take u to another fuckin planet

rain cave
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also fur

uncut lintel
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this whole convo is useless

rain cave
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you're projecting

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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"I want to bring you on adventures that will leave your dad speechless"

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Come

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On

uncut lintel
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z

cunning fossil
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Guys

rain cave
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you're projecting into a thing that won't be real

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it ain't healthy

uncut lintel
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it is real

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fanfiction and google exists

rain cave
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yikes

uncut lintel
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๐Ÿ˜

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tumblr

rain cave
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yeah this isn't healthy imo

cunning fossil
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It's LIKELY and honestly makes the most sense

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That is my point

uncut lintel
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who cares if its healthy if it makes me happy

cunning fossil
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I'm not attached to it

uncut lintel
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๐Ÿ˜

rain cave
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I'm not debating if it should or shouldn't happen

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they can do what they want with the characters

uncut lintel
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yea like they did with the jailer

rain cave
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I just experience what they make

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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What are u debating then? >->

rain cave
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I'm just saying don't get emotionally invested in a what if for a fantastical character

tulip sun
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It just doesn't seem like that is the direction the writers are going with Anduin

rain cave
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to fur

uncut lintel
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youre about

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10 yrs too late

rain cave
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Fur I recommend you realign yourself with reality

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genuinely

uncut lintel
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bruh

cunning fossil
rain cave
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talk to family

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find some friends

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to hang out with

uncut lintel
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yea talk to my abusive family

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gg

cunning fossil
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Because that's fucking BORING

uncut lintel
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no

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fuck friends

ancient jasper
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Saint, calm your ass down. Shipping has been a thing since before you were born.

uncut lintel
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: ( im on the internet to forget reality

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i can ship wut i wan

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i do wut i want

rain cave
rain cave
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I won't comment further

ancient jasper
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Yeah, okay, you're the one not in touch with reality.

uncut lintel
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reality is boring

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let me play game

rain cave
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as I said

uncut lintel
rain cave
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won't comment further

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this behaviour speaks for itself

uncut lintel
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shipping isnt bad :<

rain cave
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I've given my 2 cents

uncut lintel
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its amazing

cunning fossil
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Seriously though I hope that Anduin gets into a happier state

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Because oh my God

uncut lintel
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shipping gives me more to dream and draw abt Prayge i want anduin and wrathion, wrathion comfort anduin plz make dat hpapen

cunning fossil
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The last 4 years of his life has been utter garbage

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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And that's messed up. And you can't just "Off screen therapy" your way to making it ok

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Make him human.

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Give him something to fight for

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SomeONE to fight for

uncut lintel
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wrathion

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HE FIGHT FOR DRAGON BUFF BF

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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got it

cunning fossil
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Wrathion told my boy that you're gonna ride on my back and we'll explore the worls

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Like damn

uncut lintel
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THATS SOME ALLADIN FLIRTING SHIT

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but better

cunning fossil
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๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

uncut lintel
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and i do it, for him Prayge

cunning fossil
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But yeah. I will stop it there since I know ow the convo makes people feel wierd

uncut lintel
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they are making themselfs feel weird

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who cares

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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not my art btw but yea POG

cunning fossil
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I swear to god though it'd be such an easy dub for blizzard

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E. Z. DUB

uncut lintel
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and give them more subs

rain cave
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knowing the community

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it wouldn't be an 'ez dub'

uncut lintel
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the community is toxic as all communities are Prayge

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im sure more ppl hated the shadowlands story than they would hate wrathduin being canon LUL

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i keep making shadowlands jokes but its a joke in itself so its funny

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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i make myself laugh Prayge

cunning fossil
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Besides. They probably never liked Anduin anyways. They don't want him happy :P

uncut lintel
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i want my little boi happy

cunning fossil
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โ˜๏ธ

uncut lintel
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ill go get a job as a writer just to make him happy

cunning fossil
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Lmaoo

uncut lintel
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also wrathion and anduin both lost their dads POG they can relate

sudden oak
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one could change aladdin and jasmine with wrathion and anduin and the movie would still make sense with the "I will show you the word" line lmao

uncut lintel
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shit someone edit that

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or ill do it myself later

sudden oak
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also the fact that anduin fell in love with her dwarven sword trainer

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makes no sense

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since they really didnt spend that much time together?

cunning fossil
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Wait who when?

uncut lintel
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he didnt fall in love with her

cunning fossil
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Who is that?

uncut lintel
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she doesnt matter if no one knows who she is

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we must pretend that girl doesnt exists

sudden oak
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im not wrong there was a line in before the storm maybe?

uncut lintel
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i will go horde and murder her oh wait im already horde

cunning fossil
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Randomly.likea his sword trainer?

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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Not even a named person?

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LMAO

uncut lintel
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thats kinda weird

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imo

sudden oak
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like "she meant more for him than a friend "

uncut lintel
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LOL

sudden oak
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she had a name

uncut lintel
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lies

sudden oak
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but I dont fucking remember it

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lmao

uncut lintel
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good

sudden oak
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who cares

uncut lintel
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it doesnt matter

cunning fossil
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Anduin isn't even good with sword work

uncut lintel
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this is the future

cunning fossil
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Like bruh

uncut lintel
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yea like just make animation of him saying FUCK UR SWORDS IM GOIN TO MY DRAGON

sudden oak
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and she died in the cataclysm book?

uncut lintel
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oh she died

sudden oak
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kinda foggy ngl

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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Nani wot I-

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Oh so she's a non factor then?

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If anything this just makes Anduin lean more into the Bi territory

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Which is also fine

uncut lintel
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yea

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nothing wrong with bi

cunning fossil
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Doesn't change the fact that his chemistry is the best with Wrathion. Even objectively

uncut lintel
sudden oak
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Wowpedia

Aerin Stonehand was a female dwarf warrior who was a part of King Magni Bronzebeard's elite guard. She was described as stout and cheerful, and physically being pink-cheeked and muscle toned curvaceous, with her brown hair tied in a long braid running the length of her back.

uncut lintel
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LOL

sudden oak
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this no name

uncut lintel
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NO PHOTO

sudden oak
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yep

uncut lintel
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dat means she doesnt matter at all

cunning fossil
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I have yet to see him engage with anyone else he could be romantically interesting in who has had as much chemistry with him as wrathion

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Sooooo

sudden oak
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I think her first apparition was in "the shattering: prelude to cataclysm"

cunning fossil
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curvaceous,

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Of course she had to be curvaceous lol

uncut lintel
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wat

cunning fossil
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The fact it's in her description though

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Isanti I have nothing wrong with that

sudden oak
cunning fossil
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But like cmon

sudden oak
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like

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it was one line

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in before the storm

ember blaze
cunning fossil
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I literally have never heard of her nor care

uncut lintel
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maybe to u tobi

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but to me

ember blaze
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anduin being sensitive or whatever doesnt automatically make him gay

uncut lintel
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they are more

cunning fossil
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Never said thatlol

uncut lintel
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oh no another useless argument

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guys plz

ember blaze
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was the primary thing i saw in the forums

uncut lintel
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why would u read

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forums

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other than for memes

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thats scary

cunning fossil
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All I'm saying is that "I want to carry you on my dragon back and show you the world and have adventures together." Is literally not the straightest way to say "let's go kill some monsters bro"

uncut lintel
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^^

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its a flirt

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and its a hot one

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id be on my fuckin knees if i had a femme dragon tell me dat

ember blaze
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lol

cunning fossil
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Lmaoo

sudden oak
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it took like 8 or so years for christie golden to say "oh yeah he thought of her as more than a friend"

uncut lintel
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LOL

cunning fossil
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Kek W

sudden oak
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the shattering book released in October 19, 2010

uncut lintel
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if it took 8 yrs that is just a reason of herself to not like wrathduin

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and not wanting to canon

sudden oak
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before the storm was released June 12, 2018

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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Nearly 8 years kekw

sudden oak
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and the moment where anduin thought that line

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had almost nothing to do with her

cunning fossil
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Yeahhh

sudden oak
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his butler was dying of old age

cunning fossil
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Yhat's shoehorn as fuck

uncut lintel
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worst rejection in history

sudden oak
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and out of nowhere he thought of her death

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for some weird reason

cunning fossil
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I'm so confused

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Why??

uncut lintel
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moji_snickers u know why

sudden oak
#

also

cunning fossil
#

Bro did it even go past that line?

sudden oak
#

I would like everyone here to remember

cunning fossil
#

Did he keep thinking about her?

sudden oak
#

that in the shattering book

#

he was caught staring a draenei female

uncut lintel
#

ok but who doesnt do that

sudden oak
#

cause her HANDS were pretty

uncut lintel
#

LOL

#

HER HANDS

#

๐Ÿ’€

sudden oak
#

HER HANDS

uncut lintel
#

HER HAND--S IM DEAD

#

no not her legs, not her eyes, not her face, HER HANDS

sudden oak
#

im going to find that moment

uncut lintel
#

im crying

sudden oak
#

even if its the last thing I do

uncut lintel
#

imagine going up to someone and asking them out and they ask why u like them one day and u just say, YOUR HANDS

ember blaze
#

what if she's a hand model

cunning fossil
#

Lmao

upper pasture
#

Anduin has a hand kink, I shall henceforth call him Handuin

uncut lintel
#

so beutiful

#

so majetstic

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
#

Lmaoo

#

๐Ÿ’€

uncut lintel
#

idk what mount to go for first class halls r taking too long

cunning fossil
#

Hmmm

ember blaze
#

mines just stopped giving me quests so i gave up ๐Ÿ›Œ

uncut lintel
#

wow

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
#

we are friends

#

im on my shaman rn but i gotta do 10 wq

#

ughhhhhhhhhadsjowdj

cunning fossil
#

Oof

uncut lintel
#

i mean its not gonna be hard

#

but i mean like cmon 10

#

UGHHH

#

my warrior is still on missions

#

gotta check my others

sudden oak
#

okay I searched it

#

and it wasnt exactly draenei hands

#

just her "beauty and grace"

uncut lintel
#

nahh i liked hands better

upper pasture
#

Handuin must live on

ember blaze
#

Wowhead emotes are dry af

sudden oak
#

the part of the fingers is what made me misremember

uncut lintel
upper pasture
#

Maybe you have a hand thing

#

After all it is what you remembered

sudden oak
#

hey I remembered other parts correctly

#

a small mistake in memory doesnt make me have a hand fetish

ember blaze
#

Kapp

uncut lintel
#

ill take the blame on having the fetish

upper pasture
#

Look no one is shaming you

ember blaze
#

Why does jaina treat anduin like sheโ€™s his mother.

sudden oak
#

I mean she is a friend of his father and has known him since little

#

maybe also a friend of his mother

uncut lintel
#

yea

sudden oak
#

not sure

uncut lintel
#

who was anduins mother

sudden oak
#

there is a reason he calls jaina aunt

#

Tiffin Ellerian Wrynn

uncut lintel
#

THEY HAD A SISTER

sudden oak
#

wait what

uncut lintel
#

jaina had a sister

#

who was anduins mom

sudden oak
#

no?

#

jaina never had sisters

#

just two brothers

uncut lintel
#

it appears i dunt no wut aunt means

tulip sun
#

She is just very close to the Wrynns. Doesn't have to be literally blood.

sudden oak
#

^

tulip sun
#

Like I grew up calling a close friend of my mom's "Aunt", and her kids were practically siblings, etc.

sudden oak
#

yeah basically that

cunning fossil
#

Yeah basically

#

I called a lot of family friends aunti/uncle

upper pasture
#

The Dragon Isles are one of the biggest continents Blizzard has ever made. ๐Ÿ‘€

#

now that's what i like to see

strange falcon
#

Bigger doesnt equally mean better.
If the zones are massive, but they're empty, then why.
Thats a sin of most open world games(im not saying wow is one)
Where they make a massive map, but its mostly empty so there is no point in it, its just taking longer to traverse for the sake of it

#

This can be done well with games like witcher 3, elden ring, or zelda breath of the wild, but they're more the exception to the norm

upper pasture
#

yes, that is a concern of mine that i've expressed before but the fact that its larger zones focused on exploration. chances are these zone wont be empty and be large for the sake of being large.

#

but also its bigger than the OG map is whats most surprising to me

rain cave
#

also they're using dragonriding

#

so they might have the core story take place on the ground area, maybe with scripted parts taking you up

#

but then exploring and such when you get your dragon allows you to get to another area entirely

#

regardless the zones will be bigger but won't feel like a chore to get around since we'll have fun flying from day 1

strange falcon
#

again, from how they explained it, we wont have the full kit of the dragonriding right away, and until we have definitive proof, people will call it "very cleverly hidden pathfinder"
every single thing they revealed, has at least one massive pitfall if not multiple that could make the entire system/announced thing dogshit

#

we really wont see wow bad stocks dropping until end of beta

upper pasture
#

eh, i like the fact we don't get true dragonflight until unlocking it whats the point of getting something if you don't get to progress it

strange falcon
#

sure,understandable, but if what we get day 1 is "glorified gliding" and we need to grind 4months for "semblance of GW2 flight" or have it locked until 10.2

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then you can see how it isnt very fun anymore

#

and both the "wow good" and the "wow bad" camps are at a standstill because we really dont have anything atm, too many things are vague

upper pasture
#

trust me i'm fine with no flying until pathfinder.

rain cave
#

why would they add a system only to gimp its functionality till a later patch especially when it's only for open world traversal lmao

#

nonsensical

#

sure we have to upgrade dragonriding

#

but it's like a talent tree or something

#

I doubt the major functionality will be held behind patches or months of grinding

#

sounds like something we'll just get as we play in the open world

strange falcon
rain cave
#

considering their messaging regarding this whole expansion

#

it seems antithetical to their goals

#

the zones are designed for flying

strange falcon
#

im fairly sure they did it in the past, but i dont have examples off the top of my head so my point is moot

proud wharf
upper pasture
#

i mean that's what they said in a interview unless blizz didn't make those zones

proud wharf
#

Maybe the size of Northrend or pandaria at best

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

unless they meant to say any continent added to WoW but only time will tell

cunning fossil
#

As long as it doesn't feel horrible at the start, upgrading it will be rewarding

cunning fossil
#

I believe it was with Warcraft Radio??

#

Not sure which but I do remember them saying that

strange falcon
#

oh no WAI came in here with his tank of hopium

cunning fossil
#

Oh shut up Daf

#

Unlike you, I want to at least be hopeful for the future of the game that I enjoy.

#

I'm not shilling for them

#

But I am being fair and providing my own opinions

upper pasture
#

shuuushhh, its okay for them to shit on the game but not okay for you to be hopeful shuuuusshhhh

cunning fossil
#

I'm also just stating facts I've heard from interviews and the like. That's it

proud wharf
#

The last expansions added the broken shore, kul tiras and zandalar if you remember

#

Islands.

#

I'm expecting dragon isles to be similar to them

cunning fossil
#

I mean the dev said it was

#

Like

#

I'm not speculating

proud wharf
#

Devs say a lot of things

cunning fossil
#

They said so. We'll just have to wait and see

strange falcon
#

this new bunnyguy seems pretty based

proud wharf
#

Yes

upper pasture
#

welp now i'm gonna check out

cunning fossil
#

And that's all we have to go off of. So we kinda have to go on their word with a grain of salf

#

But not disregard it

proud wharf
#

I've been in too many games with Devs that didn't follow their word

cunning fossil
#

We gotta stuck with these devs

strange falcon
cunning fossil
#

You can apply Yandere Dev logic to the WoW devs all the time lol

#

Can't*

#

I can't wait till Alpha so we get some solid info on physical things and stuff tbh. It'll help look at people's expectations

#

I hope dragonriding is a good feature since it could help make flying actually more engaging

#

Like GW2

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Also, copying from other games and innovating/iterating on it is literally what made WoW and Blizzard so successful so I'm confused why everyone is complaining about "copying"

strange falcon
#

inb4 dragonriding isnt account wide and you have to refarm it on every character

dense plover
cunning fossil
#

If it feels good erght off the bat, I don't think people will be too negative.
But yeah I hope they learned that account wide stuff is the way to go

dense plover
#

but the customizations maybe shouldnt be?

#

idk

cunning fossil
#

I would say that the customizations don't have to be yeah

#

After all u probably don't want the same dragon over Andover on each charavter

upper pasture
#

they might just do it the same way as cypher system. one character is time gated the rest is instant unlocked if you have enough resources

cunning fossil
#

So it incentivizes you to do different things on different characters

cunning fossil
#

The only shit thing is

#

The lock out

#

Please god may there be no 7 day wait

upper pasture
#

yeah, but i mean there was what 4 of those super long waits in cypher system. it wasn't that bad and since it was truly tied to power it wasn't bad but now alts be getting 252 gear in ZM isn't terrible

cunning fossil
#

True that

#

But it still feels bad since it's like

#

"I earned the currency already. Why do I have e to wait a week?"

ancient jasper
#

Any type of research that takes more than 24 hours, and even that is pushing it, needs to be taken out back and shot.

cunning fossil
#

True

#

TTYL I'm going to the opera

ancient jasper
#

Huh.. That is NOT something I hear every day lol

cunning fossil
#

Loll

rain cave
#

research shouldn't be a thing anyway imo

#

any effective timegating should just be hard limited by your actual playtime

#

I'm paying to play, not to log off after setting something to research

ember blaze
cosmic beacon
#

if you get max cypher rank you get 252 cypher gear

#

yes

upper pasture
#

^

cosmic beacon
#

the max rank being 6, you can see it when you check the cypher console out

#

top left

deep pawn
#

It scales the effects of bonuses on cypher gear too somewhat

proud wharf
#

How to train your dragon is trending on Netflix, must be everyone reading up on the lore for dragon isles

cunning fossil
#

Lmak

cunning fossil
#

When Dergonflew

rain cave
cunning fossil
#

Soon (TM)

uncut lintel
#

not soon enough

#

why didnt they just stop developing sl and just do fd

#

df

#

๐Ÿ˜

sullen dawn
#

They prolly did tbh

strange falcon
plain violet
#

Considering how they talked about working on this expansion since many years..

#

I think too.

cosmic beacon
#

hope it pays off Prayge

deep pawn
#

that's how every expansion works

#

as soon as one launches, a decent chunk of the dev team swaps off to start making the new zones and models

#

At the very least they've narrowed down even 11.0 to a couple ideas, if not already chosen

strange falcon
deep pawn
#

to speed it up as much as they could, but there's no way they built all those zones and models just since 9.2 zone and raid was finished on ptr

uncut lintel
#

@strange falcon iwant it now, since ur doge and usually doge are magic u can mage us go future by 10 months plz

strange falcon
#

No

uncut lintel
#

ill gib u 5000 million dollars

plain violet
#

I hope for more infos this week...

deep pawn
#

praying for PTR build, but more likely tomorrow with that QnA

deep pawn
#

9.2.5

ember blaze
#

i thought it was there already

languid yoke
#

new build

plain violet
#

Uh uh ?

subtle oar
deep pawn
#

MISSION TABLES ARE DEAD

cunning fossil
#

They were dead in 9.0 tho lmao

fathom pike
#

I seldom use the Mission Table in SL, hell even in BFA I didn't care for them

#

WoD was the only time I found them actually useful, maybe a bit of LEgion too

strange falcon
#

in WoD they were a money printing machine, as well as in legion, they were already feeling very useless in BfA, and SL were more for mounts only or some runes once a week

fathom pike
#

Garrison's themselves in WoD were money printing machines haha WoD was the XPac of getting rich, because there was nothing else to do

ember blaze
#

Iโ€™m sad they gave up on tables. We never even got that one human the kyrians dropped into the maw.

#

They could have also boosted the xp gains

strange falcon
#

i think it was mostly a removal because, they are so desperately "throwing anything the players asked" at the wall, because they are scared of multiple things actually.
all the things they keep announcing do reek of desperation to me

cunning fossil
#

They're all.good things daf

#

What do u want them to say

#

Announce*

strange falcon
#

it's like when that one guy that feels ontop of the world and has the ego larger than a mountain, gets a massive reality check and then he sees that he doesn't have the power to ignore what the players want anymore, and he's now like on the ground pleading "please come back, we'll do everything you asked for"

you're welcome for the mental image, a real good scene of this type is in the first season of Mob Psycho, watch it if you havent, great watch

rain cave
#

I've always been poor in WoW

#

hope the profession revamp gets me into them so i can make bank

deep pawn
#

Alpha Soon, no TM

dense plover
#

They likely want to handle any PR or streamer attention from that before distracting from it with alpha

#

IMO, definitely no later than early June

cunning fossil
#

๐Ÿฅบ

dense plover
#

Could be sooner but I think we will see a burst of builds on the dev server leading up to it

deep pawn
#

I'm pretty sure June would have deserved a SoonTM

#

anything over a month

cunning fossil
#

Yeah true

#

Also when 9m2.5 then?

#

Because they gotta put 9.2.5 on live before 10.0 goes in PTR?

deep pawn
#

nope

cunning fossil
#

How so?

deep pawn
#

beta are separate servers/clients

#

like near the end of beta we'll have the 10.0 beta and the 10.0 ptr at once

harsh wedge
#

@cunning fossil As you can see there are both, the PTR (9.2.5) and the Dev (10.0.0), they are already concurrent at the moment, they don't have to wait

cunning fossil
#

Well I couldn't see before cuz I don-/ have that info/know where to find it

#

But now I do thanks

#

Well damn :(

harsh wedge
cunning fossil
#

Oks

#

Anyways 9.2.5 in like

#

Probably 4 months right?

#

Because IIRC 9.2.5 launched in February?

#

Or am I dumb

harsh wedge
#

Wouldnt be weird they said they'd want patc hto be around 6 to 8 months

ancient jasper
#

Uh... If it takes them 4 more months to get 9.2.5 out.. Yiiiikes

strange falcon
rain cave
#

4 months from 9.2?

#

or 4 months from now

ancient jasper
#

4-5 months is an extreme for PTRs

#

Typically they last no more than 2-3 months

#

And that's between the BIG .1/.2/.3 patches. I'm pretty sure it's even shorter for the .5 patches

dense plover
#

Another ptr build on vendor2

#

Probably gonna see a new ptr build this week

deep pawn
#

wooo

#

hopefully tonight and make it a big one

deep pawn
#

Reward boxes from Callings now contain twice as many Grateful Offerings, still scaling with your covenant sanctumโ€™s Anima Conductor level.
The Zereth Mortis weekly quest โ€œPatterns Within Patternsโ€ now awards Grateful Offerings.

#

YAAAAAY

dense plover
#

There we go

#

Seems the vendor build was right before

deep pawn
#

JELLY CAT

dense plover
#

Iโ€™m upset jelly cat is not something you can come back to unlock

#

Thatโ€™s very upsetting

#

I hope they add a recolor or something

#

Still hoping we get a caterpillar mount one day

deep pawn
#

I like the social contract concept

#

even if all that is in the ToS already

#

Perhaps having it shorter people might read

cunning fossil
#

yeah

#

and now it's very clear what is and isn't grounds for termination I think

#

no more N or F word alterations in trade chat bois

deep pawn
#

Bah, I had hoped account wide covenant stuff would include the buildings

uncut lintel
#

weirdChamp yea jellycat locked behind raids because fuck casual players amirite

deep pawn
#

it's LFR based on the wording

uncut lintel
#

i hope its based lfr

#

otherwise i quit going to ff14

deep pawn
#

The title is heroic, the portals are mythic

uncut lintel
#

it better fucking be lfr

#

if its not idk what ima do

deep pawn
#

hmm, they really bugged the covenant stuff actually

uncut lintel
#

i cant play the game knowing i dont have that mount that iwas waiting for abt a year Prayge

#

i was praying store mount

#

because atleast everyone can get it

upper pasture
#

lets hope cat mount is lfr cause i don't want to have to find a guild again ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

uncut lintel
#

ill have to fully gear and learn how to do raiding in 10 months when i have 0 experience

#

thats gonna be fun if its not lfr

#

let alone feral druid mains never get invited

upper pasture
#

i mean, normal isn't bad just depends in the affix that we are getting whatever fated is

deep pawn
#

I mean pugging normal wouldn't be that bad

uncut lintel
#

but it is bad

ember blaze
uncut lintel
#

i have 0 experience Prayge

#

i really just wanted to spend 25 bucks and done

#

or atleast mythic+ cuz that i can do

ember blaze
#

normal is barely one step up from lfr

uncut lintel
#

yea everyones saying its ez but i highly doubbt it

ember blaze
#

cause it is

#

it wont be easy if youre doing it on release

#

specially with an affix

uncut lintel
#

thats the thing

#

Prayge i just pray lfr otherwise i once again have 0 faith in casual content for blizzard

ember blaze
#

normal is casual ๐Ÿ˜‚

uncut lintel
#

its not LUL

ember blaze
#

you dont even need a guild for it

uncut lintel
#

no but my problem is i have no experience and im a feral druid

#

stuck at 251 ilvl

#

no one wants me

upper pasture
#

idk man, the last guild i was in keep wiping on sire D cause our tank didn't understand why the healers couldn't keep him alive while he TURNED around and walk into the mirror when Mr. D is slapping him in the back

ember blaze
uncut lintel
#

weirdChamp sure

upper pasture
#

naw its true

ember blaze
#

unless youre one of those that ports in, dies on purpose and afks

uncut lintel
#

no

ember blaze
#

or just clicks the boss and auto attacks

uncut lintel
#

most ppl dont even count lfr as experience tho from wut ive seen

#

then again all of my "friends" are on EU

#

so idk

ember blaze
#

the point is for your to understand the mechanics

upper pasture
#

like lfr->normal is like just things hit harder and mechanics actually will one shot you

uncut lintel
#

understanding mechs voidge thats gonna be a pain inthe ass

#

i have to like read it 50 times to even understand part of it :l

upper pasture
#

but you KNOW them if you've gone through lfr

uncut lintel
#

no i dont

#

i just que and kill

upper pasture
#

but you do the things yes?

uncut lintel
#

well wait no

#

i know some of the

#

m

#

like the big spider boss

ember blaze
#

if the jailer rune targets you, what do you do

uncut lintel
#

or the teleporter boss

#

no idea on jailer LUL i died by accidentally walking into one of the holes

uncut lintel
#

literally before he aws even pulled i died LUL

ember blaze
#

i just skimmed through normal and you can find groups that dont require kills

#

some want easy one shots if theyre on alts or whatever

#

but you can avoid those groups

uncut lintel
#

i guess

ember blaze
#

trust me when i say some of the people in those groups dont know shit about the fight

#

but theyre in there

uncut lintel
#

but my spec is gonna be such a downer

#

just being feral in sl is seen as bad omen

ember blaze
#

nobody cares

#

can you still alive?

#

congratulations on your cat

uncut lintel
#

yea probably

ember blaze
#

that or you can go sign up on the waitlist for those community runs

uncut lintel
#

voidge i really hope ist all raid tiers including lfr

#

please blizzard

upper pasture
#

cat mount might be normal or lfr

deep pawn
#

hopefully LFR

#

It'll be open to feedback I'm sure

uncut lintel
#

please

#

where can i submit feedback or when

deep pawn
#

they are making the LFR UI work for fated at least

uncut lintel
#

ill tell em im a single mom 3 kids not enough time to do raiding other than lfr

#

;lu

deep pawn
#

oh this build really borked up covenant swapping

uncut lintel
#

why

#

what did they do

#

?

deep pawn
#

just bugs I'm sure

uncut lintel
#

oh

upper pasture
#

i've been meaning to swap and level the the other ones but i'm so lazy ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

deep pawn
#

swap covenant and it doesn't remember your other soulbinds at all

uncut lintel
#

wait friend sended me this

#

notlikecat PLEASE KEEP IT

ember blaze
deep pawn
#

that was last build

ember blaze
#

my poor maxed out buildings for characters i dont play anymore

deep pawn
#

this build they doubled all the wings and slapped a 240 ilvl requirement

uncut lintel
#

i hope they keep it

#

also wdym by doubled the wings

deep pawn
#

bug report about covenant swapping being messed up submitted

uncut lintel
#

when is the new build coming out

#

or is there one already

deep pawn
#

new build tonight

#

its how we know about jelly cat

uncut lintel
#

wtf how many wings do they need

deep pawn
#

they aren't going to remove the unfated versions I guess

uncut lintel
#

yea why would they lol

deep pawn
#

well as it stands Fated is a default affix that swaps each week.

uncut lintel
#

so like

#

every week, theres one affix and its the same affix for each raid?

#

and it changed every week

deep pawn
#

One raid is affixed and that rotates

uncut lintel
#

or is it different per raid

deep pawn
#

so first week is Nathria, next week Sanctum, etc

uncut lintel
#

yea ik but

#

wait

#

notlikecat wait i think i messed up

#

the affix just swaps to the different raid, i mistaked i thought there were 3 affixes

deep pawn
#

there's 4 actually. I think they go to bosses most suited to it

uncut lintel
#

ok now im even more confused

#

im sorry ik i should be understanding it

#

but wut i mean is, does each raid like, say, sanctum had affix, is it gonna be a different affix for the septuchar one that same week or will all raids have the same affix, llike i dont unedrstand OMEGALUL

deep pawn
#

it's a bit complex

uncut lintel
#

or does the affix only go to one raid per week

#

and swaps throughout 4 random affixes

deep pawn
#

There's 4 different affixes that do different things. One raid will be Fated and those 4 affixes will be split up among the bosses.

uncut lintel
#

my stupid brain doesnt get shit most normal ppl understand

deep pawn
#

each week the raid that is fated swaps

uncut lintel
#

ok ok thank u

#

i get itnow

deep pawn
#

it's so we don't have 10-11 bosses all with the same affix

#

I hope at least.

uncut lintel
#

im pray they keep the lfr bcuz ik their high end players will complain abt us people who do lfr getting shit

deep pawn
#

They haven't actually tested fated yet

#

Limited Currency...

#

LIMITED_CURRENCY_PURCHASE (New) - This item costs %s. After this, you'll only be able to spend %d more %s.|n|n Are you sure you want to exchange %s for this item?
LIMITED_CURRENCY_PURCHASE_FINAL (New) - This is your final %s to spend. After this, the %s merchants will leave.|n|n Are you sure you want to exchange %s for this item?

#

Also, new store thingy of some sort

#

VAS_TOKEN_TOOLTIP_STATUS_NO_CHARACTERS (New) - You don't have any eligible characters on this realm.
VAS_TOKEN_TOOLTIP_STATUS_REVIEW (New) - Your order is being processed. Please check back later.

uncut lintel
#

wait

#

pre patch for df maybe?

#

idk

#

why would they limit time a currency other than pre patch

deep pawn
#

well a limited currency where you can spend and then it goes away could be interesting in keys and such

uncut lintel
#

๐Ÿค” i g

deep pawn
#

Could work with Disguised, find a disguised broker hiding in the dungeon, and then buy some stuff off it

harsh wedge
#

What could the "VAS_TOKEN" be in the other strings ?

deep pawn
#

perhaps it's a merging of all "Value Added Services"

uncut lintel
#

new wow token

#

๐Ÿ˜

ember blaze
#

@uncut lintelis that your art

uncut lintel
#

what

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@ember blaze wat

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I highkey like the Fated Raids system for 9.2.5
Actually gives you a reason to run the older raids in the tier outside of glam

urban spire
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its huge

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and they could expand it

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like how they;'re doing with the dungeon rotation

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what if they had 2 raids per season that had content that was relevenat?

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1 current and 1 old raid per season

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would be fucking awesome

deep pawn
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That might be a bit too much, l do like a last patch epilogue that makes them all relevant again

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Guilds wouldn't want to run 20+ bosses a week

ember blaze
uncut lintel
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no thanks

subtle oar
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ToT or Ulduar?! Fuck yeah

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Even ICC

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My god fuck yes please

urban spire
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why would they need to run 20 bosses a week? You dont have to kill them all

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you could choose one raid one week and the other the next

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sure meta slaves might

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for most people I dont see why you would do 20 bosses

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I liked when I could raid emerald nightmare and nighthold at the same time for relevant gear

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and highmaul+brf

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and another thing they could do if that was unpopular

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is basically halving the season for pve time

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keep the pvp season as long as it is now

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but say make a season for pve 3 months

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and after 3 months the p2 of season 1 starts

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and has an old raid with the current

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but make it not a real new season

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but half way into season add an old raid

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because you cannot tell me there are people still raiding the current raid after 3 months on their main other than mythic and late heroic progression guilds

deep pawn
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If you had 20 bosses all dropping the same ilvl gear people will kill all 20 to maximize loot

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Even Blizzard is aware of of that by them likely rotating the active raid each week on s4

urban spire
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yeah but not everyone is gonna do that

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if great vault stays the same with capping at 8 bosses

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then people other than the meta slaves wont care

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it'll just be more variety on raid night

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personally I think most people wouldn't care

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I don't see people spamming every mythic+ dungeon every day to maximize loot