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[uncut lintel]

sue if blizzard kills him

[hasty pivot]

https://twitter.com/warcraft/status/1516900535080738819?s=21&t=LhY96g7dsyNdW2X_NXWJMw

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

List of classes from left to right:

• Rogue, Druid, Shaman
• Monk, Paladin, Warrior
• Evoker, Priest, Warlock, Demon Hunter
• Death Knight, Mage, Hunter

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Twitter · Apr 20, 2022, 10:04 PM

labeled the sets rq

[cosmic beacon]

all of them look cool asf

hopefully the ingame sets are very similar

[uncut lintel]

PLEASE LET THEM BE TOSE COLORS AND NOT BLAND

[proud wharf]

Wait hang on

Evoker tier set hrmrm

[rain cave]

speaking of colours

I wonder what the different difficulties will be

do they all have the 4 element colours? and they're just showing the different elements among the base sets

or will all the DK sets be blue of some kind, with maybe one alternate

also

hunter set that's not shit?

pog?

[plain violet]

The hunter set is amazing.

Mail wearers, rejoice!

[rain cave]

doubly so as we have another class to steal a set from if hunter set ends up being bad in the future!

also we talked about it before, but I can totally see ranged survival returning

either by having 2 entry points to the survival talent tree, or making all the melee abilities just one area of the tree

and having a bunch of bow stuff in the class tree or another area of the survival one

[plain violet]

Exactly!

I do also agree with the new talent system idea.

They talked about being hybrid like holy/ret..

[rain cave]

I wonder what mages will get up to

bringing back multispec mage

[plain violet]

And some spells are unlocked by default for a spec, not for the other.

So... mmmh.. i will try an hybrid survival/beast mastery. Fit my character pretty well.

And on my druid, feral/guardian, feral all over again, the return.

True!

[rain cave]

I want to see these trees in action

warlock could be interesting too I suppose

[plain violet]

Yeah. I am eager for that...

Every spec could be new.

[rain cave]

and disc priests can become more focused on healing or dps

[plain violet]

And if not toooo meta...

Could have a total RPG feeling.

Yes!

Or DK mixing blood and frost.

[rain cave]

hm

[plain violet]

Monk healing and DPS.

The return of the red crane.

[rain cave]

please give enhance 2handed

[plain violet]

Well.. really promising as a whole.

[rain cave]

please

[plain violet]

Ahaha.

[rain cave]

it's such a cool fantasy

that's been ignored

[plain violet]

There is so many things to do with.

I can't wait.

[ember blaze]

what would be the use of this though

[cunning fossil]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/ion-hazzikostas-on-dragonflight-season-1-mythic-dungeon-rotation-and-loot-326791?webhook

I do be happy with this

[deep pawn]

I don't think we'll be that flexible

Like disc isn't getting shadow form for example

Frost mages can already cast fireblast, and outside of a legendary they don't

[ancient jasper]

I seriously feel like bringing Reforging back would help a fuckton. It would make it to where even items without your best stat wouldn't necessarily be useless.

[ember blaze]

and all specs have frostbolt too

but it's like, what would be the benefit for the other 2 specs to cast anything else

aside from things like the frost orb and hail..

which just would be stupid

[cunning fossil]

WIth the ability to put time into trees who knoiws

[ember blaze]

yeah but imagine weaking your combust window to talent into arcane

[subtle oar]

PLEASE BRING THIS BACK

OMFG

[cunning fossil]

You could get a Frost mage, who can do some burst fire damage

IDK but I wanna know

[deep pawn]

We'll have to see other trees. Right now druids only get things they got from affinity talents except for resto and balance possibly getting skull basj

Solar beam is in balance tree for example not class

[cunning fossil]

You're probably getting utility, not pure DPS stuff

[subtle oar]

I hope they do some spec redesigns too

[ember blaze]

what utility do each mage spec not share?

[subtle oar]

BM does need some love. I REALLY want KC to be my big dmg button and I want it to feel impactful

[cunning fossil]

YOu could have Fire SHield instead of Frost, or Priusmatic instead of FIre. And we don't know what other talents could come in

[deep pawn]

I have no idea how class trees on other classes will look. Probably a lot more passive talents compared to druids

[cunning fossil]

The point is thought htat there is more variety of choice and that's good

[ember blaze]

from what ive seen, currently all classes share all their class utility

[cunning fossil]

Even if it's a DPS loss to whoever uses it, it could provide utilty that no other way can provide

[deep pawn]

Druids at least aren't getting much we didn't already get from affinities

[cunning fossil]

Again. talents could change that

You can at least get typhoon while specializing into Bear Form as a Resto druid so

that is already an example of something you can't do currently

[deep pawn]

That feels fairly minor, but yeah

[cunning fossil]

You could get Cauterizing Flames as a Frost aMge

[subtle oar]

@cunning fossil You should've seen Fire Mages in Cata. Holy fuck, they were busted. That Mega DoT they could do was fucking insane

[deep pawn]

I bet that's in the fire tree

[cunning fossil]

I'm shooting ideas on the wall as examples

So act as if it isn't for a minute

or at least will be more in the fire branch

[deep pawn]

Yeah, at least one interview said they want a calculator out before alpha at least

[cunning fossil]

rather than only the tree

oooh that sounds cool

Mid Range Survival bois

YEs it's a meme but I can still dream hush

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834

[uncut lintel]

AHIDFEHA

[cunning fossil]

What's that about? Is it op?

[subtle oar]

I really feel like a lot of specs in the game could hybridize except Survival. Since Hunters can no longer wield Melee AND Ranged weapons at the same time, Surv is still locked out of talenting into the ranged abilities of the other specs. Sure Surv could maybe go SURV/BM and talent into making their pet a bit more impactful, but SRUV/MM would be impossible unless Blizz lifts the Requires Ranged weapon restriction.

[ember blaze]

idk if a class that can reset their immunity should have another way out of situations

@subtle oarwhat if you just did something like outlaw

[subtle oar]

Explain

[ember blaze]

from my understanding they have long range abilities with a pistol, without actually having that as a weapon

[subtle oar]

Nah. They have Between the Eyes and Pistol Shot. Neither are long range.

[ember blaze]

arent they like 15y or something 🤔

[subtle oar]

Between the Eyes is a crit buf CD Combo spender

Pistol shot is just a combo generator when it procs, you never cast it unless it procs.

[ember blaze]

yeah, pistol shot is 20y

yeah but im not talking about their mechanics or rotation

just that they pull out a gun for long range abilities

[subtle oar]

Those are not Ranged tho, its "ranged"

Its not long range. Its mid range at best.

[ember blaze]

i think youre just being pedantic

but i feel like a similar thing could work for survival

[subtle oar]

No. Pulling a pistol out of your belt is believable

Pulling a crossbow or Bow out is not

[ember blaze]

sure thing

[cunning fossil]

The idea is good, but starting an expansion without having the rotation of all the dungeons is terrible. Then there is the issue that a BiS item for your class is in a dungeon that was left out of the rotation, how will the player feel knowing that he will spend a whole season without the possibility of getting this item at the right ilvl?

TFW people don't realize that BiS changes every season anyways

so last season's BiS is gone? There's gonna be a new BiS

Kek W

[opaque pewter]

That's how it works

[cunning fossil]

It is. but people seem to have forgotten that

and so they bringing it up as an issue when it lkegit isn't

[opaque pewter]

Let them cry and adapt I say lol

[deep pawn]

They literally say that if an old trinket is too strong, they'll nerf it while it's out of the rotation

[cunning fossil]

Same

[subtle oar]

I'd rather not farm the exact same item again just at a higher ilvl. Its so fucking annoying. So to have it mixed up would be awesome

[sonic flame]

where are the people I discussed this with?

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonriding-and-regular-flying-while-in-the-dragon-isles/1224966

[cunning fossil]

Exactly. I'm wondering why peoplea re complaining that they won't be able to do that

Like they're so fucking wierd

[sonic flame]

as you can see this very much interests players

mine was not an alien cope kinda thing

[uncut lintel]

can we not go back to the "lol this game sucks i cant use normal mounts to fly" convo

[cunning fossil]

Who suspected that Dragon Isles wouldn't have rgular flying?

Literally no one

[uncut lintel]

lets just not

[deep pawn]

"If we ended up landing in a situation where a specific item from the prior season’s dungeons was beating higher item level alternatives from the following season, we’d make tuning adjustments to correct that. You shouldn’t need to worry about “missable BiS” being a thing. But on the other hand, we’ve heard tons of feedback about how re-farming Soulletting Ruby, IQD, etc., every season hasn’t exactly felt like a compelling progression experience, so we’re excited at the chance to shake things up there."

[sonic flame]

i won't

[uncut lintel]

lets talk abt HOW COOL HE XPAC IS GONNA BE IN GENERAL OMG IT HAS DUCKS AND DRAGONS RACE AND IM HYPE and im being over reactive again

[sonic flame]

just wanted to punctualize that I am not the only idiot that brings it back

[opaque pewter]

It's similar to how tier bonus of last season was always handled

If it was too strong and bleeds into the new meta, it will be nerfed

[cunning fossil]

what a surprise

[subtle oar]

Dragon race or Duck Race? :>

[uncut lintel]

duck race covered in buffalo sauce on my plate

[subtle oar]

lmao

[dense plover]

I really liked Ion’s response here. I’m not entirely sold and I realize it’s likely being done in order to not have to make a new dungeon for the 2nd season, but it definitely will mean the first 2 seasons have totally separate dungeon pools and that’s a good thing

[deep pawn]

I love MoP Dungeons so I'm not upset

[subtle oar]

I do hope we go back to the days where we get more dungeons as the xpac goes on. Not just Megadungeons.

[uncut lintel]

just dont go back to stratholme

or trashy trashed overpacked dungeons

please

[subtle oar]

Nuuu, let there be a new Stratholme and let the dungeon be about reclaiming it for Lordaeron!

[ember blaze]

id rather they cut back on the initial dungeon release and release more dungeons over the expac

[uncut lintel]

NO

that dungeon still takes over an hour to do this day

if ur lvling i guess

[deep pawn]

Uldaman is being updated like UBRS

[subtle oar]

Nah. The more the merrier

[deep pawn]

Shado-pan is a name he dropped, but I wouldn't like that one as much

[uncut lintel]

shado pan tiger mounts

[ember blaze]

at one point it's gonna get insanely overwhelming with 20 dungeons a season

[subtle oar]

I miss the days when they launched with a bunch of dungeons and then released more later on that gave really good gear as catch up

[ember blaze]

cause now youre also including the rotation from old dungeons

[subtle oar]

GIB MORE OF THESE!!!!!

OMFG

I LOVE THOSE TIGERS!

[uncut lintel]

imagine updated version

[deep pawn]

they're swapping out entirely

[ember blaze]

yes i know

[subtle oar]

[deep pawn]

I think they've decided they like 8 dungeons a season

[subtle oar]

4 urrent, 4 old

[ember blaze]

cause it sucks getting 8 dungeons in an expac, and that entire initial story taking place there. And then having nothing for the next 2 years

8 is already a lot to start with

[deep pawn]

not really, other expansions had more than 8

[subtle oar]

Back in the day we used to get more on launch and then more thru-out the xpac

[uncut lintel]

I WANT A WHOLE MOVIE ABOUT DRAGONFLIGHT

[deep pawn]

BfA even had 10

[subtle oar]

Look at wrath

[uncut lintel]

ANIMATED 2 HOUR MOVIE JUST ABT DRAGONS BY BLIZZARD

[subtle oar]

Wrath launched with a good number of Dungeons and then got more later that continued the main story

[ember blaze]

@deep pawnthat's the point im trying to make

we start with a huge amount of dungeons right off the bat

and then have nothing for the next 2 years

[subtle oar]

Thats a good thing

[subtle oar]

Thats Blizz being stupid

[uncut lintel]

hey question

[ember blaze]

and i dont think people want 15 new dungeons + 5 from rotation each season

[uncut lintel]

whosw the leader of the bronze dragonflight the aspects name

[subtle oar]

Back in the day, we used to get a lot on launch and more thru-out the xpac. Pls listen to what we are saying.

[subtle oar]

Nozdormu

[ember blaze]

and im arguing that isnt good either

[uncut lintel]

ty wynt

[subtle oar]

Yes it is.

[deep pawn]

Here's hoping we get some added over the expansion

[subtle oar]

Its 1000% a good thing

[deep pawn]

If we're getting 4 seasons again they'd need something for s3 and s4

[ember blaze]

this is all personal opinion if it's good or bad

[subtle oar]

Wrath M+

👀

[deep pawn]

Wrath had 16 dungeons, 4 which were patch dungeons

[uncut lintel]

does wowhead not have the 3d models for the dragon aspects like alex and norz

[ember blaze]

that is just insane

😓

[subtle oar]

Thats awesome!*

[deep pawn]

random heroics were fun

plus you had daily quests to do a specific dungeon

[subtle oar]

Only dungeon I didnt like in Wrath was Violet Hold

[ember blaze]

specially with keys being rng

[deep pawn]

Weekly raid quests

[ember blaze]

and then having to optimize 16 dungeons

for m+

[subtle oar]

Fuck optimizing. Thats not fun.

[ember blaze]

that's what you do for competitive stuff

[subtle oar]

No one watches MDI anymore because its formulatic

People loved it in Legion because everything was all over the place and watching the teams deal with it was fun

[ember blaze]

that makes sense considering it was a new feature

[uncut lintel]

NOOO THEY DONT HAVE THE THEME SONG FOR THE DRAGONFLIGHT CINAMATIC OUT YET I WANTE TO LISTEN TO IT

[subtle oar]

Then Blizz optimatized the shit out of it and now everything feels the same and there is nothing exciting about M+

I'm hella looking forward to MoP dingeons being in the m+ pool. THAT will get me into M+

[ember blaze]

idk what blizz has to do with this

when players themselves do/will do it

[subtle oar]

Blizz is the one that designed the dungeons and M+ Not the players lmao

[ember blaze]

and the players are the ones that optimize comps and routes

[subtle oar]

xD

No. You fail to understand something about the players. Players reactions are always to correct for Blizzards mistakes.

[ember blaze]

nah, that's you

[subtle oar]

xD

Okay bro.

[deep pawn]

https://imgur.com/d5m5FXf.jpg

oh, this shows off the torso differences haha

[ember blaze]

poggers

im happy they get some armor pieces too

[deep pawn]

that's probably not as bulky as people want

[cunning fossil]

i wish there was askinny, medium, lorge

[ember blaze]

i'm gonna have a hard time deciding what color I wanna be 🤔

[proud wharf]

I've been going through the dragonflight lore videos

Probably gonna choose blue or black

[ember blaze]

i'm gonna main healer so im leaning towards green

and might even use the name of a green dragon npc

but black is also really cool 🤔

[rain cave]

is there a difference between these?

[deep pawn]

there is, in the shoulders and waist

[uncut lintel]

if they make it too bulky itll loko kidna stupid tbh

[deep pawn]

Jackie: Oh, so we’re keeping it. For the new player experience, new players specifically will be sent from Exile’s Reach to BFA, then onto Dragon Isles. More veteran players, people who have already leveled a character to max can choose like Chromie Time to go level in Draenor or Pandaria or Shadowlands. But for new players, it’s going to go: Exile’s Reach, BFA, Dragon Isles.

Interesting

They're gonna pretend SL doesn't exist haha

[rain cave]

wait

so you can't do chromie time on your first playthrough/levelling experience?

I thought new players could just spawn in and level wherever they wanted

[deep pawn]

nope, you have to do BfA

[rain cave]

how weird

they should reconsider that

since levelling just BfA isn't enough for 10-60

for sure

unless they are really buffing xp gains

[deep pawn]

I'm sure they'll adjust

https://www.wowhead.com/news/details-about-revamped-talents-trees-style-of-nodes-completing-talent-trees-326795

[rain cave]

so something I'm beginning to notice is that

there's leylines, like the nexus, nightwell

and they are blueish

arcane

and then tyrhold has a crystal that's channeling gold energy into azeroth

and then azerite is blue and gold

perhaps the leylines and this crystal are connected to why azeroth is as it is

infused like that

[uncut lintel]

🤔

woa

[rain cave]

titans make more titans by forcefully infusing world souls, perhaps?

[uncut lintel]

WAAIT

WHY DONT DRUIDS HAV E A FAE GLYPH FOR FLIGHT FORM

they are aprt of the druids

[subtle oar]

Thats a dumb idea

[rain cave]

old gods are the same idea but for void

🤷‍♂️

[subtle oar]

Titans exist naturally. The Void wants to infest a slumbering Titan

They're not the same

[cunning fossil]

NGL they say some bold words here
.I'm all for it

[signal bone]

will there by combat for dragonriding?

[cosmic beacon]

From the looks of it no, mainly as a way of transportation

And tbh i don’t dragonriding combat, seems like a dumb gimmick and we all know how good blizz are at implimentijg vehicle combat

[rain cave]

implying azeroth IS a titan

and titans existed naturally

[cosmic beacon]

No consent? Blizzard will be hearing from me very soon

[ember blaze]

the game could use fights where stuff like dragonflight is included

but not like you fight in them

[glass flicker]

Implying? It's confirmed.

[rain cave]

not entirely

we just know azeroth is a world soul, and that world souls can turn in to titans

we also know that world souls can be used for other things

and that azeroth in particular is more important somehow

[glass flicker]

World souls are like eggs. And if Azeroth began to hatch, we'd be fucked.

Maybe that's what's happening on the back of Azeroth.

She's trying to slip out of her shell without making it Argus 2.5

[rain cave]

I'm so curious as to what that crystal at tyrshold is

[slim garnet]

Good professions for shaman that are also good for making gold?

[cosmic beacon]

Don’t ask in multiple channels, especially in ones not intended for it

[glass flicker]

Considering that facility was built 10k years ago, probably something we've never seen before.

So not Azerite, not Azjarite, and definitely not other Mountain Giant shit.

[slim garnet]

fck dude my bad thought this was the other LOL

[rain cave]

What's it channeling the light into，so many questions

Uldaz underneath?

[glass flicker]

Uldaz or Uldis, or Uldorus.

You name it.

But we do have a dungeon that takes place in Uldaman again.

[rain cave]

Dragons were charged with protecting it seems like

[glass flicker]

That's curious.

[rain cave]

Even if they didn't know

Since they closed the isle off instead of leaving it open

And with the talk of primordial magic returning to the land

[glass flicker]

So what that crystal may be is actually what the Ashbringer and Light's Wrath were built with.

Consider Tyr was the keeper of light.

[rain cave]

Lights wrath was a shadow crystal

[glass flicker]

So was Ashbringer until it was purified.

[rain cave]

Aye

So maybe same thing?

[glass flicker]

But who knows.

[rain cave]

As in type

Not literally a fragment

Interesting that the expansion with a big place/object of light power

[glass flicker]

If that thing was split in two and the stone bois died to time, then someone may have made it to the island, nicked some shards and pissed off.

[rain cave]

Has turalyon at the helm

And a quest with blood Knights preceeding

Maybe turalyon will want to resurrect xera?

[glass flicker]

Not sure resurrected Naaru are a thing.

Maybe her essence but not her form.

[rain cave]

Maybe the blood Knight girl from child's day

Will make a move

She wants to own a dragon after all

[glass flicker]

I think she will just want to play How to Train your Dragon but forced.

[rain cave]

Would be cool to see her as one of the horde expedition

[glass flicker]

sigh A fucking dragon!

And then kills it.

[rain cave]

And she gradually grows in significance

Actual longer story arch than the jailer

[glass flicker]

Buddy.

The stone boi in the cinematic had 3 minutes of screen time.

And he has more personality than Zovaal.

Not a word, nothing, but his body language and facial expressions totally sold it.

Meanwhile, Zovaal was handsome Squidward and was falling through holes in the room you're supposed to fight him in.

[uncut lintel]

he has more emotion than the lion king remake and hes made of fucking stone

[glass flicker]

Also true. Scar in the cartoon was top tier personality. Kniving, sarcastic, etc.

In the live action? Nothing.

[uncut lintel]

tru

[glass flicker]

A villain with a goal and no personality.

That was both Zovaal and live action Scar.

[rain cave]

I'm laughing at how much they're ignoring Shadowlands though

Like legion was a direct follow from WoD

Even WoD was set up by mop

Bfa was put into motion because of the sword in legion

Shadowlands was directly tied to bfa

This xpac they're just like

"ok look over here, dragons!"

[glass flicker]

I mean, what plot hook can they even follow after Shadowlands?

More cosmic bullshit? No thanks.

[rain cave]

First ones structure being damaged

[glass flicker]

The brokers and the automa have it.

[rain cave]

Allowing things to get through that shouldn't

[glass flicker]

The devourers were pretty lame despite being dimension hopping blue bois.

[rain cave]

No they hinted that the first ones balance has been slightly damaged, we can't understand what will happen but there's something brewing

Also azeroth got succ

[glass flicker]

Again, no more cosmic bullshit please.

[rain cave]

Though the soul succ is probably the hook

They're just not saying it yet

[glass flicker]

Alexstasza said the world is healing so eh.

Probably not important that Zovaal made an Azerite crisis for Magni to freak out over again.

[rain cave]

Yeah she's healing after being headhunted by everyone

Wonder what magni will do

He's probably in the uldaman thing I imagine

[glass flicker]

Scream CHAMPIEN and give us the largest quest we've ever embarked on, for 120 Azerite and 35 gold.

[rain cave]

I've also realized they've set up a full dungeon party of on ice characters

Kadghar, sylvanas and illidan DPS, magni tanking and anduin healing

[glass flicker]

We both know Khadgar and Illidan are competing for top DPS.

Sylvanas is literally a dead chick with a bow now.

Nothing else.

Dare I say, Illidan is stronger than Khadgar.

[subtle oar]

Uh no xD World Souls are sulmbering Titans. They dont stop being Titans

[rain cave]

Says who?

[glass flicker]

Reckon Azeroth's back is hidden because she's trying to slip out of her egg without making a mess?

[rain cave]

The book written by beings who only saw world souls turn into titans

[subtle oar]

Oh god Xd God damnit Demo

[glass flicker]

XD

[subtle oar]

Literally ALL the Lore we have about Titans.

[rain cave]

Which is from the titans workers

Who's only goal on our planet is to make sure she's a titan

[glass flicker]

If it bleeds, it's a Titan.

[rain cave]

And we know the titans keep information from them if they deem it beneficial

[glass flicker]

We can't just unearth these secrets. We must unazeroth them.

[rain cave]

It's completely within character for them to have just said to their robots "see this? This is going to be a titan, make sure it happens" and not tell them it could be something else

We already know from established lore that world souls don't have to be titans

The old gods wanted to make their own being

For void

[glass flicker]

It literally never happened.

We got very lucky.

A void titan would spell the destruction of everything.

[rain cave]

But what if it isn't a void titan

It's just the void equivalent

[glass flicker]

So you're saying corrupted Titans may turn into Void Lords?

[rain cave]

They're not equivalent

Imo

Void lords are the bosses

[glass flicker]

It's not a bad theory, but also very unlikely.

[rain cave]

Azeroth ain't no Normal world soul either

[glass flicker]

Consider that void lords are so powerful they can't enter the physical plane. So they throw specks of themselves to become pimples on planets.

[rain cave]

I'd argue that the old gods were a combination

They stole the framework from other realms

[glass flicker]

With what grounds?

[rain cave]

Yogg being the god of death

Curse of flesh

Old gods in the flesh aren't pure void

[glass flicker]

That sounds reasonable, but then why is N'zoth full void?

[rain cave]

He isn't

[glass flicker]

He hasn't shown other traits.

[rain cave]

Did you play nyalotha

[glass flicker]

Yeah, duh?

[rain cave]

Did you play antorus

[glass flicker]

What has Antorus to do with this?

[rain cave]

Pure void is on argus

Flat black purple nothingness energy

[glass flicker]

That's on Eredath, my dude.

[rain cave]

Old gods are more similar to the maldraxxus

[rain cave]

You get my point though

Also worst name change

[glass flicker]

So you argue that N'zoth isn't pure void. What is he then?

[uncut lintel]

an old god

[glass flicker]

And aren't old gods void alligned, Foksi?

[rain cave]

A void entity given fleshy, mortal form

[uncut lintel]

yes

[glass flicker]

No, it's literally the pimple of a void lord.

[uncut lintel]

PIMPLE

[rain cave]

Where's it say that

[glass flicker]

Where's it say anything you said?

[rain cave]

It's a theory based on established lore

[uncut lintel]

wheres it say anything both of u guys said

[rain cave]

Since we don't have concrete fact

Titans are beings of order mixed with other things

Why not old gods?

Especially since they've shown to be related to mortality

And that pure void isn't fleshy

In the Shadowlands void invasion there wasn't any fleshy stuff if I remember right

Maybe they invaded, stole or acquired a means of creating beings similar to the maldraxxus

Created old gods

I'm going to sleep

[ember blaze]

interrupt on resto druid confirmed 🤔

[cunning fossil]

I mean if you talent into it

yes

NGL I'd like O-O

[deep pawn]

You'll likely give up something defensive

or in this case, you give up a ton of stuff in balance

and no Heart of the Wild

[cunning fossil]

Won’t people just go to a website and find a build and just use that instead of experimenting with the talent trees?
We’re sure that this will happen. We’re also sure that people will make fun and distinct builds that work for their own style of playing the game.

[ember blaze]

for your main tree sure

[deep pawn]

Spec tree will be about math and throughput

Class tree is a lot more utility

[ember blaze]

yep

[deep pawn]

Without spec passives having cross spec stuff isn't that amazing

Like destro isn't gonna use corruption

[cunning fossil]

I';m still happy we get things either way

even if in the end it'll get mathed out

and it seems the Devs know this too

so I'm good

[ember blaze]

remove rupture from sub 🤔

[cunning fossil]

Give Outlaw Poison MAstery

[ember blaze]

delete sub 🤔

[cunning fossil]

kek

[cunning fossil]

https://twitter.com/SaintEtzer/status/1516965834786279424?t=6ttPG-ynKWPOyFle3rHtTw&s=19

saint (@SaintEtzer)

haha ... yeah ... gnome dracthyr with minimal draconic features in their visage... who would really want that anyway .... 🥲

Twitter · Apr 21, 2022, 2:23 AM

God damn this community

Making me want this

[proud wharf]

Me waiting for everyone to be chromie

[proud wharf]

oh cool

in hazels interview the Dracythr are able to do the dragon-riding base level as a racial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMKKjtXL6j8&t=0s

[languid yoke]

damn gear shop adding wotlk classic merch but no DRAGONS yet

[copper isle]

The main thing I'm excited for in WOTLK Classic is the raids, I swear no expansion yet has bested WOTLK's Raids

[ember blaze]

In what way

I didn’t play wrath

[proud wharf]

Ulduar alone is amazing

[ancient jasper]

Yeeep

Ulduar is still, to this day, in my top 3 favorite Raids

[ember blaze]

I’ve heard of ulduar a lot. But not any other wrath raid.

[ancient jasper]

ICC was pretty good. Trials of the Grand Crusader was.. okay. Naxx was fun. Obsidian Sanctum was a decent mini Raid

Ruby Sanctum was.. filler.

[proud wharf]

You face jarraxus

Eradar lord of the burning legion

[ancient jasper]

Stupid Gnomes always thinking they're hot shit until a Burning Legion Lord smacks them

[deep pawn]

I really liked ToC

[rain cave]

wilfred fizzlebang was the one who escaped the maw

kek

[ember blaze]

who

[rain cave]

the guy who summoned jaraxxus

I'm riffing off the wrath discussion

[vernal juniper]

How do you expain this?

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1516464484499570690

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

I'm still surprised with how literally everything Scaleface said came true, except his insistence that it was coming in November 2022 and that season four was canceled. That's some really odd stuff to be wrong about when he clearly had access to actual Blizzard material...

Twitter · Apr 19, 2022, 5:11 PM

Scaleface got everything right, the only thing wrong is the date?

Or maybe they are really to cancel season 4?

[uncut lintel]

why cancel season 4 tho

[cosmic beacon]

if they were going to cancel s4 then why would they be still adding s4 stuff onto ptr

[uncut lintel]

isnt that shit already on ptr

[cunning fossil]

Season 4 looks like the most fun(?) Patch in Shadow lands right now

Scrapping it would be horrible

[cosmic beacon]

and the game would be void of content for months even if the expansion drops at the end of the year

[uncut lintel]

lol

"fun"

[cosmic beacon]

just dont play feral

[uncut lintel]

all u do is run the same dungeons

[cosmic beacon]

and the games enjoyable

trust

[uncut lintel]

ZM is way more funner

than m+

[cosmic beacon]

all u do is run the same rares

see what i did there

[uncut lintel]

A FUCK

MANNN

i think more likely we get pre patch maybe feb 2022 or jan ikd

i mean 2023

fml

[rain cave]

maybe their release date hinges on the timescale and development of 9.2.5

since 9.2.5 is getting decent development time, with new content

so they want to get that out so they can then completely focus on the expansion

[uncut lintel]

THIS FUCKING SHIT

10 INSTANCES PER HOUR SHIT IS SO ANNOYING JUST LET ME FARM THIS STUPID 10 YEAR OLD MOUNT

[rain cave]

but then I wouldn't be able to glitch into stratholme

[uncut lintel]

: (

[cosmic beacon]

foxy help

what old rep is easy asf

for plenty of mounts

[uncut lintel]

deeez nutz

[cosmic beacon]

[uncut lintel]

idk just google it

[vernal juniper]

I mean he got everything right, even the cinematic. Why the only mistake is the date

[uncut lintel]

what

just bcuz he got almost everything right doesnt mean theywill cancel s4

[vernal juniper]

ofcourse not but he is strange

[uncut lintel]

i bet he hacked their files

[vernal juniper]

nope

he leaked Legion too

[uncut lintel]

wtf

maybe he works there

[vernal juniper]

so to me is very strange that the date is the only wrong thing

[uncut lintel]

nah

dates can change

[vernal juniper]

he also said wtlk classic september

[uncut lintel]

meh

i just want pre order and pre patch so i can play dragon

[vernal juniper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/u6m8zx/world_of_warcraft_dragonflight_details_leak/

also

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1516477518152441864

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

Okay, so @Gurzog showed me a 4chan post from April 16th that lists every detail about Dragonflight. It gets everything right, but has two additional points.

-Murozond is the main villain
-Pre-ordering the expansion unlocks a new allied race (not dracthyr, something else)

Likes

349

Twitter · Apr 19, 2022, 6:03 PM

[cosmic beacon]

[vernal juniper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1516477826962235396

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

Oh, it also says the release is Q1 2023 and there's a "dragonflight covenant" which might be dragon riding since it's not mentioned otherwise and it is about you choosing a dragon to ally with (just not a flight).

Twitter · Apr 19, 2022, 6:04 PM

[uncut lintel]

xpac release in 2022 lies

[vernal juniper]

lies? he leaked everything xD

[uncut lintel]

not e verything is gonna be right

xpac release in 2022 means very rushed

no one wants that unless u liked shadowlands

[vernal juniper]

everything is right so far, execpt the unknow release date

[uncut lintel]

i just really 100% doubt 2022 unless classic

it could be possible if they worked 24/7 lul

[cosmic beacon]

and listen with the ptr/beta

[uncut lintel]

what

[cosmic beacon]

they could release earlier if they listen this time

is what i meant

[uncut lintel]

how is listening gonna make the xpac come out faster

u still have to test polish and clean shit

[cosmic beacon]

cause they use the ptr for feedback

[uncut lintel]

yea that shi started in 2022

:l

[cosmic beacon]

exactly

[uncut lintel]

i just want to play dargon

but it wont come true till im like 50 yrs old

[vernal juniper]

"10.0 Pre-Patch Event
The Pre-Patch event is planned to last for 2 weeks, and will introduce players to Dragonflight. A level 60 revamp of the classic dungeon Uldaman is planned for the event.
Dracthyr Evokers will be available to players during the pre-patch event.
Editor's note: There was no discussion of how Evokers would be initially available to players, but for reference - in Legion, Demon Hunters were first available on the 7.0 pre-patch event for players who had pre-ordered the expansion."

[uncut lintel]

yes now give us pre order right now

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[rain cave]

my bet is that they'll get 9.2.5 out, and then they'll go

"Ok what do we need to do to get this xpac in a good state to be released"

"and how long can we expect 9.2.5 to keep the players sated"

[zealous basalt]

It says q1 2023

[rain cave]

part of 9.2.5's reception will influence the release date I assure you

and that could be a good or bad thing

[rain cave]

where

[zealous basalt]

Relating to this tweet

[rain cave]

hm

[zealous basalt]

Summer release?

[rain cave]

there's more to come with 9.2.5

so a new race could be shown there but idk

that being said they most assuredly knew they weren't announcing preorders around the 16th

so it could even be a bait

for the leaker that is

[zealous basalt]

Imagine they don't do pre orders until beta

Or at least until it's close to release

[rain cave]

they could have put murozond + preorder allied race as something in there to catch leakers

because the only other way that murozond being a main villain would be known is from a developer

and unless it was just a random dude who has to make concept art or shit for their early conceptual phases deeper into the expansions patches before it's even launched

it just doesn't fit for somebody to leak that unless they're a third party

in which case the murozond bit definetly sounds like a leak trap

[zealous basalt]

In that case it would be our nozdormu turning into murozond rigjt

[rain cave]

no I mean

the murozond bit might be fake

even if we do see him

I doubt he's the main big bad

unless he ends up being what leads in to the next expansion

with a yrel / light invasion or somesuch

[zealous basalt]

No more jailers tho pls

[barren vigil]

Heads up! The bugged DI heritage weapons now work on the PTR. But that mace all you paladins we're hoping to use is catagorized as a "staff" so unless your a warrior or a caster. Your out of luck. Also ONLY DI dwarves can use this weapon

The good news is DI locks and mages can have a mace now :p

[deep pawn]

interesting they went with a staff

just make it a staff and a 2h mace, problem solved

that lets all but rogues use it

[uncut lintel]

dude thats so stupid

why design it as a mace if u cant hit people with it

[languid yoke]

just play survival hunter :^)

[cunning fossil]

Blizzard Looking to Convert Solo Shuffle in Rated Solo Queue in Dragonflight with Rating and Rewards

YES

LET'S GO

[uncut lintel]

IKR

[ember blaze]

I’m excited cause all gear will be equal in pvp

[strange falcon]

I think they already did that in the past with pvp templates and the pvpers hated it,
So idk,
Never played pvp myself tho

[plain violet]

The gear make too much of a difference now and do not encourage players to test PVP if they are a little behind.

Template will be better.

[ember blaze]

they did that in legion, but it wasnt really well done i think

if i remember correctly, your item level still gave you some advantage

and I don't think the scaling was very good , at least how they did it. You weren't really brought up to the same stats, things just magically scaled to your screen

or something like that

what sucked was just watching a demon hunter remain at 100% health at all times 🤔

@plain violetyeah i came back after a break and it was a little bit painful having to q up to pvp with no up to date gear

so im attacking someone with 80k hp while i got 30k, and their healthbar not dropping an inch

[plain violet]

Exactly. :/
Actually in SL one week of break is enough to be stomped in most match, because the stats creep is here.

Legion was not perfect but the idea was here, even if the scaling was a bit broken.

[strange falcon]

Another concern I've seen thrown around, if all your gear is max ilvl,
Then whats the progression?
"Pvp just to pvp" will be fine for some but idk if it will retain players longterm

[plain violet]

PVE gearing possible via PVP.

Transmog, titles...

Achievments, etc.

Most I know PvP for the prestige of being the ones with the PVP mount of the season, or the transmog.

[strange falcon]

that was my 2nd i was writing before i had to put phone down for a sec

[nocturne totem]

Isn't the idea to outplay other players, not stomp on them with higher ilvl?

[ember blaze]

youd be surprised the few that are very loud about doing just that

😂

[strange falcon]

if you're pvping for the rewards and not the pvp in itself, like how everyone i know just immediately stops doing m+ as soon as they get the mount, wont that mean that pvp will be dead/population crash like a month in

[ember blaze]

they unironically want to go around just one button killing players

[strange falcon]

yeah i see many ppl saying "two shotting noobs is core to the pvp experience"

[ember blaze]

i dont think that really changes anything

like right now you already have people like that who just want specific things

and dont care about pvp afterwards

I know back in 9.0 I only pvped because I wanted badge

[nocturne totem]

That is the nature of all content

[ember blaze]

and I know a lot of people just did it for the gear

[nocturne totem]

People will play it for whatever they want to get out of it

[ember blaze]

it was good for pvp healthwise cause people were forced to do it

but eventually a lot of those werent gonna keep playing

cause all they wanted was the badge

[uncut lintel]

@strange falcon 😏

[strange falcon]

i know pvp was disliked in season 1, because they shoehorned pve players into it, because much faster gearing than the raid itself or m+

[ember blaze]

yeah

pvp is probably not the most popular content type in mmorpgs

but I think wow just has such a huge wall that puts off even more people

like myself

[strange falcon]

dont think the great vault is gonna feel any better unless they put it in some sort of duplicate protection, that and always getting garbage gear was 90% of the vault experience past the first week

also tiersets not dropping for people is a big issue as well

[ember blaze]

i got 2 tier set pieces two weeks in 😂

[nocturne totem]

Bare minimum you shouldn't be able to get the same piece more than once in a vault.

[ember blaze]

Would there be any harm for the optional regeant at the bottom to eventually let you pick out at max item lvl piece after a while

[deep pawn]

I don't think they're removing duplicates

they're just gonna make consolation prizes feel better

[ember blaze]

I feel like it could just be azerite gear all over again

if you dont want to take the chance with RNG, just hold off for a while and collect enough for a guaranteed piece

[strange falcon]

imagine if they made an option for consolation prices be valor badges that you can use to get the item you actually wanted from the vault, that would make some players rejoice

[nocturne totem]

I think this seasons change to the consolation tokens is pretty decent.

[ember blaze]

what changed 🤔

[nocturne totem]

Just give us bonus rolls back too

[nocturne totem]

You can get sockets, rep, gold , etc now
Also increased amount of tokens depending on how much content you did and lowered requirements for some slots

What is wrong with bonus rolls? It let you target drops.

[ember blaze]

how does it let you target a drop?

[nocturne totem]

You use the bonus roll on a boss or dungeon that had the item you wanted.

[ember blaze]

for the entire loot table

[nocturne totem]

Yeah

[ember blaze]

why do we need more layers of rng?

[nocturne totem]

Bonus roll is better than no bonus roll

[ember blaze]

and a system like azerite where you could save up to get the specific piece is better than bonus roll

[nocturne totem]

Why not both

[ember blaze]

youre already rolling for it, and you got vault

you already got it

[nocturne totem]

Vault is EVERY loot table

[ember blaze]

yeah, you got your rng. We're just lacking deterministic ways to get pieces.

but youre right 🤷‍♂️

lets just get both

more options the better

[strange falcon]

tbh, bonus rolls were too low chance to actually give loot, so just like the "vault of disappointment" like its called by the playerbase, it was just an additional stab in the back from the game that didnt feel good

[nocturne totem]

Didn't bonus rolls have luck protection?

[ember blaze]

oh you just reminded me gear wasnt guaranteed either 😂

trash or azerite 😂

[strange falcon]

not that i remember

[nocturne totem]

I did like the Azerite gear vendor but it took so long to get one piece of top gear

[ember blaze]

yes

though it was only 3 pieces i guess

[deep pawn]

bonus rolls did

so after like 6 you would get something your next roll

[strange falcon]

6 rolls is a little too long,
especially when you remember they limited you to only be able to get 2 coins per week in bfa

no loot for 3weeks, fun

[deep pawn]

it was an increasing chance per bonus roll that gave gold

[glass flicker]

You know what would be cool? If they redid Torghast but made it work differently. Make it an actual roguelite while also reusing raid bosses in random boss rooms, so every time you enter a new floor it's something new, even if it's just redoing old raids. And make it award bronze dragon themed mogs.

[strange falcon]

Torghast is SL content, which means its on the "to be abandoned" list

The devs in an interview also specified that the new player experience will be BFA-->Dragonflight
Skipping SL altogether

Going full wod on it and hoping players forget it existed

[glass flicker]

Lmao, serves it right.

Anyway...

[glass flicker]

I see it working as regular Torghast but replacing all mobs with raid bosses from the past, in rooms that aren't their own.

[deep pawn]

I still say, if I was gonna play a rougelike, I'd go play one, not play it in WoW

[glass flicker]

Dead Cells is the best roguelite I've ever played, personally.

[rain cave]

I still find it strange they force new players through BfA at all

why not just let people level as they want

BfA questing doesn't introduce you to the dragon isles much anyway

[glass flicker]

Or, at all.

[rain cave]

true

[glass flicker]

But it's be weird to start as an expeditioner on an island and suddenly go to a different dimension of the afterlife.

[rain cave]

or they could just let people chromie time as they want

[glass flicker]

BfA is better in this regard.

[rain cave]

which they already do

just not for new players for some reason

not to mention BfA isn't enough XP to get to 60 is it?

[glass flicker]

You can't exactly let new players go to Outland, Draenor or the Shadowlands from level 10. They'd be mega confused.

[rain cave]

they'd be mega confused regardless lmao

new players get a boost anyway

they hop into dragon isles straight away

[glass flicker]

If they're dumb.

[rain cave]

so you think they shouldn't use the boost?

and level 1-70

[glass flicker]

No new player should use the boost right away.

[rain cave]

why, levelling atm is boring af

[glass flicker]

So?

[rain cave]

and they're paying for the expansion

[glass flicker]

It's a learning experience.

[rain cave]

they want to play that expansion

it's really not

it's just spamming dungeons, doing world objectives and killing mobs for quests

the more you can take your mind off it the better

[glass flicker]

Isn't that the game in its entirety?

[rain cave]

since levelling is so asinine atm

yeah but leveling isn't fun as it stands

this is a large complaint

[uncut lintel]

i think they can possibly make a better "torghast: and actually try to keep it up to date with expac by being it legacy once dragonflight is over if they tried but idk, but fuck the one in SL i aint going back there

[glass flicker]

It is what it is. Giving a new player the ability to pay for max level is fucking moronic.

What will that new player know?

Not even the movement keys.

[rain cave]

they aren't paying for max level in the dragonflight context

[uncut lintel]

that its a waste of money no that u can level in 10 hours

[rain cave]

also that's not true

there's a tutorial for boosted characters I believe

or class trials

[uncut lintel]

yea

boosting is rlly not owrth it tho unless u get that boost thing free

[strange falcon]

My favorite is Hades for now

[rain cave]

I mean

I've boosted a lot of toons around WoD/ Legion

primarily because levelling takes too long

[uncut lintel]

me too and i regret all of them

[glass flicker]

Not my style. But I do like the protagonist's heterochromia. That's cool.

[rain cave]

and is just soulsucking

[uncut lintel]

now that i can level to max in 2 days if i want

[rain cave]

how?

[uncut lintel]

wdym how

just quest and dungeons

[rain cave]

what fucking exploit u doing man

lmao

[uncut lintel]

?

[glass flicker]

You just quest and dungeon.

[rain cave]

takes ages to find dungeons

[glass flicker]

Are you so useless?

[uncut lintel]

its literally not hard

[rain cave]

and it's annoying to quest in older zones

[glass flicker]

Yeah, I'm noping out of this.

[rain cave]

as a low level character

[glass flicker]

Bye.

[rain cave]

what's your problem man?

[uncut lintel]

u go hard and lvl to max fast or u get distracted by discord all day

[rain cave]

why you got to be so passive aggressive

jesus

demo's woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

[glass flicker]

Because all I hear from you is negative.

[rain cave]

not at all?

[uncut lintel]

oh no dafire is typing

[rain cave]

are you mistaking me for dafire?

[strange falcon]

Blizzard has grown a new bad habit since like legion or bfa made a max lvl boost midway through the expac.
Effectively invalidating all leveling content for the current expac

[glass flicker]

No, because Dafire is actually funny.

[rain cave]

all I've said is levelling isn't fun at the moment

that's it

and that's not a hot take

[uncut lintel]

i find most fun and uget a load fucking XP

[rain cave]

but 1 quest doesn't even get me like 1/3 of a level

[uncut lintel]

if u tank, just spam dungeons

[rain cave]

I just want to powerlevel through

get to max

so I can actually play the game

[strange falcon]

💀

[uncut lintel]

💀

[strange falcon]

Pog

[rain cave]

this is why I thought they'd just remove levelling for the next xpac

since it's not a core part of the game anymore

[uncut lintel]

idk, i guess its just diferent, i find the current lvling system powerleveling, back then in legion and wod and shit, u had to go to 1-90 1-100 and so on, now its just 1-60 and with buffs, and chromie time its just so fucking easy

esp WOD XP

[rain cave]

but the 1-60 is balanced the same as 1-120

with less xp buffs

since heirlooms nerfed

no xp pots

etc

[uncut lintel]

rip all my heirloom gold

fucking scam tbh

[glass flicker]

They even nerfed monk exp.

[uncut lintel]

probably but seeing 60 instead of lvling to 120 just way better

i find it way faster

2-3 days instead of a week of leveling

[rain cave]

even if there were more levels, it felt better to queue into a dungeon on a low level toon and get like

5 levels

[uncut lintel]

u dont get 5 levels from one dungeon

[rain cave]

whereas now it's like 2/3 dungeons per level

you used to

[uncut lintel]

cant relate

most i got was 2

also even if u did get 5 dungeons per back then wtf is the point

[glass flicker]

So you're just upset powerleveling is done by questing now?

[uncut lintel]

no one wants to level to 150

[rain cave]

powerleveling doesn't exist anymore unless you cheese with alt accounts

[uncut lintel]

thats y they made the levle squish

[rain cave]

it just takes so fucking long

[uncut lintel]

u can literally quest and get to max so quick dude

[rain cave]

and feels like there's no reward

how

[uncut lintel]

even all my friends do it

wdym how

[rain cave]

where are you fucking questing

I did WoD since that was meant to be fastest

[uncut lintel]

go to a good zone, like stonetalon mountains and do every fucking quest

[glass flicker]

6 hours for 1-50, 8 hours for 50-60.

How is that long?

[uncut lintel]

dont go there untill level 30 or 40

[rain cave]

jesus

that's ages

[glass flicker]

You can be max level in TWO DAYS.

[rain cave]

EXACTLY

MY

POINT

[uncut lintel]

how is that ages

[rain cave]

a M+ takes an hour tops

I could do so much more content

instead of leveling

[uncut lintel]

it used to take a week max to get to max content

[rain cave]

yeah but this isn't about JUST levelling

[glass flicker]

It's not?

[rain cave]

this is about being rewarded for my time

[glass flicker]

It is literally the topic at hand.

[rain cave]

and levelling doesn't do that

[uncut lintel]

ur also wasting money by spending 60 dollars to boost when u can level to 60

and thats coming from someone who has every store mount

[rain cave]

why would I level a new character, when I could have a character decked out in gear by the time I finish levelling

[uncut lintel]

ohh ok i see, u just dont like alts

nvm then

[rain cave]

I love alts

I want to gear alts

not level them

[glass flicker]

Fine. Give Blizz your money. If two days of your precious time is too much to level while maybe paying attention to some of the details you've missed.

[uncut lintel]

i like leveling alts

[glass flicker]

And side quests you've never done.

[uncut lintel]

even if i can boost

[strange falcon]

Also, while we talking about lvling, 60$ for a boost has always been ludicrous for a price, to the point i know a lot of ppl just buy the expac again just for the boost because its cheaper

😂

[uncut lintel]

yea

like wtf

[rain cave]

wdym side quests

[uncut lintel]

now that im older i realize i shouldnt of bought boosted chars back than daf

[rain cave]

also yeah we're not talking about buying boosts

[ember blaze]

this is just you

[glass flicker]

You can't tell me you did all quests. I will not believe you farmed rep with the Highmountain fishermen.

[strange falcon]

Now that you're "older" not much about you actually changed tbf

[uncut lintel]

id literally prefer to do 500 quest on a timer than do stratholme dungeon tho

[rain cave]

because rep is largely pointless

[ember blaze]

a new player doesnt have the concept of having done the questlines for the 50th time.

[rain cave]

it's just for mild cosmetics

[uncut lintel]

i meant this specefic thing

u didnt kno me back in wod

let alone mop

[rain cave]

even then, most of the highmountain rep is world quests

I already did their rep

I have the allied race unlocked

[strange falcon]

I'll assume you were unable to speak english

[rain cave]

I also did fishing artifact in legion

[ember blaze]

did yall know you can afk level up a character with legion table? 🤔

[glass flicker]

But have you ever done some quests? Have you?

Don't you want to experience them?

[uncut lintel]

actually no i had friends and we used to rp for hours or all day in westfall it was fun now im sad

[rain cave]

well yeah I had to level through highmountain at some point

[glass flicker]

Get out.

[rain cave]

wdym

why are you being so dickish?

[uncut lintel]

this whole convo is pointless

if hes slow at leveling that is just his fault, let him waste money or wutever hes doing

[rain cave]

can we not just have a conversation without you chastising me because I want to play the game instead of grinding to play the game

[uncut lintel]

how ru grinding by normally leveling

what

[rain cave]

because it doesn't engage me at all

[ember blaze]

instead of grinding to play the game? 🤔

[glass flicker]

I'm chastising you for saying new players should boost rather than level.

That's what started this.

[rain cave]

I never said that

if anything blizz says that

[glass flicker]

Yes you did.

[uncut lintel]

soo

if it doesnt engage the player its a grind

[rain cave]

because they gave boosts to new players

[uncut lintel]

🤔

which is a bad idea

[rain cave]

if you're not engaging players in your game, that's bad game design

[uncut lintel]

idk who doesnt get engaged by questing

[rain cave]

on the first time sure

it can be engaging in newer zones

and some older zones

[glass flicker]

So? On the second time, you don't have to read it and can just speed through it

And it only gets easier.

[uncut lintel]

itll be even more engaging when we can ignore shadowlands

[rain cave]

at which point it gets tedious

[uncut lintel]

mehhh

[glass flicker]

How?

[uncut lintel]

i guess that is a pov of different people

i dont find it tedious

[rain cave]

it's like watching a film you've already seen

[ember blaze]

as a legion baby, questing was never boring.

[uncut lintel]

and ive done it like 50000 times

[ember blaze]

and i had multiple expansions worth of questing i hadnt done before

so nothing was tedious

[uncut lintel]

but others i guess could find it boring but still not worth buying a boost over it unless ur rich imo

[glass flicker]

You just wish you could experience everything for the first time over and over again.

[uncut lintel]

WE ALL DO

[rain cave]

I just hate redoing things I've already done

[glass flicker]

Elaborate.

[uncut lintel]

me with systems:

[strange falcon]

Yo, i got the solution for you bruh.

Just roll the new class, ez no need for lvling, problem solved

[rain cave]

Dafire that's not really relevant

[uncut lintel]

like if u 100% dont wanna do things a second time just play one character

[ember blaze]

what is even being argued here

[uncut lintel]

idk anymore

[ember blaze]

he dont like to do leveling again, he got boosts

[rain cave]

I'm just saying that levelling is boring as it stands

[strange falcon]

Im not invested in the discussion

[uncut lintel]

no its not lmaoo

[rain cave]

and demo thinks I'm the devil

[ember blaze]

someone dont wanna boost, they level

[rain cave]

for it

[uncut lintel]

dude if ind leveling so fucking chill and fun

[rain cave]

how is it chill

gives me fucking RSI

[uncut lintel]

wtf is RSI

[rain cave]

repetetive strain injury

[cunning fossil]

You just go from person to person though

[uncut lintel]

ive always loved questing, if i dont like a quest i skip it, but i love it, esp leveling alts, the systems is what makes me not to play alts

[rain cave]

also I can't watch videos whilst doing it

it's like

[cunning fossil]

If the quests are fun, you're goos

[rain cave]

spreadsheets

[uncut lintel]

the quests in spires of arak are fun as hell

[glass flicker]

Then solve your own issues.

[strange falcon]

Oh no, he's goos(e)

[rain cave]

all the focus, none of the fun, all of the wrist pain

[uncut lintel]

u have 2 monitors?

[rain cave]

no desk space at the moment

but even if I did

[uncut lintel]

fuck

[rain cave]

I can't split my eyes

to look in 2 places at once

[uncut lintel]

i have 2 and i use it fine while playing

what

[glass flicker]

Why don't you just hop into voice chat with someone and quest as the side activity?

[uncut lintel]

u have to move ur head ur not a lizard

LOL

[glass flicker]

I find myself doing that a lot.

[rain cave]

even then it would just be background noise

since I can't focus on it

[ember blaze]

he's prepping for the new class

[glass flicker]

How can't you focus on a fucking conversation?

[strange falcon]

As ion once said, "skill issue" + L + get ratiod

[uncut lintel]

well no u dont have to focus on the second monitor but just put some nice beats on or something

idk

[glass flicker]

In private?

[rain cave]

wdym

[uncut lintel]

wat

[strange falcon]

Being social in an MMO? What is this 2004? Smh

[rain cave]

the friends I have I either get in VC with them for work, to play with

[uncut lintel]

me too tbh

[rain cave]

none of my friends play WoW either

[glass flicker]

That's making excuses at this point.

[rain cave]

I literally spend 90% of my time in VC's muted

[glass flicker]

Find friends.

[rain cave]

because I'm doing other shit