Think they managed to grab it because it was part of the 9.2.5 PTR lol
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ancient jasper
ancient jasper
At this point I wouldn't expect it, honestly.
glass flicker
I would. They're making us go back to BfA, Legion and even WoD for m+, so surely they're looking to recycle content. Right?
What other content to recycle than the mage tower, Brawler's Guild and Visions of N'zoth?
Single player content that is.
cosmic beacon
See it less of recycling content, more of how it should have been in the first place
solid vapor
It’s recycling content. And I’m so happy for it
15 years worth of content
Just lying around
cosmic beacon
Like going to another patch or expansion shouldn’t make all previous activities useless in endgame, I want to be able to redo the raids and be rewarded viable gear, or do mechagon again like I did in bfa
cosmic beacon
I hope it continues with stuff like this
solid vapor
Same
cosmic beacon
Let us do a tonne more shit in endgame, idc if it’s old content it’s better than nothing but current
cosmic beacon
Ye towelie said something like that
And I really hope it is
The changes are looking promising for future content, maybe it’s copium 
solid vapor
Nah it is
They are trying for once
Wether this mentality will last or not
Is the real question
upper pasture
listen, be hopeful for the future. if you aren't why even be here watching content unfold
solid vapor
Granted my main worry right now isn’t even the game
The damn raids
They are getting way to hard for their own good. Can’t stand doing any of em on normal anymore
cosmic beacon
cosmic beacon
They are getting way to hard for their own good. Can’t stand doing any of em on ...
Tru, but I quite enjoyed doing normal, usually it’s just free early gear, which it kinda is up to anduin and lords which takes some effort
It’s just annoying asf with pugs
solid vapor
Normal is some thing I just do when I got free time and want to do something
Relax too
cosmic beacon
Ye ig
Which tbh it will be with 2 Legos and being able to actually get tier reliably
solid vapor
Wow raiding in general has gotten worse over the years with that. Addons are needed now for most fights and it reflects on the mentality of groups
With normal I just want to hope in and have a good time.
cosmic beacon
Not pugged it a lot but only thing I see being needed is the WA for lords
But even as a guild you use that
maybe I’m miss interpreting
solid vapor
I don’t like wow design for raids have addons in mind to make up for some bass stuff
Addons allow complex stuff to exist
I’m not against hard raids in general
cosmic beacon
Ye makes sense, I’ve never had an issue with it but I get your point
solid vapor
What I’m annoyed at is thag normal, the mode for casual players like me still need these addons for these complicated encounter due to addons
Which given the recent feed back, I have a feeling they are going to dum down normal a bit for the next tier. But who knows
cosmic beacon
What I’m annoyed at is thag normal, the mode for casual players like me still ne...
Fair point
solid vapor
Honestly a good way to fix this in general is designing raids to have value no matter tier
Which
Is kinda happening
cosmic beacon
There are like 3 proper difficulties for raids so there isn’t a need to over complicate normal especially since pugging is very common
solid vapor
Since raids is getting affixes
cosmic beacon
Loved nathria, sod could have looked cooler tho
I hope the affix for sod is removing fatescribe
solid vapor
Did they drop a .5 date yet?
cosmic beacon
Not from what I’ve seen
Would be a wowhead post already
But ptr is still rolling so I can’t imagine it taking long
Maybe news on it same day as expansion announcement?
Feel like that maybe too far away tho
upper pasture
maybe a date after april 19th?
solid vapor
Also
The ending to judgement
Probably the best ending they could do
At least for shadowlands
deep pawn
I haven't felt a strong desire to do any raid since MoP and WoD
simple patrol
So is Sylvie condemned to stay in the maw even after she rescues all the souls?
"until only you remain and my people"
deep pawn
So is Sylvie condemned to stay in the maw even after she rescues all the souls?
Nah, it's a very Illidan situation. She's there until they need her again.
simple patrol
Nah, it's a very Illidan situation. She's there until they need her again.
Let's hope it's after 15 expansions.
Sylvanas as a character was good in the early days of wow, dunno how they were able to fuck up so bad
tepid fiber
Multiple writers with multiple story directors for an RTS character featured in an MMO
Nobody is winning any Pulitzers
simple patrol
at least they did something right at the end (kind of)
glass flicker
I think it would've been better if she was sent to Revendreth from the start. And only became a random appearance in Torghast, where we would see her running solo.
Imagine that. And we may interact with her on unique occasions, where we can either compliment her work or bully her.
Maybe have her saying something like "This is redemption enough. Leave me be."
And if we keep bullying her, she attacks us for 1 damage and leaves.
terse patrol
Did anyone else see the semi-promising leak on MMO Champ?
From back in February.
Thought it was silly, until this PTR.
Why would anyone think a Winters Veil themed dungeon was coming? Then. . . they added that WIP sleigh mount.
<_<
And had Khadgar and Jaina meet up for a chat, who the leak says is being paired up for a questline in 10.0
Leak above.
Could be fake, but the Winters Veil mount was so out of the blue that its weird.
cunning fossil
So it's more like Pandaren then,
Hmm
Racial mount is a transform into a drake (updated Vanilla models & without saddle) that can carry a party member on their back.
Lmao no qat
No way that's happening
2 Raids at 10.0. (First one has 6 bosses while the second one has 9)
2 Raids at launch that aren't 6 bosses or less?
Lmao
cunning fossil
Sorry I don't mean to trash on your theory at all but this seems INCREDIBLY unlikely
Why is everyone on Cope lmao. Like bruh, the Expac was never gonna go through Alpha -> Beta -> Launch in 6 months or less
cunning fossil
Enough venting from me though.
I wanna see Night Elf Pallids
cunning fossil
Yeah hard to see that hapoening
Unless we get like
Evil paladins
Which could be cool
upper pasture
yeah anti-paladins where have we seen those before
urban spire
Well iirc we had 2 raids at launch for legion and wod they just opened the second one up later
Highmaul and brf and emerald and night hold
But they were in the game on release
subtle oar
Let's hope it's after 15 expansions.
Let's hope not. Definitely a lot sooner.
subtle oar
I think it would've been better if she was sent to Revendreth from the start. An...
Nope c:
hard pagoda
what if they removed Undeads from Horde cities etc and we became their "enemies" somehow?
I mean Im mainly playing undead chars 😄
"Many Forsaken have been removed from Orgrimmar"
plain violet
I think that's more because they finally have reclaimed a home.
strange falcon
Why is everyone on Cope lmao. Like bruh, the Expac was never gonna go through Al...
Look at where you're posting this
upper pasture
Could be fake, but the Winters Veil mount was so out of the blue that its weird.
that WV mount is probably just what were getting this year or next year as a present. theres no WV dungeon coming, i dont see how its hard to understand that
soft flower
An xmas themed dungeon would be so awesome
dense plover
An xmas themed dungeon would be so awesome
could we not though? not everyone celebrates christmas
winter dungeon, eh - seasonal dungeon? sure why not, but idk we already have holiday boss fight things and theyre kinda shit
working on content that you can only play during certain times is a waste of resources
ancient jasper
So you're also against stuff like the Mage Tower?
soft flower
Holiday and events like timewalking are fun af
upper pasture
I mean seasonal holidays do need a rework but they also should wait until the game is in a good spot to work on things that are only available for a few weeks a year
deep pawn
They used to add stuff to holidays yearly. It's only recent they cut back on that. I think it's a good sign if they're putting effort into them again
A kun lai quest for Winters veil sounds awesome.
dense plover
So you're also against stuff like the Mage Tower?
Mage tower isn’t seasonal anymore and also was existing content, not new content
languid yoke
working on content that you can only play during certain times is a waste of res...
gw2 moment
rain cave
> Void Elf Paladin
arator could potentially become the first
since there's the nzoth vision of alleria going crazy and getting arator kidnapped
if that ever comes to pass in some form, I could see him becoming void scarred
but still being a paladin
it would work well for his arc as well
glass flicker
What arc? Arator is just sort of there most of the time, as a bystander.
No word is spoken of his undead, genocidal aunt, and nothing of his parents outside of Antorus.
young latch
it would work well for his arc as well
It could work maybe
It’s just that the light based spells would need to become void flavored
rain cave
What arc? Arator is just sort of there most of the time, as a bystander.
I could definetly see him being part of the future team
rain cave
It’s just that the light based spells would need to become void flavored
power of the dark side artifact trait did that well for disc
but yeah I feel like if not next xpac, xpac after that
arator new model
and he becomes important
glass flicker
A new team, eh?
I kinda see it.
Arator, the party healer, Taelia, the party fighter, Flynn or Shaw, the party rogue, etc.
rain cave
phase out the old guard as the people on the ground we go on adventures with
bring in new people who they'd also feel more open to killing off should the need arise
Arator, Taelia, Voss
glass flicker
They are open to killing characters if they can be resurrected.
Sylvanas in Silverpine comes to mind.
Otherwise, cattle.
They won't kill important characters off so easily.
rain cave
yeah
I was wondering if they'd kill thrall off this xpac
but looks like they're afraid of killing anyone
literally no final raid bosses "died" this xpac
denathrius, escaped
Sylvanas lived
and jailer is just unplugged
glass flicker
And Zovaal turned off.
rain cave
yeah
glass flicker
Yea.
rain cave
lmao
funny how the xpac where they emphasize the end of a story that everyone already thought ended in wrath
is also the xpac afraid to end the story for its characters within it
rain cave
yes
glass flicker
Everyone forgot this tiny detail.
rain cave
the dreadlords are so good at deception they will kill eachother in the twisting nether too
just to keep appearances up
thanks lothraxion
unless they're bluffing with him
and he's not actually the spy in the light
glass flicker
I mean, the Dreadlords are confusing AF.
Why would the Lich King want them dead if they work for the same master?
Need some clarification here.
rain cave
because lich king managed to resist the jailers influence somewhat
glass flicker
But Ner'zhul wanted them dead.
upper pasture
I was about to say the jailer didn’t have complete control over arthas LK and even less control over Ner’zhul
glass flicker
Not Arthas' will or Bolvar.
rain cave
also at the start the lich king was still pretending to be a pawn of the legion
glass flicker
See, this is what happens when you attribute twenty years of lore to one character added way later.
upper pasture
With every LK he got “better” until with anduin he just controlled him directly
rain cave
for zovaal my man
glass flicker
I'm tired of gigabrain Zovaal. We hit his ankles to death, he's not that smart.
upper pasture
Idk man, it’s a story and that’s how they chose to tell it
glass flicker
Could have destroyed/dominated us anytime.
Instead he shows up in Haven and goes "this place is of no consequence"
glass flicker
Bitch, that's why we beat you!
glass flicker
we have keyboards
Mind Control is an in-game mechanic.
upper pasture
I mean, Primus theory kinda makes all the jailers “faults” understandable because it furthers the empowerment of the primus
glass flicker
Imagine if the Primus was the big bad all along.
rain cave
the primus theory is interesting but I think all it does is point out the original plot
before rewrites
upper pasture
But that would be a big dream if true
rain cave
I do however, think that that primus may be an enemy in the future
upper pasture
Imagine if the Primus was the big bad all along.
That’s pretty much the Primus theory
glass flicker
We don't see him in Zovaal's flashback. We see him wear Domination runes on his robes, and perfect Domination with each patch.
Until he makes the Crown of Wills and holds onto it.
He sends us everywhere, and stuff.
upper pasture
I’d recommend going to read the theory my guy
glass flicker
And crafts our legendaries.
upper pasture
He made domination magic too
glass flicker
Yea.
upper pasture
So
glass flicker
And he was smart about it too.
rain cave
I reckon zovaal was originally actually fairly reasonable, and that's why he got caught originally. He went to the others with his concerns and plans, and they punished him for it.
after being dominated, he lost his sense of self, his emotions. He became the cartoonish villain BECAUSE of the domination making him like that, like anduin says it felt.
glass flicker
Rather than having the runes in his flesh, he put them on his robes.
upper pasture
If you haven’t I’d recommend (again) going to read that theory cause even if it isn’t true it’s very interesting
glass flicker
rain cave
he kept the original intention, but because he was dominated for ages, he lost his compassion
young latch
Imagine if the Primus was the big bad all along.
I want it to be true lmao
rain cave
it also fits with why domination stopped working on him
he is thematically a husk
his OG model, empty, grey
there's nothing LEFT to dominate
glass flicker
Automaton.
glass flicker
I mean you can still dominate the husk.
rain cave
an intent
glass flicker
Just keep that in Goldshire or a NSFW subreddit.
young latch
It’s so much more insidious if it’s the primus
rain cave
there's no personality or soul left in him after the domination sucked it out of him
glass flicker
Makes sense he was boring, then.
rain cave
I'm still so confused why primus wasn't shown in that final cinematic
like what are they hiding
or is it just
glass flicker
Model limitations?
rain cave
"didn't want to make a model lol"
upper pasture
He was in there just not shown he was chaining up the jailer but why not show him? Saving money on a model or something else. Only time will tell
rain cave
I'm just imaginging if
he's not actually the OG primus, the runecarver was just a guy
but then the maldraxxus sigil gave him the primus's memories
like I don't think it's actually a thing
but
I'd find it funny
he just thinks he's the primus
glass flicker
It's all part of his master plan. He dominates Zovaal and goes regularly to the Maw to check on him, and Zovaal one day dominates him instead.
glass flicker
I would like a skinnier final villain, and the Primus is not exactly a hulking mass of CHAD.
young latch
Oh serious question: what belf gear was datamined? Just a helmet so far?
glass flicker
I think it may be a full Antorus recolor in Blood Knight colors.
young latch
Ooooh 👀
I can’t decide on being full blood knight or winter queen tree bark armor with my belf pally
glass flicker
I refuse to wear plate most of the time, and opt for cosmetic gear.
young latch
If we get spell breaker shields I’ll have to go silvermoon mode again
rain cave
Praying for subclasses next xpac
Extra talent tree / abilities for every class independent of spec
Maybe spellbreaker for warrior as one?
Commander, with buffs?
Time magic for mage
young latch
Praying for subclasses next xpac
I want it very badly! Spell customization pls
rain cave
Give demon hunters a 2h subclasse
Focusing around souls
Like that one NPC in legion with the scythe
That was extremely obviously their representing NPC for a canned 3rd spec
glass flicker
Arcane mage spell shield tank when
Cloth tank?
Here's one. Gladiator Warrior. A DPS with offtank potential. Main damage ability, Cruel Strike: Strike the target causing weapon damage and inflicting Struck with Cruelty, increasing CC effects by 3% per application.
young latch
Here's one. Gladiator Warrior. A DPS with offtank potential. Main damage ability...
Oh i like. I want more class designs involved with cc.
cosmic beacon
Please no more cc
glass flicker
cosmic beacon
I will have a mental, spiritual and physical breakdown if WoW gets more cc
glass flicker
I'm imagining a tank focused around stunning targets and kiting as a means of defense, rather than soaking everything thrown against their board and body.
cosmic beacon
Would be awkward to impliment
glass flicker
Yeah.
young latch
Tanks 2 boring, pls rethink their roles in the game
glass flicker
I can think of a fun couple of abilities for Gladiator Warrior.
Bolas: ranged slow on a short cooldown, roots players afflicted with 3 stacks of Struck with Cruelty.
Ooh, this spec could even be the chance to introduce 1H spears into the game.
Stick and board, let's go.
Yea, imagine every class with an unique weapon.
I mean, DH already has that.
Actually, now that I think about it...
DK could have Runeblades instead of generic weapon types.
rain cave
I think giving tanks more group buffing would be nice
Like if we dragged some of the commander subclass ideas to prot for warrior
Improved rallying cry
glass flicker
That sounds fun.
rain cave
Maybe a self misdirect
glass flicker
Imagine macroing your shouts with /yell something rude.
glass flicker
/cast Commanding Shout
/yell STACK UP, FUCKSTICKS, I'M BUFFING
rain cave
Or if you want to go full whack
Give them a buff that when it expires it shoots out and they have to go collect it again
glass flicker
Imagine another raidwide damage cooldown akin to Timewarp, but giving 15% damage instead.
rain cave
But also give them a talent where they can place a remote taunt
glass flicker
Let's call it Victorious Shout
rain cave
Like putting their shield down forcing the boss to attack it
rain cave
Then you can intervene to the ally nearest the dropped buff
Grab it
Charge back
Pick up your shield
glass flicker
I'm trying to think of more class weapons for new specs.
Maybe dual pistols for Gunslinger hunters.
rain cave
2h for enhance
rain cave
Lol not enhance
Enhance has to dual wield for certain main abilities
Give priest sword so they can larp as anduin
Lol
Demon hunters 2h sword, axe and polearm
glass flicker
Sylvanas: da
Anduin: What was that, Sylvie? Did you just say dada? Say dada.
Sylvanas: DEATH!
Anduin: um, dada
Sylvanas: DOMINATION!
cunning fossil
Would be nucr to give Anduij more character than Holy Light Boi yeag
Andiin deserves more than just suffering for the past 6 years
His dad died, he had to take up a Mantle he wasn't ready for and barely got to more, he witnessed the start of a world war,, saw a good friend get killed, made tough decisions that disappointed many people despite being reasonable, and then he got tortured and enslaved
Totally normal for an 18 year old to experience
Oh and he's never gotten a kiss other than from his Aunt perhaps
uncut vault
he's 19 as of Shadowlands
strange falcon
Totally normal for an 18 year old to experience
Anime protagonists be like:
young latch
Does wrathion even have a consistent canon age or is he a teenager just pretending to look like a 30 year old?
strange falcon
Both at the same time,
Schroedingers age
uncut lintel
i wont lie when he first came on screen in bfa my jaw dropped x_x
blizzard cant write a story but they sure can make a man look good x_x
cosmic beacon
Wrathion is able to make foxy forget she’s lesbian
uncut lintel
its not nsfw if i didnt post anything nsfw
also when is 9.2.5
9.2 is boring i already have everything i wanted
cosmic beacon
When feral gets good
cosmic beacon
9.2.5 is year of the uhhh fang?
They will do good aoe
And that will be the selling point of the patch
strange falcon
also when is 9.2.5
3 months maybe?
uncut lintel
true bcuz they are shitty looking 
strange falcon
You still pay for them and have every store mount, so why put effort in, if they gonna get the same money with less effort?
uncut lintel
except jelly cat, now im getting that one
strange falcon
Ez
cosmic beacon
What druids? I mean ye if you look at the dps meters
uncut lintel
i just said i cant wait
cosmic beacon
Using I can’t wait in that context makes it sound like you don’t want to spend the money
strange falcon
It was not sarcasm, she was serious
cosmic beacon
That’s the word sarcasm
uncut lintel
im serious
cosmic beacon
It was not sarcasm, she was serious
Hard to tell sometimes with her
uncut lintel
ive been wanting jelly cat for so long
it feels like a life time
would even pay 600 bucks for it
strange falcon
Its another name for dollars
uncut lintel
in america its called bucks
cosmic beacon
Was simply joking
rain cave
slime mount might be the reward for doing the M+ timewalking they're adding
magetower timewalking rewarded the spellbook, another poll mount
my guess is they're sprinkling unique, non-expansion specific rewards into legacy content being remastered
cunning fossil
he's 19 as of Shadowlands
He didn't even celebrate his 18th :(
uncut lintel
@rain cave no
if thats the case then f im never getting it
bcuz its illgeal now to buy boosts
x_x
uncut lintel
:t
:T
literally i hope its anything except content like that, that content is way too hard, what ever happened to casual rewards
expecting me to do 15+ keys
x_x
deep pawn
Store mounts get added fully encrypted so we can't see them
Jelly cat will be something else
rain cave
I mean
M+ isn't difficult
it's moreso a chore to get a group together
WoW doesn't really have much to give you if you don't like doing group content
sorry to say
the games core is ultimately grouped PvE content
if you want something lore related though, there's the new tirisfal event happening in 9.2.5 @uncut lintel
could be that we clean up the blight there as part of that chain
and then we just get a slime catfrom that
uncut lintel
idk
i hope its something easy
im not good at group content ni general, i dont have mic, i worry to much that ima fuck it up for everyone else, so i just skip out on it even if i wanna do it
deep pawn
Raiding is a bigger chore than m+
subtle oar
OK
So
I just heard Galakronds bones have disappeared from Galakronds Fall in Dragonblight on the 9.2.5 ptr
rain cave
I just heard Galakronds bones have disappeared from Galakronds Fall in Dragonbli...
big time rush theme
valid ivy
uncut lintel
I just heard Galakronds bones have disappeared from Galakronds Fall in Dragonbli...
what why
why remove bones
GALAKROND COMING BACK?
young latch
GALAKROND COMING BACK?
mal DRAXUS
tinfoil hat dot jpeg
rain cave
maldraxxus is just a massive dragon corpse
mutated like galakrond was
primus sent us on our way to stop zovaal
then comes to azeroth to collect some bones
revive galakrond, make another draxus
instead of a flying dalaran
there's a massive flying dragon castle
xd
young latch
it's a little bit funny that mal draxxus translates to Bad Dragon
upper pasture
have you thought about all the isles they've added to the game? why would they add another isle? ugh
cosmic beacon
because theres a tonne of open ocean besides the main zones of kalimdor etc
only option is making an isle or a complete other world
uncut lintel
whats wrong with having new zones and stuff
they can always just make the map bigger
subtle oar
UPDATE: The information I heard was incorrect. Galakronds bones are still there.
subtle oar
Nah.
uncut lintel
yeah
rain cave
UPDATE: The information I heard was incorrect. Galakronds bones are still there.
.. for now
visual vortex
So Galakrond, if I remember correctly, is like the bronze Aspect (whatever the blood elf bronze dragons name is) but thousands (?) of years in the future?
cosmic beacon
no that was the last boss of a dungeon
one of the infinite dragon flight
murozand?
harsh wedge
Murozond is Nozdormu in the future (when we fought him in Cataclysm) when he went mad
young latch
galakrond hasn't has a wow appearance yet
visual vortex
Ah I see thank you
subtle oar
So Galakrond, if I remember correctly, is like the bronze Aspect (whatever the b...
Galakrond was a massive Protodrake who was the original user of necromancy on azeroth in the times after the Black Empire was defeated. He became cannibalistic and began eating other protodrakes and began growing and mutating to extreme proportions
Read or listen to Dawn of the Aspects
@visual vortex
visual vortex
Thank you 🙂 I’ll buy it when I have the time 🙂
I’ve been meaning to read more WoW books other than TLG and Arthas
uncut lintel
why does he sound like bellular
visual vortex
😮 that’s gonna make it a lot easier zhejbwbebeeb thank u
uncut lintel
@subtle oar im 1 and a half hour into the vid myself, guy is funny
deep pawn
So blizzard asking about wrath classic
I'll play it if it starts with dual spec and lfg
I'd enjoy being a frost dk tank again
strange falcon
So blizzard asking about wrath classic
It was not a question on IF there was going to be a wrath classic, like it wasnt a question if there was going to be tbc classic
deep pawn
Oh I know. There was never a question it was coming this fall
deep pawn
It'll still be based off the last patch. I just don't see the point in delaying dual spec or lfg.
strange falcon
It'll still be based off the last patch. I just don't see the point in delaying ...
Double dipping sub money
tepid fiber
Did Classic or TBC Classic start with content from the last patch?
deep pawn
Stretch to call either of those things content
tepid fiber
Is that a yes or a no?
strange falcon
To answer your question seriously, both yes and no.
Actual content like raids wasnt in, but QoL fixes, talent adjustments, itemization fixes up to the very last patch were in from the start, day one
deep pawn
It's a toss up honestly. The type of people who really like early classic feel both things ruined WoW, but I felt they were the best things of wrath
subtle oar
Seeing as they gave Alliance Pallys Seal of the Martyr in TBC which wasn't added until Wrath, its safe to say that Dual spec will likely be available from day one
GOD im so fucking excited for Wrath
sonic flame
completely random question
for how powerful galakrond can be, it's still nothing compared to argus the unmaker
correct?
cunning fossil
for how powerful galakrond can be, it's still nothing compared to argus the unma...
Yeah ut's a dragon Vs. A literal Titan
strange falcon
i mean, power levels dont make any sense anymore, we slapped the shit out of the Jailer with just pointy sticks.
at least in bfa and legion we had some extra help to make it make sense
the titans helping us for argus and the dragonball beam for nzoth
austere gazelle
the titans helping us for argus and the dragonball beam for nzoth
We had the crown of wills 🤣
strange falcon
We had the crown of wills 🤣
and we got dominated anyway(see the mindcontrol mechanic for the jailer,idk if mythic only)
so the crown was useless too
cosmic beacon
yea but a dragon is cooler so
idk big half naked muscle man 
austere gazelle
so the crown was useless too
This is a complete mess
uncut lintel
idk big half naked muscle man <:pog:581926895898067037>
yea hes a bitch bcuz he wont drop my fucking red scythe
cosmic beacon
plus galakrond is a prot drake so
cosmic beacon
not as cool as full fledge dragons
uncut lintel
actually
cosmic beacon
yea hes a bitch bcuz he wont drop my fucking red scythe
been killing him on multiple characters since bfa still no drops
uncut lintel
proto drakes are cooler to me
strange falcon
This is a complete mess
don't tell that to the 3 remaining wow content creators, who need their entire room's air to be replaced with copium to rationalize it making sense
cosmic beacon
uncut lintel
so u cant just say feral when i havent toched my main
cosmic beacon
new main?
uncut lintel
LOL NEW MAIN
cosmic beacon
do it
uncut lintel
if ist not a druid its not gonna be a main
expectin me to play a main that cnat be a ct
cat
strange falcon
what am i doing with my life
you know EXACTLY what you're doing with your life, you had the way out, the opportunity to make a new life, but you came back running and chose this life of suffering yourself
cosmic beacon
cnat be a ct
strange falcon
so dont complain
cosmic beacon
uncut lintel
me saying what am i doing with my life is refering to the many runs i did in antorus nto getting a transmog
yeesh
dafire really takes people playing WoW to heart
strange falcon
hey, at least i get to live rent free in your head with that gif
uncut lintel
you live rent free in everyones head
strange falcon
poggers
uncut lintel
LOL
austere gazelle
Could be worse. You could be running torghast forever like sylvanas
glass flicker
Not running Torghast. Just doing the Return Lost Souls quest over and over.
Yes, I know you can complete the quest in Torghast. Torghast shouldn't have infinite souls, though.
uncut lintel
everything should have infinite souls
millions of npcs died so technically its infinite bcuz ppl just keep dying
cosmic beacon
but with pelagos as arbiter when they die their souls arent gonna be in torg or the maw
so there is only finite
deep pawn
Torghast is canonically stuck in the past
young latch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/645993803160748032/895239026175512596/c...
I laugh every time i see this
tepid fiber
Yep. Death, taxes, and dafire shitting on wow
upper pasture
The 3 constants in life 😂
cunning fossil
Lmao
cunning fossil
Yep. Death, taxes, and dafire shitting on wow
The three forgotten cycles of the universe
upper pasture
speaking of taxes thanks for the reminder i need to pay my property tax in 2 days 😦
cunning fossil
speaking of taxes thanks for the reminder i need to pay my property tax in 2 day...
Oof. Hope ou can do it fam
The IRS are the IRL No fun Police
upper pasture
Oh I can do it, I just forgot to lol
subtle oar
Loving the book so far
The im currently at the part where Nathanos and Sylvanas first met
strange falcon
i mean, i would be heavily concerned, if a massive gigafan of sylvanas like you, wouldn't love a book about...sylvanas
subtle oar
XD
upper pasture
Oh I forgot that book actually came out and didn’t get pushed back again lol
upper pasture
Don’t do your taxes
Oh dang too late
I was also uninterested in paying more because it was “late” or the two months late rate so I just paid it before April 1st lol
subtle oar
Man, this book has me in tears
glass flicker
Man, this book has me in tears
That bad, huh?
subtle oar
That bad, huh?
No, just that emotionally gripping during the time her parents are killed
glass flicker
Okay, but why isn't it in game though?
cunning fossil
Okay, but why isn't it in game though?
Because it's a flashback
dense plover
Because wow is bad at storytelling
It’s built off a game style that was bad at storytelling
dense plover
It isn’t FFXIV no matter how much we want it to be
It will never have as many cutscenes or dialogue
cunning fossil
The game is very Rule of Cool
While fine sometimes
It just makes some moments not make sense or conflict with lore
And the lore writers are really quick to stomp out fan interpretations
cunning fossil
It isn’t FFXIV no matter how much we want it to be
I don't even want it to be FF14. I just want it to be like
Not half assed personally
And maybe on a smaller scale
Because they are actually legitimately good at those
dense plover
It’s the fact that story comes after
glass flicker
I would play FFXIV. But apparently, my account is under "suspicious activity"
dense plover
The expansion needs to be designed with story from the ground up
dense plover
So glad I purchased all the expansions.
Open a ticket my dude
glass flicker
I see. Hollow Knight is a game for you.
plain violet
It seem the PTR build is for tomorrow?
glass flicker
I never played a souls game. Anything that requires me to use a controller rather than mouse and keyboard makes me dislike it.
subtle oar
The moment she discovered her lifeless brother, held him and sang Lament of the Highborne....
I'm an emotional wreck
plain violet
It's normal. Death is... pretty traumatic.
cunning fossil
Sylvanas' life is a tragedy
cunning fossil
The cutscenes do need to get better
The one from last week was pretty good idk
glass flicker
Sylvanas sings Lament of the Highborne even when making breakfast, let's be real.
glass flicker
She sung it once we gave her back a necklace.
subtle oar
She sung it once we gave her back a necklace.
Because it reminded her of the family she lost. Lament of the Highborne was her brothers favorite
glass flicker
Sylvanas: finds out Alleria is alive.
Sylvanas: starts singing Lament of the Highborne.
plain violet
Lament of the Highborne is a pretty important and patriotic song yes. It's normal that she was singing it when really touched.
And as said, it's a lament.
deep pawn
anger at how delayed the creation catalyst is is growing.
tepid fiber
"Let me just take a minute here to sing a song" - nobody ever except drama queens
plain violet
As strange as it could sound, one of my ex was actually singing when she was really sad, or wanted to comfort someone.
Generally it was really soft and like a lament, in her dialect. Pretty beautiful to hear too.
glass flicker
I don't know anyone who sings to express their emotions. Life isn't a musical. My mom does dance when she cooks, though.
rain cave
does sylvanas lament in the show
plain violet
Well, everyone have their way of expressing their emotions... After all, artists can use their own suffering, and we know plenty of sad music that serve as catharsis.
Still, dancing when cooking is pretty cool.
glass flicker
My mom's pretty cool, in general.
She has Karen tendencies, but is cool about it rather than making a scene.
rain cave
wait guys
"The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness."
what if this is referring to pelagos
🤔
like in spite of our efforts to make the shadowlands just and fairer, because it breaks the first ones design it will cause undoing
glass flicker
I said that in retail.
rain cave
wew
I don't look there since this is the closest thing to a lore speculation channel
and that's basically all I'm interested in
glass flicker
It could still refer to Turalyon, though. Anduin even hinted at it.
rain cave
yeah it's still most likely turalyon
but it's just interesting how well it fits pelagos
rain cave
lol
dense plover
the problem is turalyon is a zealot
he will make a choice without thinking of the consequences because its what the light says or because its what needs to happen
rain cave
what if that dark ranger questline that takes us to scarlet halls kicks off the turalyon plot proper
glass flicker
It could.
rain cave
find something that might later be traced to him
even if it isn't in the scenario directly
rain cave
you know I would love if they redesigned the scarlet for the 3rd time like that
spanish inquisition types
with the big hats
and added the pointy moustaches as customization options
glass flicker
Oh, my, goodness.
rain cave
that's one aesthetic that's gone unexplored
glass flicker
World of Warcraft: the Scarlet Inquisition.
rain cave
love me some conquistador aesthetic
deep pawn
We are getting a lot of Lordaeron content in 9.2.5
glass flicker
Make Whitemane play a decently large role.
rain cave
We are getting a lot of Lordaeron content in 9.2.5
it's interesting how they're doing that, reminds me of WoD in terms of story relevancy
deep pawn
There's the whole probably fake Calia child out there too
glass flicker
"Hold, Crusaders! I am not an abomination!"
"She is an abomination!"
deep pawn
"a boy!"
glass flicker
Make Whitemane into Lilian Voss 2.5
rain cave
since they're looking at lordaeron after extinguishing arthas
it's like how WoD was draenor (outland) but without illidan
in a very distant way
rain cave
exploring an old place with ties to a specific character but updated and fresh without the need for that characters influence
if that makes sense
deep pawn
I bloody swear if it's time travel
deep pawn
"Kings of the Alliance"
rain cave
he's so rough and hoarse
glass flicker
That already happened.
deep pawn
He is sorta
rain cave
what if he's been on a time adventure, and that's why he's so worn out
he knows what's about to come, evidently
deep pawn
he was aged a ton during the second war
rain cave
I am aware
glass flicker
I'm more inclined to believe we start off in Lordaeron, crown Calia, go to Northrend to check on the Forge of Souls because of Zovaal, and suddenly get called to Wyrmrest Temple.
rain cave
but he is still a mage, and doesn't look too old
deep pawn
It wasn't until WoD they made him all "daddy"
glass flicker
And then we go to the Dragon Isles to sieze Uldis/Uldaz.
And help Azeroth regenerate.
rain cave
I could definitely see them doing a plotline where he's been on an expedition through time, and has returned to us after hundreds of years for himself.
all the choices he's made
the things he's done
kill him off in the pre-patch, but then we continue on with his younger self
that would be whacky
rain cave
give more orcs eyebrows
it looks so strange
but if thrall can have them
why can't anyone else
also I like how orcs have terrible beard genetics
they can only get chin straps
glass flicker
It's a racial common. Orcish males shave their eyebrows so they look more like Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
glass flicker
I can't see orcs having mustaches. They'd have to be like Waluigi's, super thin, supervillain mustaches.
rain cave
I'm down for it
or a moustache that makes use of their new yorker magazine style top lip size
imagine the entire above lip area just covered in stubble
cursed
glass flicker
Omniman stache.
glass flicker
Yes.
rain cave
doesn't mean I don't want it
subtle oar
> "The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only dar...
Definitely Turalyon, especially with this meet up on Anduin and Genn appearing
subtle oar
the problem is turalyon is a zealot
^^^ This ^^^
subtle oar
what if that dark ranger questline that takes us to scarlet halls kicks off the ...
Nah. That'd likely be entirely around Dark Ranger appearance unlocks or related to a Dark Ranger Class. Taliesin just put out a video on it
rain cave
Nah. That'd likely be entirely around Dark Ranger appearance unlocks or related ...
not saying it won't be
I'm just saying it might ALSO be the other thing
or atleast setting it up
subtle oar
Eh. Thing is, we kinda know the basis of the quest already tho.
Velonara's recent DR Recruit ran off to Tirisfall to find their brother and Velonara chases after them.
glass flicker
I don't think they'd do subclasses based on race. At most, they'd add more glyphs. Like, a buttload of glyphs.
At least three for every ability.
Like Chi Lightning has colors for all Celestials.
I want to imagine more glyphs. Don't add more cosmetic systems to justify dark rangers. Just add the red eyes on belf and nelf, and some skin tones are pale enough for it to work.
plain violet
We clearly need more glyphs, and cosmetic.
glass flicker
We clearly need more glyphs, and cosmetic.
Yes, but not by adding more systems. Some people call for "racial themes for classes" when they're not really needed. Make the transmog, get a glyph, good enough.
plain violet
Agree on that part. Making it optional and purely cosmetic.
Like someone want a more "fire" holy spell ? Gotcha.
glass flicker
Alternatively, have unique consumable items. Green fire for warlocks comes to mind.
plain violet
If someone want to play a "normal" paladin, should do. A more "racial" paladin, too.
This one was actually amazing.
Really played on a sense of "upgrade" while still being cosmetic (because lore, green fire is really deadly and really chaos), and letting the player choosing if he use green fire, or red fire.
Really loved also that it changed the icons (some glyphs should do that), and was still in the BFA visual upgrade.
I know it's just a color, but for me it was the world.
glass flicker
I can think of a few glyphs that should either make a return or just be the norm.
Glyph of Jab for Monks. How did they miss this?
glass flicker
What if I want to use my weapon a little as Windwalker?
Basically, Tiger Palm replaced Jab as the Chi generator in Legion.
And Jab was removed.
plain violet
(astral tempest was the one that changed the AOE with a arcane-nature tempest, crazily beautiful and really fitting if your drood is more arcane or fire oriented)
Oh, that was neat. :o
Agree it should be.
glass flicker
Here's another one.
What if I don't want my weapon trails to be blue as Arms warrior?
plain violet
Great exemple!
glass flicker
Execute is red regardless of spec. Just give me a glyph of Bloodied Blade.
plain violet
Green, blue, red, gray... each trail can give a subtext of magic or "effect".
Like how we have a glyph for a fire enrage in Fury, we could get cosmetics giving arcane aura/trails.
glass flicker
Another example: what if I want Execute to keep the Condemn animation?
We don't know what will happen to Condemn after Shadowlands, even though the animation is so goddamn cool.
plain violet
The animation are more tricky I imagine but I do agree on that part. Some animations really make the spell.
For example, the condemn animation is reused for frost DK and that's cool.
plain violet
Huln spear animation was really nice too.
It was a big hack'n'slash, sure, but was better than the Legion artifact one.
Obliterate yes!
glass flicker
That's just the stab animation with a lot of visual effects.
plain violet
Ahaha, yes.
glass flicker
Here's another one that comes to mind. Outlaw rogues.
Give them another goddamn pistol.
My Bloodfang set doesn't match with the gun because I'm all in red and black.
Priscilla Ashvane got an Azerite pistol. Why can't we have that?
plain violet
Should be the same with the crossbow for SV hunter.
But agree on that.
Even "temporary" weapon used for a weapon or animation should be glyphable.
After all, it's the case for harpoon, so why not these.
glass flicker
Here's another.
Remember when Judgement used to throw the type of weapon you used?
Axe, or sword?
Now it just throws a glowy Doomhammer.
plain violet
I don't remember this, but pretty neat if that was it.
glass flicker
It was a glyph.
[Glyph of Bladed Judgement]
No longer in the database, huh?
@plain violet
Legion removed so many glyphs. It's sad.
But they're the "dark ranger customization pls" system people want.
subtle oar
Eh, most people want Dark Rangers to be a whole new class, tbh.
glass flicker
And what would be the specs? And how would they be different from hunter and rogue?
cosmic beacon
shadow hunters
glass flicker
Here's what they could do if they want dark rangers. Just make a class centered around death with Necromancer as caster, Dark Hunter as melee DPS akin to the ones in Karazhan, and Dark Ranger for ranged DPS.
All 3 in one.
Oh shit. DK.
Ahem..
rain cave
dark rangers would make more sense as a class quest
then rework MM again, I think somebody even said they might
tepid fiber
Akin to warlock's green fire quest, I'd imagine
rain cave
let survival choose to dual wield as an option
yes
it's basically on 9.2.5 anyway
the changes to that dark ranger quest
that was probably meant to be a shadowlands class
or feature
w/e
glass flicker
I'd imagine it would work sort of like how the Night Warrior customization worked in BfA, actually. Do the quest, get the customization.
rain cave
yes
signal bone
why are so many people voting for iron docks
is it a meme or something
where's the Shadowmoon Burial Grounds love?
subtle oar
UBRS and Grimrail are the only acceptable picks
On another note, finished the Sylvanas book. Soooo much incite. It actually made the story interesting. Literally why were we not just shown/told any of this in game... jesus
strange falcon
On another note, finished the Sylvanas book. Soooo much incite. It actually made...
Because why make a fool of yourself for 2 full years, only to put it in an optional book you have to pay for,from another author.
Signature danuser writing
Hope you're ready to wait 3 years for 10.0 to make sense
rain cave
UBRS and Grimrail are the only acceptable picks
UBRS NEEDS to make it in, because of those unique weapon effects
I feel people aren't realizing they exist
subtle oar
Because why make a fool of yourself for 2 full years, only to put it in an optio...
Thankfully I didn't pay uwu. Audible free trial gave me two credits.
rain cave
alternatively
I can just read the wowhead summary and watch the youtube breakdowns
and not have to deal with wasting all those hours on filler lore
I'm also not a huge fan of christie golden
subtle oar
A. Sylvanas' VA narrates it. B. The lore isn't filler, its all important to setting up her character.
rain cave
then why is it in a book
🙂
I like sylvanas's voice actor so that's definetly a good point in its favour
but I don't really do books anymore, and I can't see myself buying an audio book
subtle oar
Audible free trial, my dude. You get a free credit and you can cancel right after and keep any book you spend that credit on. Just make sure to spend the credit before cancelling
dense plover
no - theres no excuse for it being in a book
the fact that the snippet on wowhead is enough to explain motivations and make the jailer at least somewhat even a tiny bit interesting means it absolutely belonged in game in some form
their inability to put anything like it in game is part of why shadowlands SUCKED
you shouldnt have to read it
it shouldve been in game and while i love golden's writing, im not supporting them ruining a story to sell a fucking book
rain cave
warcraft is a game series, anything branching into other mediums should be supplementary
cross media only works if they're all self contained, or if the primary medium is still the place to get all the important information
and it's not like this is hard to do. They already had sylvanas's VA read an entire book
they can pay for her to monologue for a bit in-game
it's frustrating because I basically saw a bunch of the beats in the book coming anyway
and because of that I enjoyed the sylvanas arc, because I had those interpretations already in mind
but they SHOULD be in game
because it's mentioned all but naught in-game
subtle oar
I am SO FUCKING GLAD, the book wrote off that stupid fucking retcon of "Sylvanas planned the Wrathgate and Gilnaes" bullshit
That shit had me soo pissed and Golden rewrote that perfectly.
rain cave
I don't think sylvanas being responsible for wrathgate was ever a thing
and she was ordered to attack gilneas, but she that still means she planned it
unless you think sylvanas was just winging it as one of the best generals in the horde
subtle oar
I don't think sylvanas being responsible for wrathgate was ever a thing
It was ever since a dev interview
subtle oar
and she was ordered to attack gilneas, but she that still means she planned it
No. She didn't plan it. It was something Garrosh wanted whilst she was in ICC killing herself.
She came back and stopped Garrosh from using her people as cannon fodder and took charge.
rain cave
It was ever since a dev interview
weird, I was always under the impression that even if she intended to use blight against arthas that she wouldn't orchestrate a rebellion that she herself would then put down
like the book just confirms the things that were obvious to me
like the her making a deal around legion time instead of wrath
subtle oar
Nah, in a dev interview, I forget which dev, but it was a top lvl one, they tried to say she PLANNED the Wrathgate
It might have been Afrasiabi
subtle oar
Twitter
rain cave
https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1509332123349667846?s=20&t=sVPU7rZFZxl...
or both if the dragonkin race idea holds fast
dense plover
idk about this
i havent seen anything from Marl in the datamining discord im in with them
BUT - i think its more likely to be more customization options since a lot of races lack the depth of some of the others, not to mention that human faces/skin colors need to be redone so that some skins arent locked to some face shapes and scars are separate
Twitter
rain cave
I remember seeing a thing saying that originally shadowlands was also going to have dragon isles baked in
and also since the dark ranger quests were added in bfa
they could also have been for shadowlands orignally too
but were cut
maybe the jump is just those things set aside
rain cave
well it follows a bit of the teasing structure they've had before
even going backto vanilla
dense plover
nzoth purposefully having us "kill" him with the dagger, wrathion getting corrupted and then "saved" and us thinking everything was fine only to be duped into doing exactly what nzoth wanted
rain cave
vanilla had naxx
dense plover
then we go to dragon isles, old god stuff happens, etc
rain cave
then '2' expacs later
it was wrath
tbc has deathwing teases
2 xpacs later it's cata
mists had illidan teases
2 xpacs later it's legion
dragon isles teased in bfa, makes sense for it to be in the next xpac
even if it's only one component of it
upper pasture
im just glad in 20 more days we can stop having all these "leaks" and actually see whats planned even if its a tiny crumb of info
rain cave
turalyon?
glass flicker
Yes.
rain cave
kadghar?
upper pasture
all the tinker class stan pack up and wait 2 years to be heard from again
glass flicker
YES.
rain cave
if the plot is really wrathion discovering the dragon isles and that they're a bunch of dragon supremacists
or something
would be funny if we have a scene of him trying to do a peace envoy
and they just slowly start to turn against him as he's cockily presenting
glass flicker
I don't think that's the case, really.
rain cave
i could see more primordial dragonflights appearing
glass flicker
I believe we will get a Northrend rework with Dragon Isles being a later patch zone.
rain cave
like different kinds of dragons
upper pasture
honestly IF its dragon isles i hope rebuilding the dragonflights is part of the story
rain cave
since our normal dragons are titan blessed
glass flicker
And the main threat would be Galakrond's Necrotic Dragonflight.
rain cave
what would protodrakes naturally evolved on their own be?
no pineapple tails perhaps?
tbh if they're doing a whole rework of zones tactic
I'd love to see them rework outland for when yrel breaks through
since if they're only dimension hopping that's where they'd appear first
lightfire penninsula
glass flicker
Could work. But I'm biased towards my Northrend rework idea.
rain cave
it would probably be northrend first
with ICC being our sword of sargeras catalyst
equivalent
glass flicker
We go inspect the Forge of Souls, Kalec comes to us saying Wrathion and Magni want to talk to us, we go to the Chamber of Heart, they go "CHAMPIEN!" and off to the Dragon Isles we go.
rain cave
though I equally also think it weird if they keep on that storyline
I'm wondering if they might just got for something fresh
glass flicker
Could be something more grounded.
glass flicker
I'm tired of being a cosmic murder hobo.
rain cave
as I've said before
glass flicker
Let me just be a murder hobo.
rain cave
lilian, taelia, arator
others (insert more C-B level importance characters)
lets elavate more people to being iconic instead of relying on the old guard from WC3 forever
even if we still have them there to come back to
glass flicker
Flynn and Shaw need to get some more plot. Shaw even blamed himself for Anduin's kingnapping.
rain cave
I did find it funny how alleria didn't have a cinematic model in the sylvanas cutscene
even though we know she has one from legion
glass flicker
They made a few more real time cinematics, which I actually enjoy quite a bit.
rain cave
sylvanas in 4k, with vereese in 1440p in the background whilst alleria is just 🗿
glass flicker
Vereesa looked so upsetti spaghetti when Sylvanas dove head first into the Maw.
rain cave
yeah
glass flicker
But, she's wrong to do so.
Sylvanas legit wanted to kill her and raise her into undeath.
rain cave
yeah but that was old sylvanas
glass flicker
Vereesa deserves more screentime and a new model, I swear.
rain cave
the sisters themselves say that it felt like the first time they'd actually reunited with sylvanas
she felt like herself for once since the undeath thing
and they wanted more time to talk to her
and they hope one day they will
glass flicker
You know who also deserves a better look?
Shandris Feathermoon.
They just slapped a few unmatching leather and mail items on her.
rain cave
I'm still putting my bet on the future money shot for when we get to World of Warcraft: Endgame™️
where all the big names return
glass flicker
[Shandris Feathermoon]
rain cave
illidan lands, does some misc epic shit
haughty houndBOT
Shandris Feathermoon - https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=140519/shandris-feathermoon - PTR 9.2.5
glass flicker
Look at her mog. It sucks!
rain cave
then sylvanas stops a surprise attack from getting to him
and they do some corny fucking
acknowledgment of eachother
I don't want it to happen but I'm betting on it lmao
glass flicker
You mean World of Warcraft: Infinity Wars pls do not steal the name.
Endgame came after.
