#beta-ptr-spoilers

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rain cave
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and loads of scams

cunning fossil
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How? Art is literally just better and less expensive and less potentially damaging

upper pasture
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not saying NFTs are the way to go but its just literally art

rain cave
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^

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lehr's got it

uncut lintel
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no

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as an artist myself thats just fucking offensive

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"its just art" man gtfo

cunning fossil
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But it's not.

And if it was, why is this art literally just worse than other pieces I can Commission?

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And why does it cost 500K a fucking pop for an ape

rain cave
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what

upper pasture
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because art is subjective?

rain cave
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fur you're misunderstanding

uncut lintel
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watever

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idk y we are even having this convo

rain cave
cunning fossil
rain cave
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correct

cunning fossil
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Time&

upper pasture
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and? i agree

rain cave
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but when have rich people been known for their good art taste

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they'll buy anything if it makes them look richer

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the monkeys are a scam

uncut lintel
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if u support nfts u support rich ppl and their abusive powers and scammers thats just it, and we are never going to be friends, also hint, nfts are just trending but they wont trend forever, its a short term gain of money and clout, not long term, which most ppl seem to not fucking understand

upper pasture
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but people with stupid money think they're neat and they spent alot of money on it

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because "this is the only one and its mine"

uncut lintel
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500k that could of gone to ppl who needed it but instead its gone to a url link of a copy and pasted PROBABLY stolen piece of SHIT

strange falcon
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I think crypto has good applications,
I dont think anything good can come out from NFTs, they are completely unnecessary.

You really triggered foxy btw

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You gonna be stuck here for 3 hrs

rain cave
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Crypto as a concept

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is a good thing to have

uncut lintel
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there is no concept

rain cave
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there are bad cryptos

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and good cryptos

upper pasture
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oh was gonna laugh react to that but i'm blocked lol

rain cave
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oof

rain cave
cunning fossil
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What is thr concept?

uncut lintel
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its all bad now idc what concept there WAS but its gone now and no one will see it more than they see nfts are scams, and idc, idc who ith elps or who wants to scam who, nfts in general are stupid and its not the fucking future

rain cave
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but all NFT's are is buying art with crypto

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same as buying art on artstation

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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nfts were supposed to help artist in the first place to stop art being stolen, that was the concept but ppl turned it the total oposite and blew up in clout

rain cave
rain cave
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and I'm saying

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yes

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that's bad

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but it's not the concept

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it's the people exploiting it

uncut lintel
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thats not wut i meant

rain cave
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which is the people we all hate

upper pasture
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wasn't the whole point of NFTs is to get the artist paided everytime it was going to change hands?

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not just on the initial sale?

uncut lintel
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notlikecat why cant we just stick to fucking cash

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why all this nft, crypto and online money shit

rain cave
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because currencies are government controlled, and people like the idea of not having a currency rely on a government

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which is a valid thing

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that is a good cause

upper pasture
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because the whole world needs a global currency

uncut lintel
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only to have the government take over every idea sooner or later weather they like it or not

uncut lintel
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thats just confusnig

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confusing

upper pasture
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eh, i'd like to do away with losing money with conversions from one type of currency to the next but that's just me

rain cave
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NFTs are about tracking artwork ownership and payment with crypto and blockchain, these concepts are neutral

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I will say there's a lot of attention on the exploitation of it however

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primarily because it is a grey market that blew up with loads of money involved

uncut lintel
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watever

rain cave
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there is a path for good NFT usage though

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same as anything

uncut lintel
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yea its called normal commisions

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go on devientart and message someone

rain cave
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it's not a commision

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it's purchasing a finished piece

uncut lintel
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so is a commision

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wtf

rain cave
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no there's a difference

uncut lintel
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u can commision aka pay an artist for a sketch or a finished piece

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yes there is

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wtf r u sayin rn

strange falcon
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You're never going to be able to explain it to her, both in good and bad faith, trust me

upper pasture
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^

uncut lintel
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there is no good faith in someone who supports nfts

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so wutever

rain cave
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because if I commission you, you haven't done it yet

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but if I purchase a finished piece

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it's already done

uncut lintel
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thats y u pay half now and half later for example

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so like a art shop?

rain cave
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there is still a difference, it's like being payed over time or in one lump sum

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yes

uncut lintel
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which also exist

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without nfts

rain cave
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correct

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so do game shops

uncut lintel
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maybe u can just do that instead of supporting nfts

rain cave
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you can buy physical games

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or digital games

cunning fossil
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What is the point of NFTs if Art can do everything it does

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But better

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Literally I'm being serious

rain cave
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because NFT's are just another form of selling art

cunning fossil
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What is the concept of NFTs

uncut lintel
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bcuz nfts are "new" and its trending due to scaming and ppl are literally getting rich from it for doing nothing

cunning fossil
upper pasture
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it's pretty much art by another name is all

rain cave
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not really

strange falcon
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Why is WAI back, did he not get enough outrage

rain cave
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you can get cheap NFT's that are actually better I'd say

uncut lintel
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cheap like 100k

rain cave
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clean NFT's for like $5

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that are unique pieces

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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there are no clean nfts

rain cave
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by nice youtubers

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proof?

upper pasture
uncut lintel
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if u want proof just google it im playing wow

cunning fossil
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Bro just commission then straight up

rain cave
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there's nothing stopping an NFT from being clean

cunning fossil
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Give the artist actual money they can buy groceries with lmao

uncut lintel
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why dont ppl wanna commisions artist like ur willingly letting ppl go homeless by supporting nfts

rain cave
cunning fossil
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Also hyper fixation

rain cave
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NFT artists chose to get into crypto :p

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and they can convert the crypto to real cash

uncut lintel
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yea and they have a choice to not to bcuz they have opinions

rain cave
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like I'm not advocating for anything here I'm just laying things out

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as they are

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nothing is inherently evil

uncut lintel
strange falcon
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How does that work

uncut lintel
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but i wont get into that

rain cave
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it's bad to steal

uncut lintel
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deez nutz

rain cave
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that's not unique to NFTs

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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(srry had to)

rain cave
rain cave
uncut lintel
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idc

rain cave
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unless you're just admitting you're a psychopath

uncut lintel
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nah

cunning fossil
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Depends on who you analyze. I like to be positive

uncut lintel
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but i just hate te human race

cunning fossil
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But some peoole

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Some people are

Like my big boy Bobby

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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bobby kodick?

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]

cunning fossil
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Lmaooooookkiiiiiii

rain cave
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I'd say just stop getting so riled up about it, I agree NFT's are kinda stupid how they've been done however they have good applications same as anything

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for example, an artist in a country such as china who wants to do their work without the autocratic government getting involved

cunning fossil
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I will try to. But honestly I believe there are better ways to make universal currency

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Like

rain cave
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by holding their wealth in crypto

cunning fossil
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WAY better ways lmao

rain cave
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chinese people do this all the time with other things as well

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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i just dont want that shitty crap in video games

rain cave
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@strange falcon my point exactly

uncut lintel
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just dont put it in video games

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please im begging people

rain cave
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same

uncut lintel
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im on my fucking knees

rain cave
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the way it would be brought in to games would be bad

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imo

strange falcon
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I mean, if you support NFTs, game companies will take it as consent to make all games for the next 5 years, NFT games

uncut lintel
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i have first hand seen a game and company lose hundreds of supporters and their own company already in debt DYING by transfering into nft community for video games

uncut lintel
rain cave
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that being said

upper pasture
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hasn't pretty much every times it's been announced for games its been a 180 right after they said they want to do it

rain cave
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the closest thing to NFT's in games was CSGO knives

uncut lintel
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this shit wont be trending for 5 yrs

rain cave
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and those were fine

uncut lintel
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i kno that fur sure

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u can get more money from tik tok

rain cave
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but I just know that actual NFT's would be like

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aids

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in things like WoW

strange falcon
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Ubisoft still holding to the nft train with their quartz shit

uncut lintel
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wow is aids

cunning fossil
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Fucking

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Lmao

uncut lintel
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delete game

rain cave
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the wings are NFTs 😆

uncut lintel
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i go to my art files delete any art i did

upper pasture
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special limited one only dragon wings

cunning fossil
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Oh my god

upper pasture
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unique to your character

uncut lintel
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and they act like a mount

strange falcon
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Funniest shit ever

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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Kek

uncut lintel
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wow

cunning fossil
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LMAO

uncut lintel
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i cat

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wtf dafire

upper pasture
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i'd be pretty upset

uncut lintel
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that funny as hell

rain cave
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the ethereum ethereals

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new trader faction in WoW

uncut lintel
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limited time cat mount if u buy this overly expensive nft cat meme

rain cave
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class skins with unique colours, effects and such as NFTs

upper pasture
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random fur color

uncut lintel
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getting the color u hate the most

upper pasture
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but don't worry you can list it on the NFTAH and get gold to buy someone elses NFTMOUNT

rain cave
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but yeah fur, I agree that things get exploited. It's the same as lootboxes

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big companies tend to exploit and do the worst

uncut lintel
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an nft black market

rain cave
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however, valve did loot boxes well

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other companies ruined it

strange falcon
upper pasture
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lol

uncut lintel
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imagine if nft decides wut race/class combo u play

rain cave
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NFT player housing

cunning fossil
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Lmao oh gof

cunning fossil
rain cave
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HAHAH

upper pasture
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naw, NFTs wouldn't dictate gameplay come on

uncut lintel
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u gotta pay nft fee everytime u enter ur own house due to prices raising or lowering

rain cave
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Non-Fungible Trinkets

uncut lintel
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and if anyone bids on ur house u lose it if they bid enough

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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u gotta own atleast one nft to buy new wow expansion

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theres no more crafting anymore

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its all nfts

cunning fossil
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Lmao

rain cave
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special club that NFT holders can get in to

cunning fossil
uncut lintel
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the brawlers nft club

rain cave
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LOL

uncut lintel
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im done

strange falcon
rain cave
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you get a special hearthstone

uncut lintel
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🤔

rain cave
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gallywix is the one in charge of the NFT systems

mossy meteor
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Game devs doing NFTs

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What a shocking surprise

uncut lintel
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LUL they bring gallywix back as major character just for nft

mossy meteor
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💤

rain cave
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I'm doing game dev at uni and if you mention crypto you get dog piled

uncut lintel
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no one wants this shit in games and its been proven so much LUL

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yet companies still do it

mossy meteor
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It's a survey

rain cave
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devs don't like NFT's mostly

mossy meteor
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It might not happen

uncut lintel
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survey or not it can be worrysome

mossy meteor
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But if there's pressure from the top

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Then uh

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Also, big daddy Microsoft is also interested in "metaverse"

uncut lintel
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metaverse is cringe

rain cave
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Grand Marshall Chief

mossy meteor
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So Microsoft won't save you either

uncut lintel
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im not asking to save me im asking to save our games

cunning fossil
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It doesn't stop that frok.being cringe as fuck

rain cave
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can't wait for heroes of the storm 2

cunning fossil
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Also Metaverse WoW is literally just wow

uncut lintel
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imagine in 20 yrs u cant even play a video game LUL bcuz ur not old enough to own metaverse or nft wallet OMEGALUL

cunning fossil
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Or if you wanna stretch, WoW in VR

rain cave
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with master chief and banjo kazooie vs the dragon born and thrall

cunning fossil
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Die like Vol'jin to a stabwound

uncut lintel
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wow ok

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too far whereami

mossy meteor
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NFTs/metaverse aren't going away sadly

cunning fossil
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Feel it all with REAL nerve sensors

strange falcon
mossy meteor
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Sooner or later everyone's gonna have their form

rain cave
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VR chat is a fucking crazy place

uncut lintel
cunning fossil
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And every single one with fail

rain cave
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like holy shit people take it way too seriously

cunning fossil
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VR chat is fucking funny though I gotta say

mossy meteor
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I don't give a fuck if they fail or not tbh

uncut lintel
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vrchat looks fun untill u realize even if u tried u dont kno how to have a real conversation

mossy meteor
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It doesn't affect me

uncut lintel
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then leave

rain cave
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people genuinely go on VR chat to hang out as a "perfect" ideal version of themselves

mossy meteor
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You leave

rain cave
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instead of going outside and touching grass

uncut lintel
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tho some vrchat videos ive seen are ppl being assholes

rain cave
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and they get mad if you copy their avatar

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I find that hilarious

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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i should leave

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Prayge bye all

mossy meteor
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Hey I mean

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I'll gladly pay for a good product

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Wowhead is a good product

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Has great people working on it

uncut lintel
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meh i mean its ok but i still prefer pizza

mossy meteor
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Might as well support them

uncut lintel
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pizza is a GREAT product

mossy meteor
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It's like 8 bucks every 6 months

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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oof too expensiev for me

mossy meteor
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Yet you play wow

uncut lintel
mossy meteor
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Anyway

uncut lintel
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anyway

cunning fossil
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Kek

uncut lintel
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im hungry

mossy meteor
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Even the supposedly better mmo developer, square enix is doing NFTs/metaverse bullshit

uncut lintel
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OMEGALUL no way

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i havent seen any topics on square enix tho

mossy meteor
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Not directly involving ff14

uncut lintel
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ye i get wut u mean

mossy meteor
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But the corporate suits are interested in it

uncut lintel
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well they shouldnt be

mossy meteor
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Because it's a buzzword and it has money

uncut lintel
mossy meteor
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More money, more yachts

uncut lintel
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buzzword

mossy meteor
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Or whatever they like

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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whoa whatis this

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a new gif

mossy meteor
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If you were in their position, do you buy more yachts or what

rough tundra
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Asmon sells nft of his main

uncut lintel
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@strange falcon dafire hating on anything ff14 gif

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where is i

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t

mossy meteor
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Oh hello Yit

rough tundra
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Hello

uncut lintel
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consoles*

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yit wut movie is ur pfp from

rough tundra
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Adventures in yitworld

uncut lintel
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ok

cunning fossil
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PFDT

uncut lintel
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it reminds me of old animations from early 2000s on utube like potato knishes and shit

rough tundra
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It's just a thing i did

mossy meteor
rough tundra
uncut lintel
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ykno its been quiet in the house for hours now and this is not normal, where tf is everyone

mossy meteor
uncut lintel
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no

rough tundra
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I've been looking at this server for about a week now and it's been pretty quiet the whole time. Kind of weird.

uncut lintel
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welcome newcomer

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it is not weird for the server to be fully dead unless a patch release, a tuesday, unscheduled maintnence, or a xpac release

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i am gladto inform you sometimes, they do not matter though, like earlier today

rough tundra
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Oh I've been in the server for a while, I've just been actively looking at it recently

mossy meteor
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Yit we miss you

uncut lintel
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ive never met u in my life

mossy meteor
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I met yit in the metaverse

uncut lintel
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oh god

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so ur--from the future

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please dear future god

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tell us

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how is wow doign in ur timeline

rough tundra
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30 million subs all the time

uncut lintel
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GASP no way

rough tundra
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Nude mogs

uncut lintel
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now that surely would get subs up tho ur not wrong LUL

rough tundra
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They brought arthas back as a himbo

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12.2 patch i think

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That's what sylv's been doing in the maw

cunning fossil
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Arthas Humbo?

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🥵

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Purge me Daddy

uncut lintel
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I want Sylvanas to "banish" me

rough tundra
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Maldraxxus is an undead dragon

uncut lintel
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maybe its undead galakrond

rough tundra
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Dun dun DUUUUNNNN

uncut lintel
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oh no my addon is doing it again

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for some reason on bartender on druid forms, if i put a spell on bar 9, it goes to bar 1 notlikecat and if i remove it from one it removes it from the other

cunning fossil
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Oof

uncut lintel
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i fixed it long time ago but now its back shit man i dont wanna have to keep redoing my UI everytime one bar messes up

subtle oar
cunning fossil
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Shush Skye oml

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I' only horny for

deep pawn
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Earthwarder tank, Chronomancer healer, Lifebinder ranged dps, Spell Breaker melee dps. I still don't know what to do with green

young latch
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Green is always healer

ember blaze
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lifebinder does not sound like a dps class

trail knot
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who care about lore i think jailer was cool just make gameplay good ok

deep pawn
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What's more lifebinding than burning it away. 😄

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Red Dragons don't only heal, they burn away the rot

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If Red was a healer, I suppose green could be a Poison ranged. I just don't want blue to be a generic ice/arcane caster cause that's just mage

ember blaze
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isnt blue dragons just arcane mages

rain cave
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yeah but blue not purple ^

deep pawn
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Blue's domain is "magic" they're masters of Arcane and favor ice magic too

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Their haughtiness regarding that role lead them to near extinction.

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They had a lot of Mage-Hunters though which could be repurposed into something else.

ember blaze
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what type of magic do bronze do? isnt arcane = time magic as well?

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if blues are masters of arcane, can they control time as well? 🤔

deep pawn
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Mages seem to have some time spells, but it's not a domain of the blue arcane magic

rain cave
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blue dragonflight were in charge of leylines specifically weren't they? as well as the proliferation of magic on azeroth overall

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they were even in charge of managing fel and other stuff if it came up, they just didn't use it themselves

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bronze are in charge of keeping the primary timeline, and whilst that's linked to arcane magic it's also gotten connections to light as well I'd say

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but they're both magical

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same how green and red are both life oriented it seems

uncut lintel
trail knot
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no arcane is not time magic, its bronze magic

deep pawn
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Green is specifically the Emerald Dream and as we've learned the cycle of life

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Red is about new life and purifying "bad"

subtle oar
cunning fossil
ember blaze
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If arcane is not time magic then what magic was that one raid boss in legion using?

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aren't they arcane addicted mages in there

rain cave
deep pawn
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We don't know what gave Nightborne so much time magic powers

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We don't see it with other Highborne.

rain cave
deep pawn
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ah, right

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Forgot about that

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There we go, they were using Aman'thul powers and he's big daddy time.

rain cave
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yup

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and amanthul isn't the head of arcane

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that's norgannon isn't it?

deep pawn
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Norgannon, the Titan lore keeper and master magician, made the blue dragon Malygos the guardian of magic and hidden arcanum.

rain cave
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ye

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so that to me inplies that because time magic is distinct

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it's more tied to other forces

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it's not just "arcane"

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the only other time magic we see is the infinite one

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which is dark, and about many paths like the void

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so to me, rule of duality implies that the bronze dragonfight, and their type of primary timeline speciality of time is a connection to the light

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similar colours, obsession with one true reality

deep pawn
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Time could be pure ORDER. Where as Void is purer shadow?

rain cave
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eh, I think arcane is orders more fundamental force

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they describe it like that themselves

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which is also weird because there's a lot of plotlines around arcane being volatile...

deep pawn
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well many things that are orderly explode when touched wrong

rain cave
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true

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but yeah the true opposite to void is light

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and if the infinites are the polar opposites to the bronze

ember blaze
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could amanthul see into the future? 🤔

rain cave
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not very well with only one eye! haha

ember blaze
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how did he lose his eye?

rain cave
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I'm joking

ember blaze
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im not too familiar with his lore

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so im just wondering

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if he can see everything, could he see sargeras betrayal and all that stuff? 🤔

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unless that's not something he can do

rain cave
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even if he could, he wouldn't share it

ember blaze
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why?

rain cave
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because that would ruin the surprise

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and also fuck up the timeline

ember blaze
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so he doesnt mess with things on purpose then

rain cave
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there is some form of future scrying in order though

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he might even be the one to make the maw walker prophecy :p

ember blaze
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i feel like if you can foresee so much and are gonna do something to stop it once it happens anyways, why not before 🤔

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sorry for my dumb questions

rain cave
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well if his ordered view of time is the "one timeline"

ember blaze
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my knowledge is pretty much what blizzard throws on your face

rain cave
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what order wants

ember blaze
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with cinematics and voice acting

rain cave
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it's not actually true scrying

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he only sees an ordered timeline

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but chaos is chaos

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and void is infinite

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there's actually an interesting point in the new fantastic beasts movie about this

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the only way to win against somebody who can see the future and what you plan

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is to not have a plan

deep pawn
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I think Amanthul knows all outcomes and maybe a few key moments like Nozdormu's death. Seems like time only finalizes as it happens

rain cave
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or have a bunch of independent plans going off at the same time

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like potentially he can see things that might happen

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but if you completely mask HOW it will happen in complete chaos

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and infinite variability

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there's no way to know

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delaying fate often hastens it as well

deep pawn
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He could maybe see branches close as choices get made.

rain cave
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the titans aren't omniscient or omnipotent keep in mind

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they're very strong but not gods

deep pawn
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So he knows probabilities

rain cave
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yeah

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he can probably predict objective things

ember blaze
rain cave
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but living beings are unpredictable, they cause the timeline splits

rain cave
deep pawn
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It's unknown if they're on the level of the eternals and elune get. I think since they exist in reality there's a true order pantheon above them.

ember blaze
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idk what youre referencing murloc

rain cave
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clock maker was a thing somebody mentioned in an interview

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as like

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above the people governing the titans

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or somemthing

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but I'm pretty sure the clockmaker is meant to just literally be the devs at that point

deep pawn
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Clockmaker could be a first one who is attuned most to order

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I still think the first ones are the order pantheon

rain cave
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that could work

deep pawn
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Even if that makes order stronger than death

rain cave
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however I'm still vouching for the idea of the first ones being split into 2 factions

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order, death, light

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and chaos, life and void

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and those are the two proper pantheons above everything else

deep pawn
#

I still think if it's anything it's order/light and chaos/void and the conflict creates the other two as side effects

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Void corrupted orders creations and from that arose life.

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When life dies then it created death

thorn topaz
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so announcment of dragonflight is april 19 when do you guys think the expansion will actually release?

cunning fossil
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At the earliest

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But honestly I think Summer 2023 would be the latest as well

thorn topaz
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😦

cunning fossil
#

So basically that time frame

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Yeah I know it sucks

copper isle
#

So wait is it actually confirmed if the next expansion will be about dragons and such?

thorn topaz
#

apparently

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with all the leaks

copper isle
#

That'll be cool

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Is it gonna be another regress of the system?

thorn topaz
#

if u mean covenents then ye according to leaks

copper isle
#

Thank god

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I think they should go all in for the dragon-theme with the new expansion

#

Dragon theme abilities for the new race if that's a thing, Dragon themed events, etc

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basically, dragons.

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I hope they give more lore on Deathwing though, I don't want him to be the main focus again but atleast make him a big deal since he was the antagonist of Cataclysm

sullen dawn
#

2 days until tinker 😄

rain cave
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2 days till new race + class skins

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with some class skins early access with preorder perhaps?

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maybe race too ;p

rain cave
#

I'm becoming my skeptical of the dragonflight 'leaked' artwork

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since I've just looked up some official sylvanas bfa art

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and there's some parts that look quite similar

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just mirrored

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I could definetly see it being a photoshoped version using this as a base

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as the left side and boob line up almost 1;1

unknown.png
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though that could just be blizzard sexy body style

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since the armour is also similar in what they did to sylvanas

rough tundra
#

They don't have the same degree of turn, head or shoulder placement, arm angle, leg position

rain cave
#

whilst true, I'm moreso saying this was used as a base and heavily edited over that

rough tundra
#

It could still just be someone's good fake art, but it would take a ton of work to just shop one to the other

rain cave
#

I'd say it would be less work than creating the art from scratch

rough tundra
#

3/4 torso turn is common

rain cave
#

could also be a large amalgam of things

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from WoW art

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as a base

rough tundra
#

There's no need to copy, there isn't any reference for that alex pose/clothing. Talented artists exist

rain cave
#

yeah but I can imagine somebody who's very good at photoshop creating this than a good artist doing this just to troll

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photoshop hoax trolling is more common than an artist just going out of their way to make a high effort piece just to troll

rough tundra
#

Remember the SL leaks? People will put on a ton of effort to just troll

rain cave
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which one

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this pose also looks similar

unknown.png
rough tundra
#

Yeah like i said 3/4 poses are common

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That's just how you draw figures

sullen dawn
#

Have so many toons the customization would keep me busy for a while

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I'm like 30% hopeful of tinkers. 90% hopeful of class skins

deep pawn
#

The L matched the new logo

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Its likely right

sullen dawn
#

Yeh that is almost guaranteed

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It's just text leaks that are hard to judge

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Well 1 or 2, most are trash

rain cave
#

did I miss somethin

sullen dawn
#

He means the new font for 'World'

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It's on the announcement page and matches to dragonflight poster leak

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So it's like 99.99% real

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Although it doesnt tell us much more than the javascript leak told us

rain cave
#

new font?

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do we reckon that's just a stylistic choice for these couple things or is it like just a new direction entirely

sullen dawn
#

Yes wow has new logo

rain cave
#

they're changing presentation of the game

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the dragonflight logo in the poster looks nothing like the older expansion logos either

#

it's way more out there and different

sullen dawn
#

The theme has always varied but the core text has been the same

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I believe this is first change there since.....vanilla?

rain cave
#

yeah but the frame was also different

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every xpac

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but only slightly

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whereas the one in the dragonflight poster is very different

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since it's not longer a frame it looks like

sullen dawn
#

Theres defo a mini rebrand going on

rain cave
#

yeah

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it looks more like a patch name logo

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than the xpac logo

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so interesting

sullen dawn
#

Hah

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Remember once they wanted to do yearly expansions

rain cave
#

death

sullen dawn
#

Lol

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If they developed constistenly as they did during legion it could have been nearly possible. But I've no faith in their current workflows to do year 1 xp per year

rain cave
#

that image of the class skinning system being in the collection tab and you literally just equip different colours was cool

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like verdant lightning, gold lightning for shamans

sullen dawn
#

Nah

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That seemed boring

rain cave
#

it's what I want

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out of it

sullen dawn
#

I'd rather they give full reskins

rain cave
#

well yeah but they can just add those there

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but it also means the smaller customizations don't get thrown by the wayside

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i'd love to have blue fire mage for example

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or frostfire

sullen dawn
#

I mean both would be fine. But I'd rather change my warlock officially into a necromancer than give him blue spells

rain cave
#

or gold lightning for shaman

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yeah but that can also exist

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like you could equip the necromancer summons

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instead of demons

sullen dawn
#

True I'm not sure theyd allow mix ans match like that

rain cave
#

equip a high res old style chaos bolt as well while you r at it

sullen dawn
#

Otherwise you could have a warlock use fel fire and summon undead

rain cave
#

I mean that would be fine to me

sullen dawn
#

And then it's kind of weird what class they are

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Ruins class fantasy imo

rain cave
#

fel can do undead tho

sullen dawn
#

But I get its personal pref

rain cave
#

when the dreadlords worked for the legion

sullen dawn
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Just an example. You know what I mean. The lines could get muddied quickly

rain cave
#

they did a lot of that

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I don't think there would be too much to muddy

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since each customization would either be a small reflavour colour wise, or be something that makes sense in the classes fantasy

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like ofc if you give frost mage red fiery abilities that won't work

sullen dawn
#

Some proposals for class skins were very different to core class

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Like dragon instead of druid

rain cave
#

yeah but that's still just changing the forms I imagine

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which you can already do

sullen dawn
#

It's the lore/theme aspect I have issue with not the mechanica

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I prefer hard lines around the classes. Class skins to me are a way of adding new classes without doing new mechanics for them

rain cave
#

I'd say there's justifications for all the ones I think of

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like even felfrost exists in game

sullen dawn
#

I think what you're talking about should stay with glyphs

rain cave
#

they need to revamp the glyphs system then

ember blaze
sullen dawn
#

Agree

ember blaze
#

greetings fellow tobi/y 👋

sullen dawn
#

Yoooo

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I'm always finding fellow Toby's on discord lol. One time it got out of hand on a xboz server and everyone renamed themselves to toby. Mods had to shut it down :p

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Then when they forced everyone to rename themselves back, they wouldnt believe that was my name 🤣

rain cave
#

"Mods! they're renaming themselves! they can't do that! Shut it down!"

uncut lintel
#

toby from thomas the train show

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o-o

sullen dawn
cunning fossil
#

We're close ro the reveal boys

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How y'all feeling?

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Got your Hopium tanks full yeah?

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If not, I can offer a refill

uncut lintel
#

lol no

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im expecting it to be shit

upper pasture
#

expect nothing be happy with what you get

cunning fossil
#

That's not exactly how it works

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I'll just expect better

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And that's it

upper pasture
#

can't be disappointed if you expect nothing

cunning fossil
#

Not even player housing or whatever

cunning fossil
#

You will be disappointed some how

upper pasture
#

but you're not disappointed by your own self created hype

uncut lintel
#

we all just know its gonna be the same shit

cunning fossil
#

It's not like I'm thinking it's revolutionary lol

uncut lintel
#

they introduce xpac, pre parch, join or help this, systems are scuffed and overly timegated, its not gonna be alt friendly, its gonna be shit untill the end of the xpac LUL

cunning fossil
#

But I am just hoping for better.

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Lol fair enough tbh

sullen dawn
upper pasture
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that's fine

sullen dawn
#

It's like someone people dont want then to try

upper pasture
#

i want them to try but i don't want to hear the masses crying when they don't announce tinker class

uncut lintel
#

people all over r getting hopes up over a class and race that wont ever be implemented

sullen dawn
#

I would love a tinker. But if what they give is better than recent years I will still be happy

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What j wont be happy with is more of the same

uncut lintel
#

we are not getting anything we are ask for

rain cave
#

I don't really care much for tinker unless it's extremely modular

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like it has to wow me

sullen dawn
#

I dont care if its things on my wishlist. I just want them to not produce crap

rain cave
#

that being said I'd prefer they just expand engineering again

cunning fossil
#

It's fine to expect better

rain cave
#

and not make classes harder to balance going forward by adding another

cunning fossil
#

But probably not the best is what I'm going into Tuesday with

sullen dawn
cunning fossil
#

I'm not overhyped myself I'm not even pre-ordering lol

#

Like if it doesn't look good in the Alph/beta, I won't preorder

sullen dawn
#

I expect better. Doesnt mean they'll deliver. Hence why most people are nervous

rain cave
#

if we have to craft legendaries again, revamp professions and also add legendary crafting to engineering

cunning fossil
#

Right.

upper pasture
#

lol bro its a game either you're excited to play it and you do it or you're not excited and you don't play it

sullen dawn
#

How can I be excited?

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I dont even know what's in it

uncut lintel
#

as long as the graphics and art keep getting better its fine but if they implement another SHITTY FUCKING LEGENDARY SYSTEM THAT U HAEV TO PAY FOR GOLD I WILL BE SO PISSED LIKE IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO GET THAT SHIT, U GIVE IT TO US FOR FREE OR U DONT IMPLEMENT IT AT ALL, NOT ALL OF US WANNA BUY UR SHITTY WOW TOKES

cunning fossil
#

The thing is they kinda HAVE to do better.

They can't strike out three times in a row

rain cave
#

3rd times the charm

uncut lintel
#

FUCKING IDIOTS MAKING LEGENDARY GEAR BE OVER 1 MIL GOLD

#

FUCKK!

sullen dawn
#

Wow is a game? I didnt know that thank you

uncut lintel
#

im not mad

cunning fossil
#

Yeah the leggos this expac were pretty

#

Fucked

rain cave
#

even if legeendaries are tied to professions I don't want them to be economy driven

uncut lintel
#

just another excuse for penny cash grab TOKENS

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and u cant deny it

cunning fossil
#

I wanna allay cool shit but not have to fork over so much money for ut eheh

cunning fossil
#

But then the economy came into play

rain cave
#

bro I can't compete with professions

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I tried hard

cunning fossil
#

Like making profs relevant is an objectively good thing

sullen dawn
#

Just buy a token

rain cave
#

but got outcompeted by bots and druids

uncut lintel
#

not everyone has 20 bucks to spend on a token

sullen dawn
#

It's like 90 mins work on min wage

uncut lintel
rain cave
#

I'm at uni

sullen dawn
#

I worked at uni

rain cave
#

like I can buy a WoW token

#

but I choose not to

#

because gold isn't meant to be player power

#

gold is a currency for other shit

sullen dawn
#

I do agree there

#

Just saying it's not much money

rain cave
#

meh to me it is

uncut lintel
sullen dawn
#

I do agree that a better area to have the player economy stuff would be worn a potential housing system

rain cave
#

I see the wow token as expensive primarily because you get fuck all in return

sullen dawn
#

Rather than player power items

rain cave
#

you only get what

sullen dawn
#

It does feel bad needing so much gold per toon

rain cave
#

150k?

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depending onthe day

#

and how am I meant to get gold without professions of my own

upper pasture
#

i mean at its high didn't it reach like 700k?

rain cave
#

no single toon can do everything they need for a legendary

sullen dawn
#

It was around 230 when I bough a few in bfa

rain cave
#

which admittedly was in legion

#

but I didn't think there had been any gold inflation since legion

upper pasture
#

yeah but in like legion is was super high was it not?

rain cave
#

depends on your server

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and time

upper pasture
#

isn't it priced of region?

rain cave
#

server and demand

sullen dawn
#

Would people be mad if economy drove housing items up? In a player housing scenario

rain cave
#

I think

sullen dawn
#

Curious to know

#

I feel like there should be big things for professions to work towards, just cosmetic or utility only

rain cave
#

also reign in advantage

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like I wanted to do alchemy in BfA

#

on my mage

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but it felt like shit because other characters just had so much advantage over me

#

druids gathering in flying form

#

instance fuckery

#

having to level the gathering up, get more efficient recipes and shit

#

by the time I was up and running I was already a bunch of gold down

nocturne totem
cunning fossil
#

Huffing on the good shit today a y

#

Strong

deep pawn
#

they were still cool

#

I don't think I ever finished one but they looked neat

#

tokens are somewhat low right now

#

Not WoD low, but yeah

#

November of last year was the highest point

#

Not sure why it jumped to 231k in NA but it did

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

that's why i dumped all my gold into tokens before the reveal lol

deep pawn
#

eh, it's honestly less labor for me to buy the game than it is to farm the gold

#

I'm a poor boy, only a mere million

#

oh no, we just hit the 7 year anniversary of tokens being a thing

#

How the hell has it been 7 years

strange falcon
deep pawn
#

TBC everyone knows is old. Tokens feel recent still

strange falcon
#

Legion came out 6 years ago

ember blaze
#

im a legion baby

plain violet
#

Soon, sooon..

#

So eager to see what it will be.

cunning fossil
#

Same here

cunning fossil
strange falcon
uncut lintel
#

@strange falcon hi meme

subtle oar
#

at this point

cosmic beacon
#

damn im not a meme

uncut lintel
#

LIFE IS A MEME, LIFE IS A MEME, BUM BUM BUM DA

subtle oar
#

xD

uncut lintel
#

i look at ur pfp everyday and im not happy looking at it im gonna redraw that shit later

subtle oar
#

D:

#

You dont like the drawing you did? :<

uncut lintel
#

no

#

becuz i can do better

subtle oar
#

Sadge

uncut lintel
#

i also forgot alot of things in that one

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but i was too tired so i was like FUCK

subtle oar
#

xp

uncut lintel
#

@subtle oar i wish i knew how to draw anduin x wrathion

#

they are so cut etogether

#

fav wow ship

#

blizz needs to stop being straight and just go all ham out and be gay

#

make them a couple

subtle oar
uncut lintel
#

idk how

rain cave
#

since we don't really deal with relationships in the main story

#

remember thralls wife?

#

lol

uncut lintel
#

i want a story that has a relationship

rain cave
#

I mean turalyon and alleria exist

uncut lintel
#

no

rain cave
#

they're the closest we've gotten I suppose

uncut lintel
#

i hate turalyon

rain cave
#

why

#

lmao

uncut lintel
#

hes an ass

rain cave
#

so is illidan

uncut lintel
#

yea but hes cool

#

turalayn is just another palliden

sullen dawn
#

Hes a space paladin

#

Power ranger

rain cave
#

yeah but he has a sword I can't wait to tmog when I loot it

uncut lintel
#

controlled and brain washed by the light

rain cave
#

I actually think we're being jebaited

uncut lintel
#

what

rain cave
#

with turalyon

uncut lintel
#

with what

rain cave
#

him going crusader

uncut lintel
#

he stole anduins throne

rain cave
#

he was trusted with it

#

in his stead

uncut lintel
#

no

rain cave
#

yes

uncut lintel
#

anduin trusted greymane

rain cave
#

yes, but also said that should he be gone turalyon acts as regent lord

uncut lintel
rain cave
#

If I remember correctly that was anduins decision

#

I think there's a decent chance they'll build it up like he might betray

#

but he won't in the end

#

he's from the alliance, he won't betray his roots even if he gets overzealous I reckon

uncut lintel
#

well i dont think hes gonna betray

#

but the light shit is like brain washing

rain cave
#

I mean

#

it's self brain washing

uncut lintel
#

thats bad

#

dont do drugs they told us

rain cave
#

🤷‍♂️

#

his strength with the light is based on him thinking he's in the right, and we already know that he doesn't see the light as THE good force

#

he knows other forces can do good, and things he thought were heretical/ abominable aren't bad

#

alleria using the void, Calia menethil existing as an undead

#

Illidan

#

I reckon there's going to be the pivot they teased in legion going forward of relying less on cosmic beings

#

since the only one who can save us is ourselves, according to illidan

deep pawn
#

his first reaction when Xe'ra got blasted was to try and kill Illidan

#

That said, as a being of Light she's alive in the realm of Light haha

#

What if Yrel is a big revenge plot for her

ember blaze
#

the drunk and the rogue dude

uncut lintel
#

OH YEA

#

thats hot

rain cave
ember blaze
#

@uncut linteltheres also the 2 furries

#

that big deer guy

#

qadarin

deep pawn
#

Shaw will likely be involved in any Alliance plots in 10.0

rain cave
rain cave
#

will kultiras even be remembered

#

I want to see what happens with taelia and flynn

uncut lintel
#

im a person who ships alot of couples

rain cave
#

why

uncut lintel
#

but rarely any in wow that i like

rain cave
#

lmao

uncut lintel
#

becuz i enjoy it and like making cool scenarios in my head OMEGALUL

rain cave
#

like forgive me but

ember blaze
rain cave
#

to me shipping just seems

uncut lintel
rain cave
#

exceedingly cringe

uncut lintel
#

only for ppl who dont get it

#

like u

rain cave
#

you probably write fanfics 🤷‍♂️

uncut lintel
#

i been thinking abt it

#

but i kno i have 0 patience

rain cave
#

yeah obsessive personality

uncut lintel
#

hmm well im obsessed over spicy foods and video games and cartoons

rain cave
#

it's just media

#

don't give it such power over you

uncut lintel
#

?

#

wut r u talking abt

deep pawn
#

We literally went to Kul Tiras in Tazavesh

#

they haven't forgotten it

ember blaze
#

@rain cave? lol

uncut lintel
#

what power do u get for liking a 2 ppl together in a relationship

deep pawn
#

And we did Mechagon too

uncut lintel
#

mostly ppl that r not real

#

wtf

rain cave
#

I'm just saying it sounds like you obsess over things that aren't real

deep pawn
#

It's not as if they've forgotten BfA zones

uncut lintel
#

yea so wut

rain cave
#

kinda cringe

#

imo

uncut lintel
#

things that are not real are so much better than my current actual fucked up stupid life

ember blaze
rain cave
#

🤷‍♂️

uncut lintel
#

OMEGALUL now i might write fanfic then

deep pawn
#

while I'm not positive Flynn will show up in Dragon Isles, I can't imagine he's far from Shaw at the moment

uncut lintel
#

when in bfa i played alliance thing for mount i liked flynn

#

one of my fav chars

nocturne totem
#

My hope for next expansion is that they remove race/class restrictions.

#

Never will happen though.

uncut lintel
nocturne totem
#

Undead Paladin 🙌

rain cave
#

I think more race class combos will be allowed though

nocturne totem
#

Light be damned

rain cave
#

I could actually see undead paladin tbf

uncut lintel
#

fuck

#

still no paragon mount

rain cave
#

I can see velf paladin

uncut lintel
#

time to run more toons through tw

rain cave
#

I can also see draenei warlock

uncut lintel
#

wait fuck let me feed my lizard first

nocturne totem
#

We were order hall leaders. We are saviors of Azeroth. We should be whatever race/class we want.

deep pawn
#

Watch them introduce lightbound undead and THAT's the only undead paladins

rain cave
#

nelf paladins are kind of assured to me

#

so I'm thinking they'll try to do a contrary to that on horde as well

#

like adding shamans to a new race or something idk

nocturne totem
#

My hope is Undead or Nightborne Paladin. I would pay Blizz money very quickly to switch.

rain cave
#

blood elf shaman kek

#

literal wind runner

uncut lintel
#

ok back

deep pawn
#

A second shield user for Nightborne would be lovely

uncut lintel
#

i want undead druid, vulpera druid, lfd monk, worgen monk

subtle oar
#

LIKE PANDA FUCKIN DRUIDS!

uncut lintel
#

panda druids fit lore?

indigo kiln
#

Id love panda Druids tbh

uncut lintel
#

imagine just pvp feral druid as a red panda

cunning fossil
#

Panda druids make sense

#

It's easy

subtle oar
uncut lintel
#

wheres dragon form for druid

cunning fossil
#

Time to look like xuen

uncut lintel
#

well ;sni

#

u cant unless ur a chad wh played legion

#

i wanted year of the tiger mount to be more xuen like

#

but no we got water bcuz its also year of the water

#

im getting offtopic

subtle oar
#

I wanted more gold-like

uncut lintel
#

panda druid would be cool tho like u can be a tiny cute noodler for flight form

uncut lintel
subtle oar
#

God I want that...

uncut lintel
nocturne totem
uncut lintel
#

the lore is so scuffed that it doesnt even matter

#

but blizzard thinks palyers having power even by 1% and options that they want is bad

#

so we aint getting shit

nocturne totem
#

Lore is just "your character wanted to be a Druid"

uncut lintel
#

yea

nocturne totem
#

Boom

#

Done

#

Your character went and trained and wanted to serve the light as a Paladon

uncut lintel
#

yes

#

i wanted lfd monks

#

but nooo

nocturne totem
#

LFD came to Azeroth and saw the Monks.

#

Wanted to be a Monk

#

Boom

#

Done

subtle oar
uncut lintel
#

yes

subtle oar
#

No. There needs to be a lore reason. It makes zero sense to ever let normal humans become druids

nocturne totem
#

They can make something up

uncut lintel
#

they made up whole sl so sure

nocturne totem
#

Humans could easily be Drust druids

gusty jetty
#

I mean, they are drust druids. Kul Tirans and Humans aren't separate races, despite what Blizzard wants you to believe 😛

nocturne totem
#

Ding ding ding

gusty jetty
#

Also, Humans likely would have had ample opportunity lore-wise to learn Druidic magic during the First and Second war due to how closely Humans and Night Elves were societally. We also see a number of human druids in the Cenarion Circle, as well as in DEHTA

uncut lintel
#

🤔

gusty jetty
#

Besides, Worgen can be druids for literally that exact same reason, who are really just Gilnean humans

uncut lintel
#

i dont personally like humans due to them being so boring looking and who wants to play a human in fantasy game but u do have a point

gusty jetty
#

In fact, the only Humans can for some reason can't seem to be druids are... Humans

uncut lintel
#

blizzard GASP

subtle oar
uncut lintel
#

ew