#beta-ptr-spoilers
urban spire
urban spire
lol
uncut lintel
https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/mythic-jailer-mount-model-zereth-overseer-325679?webhook wow ive never been so turned off by a mythic mount in my entire, FUCKING, life, this is literally so ugly holy shit
it literally looks like someone took the chest peice and shoulders of an armor set and just said, lol lets make it amount omg
@tepid fiber wut do u think
dense plover
it looks weird af but its unique
so thats good
and we still dont have the AOTC mount
that will also be unique
upper pasture
I like the effects but the mount is odd but I suppose they wanted to lean more into the new zone than give us another dark torghast themed mount
glass flicker
Where my Mawsworn Carrier mount at? I want being choked by a Kyrian to be an actual mount.
glass flicker
That's sad. I'm sad.
uncut lintel
same
glass flicker
Mechagon spider mounts already screwed me over. Now they're giving us a new one.
uncut lintel
bfa had the best aotc mount imo
uncut lintel
Mechagon spider mounts already screwed me over. Now they're giving us a new one.
yea and as aotc thats trash
glass flicker
uncut lintel
OR
A REAL PEGASUS MOUNT
BUT KYRIAN RELATED
BIG FEATHERY WINGS UGHUHIRFEDAUH
glass flicker
Tsh, lol.
uncut lintel
crimson jasper
buying aotc, God l hate that that shit is a thing, destroyed a lot of the game
mount just reminded me of Dr. Robotnik, so that's a fun image now, Jailer is Eggman
glass flicker
Well, think of boosting in WoW as an actual job.
People pay gold for it, sellers use it to buy WoW tokens and turn them into real money.
Easy profits.
glass flicker
<:KEKW:654737817439567912>
Give me winged mommy mount.
And give me an abomination mount for Necrolord.
uncut lintel
@crimson jasper 
without boosting the game would be even more dead
glass flicker
How do you even miss that?
crimson jasper
l still don't like the whole concept
crimson jasper
only way to make gold nowdays cause rest is swarmed with bots
crimson jasper
lol
glass flicker
I want to dress my abomination as a penguin and name him Cr1tikal.
uncut lintel
WHAAAT
uncut lintel
only way to make gold nowdays cause rest is swarmed with bots
or buy wow tokens
tepid fiber
<@!877634411800182784> wut do u think
It's pretty neat. Different from the other Maw aesthetic mounts, lots of moving pieces and effects, and will more likely than not replace the flying robo heads some people tend to use
crimson jasper
think l am stupid?
uncut lintel
yes
crimson jasper
well spoilers l aint
uncut lintel
It's pretty neat. Different from the other Maw aesthetic mounts, lots of moving ...
i guess its not 100% bad but its not what i want so its bad 
uncut lintel
well spoilers l aint
and i dont give a fuck so
crimson jasper
jeez
crimson jasper
you sure became a toxic bitch
tepid fiber
Girls, stop fighting, you're both ugly
uncut lintel
ive never met u in my life shuja 
tepid fiber
Now back to the mount
glass flicker
tepid fiber
It does have a lot in common with the other stuff going on in the new zone so thematically the mount doesn't seem too out of place
uncut lintel
yea
yea
new zone needs to match mount i get that but they could really could of done something way better
crimson jasper
maybe l am mistaking you for someone else then but God l am glad l dont know you then
uncut lintel
esp for aotc
crimson jasper
and l'll keep it that way
glass flicker
Still, why a First Ones themed mount and not Zovaal themed?
uncut lintel
shuja take ur grudge somewhere else plz we are trying toconversate
uncut lintel
Still, why a First Ones themed mount and not Zovaal themed?
idk
the uh mythic drop moutn is funny tho bcuz itlooks like peices of armor
god i wanna make a meme of that so bad
put it on my char as a transmog
crimson jasper
yea sure wannabe memelord, go whine about more things, l return when there's more brain in chat
glass flicker
Ask Zelris to.
tepid fiber
the uh mythic drop moutn is funny tho bcuz itlooks like peices of armor
I can see that, but we also have mounts that are just heads and hands. Why not other big body parts? 
uncut lintel
I can see that, but we also have mounts that are just heads and hands. Why not o...
TRUEE
glass flicker
They mod a lot of things as armor.
uncut lintel
glass flicker
Even modded a DK shoulderpad as a helm.
glass flicker
That'd be cool.
uncut lintel
no
i want more undead mounts tho like how we got LK invincible and drakes and shit, like not related to arthas but just by itself
glass flicker
Oh, you want that dead lady.
uncut lintel
yea
glass flicker
Tch, god dammit. xD
uncut lintel
im excited for dragon isles expansion
dragon dragon dragon
no i didnt fall for the leak but its obvious
its dragon
uncut lintel
im like the 9.2 zone and some mounts but i hate the system
like idc wutsystem it is
but we have enoguh systems in SL
why more
i gotmy torghast,i got my conduins, i got my convenant, and now i have to worry abt another one fuscking christ
glass flicker
Less cosmic shit, please.
uncut lintel
glass flicker
I want to be a humble whatever again.
uncut lintel
no ones humble
tepid fiber
Gonna go back to watching my show
glass flicker
Byee.
uncut lintel
r u watching the amazing world of gumball
glass flicker
I mean, likely?
glass flicker
If you chop off someone's arm while he held a gun, would you say "HANDGUN"
Hand gone!
Bad joke, I'll think of something more clever.
cunning fossil
Kek
Also Based Holy Priest changes
Just yes
More damage, more healing. More interesting talent choices
cosmic beacon
Buffing resto Druid and hpriests, well pvp is gonna be even more enjoyable 
As if they don’t already do enough healing, now they do even more and for rdruid all their pvp talents are buffed 
subtle oar
buying aotc, God l hate that that shit is a thing, destroyed a lot of the game
Buying boosts with gold has been happening all the way since vanilla and only took off more in Wrath
crimson jasper
Buying boosts with gold has been happening all the way since vanilla and only to...
oh yea I dont say it didnt exist but back in the day the gold economy wasnt absolutely crashed
subtle oar
I have zero issues with boosting at all. I neither boost nor buy boosts but I just see it as an in game service
It's the multiboxing and bots that pump billions of raw gold into the economy that ruins it
simple patrol
It's the multiboxing and bots that pump billions of raw gold into the economy th...
I can't stand multiboxing
strange falcon
oh yea I dont say it didnt exist but back in the day the gold economy wasnt abso...
it wasnt absolutely crashed,because all gold gained was organic,
now you can artificially inject as much gold as you like in the economy,by just buying wow tokens
imo wow tokens should be solely limited to gold for gametime
and nothing else at all
some people even make the argument,that wow tokens technically enable "pay to win" stuff
subtle oar
it wasnt absolutely crashed,because all gold gained was organic,
now you can art...
Incorrect. WoW tokens do not inject gold into the game. It takes gold from one player and gives it to another, with Blizzard providing it as a paid service
strange falcon
🤔
there certainly has been hyperinflation due to too much gold
though im not a moneymaking experts,so idk exactly about the sources,clearly not wow tokens as you've stated
subtle oar
Yes, but that is not caused by the token. It is caused the massive amount of raw gold being injected by bots and multiboxers
Tokens just exchange gold that already exists between Characters
cosmic beacon
flashback to asmon finding raid groups of boomies in nazmir
uncut lintel
hey nerds
tired drift
glass flicker
The transmog vendor should have an option for that.
My warrior would have a hip katana. Because back sheats are dumb.
Doesn't even work with magnets.
urban spire
Some sword guy tested back sheaths and they’re actually pretty effective
It just sucks that most 2 handed swords in wow would classify as cavalry swords and would be sheathed on the horse
glass flicker
It just sucks that most 2 handed swords in wow would classify as cavalry swords ...
Shadiversity, yeah, I know him.
But without his custom scabbard, they don't work.
urban spire
Yeah I think skallagrim did some tests too
glass flicker
Plus, katanas are not back sheath weapons by design.
urban spire
Not to mention even the largest of swords irl only weigh like 7 pounds, like the zero handed
Zweihander
In wow swords look like they’re 30 pounds of steel or more
Yeah katanas are always hip mounted
urban spire
Same as nodachis are pretty much only mounted to horses as well
glass flicker
Anime as hell, but just hold the damn thing.
You don't have to have it hanging off your body.
Might as well throw it on the ground before engaging.
Sheats and scabbards are for concealment and protection. There is no reason to have it in combat.
Unless you intend to use it as a bat.
I'm ranting again.
glass flicker
Same as nodachis are pretty much only mounted to horses as well
Nodachis and oodachis are for dick measuring and nothing else.
plain violet
A bit sad hast weapons not always have well... hast weapons animations when used for some races.
Just thrust your way trough the heavens. But no, in some animations, your character just use it like a mace. That's funny, even if I know it's not that intentional from Blizzard (hast weapon just reuse another weapon animation)
glass flicker
I miss when swords would use the stab animation from daggers.
Bring that shit back.
plain violet
It could? Now, that was nice.
subtle oar
It sucked
rocky palm
just leveling in dreanor and that is what i thought the shadowlands 9.2 new zone or even korthia should have looked like
cosmic beacon
shadowmoon valley 
upper pasture
It would be nice
subtle oar
what y'all think the news is gonna be next week
Nothing, because we arent getting any news until late February
upper pasture
Mike literally said we’re getting more news next week
signal bone
granted, he didn't say it would be wow news
gimme that sweet d4 release date
q1 2023
uncut vault
I feel like it's probably going to be more an announcement of when theyll be announcing their major stuff, since there's no blizzcon
upper pasture
an announcement for an announcements announcement? doubtful.
glass flicker
They're going to announce some crossover things.
Chief 76, Herobrine Reaper, a Shadowlands skins pack for Minecraft, stuff like that.
deep pawn
I'd expect a 9.2 release date maybe
I don't know if they'd be ready to announce 10.0 quite yet
austere gazelle
I'd expect a 9.2 release date maybe
They defo are. Putting the mount collector edition files in a push for the 9.1.5 update is a sign that they were ready to announce it before 9.2
deep pawn
more that they put the stuff for the shop on a very set schedule that seems divorced from actual content updates.
strange falcon
thats not good either
austere gazelle
more that they put the stuff for the shop on a very set schedule that seems divo...
It's possible but it's been planned to raise hype, it's a marketing tool. The " Signs " are there. False leak in mass about new expack, collector's edition mount encrypted in a mysterious 9.1.5 update , etc.
deep pawn
Like I wouldn't be surprised if the dragon bundle was intended to come up after the announcement which would in a normal schedule been done months ago
austere gazelle
They know things would get datamined it's not a mistake
I wont be surprised if in the 9.2 there are mysterious doodads about next expansion
strange falcon
like,if the storemounts are going out on time, while the ingame patches have had 2 8month content droughts back to back
then you know somethings wrong in the structure
of how content is made
austere gazelle
Legion had " kul tiran lighthouse " in the files
BFA had "chained ghost " for shadowlands
It's done on purpose
deep pawn
It's been microtransactions first for a while now
the shop has had very steady releases.
austere gazelle
Yeah they are slowly hinting at reveals throught the shops mounts which is lame
deep pawn
I'm saying they weren't originally intended as hints
strange falcon
the shop has had very steady releases.
yeah,sure,but that means that the shop is being managed well,with how they use the resources,
while there is clearly a great lack of proper resource management in terms of the actual content
the shop having a new mount doesnt impact there being a 8month content drought back to back
one is being well managed and scheduled,and the other isnt
deep pawn
I get that a single mount, or a single set of clothes is less time compared to a full patch, but still.
pulsar minnow
OOOF
Getting called out by voice actors. Gosh SL really screwed up
Ive said it before a few times, but it feels like the writers made the worst possible choices at every single opportunity in this storyline
They had the opportunity to fix a lot of things wrong with the story in 9.2, but instead they just doubled down and just made it even worse
The thing I’m really frustrated by is that it seems like we’re going to leave shadowlands with most of the characters completely unscathed. Anduin is gonna look the exact same as before
upper pasture
Wasn’t that tweet in response of the fact that we didn’t kill her in SoD?
tepid fiber
Dated December 14th
subtle oar
Wasn’t that tweet in response of the fact that we didn’t kill her in SoD?
No. It was in response to a "Who is your favorite archer in pop culture" tweet.
Ian Bates (Red Shirt guy) recently started a thread about it today, backing up her claim
uncut lintel
9.2 wen
urban spire
I think a lot of people really liked sylvanas prior to shadowlands and end of bfa
she may have been dark and did things without a thought to morals, but that was part of what made her character
We didnt need the ranger general/frozen soul aspect to her character it just kind of watered her down and made her less
tepid fiber
The ranger general aspect of her character has been around since she was introduced
urban spire
obviously, that's who she was prior to being killed by arthas
the whole thing about freezing souls in place diminishes her character past that though
tepid fiber
Does it? It's a snapshot of that former life, and to me encountering that and making it a part of the whole again seems to serve as a reminder of her origins. With her current self merging with the old it offers an opportunity for her current self to remember who she was and now is, and applying a different perspective on the choices she's made since then
Unpopular opinion sure but 🤷
subtle oar
the whole thing about freezing souls in place diminishes her character past that...
100%
tropic trail
Anyone knows if there are bosses in SFO that drop a higher ilvl than the others?
I'm working on this again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nNlOWYmfKeyD8SVp4Fe82Hc6m8DCTtbO0tfX8GWttuk/edit?usp=sharing
languid yoke
the last three (excluding tier sets)
uncut vault
Does it? It's a snapshot of that former life, and to me encountering that and ma...
If they’d actually done this, it would have been great honestly
Instead the cinematic was solely from the perspective of the high elven soul shard
And we never actually get to see the modern Sylvanas reflect on that version of her reacting to everything she’s done beyond a single line of “no you” before she vanishes
restive bay
rain cave
Does it? It's a snapshot of that former life, and to me encountering that and ma...
Also it's not her character being nuked or anything like that, there is no "new sylvanas" the ranger general isn't taking control , she's just been judged by her past self after digging herself into a hole she thought was she was too far in to swap back until that last moment
tepid fiber
I didn't say that
tepid fiber
No
tepid fiber
👍
rain cave
It's literally just me backing up your point
tepid fiber
With points I never made
tepid fiber
Ok
rain cave
Sylvanas isn't being redeemed
Ranger general isn't a new personality
She's been judged by her old self not replaced, accepting what she did wrong
And how sylvanas always grappled with the remnants of her old self even before being soul restored
tepid fiber
It's explained how it works in Uther's dialogue at the end of the Chains of Domination campaign
pulsar minnow
Sylvanas isn't being redeemed
Ranger general isn't a new personality
She's been ...
Ehhhh… based on how it’s being portrayed in game it feels like she’s just a less-edgy Sylvanas who’s just forgotten she committed genocide
Still can’t get over Jaina immediately changing her mind on working with Sylvanas in like 5 seconds
rain cave
I mean
Why wouldn't she in such a high stakes situation
I'd say that's realistic behaviour
pulsar minnow
I wouldn’t say it’s realistic to work with the person who caused the entire high stakes situation
rain cave
It's after this is all finished that we get personal issues with sylvanas back to the front
So you're saying you wouldn't even consider working with someone to save everything just out of spite
Sylvanas is on our side now, with uther backing up her claim
She can face trial when the universe isn't at threat at she helps clean up her mess
pulsar minnow
So you're saying you wouldn't even consider working with someone to save everyth...
If someone burnt down an entire civilization, released an evil god, and now just suddenly goes “oh I’m chill now let’s be friends” I wouldn’t exactly just trust them.
pulsar minnow
And Uther himself isn’t really the best candidate to trust. This guy was just evil like 5 seconds ago
rain cave
He wasn't evil
pulsar minnow
He was with the Forsworn
tepid fiber
Antagonist =/= evil
rain cave
And if we are talking Jaina
I'm pretty sure Jaina would trust uthers council on this regardless
pulsar minnow
That’s kinda the problem
tepid fiber
???
pulsar minnow
Jaina knows what Sylvanas has done, and it shouldn’t just take a quick “dude trust me” to make her just suddenly decide to work with Sylvanas
upper pasture
You know, maybe the jailer is right. The world does need to be remade
tepid fiber
That's not the case at all, wut
rain cave
Uther knows how this works, sylvanas wouldn't be awake if she hadn't come to accept what she did as bad
pulsar minnow
It takes one line for Jaina to change her mind
tepid fiber
It takes one line for Jaina to change her mind
It took one word for Superman to not kill Batman, what's your point
upper pasture
It takes a stiff breeze for Jaina to change her mind
pulsar minnow
It took one word for Superman to not kill Batman, what's your point
Batman vs Superman sucked
tepid fiber
Oh man, I'll tell that to the millions of dollars it made
pulsar minnow
Superhero movies do that
rain cave
Jaina just wants anduin to be safe, killing sylvanas or not listening to her doesn't help that goal
Her primary concern through all of this has been anduins well being
upper pasture
I mean Sylvanas knows what happened to Anduin so she could sorta be useful
So keeping her alive is helpful for that
tepid fiber
I find that people who are least likely to change their minds or opinions on discovery of new information are the MOST likely to not be able to follow stories where characters can change their minds
rain cave
Imagine you've found a bomb, the guy who planted it is still a very useful person to help defuse it
pulsar minnow
I find that people who are least likely to change their minds or opinions on dis...
Yeah but that ain’t me chief
rain cave
You just have to get the information out
pulsar minnow
Shadowland’s story is just really bad and it makes me pretty disappointed
tepid fiber
Ok
rain cave
The concepts and big moments are pretty good imo
But yeah there's weird shit
Because people complain about story beats even though they make sense if you know everything
tepid fiber
I don't like it = bad
pulsar minnow
I really loved Sylvanas’ character. I wish we could just go back and erase the last two expansions
upper pasture
Imagine you've found a bomb, the guy who planted it is still a very useful perso...
I mean, if he was also going to die in the bomb and didn’t want that I’m sure they would be inclined to help defuse the bomb
pulsar minnow
I don't like it = bad
Well yeah, I think it’s bad.
rain cave
There's an issue with more casual conveying of information
tepid fiber
I really loved Sylvanas’ character. I wish we could just go back and erase the l...
Okay, but you can't, so live in the current moment and choose to learn to understand the plot regardless of whether or not you like it
rain cave
The thing is sylvanas hasn't really HAD much important story
Since the past two expansions
And if you think a story specifically about sylvanas isn't going to address her unresolved issues and questionable actions
Then you're delusional
Before and even during legion at times, sylvanas was just the edgy set dressing who would show up for some cool moments
tepid fiber
"But Sylvanas is just supposed to swoop in, be edgy, make a quip about raising someone from the dead, save the day, and then be quiet for the rest of the story! That's how she's supposed to be!"
rain cave
Kek
tepid fiber
"Keep my spooky women quiet, predictable, and out of the spotlight please"
rain cave
Also the big thing is that her original story was from her perspective
Wc3 you play as her
You see behind the curtain
That she plays with questionable ethics
But a solid motivation
Why would she let players know
Until she's found out
pulsar minnow
Okay, but you can't, so live in the current moment and choose to learn to unders...
Nah I understand the plot but I also understand it’s not good.
uncut lintel
9.2 wen
uncut lintel
sad
marble nova
pulsar minnow
Even if it’s fake that’s an awesome logo
subtle oar
Even if it’s fake that’s an awesome logo
Its not even a leak, its just fan art of speculation
That entire thread is a speculation thread
tropic trail
They'll never use the word empire in an expansion name
there's some asian country where it translates to a word that's also used for penis
so in their country it would be called penis of dragons
marble nova
so in their country it would be called penis of dragons
what is this country called?
rain cave
what is this country called?
penis
cunning fossil
so in their country it would be called penis of dragons
Nice
subtle oar
there's some asian country where it translates to a word that's also used for pe...
Then they wouldnt use Empire in the game, but they do, so that is literally not an issue.
violet roost
Hi, I am looking for someone with Aealic Understanding unlocked on research console thx 🙂
cunning fossil
Lel
deep pawn
I mean people called the Shadowlands logo when it leaked fake too
though that was only a day or two before blizzcon
But since they keep dropping videos that were clearly meant for blizzconline it could be out there
upper pasture
eh doesn't look dragony enough looks more Void-ish
fair crane
hear me out, I'm just right
silk cape
Do you think 9.2 will be out before Feb 11th? Lost Ark release date 11th. ^^
deep pawn
And people also said that the Shadowlands logo was too bright. 😄
If the void and old god corruption is playing part of 10.0 it wouldn't be shocking to have the color involved
Stars also are connected with Elune's night powers.
And she'd be involved with any Green Dragon stories
pulsar minnow
And people also said that the Shadowlands logo was too bright. 😄
Just to add to this, the BFA logo was also really weird. It was dark blue and silver-ish gold
I think it would be awesome if the Dragon were a dominant Empire following the Sundering, and the story is more of a mystery to figure out what was and what happened to the empire
deep pawn
Heaven help us if we have to travel back to recruit an uncorrupted Neltharion
or empowered aspects in general
pulsar minnow
It would be awesome to see Wrathion grow into more of an aspect-like figure
For all the faults of BFA, Wrathion was done perfectly, and we need more of him.
deep pawn
Bronze dragons help Wrathion go back and get some of an uncorrupted Neltharion's power, and he gets a fun chat with papa
plain violet
Neltharion pre-corruption was supposed to be really wise and admired yes. Could be interesting to see, but Wrathion already got the "I want to remember him for what he once was, not what he become" heritage.
upper pasture
I firmly believe if we get a dragon isle expansion it’s going to be about rebuilding the dragon flights
subtle oar
I mean people called the Shadowlands logo when it leaked fake too
This logo isnt a leak. Its stated so in that thread. Its fan art from speculation. That is a speculation thread, not a "leak" thread. That was started last year I think
deep pawn
I must have missed the post from the artist claiming it. Was dropped as "this is from a discord they say"
uncut lintel
9.2 wen
austere gazelle
when you'll stop asking
vestal wing
lol
upper pasture
great so never
vestal wing
lmao
drowsy leaf
there’s an announcement this week i believe
cosmic beacon
sethrakk become playable 
subtle oar
there’s an announcement this week i believe
It will likely be related to the company, not the game
upper pasture
could also be the merch store opening back up too, there's countless things it could be
signal bone
he said news to share in terms of game content
upper pasture
honestly i feel like its going to be an release date for 9.2 but thats being hopeful
subtle oar
he said news to share in terms of game content
He didn't. That's just speculation.
upper pasture
i mean the context of the text makes it seem like its game related but yeah they didn't outright say "we have stuff coming to WoW next week"
languid yoke
THEY SAID THE LINE 
vestal wing
usually that upsets people because it means the choice has a relevant impact and there is no best selection for every situation
subtle oar
i mean the context of the text makes it seem like its game related but yeah they...
Nah, the context screams more company cultural shit
tropic trail
Looking like 9.2 out in two weekish
Theres an annoucement this week. Likely announcing the end of season this week or next
subtle oar
Looking like 9.2 out in two weekish
Definitely not. Not until late February early march
leaden cairn
Theres an annoucement this week. Likely announcing the end of season this week o...
Would they really announce the end of a season only a few days in advance?
dense plover
No
upper pasture
i mean they did for TBC classic didn't they? LOL
dense plover
And also, end of FFXIV weapon acquisition for people farming it is 2 weeks
They’ll likely wait 1-2 after so they can advertise
upper pasture
ha
astral jasper
people put too much weight on how much influence other games have on wow releases
upper pasture
i mean, if any game has any weight on WoW it would be FF14
upper pasture
its just bad business to release content that people have to sub to while others are doing the same thing unless you have a very healthy game base
especially when you're both in the same genre
is EVE sub based? (idk much about it)
pure sentinel
are there any good WoW players here who are interested in joining? https://twitter.com/zssbecker/status/1485762683152576515?s=21
tepid fiber
But it's definitely less comparable than FF, for sure
Being a space sandbox, and all
dense plover
are there any good WoW players here who are interested in joining? https://twitt...
wrong channel to ask and you need to get permission before advertising
astral jasper
can you mods delete that?
dense plover
if they dont remove it in like 10 min, ill ping mods
astral jasper
I thought you were a mod bc of your name color/flair lol
signal bone
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they wouldn't pair these two sentences together if they weren't related. We're getting news this week. It may not be wow news, but something game-related
upper pasture
Shuuushh that makes sense
deep pawn
They put a lot of time into naming them and placing them on the correct boss.
I can't remember a single weapon name
that wasn't a legendary
hell I can't even remember the more iconic weapons by name, just their effect.
like there's the tentacle sword from deathwing
or the CD corruption bow
forest sphinx
Is the PTR going down?
dense plover
Is the PTR going down?
its possible
yes
they are
so new build soonTM
heres hoping for music
dense plover
https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1486048455982084097?s=20
thats about a bagel
read the followup
XD
ionic terrace
🥯
vestal wing
probably a Dutch bagel
dense plover
theres new datastrings for a notch - ive just been informed that its almost definitely for macbooks because the new one has a notch
people are going to think its for mobile (i did initially)
its not
cunning fossil
Lmao 420 69
upper pasture
man, those voice lines would've been nice if the jailer was actually scary
glass flicker
He's a villain just because he's bald.
Check how many villains in western media are bald.
cunning fossil
As man Bald
upper pasture
hair doesn't grow if you evil duh
cunning fossil
Wrath of the Bald King
cosmic beacon
glass flicker
He wants to reset the universe and make everything bald so he doesn't feel alone.
upper pasture
or maybe he wants to remake the world and give himself hair
glass flicker
Maybe that's why he chose to wear a helmet!
upper pasture
maybe the helmet is what causes the baldness
he wants to take away all helms from WoW
astral jasper
Lmao 420 69
-play 34+35 by ariana grande
urban spire
Anyone know when the “new” ybarra talked about is coming?
upper pasture
maybe its the new game?
jade basalt
Twitter
jade basalt
maybe its the new game?
That was the new game
It was never a WoW thing, it was a Blizzard thing
WoW news are coming in the next few weeks apparently
mighty wolf
Pog. Sylvanas jumps somewhere in cinematic. Maybe the Maw?
upper pasture
yeah, i mean i never said it WAS a WoW thing i said i'd like it to be a 9.2 thing but never said it was going to be that but other people said it was going to be notgame related so context clues lead me to belive otherwise
cunning fossil
https://twitter.com/qwik/status/1486108106790555650?s=21
I'm praying do something omg
upper pasture
i mean we all knew we were getting something in feb just because we were supposed to get blizzconline but it got canned but we knew we would get something news worthy to make up for it
forest sphinx
I’m back to being a pleb lol
mossy meteor
oh hey fake arch
mossy meteor
glass flicker
Give me your gun!
glass flicker
Surely Arch42069 or something.
deep pawn
what happened?
austere gazelle
https://fr.wowhead.com/news/zereth-mortis-flying-requirements-changed-flying-unlocked-much-earlier-325742 great change
no more grind needed
cosmic beacon
clip of a fae feral doing 250k+ dps in a dos pull 
uncut lintel
is that good?
uncut lintel
i dont raid so i cant get the set
cosmic beacon
very
cosmic beacon
you get the set bonuses from all content 
uncut lintel
oh wait really?
cosmic beacon
ye
uncut lintel
usualyl stuff is from raid only
uncut lintel
we'll see then
cosmic beacon
maybe if i post the clip the bot wont get mad at me 
upper pasture
cosmic flux or whatever its gonna be called
cosmic beacon
pretty sure there was something about sets dropping from vault aswell
from all content
but idk
ther
7 mil damage
uncut lintel
like im onna watch that
upper pasture
yup all slots can be randomly "a tier set piece" instead of what its supposed to be
uncut lintel
dab
cunning fossil
What could've been
Wait hmm.
Not sure if this goes here or not. It's semi 9.2 related cuz
Cinematic doesn't show till 9.
uncut lintel
urban spire
What is this comic? Is it fan made or was it supposed to be the one in game?
Because this is about 1000x better than what we got
subtle oar
What is this comic? Is it fan made or was it supposed to be the one in game?
Fan-made
astral jasper
Because this is about 1000x better than what we got
more like properly expanded as SL's story should have been from the start
balmy gate
i dont raid so i cant get the set
Set is craftable. Don't need to raid to get it! 🙂
uncut lintel
@balmy gate appreciated
subtle oar
Set is craftable. Don't need to raid to get it! 🙂
Not for the first month
balmy gate
Correct, but eventually attainable even by non-raiders.
uncut lintel
@subtle oar the first month is to get everything else up instead of worrying abt gear
cunning fossil
What is this comic? Is it fan made or was it supposed to be the one in game?
Fabnade...unfortunately
cosmic beacon
Fabnade 
cunning fossil
Lmao
Fanmade*
But yeah
It's at the point where fanfiction is better than the actual story
cosmic beacon
Fanfics are always better, well depends what kinda fanfics
cunning fossil
Shipping fanfics can be good.
They do better at characterization that Blizzard for their characters at least
Lek
uncut lintel
@cunning fossil i ship alot of things in every fandom
ik u didnt ask for this response
but
u gotit anyway
cunning fossil
<@!247758224441344010> i ship alot of things in every fandom
Good shitm I do too
astral jasper
<@!247758224441344010> i ship alot of things in every fandom
who do u ship @cunning fossil with?
dusty frigate
Hey, do anyone know of a 9.2 ptr overview article or guide? Im at a loss how to get info on how to a) get my set pieces on the ptr, and b) how to equip 2 legos on prt
*ptr
I find a lot of info about how it will work on live, but does it work the same on prt? Like, I have to play 3 weeks on ptr to get the rep?
ok I found the vendors in oribos selling the set pieces
dusty frigate
I guess what Im left wondering is how do I equip two legendaries? I only found 1 lego in the oribos vendor, the Cinch of Unity. Is that the only one available to combine with a normal lego?
cosmic beacon
Yep, you have the belt/memory of unity, then a normal class or spec legendary
dusty frigate
roger, thanks
inland elm
When will ne 9.2 Live?
cosmic beacon
No announcement yet 
inland elm
Okay thx haha
spice sleet
would it be a better idea to main a surv hunter or a dh for 9.2
cosmic beacon
All depends on if survivals set is fixed 
Which it should be, cause it’s currently disgusting in comparison to most sets
strange falcon
Which it should be, cause it’s currently disgusting in comparison to most sets
Thats assuming they remember survival exists 🤔
cosmic beacon
Don’t tell them it’s busted, they deserve to be op for a season
rain cave
Which it should be, cause it’s currently disgusting in comparison to most sets
more importantly, it's apparently quite fun
cosmic beacon
ye i play surv, and even without its set is alot more fun than mm or bm
deep pawn
Wooo, 9.2 keeps getting better.
I hope they do follow up on their boosting community bans
strange falcon
This doesnt stop boosting, as in their bluepost it says that "non cross server" and "individuals" are still allowed,
Not that communities wont still exist like how RMT is plentiful in the shadows
deep pawn
it'll have to be banished to discords and no websites.
It should also increase competition so prices will go down
strange falcon
I mean,theres already plenty of discords, idk how much websites were helping with that.
And this doesnt stop tradechat spam either as thats still allowed
deep pawn
there's reports already that spamming has gone down
strange falcon
It should also increase competition so prices will go down
Prices are already in the gutter right now because theres not a lot of ppl playing
strange falcon
there's reports already that spamming has gone down
If there's 1 thing that blizzard has an immaculate track record of,is being really terrible at keeping up/acting on reports,less so recently,but it isnt enough
Bots are still rampant both on classic and retail,they just hide better
I expect this boosting business to go the same way
deep pawn
It also makes it a bunch harder for boosters to get paid for runs. The boostees will have to be on your server.
upper pasture
or at least the person getting the money
just make alts on servers that get the gold
honestly i don't see whats wrong with boosters. if you don't like it don't use it
deep pawn
The terms of the message imply being paid for gold on one server to eventually transfer to another breaks the rules
strange falcon
Thats not the only way to transfer gold between servers.
Again i do believe in the long run,this wont actually affect boosting operations,just push them underground and make it harder for buyers that arent "in the know" to buy
deep pawn
Well the rules specifically ban multi server communities that exist to take payment on one server to pay out elsewhere
The wording sounds like guilds wouldn't be allowed to collect gold on servers to eventually server transfer back home either.
uncut lintel
"What? Cross faction raid and dungeons? Big boosters are banned? lol wake up mate it's 2021 and we just started farming korthia I have the bags already full lol"
cunning fossil
What the fuck happened to the Dev team for real
how are they pulling this many Dubs
upper pasture
what if this causes the living world stuff to be like a city take over thing
solid vapor
GIVE ME THE GOOD LEAKS
upper pasture
like WHAT IF
cunning fossil
YOu right
solid vapor
Well actually I can think of one
Ion loosening he’s grip of control
Not saying anything bad about him
But fresh faces is what wow needs
upper pasture
but what if its not Ion losing control but Bobby
solid vapor
Maybe?
plain violet
Maybe it is.
solid vapor
Could’ve been the pressure he created for the team leaving
plain violet
At least if the priority is not "money and frustration", but just "do what you like"
solid vapor
Or the fact the devs don’t answer to Bobby as the head boss anymore
true shell
what if this causes the living world stuff to be like a city take over thing
I dont understand what you are talking about
upper pasture
that was a thing that was datamined for 10.0
strange falcon
Or the fact the devs don’t answer to Bobby as the head boss anymore
They still do until summer 2023,
Stated in the acquisition post,
The companies dont just change hands overnight
upper pasture
called livingworld and people have speculated its for having changeable zones
that can toggle states
cunning fossil
called livingworld and people have speculated its for having changeable zones
Stop giving me hopium. A Living World sounds like something we'd all like to see so I have defaulted to not seeing it
OR seeing it be incredibly scuffed
solid vapor
They still do until summer 2023,
Stated in the acquisition post,
The companies ...
Bobby is in the weakest state he’s ever been in
lapis ivy
And all other zones where you could flip between past and present with a bronze flight npc
upper pasture
i'm staying maybe we see this applied to city take overs (hopeful i hope but still)
it would be a neat idea to see done
strange falcon
Stop giving me hopium. A Living World sounds like something we'd all like to see...
You're the one eating the hopium,he's just setting it on the table
cunning fossil
Fuck offfffff
upper pasture
but they would have to make it worth something
cunning fossil
/lh
uncut lintel
@cunning fossil they must of secreetely fired all the idiots and finally hired actual people
cunning fossil
Nah I don't think the wow team are idiots.
upper pasture
TBF MS has no control over blizzard yet anyways
cunning fossil
THeir business model was total shit to begin with
dense plover
called livingworld and people have speculated its for having changeable zones
so the issue with speculating on the livingworld stuff is we have like 6 db2 strings and thats it
we dont know enough
its like how people thought actioncam was going to be the big new thing and then they canned that feature
and that feature got way more support than whatever the "livingworld" stuff is
upper pasture
yeah and? its fun to speculate is all. im not saying that THIS IS LIVINGWORLD just that it would be cool if it was something like this
dense plover
its way to early to even speculate on the feature. At this point it could literally just be skybox changes depending on actions people do or something
zone changes already exist without whatever this feature is
upper pasture
that in itself is already speculation too
dense plover
when someone kills that blue dragon or onyxia, ogrimmar/stormwind change
when you beat sargeras, silithus changed
warfront stuff causes arathi to change based on who is in charge
so its hard to say what this feature ACTUALLY is
like - all the things people are speculating it does are things the game already can do or has done
phased buildings in parts of a zone? warlords did that
parts of a zone changing every few days? patch 8.3 did that
upper pasture
you must be alot of fun at parties
dense plover
the enemies and structures in a zone changing based on what players do? arathi and darkshore did that
im just saying it could literally be nothing because right now it IS nothing
and if it IS something, it would have to be something that isnt already a thing theyve done
the speculation of "what if they did this thing they already did" sorta defeats the point of coding a new system doesnt it?
all im saying is IF you want to speculate on the feature, you probably need to think a LOT farther outside the box
subtle oar
its like how people thought actioncam was going to be the big new thing and then...
It's not canned. Bellular has a video from Legion about how to activate it
upper pasture
they've had capturable main citys?
dense plover
It's not canned. Bellular has a video from Legion about how to activate it
pretty sure it got fully removed in shadowlands
subtle oar
its way to early to even speculate on the feature. At this point it could litera...
This
dense plover
they've had capturable main citys?
we arent going back to a faction war
and also thats functionally what arathi/darkshore did
upper pasture
we could be headed to a faction shuffle
subtle oar
pretty sure it got fully removed in shadowlands
That'd be the first I heard of that. I'd have to look that up
dense plover
also sort of a thing going all the way back to TBC with capturing the 3 towers in hellfire
upper pasture
also sort of a thing going all the way back to TBC with capturing the 3 towers i...
yeah that's what i used as my example
subtle oar
we could be headed to a faction shuffle
What does that even mean
upper pasture
if you've looked at any voidVlight post people have been talking about faction shuffles and alliances changing
dense plover
i think theyre saying races would switch factions which is definitely not gonna happen
subtle oar
if you've looked at any voidVlight post people have been talking about faction s...
So a fake leak?
dense plover
can you imagine - youve been playing a tauren of the horde since vanilla and because of 10.0 now you are forced to join the alliance? jesus the shitshow that would cause
no chance anything like that will ever happen
upper pasture
why is an alliance swapping sides out of the question now? we have crossfaction play coming it won't matter who you group with anymore
subtle oar
can you imagine - youve been playing a tauren of the horde since vanilla and bec...
This. 1000000% this. This is just as bad a choice as removing factions outright
dense plover
why is an alliance swapping sides out of the question now? we have crossfaction ...
except its only crossfaction premade
upper pasture
if anything its more reasonable now
upper pasture
and it would effect random ques and story
dense plover
if i make a tauren because i like the tauren and the horde and blizzard forces tauren to join the alliance, that would be fucked
subtle oar
and it would effect random ques and story
Negatively
dense plover
and it would effect random ques and story
crossfaction doesnt do that
upper pasture
but you can still group up with you friends and do end game stuff
dense plover
the changes they are making are literally just to premade groups tho
upper pasture
thats what im saying
upper pasture
no shit
dense plover
thats what im saying
no it isnt
you said there was a faction shuffle coming
theyre not going to shuffle the factions
dense plover
they literally reinforced the concept in the post they just made about crossfaction
crossfaction guilds will probably happen eventually but crossfaction fully? why even have factions then?
it would literally only effect the story you see
which is the entire point of playing an alliance and horde character
and thats part of wow's business model - having you play 2 characters means you spend more time playing the game
upper pasture
leaders change and vaules change too if BE want to go back to alliance sure thats great in all makes for more story does it effect end game content anymore at 9.2.5? no it doesn't
i never said it IS going to happen just that it could
dense plover
except if im a blood elf and want to stay on the horde, and blizz says now youre alliance?
what happens then?
am i just fucked?
upper pasture
who knows but you can still effectivetly play with all your horde friends uneffected
dense plover
also blood elves literally left the alliance because they were abandoned during warcraft 3 and because when they gave into their magic addiction they were still refused help
dense plover
who knows but you can still effectivetly play with all your horde friends uneffe...
so you are literally saying you would force faction change
that will never happen
like, not "could"
definitely never
upper pasture
how is it forced if gameplay is uneffected
dense plover
BECAUSE PLAYER IDENTITY IN AN RPG MATTERS
upper pasture
you would still be ablel to do everything you can do now then
dense plover
thats one of the biggest facets of successful MMORPGs
subtle oar
BECAUSE PLAYER IDENTITY IN AN RPG MATTERS
💯 💯 💯 💯 💯
dense plover
having my player identity decided for me takes away all agency
upper pasture
who knows we might get neutral cities again in 10.0 and faction hubs are dead
dense plover
people dislike the resolution of the sylvanas choice, but you HAD that choice
dense plover
who knows we might get neutral cities again in 10.0 and faction hubs are dead
never going to happen
they put a ton of work into updating Org and SW
upper pasture
seems like you're the only one stuck in your ideals of being correct
dense plover
no, you are creating impossible scenarios
neutral expac capital is absolutely possible
but theyre not going to abandon ogrimmar and stormwind
upper pasture
you just said its never gonna happen
dense plover
faction hubs will stay around
again - they put a ton of work into updating the two main capitals over the past 2 expacs
upper pasture
they aren't taken out of the game per say but they won't have 10.0 vendors or what makes 10.0 special in there so you'll have to at least visit "new city" to do X,Y,Z
dense plover
yeah....thats how capitals in expacs work
dalaran had stuff only dalaran had
but you still had to go back to ogrimmar or stormwind for auction house
and in shadowlands you have to go back for auction house and portal room
upper pasture
whos to say AH aren't cross faction come 10.0 and we have one in the new city?
dense plover
they didnt even put an AH in dalaran
you really think they would put one in the new capital when both dalaran AND oribos didnt have one?
upper pasture
Oribos has one
upper pasture
its still there
dense plover
just like in MoP and Legion
thats not the same
dont make false comparisons to try and prove a point that has no ground
cross faction AH wont happen because AH is region wide and that would obliterate the economy
upper pasture
don't say things in absolute when its false
dense plover
theyve literally played with it in the past and it was so reviled that they decided against it
solid vapor
It’s the auction house
You don’t fuck with the auction house
Every time they do it break things
dense plover
^also this - for several reasons
the code is so old and fucked that trying to make it regional broke stuff they didnt fix until shadowlands
upper pasture
yeah sure just keep thinking things can't change because its always been like this
dense plover
crossfaction would be worse
dense plover
yeah sure just keep thinking things can't change because its always been like t...
no, im thinking things cant change because code debt is a real thing you cant ignore
solid vapor
yeah sure just keep thinking things can't change because its always been like t...
It can change
But ah is the hardest
dense plover
i thought it was region wide but faction specific?
solid vapor
I woudont fuck with it unless it’s the last thing I need to do
deep pawn
Nope, AH is server based, but cross faction
upper pasture
oh no the econmy
dense plover
i see
upper pasture
its craashing
dense plover
they tried to do the OTHER thing
subtle oar
Lehr, stop
dense plover
woops
flip what i said essentially - they made it cross faction but not region wide because regionwide was breaking stuff
subtle oar
You're going full Pyromancer
dense plover
and yes, they did break stuff that didnt get fixed until shadowlands
legion literally had to hotfix that you couldnt search for robes in the AH because when they made it crossfaction is broke a ton of stuff
upper pasture
look all im saying is anything is possible with enough time and effort
dense plover
time is money
upper pasture
and MS has a lot of it
dense plover
they could make new features instead of fucking over players but taking away agency
dense plover
and MS has a lot of it
microsoft doesnt matter until after 10.0
deal hasnt gone through and likely wont be finalized until june of 2023
upper pasture
and every day is closer to 10.0
subtle oar
microsoft doesnt matter until after 10.0
Not even then. Not til 11.0
subtle oar
10.0 is already being developed
dense plover
oh okay i wont speculate anything until june 2023 thanks
not what we said and you know it
we are saying MS isnt involved until then
because they arent
upper pasture
i know this
dense plover
then why did you say MS has money as a response if they literally dont factor into anything right now?
solid vapor
and also MS isnt going to just spend money to spend money
Even then Microsoft gives a budget and allows a company to be themselves
dense plover
Even then Microsoft gives a budget and allows a company to be themselves
thats what im saying
upper pasture
hell MS might even get denied buying it by the SEC
dense plover
if microsoft is spending money, its either as a budget or expecting a ROI
solid vapor
Microsoft would just allow a bigger budget and more time
dense plover
hell MS might even get denied buying it by the SEC
i actually think this is still a distinct possibility
solid vapor
Microsoft is willingly to delay when needed
dense plover
Microsoft is willingly to delay when needed
thats not neccesarily true for something like WoW
MMOs have maintenance and upkeep costs on a scale that most other games do not have
solid vapor
thats not neccesarily true for something like WoW
If they want to keep the money machine rolling ye
Let’s say Microsoft owned wow when shadowlands was being released
dense plover
thats the thing though - if you delay an expansion or patch too long, people unsub and those that unsub doesnt always resub
subtle oar
Delaying a singleplayer game is acceptable. Delaying an MMO expansion is a dangerous game of balancing
dense plover
a larger delay wouldnt have fixed shadowlands
solid vapor
Surprisingly with halo
dense plover
shadowlands had core design issues that they refused to fix
solid vapor
a larger delay wouldnt have fixed shadowlands
It would’ve been better
Fixed isn’t a possibility
Shadowlands is fundamentally flawed
subtle oar
It would’ve been better
In actuality, it wouldn't have.
dense plover
the fact that you STILL cant effectively level in torghast is an absolute disservice to how fucking awesome it felt during alpha and beta
solid vapor
My point was they would delay when needed
They have before and it saved many games
Halo specifically
upper pasture
the fact that you STILL cant effectively level in torghast is an absolute disser...
define effectively
dense plover
lets say 10.0 needs another year - another year without an expac would kill wow
dense plover
define effectively
torghast and only torghast for 50 to 60
subtle oar
My point was they would delay when needed
You can't just delay MMO content for a year or more. It's just not that easy.
dense plover
it was a thing in alpha and beta
upper pasture
i leveled plently of alts in torg
dense plover
it fucking rocked
solid vapor
You can't just delay MMO content for a year or more. It's just not that easy.
Who ever said a year?
I just said delayed
dense plover
i leveled plently of alts in torg
you do not get xp for completing floors, i dont know what you are talking about
dense plover
I just said delayed
im giving a hypothetical
and halo is a bad example
its not an MMO
dense plover
there are no current subscribers
solid vapor
Or one month
upper pasture
the daily quest from the quest giver and the clear exp and mob exp
dense plover
the daily quest from the quest giver and the clear exp and mob exp
yeah so - you cant grind out 50 to 60 in a day
you play a bit each day
it sucks
it was way more fun in alpha and beta for leveling
i know - i was there
upper pasture
i mean sure if you want to grind it out yeah it sucked
dense plover
i have twitch VODs doing that
subtle oar
I just said delayed
That's a vaguery. Slands would have needed 2 years at most to implement all that it has NOW to be acceptable.
upper pasture
but if you just leveling once a day it was fine
solid vapor
That's a vaguery. Slands would have needed 2 years at most to implement all that...
It was just an example of recent work that wokld benefit with a delay
NOT A FIX
dense plover
you could level in torghast from 50 to 60 in like 7 or 8 hours and it was fun the entire time
solid vapor
Just an example of a recent expansion
upper pasture
it was overtuned then
dense plover
no
it was fun
what do you not get about having alternate leveling methods available?
subtle oar
It was just an example of recent work that wokld benefit with a delay
SLands got a month delay. It did nothing
dense plover
because they killed it for no discernable reason
subtle oar
And it threatened the stability of the game
dense plover
questing or threads takes about the same amount of time
it just isnt fun the 4th time
upper pasture
if torghast took you 7-8 hours to level everyone would just level in there and all other content would be dead
solid vapor
SLands got a month delay. It did nothing
OK. I just used the most recent expansion since it would make more sense than saying something like mop or wod
dense plover
if torghast took you 7-8 hours to level everyone would just level in there and a...
except thats how long 50-60 questing takes
and threads of fate is 5-6 hours in ideal circumstances
so thats blatantly false
subtle oar
When Peach and I are on the same side, one really needs to question whether they are correct
upper pasture
i've never leveled 50-60 in 7-8 hours in threads
dense plover
i've never leveled 50-60 in 7-8 hours in threads
then youre doing it wrong
upper pasture
strange i'm enjoying myself
and i enjoyed myself leveing in torghast once a day on alts too
solid vapor
And honestly right now 10.0 needs to be good so if it needs a short delay it’s definitely getting that delay
dense plover
i enjoyed blasting through torghast during the alpha and beta and cant stand doing the same story 10 times or the same threads of fate that STILL DOESNT GET YOU TO 60
subtle oar
and i enjoyed myself leveing in torghast once a day on alts too
You are not the playerbase as a whole
dense plover
the fact that even now threads on its own doesnt provide enough XP to level FUCKING SUCKS
upper pasture
and nether are you two
subtle oar
We represent majority opinion.
dense plover
theres no reason that the alternate leveling method shouldnt at least be able to get you from 50-60
upper pasture
oh my bad
subtle oar
Literally if me and Peach, agree, you, are wrong
upper pasture
oh okay
dense plover
ignoring them killing torghast leveling, threads sucks
alt leveling methods should by definition be slightly faster than regular leveling
subtle oar
It is super extremely rate that Peach and I ever agree on anything
dense plover
this is STILL not true without having premade dungeon groups
i dont want to have to run dungeons on alts that i only level for gear and story
but with threads you have to because the threads system doesnt provide enough XP
even though it was advertised as a way for alts to get a different leveling experience that was supposed to be faster than just questing 50-60
upper pasture
my only issue with torghast leveling is the loss of gold
subtle oar
ToF should have showered the player with everything they need to be immediately caught up.
dense plover
torghast should at least provide half a level for the daily
upper pasture
how nice would it be if we got bonus exp for every max level character?
dense plover
i shouldnt have to play 10 hours to level a character when i know the story already
upper pasture
so alt leveling wouldn't take forever
dense plover
how nice would it be if we got bonus exp for every max level character?
like FFXIV's armory bonus? sure would
upper pasture
yeah
dense plover
considering how fucked threads XP is STILL, i doubt it
literally they could hotfix the threads zone capstone quests to each reward a level's worth of XP and it would fix everything
and its actually hotfixable
it doesnt even require a patch or anything
upper pasture
the last two times i did threads i held on to my "helping" quests until 59 then turned them all in and got a level so i only have to do 3 levels in each zone and then turn those in and it worked nicely
dense plover
threads should be doing the side stories in each zone and then leaving to do the next zone
if it was that, it would take 6-8 hours to get from 50-60 and wouldnt require any other stuff
and people would also get to experience all of the IMPORTANT side stories in each of the zones
they put a ton of lore in those stories and they actually effect the main story
threads couldve been an opportunity to tell 2 stories, the main story and the side story and provide players with more complete lore
instead its kinda shit because you likely need to run dungeons to get enough progress and if you are a dps that means waiting forever for queues
upper pasture
do torghast instead easy fix
dense plover
did you play early torghast?
upper pasture
yes
upper pasture
when 5 manning torghast was not something you wanted to do cause it would take hours
no i don't do alphas for WoW anymore it ruins a lot of the fun (last one i did was WoLK and level a DK)
dense plover
alpha torghast was fucking awesome
it was like 30 mins for a run (if you wanted) and you could keep climbing higher and higher getting super overpowered
upper pasture
honestly 9.1 torghast is good too a lot better than launch torghast
upper pasture
i do miss the endless torghast that they said we would get
dense plover
alpha torghast was so fun that they killed it because they were worried people wouldnt have as much fun doing other content because they stumbled on the fun by accident
blizzard doesnt know how to make fun
dense plover
they find it and then when its too fun compared to the rest of their endgame activities they have to ruin it or people will complain about the other activities not being fun
dense plover
i have fun
but you dont have the baseline to compare it to
upper pasture
i mean i do
dense plover
if youve only had vanilla ice cream and you try some strawberry ice cream, sure theyre both good, but if you havent had chocolate ice cream, you dont have the same comparison
upper pasture
and i don't need to experience all the flavors to enjoy what i like
this is why i stopped doing alphas because sometimes change can sour things and make things unenjoyable
dense plover
but thats the fucking point im making
upper pasture
and the point i'm making is you don't enjoy it but I do
dense plover
if something was better before, why cant it go back to being that good? why should we accept that its only okay?
if someone tells you that something used to be better, you responding with "but i like this" is a non-sequiter
im not discounting you enjoying a thing, im pointing out that the thing you enjoy can be better than it is
and you are saying its good enough
which is stupid
upper pasture
no use of crying over spilt milk, its not going to be the system in was in alpha and thats too bad but what we have now is plenty enjoyable
upper pasture
they also must of had enough feedback to change the systems they had in alpha because they felt the need to do so instead of letting it drop on live like so
dense plover
they also must of had enough feedback to change the systems they had in alpha be...
exept that wasnt true
the only thing people wanted was for no keys to lock us out and for us to have clearer times on when to feel good about leaving a run