Nathanos: sarcastic
Sylvanas: that’s kinda hot though
#beta-ptr-spoilers
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They both achieved their goals by the end, so, I guess that's enough?
And I agree that Zovaal collected the sigils like infinity stones.
rain cave
and wanted to alter reality to suite their ideal?
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Also, why was Zovaal just big bald dood when Pelagos is a literal golden boi?
rain cave
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I hate to say this, but...
Zovaal should have monologued like a James Bond villain.
Tell us your fucking plan, mate!
You just said "reality must be remade" a couple times while foreshadowing nothing of interest.
deep pawn
Well we lost an entire patch that likely was meant to flesh out the jailer, instead we got Sylvanas
rain cave
I feel like somebody at blizzard put "show don't tell" on a whiteboard in bold writing and pointed to it all the time without actually knowing what that is meant to entail
because they just showed the outcomes
instead of showing the process and reasoning implictly
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Literally slapped the whiteboard, Jacksepticeye style, but instead of screaming LAUGH they screamed BOLD WRITING.
deep pawn
Sylvanas' eyes turned blue! what more do we want
subtle oar
*golden one*, even?
rain cave
she used to have a darker skin, with red eyes, purple armour, browns, trim metals
now she's like
blue and grey
and most of those blues are muted
glass flicker
I dig the new design, but I don't understand her fixation with wearing hoods.
subtle oar
blue and grey
Thats how her skin is supposed to be
rain cave
I dig the new design, but I don't understand her fixation with wearing hoods.
bald spot
glass flicker
Is she like, balding on the back?
rain cave
LOL
rain cave
Thats how her skin is supposed to be
her armour though
subtle oar
I dig the new design, but I don't understand her fixation with wearing hoods.
Its a Quel'dorei ranger thing
glass flicker
Fuck peripheral vision, I suppose.
rain cave
sylvanas without a hood would be a very cool redesign should we see her in 3-4 expansions time
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Oh wait, we did see without her hood.
rain cave
in tbc
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She had a casual clothing model this expansion.
rain cave
that's true
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Could have just used the head of that instead of hood and cloak.
rain cave
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And HOW did she get the same armor she used to wear as the Ranger General?
rain cave
And HOW did she get the same armor she used to wear as the Ranger General?
same place thrall got his old armour
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Asspull-landia.
Thrall had the most changes in bodytype.
He was a regular orc, then he got BUFF in the Cata prepatch, then he got skinny in Cata proper, then he got a bit more thicc in WoD, and now he's JACKED AF.
rain cave
garrosh's cata model is very dry and roided
rain cave
this model I always found amusing
because he genuinely just looks permanently angry
and roided out his mind
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pAiNt ThIs CoNtInEnT rEd
rain cave
blizzard planning expansions out based on how many characters they can use chris metzen for at once
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I mean, he voices quite a few.
rain cave
aye
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Dranosh Saurfang, Thrall, Varian, Ragnaros.
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Patrick Seitz also does an amazing job as Garrosh and Arthas.
rain cave
that is true
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He also voices Scorpion and Dio.
rain cave
patrick seitz has a great voice
I feel like they must have had more arthas plans
since I doubt they would get him in just for that garrosh cutscene
that wasn't even properly animated
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Taliesin keeps joking about Blizzard overpaying Laura Bailey (Jaina)
Because she does so much work.
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Wait, no. Not Taliesin.
rain cave
playing a polish sniper
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Bellular was.
rain cave
which I found, odd
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Oh, Laura Bailey has such a long record of voices.
rain cave
because it just sounds like laura bailey with a vaguely european accent
rain cave
if you could bring any actor in for a WoW character who would you bring
like to be in the story
similar to how tirion was voiced
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Hmm, probably Terry Crews for an important Stormwind Guard.
Like Marshall McBride.
He has a perfect voice to be a general/marshal. Change my mind.
rain cave
I'm imagining nic cage as a blood elf
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Hmm... Not calm enough, I'd say.
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But I like the idea of him saying bal'a dash malanore wrong.
OOH, maybe Jackie Chan as a pandaren.
strange falcon
cunning fossil
ooga booga cypher new use 9.2.5???
What do you mean?
tropic trail
Something new to spend cyphers on? The Olea Caches are simply bad
cunning fossil
They are the only Cypher Sink for now
If you have everything else done you really don't need to care about them
Olea Caches are just there to be the ultimate Cypher sink after you're done with the Cypher of the First Ones system and any cosmetics from Olea
upper pasture
I wish we could trade Cyphers for genesis motes at a slightly better rate lol
I’m getting tired of farming those stupid motes for mounts and pets lol
tropic trail
I get that but it still feels bad to spend like 3-4 days worth of dailies on a next to worthless cache
upper pasture
Transmog tho
I mean at least there’s something to spend them on and you’re not collecting cyphers for absolutely nothing
tropic trail
if we'd get like 5-10 genesis motes per cypher it would be infinitely more rewarding is what im saying
upper pasture
700 for 25 is meh even if it was like 700 for 100 it’s so much better without being crazy
subtle oar
Wonder when will get a new build
cunning fossil
Nah I want a new build
subtle oar
cunning fossil
Hiru keeps dropping bombs on April Fools. They're always pretty damn good
I put this video in chat to discuss the topic a bit. Cuz basically I agree with him
Borrowed Power is fun, acquisition is the shitty part
dense plover
so the thing is - borrowed power itself isnt bad, its the power becoming core to your rotation and being tied to a shitty grind
honestly AP did a sorta decent job with acquisition being a weekly cap and having nearly instant catchup
i think the real answer is auto catchup and a weekly cap
cunning fossil
I believe that Borrowed power can be cool if added to rotation if it changes it up some what for a time
Like what tier sets do
dense plover
so someone who doesnt play as much is one or two weeks behind at most
but someone who is like - a top tier raider, doesnt have to grind forever
dense plover
they sorta nailed that with the end of the azerite grind
cunning fossil
The only bad thing was that it had a pseudo infinite grind
strange falcon
The after legion, and after bfa periods, feel absolutely dogshit from a gameplay perspective
Its like you're pumped with an unhealthy amount of steroids, and then your arms are all flaccid and useless after
cunning fossil
I feel like pseudo infinite grinds will always make the player base frown because like.
They just suck
dense plover
legion artifacts were fun because you got to put points in everything and eventually unlocked it all
cunning fossil
They don't feel rewarding. You only feel behind
dense plover
the problem with limited power is that once it hits the cap, the content tied to gaining the power is worthless
cunning fossil
i also think a pseudo talent tree is good
Agreed. Those are very fun
dense plover
so realistically, they need to tie how you gain power to just playing the game
and fully separate it from the normal activity rewards
so that you dont lose rewards once you cap for the week or whatever
and so the endgame activities remain relevant after that point
IE Torghast sorta loses its use after you get your leggo and the cosmetics you want
cunning fossil
I honestly thing Blizzard is too afraid to let players play other games
When it's not a bad thing
dense plover
where they couldve made torghast give untradable reagents or gold or something (also up to a cap) so that you CAN keep running it for some reason
cunning fossil
Adding an arbitrary grind to the game just to keep players playing will burn players out
dense plover
I honestly thing Blizzard is too afraid to let players play other games
i think its the opposite - they dont want players to burn out, but players dont want to feel forced to do a specific thing every day or every week
strange falcon
I honestly thing Blizzard is too afraid to let players play other games
They have heavily brainwashed their players, that wow is the only game that exists in the universe.
Which is why terms like "wow brain" have been created,
Where these people are completely unable to enjoy any other game(in extreme cases) because "it isnt wow"
strange falcon
i think its the opposite - they dont want players to burn out, but players dont ...
I disagree, dont think thats the case
dense plover
so whatever resource is tied to borrowed power needs a few things;
- it needs a weekly cap with auto catchup 1-2 weeks behind
- it needs to have some form of player choice culminating in the same max choice by the 'end' of the patch so everyone ends up on equal footing
- the sources of power need to be irrelevant to the activity you do - perhaps being a mix of multiple factors including activity time, being in a group, and the content itself so that all types of content provide approximately equivalent rewards
- The content needs to continue to evolve across the expansion; this means encouraging you to do newer content over older content when necessary, but doing their best to not make old content irrelevant when unnecessary
- This is more about the borrowed power source itself, but It should have some kind of cosmetic reward system tied to it that encourages you to try activities you might not normally
dense plover
I disagree, dont think thats the case
if they wanted you to play all day, you wouldnt run out of stuff to do
but you do
theres a timer for WQs, certain quests are weekly and certain resources have a cap
they want you to play every day, but they dont want you playing all day
strange falcon
but you do
I mean, the 8month content drought twice speaks to me more of an unintentional failure, than an intentional endpoint in content
dense plover
thats not what im talking about
im talking day to day content
theres literally a limited amount of daily content
you cant play 12 hours a day all week long because there isnt enough stuff every day in current content
thats definitely intentional
strange falcon
they want you to play every day, but they dont want you playing all day
Playing every day, is also a big talking point that people dont like if i remember right,
Because it becomes daily chores, and if you miss one day, you're irreparably behind
Doesnt work anymore when their playerbase is 30years old with a job
dense plover
i mean - theyve done a good job balancing that
cunning fossil
so whatever resource is tied to borrowed power needs a few things;
1. it needs ...
I cab get behind this
dense plover
putting the majority of rep and story as weekly unlocks means you only NEED to play once a week
which i dont think is unreasonable
my suggestion for the borrowed power system rewards you for playing, but doesnt punish you for missing. essentially - very active players are 2 weeks ahead of inactive players and casual players end up somewhere in the middle
strange falcon
The after legion, and after bfa periods, feel absolutely dogshit from a gameplay...
They definitely have to find a way to curb the powerspikes,
As going from charged artifacts and legendaries to nothing
And corruptions to nothing
Is the worst feeling gameplay wise possible.
Also,they need to start designing classes to work on their own WITHOUT borrowed power, and then add borrowed power ontop as an extension, not the entire cake
strange falcon
DH was created with artifacts/ability as the core of the spec,
Survival is aimless,without a core, since they made mongoose bite a talent after legion.
List goes on
uncut lintel
o -o
cunning fossil
Gonna be so happy once we get a Shadow Priet Level make over
opaque pewter
I feel that most classes are working well on their own. It's just that the addon is so powerful for some that people can't think otherwise and label it as a necessity for the class. People talk in absolute after all.
On the other hand if the addon is something simple like a %boost, you'll definitively hear the other side of the complaint where people will say they're not exciting/creatively bankupt, etc.
strange falcon
I mean, 95% of azerite powers were incredibly boring
opaque pewter
They were also not class personalized, which made it less appealing for the masses
strange falcon
Essences were a good idea,
Assuming accountwide from the start.
Too bad they had to throw it in the trash like everything they do that isnt m+
uncut lintel
I mean, 95% of azerite powers were incredibly boring
i liked the shield 
opaque pewter
With the probable resource downscaling, we'll likely see less choices and variety in these addons going forward
cunning fossil
I mean, 95% of azerite powers were incredibly boring
I personally loved the Frost Mage Azerite Power that made Flurry cast a Frozen comet on the last hit
And dude
It just looked so fun
I did horrible damage trying to play into it but it was so fun
cunning fossil
With the probable resource downscaling, we'll likely see less choices and variet...
That's depressing. More choice is always so fun. Even if it's not meta
opaque pewter
Yeah, I can definitively see both sides here. It's a hard decision to do and one that keeps coming back I'm sure
ionic terrace
light compass
deep pawn
Decrypting Ancient Cyphers (New) Combine 20 Confounding Antique Cyphers to create the Cosmic Creation Impetus, which can be used to improve Empowered raid items to Heroic quality. 2 sec cast.
excuse you?
oh no
Empowered raid items?
corruption? 😄
Or just the category like "timewarped"
That is an interesting step
uncut lintel
ketchup
deep pawn
it's with the new season raid gear which is interesting
I hope it sticks around in 10.0
Let us upgrade normal gear why not
ooo, new affix name
subtle oar
I hope when Pandaren get a heritage armor storyline, they too, get cultural weapons
cosmic beacon
dense plover
I hope when Pandaren get a heritage armor storyline, they too, get cultural weap...
they have a ton of weapons from pandaria though. the reason theyre adding weapons for blood elves and dark iron dwarves is because they are new models and they made them for NPCs but now players want them
dense plover
yes - races that dont have weapon representation
tepid fiber
Could always just wait your turn
dense plover
why should races with representation get more when races that dont have none
tepid fiber
Older races with fewer specific models first
dense plover
^ or newer races with models they added but never made accessible (dark iron dwarves)
tepid fiber
why should races with representation get more when races that dont have none
Exactly. Level the playing field for equal representation
dense plover
im waiting for the nightborne weapon set they made to be added now
they made a ton of weapons
you still cant get them
did they ever make the void elf weapons accessible?
or the lightforged weapons?
i dont remember
tepid fiber
I still want the munitions backpack that you see on certain goblins and the Kor'kron grenadiers/marksmen in SoO
AND I want the azerite drill/stonegrinder pet model as a mount variant. You can see goblin excavators riding them in Drustvar
dense plover
100%
tepid fiber
Still, I don't expect to see them rationally until the core races get features balanced out first
In order, from least in-game flavor models of older races first, balancing out to more modern
Like I wouldn't expect to see any Zandalari themed stuff for a hot minute due to how new they are, along with how many things of their aesthetic since before BfA even
urban spire
heres hoping in a later 9.2.5 build we get a few heritage sets for races currently lacking them
uncut vault
they have a ton of weapons from pandaria though. the reason theyre adding weapon...
This is kind of also the case for pandaren in fairness
All of their starting zone weapons are totally unavailable for transmog
terse siren
In the Morgan Day interview, Max from Liquid was watching and commentating. And Day said in regards to fixing bugs during RWF, he said "Alliances" instead of "Guilds". Slip of the tongue that might hint towards cross- realm/faction something in 10.0? Max pointed it out, but seems no one else is talking about it, or catched onto it?
deep pawn
Nah, day's been playing too much 14 maybe
strange falcon
as he should, they're the biggest competitor atm
deep pawn
The 24 man ff14 content are the alliance raids
I don't know if WoW would work with social guilds and static alliances for raiding
strange falcon
a static is "a group of people that raid without being in a guild together"
which is more or less what communities are,
Only that (from what i know) communities is a dead feature that no one uses,
while the equivalent, linkshells is highly used
could just be a factor of wow not having much of a social aspect left
deep pawn
Communities might get more play being xfaction organizing
Right now they're a duplicate unneeded discord
strange falcon
Communities might get more play being xfaction organizing
if the problem of communities is "they're just discord"
how does them being xfaction, not also covered by discord
deep pawn
But they could be moving away from guilds being the primary pve organizations or he just had 14 on the brain
You can invite players cross faction from communities
To groups
terse siren
aaaaaah, that explains
deep pawn
If they can't figure out Xfaction guilds they could be lazy and just say, use communities
terse siren
Nah, they'll figure it out. Ion said they didnt rule it out. So I'm still hoping
rain cave
would be interesting to me if they didn't just tie things like the blood knight armour to blood elf race
and let anyone who's exalted with silvermoon get it
actually make that a purposeful rep
deep pawn
It's a blood elf paladin only set
rain cave
It's a blood elf paladin only set
I know
but it would be interesting if any paladin could get it as long as they have silvermoon exalted
deep pawn
I'd rather they do more unique race class stuff
rain cave
I'd rather they do more unique race class stuff
I'm open to that, however if they want to go down literal class flavour stuff
like night elf paladins getting elune themed spells from a quest or something
idk
I just feel like it would be cool to have cultural exchange lmao
even if they added it later
because it would mean you have to rep grind for another races faction
to even unlock it
harsh wedge
But lore wise that'd be weird to have a blood knight armour on something like a zandalari troll, or a vulpera (if we just put it on plate and not only paladin), wouldn't it ?
visual vortex
I think it would be cute
rain cave
But lore wise that'd be weird to have a blood knight armour on something like a ...
keep it to paladin, since blood knights are paladins. But lets say you're a tauren paladin who's exalted with silvermoon, ingame that would imply you're on very good relations with you blood elf allies. And I'd assume they'd let you in on their blood knight stuff
or even if they added undead paladins
or lets say they added dark ranger customizations
people assume it would be elf exclusive, which they might be at base. But imagine if regardless of race they let you unlock it for other races
even if for elves it's more like, actual race customizations as well as some skills changing
but other races only get a dark skin tone, red eyes and the skills
to keep the scope in line
Nathanos was a dark ranger
cultural exchange
I doubt they'll do it but
it's interesting to me
cunning fossil
keep it to paladin, since blood knights are paladins. But lets say you're a taur...
It wouldn't look right tho yeah?
rain cave
depends on your transmog skills
cunning fossil
Only BE Paladins can join the group
deep pawn
Tauren paladins and blood elves are very different
rain cave
and it's not like the player characters BE paladin is a blood knight necessarily either
yeah but to me it looks like they're going in the direction of allowing you to choose your flavour in your class
what if you want to play a tauren paladin but don't want to be a plate wearing druid effectively?
or a blood elf paladin who still subscribes to elune
like class covenants
but just cosmetic
I think they have to expand the system first though
like adding more flavour directions
before they even think about allowing it to be a universal customization option
cunning fossil
le racisme
Uhm no.
Tauren have their own Paladun subsection called the Sunwalkers
visual vortex
But it is? Unless they decided against it
OH?? I haven’t done the quest line in years (I keep missing it F, it’s coming up this month tho so maybe I’ll catch it HOLD ON thank u)
Oh it literally is,, I was looking at her,, I was so caught up with blood elf girls only having blonde hair that I forgot “oh yeah,, her name,,”
I’m so excited!!
rain cave
Uhm no.
Tauren have their own Paladun subsection called the Sunwalkers
yeah but not every tauren paladin has to be a sunwalker
same as how not every blood elf paladin has to be a blood knight
or every blood elf hunter has to be a ranger
or every night elf priest has to be a priest of elune
and they are leaning into this
even going so far as not every lightforged swears by the Naaru and the light entirely
becoming lightforged is just a blessing, doesn't mean you can't change your mind or become entirely subservient to the light
lightforged death knight exists, and they've said that new death knights are consensual, with the new DK intro
plain violet
New death knights aren't consensual no, you are "free" but you were still raised without having a word on it.
Even better, Darion did make many reproaches at Bolvar, because those new death knights were released in the nature without even knowing how to use their powers or understand their natures.
As for the lightforged, we know currently that the process is that they swear by the light. They each have their own personalities, but you are pretty much reforged by the Light and all the process is about trusting it and overcome yourself, with faith in the Light.
rain cave
New death knights aren't consensual no, you are "free" but you were still raised...
I swear there's dialogue that thanks the new death knights for taking the sacrifice to become death knights to protect others
and lightforging doesn't have to happen by having faith in the light
we know that
just because you are lightforged doesn't mean you are faithful in the light
those two just tend to line up
because the only people who are usually lightforged are people already working for the light, as they are the ones who CAN lightforge
they attempted to lightforge illidan against his will
and it's implied that similar things happen on alternate draenor
but when you break it down, people took the lightforging consensually it was not just because they loved the light, but because they wanted/needed the boon from it
army of the light needed all the help they could get
getting a power boost from the naaru helps
deep pawn
Bolvar thanked them for fighting cause the alternative is they kill themselves to return to death, which undead do all the time. He banked on a lot of the fallen from the 4th war wanting to continue to fight.
plain violet
Here, yes, the official novel that tell more about them.
He literally grabed death from the 4th war, something that was done behind the back of the Horde and Alliance, raised them, and tell them what to do. Even if Bolvar insisted they were not his "slaves", Darion was still pretty upset about it, notably because that was inflicting this state on people that asked nothing.
(and that could be dangerous)
For the lightforged, we see from WoD that they are forcefully converted, and that the consequence is that they do become fanatical for the Light, one of the reasons mag'hars are not happy about it. Forcefull conversion to change people into devots.
For lightforged we do play ingame, we also see they do have faith in the Light. Yes, that's a power boost, but also the ultimate commitment to their faith:
We are soldiers. Through millennia of struggle, the Light has shown us the true path. And in turn, we have been reborn as instruments of its power. You are Lightforged. You must stand as a beacon of hope against the darkness. But to those who threaten this world... or attack our allies... you will embody the Light's wrath.
My fellow soldiers, the trials you have endured are proof that the Light shines bright within your hearts.
subtle oar
keep it to paladin, since blood knights are paladins. But lets say you're a taur...
No. Just, No. Only Belfs are Blood Knights.
subtle oar
yeah but not every tauren paladin has to be a sunwalker
Yes, they do. Lol. Its the only way to become a Paladin in Tauren culture
subtle oar
same as how not every blood elf paladin has to be a blood knight
Yes they do.
subtle oar
and lightforging doesn't have to happen by having faith in the light
Uh, yes it does. That is literally the lore behind the Lightforged. They swear fealty and undying loyalty to the Light and are reforged bythe Naaru
plain violet
Winter Skye is right yup.
And they really love to convert someone to the Light. And by it conversion, to a faith. That is magically changing your mindset and soul.
subtle oar
^^^
deep pawn
Hopefully we speak with Lothraxion again soon. He has some explaining to do, and how exactly does the light over take a being of anima and death.
rain cave
Nah
There's nothing stopping some random tauren from being an elune paladin
Or a warlock
Or whatever
@subtle oar
subtle oar
There's nothing stopping some random tauren from being an elune paladin
Uh, no xD
subtle oar
Lol no
subtle oar
To become a Belf Paladin, you join the Blood Knights
subtle oar
Yes
rain cave
That's to join the blood Knights
subtle oar
Canon > Headcanon
plain violet
Paladin BE quests told that you are a blood knight.
rain cave
Ok and? That's why I'm saying in future
They could open up these avenues
Since there's nothing stopping it
If a tauren paladin like blood Knights so much, they can get exalted with silver moon
Whilst blood elves just get it
Makes sense to me
plain violet
Cultural problems currently stop it, or even what the population would thought of it.
For example, a warlock HM tauren is impossible because of what happened with the feltotem.
A warlock mag'har is impossible because mag'hars are in fact recognized by being still pure, not tainted by fel. A mag'har would touch fel would forsake his ideals and ancestors, and just be an orc.
subtle oar
They could open up these avenues
No. There is no reason to ignore Racial cultures
rain cave
I mean, the feltotem were my example of tauren warlocks
plain violet
Taurens paladins are paladins because they channel their faith in An'she, the sun. We currently have no blood knight paladin because the order is blood elf only, and to add, a tauren so would have to be tied to the sunwell, that currently is not possible because the sunwell is tied to high elves and blood elves.
We exterminated the feltotem, and the bloodotem NPC thanks us for that, as touching fel was the ultimate betrayal of their values, and a foolishness.
rain cave
Wdym I thought blood Knights were no longer Tied to the sunwell
Wasn't that a big plot point
plain violet
The sunwell connect all high and blood elves currently, not only the paladins.
rain cave
Becoming independent
plain violet
uh, no.
subtle oar
Makes sense to me
Only to you. But to those who know the lore, not really. Nathanos was the only Human Farstrider, because Sylvanas was in love with him and nearly all other Farstriders protested but begrudgingly went with it because Sylvanas was the Ranger-General. There has been no other outside race to become a Farstrider since.
plain violet
Before they were tied to M'uru.
But they worked, as all blood elves, to restore the sunwell and find power.
With the sunwell restored, they are now tied to its Light, and can channel trough it.
subtle oar
^
rain cave
Even in a different plane?
subtle oar
M'uru gave his core to purify the Sunwell, making it not only a font of Arcane power, but of the Light as well
plain violet
The sunwell suffer no boundaries.
Being it physical, or dimensional, it's really a OP plot thing that make blood elves essentially with unlimited mana font, and light font.
subtle oar
Even in a different plane?
All Belves are connected to the Sunwell.
rain cave
I think you guys are just really focused on past restrictions
subtle oar
I think you guys are just really focused on past restrictions
Restrictions
What?
plain violet
And like, their whole identity.
subtle oar
Its literally the LORE
rain cave
Since faction boundaries are coming down
subtle oar
xDDD
plain violet
Factions boundaries =/= class boundaries.
rain cave
And class customisation is being hinted
upper pasture
weird, just let class/race combos has specific flavor damn
rain cave
Exactly
plain violet
You know, the lore stated that Horde and Alliance could work together, despite the game. Like Cenarion Circle.
rain cave
What's wrong with flavour
plain violet
And the lore state what blood elfs paladins and why they are not like tauren paladins.
rain cave
It's not like I'm saying hand it out to anyone
rain cave
Then you're missing my point
upper pasture
lets BE paladins be special
plain violet
There is a difference between flavour that is specific to a race and that's why it is a flavour.
rain cave
I am
plain violet
And something that all can obtain and so, is not special.
Like Syndrome from the Incredibles, you know.
rain cave
Blood elves get it instantly as an option
plain violet
"And when everyone will be special, nobody will be"
rain cave
Others have to work for it
subtle oar
No
upper pasture
yes, max a rep thats 16 years old "work"
subtle oar
It is their Cultural history
rain cave
Makes perfect sense to me with their lore direction
subtle oar
Uh no?
rain cave
Culture isn't race
rain cave
yes, max a rep thats 16 years old "work"
Make a new rep?
It's literally just a fucking recoloured armour set 😂
Atm
Heritage armour already exists
That's special
upper pasture
makes zero sense because its literally like a BE only thing why would they suddenly let others in their special club?
rain cave
Because an organisation that doesn't seek to expand will eventually die out?
Like why not
Death Knights accept all
Light accepts all
Void accepts all
Etc
Blizz have been kind of going with the whole, choose your flavour thing for a bit
And with class skin talk at an all time high
Just makes sense to me
upper pasture
yeah and you can be a blood knight if you roll a paladin whos a BE easy. otherwise you can just be a sunwalker paladin or whatever other paladin you want to be, the race choice is you picking that flavor
upper pasture
its literally in ALL the class quests and we're getting the tmog in 9.2.5 wym
rain cave
Imagine if they did void elf Paladin and they get custom void tinged abilities
Would you want that locked to void elf?
subtle oar
Yes
rain cave
No is the answer
upper pasture
i wouldn't care if they did
subtle oar
No is the answer
Incorrect.
upper pasture
it would make sense cause the are VOID ELF PALADINS
plain violet
Yup, and that Light currently make the void elves suffer and goes like "boum"
rain cave
Yeah but anyone can embrace the void
upper pasture
but my normal BE paladin wouldn't make sense to be powered by the light but then throwing out all these void spells
rain cave
Void elves can use light
plain violet
Yeah and anyone go currently crazy with it, you know, void elves are the new black because they can control it without becoming crazy.
...
Dude.
Did you just play the game ?! O_o
upper pasture
IIRC doesn't it cause them so much pain or is that the undead?
plain violet
IG they can play the holy specs but every NPC is only shadow/void.
rain cave
I just want class skins you can choose and work towards
subtle oar
IIRC doesn't it cause them so much pain or is that the undead?
It does.
plain violet
We know that Void and Light are opposed.
If they touch, it literally provoke pain or cause explosion.
upper pasture
okay sure man
plain violet
They are not even used in the same time, and are in a really crucial balance, because they know how it is dangerous. Not even Benedictus used them in the same time.
And void elves are void beings.
rain cave
They are used at the same time
plain violet
Like void. Beings.
rain cave
And void elves are **void** beings.
No, they aren't
They're void empowered
Like the sunwell for BE
plain violet
No.
rain cave
Yes
plain violet
Have you played the scenario?
rain cave
Which one
plain violet
... the void elf one when they are shaped and corrupted to become beings of pure void, and they do survive, still have their flesh, but constantly hear the void and the void course in their veins?
rain cave
I played it yes
plain violet
It's not a sunwell, it's their nature.
rain cave
What I understood was they wanted to harness some void power, it got out of control, they get void stained, and then get exiled
Just like how the lightforged aren't beings of light
They're just light marked
plain violet
The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master.
Many have sought to harness the corruptive magic of the Void. Most who tried have fallen into madness. Determined to use this power for the good of Azeroth, Alleria Windrunner is the first mortal to succeed at defying the shadow's whispers. Coming to the aid of a group of her kin who nearly gave in to the darkness, Alleria has vowed to train these Void Elves to control the shadows within them and pledge their newfound powers to the Alliance
The exile was way before the void stained part.
Your dedication inspires all who bear the name ren'dorei--for we have become children of the Void.
upper pasture
that's because they're different
rain cave
If void elves were actually void beings they wouldn't be death Knights
upper pasture
uh
rain cave
Same as lightforged
With light
Since you can only make undead from mortals
Beings of life and death
Unless there's a necromancer with a naaru around
zealous basalt
Wasn't there a cutscene in Legion that showed how in pain Alleria was after embracing void when she was with Turalyon?
rain cave
Yeah and
plain violet
As it was, the shadow energies transformed us... and opened our minds to the whispers of the Void. Without Alleria's guidance, we would have fallen into madness.
rain cave
``As it was, the shadow energies transformed us... and opened our minds to the w...
Yeah people death wing wasn't a void creature
plain violet
Everything can be raised with enough death magic infused trought it.
...
But Death Wing was just corrupted, not totally transformed.
upper pasture
Yeah people death wing wasn't a void creature
what.
plain violet
You go for a really big stretch for attempting to prove your points.
plain violet
Wasn't there a cutscene in Legion that showed how in pain Alleria was after embr...
Cutscenes, books, etc.
You can even see that void elves blood is purple.
upper pasture
Deathwing, you know the guy who was corrupted by the Old Gods and decended into madness. yeah he wasn't a Void being wym
plain violet
Yeah.
rain cave
Yeah he wasn't
upper pasture
what does that have to do with Void elves and them being Void beings?
plain violet
His blood was still red, lava red, he was not literally radiating void energies like void elves. He was not with void eyes that are like the voidwalker eyes. He was covered in void energies.
rain cave
Just because you get a little corrupted or empowered
Doesn't make you that
A being of that element
plain violet
But they were not a little, gosh.
rain cave
Not much
plain violet
The scenario specify how they were nearly stripped of their flesh and were totally transformed.
NPC even state that they need to adapt to their new bodies.
upper pasture
ok
rain cave
Same as lightforged
plain violet
And so?
rain cave
Lightforged aren't beings of light
plain violet
Lightforged have no shadow priest.
rain cave
Wdym
plain violet
They don't use shadow abilities.
rain cave
I can go light forged shadow priest
plain violet
My point when you were saying everything is possible is that, considering their void nature, no, void elves couldn't be paladins, void paladins sure.
Ahaha.
So fast lehrdaniel.
Yeah, that's called gameplay, not lore.
upper pasture
you're confusing lore and player
subtle oar
^
plain violet
Like when the lore take time to show us that no void elf use Light.
Or that they suffer in contact of it.
upper pasture
imagine if we were restricted by lore on our player characters
subtle oar
Saint also ignores Blizz having outright stated that the NPCs are not restricted to the players /Class/spec limitations
rain cave
Everything in game is canon
subtle oar
He thinks Jaina is only a frost mage
subtle oar
Everything in game is canon
Uh, no. There were portals to Org/Stormwind in WoD that were not canon
Canonically, we were stuck there the entire time with no way back
rain cave
Wdym during WoD we could get in and out
plain violet
Yeah, Jaina is a master arch mage, she like to use frost spells but we know in books that she can use many others things.
upper pasture
canonically we would be stuck in SLs now too that the riff has been sealed too right?
rain cave
No
subtle oar
Wdym during WoD we could get in and out
Due to gameplay reasons
Canonically, we could not
plain violet
canonically we would be stuck in SLs now too that the riff has been sealed too r...
If we trust Darion, we can still go out. Surely the negociants will help us, or Kyrian, or the winter queen.
rain cave
_Due to gameplay reasons_
No literally when setting up a garrison you portal people in from stormwind
rain cave
Or org
subtle oar
canonically we would be stuck in SLs now too that the riff has been sealed too r...
No, Canonically the portals in Oribos exist
rain cave
Yeah
subtle oar
No literally when setting up a garrison you portal people in from stormwind
You portal people in
rain cave
So portals to WoD are canon
subtle oar
We could not LEAVE
subtle oar
So portals to WoD are canon
Omg dude -.-
plain violet
The portals to WoD, the ones he is talking about, were added in BFA.
And we know in BFA that is not possible anymore since a long time.
ancient jasper
You were literally sent out of the Shadowlands in like 3 quests
rain cave
Then how did we leave?
upper pasture
No, Canonically the portals in Oribos exist
oh true that's right thats the first thing you do in orbos after getting there lol
subtle oar
You're comprehension of the Lore and Canon is mindbogglingly low
rain cave
Wdym I'm a lore nut
subtle oar
oh true that's right thats the first thing you do in orbos after getting there l...
Mhmm. Ian stated they were canon too
rain cave
I'm heavily invested
plain violet
And the mag'har quest state multiple times how it is difficult to get back in Draenor again.
upper pasture
in head canon
rain cave
Yeah after WoD it was hard to get back
subtle oar
Wdym I'm a lore nut
Must not be for WoW then, cause you know surprisingly little about Wow
rain cave
I know a lot
subtle oar
plain violet
But the portals in Orgrimmar you are talking about are here.
deep pawn
Lightforged react to void the same way undead react to the light. I imagine it'd be incredibly painful to channel it
plain violet
... So. You unsderstand they are not canon.
rain cave
But the *portals* in Orgrimmar you are talking about are here.
Wdym
The portals to draenor are canon to WoD
plain violet
The portal in Orgrimmar and Stormwind, you were talking about.
They are here IG. Sure, but not in-lore, as stated in the lore (contrary to the SL ones).
So not everything that is in game is canon.
plain violet
Lightforged react to void the same way undead react to the light. I imagine it'd...
Yeah, and I don't even see how a LF draenei would attempt to do it, considering their blind faith..
rain cave
That initial bit of WoD sure, they told it like we were stranded until we set up a garrison
plain violet
Gameplay portals added in BFA to access WoD lore despite the lore saying it is not possible, and we need help for it.
Yup.
rain cave
That's just a cosmetic changes
deep pawn
The portals from Ashran to Azeroth are a bit more nebulous but I think lore wise they aren't up constantly, just created when someone had to use it. They definitely opened a bunch to set up the bases, but they were abandoned after we left.
subtle oar
After setting up
No
rain cave
Then how did we leave draenor
deep pawn
Constant portals are a gameplay convenience. I imagine actually taking one requires paper work, customs, paying off some mages.
subtle oar
We could not leave until after the Xpac
rain cave
Lmao
uncut vault
and let anyone who's exalted with silvermoon get it
This is already how it works for these quests
Non-AR heritage questlines require exalted with their race rep
rain cave
^^
deep pawn
Treat the Blood Knight set as a bonus heritage set for Belf Paladins.
rain cave
See
subtle oar
@uncut vault He is suggesting that Non-Belf Paladins should get access to the Belf Blood Knight set.
Which makes zero sense from any Lore perspective.
rain cave
With exalted
So you're saying
that no factions have ever given us themed armour around them with reputation grinds?
or doing things for them?
uncut vault
I mean in fairness, this one in particular wouldn’t be too egregious, since any plate class race can use this set, just in different colors haha
rain cave
exactly
subtle oar
I mean in fairness, this one in particular wouldn’t be *too* egregious, since an...
It would be highly egregious.
rain cave
it really wouldn't
subtle oar
And inappropriate
rain cave
you can already get some blood knight armour
for anyone
from fucking TBC
and all it would take is for them to add a blood knight boss at some point for this armour to suddenly become completely fine to own
like
it's such an arbitrary distinction
plain violet
Still, you want others races to be blood knight, when a quest at least acknowledge how not everybody is.
subtle oar
Blood Knights are exclusive to Belfs. Period. End of story.
uncut vault
I think there’s a difference between just letting folks use the armor on anyone, vs having story that actively makes them that thing of another race
plain violet
It's like the tabard, offered only to BE paladins in a BC quest.
harsh wedge
There's a difference between a random drop from TBC, and a reward for a questline that is dedicated to that race/class combo
tepid fiber
This is specifically a thing just for blood elves
uncut vault
I’m fine with the former, because it’s already built for those races anyways and who cares if someone wants to play dress up for RP
deep pawn
I mean you can't use any other race's heritage set in game now
subtle oar
I mean you can't use any other race's heritage set in game now
As it should be.
rain cave
but it isn't a heritage set
subtle oar
It is
uncut vault
Yes, but that’s because the sets are solely built for one race
The sets physically do not work right on others
subtle oar
The enitre questline is a continuation of the Belf heritage quest
plain violet
Yup, letting others races having a race specific story would be hurtful in the long term. Especially quests that are dedicated to what you are and play, so, a BE paladin.
rain cave
to acknowledge them as that race
this quest is open to everyone
since it's important to the story
you just have to be exalted with silvermoon so liadryn comes to you as an ally
uncut vault
I’m not in favor of giving Tauren or Zandalari quests to become a blood knight in canon or anything, but I’m fine with the armor already built for them just being available somewhere else
Belf paladins don’t have a monopoly on the Antorus set 😛
rain cave
^
deep pawn
"Blood Elves can start a quest to earn a new mount, weapon appearance, and the Blood Knight armor set for Blood Elf Paladins by speaking to Liadrin in Oribos. Requirements: Level 60 and Exalted with Silvermoon."
subtle oar
I’m not in favor of giving Tauren or Zandalari quests to become a blood knight i...
No. No one else but Belves should be allowed to have Blood Knight armor.
deep pawn
If non blood elves can do the quest right now that is a bug
uncut vault
No. No one else but Belves should be allowed to have Blood Knight armor.
You should get mad at the Cata devs then
rain cave
No. No one else but Belves should be allowed to have Blood Knight armor.
nobody but scarlet crusade should have scarlet crusade armour
same logic
uncut vault
Because Tauren have been able to use the original blood knight set since they gained paladins haha
subtle oar
nobody but scarlet crusade should have scarlet crusade armour
Scarlet crusades not a race... and also has non-humans
plain violet
I’m not in favor of giving Tauren or Zandalari quests to become a blood knight i...
Like that we can understand.
It's like the zandalaris armors from BFA. It's ok.
But one from a quest that state how it is because of a certain combo? Well, for a certain combo.
uncut vault
It doesn’t make them IC blood knights
And 99% of people will use it on belfs anyways
tepid fiber
Oh ffs
rain cave
with it's own culture
subtle oar
LMFAO
subtle oar
Omfg xD
rain cave
apparently the scarlet crusade is just a list you're on
subtle oar
This has gone Alex Jones levels of off the deep end.
rain cave
they don't have practices
and common themes
not at all
I think you're just being a bit oblivious, but it's fine man nw
I just think we should get more customizations you have to earn
deep pawn
and it's a bit different when you go and murder people and take the gear off their corpses. 😄
rain cave
and it's a bit different when you go and murder people and take the gear off the...
yeah it's arguably worse
why would you wear the bad guys armour?
subtle oar
I just think we should get more customizations you have to earn
Yes, but not race-specific stuff being available for non-members of that race
❤️
rain cave
when you could represent the organisation you work for
tepid fiber
Welcome to hell
Yeah I'm audi. At a certain point it's just better to recognize when someone is unwilling to concede to being wrong
rain cave
it being blood elf specific isn't race specific technically
it's literally just region specific
subtle oar
it being blood elf specific isn't race specific technically
.... LMFAO
harsh wedge
It is race specific
upper pasture
it being blood elf specific isn't race specific technically
Wut
tepid fiber
They renamed their race
rain cave
high elves still exist though
and void elves
blood knights are just a practice done by a subsect of the high elven race
upper pasture
Yeah Italians don’t exist, we’re all just white people wym
rain cave
what?
uncut vault
Funnily, Sylvanas actually does refer to them as Quel’dorei post-Arthas during TBC in the recent novel lol
plain violet
Oh, that's a funny lapsus. Or where she not agreeing with Kael'thas?
rain cave
a normal high elf can become a blood knight
plain violet
Not really...
uncut vault
She does agree with him
harsh wedge
Can they now ?
plain violet
Political differences not really allow it.
uncut vault
She was in part one of the inspirations for the name, with her banshee song haha
rain cave
politics schmolitics
subtle oar
a normal high elf can become a blood knight
No.
rain cave
every high elf is actually offered pilgrimage and safety
to the sunwell
stands to reason high elves can join them to
plain violet
Quel'dorei and blood elves are not really in a good relationship and quel'dorei can just say "hey, Im gonna train with you"
rain cave
that they can do it
plain violet
Yes, as a pilgrimage to see it, not to live in Quel'thalas.
plain violet
They are not welcome to stay
This.
rain cave
yeah but what if that high elf just goes
"yeah can I join you guys"
there's no racial difference really
subtle oar
Alleria was allowed to pilgrimage to the Sunwell, but was banished for causing the Void to Invade the sanctum
plain violet
You mean, what the high elves precisely refused and why they still keep the name?
plain violet
High elves did not rest in Quel'thalas because they were not okay with what was happening.
rain cave
it's more akin to somebody going back to their home country after a few generations of emigration and wanting to reconnect
which is
a real thing
deep pawn
It's not even that. The division wasn't that long ago for Elves.
harsh wedge
But you were talking about taurens and such becoming blood knight, not high elves
plain violet
I can understand the subtext of it, and the difficulty, except for now, the decision of the high elves were especially to not being blood elves, and the decision is pretty recent.
Yeah, you are a bit jumping back and forth...
deep pawn
I'm sure there are some of the blue eyes that have returned to Quel'thalas now that they aren't constantly feeding off fel magic
rain cave
^
harsh wedge
But this is a totally different debate - they were once the same nation
plain violet
I'm sure there are some of the blue eyes that have returned to Quel'thalas now t...
Oooh, it's totally that. But blue elves =/= quel'dorei.
... Big Saint you clearly don't know what you are talking about. x)
Kyle was talking of the purification, what WOTLK stated.
harsh wedge
Can a tauren just walk to the sunwell and say yo can i be a blood knight
plain violet
How, with time, the eyes would dissipate and becoming again like before.
plain violet
He was not talking that high elves were coming back in Quel'thalas, as we know they refused that when Lor'themar attempted.
deep pawn
Did ALL refuse, or just like Vereesa's faction?
I didn't even imply many, just I'm sure some have
plain violet
Did ALL refuse, or just like Vereesa's faction?
It seem that all refused, even the ones isolated on the lodge near Quel'thalas.
They "politely" told Lor'themar to f off.
deep pawn
could be some distrust still then. Kael'thas was pretty bad during the division.
plain violet
Yeah, it seem like it, that high elves just have no really confiance.
The "worst" thing is that currently, high elves are Alliance, Blood elves Horde...
And well... when Quel'thalas is Horde territory.
deep pawn
I still don't blame the Blood Elves at all for that haha. Sacked by a human prince, then abandoned by other humans.
plain violet
Yeah, what's interesting with their story is that their attitude is understandable.
Really tragic one...
deep pawn
Them joining the Horde when Sylvanas and the Forsaken extended a hand is one of the most believable parts of the story.
plain violet
And the treasons they suffer during the 1-20 questline when they still attempt to contact a bit the Alliance is perfect.
Yuuup.
deep pawn
If the outsiders all refused to come back I guess that's it, but I still wouldn't be shocked if one or two went back.
plain violet
Yup but we would need IG examples to help us a bit with that.
In the same time, high elves are not that numerous...
deep pawn
Only Alleria and a the very few void elves that canonically exist would be banned.
I think last time they discussed numbers High Elves numbered maybe in the 100s?
Void Elves are technically under 100 I think.
Really depends on how much they let Blood Elves and High Elves "convert"
tepid fiber
more reasons there should be account limits on how many elves you can have imo
deep pawn
I have one blood elf and one void elf, neither are female cause I can't stand how skinny they are.
upper pasture
I have one blood elf and one void elf, neither are female cause I can't stand ho...
Funny enough I just changed my male BE to female last night because I was tired of looking at him
dense plover
arent some of the void elves former blood elves?
so their numbers are actually higher than high elves?
harsh wedge
They should
plain violet
~~more reasons there should be account limits on how many elves you can have imo...
Ahah.
harsh wedge
Was a mix of both if i'm not mistaken
dense plover
like the whole void elf story is about how a group of blood elves were doing research they werent supposed to and stuff went wrong
plain violet
arent some of the void elves former blood elves?
Well all void elves were blood elves in the scenario.
dense plover
and they were kicked out of silvermoon so they sought out the alliance
plain violet
Like, really, just the blood elves students who followed Umbric.
dense plover
and alleria vouched for them
but its very possible that high elves or blood elves who wanted to join the alliance or believed in the void elf stuff couldve joined them after
plain violet
Kicked out, exiled, doing busy, Alleria find them, they are corrupted, and Umbric go "okay, Alliance then"
We have seen HIgh elves in Telogrus.
deep pawn
The void elf cult itself was very small. That said it's implied in the starting area that Blood and High elves could become void elves if they sought the power
plain violet
Sadly, no quest explain if they can reproduce the ritual.
Yup.
But a interview said they search to see if they can reproduce the ritual, but cannot at the time.
So... yeah, it's terribly small.
plain violet
It's understandable blood elves and high elves are "secure" in Telogrus to study.
Yup.
For now if they can't spread, that's like... just a classroom.
That is really funny when we think about it...
Like a school trip that gone Eldritchy wrong.
deep pawn
The few that exist are extremely powerful and definitely have different morals.
I can see Turalyon letting Alleria do the dirty work so he can stay "pure"
plain violet
Yuuuup, totally this. They totally harness the void, that itself is powerful, without adding their other class (mage, warlock, hunt, etc).
We have seen in Zandalar that they are not against rezzing dinosaurs with void to induce psychological warfare.
So, indeed, a dirty work... This and assassination, with the void portals.
deep pawn
I still hated that quest sooo much
Like I miss Varian. He'd have killed Umbric had he heard.
plain violet
Ahah, that's a whole turn.
tepid fiber
Knievel wouldn't take that jump
deep pawn
assuming he found out.
I don't know if Anduin ever learned how Umbric treated the ambassadors
tepid fiber
If anything, Varian would appreciate their control of chaos with discipline
Especially considering the whole Lo'gosh thing
deep pawn
I just don't see him attacking diplomats or being okay with it
tepid fiber
Other than him fighting foreign dignitaries from a recently discovered continent, usually resulting in getting punched in the face
@subtle oar
subtle oar
owo
subtle oar
<@366849435336048641>
You rang?
tepid fiber
Other than him fighting foreign dignitaries from a recently discovered continent...
@subtle oar https://youtu.be/_IVtaUrhLuY
subtle oar
XDDDD
rain cave
Don't forget when Varian was just really hot headed in general during wrath
And being faction petty to a point of detriment, despite him working with horde people in the past as basically friends?
deep pawn
To be fair, he just wanted someone to hit him. We indulged a kink haha
deep pawn
fun post, void elves are a distant third on alliance.
about a year old now but I doubt things changed that much
but that is skewed by Night Elf DH and Druids
rain cave
impressive considering they have some of the world melee animations
blood and void elves that is
I wanted to play a void elf DK for a bit but then Shadowlands prepatch hit and they reverted a bunch of custom melee animations back to the racial ones on DK for some reason
so now I just don't want to play them because I have to watch him do some twirly ballerina shit everytime I press frost strike
instead of the custom animation frost strike had back in bfa...
dense plover
so
the CDN on the website says the next expansion is dragonflight
this is 100% an internal name but the dragon isles prediction is essentially set in stone now
rain cave
link?
subtle oar
These next two weeks are when we will get a true leak if one does happen
Because third parties who dont have the best security
dense plover
link?
go to https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/dragonflight then press f12
in the debug thingy find cdn.optimizely.com
then click the thing thats a bunch of numbers under index or something
its the internal name with product ids
we dont know anything else tho
the product ids arent in the shop yet
rain cave
so it's called dragonflight?
dense plover
and theres no info on the expac itself
internal name
we dont know for sure
those variables can be renamed or kept the same
rain cave
would be weird if they're still using an internal name if reveal is just in two weeks
unless this is old
and just been lying around
was it like this for previous xpacs?
a test name on their page
mossy meteor
dense plover
those things are filled with variables
mossy meteor
might be real
rain cave
they added a belly cover though
dense plover
they did, but they exposed her boobs
rain cave
like they did with sylvanas
dense plover
which is weirder
rain cave
hm
dense plover
im gonna browse google and see if its existing fanart
lean yew
How did they come up with the leak so fast after we found "dragonflight" is my question
why not leak it 3 days ago
before anyone saw the cdn
mossy meteor
i think it's real
i hope the name isn't final though
dragonflights would be an improvement
dense plover
they couldve edited in the name after finding out if they already had the art
mossy meteor
ie - legion/shadowlands
rain cave
I'm wondering if they're pivoting to smaller overall expansions in general
like
if we get a different model going forward
dense plover
no chance
rain cave
unless they go very out of the box with this one
and pull a bunch of interesting lore into existence
which I do also hope for
like if this is a pandaria for dragons
in terms of new feel
I could definetly see this being a misdirect though
even if it's like a tease
dense plover
well fuck me - that might be a legit image
rain cave
we did just have april fools, what if this was put up on april fools and people just caught it at the tail end
dense plover
i cant find alexstrasza looking like that anywhere
rain cave
the staff is the thing
dense plover
we did just have april fools, what if this was put up on april fools and people ...
but then why the CDN
dense plover
alexstasza is the head of the dragonflights
rain cave
ik
dense plover
its not unreasonable to retheme
rain cave
yeah but that's what I'm saying is that the staff is new
fan art might not have it
because it's a new design
sonic flame
holy shit
tall flume
did it already get removed? im not finding that file in the sources
sonic flame
YES, ALEXTRASZA COME TO ME
tall flume
the cdn isnt being loaded
mossy meteor
rain cave
the images were deleted
mossy meteor
Similarly, the code points to a new though currently inaccessible URL, which would be expected for a new expansion launch: dragonflight.blizzard.com.
oh dear
i still hope it's not the actual name
dense plover
well shit, that might be the legit name
and thats our bolvar
well - im glad we are getting the expac we shouldve gotten
this adds to my theory that people outside of blizz know and are under NDA
mossy meteor
can't wait for people to claim that they were right
dense plover
because there was a streamer who bought 2 million in stock a week ago
and that set off my "insider trading" alarm
dense plover
that was one of those NSFW streamers
it still seems suspiciously timed
amouranth is a very connected streamer
rain cave
unless he's like, very bottom line part of a licensed company in denmark
the guy who posted the image is not the kind of person I could imagine working for blizz
mossy meteor
yeah
dense plover
its very possible that someone told her there are important expac features people have been waiting for and she saw an opportunity
she said she bought it for the microsoft acquisition but thats over a year away
it doesnt add up
i legit think this is a case of insider trading
and blizz's stock is going to go up when they announce some of the anticipated features for 10.0
mossy meteor
suspiciously, elizabeth warren also called for other senators + the FTC to raise awarness against the deal
saying that "the workers rights will be worse if it goes through"
dense plover
warren is more talking about the fact that the workers are currently trying to unionize and this could stop that
which is a reasonable point
mossy meteor
Twitter
rain cave
whilst true, I've heard microsoft probably wouldn't tolerate the kind of abuse in their staff that blizzard had.
dense plover
yeah sanders specifically talked about unionization efforts
rain cave
since their strategy is moreso, "throw money at and treat studios well, create quality products for niches and then hook people into our platform that way"
dense plover
its about the fact that if the merger goes through the workers cant say they want certain things because microsoft is going to rearrange everything anyway
rain cave
instead of, "we must slavedrive everyone for sales"
dense plover
it destroys the power of a union
deep pawn
I mean have you seen her HotS model for Alex? Them thighs
dense plover
especially because a union doesn't necessarily follow when a buyout occurs.
deep pawn
And I'm not straight and I recognize those thighs.
dense plover
not to mention that while i want kotick gone, this merger is bad for the industry
i still expect it to go through, but more games publishers is a good thing
rain cave
i still expect it to go through, but more games publishers is a good thing
tbf activison wasn't doing much publishing that I'm aware of
mossy meteor
monopolisation
mossy meteor
well it's a worry nonetheless
rain cave
even if you combine microsoft and activisions gaming revenue
they're still 3rd place after sony
mossy meteor
given MSFT's purchases in the recent years
rain cave
and tencent
dense plover
its not about revenue
rain cave
tencent is the monopoly you shoud worry about
dense plover
and tencent
tencent doesnt own any of the companies
mossy meteor
not much the US can do against tencent
dense plover
they own percentages, not controlling shares
rain cave
tencent owns quite a lot
mossy meteor
they're just ~investors~
dense plover
they're just ~investors~
technically this
the merger is a potential monopoly because ActiBlizz is a major publisher/developer group, especially in the mobile market
rain cave
and microsoft isn't
dense plover
fewer companies = less competition which is worse for the consumer
rain cave
(in the mobile market)
dense plover
you should never support a merger
theres no reason a consumer should support a merger
rain cave
this is microsoft expanding into markets they haven't already, as opposed to buying competitors in established markets
dense plover
they are always bad for the consumer
deep pawn
I mean is ANYONE shocked at Dragons?
rain cave
that's why I don't see it as a monopolistic move
mossy meteor
no, Kyle
rain cave
I support the merger since I want kotick out, and blizzard to just be allowed to do their own thing
and microsofts eco system seems to want to do that
dense plover
that's why I don't see it as a monopolistic move
its a monopolistic move in regards to major game developers. call of duty is a lot of users, imagine if all those people suddenly HAD to have a microsoft account
mossy meteor
in Microsoft's eyes it's not a ~monopolistic move~ because they'll still be #3
dense plover
I support the merger since I want kotick out, and blizzard to just be allowed to...
thats ignorant
mossy meteor
behind tencent and sony
rain cave
aye @mossy meteor
mossy meteor
but if you look at what Microsoft bought in the last 5-10 years..
dense plover
you can push for kotick to leave without a merger
dense plover
but if you look at what Microsoft bought in the last 5-10 years..
so much this