beta-ptr-spoilers

[sullen dawn]

To hide humanoid face

[strange falcon]

144p gang

[ancient jasper]

I mean the Alexstrasza promo art wasn't THAT blurry lol

[sullen dawn]

Diff source

[rain cave]

it's med'an

[sullen dawn]

Lol

[ancient jasper]

God no

[sullen dawn]

Medivh

Medivh hit the gym

[ancient jasper]

They need to write Med'an out of WoW entirely

[sullen dawn]

Pff itll probably turn out medan is medivh

Or something stupid like that

[leaden elm]

Thay've probably already forgotten about him.

[rain cave]

meryl felstorm exists

in game

[ember blaze]

question: did people outside of kyrian get to know anything about pelagos?

[leaden elm]

Like that thing in silithus that doesn't exist anymore.

[ancient jasper]

We learned a bit.

[rain cave]

lol I'm just imagining the others just like

"so here's the new head of HR"

[ancient jasper]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Pelagos

Probably your best bet for Pelagos info

[sullen dawn]

They look pretty evil ngl

[ember blaze]

yeah but i mean within the game

[strange falcon]

the previous arbiter was cuter ngl

[leaden elm]

What that faceless thing?

[ancient jasper]

I mean.. The previous Arbiter was female, so.. lol shrug

[rain cave]

the arbitussy

[ember blaze]

cause ive seen some people say they dont know anything about him, so the arbiter thing didnt make sense for a nobody

[sullen dawn]

Pelegos isnt male or female I think

[ember blaze]

which id agree if they didnt do a good job outside kyrian players

[ember blaze]

he's a man. Though idk what that has to do with what i said 🤔

[sullen dawn]

You sure? Thought they said pelegos was gender fluid

[rain cave]

pelagos transformed himself into a man with the magic of soul fuckery

[ember blaze]

Pelagos was a woman when alive

[sullen dawn]

Ah

[ember blaze]

but that wasn't something he felt represented by

[sullen dawn]

My mistake

[ember blaze]

so his soul changed

or whatever

[deep pawn]

the "cinematic" could be a flashback to when the Dragonmaw enslaved and forced her to breed.

[sullen dawn]

Yeh that's fair enough. Theres souls living in swords so...

[rain cave]

what's with the golden marble strucutre then

[deep pawn]

Pelagos' soul was always male. It wasn't until death his form could match that.

[rain cave]

or maybe we actually find a band of orcs who thrall never found in WC3

because they went to the dragon isles

[deep pawn]

Marble and gold/bronze spikes are an architecture we haven't seen yet

[rain cave]

since thrall never found the dragonmaw did he?

[deep pawn]

The Dragonmaw were in Twilight Highlands where they always were.

[rain cave]

ah ok

maybe a splinter group then?

[deep pawn]

We've exterminated most of them since they sided with Garrosh

[rain cave]

maybe it's a new race entirely?

[sullen dawn]

Something like the stone guys from pandaria

[subtle oar]

Mogu

[sullen dawn]

But more fleshy

Ya

[subtle oar]

A lot of them are fleshy

[sullen dawn]

Same evolutionary line maybe

[subtle oar]

They were Titanforged like the Tolvir and Vrykul

[nocturne totem]

I don't think the comics are canon at all, are they?

[deep pawn]

Last they've said they're non-Canon

[sullen dawn]

I could see these guys being simialrish to mogu

[deep pawn]

But Meryl showed up in Legion didn't he?

[subtle oar]

Med'an isn't, the plot points in the comics, are

[deep pawn]

Things aren't canon until they decide they are.

[rain cave]

maybe it;s samuro

lol

[deep pawn]

Med'an likely isn't made canon cause ugh, who needs a half human, 1/4th orc, 1/4th draenei chosen one

[rain cave]

they add blademaster as a dragon themed ninja spec

[nocturne totem]

True true and also not canon when they decide they aren't.

[deep pawn]

We already have anduin.

[rain cave]

burning blade except it's alexstrasza's life fire

[deep pawn]

If that's the Drac'thyr, well they look like this

https://c.tenor.com/xUcyGNRpqQQAAAAC/hahaha-funny.gif

[rain cave]

sweet jesus

[ancient jasper]

So: Covenant Races as playable Races.. Probably not at this point, eh?

[subtle oar]

Def not. It makes no sense for them to be

[ancient jasper]

Really?

[nocturne totem]

Why is a being bound to serving the afterlife going to concern themselves with Azeroth?

[subtle oar]

They were once living souls. Their existence now is in service of the Shadowlands. They had their lives

[deep pawn]

More of a why not? Especially if Azeroth existing is key to them existing

[ancient jasper]

I mean.. We already know Kyrian, Necrolords AND the Revendreth people have been fucking with mortals and shit for ages

[subtle oar]

Plus, wtf would a Kyrian have to do with the reletively petty faction trifles of mortals?

[deep pawn]

I think it's more of a "Will this make us money on race changes"

[subtle oar]

Nah

You cant ass pull that much to make it make sense

[ancient jasper]

Uh.. Two words: Void Elves

[cunning fossil]

What does that have to do with em?

[ancient jasper]

Void Elves make even fucking less sense than any other race imaginable being made playable

[deep pawn]

They were created for the hell of it to give Alliance blood elves but different

[subtle oar]

Uh, no

[strange falcon]

trust me, they can,
mr danuser has "retcon" as his middle name

😂

[nocturne totem]

Remove race/class restrictions

Print a lot of money

[ancient jasper]

There's a grand total of like 12 Void Elves in existence. They didn't even EXIST until Blizzard asspulled them in Legion to have a counterpart to the Horde's Allied Race

[subtle oar]

Void Elves make far more sense because Alleria. The denizens in the Shadowlands are literally the souls of mortals who have based on.

[subtle oar]

Yuck

[strange falcon]

i dont even play alliance, but them getting diaper disabled gnomes, instead of snakebois was the biggest crime

[subtle oar]

^^^

[ancient jasper]

Not really. They've stated they can't reproduce the ritual that made the first Void Elves so.. How are there so damned many?

[subtle oar]

Diaper Gnomes should have just been customizations for regular Gnomes

[ancient jasper]

Yea Diaper Gnomes are a fucking war crime against the Alliance

[deep pawn]

I'd love Kyrian and Faun as races

I think Lore wise though as soon as we leave Oribos and turn off our portals, time unsyncs and next we see it'll be a fully redeemed Kael'thas

[subtle oar]

I wouldn't. Because it makes zero sense. They have jobs to do for the Shadowlands. AND they had their chance at Life and passed on.

[ancient jasper]

@subtle oar Yes and we have proof that said souls have, FAR more than once, went to the Mortal plane to do shit and fuck with mortals in general.

[deep pawn]

I already told you what it could be. Azeroth is key to the Shadowlands existing so saving Azeroth is their job

[subtle oar]

Incorrect.

The Necrolords can go to the mortal plain only on missions that service the Shadowlands protection

The Kyrian ride the veil to ferry souls

Revendreth they cant leave, same with Night Fae

[ancient jasper]

Okay so you're going to ignore the Quest where you go to Azeroth to help a soul move on as a Kyrian. Where we know Draka has went more than once to spy on the Legion and shit. Where the Revendreth literally created fucking Dread Lords that have been fucking mortals and immortals alike over for THOUSANDS of years

[subtle oar]

I literally just said that lmao

[subtle oar]

^

[subtle oar]

^

[deep pawn]

The Nathrezim are weird, but they were created to go outside

[subtle oar]

^

They were created to serve the Jailer and Daddy D's plans

[rain cave]

the nathrezim were also literally kicked out

[subtle oar]

^

[deep pawn]

So Marble and Gold is an aesthetic dragons like

[subtle oar]

You're just wrong, Kinara

[ancient jasper]

Except.. they never actually left. Or some of them didn't, at least.

[deep pawn]

Wyrmrest at least to me appears to be marble

[rain cave]

I'm just looking at the alternate skins for garrosh in hearthstone there's some funny lines here

"I'M NOT BAD, I'M JUST NOT THRALL"

"I WISH I COULD SOLVE THIS WITH TIME TRAVEL"

[deep pawn]

And they could easily create a reason for the shadowlands denizens to go to Azeroth

Especially as important as she is to the ENTIRE COSMOS

[ancient jasper]

Yeah it's interesting just how much of a hardon all these cosmic entities have for Azeroth lol

[deep pawn]

it's the Keystone

Zereth is Keystone

[rain cave]

Zeroth is the lock maybe?

[deep pawn]

Perhaps the planets name is originally Zereth

[ancient jasper]

But aren't there half a dozen or more Zereth's?

[rain cave]

yes

we might be the nexus of those

[deep pawn]

"Zereth Totalis" ? 😄

[rain cave]

nah I think that maybe

Azeroth

is literally like

the prime lock or whatever

for all the keys

[subtle oar]

No, they can't. There is no reason for them to go to Azeroth. They all had their chance at life. They are literally the souls of mortals who died. x3 They shouldnt get a second chance at life in the Mortal plain

[deep pawn]

It's not life, it's literally defending the lynchpin of existence

[subtle oar]

Incorrect.

[glass flicker]

I don't want to join the Burning Legion, Mr. Jaraxxus. I want to form the Burning Lego.

[sullen dawn]

I wonder if medivh was aware of first ones

Presumably yes

[ember blaze]

this should have been true for all the allied "races"

[ancient jasper]

You work for Blizz, Wynter? If not you can say incorrect all you want and still not know what the hell Blizzard has planned.

[glass flicker]

If the Shadowlands races were planned as allied races, they would've already got the rigging for battle animations that already exist.

[rain cave]

the shadowlands races are very stiffly modelled

[strange falcon]

Even the nightborne we got are a pale imitation of the npc nightborne

[uncut lintel]

@cosmic beacon

[strange falcon]

See im famous enough in other discords to have memes made

[glass flicker]

Never change.

[ember blaze]

i'll always be upset about this

even the glow they reluctantly added later. Everything half assed

[strange falcon]

Half assed is the blizzard motto in recent years

[rain cave]

to me it just seems like it's because they have clunky old tech

[ember blaze]

being a legion baby playing through suramar, i wanted to play as those NPCs

[rain cave]

and managment

[ember blaze]

then i got sad that horde was getting them as I was playing alliance

but then what we got 😑

[rain cave]

fuck u play as a liver failure night elf with the light brown skin

[ember blaze]

those huge male proportions have always put me off some characters

[vernal juniper]

https://i.im.ge/2022/04/18/lkclBf.jpg

So what is this photo

[uncut lintel]

@strange falcon nah but u make funny memes i enjoy them :> so its appreciated

[subtle oar]

Fake

[deep pawn]

well that's the "AI upscaled" of the pic scaleface initially posted

It is implied to be from the cinematic

[vernal juniper]

who is scaleface

[subtle oar]

I've been burned by "cinematic" leaks before

That Ziggeraut cinematic leak, I swear is for cut story in Slands

[strange falcon]

Maybe you're a masochist and you like being burned what do you know

😂

[subtle oar]

Bet there will be a new PTR build tomorrow with stuff about 10.0

[vernal juniper]

yeah

for sure

or in the week

[rain cave]

it just gets lower quality everytime it's posted I love it

[uncut lintel]

[deep pawn]

that was someone "trying to upscale"

[rain cave]

upscale the scales

[vernal juniper]

I think it make sense

Garrosh will be there

I remember they said in the past

"someone will escape the maw"

was Garrosh in the maw?

we got some in game cinematic for him

But I can't remember where he was

[autumn dagger]

Garrosh got turned to ash

[vernal juniper]

grommash?

Yeah it can make sense

Bring an old strong char, escaping shadowlands and lead the horde

We only need to know who escaped, they said 2 years ago, someone will escape

I'm pretty sure aboit it

[deep pawn]

oooo

new pics

https://imgur.com/2QsmJzi

oops

[vernal juniper]

source?

[deep pawn]

https://imgur.com/ju1rVYR

the mmo-c thread like everything else

god dang it watcher. I'm sorry

https://imgur.com/9sdyQqw

I mean could be fake, but lines up with other "things" i suppose haha

I'm gonna be sad if a dragon race doesn't look that cool.

Someone else has said they think the devs have played too much PoE when it came to talents

[nocturne totem]

Day before the announcement. Last day to get out all of the crazy stuff you made to fake out people

[dense plover]

no way that dragon race is real

[upper pasture]

that humanoid model off the side looks too much like a certain
other MMO

[dense plover]

it looks so fake

[vernal juniper]

Well it take double effort

to make them in 2 colors

is not just swapping 1 color but all the gradient

He needed to create the full model, and then paint the skin

and turn it around

[deep pawn]

It's called WoW, Worgen

[dense plover]

yes, but they couldve just made a greyscale model and then colored it after

[vernal juniper]

Wait

just look the feet

[dense plover]

like clearly if this is fake, its well done

[upper pasture]

naw, i mean like the slender model with those pointy ears look like its right out of FF14

[vernal juniper]

Are the same foot as the worget?

worgen?

it seems the same feet

[dense plover]

yes and the knees have a weird stretched texture

[cunning fossil]

What in the fuck is going on in here?

I leave yuou little shits for 4 hours and THIS is what I see

[upper pasture]

just another pre announcement leak

or well "leak"

[cunning fossil]

You're all deplorable

I kid

I may disagrtee with you guys but I love you all (platonically)

[upper pasture]

that talent tree page tho. i'd take that

[deep pawn]

Current worgen creation

[cunning fossil]

Wait but seriously what have I missed/

[deep pawn]

scroll up

[cunning fossil]

How far do I scroll T^T

[deep pawn]

Araxen posted 3 images saying "F Bobby Kotick"

[cunning fossil]

y'all like typing like monsters

[deep pawn]

16 minutes

[dense plover]

yeah its the exact same foot as a worgen

definitely fake

[cunning fossil]

Now this? This I can get behind

[deep pawn]

I can't

I'm imagining bears having to never have Balance affinity again

Unless you get all the points

[cunning fossil]

build Guardian/Moonkin Druid

Pull from range all the time

lols

[deep pawn]

sounds like a waste of dev time or they'll constantly be balancing broken stuff

Why can't they just make specs good by themselves

The moment someone maths out the best path that's it

[upper pasture]

because people always chase the "meta" and others take nothing but the "best"

[cosmic beacon]

🥵

[deep pawn]

I suppose those feet could be mirrored female worgen

If it's just a "racial" combat form that isn't constant it'd make sense it's not a whole new rig

People are speculating no armor because you use it as a burst CD

[rain cave]

in fact, there's already a drakonid race who use worgen rig

so there's a precedent for it

[deep pawn]

I'd rather be able to use that form in combat and wear armor rather than it being a CD myself

[subtle oar]

It might not be fake, but not for Retail WoW. There is currently some pretty big ||Private Servers|| that are doing big things.

[dense plover]

maybe, but its definitely not the next expac

[subtle oar]

Yeah, I agree

[deep pawn]

I'm looking like I'm in the minority liking this model

[rain cave]

I like it

[subtle oar]

It doesnt match the Draconid or Dragonkin we have in game

Thats why its not believable

[upper pasture]

don't get me wrong its a nice model but i don't think its the same art style as the rest of WoW

[rain cave]

it does though

[upper pasture]

it don't

[deep pawn]

it does match the art, if anything it's not "smooth" enough but the scales match other scaly things it wow

https://i.imgur.com/yidxocc.png

[rain cave]

and the rig matches another dragonkin

let me try find him

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=41378/maloriak

this gentleman

[upper pasture]

ultimately we find out in less than a day

[deep pawn]

it's the female nathrezim pose

https://i.imgur.com/0EvO4gi.png

[rain cave]

oh it's using the demonhunter metamorph rig?

not the worgen one

ok

well in that case it being some kind of CD would probably make sense

and that implies a class 🤔

[deep pawn]

if it's a racial CD that'll be extremely weak though

[subtle oar]

It doesnt match this at all.

[rain cave]

I corrected myself

because I thought the race used worgen rigs

in which case maloriak fits

but turns out it uses the DH meta rig

[deep pawn]

Post I agree with "For the sake of argument, assume that talent UI is real.

That means there would be 528 class-specific talents and 1260 spec specific talents, if all the classes/specs had the same amount. You really trust them to balance that? Lmao."

[languid yoke]

this bit looks weird

[rain cave]

depends on if those talents are big or not :p

[deep pawn]

if you're picking class abilities, that's big

[rain cave]

wdym

isn't it just like an old talent tree with a new UI in that pic?

if it stacks with the current design

most of those might just be slat % increases to certain skills

[deep pawn]

they seem to be single point things

one is literally "rejuv"

[languid yoke]

if it's real, could just be legion class weapons levels of buffs maybe weaker

[deep pawn]

Does Path of Exile have you pick abilities as you go along?

[deep pawn]

I'm so confused by people hating the dragon model if it was real

What the hell makes it look any sillier than female tauren, draenei, or elves in general?

[rain cave]

it's a solid model

I think the only thing that gives it away is the feet

since they look 1:1 with worgen

[ancient jasper]

You think Blizzard would have any issues reusing some of their own work?

[deep pawn]

It's the same feet in worgen, meta, and nathrezim

If it's not the full time model I could see them absolutely cribbing their own work

[languid yoke]

well it could go the allied race path and therefore not be required to use a completely new model

[uncut lintel]

we talking abt stuff we aint getting again in her

e

[languid yoke]

yes

[uncut lintel]

[languid yoke]

coping for dragon dads

[uncut lintel]

those dragonkins r too good to be true

i want a dragon milf

but noo

blizz go brr

[languid yoke]

in other news new PTR build just dropped

[uncut lintel]

for 9.2.5

?

[languid yoke]

well yeah

[uncut lintel]

wuts in it

[languid yoke]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1516187682497564680

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

After a long hiatus a brand new 9.2.5 PTR build has emerged 👀

9.2.5 (43057) → 9.2.5 (43254)

Twitter · Apr 18, 2022, 10:51 PM

[uncut lintel]

anything new customization wise

[deep pawn]

oooo

[uncut lintel]

i dont have ptr installed

i cant check and i cba waiting 5 hours

[languid yoke]

it's been 3 minutes

[uncut lintel]

oh

[deep pawn]

I'm mid battlegrounds match haha

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1516189917474430989/photo/1

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Are the Raids going to rotate weekly in Season 4 of Shadowlands?

Twitter · Apr 18, 2022, 11:00 PM

small patch notes for the build

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-2-5-ptr-development-patch-notes-for-april-18th-legendary-base-item-326732

[upper pasture]

Hey look crafting leggo catch up

Maybe finally we will see prices drop

[uncut lintel]

hopefully the next legendary system we get wont be a gold thing

[ember blaze]

@uncut lintelthe problem with that is those armor prof become useless no? 🤔

unless armor kits, and the weapon stones are enough content for people

I wish jewelcrafting let you socket gear for others 😶

[languid yoke]

not useless no lmao

[ember blaze]

instead of it being tied to rep or whatever

or rng

[uncut lintel]

wtf r u talking abt

having a system like legendaries be free every xpac untill now is stupid, either keep it free or dont add it at all, no one wants to buy wow tokens or farm gold all day just to afford a piece of gear ._.

id rather my legendaries have rng instead of me going broke

i have no idea wut ur talking abt

[harsh wedge]

RNG Legendaries at the beginning of legion were really bad

[ember blaze]

then why get so hostile

[uncut lintel]

sorry u read it in that tone

[uncut lintel]

yea bcuz theres so many of em haha

[ember blaze]

legendaries coming from professions added a layer of usefulness for going those professions

[harsh wedge]

Like you could play your character for two, three months without ever seeing any legendary and others could already have both

[ember blaze]

they just made it awful to get into it

[uncut lintel]

idc

it shuld be free

[harsh wedge]

Problem wasnt there were too much of them (maybe it was), but the problem was the droprate

[ember blaze]

with all this rank bs with such a huge wall

to get into

only wealthy people able to do

[uncut lintel]

it made professions useful bcuz ppl will buy wo tokens to afford it

wow

[ember blaze]

and then later on, losing even more gold just to level it up

[uncut lintel]

im still using 225 bcuz every other one is like 500k to 1 mil gold

[ember blaze]

there should have been other means to level up your ranks

and allow more people to get into it

[uncut lintel]

yes

[harsh wedge]

Really ? Priciest one is 100k on my realm

[uncut lintel]

i dont do professions bcuz im lazy and i forget to even skin my shit that i kill

i just liked getting my legendary thing for my system free

one less thing i had to worry abt back then

[ember blaze]

if you used cloth it was always cheap 😂

[uncut lintel]

[ember blaze]

700k cloth available at all times

[uncut lintel]

still tho

its just rediclous

[harsh wedge]

It has problem but no way is it worse than random legendaries

[uncut lintel]

its a piece of gear u use for 2 yrs only to lvl it up and get rid of so tats y i find it stupid

[uncut lintel]

for me as someone whos not rich and cant afford wow tokens, i find it worse than legendaries, id rather have a random bad one then having to worry abt gold

also 9.2.5 when

[ember blaze]

or how about neither

[uncut lintel]

no legendary

that would be nice

imagine finally getting a gear slot that isnt being used by a legendary

ugh

[harsh wedge]

True legendaries would be great

[ember blaze]

legendaries dont even feel legendary anyways

[uncut lintel]

no

it just feels like another thing to level up

like the other 5 systems

[ember blaze]

i felt better about them in legion

[harsh wedge]

I meant, true ones like valanyr, thunderfury and others

[ember blaze]

and i actually felt strong with them

[uncut lintel]

yea bcuz u got it and that was it

and true

some made u so op it was fun

[ember blaze]

im not talking about just having the item

im talkinga bout the effects

and power coming from that

[uncut lintel]

im not either i wasnt done typing

i remember some of the feral druid ones for energy i really liked that one

[ember blaze]

i miss my shielf from that neck

[uncut lintel]

i had another one but idk what it was i cba to log onto my main to see

[uncut lintel]

the times half ur bank on ur toon was half filled with random legendaries

[ember blaze]

i never got that many

it took me weeks before i got my first legendary

maybe a couple months 🤔

[languid yoke]

okay yeah no the dragon posted is not female worgen it's the female dreadlords

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1516207318328770561

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

Some interesting new additions to those strange stable areas added to SW and Org on the PTR. Worker NPCs and a new quest:

Twitter · Apr 19, 2022, 12:09 AM

Hmm,

Feels housish

[rain cave]

wew

early access to player housing preorder?

kek

[upper pasture]

Mmmm player housing is like the only thing I want to see in 10.0 I like collecting things so another thing for me to collect makes me happy

[uncut lintel]

collect de-- ok i wont do another joke but yea

[upper pasture]

Present them and I’ll collect them

[deep pawn]

Wait, the dreamway is dying

maybe

[rain cave]

hm?

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna compare to live real fast

[rain cave]

what are you comparing

if you want me to get on and look

[deep pawn]

The dream trees in Feralas, Hinterlands, and Duskwood

[rain cave]

ok I'll go have a gander

anything I should look for?

[deep pawn]

ah, maybe they were always yellow

[pulsar trail]

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/K9VObqoc1WCo.jpg
https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/J09xLxJUPkpU.jpg
https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/ZITCriCAkEo4.jpg
https://imgur.com/G9GuElZ

[rain cave]

😳

[upper pasture]

Oh no it’s dalaran again!

[deep pawn]

yeah, nevermind, the Dream trees are yellow on live, so if they're dying it's been a while

[subtle oar]

Looks fake

[rain cave]

dragonran

[upper pasture]

That first photo gives me very HP game reveal trailer vibes

[subtle oar]

HP?

[rain cave]

harry potter I asusme

[upper pasture]

Harry Potter

[rain cave]

bingo

[pulsar trail]

found on mmo-c, didn't see them posted here yet

[nocturne totem]

Nothing in those two pics denotes anything WoW related specifically

[rain cave]

somebody mentioned dragonmaw earlier

the figure in the 1st looks orcish

same as the pic earlier

and the dragon being enslaved looks like a flashback perhaps?

maybe to a dragon being enslaved

weird

[subtle oar]

This. Those pics distinctly do not feel WoWish at all

[pulsar trail]

can't return to present time tirisfal on the ptr

might just be me tho will check other char in a bit

[deep pawn]

hmm, dragon flying to a city that looks like Dalaran

gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/rB5j60j91w9M.jpg

clearer version of the pics from above but someone wrote their name over it

Looks like they landed Dalaran in Val'sharah/Highmountain border?

[rain cave]

starting to just look like ue4 renders

[rain cave]

same pose in all of them and it looks like a stock T pose

[deep pawn]

https://i.imgur.com/JrU4eeA.jpeg

ooo, this is crisp

[rain cave]

missing the border around the text at the bottom me thinks

also hella similar to bfa logos colours

and azeroth's continents are missing from the middle planet part

[rain cave]

bonus points for the shape inspiration though

[glass flicker]

Speculating to the last moment, huh? Have some patience, the reveal comes in a few hours.

[rain cave]

14 hours

[glass flicker]

Not that much. Take a nap, watch a movie.

[rain cave]

we're just looking for that last scoop and AHA moment

well, I could sleep since it's nearly 3am

[uncut lintel]

needs more elune and green on it

[glass flicker]

Stop.

[deep pawn]

it's not even 10pm for me

[uncut lintel]

no

[glass flicker]

No more Elune.

[uncut lintel]

yes

[rain cave]

I think we're all informationaholics here though

[uncut lintel]

more

[glass flicker]

Elune is a bitch.

[uncut lintel]

im a druid and i kneel to elune like a slave

because shes a moon

[rain cave]

eluwune

[uncut lintel]

and moons r cool

and she has a pet named ysera which i find funny

[rain cave]

balance druid?

[uncut lintel]

look at my pfp and ask me that again

[deep pawn]

they're there

[rain cave]

then you're not a slave of elune

😄

[uncut lintel]

[deep pawn]

it's a VERY big picture

[uncut lintel]

HEY

[rain cave]

only connection elune has to druids is balance spec

[uncut lintel]

yes i am

[glass flicker]

Elune, the chick who would make Ysera, the most boring of the Aspects a fucking constellation, but also the chick who lets a civilization get genocided for an expendable currency.

[rain cave]

that is, in terms of power

[uncut lintel]

[rain cave]

elune isn't about that nature life

she's all about arcane and light

possibly death magic too ;p

[uncut lintel]

then why do druids like her so much

[deep pawn]

Reminder of the original name leak

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795806618700349445/965790390559076402/unknown.png

I think that's it

[uncut lintel]

holy shit

its similar as hell

[rain cave]

well

fucked the dad of their boss I guess more specifically

[uncut lintel]

[rain cave]

why tf is is so green here then

[glass flicker]

No bottom border where Dragonflight is written. That looks very wrong and triggers my OCD.

[rain cave]

yeah

[rain cave]

also this version is too close to bfa as I said, but the center even looks like heart of azeroth lmao

[glass flicker]

CHAMPIEN

[rain cave]

fuck sake magni

just let the jewlecrafters loose on that man

I'll socket his nut into my gear

[uncut lintel]

they gonna bring magni back to like troll us at the start then he will sit down in a random spot like baine for the rest of the xpac

[glass flicker]

That'd be fucking hilarious.

[uncut lintel]

id fucking die

of laughter

[deep pawn]

Magni is still the speaker

And I think Azeroth plays a role

[rain cave]

I mean, with kadghar being teased

we could get like

a poster boy A team

[uncut lintel]

like they can make a rickroll quest for azerite but in reality he just doesnt kno the actual name for wut we have to get so we end up being pissed going to the looting spot

[rain cave]

bolvar, kadghar, magni

maybe illidan comes back even

kek

fuck it let thrall in too why not

[uncut lintel]

i thought he is suffering by fighting that big fire dude 24/7 no breaks between pvpers

[rain cave]

nah he doesn't fight him fire man is stuck to the chair

[uncut lintel]

[rain cave]

he just trims his toenails slightly too short every time

[uncut lintel]

THAT GIVES A WRONG PICTURE

[rain cave]

and tickles him

keeps his eyes open

[uncut lintel]

illidaddy proven to be gaaay

[rain cave]

so they dry out

[deep pawn]

https://i.postimg.cc/1tSL7Q7s/image.png

[rain cave]

looks like the UK and ireland

[deep pawn]

It's Eastern Kingdoms and either Kul Tiras or the Broken Isles

[rain cave]

I doubt it's real

[deep pawn]

it's too big and crisp, I'm pretty sure it's real

[uncut lintel]

they say that too about chip bags but then its half air

[deep pawn]

Dragonflight is too generic a word to be trademarked so that's why it's missing it

[uncut lintel]

[rain cave]

if that's real then so is the one from earlier with the orc/person and the dragon on the structure of marble

since they share the same style

[subtle oar]

It is trademarked

Thats why its confirmed

[deep pawn]

WoW is registered

I haven't seen any trademark filing shown up yet

[glass flicker]

Personally, Dragonflight seems very vague as an expansion name to me. It could be even World of Warcraft: the Dragonflight.

That simple addition of "the" makes it sound better for me.

Anyone else?

[uncut lintel]

no

dragonflight is fine

just like how shadowlands is or legion

"the" is overrated

no one wants to say "the" everytime they wanna talk abt something

[glass flicker]

Not using it makes you sound russian.

[uncut lintel]

and thats bad because?

[glass flicker]

It's not bad.

It's hilarious.

[uncut lintel]

o-ok

[deep pawn]

We've had Cataclysm and Shadowlands too

[uncut lintel]

dragonflight sounds rlly pertty

i think the would ruin it

[deep pawn]

It has triple meaning

Flight from somewhere, taking flight, unifying as one flight

[uncut lintel]

im not stupid

wait no

let me rephrase

im not dumb

[glass flicker]

Flight to Dragon Isles, taking flight as in, flying unlocked right away, unifying as the Flight of Guardians.

Imagine.

[uncut lintel]

im hungry so let me get a flight to wendys

[deep pawn]

Yeah, I'm still thinking there's a chance we see Wyrmrest destroyed and the dragons fleeing Northrend

[uncut lintel]

the tree wasnt enough huh?

[glass flicker]

Azshara cannon misfires from Stormwind to Dragonblight.

Wait.

Dragonflight. Dragonblight.

[uncut lintel]

omg

[glass flicker]

I FUCKING SOLVED IT.

[uncut lintel]

HOLY SHIT

maybe they will add a new dalaran

[glass flicker]

Shut.

[uncut lintel]

[glass flicker]

Don't give me hope.

[uncut lintel]

[deep pawn]

The cinematic frames seem to be a dragon flying to what looks like Dalaran parked on a mountain

[glass flicker]

Alexstasza arriving in Dalaran, talking with Jaina and Khadgar and going "Shit man, Uldaz is in danger"

[uncut lintel]

im so hyped to see that cinamatic

my heart rate is gonna go so high ill need 911

joke intended

[glass flicker]

Xal'Atath CGI model owo?

[uncut lintel]

wat

who

[deep pawn]

Another comparison. It's guessed the poster leak was saturated weirdly

https://i.imgur.com/Lmd6lQg.png

[uncut lintel]

boobs

[deep pawn]

The night before isn't unusual for a logo leak

Press packs have been out all week probably

[uncut lintel]

currently im running ulduar

[glass flicker]

Show more belly, Alexstasza.

[uncut lintel]

yea

what happened to her slutmog

from cata

[glass flicker]

Not a slutmog per say, she wears leggings. Although transparent ones.

[rain cave]

wew

[uncut lintel]

no

well

[deep pawn]

she's getting ready for war, or colder stuff

[uncut lintel]

wait true but u can still see her body alot

[deep pawn]

she has fur on the shoulders

[uncut lintel]

oh shit

shes a furry hater

JK

[glass flicker]

Furry confirmed.

[uncut lintel]

a dragon is a scalie but can they be both 🤔

[glass flicker]

Wait, Foxx, you're an expert on this.

[uncut lintel]

shes a furry scalie then id say

[glass flicker]

Aren't reptiles a sub section of furry?

[uncut lintel]

das wut i said

[rain cave]

scalie

[uncut lintel]

das wut scalies r

[glass flicker]

Lmao.

[uncut lintel]

wut if i get the ulduar mount jk i wont

[glass flicker]

Memeron's head.

[uncut lintel]

u_u

[rain cave]

pocpoc's head

[uncut lintel]

digusting

[glass flicker]

Popococ.

Costcopoc.

[rain cave]

popaspot

[glass flicker]

Anything can happen in this Walmart of a world.

Of Warcraft.

[deep pawn]

https://i.imgur.com/r0nnpXa.jpeg

That looks bad haha

[glass flicker]

Ew.

[uncut lintel]

haha

[deep pawn]

this has to be fake even if it's coming

[rain cave]

where u getting these lmao

[glass flicker]

If Sylvanas put on the crown, we'd have had Wrath of the Bitch instead.

[uncut lintel]

probabl reddit

[deep pawn]

nah, people posting on mmo-c

these two came from a throwaway called hellommochamp

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/OBY1WzB3vmYN.jpg cryptic

[rain cave]

this one's fake i'm convinced

the dragon doesn't change pose between frames

[deep pawn]

it's gliding perhaps?

[rain cave]

somebody just got a cinematic looking render scene and moved a dragon in T pose

no as in

it's literally the same

[glass flicker]

A fucking dragon? T Posing? That's very gamer. Stop this menace!

[deep pawn]

"A magic wielder who uses a magic older than anything from the Well of Eternity. Something older than what current Mage classes use..."

[glass flicker]

What, the supposed Evoker class?

[ember blaze]

what yall looking at

[deep pawn]

some guy is being cryptic

it could be fake but it's hype

[rain cave]

I think fake

he's plastering his name on it

[uncut lintel]

dont get hyped if nothing official other than name is out

dis is wut happened to SL

[rain cave]

and the cinematic shots look fake

[deep pawn]

besides, the pose is different

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQq6skOXEAQG2bw?format=jpg&name=small

[glass flicker]

A new class, while sounding hype, would only complicate the game further. New specs, pls.

[uncut lintel]

the wings look terrible

like no way das real

[rain cave]

^

tho it could just be like

an inbetween frame

but yeah the dragon doesn't change pose

[deep pawn]

Everyone called Bolvar being blue fake too

[uncut lintel]

yes ofc of it flapping or something but still looks tool polygony

too

[uncut lintel]

why would tat be fake tho

[ember blaze]

🚫

[uncut lintel]

hes literally the litch king

ofc hes blue

[glass flicker]

Switches specs

[uncut lintel]

or well HE WAS THE LTICH KING

[deep pawn]

Cause before that he was only ever fire

[glass flicker]

Wait.

[uncut lintel]

ppl are just dumb

[glass flicker]

Bolvar changed specs when Frost was dual wield only!!

[rain cave]

no

[uncut lintel]

he went from afk blood dk lol to frost and lost to an elf

[rain cave]

shadowlands frost was 2h

dumb dumb

[glass flicker]

He had no access to Obliterate and Frost Strike.

[glass flicker]

End of BfA.

[rain cave]

also I can't believe that they made frost dual wield for a time

most iconic frost DK item

frostmourne

2h sword

"wdym 2h frost? doesn't exist" - legion and bfa

[glass flicker]

I mean, Arthas wields it with both hands.

As in.

[rain cave]

fuck off 🤣

[glass flicker]

Both as 1h and 2h.

[uncut lintel]

ok well im calling it a night

gonna read some fanfiction then go to bed

[glass flicker]

He has more than a few attacks where he whacks you with the sword one-handed.

[uncut lintel]

lets pray for tommorow

peace

[deep pawn]

Apparently press pack went out 3 hours ago

That means the staff knows. 😄

[ember blaze]

what's that

[deep pawn]

The media highlights so news sites can have their articles ready to go the moment NDA lifts

So digital media mostly and some summaries

Logo, stills from the cinematic, maybe a highlights panel

[subtle oar]

13 hours of leak time then

[deep pawn]

I don't envy the staff, knowing but can't talk about it

[subtle oar]

Holy shit it looks like all the Discord staf are online too

Ive seen seen so many blue names online at the same time in here

[deep pawn]

haha

they split duties on writing articles

[ember blaze]

@deep pawnwhy do they need that ahead of time though 🤔

[pulsar trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/325524159235096576/965808790630957096/unknown.png

[queen wadi]

Reminds me of PoE

[subtle oar]

Love it, but def looks like that new ||Private server||

Actually, Im almost certain it is

I think its called Ascension

[pulsar trail]

ill check it out, just found in the mmo-c thread

[subtle oar]

Its an ambitious WoW PS that is doing a massive overhaul, adding 26 new abilities to the classes, massive changes to the talents ect

Using modern Retails character models

Looks good

Another thing to point out, that is extremely old background art

That would not be used in modern Retail

So I'm pretty certain that is Private server sontent

[rain cave]

Is it ok for you to be talking about PS's if we're debunking leaks?

@subtle oar

[subtle oar]

Idk. Thats for the Mods/Staff to comment on. I think if we are debunking "leaks" it should be okay, but I'm not the Arbutter about it

[deep pawn]

crap

a clearer version of the talents

it's real isn't it

[subtle oar]

No, its not

Read up

There is no way thats real.

At least not for Retail

[deep pawn]

alpha UIs are usually underwhelming

[subtle oar]

They aren't. They have art and everything

They would never feature something with such ancient art

[deep pawn]

for an alpha background or maybe trying to evoke the old talent feel

[subtle oar]

No way.

[deep pawn]

yeah, that doesn't look anything like Ascension's stuff

[ember blaze]

and why are there repeat of the same skills

I'd rather skills not be tied to a talent tree 🤔

[deep pawn]

I'd riot if they did that

Imagine grabbing a druid healer and "Oops, I didn't pick up cleanse"

it's just not a system the game should move towards

[ember blaze]

a lot of people want that old talent tree

trees like that are fun while leveling 🤔 and only if leveling mattered

[deep pawn]

They say they want those trees and then they just follow the meta guide that is mathed out for them on wowhead or icyveins or their class discord

It is a choice that isn't really a choice

At best there'll be 2 points that are "It doesn't change anything, put it in something you want"

[ember blaze]

even on the utility row of talents, they dont always make em all equal 😂

I think with the way the talents are now, might as well just have a single target, aoe, pvp in each row 😶

[deep pawn]

also, that tree has Flourish and Convoke, things ascension does not have

THE ONLY THING that intrigues me is possibility of healers talenting into kicks

[ember blaze]

@deep pawndidnt ion or whoever hinted at convoke staying

theyve done it plenty of times already

[deep pawn]

they always said about keeping the most popular abilities

[ember blaze]

is convoke popular

[deep pawn]

was

[ember blaze]

restos still use it in raid no 🤔

[deep pawn]

only feral is still convoke I think

I think maybe

not in keys as much

that's kyrian or necro

[dense plover]

so - those 5 fields that were encrypted in 9.2.5 appear to be pointing to a new race and more customization options (just generally)

so its very likely pre-order bonus will be early race access

[subtle oar]

5 fields?

[dense plover]

1 sec

[ember blaze]

no way

[dense plover]

i mean - it doesnt mean that the "leaked" race is legit

[ember blaze]

what about class

[dense plover]

that would be its OWN db

so that wouldnt show up until it was added

[subtle oar]

I dont think it points to a new race, tbh

[dense plover]

and i dont think a new class is likely

[subtle oar]

A new class is def likely

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-sad-cry-smile-im-fine-gif-14251203

[subtle oar]

Ion hinted at such at the start of Slands

[dense plover]

they cant balance existing classes so unless we are getting massive overhauls to how classes play and such, i dont see it happening

but ill eat my words tomorrow if im wrong

less than 12 hours away

[ember blaze]

?

[subtle oar]

I def see a new class happening, less so a new race.

[ember blaze]

i dont get this argument

[dense plover]

i didnt see a new race happening either, but thats what the db fields point to currently

[deep pawn]

hmm, more burner accounts haha

[dense plover]

could be an allied race

[subtle oar]

Ion said at the start of Slands, "Something we encounter in the Shadowlands might just be a new class come the next expansion," I'm paraphrasing, but thats the jist

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember blaze]

if all classes have the same dps in all content and have the same utility

then i guess you can have your balance

[dense plover]

thats boring though

[subtle oar]

I highly doubt thats what those fields point to.

[dense plover]

its literally what those are for

in that same db it lists the current races and genders and such

its literally an existing database that got like 12k new lines in 9.2.5

and the chr customization one got like 36k new lines

[subtle oar]

I'll eat me words if need be, but I firmly believe thats not what those will point to.

[dense plover]

it could be an allied race or some kind of separation of existing race stuff

[ember blaze]

? no way he said that and it hasnt been brought up anywhere

[subtle oar]

He did.

[ember blaze]

then how will you balance?

[dense plover]

but it bare minimum points to a shit ton of new customization options

[ember blaze]

in that world, you play what you want

cause everyone does the same thing

skill diff

[ember blaze]

link source

[subtle oar]

This, I def hope for. Pandas got shafted last round. I want cultural jewelry and tattoos!

[ember blaze]

please no more allied races

i dont want customization options being marketed as races

[deep pawn]

would the database be updated before the customization artwork is added?

[dense plover]

well they split off customization options and its MUCH easier to add new ones

[dense plover]

yes

always

[subtle oar]

Allied races are much easier to add then a new base race.

[dense plover]

but the names of the fields might not point anywhere or where they point might be encrypted

[subtle oar]

It is. I want hair colour and fur colour to be seperated for Pandas!

[ember blaze]

my problem is they end up as things that should have been there for regular races

and then it's a slap in the face to all the other established races that arent another form of elf

[dense plover]

i want humans to have scars separated from faces and face shapes separated from skin color

[subtle oar]

Agreed

They proved they could do more at the launch of Slands, so there is zero reason to have those things tied together anymore

[dense plover]

they will likely be worked on whenever the art team has free time

people wont feel as bad about store mounts if theyre constantly getting new art stuff too

[subtle oar]

If the actual game content is good, the store mounts become a bothered petty grievance

And if they dont constantly just give us recolours and put all their efforts into unique mounts for the store with unique animations

[dense plover]

tbf, we got a lot of weird mounts in 9.2

[ember blaze]

i wanna collect pets, but some being locked behind paywalls puts me off from doing it 🤔

kinda sucks on a sub game

[subtle oar]

Nothing that makes up for the store

[subtle oar]

This ^

[dense plover]

snail mount

SNAIL

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

[ember blaze]

then you have things like the murloc backs

[dense plover]

wrathion rep backpack exists

also all of the covenant back pieces

every single MMO has a store with mounts and cosmetics

its inevitable

i dont like it

but it exists and isnt going away

[subtle oar]

Thats not a good thing nor should it be excused.

[dense plover]

im not

its gross

[subtle oar]

"Well they did it too" is not acceptable

[dense plover]

im just saying its not something you can criticize wow for but not other games

its an industry problem

not just a wow problem

[subtle oar]

Ooooh, I just noticed the NPCs in Solstice Village, Grizzly Hills, are using the new Worgen customizations. Nice touch.

[ember blaze]

i am not against stores if it is their main form of monetization

For shit like league, it's all cosmetic

and youre not paying a sub

[dense plover]

well its also in other sub-based MMOs

its an industry issue

[ember blaze]

have wow remove the sub at this point

specially with a store in place that prints them money

[subtle oar]

No thanks. As mildly toxic as it sounds, I dont want that barrier removed.

[dense plover]

fully agree here

if wow goes F2P its dead

[ember blaze]

and why is that

[dense plover]

the sub is the reason they have the money they have to fund the game

[ember blaze]

there is no way that's true

[subtle oar]

WoW will become as bad as ESO in terms of its store

[dense plover]

the shop is supplementary but it is not the primary source of income

[subtle oar]

That will kill the game

[ember blaze]

specially when their sub numbers have decreased

im pretty sure i remember i forgot his name reporting on their financial stuff

and how much money they make off the store

that their sub # mean nothing anymore

[ember blaze]

idk what that means

[subtle oar]

Have you seen ESO's store?

[ember blaze]

not everyone has played that

and what does that have to do with wow

[subtle oar]

^

[ember blaze]

im gonna assume their store sells you gear

[languid yoke]

the new character creation screen always looked like it was missing one AR on both sides so this could be the dragons filling that slot

[subtle oar]

It sells you straight up power.

[ember blaze]

yeah and that's them

[subtle oar]

ESO is F2P

[ember blaze]

yeah and that's them

[subtle oar]

No

Thats the direction any F2P MMO goes

[ember blaze]

League of legends

[subtle oar]

Every. Single. Time.

[ember blaze]

overwatch

[subtle oar]

LoL is not and MMO

Neither is Overwatch

[ember blaze]

that isnt the point

[subtle oar]

Overwatch is a buy to pl;ay game, nor is it an MMO

It is the point

We are talking about MMOs

Not MOBAs Or Hero Shooters

[ember blaze]

and we're talking about monetization

just because eso did it doesnt mean wow has to

[subtle oar]

MMO MONETIZATION

facepalm

[ember blaze]

just because eso did it doesnt mean wow has to

[deep pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880955379122176/965833354350063636/unknown.png

Another one

So not only is it a tree, capstones have choices

[ember blaze]

cosmetics print money, you dont have to tie power into it

[subtle oar]

ESO is literally the same direction every MMO goes.

[ember blaze]

and blizzard wouldnt do that

[dense plover]

theres a clearer screenshot out there

hold on

[deep pawn]

oh this is a third picture

[subtle oar]

XDDDD

[subtle oar]

They literally have proven you wrong already

[dense plover]

i actually think the talent thing might be legit

because concept arting something this complex is a shit ton of work for a fake leak

[subtle oar]

No shot.

[dense plover]

i think we are honestly going to be impressed tomorrow

[subtle oar]

sO IS CREATING THAT zIGGERAUT nORTHREND CINEMATIC 'LEAK' FROM EARLY sLANDS

Damn capsloc wtf

[dense plover]

i think it will be over 1 hour and i think theyll talk about systems

[subtle oar]

sorry

[dense plover]

i think that might actually be a wrath classic cinematic

and the ziggurat is naxx

[subtle oar]

Nah. Its either a fake leak or scraped with the missing part of Slands

[ember blaze]

unless it's all utility based and similar to conduits, then theres no way

[dense plover]

im certain that ziggurat was legit though

[deep pawn]

The talent trees just terrify me

[subtle oar]

I 100% doubt this is real. It cant be. They'd never give us talant trees like that without a massive slap in the face and kick in the crotch to go with it

[deep pawn]

Well the first time you get a key with a rogue who can't kick, that's your kick

[dense plover]

i think if the trees are like - from 1, and replacing old talents, it makes sense

[subtle oar]

I would love talent trees like that to be back in replacement of the current system, but Im terrified theyd tie it to a new AP grind

[dense plover]

rumors are theyre doing what they did with zereth mortis

more tied to story and time gating

[deep pawn]

If these are promotional images, the staff knows. 😄

[dense plover]

than to grinding power

[subtle oar]

LOL So your talents will be timegated with Mobile game bullshit

FUCKING KEKW

[dense plover]

no

no no

[subtle oar]

MONKAs

[dense plover]

this is separate from end game/power system

this is just tied to levels

[ancient jasper]

So a Paragon system?

[dense plover]

the end game power system is tied to story gating

[dense plover]

no, 70 levels and main tree and spec tree are earned separately

[ancient jasper]

Hm

[subtle oar]

YIKES

[dense plover]

it means that when you level you might get a point in only 1 tree, or you might get a point in both

but you dont have to choose

[subtle oar]

I dont want a new endgame power system. The only thing I should need to get more powerful at endgame is new gear

[dense plover]

well thats actually the rumor

is that the endgame system is like - utility stuff like with ZM, and gear stuff sorta like corruptions but you have more control

but thats one rumor

it could be fake

idk

my source is silent right now because NDA

but theyre excited

[subtle oar]

All these rumors are 1000% fake all the time tho.

[deep pawn]

what does your source think of the talent leaks?

[dense plover]

once they can talk (after tomorrow) ill hopefully know more

[dense plover]

they cant respond

NDA

literally cant confirm or deny anything

[subtle oar]

The only exception was the WoD leak. It was so outlandish no one took it seriously

[dense plover]

all theyve told me is they are excited for tomorrow

[subtle oar]

I dont trust it when a WoW dev is excited. Theyve been giving us shit for 5 years and been happy to do so. I want them to be begrudingly saying "I don't like it, but you guys will,"

[deep pawn]

This feels needlessly complex just for the sake of looking meaningful

[subtle oar]

I want to be seeing WoW devs seethe of Twitter, complaining that they have to give the players what they wanted and not what the Devs wanted.

[deep pawn]

oh if the system let's a dps not have a kick I will send feed back in every single path available

[dense plover]

theyre not a dev

theyre QA