he probably is too shocked to say smth cuz now he wants to play
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut lintel
cunning fossil
Lmao
That'd be funny for him to admit
Watched it for the third time today with my dad
God the cinematic is so good
cunning fossil
New UI as someone who has 0 idea how to do that stuff
This'll be exciting to set up for all my characters lmao
plain violet
I liked the cinematic and loved how it is a positive one.
I mean, never Blizzard have done this before, a intro cinematic where it isn't "war, blood, suffering, bad"
plain violet
Yeah, we clearly need those cinematics. Positivity, hope, renewal.
sullen dawn
Hope they kill old flying in 11.0
vernal juniper
sullen dawn
No...
It's an expansion feature
Itll come I prepatch 2 weeks before launch
Either nov of this year of early-mid next year
You wont get thr new class in 9.2.5
cunning fossil
Yeah
deep pawn
Hope they kill old flying in 11.0
unless, all mounts end up flying the same way, it'll never die
we have too many flying mounts
nocturne totem
I mean, never Blizzard have done this before, a intro cinematic where it *isn't*...
Mists of Pandaria
They just need to make it so we can use ground mounts to fly too like FF14.
plain violet
Mists of Pandaria
Even MoP was a bit like that, with the orc and humans fighting before getting their back kicked by Chen.
Here we do not even have a fight, and that's pretty nice.
nocturne totem
The whole framing of the MoP cinematic was lighthearted and fun.
rain cave
Even MoP was a bit like that, with the orc and humans fighting before getting th...
yeah, and we're going as explorers/scientists
expedition to help the dragons because they helped us
we don't know what they'll need exactly, but we're here for them
it's nicer than just being thrown into hell and having the message of "everything is fucked" right up until the last moment
I'm interesed in these primal incarnates, along with the big elemental proto drakes that line up with the tier sets
which might all be the same thing
plain violet
Light-hearted, will not say it that way. The end, maybe, is "wonders", but the start not.
Yes, that's really really something nice of a message for a start of expansion. Not "Horde and Alliance come into foreign land to kill and conquer" but a scientific expedition, adventuring, and the hero that will help because they helped.
Me too, the fire tauren seemed pretty wild.
rain cave
I wonder if fire tauren is ebonhorn new model
plain violet
I don't think so, he do not look like a HM one, and too... "bad guy looking", but we will see.
I think it's more of the servants of the elementals proto drakes, that seem pretty interesting.
rain cave
aye
rain cave
wonder if we'll get a raid that requires us to use our dragonriding to get between bosses
instead of just walking everywhere
nocturne totem
Oculus Final boss
rain cave
imagine galakrond tho
we defeat the boss preceeding him
then we actually have to fly to go and land on galakrond or something
and we do spine of galakrond
uncut lintel
wheres pre oredr at
cosmic beacon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756608673442169027/966325636492836894/Dracthyr_Dance.gif
@uncut lintel
wait what
why does it get fucked
rain cave
wheres pre oredr at
they either have more to announce before they do preorder
uncut lintel
rain cave
or they're holding it off for Q3 earnings
uncut lintel
Q3?
rain cave
quarter 3
uncut lintel
yea but what is tha
rain cave
of the year
uncut lintel
so like
cosmic beacon
report for the 3rd quarter of the year
uncut lintel
christmas?
rain cave
no
rain cave
no
uncut lintel
october?
uncut lintel
uhh
rain cave
50%
rain cave
we might get it earlier though
uncut lintel
i really need it to cope
rain cave
since they might have more things to announce
hence why no preorder
since they need to announce everything they're going to sell you
rain cave
doubt
I'm thinking they're preparing more demos of the systems
maybe show off how legendaries will work if they are there
raid
dungeons
etc
uncut lintel
i was being sarcastic
or well joking
bcuz alot of ppl i talked to yday wanted a tank spec
rain cave
nah that's a bad solution
uncut lintel
why
uncut lintel
guess tank ques for m+ is gonna stay long forever u_u
rain cave
it would just give the current tank players more gear
uncut lintel
oh
rain cave
but dps players don't want tank gear
uncut lintel
well u can change ur loot spec
rain cave
then that defeats the point, playing tank so you don't have to play tank
you'd get a bunch of people ONLY doing it for the loot
not because they enjoy playing tank
or are good at it
uncut lintel
i only play dps or healing bcuz tanking is too complicated
and im not gonna get yelled at
cosmic beacon
ur playing feral so yes you will
uncut lintel
nah
rain cave
I didn't see it
upper pasture
"why there's no player housing yet"
cunning fossil
No housing TvT
cunning fossil
Ion just said that crafted gear should be close to Mythic level ayo
What the
Like someone who can craft the best gear will literally be able to make Mythic level gear omg
uncut lintel
uhhhh
why is my computer telling me shit abt the wow cinamatic
did my cat walk across the keyboard and break it wutf
oh wait wrong cinamatic
rain cave
@cunning fossil yeah that's baller
especially since it sounds like that kind of gear will be only from people specialized for it
like
"I'm the guy who can make mythic ilvl plate helms"
build a BOE
cunning fossil
Well no it won't be BOE
cunning fossil
It'll be more like from the work order
But you also have to Work Order from the BEST person on the server to really make it goos
So like
rain cave
I can't wait to find my niche
cunning fossil
Yeah there's gonna be THAT guy on the server who y'all know to make the best weapon or second to best weapon
Soooo that's exciting
rain cave
I make the damn best bracers around
cunning fossil
I wonder what engies will get this expac TvT
cunning fossil
Lmao
rain cave
I wonder what engies will get this expac TvT
true
rain cave
hopefully they get some very interesting weapon options
like imagine what enchanting will be like
maybe they get to make really strong enchants
and that's where buildcrafting can start
and then engineering might also have that for hunters
cunning fossil
Agreed
cunning fossil
I want to craft THUNDERFURY, BLESSED BLADE OF THE WINDSEEKER
rain cave
and you can choose the damage type / extra effect
uncut lintel
@cunning fossil cant watch the cinamatic without crying
cunning fossil
Would be sweet with Optional Reagents
cunning fossil
<@247758224441344010> cant watch the cinamatic without crying
To be honest TvT
uncut lintel
im like a teenage girl going to her favorite concert
rain cave
on mythic race servers
cunning fossil
Lmao
I wanna make the best guns as an Engi
And as a hunter I'm self sustained Hell yeahh
@strange falcon C'mon fam just say your opinions in here :P
Lowley can't debate you myself cuz I'm not that smart
strange falcon
Lowley can't debate you myself cuz I'm not that smart
😂
strange falcon
i mean, i hope you guys have been huffing your hopium, foxy surely is.
i hold the belief that every expac was solid when they were in the reveal/promises stage,
but we know how they all turned out, so before you guys hype yourself out of your mind, you should wait for it to be actually ingame
the dragonform doesnt look good
cunning fossil
<@247758224441344010>
Le DMs. I personally just din't wanna do it alone because I'm gonna fuck up my argument
But seriously
rain cave
@strange falcon what's your opinions on things if you just took them at face value, like if they actually deliver on everything promised
uncut lintel
dafire wants the game to fail so he can shit on it more
strange falcon
it looks weird,out of place, too lean, and it's low effort as its just a mishmash of DH metamorphosis animations and female worgen model using naga texture for the chest, for their big selling feature, they could have made a new skeleton or unique textures, it just looks weird man
cunning fossil
To each their own
cunning fossil
I can't look at that release announcentand say "I expected as much" can you Daf?
Did you expect what we saw today?
rain cave
it looks weird,out of place, too lean, and it's low effort as its just a mishmas...
I think all the textures and models are unique, even if the rig uses some other bits as a base
and I can understand the perspective of it looking a tad weird, however there's still time for it to change
somebody pointed out how worgen looked in alpha cata
uncut lintel
theres always time for change 
rain cave
and it got changed by live
they've probably got more up their sleeve they're working on, but lets just wait and see
I disagree on the low effort part however
as adding a new class, on top of the talent tree revamp
that's a big undertaking
strange falcon
<@94886929169920000> what's your opinions on things if you just took them at fac...
if they can 100% deliver on everything they promised, and not fuck it up for the whole 2years, then i'd say it is a great step in the right direction, but they'll need to keep this going forward, they can't just fuck up the expac after because they renewed goodwill with this one(assuming all goes according to plan)
uncut lintel
yea
strange falcon
you're not going to win people back with one expansion only
uncut lintel
alot of us are praying they dont do that
if they do theyll just go right back to before like shadowlands and lose people and even get more hate for trolling
cunning fossil
I'll gladly hope the game changes.
And it looks like it is
uncut lintel
please
cunning fossil
None of this stuff is what we expected
uncut lintel
let it keep going this way
cunning fossil
^^^
uncut lintel
its not hard to read comments ppl literally give u feedback that is FREE to read to make game good
just do ur job and we coo
strange falcon
as adding a new class, on top of the talent tree revamp
we definitely do need to see the talent tree revamp in action, its going to be an even bigger balancing hell than what they have now,
at a first glance it looks like they combined the effects of conduits with the old talent trees,
also how many points do you get? <-- thats gonna be important
can you have a resto druid without rejuvenation? without interrupts? this could be "rebuying your core kit" so those talent points always go there
if you can do multispeccing like resto/balance, can you have super handicapped builds?
rain cave
we definitely do need to see the talent tree revamp in action, its going to be a...
you get points for the class and spec halves respectively
so you're not sacrificing one for the other
however, it does look like there will be a lot more variation
uncut lintel
i saw the convoke icon for druidas
on the talent thing
we keeping convenent effectss?
cunning fossil
we definitely do need to see the talent tree revamp in action, its going to be a...
Resto never had interrupts lol
uncut lintel
its fun
cunning fossil
Now they can take skull bash if they spec into feral a little
rain cave
but I'll be intrigued to see what kind of builds we'll get
cunning fossil
Agreed
uncut lintel
|| ion looks so tired lmao even more so than last time ive seen him||
rain cave
so going into the convoke/incarn choice column
cunning fossil
you're not going to win people back with one expansion only
Daf are you gonna answer my question :0
rain cave
isn't the same as picking one of 3 old talents
strange falcon
None of this stuff is what we expected
well, this is what they needed to say to get the playerbase's interest back, this is actually expected in that context.
it remains to see if they actually deliver, god knows they have a year and more to fuck it up still.
this presentation was more preorder bait(even tho it isnt available yet)
as the fact they didnt show all that much admittedly in terms of gameplay(other than talents) and systems, only set dressing like UI and crafting(which is gonna be ruined so bad by bots you have no idea).
they very likely are still early, they didnt even have an alpha date yet,
rain cave
since with the new system, getting to one of the 3 choices then also presents you with MORE choices, on top of also giving you a different baseline from getting there
choice within choice within choice
cunning fossil
well, this is what they needed to say to get the playerbase's interest back, thi...
I don't think Dragonflying was on anyone's mind
rain cave
I'll be intrigued to see if ranged survival will come back
cunning fossil
To be fair
rain cave
@cunning fossil was on mine, in a way
cunning fossil
I'll be intrigued to see if ranged survival will come back
Mid range survival??
uncut lintel
i want a pre order date
strange falcon
but I'll be intrigued to see what kind of builds we'll get
minmaxers are shaking in their boots
uncut lintel
fuck minmaxers
cunning fossil
Let them
uncut lintel
most of em are toxic asshole
rain cave
minmaxers are shaking in their boots
I love it because it means we'll have multiple builds
since you can only minmax for one set of gear and effects
strange falcon
the balancing of the talents is a massive factor in deciding if we'll actually have multiple builds, or one is just way stronger than the others
rain cave
hopefully they then learn to adjust things as they go then ;p
strange falcon
we trusted in blizzard's balancing for covenants and that's 4 spells for each class, idk they'll have an easier time with talent trees
rain cave
the difference with covenants was making abilities that had to fit no specific specs
and also thematically fitting for each cov
cunning fossil
Yup
rain cave
with these trees they can go
cunning fossil
Thisnis way more technical
You don't fuck up as much because it's contained into trees
strange falcon
the difference with covenants was making abilities that had to fit no specific s...
i was more speaking damage numbers but sure
rain cave
"Oh, resto can have 3 distinct styles, bursty raid healing, focused heal over time or blooming free cast"
or whatever
cunning fossil
That would be lovely
uncut lintel
i was more speaking damage numbers but sure
my dps numbers is 500k
cunning fossil
I wanna be Feral Druid who can tank
uncut lintel
das low
cunning fossil
Fuck yeah
rain cave
fire mages can go minute mage, high ignite damage or something else entirely
uncut lintel
i really wanna try out envoke healer
cunning fossil
Excitement
uncut lintel
bcuz of time
cunning fossil
Same
rain cave
they can put a capstone that interacts with previous talents
strange falcon
they're gonna attract the scalies to the game now other than the furries, i've seen ppl say.
limiting the new class to just being the new race is definitely a bold move
rain cave
aye
uncut lintel
its been proven that more furries play wow than normal people
rain cave
however it fixes the scale of development I'd say
uncut lintel
we are their income
cunning fossil
Yeah I agree with it tbh
rain cave
no pun intended
cunning fossil
Lol
rain cave
also, I'm wondering if they will reveal more customisation options for them
uncut lintel
might have alot of furry vs scalie pvp tho now
strange falcon
unfortunately reality is never as good as anything you come up with in your mind, and we have a year of waiting before we see it ingame
rain cave
since it might feel weird to be human female on horde when in visage form
and since we only saw them on the alliance side of the character creator
I wonder if they plan to add more races for visage form as options
I mentioned it yesterday but I'd love to see tauren with dragon customisations
uncut lintel
unfortunately reality is never as good as anything you come up with in your mind...
ugh how am i gonna surviev a year
languid yoke
I know I won't
strange falcon
I know I won't
i thought you were vulpera enjoyer
but i guess furries enjoy most furry-scalie races
languid yoke
I like vulpera but they were never my most favorite thing in existence
uncut lintel
DRAGONS R S O MUCH BETTER THAN BORING FOXES
U GET TO HAVE BIG WINGS AND BREATHE FIRE BRO
uncut lintel
DRAGONS
languid yoke
uncut lintel
rain cave
I really want to see more of the half giant people
brave iron
Come on Nov I want the new expansion
rain cave
I really want to see them as an allied race for horde
uncut lintel
i want new expansion nowww
rain cave
to fill in for ogres and rexxar type bodies
languid yoke
ranking is like: dracthyr if they were a bit beefier > dracthyr >>> worgen > pandaren > tauren > vulpera > the other races
uncut lintel
sad we cant get races body modifications like weight
rain cave
I like the dracthyr but I am aware of how scalie bait they are it's actually quite funny
languid yoke
if they really wanted to be scaly bait they'd be buffer tbh
rain cave
skinny orc
uncut lintel
I like the dracthyr but I am aware of how scalie bait they are it's actually qui...
i mean duh they rarely wear clothes in the teaser 
cosmic beacon
good
languid yoke
I hope it stays like that
rain cave
skinny orc
uncut lintel
LOL
strange falcon
Come on Nov I want the new expansion
oh yeah, where did the "november release date" rumor come out of, i dont see any official say on it
languid yoke
all the dracthyr shown wore either the same chest pieces+ornaments but in different colors, or nothing at all
strange falcon
if it were to be true, its gonna be rushed AF
languid yoke
like the cinematic picture, talent system, evoker
rain cave
they said november was targeted in some press behind the scene stuff I think
languid yoke
scaleface was VERY adamant about it being a november release date
uncut lintel
we are getting 9.2.5, pre order maybe? 2023 happens, pre patch, then xpac release, is my assumption, but i doubt itll come in 2022 like hell no please dont
strange falcon
dafire its not coming out this year
i know, but i see ppl claiming a november release date, so i was asking where
languid yoke
https://twitter.com/BeeEffGee1/status/1516522753699975168 this would've been scaly bait
rain cave
so they're just evaluating if they can actually make it
uncut lintel
https://twitter.com/BeeEffGee1/status/1516522753699975168 this would've been sca...
wheres buff female
cosmic beacon
tru
strange falcon
if they really wanted to be scaly bait they'd be buffer tbh
they're more scaly bait when they're thin imo
rain cave
where is my buff dragon mommy gf
alexstrasza exists
languid yoke
honestly I'd have loved it if instead of having different bodies between genders it was 2 body type options regardless of gender
uncut lintel
but dafire what if i want a giant buff thicc scaley mommy
strange falcon
i think they're targeting it
given how early it looked and how little they had to say with not even an alpha date yet, this isnt comforting either
rain cave
it's why I think preorders aren't out
cosmic beacon
alexstrasza exists
wheres my playable buff dragon mommy gf*
uncut lintel
theres no official post abt november
rain cave
is because they're so unsure of what their pipeline is
uncut lintel
its just a stupid rumor
languid yoke
yeah some stuff looked kinda ready and then some other things sounded scarily unready
uncut lintel
no way they can get this shit out good in nov
languid yoke
only hearing about the m+ system in an interview is kinda weird
rain cave
they did say they want to get more talent trees out to show BEFORE alpha
so they're not even at alpha
cunning fossil
only hearing about the m+ system in an interview is kinda weird
Thay's because we all expect that
uncut lintel
everyone simping for wrathion
cunning fossil
That doesn't need to be in an announcement
uncut lintel
tru he makes me question myself
cunning fossil
Facts
languid yoke
yeah but we did not expect blizz to go "4 new dungeons and 4 old dungeons for season 1, 4 OTHER new dungenos and 4 other old dungeons for season 2"
did they even mention dungeons or raid in the stream at all 
like... what's the reason we're going back to uldaman
not that I object
languid yoke
bless stony tony
cunning fossil
Because cool shit
:P
Also is Hate-onium a thing yet
Because I just made that up and maybe it'll take off on reddit
strange falcon
yeah but we did not expect blizz to go "4 new dungeons and 4 old dungeons for se...
think it would have been better if they had all 8 dragonflight dungeons for season 1, then that way they're doing it, 4 and 4 for season 2 and 3
strange falcon
did they even mention dungeons or raid in the stream at all <:fifiDerp:925162948...
they didnt mention any dungeons, they mentioned in passing ,that the raid is gonna be against allies/worshippers of galakrond, and that we wont know the big bad until 2nd raid or so, "just like MoP"
i think they're just incredibly early on all gameplay related things
cunning fossil
I ain't coping >:V
rain cave
where is it channeling to in the ground?
uldaz?
underneath tyr hold is where uldaz is perhaps
will we literally get a mirrored MoP 2
where instead of a horde leader
we get turalyon going
"yo tyr was light"
"that crystal looks light"
"lemme grab that"
and then he drops it into lordaerons river and it turns all light
languid yoke
think it would have been better if they had all 8 dragonflight dungeons for seas...
yeah definitely agree, that's the sentiment my guild shares as well
rain cave
lmao
strange falcon
also im not a lore guy, but i've seen multiple people question this new lore, with things like
"did they forget about aviana?" (for the new wild god of wind)
"how did tyr end up here?"
"weren't the centaurs 1100 yrs old and not 10k?"
and many other inconsistencies, that just look like Steve "Retcon" Danuser is trampling the metzen lore to paint it over with his shit
languid yoke
or have ALL the new expansion dungeons (probably 8) at launch +2 old ones because, let's be honest, 8 dungeons for a season is just a little bit too few dungeons
10-12 is the sweet spot imo
cunning fossil
think it would have been better if they had all 8 dragonflight dungeons for seas...
But this would decrease the amount of "newC stuff we see
languid yoke
so them choosing to instead go for 4 new and 4 old is a bit... weird
strange falcon
so them choosing to instead go for 4 new and 4 old is a bit... weird
it would be even weirder if we only get 4 dungeons at launch instead of 8
languid yoke
like it's just odd that season 1 is not even gonna feature all the new dungeons of the xpac
cunning fossil
it would be even weirder if we only get 4 dungeons at launch instead of 8
You get 8 at launch
They're just not in the M+ Rotation
Guys read
Pls
cunning fossil
Maybe wierd is what we need
languid yoke
not that kind of weird
cunning fossil
We've don't same old same old for a while and it's time for a change
How is this bad though?
Like explain to me how it's just a bad decision objectively
languid yoke
how is it good that half the new dungeons aren't even properly playable at a high difficulty level for half a year?
it's already something that's annoying about mega dungeons
cunning fossil
how is it good that half the new dungeons aren't even properly playable at a hig...
You have 4 other ones to play
And if you did all the new 8 dungeons in 10.0
They will be "boring" by 10.1
languid yoke
"yo this uldaman revamp is super fun. Too bad we for some reason don't have it as m+ until season 2! Guess we're doing a UBRS+10 instead"
cunning fossil
This will keep all the dungeons fresh
Rather than making them run their course fastee
That's the thing with Rotations guys. You're gonna have favorites
And I doubt that out of 8 completely brand new dungeons, you won't find one of them that you like
And then season 3 and 4 will likely be a brand new mix of ones we already got
I don't see the problem here
languid yoke
I just think it makes more sense for new dungeons to have more of a spotlight, not share it on a same level with old ones
cunning fossil
The thing is that we don't know what "Old Ones" are gonna be back
They're gonna be 16 new dungeons for M+
languid yoke
I do not think if we had all 8 dungeons in season 1 and 4 carrier over into season 2 that they'd be "boring" by then.
cunning fossil
I do not think if we had all 8 dungeons in season 1 and 4 carrier over into seas...
Tell that to the player base then
Keks
uncut lintel
it doesnt matter ppl already farm necrotic wake for hours on end for a mount 😏
cunning fossil
It's possible we can get stuff from classic that fits thematically to play
languid yoke
that's only assuming they don't do it like season 4 and shove legion/bfa key dungeons in
cunning fossil
Imagine Hall's of Lightning on M+ lmao
uncut lintel
ptsd
languid yoke
I'd definitely love to see some thematic dungeons like Halls of Lightning, UBRS, Stonecore, Vortex Pinnacle, idk
cunning fossil
I mean if they're bringing uldaman back who KNOWS what else they're bringing back
languid yoke
so it's not like I'm not excited about returning dungeons part
deep pawn
Centaur are pretty old I thought
they're literally children of a wild god and an elemental princess
cunning fossil
Yeah they're old
languid yoke
I called it first ok bye
languid yoke
or, even if not fitting thematically, what about the dungeons they revamped at classic level only? like blackfathom deeps or kraul
deep pawn
perhaps a different race that looks like centaurs?
cunning fossil
That'd be something
deep pawn
Blizzard apparently regrets Chronicles I think haha
languid yoke
They could do a lot of cool stuff with the seasons bringing back old dungeons. Doesn't change I'd prefer all new dungeons + 2 old ones at start and then stuff being rotated around
uncut lintel
what is chronicles
deep pawn
Chronicles was supposed to be a series of books that codified the background lore of Warcraft and a basis for everything
rain cave
I mean if they're bringing uldaman back who KNOWS what else they're bringing bac...
I think you're not understanding this
They're not redoing uldaman as in a new dungeon for m+
deep pawn
There's just 3 books in Chronicles
deep pawn
They're not redoing uldaman as in a new dungeon for m+
that we know of, it sounds a lot like what they did with UBRS and UBRS was a challenge mode dungeon and was a candidate for m+
nocturne totem
You're gonna have basically 16 new dungeons to play this expac
There are 16 dungeons coming out in Dragonflight!?
deep pawn
In Hazel's interview Ion said they're looking at MoP and WoD dungeons first since they've never been m+
rain cave
My guess is everything WoD and forward is viable for a m+ dungeon
deep pawn
Nah, MoP too
rain cave
Oh mop too
Nice
But yeah they're not revamping them like hugely
Just setting them up for modern m+
It will be interesting
Legion dungeons appreciating high aoe
Vs something more pack oriented
cunning fossil
There are 16 dungeons coming out in Dragonflight!?
Well at least 16 coming for new M+ experiences
So basically 4 Dragonflight dungeons + 4 older dungeons on lauch
nocturne totem
I knew what you meant but saying "new" is misleading
strange falcon
it doesnt matter ppl already farm necrotic wake for hours on end for a mount 😏
0.1% mounts are gonna be so fun /s
cunning fossil
I knew what you meant but saying "new" is misleading
Well aren't they?
nocturne totem
New for M+ != New
cunning fossil
I certainly havn't run Uldaman in M+ before
I mean sure but that's why I said new for M +
Lol
rain cave
It's a not uldaman
strange falcon
Blizzard apparently regrets Chronicles I think haha
with how Steve has shown dislike of everything that isnt his, it could very well be him trying to paint over metzens work
cunning fossil
It's a not uldaman
Ohhh really? I thought that they basically revamped it
If so nvm that
languid yoke
do we know that at all?
rain cave
That's what I'd guess
cunning fossil
That just means there are still 4 old dungeons that could come back
rain cave
Since they said uldaman will be in prepatch
cunning fossil
And I think they're gonna be frok.class and Wrath to be titan related
strange falcon
this is also very interesting
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/966081000142688356/unknown.png
https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1516464484499570690
Twitter
uncut lintel
@strange falcon maybe the person is dating a blizzard workers daughter
then he asks so wuts up with the new xpc
cunning fossil
Kek
rain cave
Maybe the false details are to catch the leaker
Or maybe they are still doing the race
But just haven't announced it yet
Hence no preorder
uncut lintel
working on the pre order mount too maybe
cunning fossil
The fact they had no pre-order is so swag
uncut lintel
and we listened and now we willingly wanna buy buy buy
upper pasture
maybe they wanted to see initial reacting before opening the flood gates so they could tweak things if needed
cunning fossil
Facts
strange falcon
alpha is too early, you can get preorder bonuses even after the game is out, there is no rush unlike what you seem to believe
languid yoke
I'm a simple man, I see dragon race, I pre-order
cunning fossil
Kek
uncut lintel
alpha is too early, you can get preorder bonuses even after the game is out, the...
yea but, pre order, i want it now not a year later HAHIUSDHIDAW
cunning fossil
alpha is too early, you can get preorder bonuses even after the game is out, the...
Well of course. What I mean is I'm gonna wait until a lot of the main stuff is set in stone
uncut lintel
@strange falcon im so addicted
cunning fossil
The sooner they make me trust them, the better
strange falcon
yea but, pre order, i want it now not a year later HAHIUSDHIDAW
foxy daily stroke
cunning fossil
Worst case scenario, I'm buying the day before
Best case? It'll be the day the alpha concluded
strange falcon
The sooner they make me trust them, the better
trust is not easily earned, but for you two, it seems like it is.
cunning fossil
No?
uncut lintel
dragons make everyone happy u_u
cunning fossil
Lmao Daf are you like insulting my capability to think critically or something?
Like dude. I have said over and over i not pre-ordering until I'm sure I want to play
The strong hook is pretty good at the moment but it's up to them to keep me hooked
Like c'mon man give me a little more credit that that
uncut lintel
@strange falcon r u gonna play this expansion
if ppl say its good
like after 10.1 or smth
strange falcon
Like c'mon man give me a little more credit that that
you're saying all these things yourself, im not saying anything
😂
cunning fossil
you're saying all these things yourself, im not saying anything
It's what you're implying kek
strange falcon
<@94886929169920000> r u gonna play this expansion
most likely not
cunning fossil
Lmao
strange falcon
if you get good expac, you get fun,
if you get bad expac, i get to say "wow bad" more often, i dont see any downsides
uncut lintel
there are downsides
for u
@strange falcon wait what if they added doge race would u play then
strange falcon
<@94886929169920000> wait what if they added doge race would u play then
unlike what my profile pic may suggest to you im not a furry
uncut lintel
i just meant u like doges
._. u dont have to be a furry to like animals
ill take that as a no
strange falcon
if they dont fuck up next expansion after this one, i'll consider it
strange falcon
👋
strange falcon
Moderation being brought up again
talking of moderation, the new crafting thing is gonna be flooded with bots even more than currently, which is gonna be poggers
uncut lintel
im not at all dissapointed
we get dragons we get to play a dragon CUSTOIMIZE A DRAGON
A DRAGONDFAWSEHIO
strange falcon
too many foxy strokes today
cunning fossil
talking of moderation, the new crafting thing is gonna be flooded with bots even...
Erhm.
The extra professional stats and the other things will probably gonna hamper betting all together
rain cave
Botting isn't an issue in retail is
cunning fossil
Because lyou have to pick traits from your specialization for your profession and you gotta get the gear, and there's even more
rain cave
Is it?
cunning fossil
I believe it has reduced due to the 3rd party movement multiboxing being gone
rain cave
Maybe ah botting to fulfill orders instantly but
cunning fossil
I don't think that's possible
rain cave
That requires stock
cunning fossil
Becuas you'll want to do it with people who are high up
strange falcon
AH/gathering bots still exists in large numbers
cunning fossil
AH/gathering bots still exists in large numbers
Gathering will have the same sort of things
strange falcon
multiboxing bots still exists, but the policy changes scared off most people bots
cunning fossil
So yeah you're going to need to gear out all your bora with thw best gear
strange falcon
Bots won't reach 4-5 crafting specialty
who says bots dont have humans checking in on them
cunning fossil
Then that isn't botting kek.
And it'll be more obvious.
uncut lintel
bye all nap tim,e
cunning fossil
Also, the more human input needed, the less botted a system can be
It's not hard to just code a bot to go
strange falcon
even without bots, im sure the economy will be crashed within the first month like it was SL or any other expac
strange falcon
IXll believe it when I see it Daf
92? 12? i fear you're not good with roman numerals
cunning fossil
-> Fine Node -> Mine Node is easier than -> Get all good mining gear -> find Node-> mine Node-> level up professions tats -> etc whatever else is needed
K
strange falcon
if good mining gear can be purchased on AH, then that isnt even a step to be considered
cunning fossil
It probably will be made through the new commission system
rain cave
Would be interesting to see randomised node spawns
cunning fossil
And you still gotta level it up at the end of the say
rain cave
Even if it's minor
cunning fossil
You gotta go out of your way to get extra buffs for your profession
strange falcon
And you still gotta level it up at the end of the say
thats not an issue
getting the gear(assuming AH,or even commissions, since they can just commission each other)
is all setup, before they turn it into a full on bot.
im not very well versed in the botting scene, but trust me, if its very profitable, they'll find a way
cunning fossil
Then botting just will be there
I don't think it'll be any more than currently though
I severely doubt that
And eventually, they'll get better at detecting and ejecting bots
So whatever
It's a non-issue if you say they'll do everything they can before automation anyways
Still the extra stuff they have to go through could put people.off from bottung
Since it's a lot more set up than
Make 5 druids and give them minjng
nocturne totem
Is it true that you can't use any of your flying mounts to fly in the Dragon Isles?
strange falcon
from what we know currently, that seems to be the case
cunning fossil
Is it true that you can't use any of your flying mounts to fly in the Dragon Isl...
There won't be any flying day one. Only dragonriding. But I think they will be getting a ZM like achievement to get normal flying in the future
You can use your mounts of course. You just can't no clip through the air
nocturne totem
Oh did they say there would be normal flying later or is that just speculation?
cunning fossil
There is gonna be normal flying later on
They stated that in one of the interviews that they will still have regular flying
But not day one
You get dragonriding instead for day onw
Pretty fun alternative to the boring shit that is normal flying tbh
nocturne totem
If normal flying is the same speed I would probably just choose normal flying. I haven't played the thing though so we will see.
cunning fossil
If normal flying is the same speed I would probably just choose normal flying. I...
Dragonriding will be faster than normal.flying if you're good enough
They said that in the interview too
nocturne totem
Then it depends on how much effort it takes if it is worth it
cunning fossil
I mean sure.
But also
It's probably gonna be funner than pressing num lock and afking your way through
cunning fossil
Like it's up.to you ultimately but I'm probably gonna keep dragonriding as long as I'm in the Islea
nocturne totem
That still brings up the bad feel of having your whole mount collection somewhat invalidated.
Was already bad for ground mounts every time flying is unlocked.
cunning fossil
is it weird that my autorun button is mouse 4
Not at all tbh
cunning fossil
That still brings up the bad feel of having your whole mount collection somewhat...
Not really? You can still use your flying mounta if you wanna fly normally
You just have the option to have this badass cool dragon mount instead
Whe. You get flying, go ahead and use the mounts u have
nocturne totem
I say somewhat because your old flying mount is functionally worse than dragon riding if it is slower.
cunning fossil
Well no
You see
Dragon riding is faster but requires player input and is essentially a mini game as as transport
Regular flying is a little slower sure but you can AFK
It's honestly up to you
You wanna do them loopty loops? Go ahead fam
nocturne totem
If you want to go from point A to B quicker, you would use Dragon riding.
cunning fossil
Not if you're not good at it or you don't like it
Did you kiss the part in which I said it requires actual I volvelent from the player?
There's a trade of there that is relevant
nocturne totem
Doesn't matter if you don't like it. If your goal is to go from point A to B quicker, you would use dragonriding
cunning fossil
That's making the game all about numbers again lmao
rain cave
the numbers mason
cunning fossil
It's not like it's holding you at gun point to make it to the WQ 20 seconds earlier
Like bro the quest is still gonna be there lmao
Again
nocturne totem
I didn't say Blizz was making you
cunning fossil
The choice is faster but more involved, or a bit slower but less involved
Is that not a fair trade?*
nocturne totem
Yes, people will choose which path they want to take.
cunning fossil
So what's the problem?
nocturne totem
The choice to make dragonriding quicker still devalues your flying mount collection to some degree.
cunning fossil
It doesn't because if you want to fly normally and not dragon ride, you will still use your flying mounts
You don't HAVE to dragonride every time you fly
But for longer flights, it's probably better than flying. While short flights can just be a quick flying mount thing
The longer you're in the air, the more valuable dragonriding is probably
nocturne totem
Okay.
opaque pewter
I mean it's okay to have that POV, but I also don't think it's a problem. Nothing is of equal value
nocturne totem
I'm not saying your flying mounts are obsolete and they should just put them in the bin and remove them from the game.
cunning fossil
I didn't think that but I'm explaining that deagonriding doesn't do that
Like at all
It's just a different more engaging way to travel
Your flying mounts will still be useful
As your ground mounts are too
rain cave
also the dragon mounts look highly customizable
and I assume part of the argument comes from the liking of the appearances within your mount collection
I'm sure you'll be able to find some dragon customization to your liking
even then, most collectors don't collect things to use them
they collect them to have them
mount hunters probably don't use 99% of the mounts they collected
same with transmog
does that lessen their collection?
nocturne totem
For that player no because their purpose is to merely collect
I guess you an extent it is a non-issue because Blizz has a vision of what they want for their game. If they deem aspects more important and others important and put out their vision, players can decide if it is something they want to pay for and play.
rain cave
I see it similar to artifacts
except a lot less of a potential issue
some people didn't like the artifacts at first or at all because it pidgeon holed their spec
and the story
however it was because of the story/systems they wanted to explore
and I'd say it worked out alright
admittedly you could transmog your artifact
nocturne totem
No new weapon models for a whole expansion (I know there were a few like Arbiter and Maiden) was sad. Artifact weapons looked cool though.
strange falcon
That's making the game all about numbers again lmao
thats literally the prevalent mindset of the playerbase tho
strange falcon
They stated that in one of the interviews that they will still have regular flyi...
i dont think i saw this interview tbh
rain cave
the dragons for dragonriding look baller
it would be cool if they attached the armour and other customisations to other stuff too like they hinted
like the core dragon let us customize however
but then once we kill say, the primal incarnate of fire
we get fiery armour for the dragon
strange falcon
It's probably gonna be funner than pressing num lock and afking your way through
is "funner" even a word? looks weird, "more fun" imo would be less weird
rain cave
maybe it could even be an extra thing for raid rewards
like AOTC's get dragon armour
or somesuch
to replace to seasonal mount rewards
strange falcon
I press ctrl and shift with my thumb
isnt that very uncomfortable
rain cave
isnt that very uncomfortable
surprisingly my right hand is the one that feels like it's gotten worse
I need a better desk
but yes
strange falcon
It's not like it's holding you at gun point to make it to the WQ 20 seconds earl...
"this covenant kills the boss 2 seconds faster"
efficiency and minmaxing are the name of the game even when its not power related
rain cave
it's not amazingly comfortable but it's better than anything else
I'd disagree to an extent dafire
minmaxing gets thrown out the window by most people when convenience enters the equation and it outweights the numerical bonuses
case and point tons of balance druids still being night fae
despite that not being the best for balance
because it's close enough, allows them to offspec easily, and is much easier to deal with
cunning fossil
"this covenant kills the boss 2 seconds faster"
efficiency and minmaxing are the...
There is a difference between player power and getting to a quest faster lmao.
Play calculator simulater
It's a game guys
And our first step towards making it a game is making things more involved
So this is a good thing objectively
strange falcon
does that lessen their collection?
to a certain extent yes, there is no doubt that the prestige and the "coolness" of mounts has heavily diminished now that you get mounts from everything, and there's 10 recolors of all new mounts(in SL and bfa's case mostly)
to the point where collectors go "+1" rather than "oh cool new mount"
cunning fossil
People don't use all their mounts anyways
There's nothing wrong with that.
It happens even now so like
It's a non issue. Why are we complaining?
strange falcon
despite that not being the best for balance
i would argue here that venthyr being harder to use and having an actual punishment,
rather than "press and forget" button that also feels great, ontop of soulshape, is enough to equalize the power difference,
so yes there is more variables in some cases, could also be that re-earning everything on venthyr is just too much for them
strange falcon
It's a non issue. Why are we complaining?
discussing anything from next expac is currently a futile effort as we really dont have anything concrete only ideas and concepts
rain cave
it isn't for everyone if it's got a learning curve to it or people enjoy another playstyle that's only slightly worse in some scenarios
multiple builds can coexist
strange falcon
nocturne totem
People don't use all their mounts anyways
We are just amusing ourselves talking about new features.
Personally, I use different mounts based on what transmog I have on. My Argent Crusade mog? Argent Hippogryph. Red plate mog? Blanchy. Etc.
rain cave
I knew they looked like maloriak
cunning fossil
We are just amusing ourselves talking about new features.
Personally, I use dif...
Ngl I do the same. Is fun
I like using my fly stuff
rain cave
also if the dracthyr were made before the dragon isles were closed off, back when things were more fluid and elemental
since the dragons came from elementals
and the wild magic went away after the sundering or something
makes me think maybe back then the dracthyr were made with that wild, volatile elemental magic
when things were primordial
strange falcon
when things were primordial
im sure danuser isnt gonna put all the answers and half the plot in a book 🙂
rain cave
wew
uncut lintel
@cunning fossil
cunning fossil
💀
plain violet
makes me think maybe back then the dracthyr were made with that wild, volatile e...
Yeah. If we trust the live, the intro quests are all about explaining what they are.
rain cave
Yeah. If we trust the live, the intro quests are all about explaining what they ...
also, them existing might actually give more motivation for nefarian trying to make similar things later on
he wants to recreate the lost army of his father
plain violet
Totally agree on that.
A "i know he created something like these, I need it"
And that's not the first time. The lear of Neltharion in HM is mysterious, full of artifacts and titan objects.
So we were already on a "the black dragonflight try something, but before being crazy, himself was doing experiences"
rain cave
wonder if wrathion will be the racial leader
rain cave
not really feeling the class colour for evoker
feel like it should be closer to a pinkish orange
or a light blueish purple
since there's already so many in the cyan green blue area
deep pawn
I like teal
ancient jasper
Do you want to piss off a certain subset of people? Because that's how you do it lol
ember blaze
I wonder how they feel when they step outside and come across a rainbow
deep pawn
oh that subset was already furious when J was speaking, or hell, when any of the women were speaking.
deep pawn
Nope, they need to just be shut down and ignored.
tight willow
Only people i saw getting mad on the stream was people posting puke emojis when the trans person came on screen
ancient jasper
Of course not, Exaltys. The tears would be hilarious.
proud wharf
should have been a rainbow to represent all the dragonflight powers
Unironically some sort of Chromatic / Prismatic could make sense
Since the new race supposedly uses all the 5 aspects powers
ember blaze
yes
proud wharf
And bonus good blizzard points for LGBT representation
Although I hope they do let us have freedom over the humanoid forms, instead of just blood elf / human
How else will I live out my fantasy of gnome with pink hair as a black dragon
rain cave
Although I hope they do let us have freedom over the humanoid forms, instead of ...
yeah I've been saying this
I dont know how to feel about a human female model just sweating it with all the orcs
hope we get some horde races as options too
maybe as we see more from alpha and beta
they'll add more customization options
like in shadowlands
ancient jasper
Yeah the whole Blood Elf/Human human form is just.. bleh.
We already have far too many human/elves in the game as is
deep pawn
I think they could only make so many customizations
Hell my first guess was just blood elves and night elves.
rain cave
some of the most iconic dragons use different humanoid models
so limiting it to just female human model and belf
is just a tad weird
I get they have limits
but atleast something more horde oriented
deep pawn
They do, but this is Blizzard. If it was all races it'd be just boring basic customizations. At least we get draconic things to make them stand out
rain cave
I atleast want to see options for something more bestial
deep pawn
And they'll likely explain how Dracthyr aren't quite as powerful as normal dragons so their visage is limited
rain cave
like tauren male/female
ancient jasper
I mean they're cutting corners already by making Evoker limited to Dracthyr and Dracthyr limited to only Evoker...
rain cave
ik ik
proud wharf
What I don't like Is how physically draconic the human versions look
Like, this is supposed to be a disguise to blend in with humanity
Like onyxia did
Onyxia didn't have scales and horns and eyelashes
ancient jasper
I wasn't aware it was supposed to be a disguise.
proud wharf
I wasn't aware it was supposed to be a disguise.
That's what it's mostly been used for
uncut lintel
i dont rlly care abt having a human form bcuz 99% of the time ill be in dragon form
proud wharf
Same
uncut lintel
just like worgen i just pretend the human form doesnt exist
uncut lintel
that would be sick
proud wharf
They won't I bet ;-;
rain cave
but they get to do basic dragonriding style flying on the dragon isles
uncut lintel
yea they said if u wanna go from continent to continent they recomend a mount and stuff
rain cave
though they said something like more complicated styles of flying you still need the mount
ancient jasper
Supposedly they are getting a slightly better form of DH Double Jump, but won't be able to fly with their own Wings.
uncut lintel
ugh im too excited
rain cave
that being said, it would be cool if they get like a racial quest
to buff themselves
and they get a racial 'mount'
that is just them transforming into a larger dragon
proud wharf
Racial "mount" should just be them transforming into a same-colour dragon
proud wharf
Like it im a black dragon I turn into a regular old black dragon mount
Maybe you can even have a friend as a passenger
ancient jasper
Y'all are setting yourselves up for disappointment lol
proud wharf
Yes.
proud wharf
What I'm currently most put off by is the humanoid form
Mainly because
- Blood elf
- with scales
uncut lintel
yea alot of ppl say it looks weird but i honestly think its not that bad
some of the customizations look nice together
uncut lintel
but then wouldnt that be a normal elf
proud wharf
Yes.
uncut lintel
so they wont do that then
proud wharf
Once again, supposed to be a disguise ;-;
uncut lintel
ancient jasper
And technically, Schnuff, these aren't your typical Dragons we are talking about here
proud wharf
They will probably say it's because they are lesser dragons and can't disguise as well as the literal aspects
ancient jasper
They're a completely new race made by whatshisface
proud wharf
Also they were made by nelfarion and he's not got a good track record
uncut lintel
the black dragon dude who died i guess
proud wharf
Weird way of spelling "coolest final boss"
uncut lintel
look maybe u can find like a skinning person with a large hammer to break those horns off of u and pay the barber a little extra for scale removal
haha scale removel
ancient jasper
LOL
uncut lintel
sounds like some stupid shit someone would make up irl
ancient jasper
Except.. Far worse than just removing a few layers of skin lol
uncut lintel
yea ur removing chunks of urself
smaug had it happen to him and look wheres he at now, hes DEAD
proud wharf
Either way if I can't make myself look normal I'll just... Wear a helmet
uncut lintel
a helmet is cursed
uncut lintel
the horns gonna clip through the helmet so bad
proud wharf
Will the helmet cover the horns or will we have mini helmets on the horns
ancient jasper
That's just it.. We haven't seen EITHER model with armor on yet
So there might not even be armor models for them
proud wharf
Dragon form helmets probably don't exist
proud wharf
Dragon form probably only lets you have chest, legs and maybe possibly gloves
OR the armour we saw was more like the um
Like a customisation option
Like jewellery or hair colour
ancient jasper
Dude you gotta find yourself a side game to distract yourself lol
uncut lintel
idc if its broken
proud wharf
I'd be happy with a dressing room lol
uncut lintel
Dude you gotta find yourself a side game to distract yourself lol
IDK I DONT HAVE ANYTHNG ELSE I JUST WANT WOW E
proud wharf
Dude you gotta find yourself a side game to distract yourself lol
What I've been doing since shadowlands launched
I've gotten cracked at metal gear rising
uncut lintel
i dont have any snacks to keep me occupied
so im just sitting here being hyped as fuck
ancient jasper
Well let's put it this way: You're going to be waiting, bare minimum, at least another 6 months before you get to poke anything unless you get in to the Beta lol
proud wharf
Ima beg blizzard to make the dragons look like dragons lol
plain violet
Yeah. They already look like dragons.
They could even look like Tarrasque, that would still be dragons.
uncut lintel
i didnt fail to reconize
having options like that would be nice
but its still a dragon in its current model just bcuz its skinnier
plain violet
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. ^^'
Dragons aren't "menacing creature that need to look a particular way"
Some dragons in our history were even just salamanders.
uncut lintel
ye
yes they are cooler when buffed and over powered but u can still make a nice dragon with current model, im just excited to be a dragon in general A CHILDHOOD DREAA
M
no more going to roblox
plain violet
And even in World of Warcraft, since Vanilla, "dragon" was tied to many different appearances, even some that weren't menacing.
Yeah. If we want a buffed skin, the best would be this to be optionnal.
But to let the base aspect be slim. I don't want another worgen syndrome.
uncut lintel
subtle oar
That's what it's mostly been used for
That's dragons tho. These are not Dragons, these are creations by Neltharion to be the perfect army
subtle oar
Either way if I can't make myself look normal I'll just... Wear a helmet
As far as we know, Blizz has stated their Draconic form will not show armor, only humanoid
cunning fossil
Do you want to piss off a certain subset of people? Because that's how you do it...
That subset of people suck ass.
proud wharf
As far as we know, Blizz has stated their Draconic form will not show armor, onl...
Pogging out of my mind rn
Thank the lord
proud wharf
That's dragons tho. These are not Dragons, these are creations by Neltharion to ...
If these are the perfect army, then why would they have a human form, other than as a disguise...
plain violet
You said it.
Disguise, and we do not yet know all their lore, except that yes, they are experiment to be a perfect army.
uncut lintel
@subtle oar perfect army to be warcraft merch and be sitting on my bed as stuffed animals
proper palm
Nice argument, one small detail you fail to recognise
Need.
subtle oar
Thank the lord
This is a bad thing tho.
subtle oar
If these are the perfect army, then why would they have a human form, other than...
Because they are mixed with Mortals. They are not just dragon dna.
subtle oar
No. They were created BEFORE Neltharion had fallen to madness, according to Mr Danuser
proud wharf
No I meab
I thought they were just pure dragons but for being a military
Not human dragon hybrid monsters
subtle oar
Nah. The Lore Deep Dive after the reveal with Danuser had his explain how they came to be
cunning fossil
lmao
uncut lintel
we must protecc him