beta-ptr-spoilers

[cunning fossil]

Would be fucking nice

Too late. We're always one step ahead

B-But Wkye.

Micro classes??? All kind of random?
And if it is right that means that PLAYER HOUSING is correct

And as MUCH as I want that

[rain cave]

if galakrond becomes a plotpoint I can for sure see them copying gw2 and having a zone after we beat him literally be his corpse

[cunning fossil]

Lioe

It's just too good to be true

[cunning fossil]

To be fair, he is as large as a zone. Could be nice

[rain cave]

oh god imagine if the galakrond being revived by the azerite beam is actually what happens

and we have to beat him to get azeroths essence back

or some shit

[subtle oar]

The name, the Dalaran Textures, being the only leak with the name too

Some of that leak might be real

[rain cave]

microclasses are the thing that seem off

especially since one of them isn't really WoW's fantasy, as well as having its own custom weapons

[subtle oar]

I really want thos proffessions >~>

[cunning fossil]

Fair enough but like.

It's scary to think there would be plenty of fan service.

Also yeah micro classes feel off

[cunning fossil]

YHAT I can agree with

[rain cave]

it could be that the micro classes are actualyl like

thing you CAN spec into

for anyone

[cunning fossil]

I wanna customize my house so bad

[rain cave]

engineering is a profession

[subtle oar]

FUCKING RIGHT?!

[rain cave]

maybe anyone can become a tinker

that's what that mean by micro classes

is they're like things you add on later

instead of locking a character into it

[subtle oar]

I think the Micro class things are something you can use to augment your current class

[cunning fossil]

That would be

Cool but also

The parsers will mald their heads off

[rain cave]

nah I mean like

you can be a warrior and go

[cunning fossil]

Warrior Tinker let's fucking Go

[rain cave]

"I want to be a tinker"

and switch to tinker

instead of warrior

[cunning fossil]

Oh

[rain cave]

because it's a microclass

[cunning fossil]

Hmmm

[subtle oar]

I imagine these micro classes to be Roles not unique classes. Ones a tank, ones a dps, ones a healer ones a support

[rain cave]

alternatively if we are just doing subclasses

[cunning fossil]

Idk it just sounds like FF15s class switching system with extra steps

[rain cave]

2/3 talent trees per class for subclass utility would be fun

[subtle oar]

Survival Hunter/Tank Micro Class combo

[cunning fossil]

BARD SUPPORT???

[subtle oar]

x3

[rain cave]

I've always loved the idea of having subclasses extrapolate some of the class themes beyond just specs

like warriors getting commander and having buffed shouts

[subtle oar]

WoW is overdue for something that is purely based around supporting the team

[rain cave]

or blade master and replacing things with haste buffs and mobility

fire damage

or if you're a DK

focusing on necromancer, domination, or runeblades

like outside of frost, unholy, blood, you could also select to have extra runes or somesuch

[subtle oar]

I imagine the limitations would be you can not stack roles. So if you're a DPS Spec/Class, you can not use the DPS Micro class

[rain cave]

that would be nice

yeah

incentivize everyone to do their part

[cunning fossil]

Would be interesting

And provide flavor

[subtle oar]

Yup

[rain cave]

even if doing so does provide dps as in

if you're a DPS

and get a heal proc

you use it

and get buffed

[subtle oar]

And, give us Panda Heritage w/Heritage weapons

uwu

[rain cave]

so you can do more damage

or tanking a hit for the tank with a feature

[cunning fossil]

UGH we should stop hyping ourselves up

It's too good to be true

[subtle oar]

BUT I WANT PANDA STUFF AND PLAYER HOUSING!

[cunning fossil]

I refuse to be scorched again

[subtle oar]

[rain cave]

I mean

they've had a lot of time

[cunning fossil]

ME TOO BUT LIKE

We all know blixz at this point

[rain cave]

legion had unique quests for every class and spec, whole power progressions for each spec

[subtle oar]

bIG TRUE

[rain cave]

and that was off of another 2 patch xpac that they pruned

[subtle oar]

Which is why I will not be pre-ordering like I did before.

They have to earn my money this time

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I won't ve pre ordering off the bat

[subtle oar]

❤️

[cunning fossil]

Wanna make sure I'm settled in first and that the new expansion is not ass.

[subtle oar]

Wai got the big smarts! :D!

[cunning fossil]

Like I wanna love the game but they gotta show me first that they love it too

It's not a huge deal. It just makes sense

I only pre ordered SL because

We

Well it was actually promising

[subtle oar]

God I really need my Bai Feng name back >~>

[rain cave]

"preorder now for early access to player housing, class skins, and early access to the dragonkin race"

[cunning fossil]

Don't do that to me God damn it

[subtle oar]

Yup.

[rain cave]

[subtle oar]

Everything about Slands prior to launch had it being the 2.0 we needed

God that shit had me so mad 1 month in

[soft flower]

I just want a new class or races

[subtle oar]

Player Housing has such a good chance of being a massive part of the game if they just fucking do it

[cunning fossil]

Yup

But their 🍝 code

[rain cave]

both is most likely to me

[subtle oar]

Wai, remember when they added the Pet battle system and went back thru all the raids and dungeons in the game to add pets to the loot tables?

[rain cave]

slands had neither

are we going to call people who starting playing in shadow lands, slanders?

[subtle oar]

IMAGINE IF THEY DID THAT FOR FURNITURE THEMED AROUND THE RAIDS/XPACS OF THE TIME

[soft flower]

Honestly I just want another mmo where you can fly seamlessly throughout the world like you can in wow no loading screens

I miss that adventure feeling of exploring azeroth

[subtle oar]

I WANT PANDA FURNITURE FOR MY HOUSE!

I WANT A PANDA HOUSE IN PANDARIA!

[soft flower]

How they gonna make panda mutilation lore friendly. Lmao

[subtle oar]

If they gave me this, I would legit buy a 6 month sub again just to live in my house

[subtle oar]

~> Imma bap you

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[subtle oar]

@cunning fossil

[cunning fossil]

I'd prefer a new class and/or more ways to progress out current classes.

Oh and horizontal progression

[subtle oar]

I def want so much fucking horizontal progresson this xpac

[cunning fossil]

I joined the game only when PB were already in the game

Since like

[subtle oar]

Ah

[cunning fossil]

I am a Legion Baby essentially

[subtle oar]

In MoP they completely revamped pets in the game. When they did, they went back thru all the previous content in the game and added new pets to the loot tables of old content for you to farm for

[rain cave]

Laby

[subtle oar]

That would be amazing if they did the same for Player housing with decor and furniture

[cunning fossil]

Interesting. That would be so so cool

I personally want some engi stuff

Dude this might make me actually care about my characters more

If I had a house, I would probably go to the RP realms and actually level them

Cuz omg

[subtle oar]

I def want those proffs in that leak tho >~>

Would be sooo fucking cool

[cunning fossil]

What's even cooler.

Is that it means that the entire world of Azerith might be relevant. So that you can get different furniture colors

Want white wood tables? Head to Winterspring

[subtle oar]

Right?!

[cunning fossil]

Maybe fel corrupted wood? Felwood

[deep pawn]

I'd sacrifice an ardenweald raid for housing

[subtle oar]

You know I would spend all my time in Pandaria getting stuff to make my perfect Panda house

[rain cave]

engineering lets you make profession factory components

imagine

in your house

you just have a thing that does some passive mining

or herb gathering

that engineers have to make

[cunning fossil]

Personally not a fan of that. Since they did that in WoD with garrisons and it made it so that those professions were semi worthless

I get you thoughh

I would love to make gadgets for people's houses

Also

[rain cave]

in WoD it was more like everyone got it by stock

[cunning fossil]

I'D HAVE A STABLE INCOME

[rain cave]

tru

roomba

xd

[cunning fossil]

Lmao that'd b e cute

Y'all getting me too hype

[soft flower]

Thing with classes is it makes it harder to balance I think class skins is more likely

[strange falcon]

"Teaching dragons how to do it" the expansion,
Im sure meme maker and nsfw artists wont run with that idea

[strange falcon]

Dont worry, even if they do make player housing, it will be half functioning, barebones and tied to player power, like their first attempt garrisons.

[rain cave]

oh no

chromie

[strange falcon]

Plenty of games you can do that in mate

[cunning fossil]

The entire point of player housing is to not toe it to player power.

I'm a pessimist but I don't think they'll miss the mark so bad

Daf, you don't have to tell me the lows

I know the lows

[strange falcon]

You lock an entire character into it, and get gimped by being locked to 1 spec only

[strange falcon]

*14,but yes you would be right

[strange falcon]

The inevitable result of that is that they take just 1 in raids for the buffs, and the class is dead on arrival because metaslave mentality of the majority of the community

[strange falcon]

You definitely should, if you overdose so hard on hopium even if the expac in a future that doesnt exist, is a 10/10 you'd still be disappointed

[strange falcon]

Funfact: you will, many times

[strange falcon]

👀

[rain cave]

Player Housing trophy slots: 3/3
-Tooth of Galakrond: Chance to deal cosmic damage in an area, heal for a portion of the damage
-Scale of the Infinite: Chance on hit to gain a haste buff
-Shard of Icecrown: Gain a Mastery buff that flows up and down from 10% to 20% over time

@cunning fossil

[strange falcon]

I think you may find that their definition of love and yours differ

[cunning fossil]

Now if this were like Essences in BFA.

sign me the heck up

Because Essences were legitimately cool

[strange falcon]

You forgot the part where the only progression allowed is the 3 pillars, and everything must bend to that

[strange falcon]

No wonder you have so much hopium left

[cunning fossil]

Daf, We're allowed to hope the game gets better.

We're not slaves to it and can acknowledge the flaws without being shills

[strange falcon]

Garrisons had that, and it made the world dead because no one went out to farm shit

[strange falcon]

You are hyping yourself

[strange falcon]

Remember Murphys law "it can always get worse"

[rain cave]

nope not the same

[strange falcon]

Just making sure you dont forget

[rain cave]

garrisons just had it baseline, and everyone had the same garrison

(by en large)

[cunning fossil]

True

[rain cave]

if engineers have to make it, they sell them

[cunning fossil]

Now If they had like

A garden

[rain cave]

which requires resources

[cunning fossil]

Like the pandaria garden

That's be neat

[rain cave]

so people still have to go out to get some resources

not everything can be mined at home

but like the normal resources yes

you gotta earn it, and it won't carry you

just give some QoL

[cunning fossil]

@subtle oar hopefully pandering garden comes back

Would love that

[subtle oar]

YES!

[strange falcon]

They were, and if they were in from the start instead of azerite armor, BFA might not have had such a bad reputation, but they still had their gaping issues that were resolved only when the patch was ending,

And guess what? They still threw it in the trash after the expac like all their systems good and not good

[subtle oar]

OMG I LOVED THE FARM

[strange falcon]

we're not slaves to it
You may not be, but i personally know a bunch of people that are, and there's thousands of them

[cunning fossil]

Praying.

[strange falcon]

You mean bots overflow the market?
And the issue still remains

[cunning fossil]

True. But hopefully whatever they add in next is not as shitty as Azerite.

Also they tried to make Azerite gated which was dumb

If Azerite gear was not timegated via AP and you could a little more liberally with the pieces

It actually could have been as interesting as tier

Since it'd allow for many different play atyles

Like I said before. I had a shitty flurry build that would let me get a comet whenever I cast flurry

Which, IMO, was cool as fuck

[strange falcon]

You mean "everyone picks the same 4 traits like it actually happened when bfa was current?"

[cunning fossil]

No. Cuz I didn't.

And of course that'll happen. It will never not happen. New talents, Borrowed Power, Gear it does not matter

[strange falcon]

Right, your flurry comment, let me change "everyone" to "99% of players"

[cunning fossil]

You will ALWAYS have people chasing meta

Which is not I herently wrong

But making other builds viable would make the game feel so much less stale

[strange falcon]

True, the problem is when the devs make the game to encourage the meta, and specifically tune the content for higher play

[strange falcon]

If what people have been saying since WoD is true,(and im not saying it is, but its likely) that they fired the majority of their class balance/design team after MOP(and thats why they turned to borrowed power)
This wont happen

[cunning fossil]

Gonna still hope anyways eheh

Not blinded

But I'm cautiously optimistic

[strange falcon]

Time will reveal all truths

[deep pawn]

I'll settle for guild housing if not player

[cunning fossil]

Also obligatory

[strange falcon]

👍

[cunning fossil]

It's a meme in and of itself Daf. You gotta accept that

[cunning fossil]

That would be even cooler tbh

[deep pawn]

Story theme itself intrigues me, but I'm not hyped until I see systems and power acquisition

[cunning fossil]

IRL fairy tail

[uncut lintel]

the gif is the best

[cunning fossil]

Says the creator of the gif. I'm sure there's no bias what's so ever

:P

[strange falcon]

Your gifpostinf doesnt stop me, but its nice that i am semi famous to have gifs made about me

[deep pawn]

Shadowlands had promise and we know how that worked

[strange falcon]

She's not the creator either

[cunning fossil]

Oh really

Who was it :0

[strange falcon]

Other server

[cunning fossil]

Yeah true.

Oh lmao

[uncut lintel]

what i didnt create it

the only thing i create are my profile pictures, otherwise i steal gifs and memes and emojis

[cunning fossil]

I didn't realize. Is my bad

:P

[uncut lintel]

[cunning fossil]

Oh lmao

[deep pawn]

If they do a ton of work with non raid content, deterministically earning big power like tier, and add a variety of new specs I'll be happy

[cunning fossil]

Can agree

[deep pawn]

I think I almost prefer 4 single spec classes than one 3-4 spec class.

That plus class skins would be amazing variety

But those sound outlandish

[strange falcon]

You know they'll put class skins on the cash shop after the first 4

[deep pawn]

I'd be a warden dh so fast

[uncut lintel]

cool ez rewards

[rain cave]

it sounds cool but isn't it weird?

wardens hiring DH's

their former prisoners

and would BE wardens be spellbreakers?

[deep pawn]

no weirder than a dragon shaman

I mean if it's a full class reskin but same abilities it makes sense

Biggest stretch would be meta

[rain cave]

Yeah but they also have to explain how you become it

From your base class

My guess for a DH would be cleansing yourself in a well of elune/ sunwell

Meta becoming a night warrior esque power up for nelf

Reskin it as a night warrior warden

Like tyrande became

With her glaives

https://c.tenor.com/XjjpS5G59g8AAAAM/tyrande-whisperwind-druid.gif

[deep pawn]

yeah, they said holy magic in the "leak" but I'd lean more towards arcane/elune

I'd play "Moon devastation" over "Fel Devastation"

hmm, they fixed the file, too late haha

oh, neat, MrGM pointed to textures in 9.2.5 that look a lot like Alex's new armor in the artwork

[rain cave]

I think that the holy is for belf

if it's true

with sunwell

[deep pawn]

oh, true

So BE get "spellbreaker" and NE get "warden"

I can dig it

[dense plover]

not technically wow related but sorta tangential

you know how the certs for dragonflight.blizzard.com were registered?

they registered those on the 29th, but they registered this new one on april 1st

chances are we might be getting something new in the starcraft universe soon

actually dates back a bit further

but it doesnt point anywhere

so it is of some significance

[deep pawn]

Oh I cannot read that on mobile, what is it

[upper pasture]

Koprulu

[deep pawn]

Neat

So they're real trying to set things up well for post merger

If they do d4, 10.0, and a StarCraft game in 2023 that'll look good.

We may only see ow2 and wrath classic this year

[cunning fossil]

OW2 in 2022?

Is that for real

[deep pawn]

Seems most likely based on beta starting any time.

And OWL being on it.

[cunning fossil]

Oh fair

I forgot about the announcement

There's only rhe closed alpha for now

[rain cave]

I think it's just the multilayer for ow2 though

Not the full game

[mossy meteor]

^

frankly they should've killed OW2 and just added a single player mode to OW1

and the MP features

but it is what it is

[rain cave]

I think OW2 is understandable, since it lets them reset the live service somewhat

since OW1 was dying

they can try fix those problems and bring back old players with OW2

that's the optimist view

[strange falcon]

Im not an overwatch player or very informed in that field, but from what i see people saying, the super content drought has killed the game more than it was dying before the OW2 announcement

[cunning fossil]

OW1 was not dying

Only when they shifted ALL their work to overwatch two and provided no content to OW1

That's when the game began to dwindle

[strange falcon]

See, i have no idea about OW stuff, but i do know that they started making heroes that were purely a counter for a previous meta and it wasnt sustainable

[cunning fossil]

Not exactly. It depended sometimes.

Brig is an example of this. Which is why she was overturned on launch

I don't remember any other examples to be honest

Perhaps Ana? But at the same time, she can fit in almost any comp

[rain cave]

I dislike how they started limiting picks in OW

the issue from what I've seen is that blizz want to pidgeon hole people into a specific game style

instead of letting people fuck up

"We have no supports" says the community, blizz forces people to pick a support

instead of just saying to the community

"then pick support"

other hero games get along fine

[cunning fossil]

Ehat other games do you mean?

[rain cave]

dota

[strange falcon]

i would say dota is a moba, not a hero game, different genre

[subtle oar]

^

OW is a hero shooter

[rain cave]

and hero shooters are inspired by MOBAs

they have similar structures

the gameplay is just different

[cunning fossil]

Very different

Moba relies on abilities

OW relies on Abilities as WELL as traditional accuracy

[rain cave]

that's

not what I mean

I mean as in having bespoke heroes with roles that players must pick and use together towards an objective

the thing I am talking about in this context is how, overwatch feels a need to funnel people by force into roles

whereas MOBA's just let the community fend for themselves like it should

because at the end of the day, if nobody picks support. That's a player problem.

or if everyone's picking tank, that's a balance problem

and instead of nerfing or fixing it

they just slap a bandaid and remove it from the game

lazy design imho

[deep pawn]

The only games I think that are close to OW are TF2 and Valorant?

I think structuring group set ups is a possible solution. Put a framework in that people follow

I mean WoW is clearly designed to have 1 tank in dungeons and 2 in raids.

[rain cave]

yeah but nothing stops you from NOT doing that

is my point

if you want to run 3 tanks in a raid

or 1

if you're farming

there is a balanced for setup, sure

there is an intended way to play

but don't limit people to it

[deep pawn]

It's only done AFTER you've largely done it the right way or are in "casual" situations

[rain cave]

because then if people start running 5 tanks in raids you know something's gone terribly wrong lmao

[deep pawn]

If we had a situation where guilds were running 6-10 tank specs in a raid I honestly think it's a toss up between capping tanks allowed or hard nerfing the tanks.

They don't want to preclude themselves from a 3 or 4 tank mythic fight though

[deep pawn]

ooo, looks like Mr. GM found a new hippocampus mount that was an unused model before now

[cunning fossil]

Woah really? Link plss

[deep pawn]

he didn't tweet it, hmm

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1511014726570057738

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

The Heartbond Lupine Mount (and the PVP versions) have a new flying animation with a new glittering trail behind it coming in Patch 9.2.5! ✨

▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 4, 2022, 4:15 PM

this though is there

and people thought they wouldn't steal from ff14

[rain cave]

you mean hippopotamus ?

[deep pawn]

no, hippocampus like the crimson seastallion

[rain cave]

isn't hippocampus a part of the brain

[rain cave]

wew

[deep pawn]

https://warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=1154

that's the model he was on on the ptr

[rain cave]

pretty

[cosmic beacon]

its also apart of the brain

but ye

its proof we have seahorses in our heads

[deep pawn]

but if wolves can fly, I hope it's start on letting EVERYTHING fly

we live in a world of magic

oh, they fly now?

[young latch]

Can seahorses fly now?

[deep pawn]

only in Nazjatar with the right item

hmm, can't tell if he was on the silver version or Fabious

it's something new? It looks too light to be Fabious but it has the green fins

So heartbond flies now but it uses a swimming animation. Maybe it was unintended but 9.2.5 is adding a proper animation

If that thing can fly, others need to

[young latch]

I have fabius

It was kind of an insane mount hunt experience

Where i read a whole book while hunting for this elusive seahorse

[deep pawn]

So heartbond does fly now. Could have been a bug they're making legit, but if they can let wolves fly anything can

[vernal juniper]

guys do you remember what was available with preorders in the previous expansions?

except the free boost

[glass flicker]

Some mounts.

And some toys in Shadowlands.

[vernal juniper]

demon hunter was preorder or prepatch?

[glass flicker]

They're still on the store, from Legion up.

It was prepatch, IIRC.

[vernal juniper]

oh was early access

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/19950406/world-of-warcraft-legion™-now-available-for-pre-purchase

Pre-purchasing Legion will also grant early access to the Demon Hunter prior to the expansion’s release.* During the pre-launch early-access period, players will be able to complete the Demon Hunter’s unique starting experience, achieve level 100, and take on high-level Warlords of Draenor content—leaving them fully prepared to join their allies on the Broken Isles the moment the expansion launches. Further details on the Demon Hunter upcoming early-access period, including the timing and duration, will be announced at a later date.

[glass flicker]

Oh, so basically pre-order.

[vernal juniper]

Expecting the same thing now, ofcourse not class playable right not but.... maybe with 9.2.5? 9.2.7?

[glass flicker]

A class is a big enough feature to announce with an expansion, not with a small patch.

DKs were announced with Wrath, Monks were announced with MoP, DH were announced with Legion.

So if we are to see a new class, it'd be in 10.0

[vernal juniper]

well if they followed the pattern the new class was expected for 9.0 since we got in 3.0 5.0 7.0

[glass flicker]

Well, Legion did more than add a new class.

It also changed how most classes play.

[vernal juniper]

Or maybe they just delayed for adding more features possible for 10.0 and thats make sense

[glass flicker]

And changed Combat Rogue into Outlaw.

We got a really good deal in Legion.

[vernal juniper]

not the same thing

a new class is hype for eveyone, classes changes are hype only for who play that class

[glass flicker]

And who will play the new class and make it their main? Less than 10% of WoW's playerbase.

Monks are the least played class. DH aren't even in top 5.

[vernal juniper]

every one who prepurchased if the do like legion 😄

yeah I'm not saying, everyone will play it when they will release it but if they do like legion, almost everyone who prepurchase it will try the class in the prepatch

aka adding game time to their numbers 😄

[glass flicker]

You may have liked them on release, but not now.

[vernal juniper]

yeah ofcourse and it is normal

since older players can't really change their old main

[glass flicker]

A new class will do nothing but add more balance changes to keep track of, and new abilities and rotations to learn.

If you want that, just reroll something you've never played.

[vernal juniper]

btw what I said makes a lot of sense to me. they probably skipped the new class on 9.0 just for delaying it to 10.0. Otherwise they were unable to add another class after adding it to 9.0. the 10 MUST create a huge hype.

[glass flicker]

What would the new class even be?

[vernal juniper]

Could be one of the know 4

[upper pasture]

Clearly the tinkerer man 😂

[vernal juniper]

thinker - they just April fooled

Dragon related - Expansion leak

Dark Ranged - Taliesin & Evitel, HINTS we got so far

Necromancer - Cause we got hints in the past

should be one of these 4

[glass flicker]

Tinkerers would be an extension of engineering, possibly through creating back pieces with cool effects.

Dark Rangers are just hunters with purple and black spell effects.

Necromancers won't be a thing.

[vernal juniper]

If you look at Taliesin & Evitel he explains very well why it is probable.

Dark ranged can also be a hybrid rogue hunter, Imho

[glass flicker]

I would gladly have a rogue in mail, but it's unlikely.

Hell, bard is a more probable class.

[vernal juniper]

So in the end the probable is Dark Ranged, but I hope a Dragon related class, something new.

Since you know

[glass flicker]

If a dragon related class would be added, specs wouldn't work.

You can't just change which type of draconic magic to use.

[vernal juniper]

3.0 Scoruge Dk 5.0 Pandaland PANDA 7.0 Legion DH 10.0 Dragonfligh DRAGON CLASS

this should be the pattern

[glass flicker]

And if dragons are indeed the new rage, they'd probably be an allied race.

[vernal juniper]

it make more sence over a random Thinker, with not a thinker expantion

mah they can create whatever they want 😄

[glass flicker]

No, no they can't.

[vernal juniper]

spec 1 Ysera power, healer

spec 2 alextraza power, dps

etc

[glass flicker]

That's not how it works.

You can't just change which type of draconic magic to use whenever you want.

[vernal juniper]

well

if they give you an artifact weapon for example or a legendary item...

[glass flicker]

For a single class?

[vernal juniper]

yeah

It is time to have a class again with all specs

[glass flicker]

That'd be leaving every other race and class in the game left out.

It does not work.

[vernal juniper]

Hero class at start are always overpowered 😄

DK was op af, Monk was op af, Dh was op af

The new class if they will create it and probably they will. it will be op af

for 1st tier

[glass flicker]

But not by giving them a legendary item that no other class has.

You would be forced to play it.

[vernal juniper]

Why not?

can be even a socket, whatever

any item can do the job

[glass flicker]

No. Listen, every class in WoW (except for shamans apparently) have to be balanced the same way.

[vernal juniper]

not really

[glass flicker]

Giving one class a legendary item increases their power exponentially.

Just look how hunters perform before and after getting Rae'Shalare.

[vernal juniper]

we got a tons of legendaries only avaiable to some classes in the past

[glass flicker]

And you want this dragon class to have it from the start?

[vernal juniper]

And I'm not saying they will create a legendary item.

I'm just saying how they can create something to use the aspects of the dragons

[upper pasture]

I think they mean it as a means to explain why they can wield different magic rather than an actual legendary item

[vernal juniper]

They can create even a new item, never seen before that you just need to have in bags

even a legendary bag xD

[glass flicker]

I'm fairly sure you're trolling.

[vernal juniper]

Nope.

You are trying to say that they can need to do something for the dragon class to be able to change spec. And I told you they can create whatever they want to justify it.

And I give you some examples.

[glass flicker]

Bad examples.

[vernal juniper]

We got class related legendaries in the past, legendaries sockets.

for example.

They can create whatever they want achievable with quests in the game.

[glass flicker]

Want my take on it? Dragonflights are covenants, and you get dragon themed abilities, glyphs and cosmetics for your spec.

[vernal juniper]

Could be.

[glass flicker]

It's simpler and using existing systems.

[vernal juniper]

For me it is more probable a Dragon class, since it will create more hype for sure and the new class always follow the theme of the new expantion

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon

[upper pasture]

Yup, I’d be surprised if this isn’t what we get. Not saying that’s all we’re getting but I think they will give us the dragonflights as covenants for 10.0

[strange falcon]

Cant wait to farm anima aspect power again! /s

[glass flicker]

Dafire connecting the current subject to WoW bad like.

[plain violet]

Tiring...

[glass flicker]

But I also agree with Dafire.

Whatever grindy system Blizz adds, the resource will be named AP.

Artifact Power
Azerite Power
Anima Power
Aspect Power
Anime Power
Avocado Power

[upper pasture]

Had that convo with friends last night 😂

[rain cave]

@vernal juniper if they're adding class skins in 10.0 and/or a new race I expect those to be part of the prepurch benefits

just like allied races in bfa preorder

[strange falcon]

Many know the gif, but not many know its antithesis, created by someone different than the gif
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/645738078920507395/943180270142652487/2rsdll.jpg

[cunning fossil]

Ehhhhhhhhh

No we don't hate you

[strange falcon]

The "hate" was part of the original image, and they were too lazy to change it, just roll with it

[rain cave]

I mean, you're a necessary force I suppose

even if I'm more optimistic

it's always good to have a skeptic in the room

regardless of topic

so keep doing u

[strange falcon]

Without people like me, this would likely turn into an echo chamber,
This is why we have a purebred wow shill in another server to keep it balanced

[rain cave]

yep

echo chambers are awful

I've been in other WoW youtuber discords where it's turned into a pretty big circle jerk echo chamber

and if you go slightly against the grain they just boot you out

like whilst I still watch some content occasionally, I've come to realize that pyromancer is a bit of a nutcase and not always in a good way

through interacting with his server

[strange falcon]

I had this discussion a few days ago in another server, where it seems that wow players are becoming a cult.
The cult of overwhelming positivity,
"If you're not with us, you're against us" and all that

[rain cave]

I got banned from there after one of the moderators in acco's server badmouthed me to him

because I got banned from acco's server after giving a contrasting opinion to one of his admins

and they cited the "no arguing with admins" rule

which is hilarious to me

[strange falcon]

Pyromancer was veeerry volatile when he played wow, as far as i know, he calmed down a whole ton since he's been playing <the other game>

[rain cave]

acco's turned into a clickbait youtuber as of late

which is disappointing

in regards to his server though he's said basically word for word that he doesn't want to manage it and hates dealing with things like that as an admin so he trusts his admins/mods to do it for him

so his server is just people who went straight for an admin role in a youtuber server running it

which tend to be power hungry crazies who simp for him

very crinch

[strange falcon]

Hm, understandable to an extent,
His main content was speculation,
And he can't speculate about something he hasn't finished(outside of comments/thoughts during the stream like preach) so he got to make money to sustain the youtube business somehow

[rain cave]

I mean I respect the youtube hustle even if I don't like it as content to watch

but also it's moreso the outrage videos

like even though I'm not a fan of christie golden, I've heard the actual story of the sylvanas novel is nice to have even if people would prefer it in-game

but acco's got a video that's like

"the SYLVANAS novel is TERRIBLE! Blizzard BUTCHERS Warcraft story!"

or some shit

and whilst sure shadowlands at large has been a bit

butchered

Sylvanas has felt decent if you take the whole story in account

at least to me

idk

[cunning fossil]

I don't think that's the case man.

We're all pretty critical of the game.

How can you say we're not Daf????

Like c'mon

Every other day there is something to complain about.

Almost anyways

[strange falcon]

Why are you talking to yourself

👀

[cunning fossil]

I linked you dumb dummmm

[plain violet]

This server is nothing like a positive echochamber, yes, we do not have to worry about that.

[cunning fossil]

The idea that this server is not an echo chamber

Could be an echo chamber within itself

It's paradoxical

I kid

[plain violet]

Chamberception.

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[young latch]

Most people who comment on wow subjects are negative, even when it's about something minor.

Mostly I just get politely confused about people who hate the game wanting to waste their time on a game they do not like when they are very clearly not playing wow and do not have an interest in the game at all.

Like every other game community i've seen or been in does not really give "the game sux" attention but with wow players it's super common for people to go "haha we know wow does suck!"

and I'm like

"wow definitely has a lot of problems but if i did not want to keep playing it I wouldn't be here and no other community just normalizes this mode of communication; circular dumping on the game while being in the game's spaces"

it reminds me of league of legends players who hate the game while playing but then say they are having fun once the match is over??? xD

[mossy meteor]

but anima was purely cosmetics

and it was 'grindy' for maybe a few months until they hotfixed changes

afterwards people had so much anima they had to remove the cap

[cunning fossil]

Yeah

[cunning fossil]

Yup pretty much

[cunning fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-gif-21550111

"FIX THE GAME! I'M ADDICTED. SO I CAN'T QUIT"

Literally all wow players

Including me

[strange falcon]

Yeah, i was about to go on a long psychology analysis with evidence over the years, but yeah, take it from the horse's mouth

[strange falcon]

Hey,being self aware is the first step

Now take the 2nd the 3rd and so on

[cunning fossil]

Of?

Also that quote is from tyler

About league

Which I thought was hilarious

[strange falcon]

I mean, it fits so well that without the gif i could have thought you were serious

[young latch]

wow is one of the weird games for me where i think i talk about or think about wow and its world than actually play the game; and most of the game is used for transmogging fun

i get more active into playing the game at the beginning of expansions when there's good quest stories to dive into

and when more of my friends are playing actively as well; i usually do m+ with them

[cunning fossil]

Yep

[young latch]

wow is like... anti addictive to me

it gets mad at me for playing and time gates me

hard to get addicted to something that discourages being in the actual game when dailies are done

xD

[strange falcon]

Nah, thats not the part that's addicting, i have a clip for this, one sec

Here you go https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxl9hrdxHpTyG5AotkpEfJNNAJjrDHNILz @young latch

Anyone thinking they dont have actual psychologists at tripleA companies, devising how to mentally manipulate people into either spending more(in terms of lootboxes and the like) or similar things,
I dont know where you been the last 10years bruh

[young latch]

well i think the difference is like... "do you do this because it's a habit" or "do you do this because it's required for you to get a certain thing."

because I often forget to do my dailies

and i rarely have an incentive to do them unless i know there's a goal in mind for one

[strange falcon]

Well, be glad to be in the minority of the remaining wow playerbase

[young latch]

if dumb dailies are the only thing that will let me get a butterfly backpack then fine, i will do the dumb dailies

but i never do the korthia dailies b/c i don't have a thing i want from them

[young latch]

executive dysfunction is a superpower i guess for not getting addicted to mmos

[cunning fossil]

I don't even play everyday myself

The only reason I've been logging in recently is hype

And I want to try other classes

And maybe level my alts

[young latch]

my number one incentives for doing raids are:
are the transgmogs pretty and is the raid fun

this new raid is fun but the transmogs are uggo and i will never wear them

so i have very little incentive to try very hard to do hard raiding content and this won't

i think raids with transmogs i wanted succeeded at getting me addicted more than lame dailies

[rain cave]

whilst true, the only game that's actually managed to get me to spend a lot on microtransactions is dota 2

so those psychologists aren't doing a very good job from my pov

[strange falcon]

By the law of averages and probability, they are

[rain cave]

yes but I don't care about the law of averages

I want products to be good enough to the point where I will debate actually spending money on them

because a market full of garbage is just boring

even if I don't spend the money, if I want to, that's a different thing entirely

like I've never been tempted to buy a WoW token even though I'm one of the poorest people in my WoW friend group lmao (ingame)

[strange falcon]

Then dont expect anything good from triple A companies outside of maybe 1 decent game a year,
Indie games is where you want to look

[rain cave]

yeah but indie games aren't that great on average either

not to me

there's only a handful of indies worth my time over the last decade

the main thing is value to me

Doom 2016 is a good game, but too short for its price point

Hyper Light Drifter is a phenomenal game and is priced appropriately

they are both 8 hour games

[strange falcon]

Depends what genre you're interested in, but indies(the ones that are nice) are higher in quality than most tripleAs and cost half.
Also why i curate a list of indies

[rain cave]

It's not about genres to most people

including me

[cunning fossil]

Are you sure? I have to say that indie games are absolutely AMAZING.

There is a lot more heart and passion put into those that money xan not byy

[rain cave]

it's about if a game is good

if a game is actually good it transcends genre

look at elden ring for example

[cunning fossil]

They generally are though. Indie games that is

The recent Vampire Hunter on Dteam is like

It's literally the most basic game hut it's so so fun

Of course, taste matters

[strange falcon]

If you want price for hours,
Hollow knight is the first that comes to mind, what is it, 5$ on steam?
And the game is like 50hrs just basegame if not more

[cunning fossil]

But I will never not vouch for indie titles

[rain cave]

but over the decade the only indie games I've bought and though are worth are:
-Hades
-terraria
-Risk of Rain 2
-Hyper light Drifter
-Divinity Original Sin 2
-Nuclear Throne (does that count?)
-Wizard of legend

and I had to go digging for the last 2 tbf

I can't think of any others that have been particularly noteworthy to the point where I remember them

and regarding what I've seen of vampire hunter, I'd rather just play cookie clicker since that's the pioneer of the genre

or the peak, I suppose

it's mainly that Indies don't give me enough game length for the money

not to say AAA games solve that either

again, Doom 2016 is my go to example

fun game but basically a scam for launch price

@strange falcon the list you linked me is either things on my radar or things I just think are over-rated

like I think Nier: Automata is an atrocious game

because the gameplay makes me just apathetic and bored

due its repetetive and unvaried nature

honestly disappointed I expected platinum to be better than that

but the game is just clunky and stiff, and that goes to the UI too

[strange falcon]

i didnt put that game there for the gameplay tbf

[rain cave]

it's a GAME

story's serves to amplify gameplay and engagement

but if the game fails, then what's the point

[strange falcon]

damn wow fails at both, ||before you go "oh but the gameplay good", sure, but it gets mired down and made not enjoyable by the orbiting systems||

[rain cave]

and yeah some games on here I am interested in playing, alas I'm still waiting for the persona 5 royal PC port because god forbid I have to touch a playstation

[rain cave]

I don't play WoW atm as I have no drive to

[strange falcon]

i have a youtube playlist for it if you want that

[rain cave]

for what

[strange falcon]

the game mentioned in the replied message

[rain cave]

wdym

like reviews?

[strange falcon]

but then again "it's a game"

[rain cave]

ik the game is good and I want to play it

I emulated the base ps3 version on my old PC but didn't finish it

cba to set that up again just for a subpar experience and to start again

waiting for royal's port

[strange falcon]

no like a full playthrough 👀
persona games are behemoths of time per money,
even P3 was like 70hrs, and is arguably the shortest
Royal is easily more than 100hrs

[rain cave]

I am aware

I played P4 golden

bought it as soon as it came on steam

but I can't waste my time with playthroughs

I'd rather actually play it at my pace

watching other people play games is either boring or infuriating unless it's the dota 2 internationals

and even then I moreso tune in to see the specific teams and what they do

I plan on tackling disco elysium again over the summer on my laptop, since I'm intrigued

though I've heard some people say it's socialist/communist leaning so idk how well I'll connect to it

but I'm willing to try it if it's quality

[strange falcon]

its quite a nice game, but get the upgraded edition or whatever it's called, as it's voiceacted
While the original release isnt, and its a damn truckton of reading

[rain cave]

I already have the game

I bought it a couple years ago

just didn't get past a certain point because it was going to force me to do a bad thing

which I didn't want to do

also I was going to try do a full playthrough of the dragon age games, but origins is a snorefest gameplay wise

so I didn't even finish origins. I just want to get started in 2

since that's where the gameplay gets fun

[strange falcon]

ironically, origins is universally labeled as "the best one" as a full package,
the 2nd one is considered "the worst" but then again, you seem to be much more of a gameplay guy, than a story/Characters guy so idk

[rain cave]

no I love story, but if the gameplays bad there's no point

origins gameplay is just like levelling a warrior in vanilla WoW tho

lots of auto attacking, occasionally pressing a button to do a slightly more powerful auto attack

using consumables just to stay alive in the slap fests that are boss battles

literally there was a boss my entire party died on because my gear/stats are just so much better and I just effectively auto attacked and slapped it to death over 2 minutes whilst chugging my potions

riveting

here's my favourites on steam

[strange falcon]

damn, blender, truly an astounding game

[rain cave]

it is

[subtle oar]

How about them ptrs

[glass flicker]

Hoping they announce Brawler's Guild soon.

[cosmic beacon]

give brawlers guild plz blizz

[dense plover]

no ptr today

the turnip has the day off

[plain violet]

Sad... :(

[ionic terrace]

they are down

[dense plover]

theres no new build yet

might just be maintenance

[ionic terrace]

[deep pawn]

They have a few hours left

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/renown-80-boost-1182401

oh, the datamined stuff we already knew, nevermind

I thought m+ was already almost certain renown

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/9-2-5-ptr-development-notes-1205733

oh, just the earlier blue post

Hello everyone! Here are this week’s PTR notes: rip build

[mossy meteor]

new build

[deep pawn]

oh, just no notes then

guessing super small?

[mossy meteor]

nah wowhead is just bad at embedding

[deep pawn]

I posted those notes but it's just an earlier blue post

[uncut lintel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/645993803160748032/950869660612567110/caption.gif

[deep pawn]

yeah, mmo-c isn't finding anything

[subtle oar]

https://tbc.wowhead.com/news/wrath-of-the-lich-king-logo-added-in-classic-era-update-326611

POGGERS!

[ancient jasper]

Time to make a Frost DK tank and a Blood DK DPS xD lol

[deep pawn]

HELL YEAH

DW frost dk was the dream

[subtle oar]

UDK tank was the best tho, wdym?

xD

[deep pawn]

Oh I wish

who needs an anti-magic tank if you die to one melee

[subtle oar]

UDK literally was tho xP

[ancient jasper]

God it's going to feel so odd going back to real talent trees after not having them for so long lol

[deep pawn]

eh, not really

you just follow the build for your spec and don't think

[strange falcon]

What is pad doin here

[strange falcon]

It was always obvious, this isnt a surprise, wrath too big not to put on classic, the real doubt will be cata

[subtle oar]

Nah, Classic won't end with Wrath

[glass flicker]

Oh boy! I sure can't wait for Classic BfA.

[strange falcon]

Any Classic Shadowlands enjoyers in chat? 👀

[rain cave]

Cats classic appears but halfway through the trailer deathwing gets sniped by chromie with the dragon soul

Classic+ is born

[deep pawn]

I'm down for skipping cata for MoP

I liked the last patch of cata

[mossy meteor]

I wouldn't mind cata classic

I think some of the specs had unique design

Namely survival hunter

[glass flicker]

Cata introduced transmogs. I'd watch an Asmongold Classic transmog competition.

[subtle oar]

Cata Fire Mage

The Mega DoT

[glass flicker]

Cata sub rogue.

Burst for days.

[mossy meteor]

transmog was mop

[glass flicker]

I'm pretty sure it was Cata.

[rain cave]

it was cata

[young latch]

Somebody mentioned that devs were working on ear holes for vulpera and worgen on certain helms-- any news on if that's still in the workd?

[strange falcon]

Inb4 abandoned like "more character customization"

[deep pawn]

they can do it, but it's usually reserved for storebought stuff

[young latch]

I'm just curious if it's going to be a toggle or if they're only doing it for certain models.

[deep pawn]

it has to be modeled

[young latch]

Wondering why it was getting applied to zerith mortis tier pieces in particular, rhough.

[young latch]

Yeah I've seen this before. But somebody in the worgen tail thread on the forums was posting successful depictions of ear toggles on eir pieces.

I'd like to know if more stuff is found.

[rain cave]

I love how they took a clipping issue and made it a canon style choice

like in the high realism cgi trailers

sylvanas pokes her ears through

like are they worn out to the point where they naturally slot over?

or does she have to spend a moment lining it up

[glass flicker]

Elves aren't called Knife-Ears by the RP community for nothing.

[sonic flame]

some days before the dragonflight leak I had upscaled this picture

( in case you like it )

https://i.redd.it/5u66mnlt7qq81.png

it's actually heroes of the storm I believe

but it's so well made

[deep pawn]

I linked the Alex/Hanzo trailer the day the leak happened

it's pretty cool too

[subtle oar]

@uncut lintel Dragonflight

[uncut lintel]

aw fuck shes ho

t

also wow original

[subtle oar]

Thats a HOTS pic

[uncut lintel]

[subtle oar]

meaning Heroes of the Storm xD

[uncut lintel]

yea

[subtle oar]

The new xpac is Dragonflight tho

[uncut lintel]

wait wtf

oops wrong chat

[subtle oar]

And there was only a single leak with that name prior to learning

[uncut lintel]

yea

they are revealing it this month on 26th?

blizzard is

?

[deep pawn]

it's on the 19th

[uncut lintel]

wow earlier than i thought

[subtle oar]

@uncut lintel https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2614875-World-of-Warcraft-Dragonflight Heres the leak from February. The name is the confirmed name of the new xpac, but still take it with a grain of salt

[uncut lintel]

yea

[queen wadi]

I hope that leak is real, I will believe it when it is leak on 4chan

[dense plover]

No way that leak is real

They’re not gonna push everyone back to 50

That means ruining ilvl every expac. It’s far more likely they extend chromie time to 60

[tulip sun]

I hope not lol

I don't want Dalaran again

[dense plover]

Yeah that too. No way they reuse dalaran again

The person got lucky with the name matching

How many terms are there for dragons in wow?

Not that many

And dragonflights are the groups of dragons that are important

[jade basalt]

"Shadowlands" had been correctly guessed by many leaks as well, but none of them were real.

(Well, except for the actual content leak from marketing)

[dense plover]

That’s different

The image leak is the only potentially real leak

It came out way too close to the name leak to be fanart and the art itself doesn’t exist anywhere else

[jade basalt]

Yeah, I'm agreeing that the MMO-C leak guessing the name right doesn't mean it's legit, just like many fake leaks had also guessed "Shadowlands" right but were still fake

[queen wadi]

Well we don’t have much longer to wait and other leaks could be released to entertain us before then

[deep pawn]

I would not be shocked that EVERY expansion gets a squish now so we constantly relevel 50-60

[rain cave]

that leak doesn't say that

it just says level cap stays at 60

which I could easily see

just keep scaling the gear up at 60, with new systems

means all the effort that would be put into levelling zones that get ignored mostly can be channeled into other stuff

even if that other stuff is just longer quest chains

[dense plover]

you cant have leveling without levels

[rain cave]

also makes it easier to then scale up old raids like they're doing in 9.2.5

who said we need levelling

[deep pawn]

they already showed they have 0 issue making people finish the story even at level cap

[dense plover]

its bog standard for every MMO

[deep pawn]

I hit 60 at the start of Revendreth hah

[rain cave]

apart from GW2

lmao

like they're not removing levelling

[dense plover]

ah yes, hyper successful mmo GW2

[rain cave]

they're just not adding new levels is what people are saying

[rain cave]

either you're being intentionally obtuse or you're just ignorant

[dense plover]

obtuse

[rain cave]

GW2 is doing very well for itself

[deep pawn]

I do think we're more likely to just constantly see squishes, BfA stops being the mandatory newbie levelling, that becomes SL.

[rain cave]

I think it's getting peak player counts

and they have a 4th expansion greenlit

[dense plover]

for itself, compared to wow or ffxiv its not even close

[rain cave]

ff14 isn't that big from what I've experienced

and isn't that good imo either

[dense plover]

lol

[deep pawn]

All old BfA gear becomes 50 ilvl, SL goes to 125, and we redo this

[rain cave]

GW2 feels bigger to me

[dense plover]

its literally near tied with wow right now for players

[rain cave]

how lmao

[dense plover]

GW2 isnt even close

dude - endwalker launch had at LEAST 5 million active users based on server load

[rain cave]

I don't get what people see in ff14

[dense plover]

story

[rain cave]

story is garbage

it's final fantasy lmao

[dense plover]

have you actually played it?

[rain cave]

I can't take it seriously when they unironically have a character just say

"bullshit"

and then listen to limp bizkit as he walks away

[dense plover]

wut

[rain cave]

and has crossovers with nier automata

[dense plover]

its a crossover

i dont see the problem with fun bullshit

[rain cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkj-uvg2sRU&ab_channel=BuffMaister

[dense plover]

thats ffxvi

thats not 14

those are literally different writers

[rain cave]

it's actually ff 0

I think

but it's the same story so

🤷‍♂️

[dense plover]

no it isnt

you literally dont know what youre talking about

[rain cave]

same franchise

idc

[dense plover]

ff14 is a fantasy mmo

its a totally different story

every ff game is its own world

with a few exceptions

they dont exist in the same universe

[rain cave]

don't care final fantasy is just a mess of a franchise to me

[tulip sun]

That was really confusing for me lol

[dense plover]

they just pull from similar core concepts like classes and monsters

[rain cave]

no consistent identity

no serious story

[dense plover]

THEYRE ALL DIFFERENT

[rain cave]

yeah exactly no identity

[dense plover]

i cant argue with someone who has a wrong view of something without having ever even played it

[rain cave]

I played ff14

got bored

[dense plover]

really? because so far it sounds like you havent

[rain cave]

art style looked flat

abilities were floaty and unimpressive

story didn't engage me

UI was clunky af

[dense plover]

ah yes - because wow's abilities are so exciting?

[rain cave]

yes?

chaos bolt? fire mage in general? hitting a phat mortal strike or facerolling as fury?

meteor

comet storm

I've seen what final fantasy looks like at its endgame

and the abilities look so flat

and boring

because there's no consistent kind of power space for each class

it's just amorphous magic or somesuch

[dense plover]

bullshit

ah damnit

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there we go

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each WoW class has an area that is more defined

mage draws from arcane

and channels that into fire or frost

its power is thought out mostly

FF14 is just mindless to me

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yeah thats true for 14 too

you just didnt get to 30 where that split happens

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since final fantasy is everything at once

scifi

steampunk

fantasy

modern

like what

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spaceships for the legion

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mechagnomes

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elves

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you're listing things

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this isnt in 14 or wow

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I'm listing genres

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im responding to the things you said 14 did with stuff wow also did

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nah

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mechagomes are steampunk

100%

or at least junkpunk

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but they still fit with the fantasy setting

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regular gnomes are steampunk

SO DOES 14

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FF7 wouldn't fit in WoW

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you are comparing things from OTHER FF games

thats not the same game

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they're the same franchise, I judge them together

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thats stupid

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not really

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hearthstone stuff doesnt take place in wow

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ok and?

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thats like treating hearthstone lore as wow lore

thats what youre doing

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not really

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ff7 and ff14 literally are different worlds

in different universes

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since hearthstone isn't a warcraft mainline game

it's a spinoff

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EVERY FF GAME IS ITS OWN THING

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then why give it a number

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THEYRE ALL SEPARATE

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or the FF moniker

it's just lazy

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yes because no other game with sequels has ever done that

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the story isn't interesting because I can't take it seriously if it doesn't take itself seriously

ff14 is like fortnite lore

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it happened because the first few were sorta sequels and then the US translation team fucked it up

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or genshit impact lore

it's just meanlingless dribble

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thats extremely ignorant and factually wrong

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and that's your opinion

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its better than wow lore since they actually follow their own rules

and dont retcon every other expac

i loved wow lore

shadowlands fucking killed all of it

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but maybe ff14 would get more interest if their UI didn't look like it was from windows XP

jailer was a mess sure

sylvanas had a good arch though

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"oh yeah, you know sargeras? well he was actually tricked by the jailer somehow for some reason"

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mate

that was hinted beforehand

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sylvanas got shafted by books too

why is all of her lore since BfA outside of the game?

and why did they retcon why she burned the tree twice?

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even though it shouldn't be a book, the book provides nice confirmations of popular theories on her motivations

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they literally changed it twice

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nah

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yes

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nah

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it originally was a strategic decision

then they changed it to be emotional

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according to who

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then they changed it to be because the jailer said so