#beta-ptr-spoilers

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signal bone
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"it's not that bad" or "its always been like this" should not be a valid defense of this. Why do we always have to play through Blizz's braindead skinner box content to get to the good stuff?

strange falcon
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because there's a lot of people who either silently leave,or dont take a stand and just take it.
and even when people take a stand,they're ignored by blizzard.

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either blizzard themselves realizes their faults,or they self-destruct, there is no 3rd option

balmy gate
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Is it the same for alts as well? Would I have to grind the rep to revered on every alt to unlock the ability to use a 2nd leggo?

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Or is it an account-wide unlock on your main?

cosmic beacon
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If the tweet I sent is right then you don’t need rep for the belt

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Just to put it on other slots

subtle oar
clever ruin
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Yep i alr read it

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I didnt expect that much

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And what about exalted? This is worse than codex. Still its the worst-case, but too bad

clever ruin
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Sadly they seem to not want it idk why

strange falcon
# subtle oar

Hey, if you do this and flying req. at the same time,
After 28days of diligent boring daily chores you'll get both
""""Its not that bad""""

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Timegates in a pay per month game are already scummy as a concept

clever ruin
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Since they want us to stay for more time even if the content isnt that good

plain violet
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Beware, it's a maximum of 28 days.

clever ruin
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Yeah worst-case

plain violet
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Not a minimal of 28 days.

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Sure people will obtain it way in advance.

clever ruin
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I would want to see how much, its reverred it shouldnt be that much

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It shouldnt, i repeat

plain violet
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I do hope so.

strange falcon
clever ruin
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Weekly quest that gives the same as a wq

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:V

strange falcon
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I have to spotlight this youtube comment though
" "Its just the PTR" is whats written on the side of the copium tank"
10/10 comment

plain violet
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Actually it does make it better, 28 days is not that much as it's a classic period of content consumed, but also leave us with the information that normally, we will unlock it before those 28 days.

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Like exalted with Wild Hunt could take 3 month worse case, but in general will take less.

clever ruin
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Like mage tower

plain violet
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Like 500, 1000.

clever ruin
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Or 1500

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Like death advance weekly

plain violet
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Yup, would be nice.

subtle oar
clever ruin
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Legendary powers, yes

subtle oar
plain violet
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Every congregation reputation, Korthia reputation, etc.

clever ruin
subtle oar
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If no one needs it, then no

clever ruin
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Every power contributes, either is good or not. Eonar at launch of SL wasnt bad, got nerfed

subtle oar
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It was terrible on launch

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Literally no class or spec needed it

clever ruin
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Not rlly, i dont remember how did it worked but it wasnt that bad

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Still its power for the player so its player power

deep pawn
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Daily capped grinds are just not acceptable anymore

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Especially if there's no built in catch up if you don't play a day

urban spire
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if they want to do gating it should be like conquest in MoP

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each week your cap increased by I think about 900 or so

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so if you didn't play for a week or 2

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you could catch up and be on the same field as everyone else

upper pasture
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I mean that’s pretty much how they handled the box of many secrets in torghast but no it still shouldn’t be time gated

urban spire
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It will always be gated

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that's a reality we have to deal with

upper pasture
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I understand this

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The gate ensures the subs remain

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But hey some people need to be limited on how much they can obtain in a day or we will regress into sitting in buckets again

deep pawn
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If they want to timegate it, timegate it with something you can do fast later on. Heaven forbid RNG lets some get it done in like 21 days

urban spire
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yeah timegate rng is the coming from the same place that titan forging was

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it seems like an okay idea because "hey there is a chance it gets done faster than normal for you"

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But then it just means people with shit luck get hardcore fked

mossy meteor
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It's pretty obvious that it's not final

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It'll be changed to be available for the mythic week

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It's definitely not gonna take 30 days

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At worst, 15ish days

urban spire
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how is it obvious it's not final?

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What indicators? Blizzard has a track record of doing exactly what all of us are speculating

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until they've done someone that isn't what they've done in the past with systems like this over and over, I won't expect anything different

opaque pewter
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They're right in saying it's simply not final until it is. It doesn't mean it will change or not lol

strange falcon
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"The gate ensures the subs remain"
If the content was good/fun and repeatable,they wouldnt need this much gating for "the subs to remain"

strange falcon
deep pawn
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It's just beta is worse

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Even if it's reduced to 14 days it's still a terrible design having it tied to a daily cap

strange falcon
deep pawn
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I just want to no longer be punished for not logging in every day

mossy meteor
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not in regards to wow anyway

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it's what the world first raiders are predicting because if anyone knows how the systems work, it's them

deep pawn
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They're hoping they don't have to plan around getting double legendaries halfway through prog

signal bone
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shouldn't that say minimum

plain violet
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No no, maximum.

tropic trail
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So doubel legendary. Will we be forced to wear this belt + any other piece? Also can this belt have other legendary power than covenant? I'm wondering if it make sense to craft covenant legendary now and waste like 60k gold for it

deep pawn
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The belt won't need to be crafted. If you want the memory on any other slot you'll have to craft it

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You can only equip one current Legendary and the 9.2 memory

subtle oar
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And yes, it will be required for progression raiding and pvp

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Because the power spike a leggo brings

rain cave
strange falcon
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nono, you need to commit to diligent farming like a good payer

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😂

rain cave
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blizzard content creation is such a joke

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it's annoying

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I enjoy raiding, and doing the odd M+ and story stuff

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but raiding is such a pain to get into, even if the raids are good

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like the actual content they can make is good

strange falcon
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now now,payer, you're legally not allowed to enjoy raiding unless you do your daily chores!

rain cave
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but everything else is shit

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shadowlands leggos being gold sinks is also a meme

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I've tried hard at points in my playtime to actually farm gold through professions

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and it don't do shit

strange falcon
rain cave
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I sometimes feel like they should stop bothering with stuff like professions for anything other than side content fun because I don't get any fun from it

glass flicker
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Selling Korthia crystals was a good way to earn gold.

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I got 90k through that alone.

rain cave
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like I just want to play WoW and not have to worry

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but every xpac recently it's like

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more than ilvl you gotta worry about

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and other crap

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they lack a good drop in to play system

strange falcon
rain cave
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there's no world in the world of warcraft anymore, but they still pretend like there is and hold back the quality of life of other stuff they try to do

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90k is like all my gold atm xd

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I feel like blizzard need to just re-evaluate everything about how they function

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management of content creation, game creation ideaology

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etc

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like it's nothing that hasn't been said before but fucking hell

plain violet
rain cave
plain violet
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Thus why "worse-case". That's in the case you do the absolute minimum of efforts (but still log on each day).
No, it's because you have multiple optional quests, and drops that give bonus. Here, it was in the case you just log, do the minimal quests, then disconnect.

rain cave
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so how can there be a maximum

plain violet
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Someone who do the optional cypher quest will have more rep.

upper pasture
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Also it would be less if you’re human

plain violet
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Someone who drop also.

rain cave
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28 days after patch there will still be people without the belt who are playing

plain violet
upper pasture
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Yes those people who aren’t doing all their ZM quests daily

rain cave
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I wish there was something like classic that was retail

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lmao

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does anyone else just not want to play classic because of what it is

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like I don't want to touch classic because I know it's just irrelevant content

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solved game

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no surprises

upper pasture
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Nope, been there done that. You think retail is a grind. Good luck

strange falcon
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in retail,95% of "current content" is endgame,

plain violet
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It was also done considering the quests didn't offered token rep, but they can offer token.

strange falcon
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while in classic,the "bulk" of the content is the leveling,there's relatively very little once you hit max

rain cave
plain violet
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Also, remember.

rain cave
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they have such a large backlog of content that is irrelevant in retail

plain violet
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Your second legendary ISN'T tied to the famous 28 days.

rain cave
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they should use it

plain violet
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Also, the memory is account wide.

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So one character = all alt can have it day one.

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Actually, there is also two more informations.
Some quests have a way too low rep gain.
Some WQ too.

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I hope and I think, the weekly quest will have its rep gain in line with the previous one.

deep pawn
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Nope, this way they get to keep double leggo out of rtwf and sucker most into two months of subs

astral jasper
deep pawn
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Only some bosses and at the absolute last minute

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So living world animations eh? Gives some credence to people saying next expansion deals with an awake Azeroth

astral jasper
dense plover
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No idea

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It means nothing on its own

uncut vault
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Something to probably keep in mind is that model animations don’t necessarily mean it’s like, a person

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Cause models can encompass a lot of things

deep pawn
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Well there's that one "leak" that talks about World Shaping

nocturne totem
vestal wing
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exactly - playing only with retail players myself I can confirm that classic has no relevancy or impact on anything we do or care about

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especially when it comes to 9.2 I don't see how Classic has any relevancy

urban spire
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that's just your opinion though

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I have played both, and definitely think that classic has relevancy to retail

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not to mention, in shadowlands they literally added consumables to professions because of classic

nocturne totem
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I think doge was alluding to the fact that this channel is for 9.2 discussion

urban spire
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ohhhh

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sorry my vad

urban spire
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@deep pawn that leak has my best guess on what the next expac is. I think that some of the information is real, but that the OP built off of it

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so I think there is some truth in that leak, but not all of it is truthful

subtle oar
urban spire
upper pasture
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hmm.... neat, i hope its more of a rebuilding the dragonflights tho and not just the black.

tepid fiber
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Eh

dense plover
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It doesn’t sound as out there as a lot of leaks

upper pasture
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we could have 5 threads for story one to each flight helping them do whatever it is they want to be doing. IE Reds helping heal azeroth, blue something with the laylines and or magic sources, bronze dealing with the infinite, green the fall out of Shadowlands and the loss/rebirth of Ysera and then rebuilding the black dragonflight

dense plover
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If it is legit, which is unlikely, it definitely fits a lot of what would fit into the lore at this point and if it is fake, which is more likely, the person who came up with this has a good understanding of the story, the lore, and a general idea of expac design decisions in wow

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I will say that dragon isles is extremely likely at this point

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It was what I thought 9.0 was originally going to be with all of the dragon stuff in BfA and Legiob

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Legion

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At this point dragon isles is the only major plot point left on Azeroth and considering they managed to fully avoid it in BfA, it is all but inevitable in the near future since they have confirmed it’s existence

urban spire
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well that and turaylon on the throne

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that's a fairly big plot point, but aside from that, I think dragon isles is the last thing they have been setting up for some time

upper pasture
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personally i think they'll let that sit for an expansion. do dragon isles then the light war

urban spire
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yeah me too

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They realized we dont like cosmic shit back to back

upper pasture
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cosmic shit back to back is okay but sometimes its nice to break it up with something different

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idk, i just can't wait to see what the new expansion is going to be and be excited for new things

urban spire
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same. I get a lot of peoples frustration with the current game, but I won't lie. I get pretty excited for a new expansion regardless

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And I definitely did enjoy most of my time playing shadowlands, it's likely my least favourite expac, but not everything about it was bad.

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I haven't stayed subbed to the game since WoD, but in Legion that was due to school. BfA was the first one I quit wow for a bit, but even then I still enjoyed leveling and early endgame for BfA

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I still hope it's better than BfA and SL though. I'd love to stay subbed for the whole expansion instead of just for a few months this time around

dense plover
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SLs was the first time i quit

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14 was so much better that WoW felt gross

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i hope the new expac fixes that

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but also im enjoying playing 14 with a couple of close friends

urban spire
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I personally just can't get into ff14, not my kind of game. I hate the ui and the combat. Personal opinion though, I don't think it's a bad game by any stretch, just not for me

tepid fiber
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Yeah, not much of a fan of JRPGs either

dense plover
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JRPG has taken on a different meaning than just "an rpg from japan"

tepid fiber
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Potato, tomato

glass flicker
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I just wish WoW would stop using the Rule of Cool™ so much. Everything must be metal. Everything must be hype. It just got old.

subtle oar
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Oh come on, Azeroth being a Dragon isnt outlandish to you? xD

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Playable Black Dragon race?

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xD

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Magni somehow reverts from his Diamond form?

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Trogg progenitor race? Troggs are literally mutated Earthen

tepid fiber
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And yeah it's much too soon for a new race

mighty wolf
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Got a lot of "Wuuuuuut?happy " when i read this "leak" khadgarface (expt. Dragon Isles zone)

dense plover
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i mean - tbf, azeroth needs to look like SOMETHING, and having some draconic aspects might make some sense

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dragons are native to azeroth

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again - i dont think its legit

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but its not outlandish nonsense like some of the leaks last time were

ancient jasper
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Eh.. It's been a LONG time since we've seen an actual new race added to the game unless you count Vulpera. The rest are all off-shoots of races that are already in the game.

tepid fiber
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It's still 10 additional player race options

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Only added one xpac ago

upper pasture
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Also wouldn’t it kinda be weird to give Dragonkins new forms since well they can take any form they like? So canonically our current characters could technically be dragons

tepid fiber
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There are enough people rping their characters as dragons already

opaque pewter
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I'm actually trying to evaluate what would happen if the next expac doesn't have new races or class. I've pretty much settled down on a combination, but I reckon it was one of the game's best selling point

glass flicker
tepid fiber
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Don't @ me

glass flicker
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Tempted to say "make me"

tepid fiber
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I'd rather not, you make me very uncomfortable and it's best not to open that window

tepid fiber
opaque pewter
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Either way, it's a lot of work yeah. Multiplicative even

tepid fiber
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Definitely, because you add one new thing and you have to tweak it around all of the other things in the same slot

glass flicker
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Tbh, I think troll is a better fit for Azeroth's likeness.

opaque pewter
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Not only on the gameplay part. But pretty much the assets and background lol.
Add one race and you have 2 new models for each sex, animation for each class/weapon, voice acting, background lore...
Add a class and you add new animations to all existing races, and so on..

cunning fossil
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Can't wait for 10.0 honestly.

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Mainly because I feel like this one HAS to be good

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Otherwise we all might see the ship sink fast.
But beyond that, I just think it might be a healthy refresh for the game

tepid fiber
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That attitude still feels like hype poison to me

cunning fossil
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Maybe it's misplaced optimism

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But you know, I just like the game for so long now

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Qnd I havn't even been around that long

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I only started around Legion

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So like idk I want it to do well but significant change needs to happen if I want that

tepid fiber
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I just hope that nobody tries this "removing the factions" crap

glass flicker
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WoW is not hopeless, but it needs something good next expansion.

tepid fiber
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Good is subjective. I think what would help more is if people stopped making up what they think or want will happen and then getting upset when it doesn't happen exactly like their headcanon

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A few less armchair reviewers and backseat devs would be nice too

glass flicker
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I'm speaking in terms of story right now, in terms of gameplay, the game's fucked.

tepid fiber
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Eh

opaque pewter
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Why so? I think it plays pretty well right now

glass flicker
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They just keep piling on systems. It's not ideal.

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And learning how to play your spec again because things keep changing can be a good thing. But not through ten systems of borrowed power each patch.

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For example, Visions of N'zoth's gameplay was RNG incarnate, and your spec didn't matter because the void beam procs were so good.

opaque pewter
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I do like that it's remixed every so often. I'm not sure I'd be able to play the same spec with no addition for 5 years on the other hand

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Borrowed power is a good thing to keep it fresh. But it seems that a group of people have decided that the mere mention of it is automatically bad and it seeped in some people's mind.

glass flicker
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Borrowed power is good when it adds to something rather than being there for the sake of it.

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Legendaries are borrowed power and they're great. If they weren't gold sinks.

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Conduits are also borrowed power and they're neat.

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I specifically aimed for Corrupted Gear in Visions of N'zoth because that was borrowed power that didn't change your spec or rotation. Only added RNG effects or buffed your stats a little.

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In this regard, even Azerite Armor was better.

tepid fiber
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So your major complaint is about a system that doesn't exist anymore and had the RNG element removed when the corruption vendor became a thing?

cunning fossil
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The corruption vendor came in WAY too late

glass flicker
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My major complaint is they might repeat something like that.

cunning fossil
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And at the beginning was flawed

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To be fair Gum.

tepid fiber
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I wouldn't say it was flawed as much as it bootyrustled minmaxers because of RNG

cunning fossil
glass flicker
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It also endorsed having a low item level. What if you got a really good effect on a low ilvl item and couldn't replace it with something higher because the effect was too good?

cunning fossil
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again I do not hate borrowed power.

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I'm fine with it

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I think they can be fun editions

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But they need to feel like add ons

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Just "Increase X abilities damage by X percent" is boring in. My opinion

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I like effects. I like procs

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I like effect thingies on my screen

glass flicker
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Then make it a spec oriented proc.

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Blackout Kick's 8% proc now deals 25% increased damage, as an example.

cunning fossil
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Oh no I totally support that.
What I mean is that gear like tier sets or mechagon braces are borrowed power things that really enhance gameplay imo without making it bogged down by an extra grind on top of just getting gear and gold

glass flicker
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In Visions of N'zoth, spec honestly didn't matter.

cunning fossil
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Visions of N'zoth was so fun.

I remember Destro Arenas

glass flicker
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You could make a group of forty ret paladins with void beams and wipe an entire city.

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Got into trouble?

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Bubble.

cunning fossil
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(I was never the Warlock btw

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(I am also being sarcadtic

glass flicker
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And it didn't have to be a paladin specifically. They just had the best chances of survival.

opaque pewter
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I think a different group of people did like that aspect of vision of nzoth. Specifically for the more casual people it was a very gratifying reward. But yes, it generalized powers if that's what you meant to say

glass flicker
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It's not just generalizing powers. It also made your choice of class and spec meaningless, since everyone could shoot lasers out of the sky.

opaque pewter
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You had more issues with the tuning than the concept itself then

cunning fossil
glass flicker
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Pretty much.

cunning fossil
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But yeah I know WM off hur dur

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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It's more like a gangbang if it's a group of 5 people camping your Corpse for a good hour and ahalf

glass flicker
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You were also dead weight if RNGesus wasn't on your side.

cunning fossil
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BUT I ain't gonna say I didn't deserve it

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RNG just wasn't on my side

tepid fiber
opaque pewter
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Solo in world PvP is asking for trouble heh

cunning fossil
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I get that but damn man

tepid fiber
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fr. There's a reason the group finder exists for pvp too

cunning fossil
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I get that y'all. But I don't think you guys are grasping the fact that if you were lucky enough to get those corruptions. You just steam rolled everyone in PvP

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World or Arena or BGs

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Again I don't have borrowed power but at times, it's frustrating to know that you're playing around it rather than the class

opaque pewter
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But yeah in high end raid context the RNG of some of them was fairly solved and sometimes controlled. It probably did affect PvP differently though heh

cunning fossil
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It fucked pvp

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To be perfectly honest

tepid fiber
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I mean that depends on if you were winning or losing

cunning fossil
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.9 second Cast of Chaos Bolts that one hit you the moment they connect

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Was kinda silly.

cunning fossil
glass flicker
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Good ol' Spell Reflect, how I missed you.

cunning fossil
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Not everything is subjective and therefore "irrelevant"

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I'm just saying how it was

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And EVERYONE thought it

tepid fiber
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Everyone is a generalizing statement

cunning fossil
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If you were in the PvP space when some what during 8.3, you knew that you were going to lose if the enemy lovk got off their Chaos bolt

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Gumball, please. Don't do semantics.
I say everyone qs a generalizing term meaning the entire PvP community

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Because yes

tepid fiber
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The entire pvp community?

cunning fossil
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Damn close to it. Even the warlocks were getting sick of getting one shot by other locks

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Do you want me to get a slip signed by everyone who was around during 8.3 to prove that it wasn't exactly a great patch for PvP?

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Am I gonna have to take notes of specifics for every argument I make?
No one is going to have the full details. But I can at least take incredibly educated guesses.

tepid fiber
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I find that type of language incredibly problematic for informative discussion, that's all

cunning fossil
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Just because there was that one guy who says "IDK destrolock was kinda weak in 8 3", does not make my point any less true or supported by sufficient evidence

tepid fiber
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Makes it all feels-based

glass flicker
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I hope balance is never "get cookie crazy one-shot kills as every spec" again.

cunning fossil
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It shouldn't be all feels based or "logic" based either.

Sometimes, shit feels bad

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And when you're playing a agame, and something that shouldn't feel that bad feels THAT bad

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It should be fixed

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Sorry if I sound super frustrated. I' just trying to get my point across

tepid fiber
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And when you say "everyone feels this" without getting everyone's say, it's not very genuine

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I get your point, I just disagree with the attitude

glass flicker
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How do you even get everyone's opinion?

tepid fiber
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You don't, that's the point

cunning fossil
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Let me say then "A majority of people"

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I'll try to say that more

tepid fiber
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"a vocal portion"

cunning fossil
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That kinda makes it sound elite they're loud but not numerous tbh

tepid fiber
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Just, like, overgeneralized blanket statements that assume a bunch of subjective stuff doesn't help an argument

cunning fossil
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How then are you gonna have sufficient evidence for an argument about systems in an MMORPG

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How it feels to play the game is all that matters and how many people feel that way as well

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Like, I know it isn't every body

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Hell

tepid fiber
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Talk about your anecdotal experience, current patch info that's relevant to the convo, bring up factual and verifiable data, and don't assume the opinions of everyone

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Easy

cunning fossil
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I AM that guy who says "Covenants are pretty cool tbh, even with their flaws"

glass flicker
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8.3 was still bad. Bad for PvE players, due to how corruption worked, especially during the N'zoth fight, and bad for PvP due to scaling.

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Pet battlers honestly had the time of their lives in BfA.

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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But whenever I put forth anecdotal evidence. I get shut down by "That's anecdotal"

glass flicker
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My opinion against yours.

cunning fossil
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And what kind of data am I gonna bring up. GUM?

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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I don't analyze wow statistics for a living. I'm not bellular

glass flicker
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Or Gumball in this scenario.

cunning fossil
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I'm not even saying I'm always right and that I think everyone should think like me

tepid fiber
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Not saying that

cunning fossil
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But when you see a 5:1 ratio in tweets saying q feature is bad, the feature is probably bad

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And sometimes. I qm that 1

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Remember, I still like covenants to a certain extent.

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Does that mean that my opinion on what sucks about them and what they should change matters?

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Yes, but probably less than the people who feel like complete shit when they play the game

glass flicker
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Covenants are decent, and conduits work as a progression system. My only issue is the anime grind.

cunning fossil
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Wait how did we go from Borrowed Power to yhis

glass flicker
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This literal life-giving spooge is just a currency to buy boring cosmetics with.

cunning fossil
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Conduits would be cooler if they didn't start so low IMO.

And if they were less percentage increases qnd more "X has a chance to" or "X has additional synergistic effect"

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More of those would've been awesome

glass flicker
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It'd been cool if some of the artifact powers from Legion made their way into the conduits system.

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Like Blunderbuss for Outlaw.

cunning fossil
glass flicker
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Or Sprint automatically using Feint.

cunning fossil
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I liked the frost mage bonus from ebonchill in legion

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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When you could have 3 FoF procs

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Fine fine understandable

upper pasture
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Would people liked that or would they have just called Blizz lazy and just copy and pasting from a past expansion?

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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^^^

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Pretty much

tepid fiber
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No matter what you do, someone is gonna bitch about it

glass flicker
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Reusing ideas that worked is good, but it can be called recycling.

cunning fossil
#

The player base is so big that it's impossible NOT to have conflicting opinions

tepid fiber
#

There are many reasons I say gamers are the worst thing about gaming

cunning fossil
#

What matters is making the right calls

upper pasture
#

Honestly there is no right call

cunning fossil
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What I mean is

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The call that isn't gonna make BOTH sides lose their shit

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Cuz then you 100% don't win

tepid fiber
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Good luck

glass flicker
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The right call would be breaking every spec so it's overpowered and the balance becomes so absurd that everything becomes balanced.

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I'm kidding.

cunning fossil
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The goal is to have one side be haooy

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While the other side is unhappy but is smaller than the happy

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At least that's how I see it happening

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Cuz God knows you ain't pleasing everyone in the game

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It's be impossible

tepid fiber
#

Yeah but vocal minorities are a thing too

cunning fossil
glass flicker
#

You will never please the herbalists and miners.

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
#

Like, you're always going to see more complaints from the community than you will praise, because nobody has a reason to post about what they like

cunning fossil
#

That is fair to say

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But I would say that you can gauge how something is recieved

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
#

If people go out of their way to compliment it and by those that say "Alright this is cool but"

cunning fossil
glass flicker
#

Well, most just point at something and say "bad" without another argument.

cunning fossil
#

I try to give my reasoning to thinking why something is bad or not

tepid fiber
#

Or they say "this is bad for everyone" when the reality is "I don't personally like it"

cunning fossil
#

It may be flawed

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Or biased

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But at least it's as honest as I can make it

cunning fossil
#

I love em

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A lot of people don't

glass flicker
#

Here's something I can praise WoW for: it's bursting with activities. You don't only have to raid or PvP.

upper pasture
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Honestly I don’t care for it but I’m sure glad they didn’t change the fact you can have a pet following you

glass flicker
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You can do a lot of things and still progress in one way or another.

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Even pet battles.

cunning fossil
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Yeah

glass flicker
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That gives you achievements.

upper pasture
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Even arch too lol

cunning fossil
#

What wow needs is solo queue BGs

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I'm gonna be real with you. I can't get into Arenas

upper pasture
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We’re getting that tho right?

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Solo brawl incoming

cunning fossil
#

Not BGs

upper pasture
#

Or you mean 1v1?

cunning fossil
#

Oh I mean Solo Queue BGs

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Like

glass flicker
#

Bring back Brawler's Guild™

cunning fossil
#

Think Overwatch Match making but in wow and it's 10 people

lapis grotto
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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2613054-10-0-Leak

Posting on a throwaway for obvious reasons.

Here it is, the actual leak. Taken from a private gamedev discord last night.

  • New xpac is straight up called The Dragon Isles.

  • All marketing being put together has the tagline "Azeroth has awoken!".

  • New Zone: The Dragon Isles

  • New Race: Black Dragons

  • New System: World Shaping

cunning fossil
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Per faction*

glass flicker
#

Ugh, try saying that three times, fast.

lapis grotto
glass flicker
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"Bring back Brawler"

lapis grotto
#

looks pretty real to me tbf

cunning fossil
#

It's MMO champion

tepid fiber
lapis grotto
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ik ik hahaha

glass flicker
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Too soon for Azeroth to awaken, imo.

lapis grotto
tepid fiber
#

Okay that's nice but it isn't

glass flicker
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10.0 sounds like it'd be fitting, but I think it's too soon.

upper pasture
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“Champions you’ve awakened me TOO SOON”

lapis grotto
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idk

glass flicker
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Shut up, Ragnarok but not in Norse.

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Uh, anyway...

lapis grotto
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lmao

glass flicker
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No. The Jailer is too boring for Azeroth to awaken due to him.

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She'd just snore in his face.

tepid fiber
#

Anywho, that "leak" has already been torn apart just like all the other "leaks." It's just someone writing their fanfic, don't worry about it @lapis grotto

lapis grotto
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imagine azeroth awakes bcs of a robot lol

lapis grotto
glass flicker
#

I imagine Azeroth would awaken after Elune and An'she show up.

cunning fossil
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Might've been trolling

glass flicker
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The Pantheon of Life.

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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I want no more cosmic stuff ngl

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Too big for me

lapis grotto
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i just want to go to azeroth next expansion and rebuild old zones etc

cunning fossil
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If I wanted to save the galaxy I'd watch star wars don't better kek

glass flicker
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I want to be a humble whatever who is given farm tools to fight huge elementals and dragons.

cunning fossil
#

Dead ass I want my own house

lapis grotto
#

when do they announce it again? in februari right?

cunning fossil
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Might be too early?

glass flicker
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Dunno. BlizzConline was canceled.

upper pasture
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Who knows

cunning fossil
#

Since 9.2 would release right about them

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I'd say March or April we get an announcement IMO

glass flicker
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I expect it somewhere in May or June.

lapis grotto
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my prediction is like 1 week after jailer death

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idk tbh

glass flicker
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Too early.

cunning fossil
#

Yeah

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I'd give it a month or two

glass flicker
#

The raids actually happen pretty early in a patch, believe it or not.

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So one week from Zovaal's tripping down the stairs would be too early.

tepid fiber
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Caaaareful

glass flicker
#

Aight.

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Denathrius: Master! What happened!
Zovaal: I fell down some stairs...
Sylvanas: No you didn't.
Us: No he didn't.

lapis grotto
#

🤓

cunning fossil
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Lmao

subtle oar
#

"Leak"

tepid fiber
#

No that's what I mean

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It's a big hole in the "leak"

lapis grotto
#

would be pretty weird that azeroth is a big dragon tho hahahah

tepid fiber
#

Especially considering we already know she's a Titan, yes, it would be weird

lapis grotto
#

a titan dragon, mother of galakrond

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imagine hahaha

tepid fiber
#

Sure

glass flicker
#

Galakrond honestly has final boss potential.

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The biggest proto drake ever, corrupted by necromancy through cannibalism.

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Such a metal story.

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And he's a bunch of bones in Dragonblight.

lapis grotto
#

would be great yes

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but let him appear at like the half of the expansion, im not a fan of 1 big bad guy per expansion

subtle oar
#

Ew why?

cunning fossil
#

It's understandably boring

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I feel like WoW worked better when there are 2 big people thst need to kick the bucket

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Or the 1 big bad needs a lot of charisma

lapis grotto
#

as you can see now in SL. 1 big bad guy is pretty damn bad
we dont even know the backstory of him, why he wants do remake reality etc etc
legion ws good cs u had so many lore characters as bosses that were interesting, like first gul'dan, then kil'jeaden and eventually going after sargeras

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if that makes sense

strange falcon
#

1 bad guy or multiple isnt an issue,
How they're presented and developed is the issue.

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I'll give an example from shadowlands itself,
Denathrius was liked by the playerbase, because he had 4 times(exaggeration) more screentime than the jailer.
He was charming,we knew what he wanted,why he wanted it,and how he was going about it.
The afterlives cinematic itself,did most of the legwork in setting up his character in 3 minutes,than the jailer in the entire expansion

nocturne totem
#

I think making a brand new character the secret behind the scenes of most of Warcraft was a poor choice too

strange falcon
cunning fossil
upper edge
#

Anyone else think the leaks are true? Lol

subtle oar
subtle oar
upper edge
strange falcon
upper edge
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Yea but part of me is hoping it’s true cause I’d love to make my bloodelf pally a black dragon lol

subtle oar
#

It makes no sense lol

upper edge
#

Ig lol

uncut lintel
#

9.2 wen

upper edge
subtle oar
uncut lintel
#

someone is believing in the leak?

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its OBVIOUS dragon isles is 100% but everything else is a "idk"

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@subtle oar

subtle oar
#

UwU

austere gazelle
urban spire
#

that wouldn't make sense though

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denathrius wouldn't need the jailer in that situation

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like, zovaal only got out of the maw because of denathrius, but denathrius could have just done all the shit zovaal did if he wanted

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but, I think shadowlands would have been a lot better if denathrius was the big bad and the maw didnt exist all together

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like you build up through the story from bastion to revendreth and then it slowly turns out that denathrius is doing bad shit

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honestly the more I think about this, zovaal shouldn't have existed, it should have just been the 4 eternal ones with 1 becoming evil. Like imagine if the story was basically what we are told is zovaals origin story

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how he was searching for forbidden knowledge so he got locked away

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imagine if that was denath and we were helping them discover this origin story

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instead of building up a character we can't really relate too, denathrius is a good character and fits wow'

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s themes more in my head than zovaal does

deep pawn
#

I think world shaping may be true too with living world animations

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And you don't think a glorified allied race with a couple extra customization options doesn't fit blizzard?

urban spire
#

I saw someone comment on asmongolds video about it and I think they could be right.
They said that it's could be an intentional leak by blizzard to kind of direct people towards something to hype about aside from 9.2

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And yeah sure, WoTLK was the last time a leak was true, but when else has blizzard been in such a shitty place? Never. I think it's very possible because they really are on damage control and will be for at least the whole of the next expansion

deep pawn
#

Black Dragons would be almost too easy for them as described. A few customization options on each race, a racial mount transformation that they'd reuse for other drakes, and one other racial ability. The hardest one would be if they are actually druids since that'd require a full slate of animal forms.

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That said, I'd gladly take the opportunity for a Gnome Druid. 😄

dense plover
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idk

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the "can look like any race thing" is iffy - each race having a distinct look is a big deal

tepid fiber
#

Plus, dragons already have this kind of setting relevance that ties them into being better as an npc

deep pawn
#

There was a time we'd sat that of Pandaren and maybe even Worgen

tepid fiber
#

Eh, no

dense plover
#

i think if they CAN look like other races, theyll need to have distinguishing features that mark them as a dragon from afar for gameplay sake

tepid fiber
#

Neither is as significant to Azeroth as dragons

dense plover
#

again, as far as leaks go, its actually pretty good

tepid fiber
#

It's close but it's still obviously fanfic

dense plover
#

its not outlandish, it doesnt have ridiculous long-awaited features ala player housing or something

tepid fiber
#

Lmao fair

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It's reasonable headcanon

dense plover
#

^exactly

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it doesnt contradict anything

tepid fiber
#

Probably wanted to play it safe when they were writing it up

dense plover
#

and doesnt make me go "oh thats bullshit"

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i mean - i could see everything they said happen

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especially zone changing stuff

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theyve been playing around with that tech a LOT

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its something they absolutely want to do on a larger scale

tepid fiber
#

Making playable dragons would be such a spit in the face to the setting tho

dense plover
#

we saw its first real use in 8.3

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and have gotten pieces of it with the covenant assaults and some of the korthia changes and covenant zone upgrades

deep pawn
dense plover
#

i dont think it would be if theyre not true dragons

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IE - half dragons or something

tepid fiber
#

Like, MAYBE drakonids

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But even then

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Eh

deep pawn
#

What better way to make people feel op while simultaneously justifying a million dragon OCs on rp realms. Story or not it'd sell the expansion

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Even if it probably jumps the shark.

tepid fiber
#

Even if, IF, they did make playable dragons or dragon-like humanoids, I'd hope they'd also make them butt fugly to discourage certain types of players

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But that's a personal request lmao

#

Admittedly

deep pawn
#

Drakonids wouldn't let people be Chromie or other dragons though

tepid fiber
#

Well no

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I hope true dragons are right out never an option

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Would forever trivialize them and demean their previous significance, even if they are on the decline and no new dragons are born

deep pawn
#

In the leak these are supposed to be black dragons even younger than Wrathion. How he managed to hatch new eggs is a bit of a gap in the leak but retcons have happened before.

urban spire
#

they said that you would get customization like horns and such

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well I wouldn't even call that a gap tbh, it might just be part of an expansion based on the dragon isle's story

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like that could be something explained in the lead up or the starting zone of the quote on quote black dragons

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Either way, the leak to me sounds good. I think theres a good chance at least some of its true

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Excited to see an announcement of the next expac soon, regardless of if its dragon isles or not

tepid fiber
dense plover
#

^this really

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dragon isles is super likely

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especially with the faerie dragon pet that came out

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and the dragon isle hints we got in BfA

urban spire
#

well and the bundle

dense plover
#

yes

cunning fossil
#

I wanna be a dragon tho

tepid fiber
#

Everyone wants to feel like the most special, yes

cunning fossil
#

(I know the leak is an educated guess at best. I'm poking fun

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I mean, it probably would just be cool.

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Nothing wrong with that. It's the point of the game after all

tepid fiber
#

True, but if EVERYONE can be dragons then they're no longer special or significant when they show up

cunning fossil
#

I think a lesser dragon would make sense of course

tepid fiber
#

"Oh shit it's a dragon" would turn to "oh that's just Carl"

cunning fossil
#

Maybe skew the look a bit so that drakonids and lesser dragons are able to shift like worgen in some ways

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I agree that we probably shouldn't be whole ass Alexstrasza level cool

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I'm happy being something akin to a grunt perhaps

tepid fiber
#

It still creates a lot more problems to implement

cunning fossil
#

Any additions creates problems

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What matters if it is worth or not

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And I, subjectively. Think it could be

tepid fiber
#

And I find playable dragons not worth it

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At all

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In the slightest

cunning fossil
#

Agree to disagree then?

tepid fiber
#

I'll meet you halfway and agree that you disagree that I'm right

cunning fossil
#

I don't think you're completely right, but I'm not gonna kid myself in saying that everyone wants to be a dragon.

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RPers would be happy tho xP

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(NO not in the horny way stop that

tepid fiber
#

All the wrong ones lmao

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Mary Sue, Gary Stu, and your neighborhood pregnant draenei death knight would probably think it's cool

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As well as all of the elf players with draconic suffixes in their names

cunning fossil
#

I think Mary and Gary's are getting rarer

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And tbh, ERPers can do what they want. It's their time and money xP

#

But even now. I don't find Mary Sue's to be so bad any more

tepid fiber
#

Except for when they force everyone else around them to see them -_-

cunning fossil
#

Unless they're shoved in your face constantly

cunning fossil
#

I just think it's not inherently bad :P

tepid fiber
#

I guess don't install TRP then if you wanna keep thinking that khadgarface

cunning fossil
#

I have no add-ons. Got em.

tepid fiber
#

mouses over the wrong profile in Org

cunning fossil
#

It's like any social media

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You scroll, you see, you regret, you forget

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GG EZ xP

tepid fiber
#

Wishing I could forget x_x

cunning fossil
#

Kek

uncut vault
#

making DH-style customization on all races rather than having to make an entirely new skeleton and body textures/armor maps

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and very easy to future-proof for any races that might come after it

subtle oar
cosmic beacon
subtle oar
subtle oar
#

<@&299347348847329281>

#

Thankies 👍

uncut vault
#

But honestly, dragons being a kind of natural titanforged specific to Azeroth makes a degree of sense

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And explains why there are so many various dragon types across Azeroth other than the five dragonflights

#

It also works without really retconning their elemental origins, dragon would just be the “exposed to this world soul” influence upon said elementals, and explain all the elemental dragons we’ve seen

languid yoke
#

I'd like playable drakonids tippiComfy

#

feel like the expansion predictions remain exactly the same as they were at the end of bfa though and look where that got us

nocturne totem
#

At this point I'm invested in playing with friends and the gameplay loop of gearing and doing dungeons/raids. Story has lost me. As long as encounters are decent and the environments interesting I'm in for the next expac.

cunning fossil
subtle oar
#

She's a titan.

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Not a dragon

cunning fossil
#

Dragons are a product of the Titans.

#

Also, i' sure people are thinking more "Celestial/Titanic Dragon" type thing

#

It's not unlikely that whatever embodiment she takes one, would be either a Dragon or a troll.

#

Qe know she's not a dragon, that's obvious. The idea is that she would take on a draconian form

subtle oar
cunning fossil
#

Also, there's no reason for her to not have a humanoid and dragon fork

#

Seriously though it's speculation, but it's not that out there as you think it is

subtle oar
#

That makes no sense to have the rest of the pantheon be Human like and than have Azeroth look like a Troll or Dragon. It literaly makes no sense.

cunning fossil
#

How?
Are you saying they all have to look human? We hqvn't seen or heard of a titan being born since the pantheon.

Times may have changed. Qzeroth could be powerful enough to take on a form unlike her kin.

strange falcon
#

Ah yes,Qzeroth

cunning fossil
#

Precedent does not always indicate the only path. The most interesting stories are those that diverge after all.

#

But really. It's all speculation

#

I don't even know if she WILL wake up

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But if she does wake up and looks hot, I'll be happy

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😩 😩 😋 😋

subtle oar
subtle oar
cunning fossil
#

It's not that serious.

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Personally, would think it'd be boring to have another human like figure with a God complex of course.

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
#

Again we don't even know if it'll even HAPPEN

subtle oar
cunning fossil
#

I thought they were bestowed their power by the titans?

#

Poor wording on my part then.

plain violet
#

They were, yes, the previous version was proto-dragons.

cunning fossil
#

I getcha.

plain violet
#

Proto-dragons are natural, protodrake at the time.

subtle oar
#

The Titankeepers channeled the power of the Titans into select Proto-Drakes

cunning fossil
#

Yeah I gotcha.

strange falcon
tepid fiber
#

They were imbued with power from the Titans that they no longer possess, and it was the Titan Keepers who gave it to em

plain violet
#

But they did receive blessings, thus creating the aspects and how we know the dragons.
We also know dragons can transform into others creatures, like firebird, with enough elemental power.

tepid fiber
#

And that was primarily just the aspects and their associated dragonflight

tepid fiber
plain violet
cunning fossil
#

I see.

Ah well. Still would be cool in my personal opinion.

tepid fiber
#

But they're still not originally Titan creations. They weren't crafted from one of their blueprints like the Earthen

plain violet
#

A aspect is not "natural", it's the result of the modifications and the blessing of the titans (trough titan-keepers) to a protodrake.

cunning fossil
#

Tbh just give me something I can think is pretty believable and cool next expac and £'m good.

plain violet
#

But, with the actual state of the lore, and I think most importantly to the Emerald Dream, I wouldn't be surprised we do have modifications on it.

tepid fiber
#

It's still best to base future speculations off of already established lore and canon. You can't automatically assume a retcon/development just to make a speculation function

plain violet
#

Before we thought the Dream was created/modelled by the titans, with a theory being it was not created by Azeroth's dream itself. Now we know the Emerald Dream could be way bigger and encompass more than just Azeroth, and was just modelled, not created.

tepid fiber
#

And none of that gives any credence to the "theory" that Azeroth would look like a dragon as we know them

cunning fossil
plain violet
#

I do think it's a good thing, and it could explain a bit more why some beings like Anzu (in BC) could be in the Dream for a moment.

cunning fossil
#

I'm kidding of course but sometimes the answer to the question of "Why do you think this?" Is just "Cause it'd be cool"

tepid fiber
#

Fact of the matter is that all encountered Titans are humanoid in appearance, despite all originating from different world souls themselves, so it's safe to assume that Azeroth would appear humanoid as well

cunning fossil
#

I ain't complaining either way. I don't know if they wanna do a whole "Azeroth Awakens" things though

subtle oar
#

Well, the Emerald Dream is not just an Azeroth exclusive thing, its another plain of existence that existed before Freya

cunning fossil
#

Since many sources state that her waking up == planetary destruction??

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
#

Unless I'm wrong on that or something

tepid fiber
#

Because I'm not familiar

subtle oar
#

I was commenting on Neronns comment about Anzu

cunning fossil
# tepid fiber What sources state that

I'm not sure. I just remember lore stating that Titans are birthed within planets, of which they then come out of them later on.

Many people speculate that the planet is destroyed when the titan is birthed.

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From Titans being bigger than planets and all

tepid fiber
# subtle oar Hmm? owo

Oh, just saying that the Emerald Dream already existing and being modified falls in line with other planes being changed by the Titans or other planar entities

plain violet
cunning fossil
#

I'd love to be proven wrong though. Sryly

plain violet
#

But, now that's what interesting, I do like that the game prove this information false little by little.

#

The presence of Anzu during a questline, Ardenweald...

tepid fiber
#

Information can develop over time

plain violet
#

Im not saying the contrary. :)

subtle oar
plain violet
#

As I have said previously, I do like that they expand the Emerald Dream, and not reserve it only to Azeroth like before.

plain violet
subtle oar
subtle oar
plain violet
#

Chronicle state Freya created the Emerald Dream, again, but also state that it's supposed they she could have tapped into a dream existing before.

subtle oar
#

No

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It doesnt

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That was Wrath

plain violet
#

I know what I was reading. é_e

dense plover
#

You’re wrong Neronn

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Chronicles changed it

tepid fiber
#

Don't make me go get my copy out of the closet

dense plover
#

Freya shaped the dream on azeroth

subtle oar
#

^

dense plover
#

But it is a base thing that exists

plain violet
#

Wrath says that but, but as Chronicles said it. They repeat the Freya part, while still precising that some believe it was created from nothing, others believe it was from a place already existing.

dense plover
#

Chronicles said that it already existed

plain violet
#

It say the two. O_o

subtle oar
#

The Dream existed before her. Youre confusing Wrath and Chronicles. Wrath established that Freya created the Dream, but Chronicles changed that to be she shaped what we see of the Dream on Azeroth

dense plover
#

Chronicles retconned the lore

tepid fiber
#

Chronicles established it already existed and that Freya shaped it, my dude

plain violet
#

Im not confusing them, that was what I read, the double information about the Emerald Dream and its possibilities, and what was believed.

#

The information we do have from Ardenweald now is interesting because it enforce the "existed before" part, most importantly with the Shadowlands Grimoire and its critic of the concept of creation in the titans (as they do use the same word for simply modelling)

tepid fiber
#

Azeroth will appear humanoid, dragons are not a creation of the Titans, the Emerald Dream already existed before Freya shaped it around Azeroth, and newer lore takes prevalence over previous lore

plain violet
#

And I do think too the Emerald Dream existed before. I was simply stating Chronicles state the two conflicting beliefs in the Chronicle, the book, said "hey, some people think it didn't existed before, but other think it existed before", and how the most recent information help us to understand the part "some people believe it existed before" is more true.
I don't know if Im clear enough, but I will search my own copy.

cunning fossil
#

Dragon Azeroth cool though.

tepid fiber
#

And?

cunning fossil
#

That's it.

#

I am not gonna argue whether it's likely or not

#

Cuz frankly. I don't think it'll happen either

subtle oar
#

I dont think its cool tho, i think that cheapens Dragons to just be Titan evolved creatures and not just a badass species that came to be on Azeroth.

cunning fossil
#

She's probably gonna look like a big pretty woman. Which is pretty fine

tepid fiber
#

Either way she'll be the daughter Magni wish he had

cunning fossil
#

I don't care that strongly xp.

subtle oar
cunning fossil
#

What do you think is gonna come next expac anyway Gumball?

#

I wanna hear your ideas instead of shooting g others' down

#

(Light hearted half-joking.

plain violet
#

That was simply what I was talking about.

subtle oar
#

Yes, it establishs that she didnt create the Dream because it already existed. Thank you for proving us right.

plain violet
#

Did you read, Wynter?

tepid fiber
subtle oar
plain violet
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"Some believe that Freya wove the Emerald Dream into being from nothing. Others claim that his strange place had always existed in some form"

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It state the two beliefs, in lore, about the Emerald Dream.

subtle oar
plain violet
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And that was what Im talking about. It don't establish "she didn't" nor "she did", it just said what is believed, and what is believed is that two part of people have contradictory belief on what is true.

cunning fossil
subtle oar
plain violet
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And that now, our most recent informations, post Chronicles, tend to prove the "existed before" part, and I do like this.

plain violet
tepid fiber
plain violet
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How "it is said" is a established fact, rather than what people believe and a good example of inlore information (what NPC believe rather than word of god)

plain violet
tepid fiber
plain violet
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For Example, in my own experience, in literature, we would tell "some think X, other would think Y, however the truth is Z"

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"Some think X, other think Y, because Y would explain that. Who know, myself I think Z"

tepid fiber
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Okay. But it's using the English literature device

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Not that one

plain violet
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I must admit also that other English literature device that I did read where not also in "truth of folklore upon each continuation" (and I do have read a lot).

Do you have a reference I could read about it?

tepid fiber
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Man, folk literature is an entire subject I took back in college. You'd be better off finding a textbook. Try Britannica

plain violet
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Britannica could have good information about the devices in folkore?

tepid fiber
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That's why I brought it up?

plain violet
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Great, could it be accessible from a academy website, you think?

tepid fiber
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Britannica is a website

plain violet
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Oh! My bad so, I was thinking more of a compendium book about folkore.

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Thank you.

subtle oar
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Another "leaks"

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2613098-ROTA-10-0-Rise-of-the-Aspects-LEAK

A disgruntled senior level designer at Blizzard who recently resigned, and is in my guild, mentioned this during one of our raid nights last week, to myself and 2 other officers. Their identity is known to us, so we know from their Linkedin that they until recently worked on World of Warcraft.

The expansion will be unveiled in the first half ...

plain violet
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Seem too fake, dwell a bit too much on the currents trendy leaks and those before for the SL ones.

subtle oar
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Both seem fake

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I find this one more reasonable than the last one, but both are clearly fake

plain violet
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Yup, the tinkerer one is too much of a "well you want this"

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It is, the revamp could be credible because we have many unused but updated assets.

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But... well, more often that not, those leaks make me think of medium.

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They just state obvious and desired things, and that's why we buy it.

dense plover
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Honestly I don’t see us getting a new class anytime soon

vestal wing
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They forgot to reveal the linkedin identity that proof the source and tag it as relevant

dense plover
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They already struggle to balance current classes

subtle oar
dense plover
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Races and allied races aren’t problematic to balance like classes are

tepid fiber
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Tbf he says a lot of things

cunning fossil
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I like how we're all just so desperate for qny expac news that some of us are gonna latch on to some of these leaks. And the fact leaks gain such traction in the first place lmao

plain violet
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I don't see a new class too.

dense plover
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Hell, DH still only has 2 specs

subtle oar
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`Expansion name: Rise of the Aspects

New continent: The Dragon Isles

  • 5 zones thematic to the different aspects. Main story in each zone are their return to power.
  • One zone is fully dedicated to end-game content, ala Suramar. This is the zone thematic to the Black Dragonflight. Wrathion is a central character here. This is also the location of Deathwing’s Corruption which the story will dive into. The first raid is located in this zone, a massive Old God Temple, ala Stormsong Valley, but larger. N'Zoth did not die and is in "the background".

New PvE System: Lairs - procedurally generated cavern lairs that will feature a variety of different bosses to fight. There are powers similar to Torghast. It was explained as a “boss-rush mode”. There are very few packs of normal mobs. The core gameplay is heavily focused on boss fights. The system has a Challenge Mode style for cosmetics rewards - think Mage Tower, but several bosses and unique powers.

New Class: Tinkerer, Mail class, 2 specs, Ranged DPS with Turrets and other gimmicks. Mechasuit for Tanking.

Keypoints:
• Level cap increased to 70.
• All Timewalking zones becomes 1-60. Shadowlands is added to Chromie.
• Partial Old-World Revamp. Notable zones that are overhauled include Tanaris and Twillight Highlands. These will have content related to max level and players will visit them briefly during questing. The Infinite Dragonflight has a major presence in Tanaris. Gadgetzan is updated, it is larger quest hub, but not as portrayed in Hearthstone. The Cultists are once again a major player in Twillight Highlands.
• Other zones such as Elwynn Forest, Durotar, Westfall, Duskwood remains the same but with improved graphics. Many of the old buildings have been updated to modern graphics. This includes Stormwind and Orgrimmar.
• Cross-faction end-game gameplay. Raiding, Dungeons, PvP, and other end-game content can be done in groups of both factions. Cannot be cross-faction grouped in Warmode. Opposing faction cities are still hostile.
• Major professions overhaul - large focus, multiple new developers recruited specifically for this.

Conclusion of Shadowlands (9.2.5 and Pre-Patch):

  • Using the Forge of the First Ones, the Jailer successfully drains Azeroth, severely injuring the planet. The wounds that were sealed have reemerged and Azeroth is on the brink of dying - again.
  • After Zovaal the Jailer has been defeated, The First Ones (3) appear in the cinematic, resetting Zovaal to his original, deactivated form. He is not dead, and will return in the future.
  • There will be an epilogue in the form of 9.2.5 featuring a short questline centered around Tyrande “forgiving” Sylvanas, and Sylvanas looking for Nathanos. The patch will also include minor quality of life additions and Timewalking for BFA dungeons (incl. M+), and the Battle for D’azalor raid.
  • Anduin is “saved”, but will not be himself. As the heroes of Azeroth return, the Stormwind Nobles are skeptical of their King, instead giving their loyalty to Turalyon. Anduin will feel defeated and depressed about everything he did during his domination and will not fight it. Genn Greymane and Matthias Shaw is acting on Anduin’s behalf to restore him to the throne. Tension in the Alliance is growing.
  • The Scarlet Crusade is significantly growing in power in the background, Turalyon plays a big part in this.`

Post for the too lazy to click links

cunning fossil
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Yeah no class for a whike

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Maybe a new race

subtle oar
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Nah, no new race

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We got 10 in BfA

cunning fossil
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Well they need SOMETHING Skye

subtle oar
cunning fossil
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You think the player base is gonna settle for less?

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Oh OK that's good

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More customizations are nice

glass flicker
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Wynter, you scared the shit out of my mouth with that wall of text.

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Pls.

subtle oar
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Id rather MORE customizations than another new race

cunning fossil
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I would say we still need a few more Major things we need

subtle oar
cunning fossil
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For an expac launch

tepid fiber
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Hopefully bringing stuff in line so it's equal number of options for each race

languid yoke
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give all races that don't have 2/3 pages of varied customization options... well, more

cunning fossil
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Because no new class for what is 6 years now is gonna tilt peoole

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Not me of course :P

dense plover
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Also no way we go back to Azeroth almost dying again

subtle oar
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Gib Pandas more rooMadSlam

glass flicker
languid yoke
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^ya

dense plover
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If anything it would be about repairing the messes from all of the recent expacs

subtle oar
cunning fossil
tepid fiber
languid yoke
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but also I still want a scaled race and... drakonids

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just hoping 9.2 is ready enough for release soon so we can finally get an expansion reveal proper

cunning fossil
dense plover
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But honestly if 10.0 isn’t dragon isles it’s gonna be risky af since nothing else has us going back to Azeroth

subtle oar
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They have no use for petty mortal conflicts

cunning fossil
dense plover
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Again, even now, I’m still surprised 9.0 wasn’t dragon isles

cunning fossil
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IMO that'd be a great expack premise

tepid fiber
plain violet
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I would like repairing finally what we left, but well...

plain violet
glass flicker
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A good way to introduce a dragon race is blue dragons. Malygos turned some mages who would pledge their allegiance to him into drakonoids, and they could join us under Kalecgos.

dense plover
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There were so many hints and they gave Wrathion a new model and discussed how he was looking for or found the isles

glass flicker
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Anyway, that's too much to think of.

plain violet
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But because I know the Blizzard-end feeling.

cunning fossil
plain violet
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(Getting angry mobs over something we didn't even promised or talked)

tepid fiber
plain violet
subtle oar
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The Dragon Isles should be on the back of Azeroth and be a new chapter of WoW, establish that there is an entire backside of Azeroth that has not been catalogued fully and existed before the Sundering. An injection of new, fresh lore like MoP was

glass flicker
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Or even Ebonhorn.

cunning fossil
glass flicker
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Y'know, Ebyssian.

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Highmountain boi.

cunning fossil
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Bring the boy back

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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I liked him a lot tbh. It'll be cool to see the brother dynamic

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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Christ have mercy Gum let's just move on. I get it. You're very facts and logic and I'm a bit more on the emotional side. We're not gonna see things eye to eye that often.

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I wanna leave it alone for now

tepid fiber
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Oh... kay?

cunning fossil
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Cuz I'm not a walking encyclopedia or very articulated.

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I'm not even trying to be rude man. I'm just saying what I think. You are clearly very logical and like lots of evidence to back claims and that's good.

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I personally like to be more free-form with my thinking and alow some stretching and shifting to happen.

tepid fiber
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Alright, and I'm just explaining that I'm not trying to be condescending and it's just another case of you projecting a tone onto what I'm typing

cunning fossil
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I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying we're different.

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My bad then. It just reads as condescending at times.

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It's hard to pick up any other tone personally

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(I'm socially inept. Go figure

tepid fiber
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Because you're projecting a condescending tone, and I'm clarifying for you that that's not what it is

cunning fossil
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And I accept the clarification.

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I've always been bad at telling tone anyways

tepid fiber
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It might be better off to not assume one if that's the issue

cunning fossil
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Especially through text.
Even IRL

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Well I mean. I kinda need to think about how you're saying it though.

tepid fiber
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Then ask

cunning fossil
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Tone does matter for interpretation.

plain violet
tepid fiber
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Then ask

cunning fossil
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Ok sorry. What was the tone you were using.

tepid fiber
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Explanatory

cunning fossil
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So like a teacher?

tepid fiber
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Whatever boats your float my dude

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Close enough

cunning fossil
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Alright ok. I'll try to keep that in mind when speaking with you

tepid fiber
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Or speaking with people in general, honestly. A simple "what do you mean by that?" can make all the difference

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There's a reason people say "when you assume you make an ass out of u and me"

cunning fossil
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I getcha.

tepid fiber
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Can save a lot of time focusing on the actual subject at hand instead of going off on a tangent about tone clarification

cunning fossil
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I can see that

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Anyways, Does no new class mean we get more actual class development?

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Cuz that's what we said in SL.
And other than Shadow Priest, everything else was so so

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They couldn't even be bothered to touch Survival :(

tepid fiber
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That's going to have to be another "wait and see" honestly

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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But I think it does need something.

I think it's an issue when talents are always set in stone other than very very specific number crutch times that require near expert timing like the Nesingwary Appartus Lego.

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I personally thing that Wildfire infusions should be made baseline

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Or mongoose bite. That could work too. (Less preferable personally but not hodrible)

tepid fiber
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But basically it's too early to legitimately speculate on future expansion content insofar as mechanics and systems are concerned. Plenty of educated guesses can be made on the plot and certain core features like races and classes, but beyond that any unwarranted speculation would just lead to invalid disappointment

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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Idk about invalid disappointment but I can agree with the rest.

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Can't over hype a fake idea after all :₩

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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But also the thing is that those builds are only viable because of a legendary, thT instantly go away next year (probably)

I believe this is the first time that Infusions wasn't the only way to play SV? I don't remember anything else being viable in BFA

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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Not arguing about the now but I mean the long term.

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Chakrams had a build?

tepid fiber
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It did

cunning fossil
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I legitimately don't remember any site saying so

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Icy Veins basically said the other two were hot garbage

tepid fiber
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It floated around on TSL for a while

cunning fossil
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Oh I'm not in there anymore oof. Was not aware

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Is there a chakram build now?

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I actually like Chakrams the best

tepid fiber
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Idk atm

cunning fossil
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Damn

plain violet
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For now don't know about it on TSL.

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But yeah chakrams is a cool skill.

urban spire
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looks like these could be things tied to an expansion deluxe edition

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maybe an expansion reveal sooner than later?

upper pasture
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I’m guessing after February like a March announcement

urban spire
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yeah that's what I'm thinking too

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I still think 9.2 will be like feb 12-20th for drop

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more specifically, the 15th or the 22nd

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and then maybe march announcment in the second week for expac

deep pawn
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Yeah, last week of Feb for 9.2 is my guess

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gives just enough time to burn out before 6.1 in 14

dense plover
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^

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we will likely get an expac announcement shortly after the final raid cutscene is seen OR after the final LFR wing is out

deep pawn
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I'd love if WoW decided to try and grab the lulls between 14 content rather than make people choose

uncut vault
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Well at this point, they probably will need to, because they're not the dominant game that can draw folks away as easily anymore

strange falcon
plain violet
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This mmo champion link was interesting.

signal bone
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I just want a new class

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And housing

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I’ll settle for one, but prefer both

upper pasture
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Idk like both but I really would like player housing but I fear that we will be running old dungeons for plans for said player housing items lol 😂

dense plover
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with the mount potentially being green dragon related

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what are the chances next expac isnt dragon isles but is actually emerald dream or realm of life or something to do with elune?

proven escarp
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With this recent find, it’s getting more likely the dragon isles is actually real.

upper pasture
uncut lintel
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I AM HYPED FOR DARGON

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DRAGON DRAGO NDRAGON DRAGON

cunning fossil
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Me need housing

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(There is no need to uhm actually me. I know the odds)

uncut lintel
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@cunning fossil WELL, TSK, UHM ACTUALLY, TSK--

cunning fossil
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Lmao

urban spire
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https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-encrypted-mount-pet-items-possible-10-0-expansion-deluxe-edition-325627

Wowhead
Datamined Encrypted Mount, Pet, Items - Possible 10.0 Expansion Del...

We have found new encrypted content to live servers which includes a mount, a pet, and some additional items. This package is similar to the Deluxe Edition rewards of previous expansions, so could this be a hint that an announcement is coming soon for the next expansion following Shadowlands? Spoilers inside.

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same thing I posted yesterday, but wowhead has more of the stuff easily seeable

dense plover
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well they also have the particle effects mmo-champ didnt

calm holly
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When will we be able to see the tier sets in the dressing room🥺

plain violet
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The Emerald Dream, or the realms of life, have layers to be discovered.

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But I think we would know more when we will have the end of the raid, the consequences of the Jailer.

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There would be a bit of a difficulty also if players can access the Dream, but still having the "druid" perk. Unless that's the realms of life, in some sort of accessing different zones.

subtle oar
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Lol, go from cosmic to more cosmic. That'd be a great way to be even more tone deaf, Blizz

uncut vault
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Sprite darter pet and transmog, the cat and Phoenix mounts, etc.

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That said it would be an atrocious choice and push a lot of people away from the story permanently lol

strange falcon
uncut lintel
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dragon dragon dragon

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pog dragon

cunning fossil
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Life lands

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Where they like

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Help babies get born or something?

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I legitimately don't know how that would be interesting.

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It would be hard to make q zone that's distinct to something like Ardenweald since they have the same premise.

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And how many variations of "starting a new life" even are there? There are plenty of different ways to make Death realms based on past actions since Death comes after everything else.

pulsar minnow
subtle oar
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Yup

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Cosmology should only play out in the background

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We should only ever get small glimpses that peak our interest but never act reveals everything

urban spire
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They literally said the next expansion is taking place on Azeroth, I don’t think they’re doing anything like the lifelands

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If they do emerald dream it will be a content patch like Argus, not the whole expansion

pulsar minnow
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Watch them just say it's on Azeroth because the Emerald Dream is the perfect untouched reflection of Azeroth or whatever. If that happens i'm just not going to bother with the expansion.

cunning fossil
plain violet
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Or maybe the Dream would just be a zone in it, not directly Argus-like, maybe if we can join different dragonflights, or something like that.
Or maybe something for a class-flavor.
But I agree the cat was strange.
Or maybe it's tied to a revamp of the zone, and as such, for Moonglade.

signal bone
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I don't think they said the next expac is on azeroth

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they said they knoew people want to go back

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I'd be surprised if it wasn't, but it's not confirmed

subtle oar
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I have no doubt that Mr Denuser wants to keep going deep dick into Cosmic shit, destroying the lore with his GoT S8 Galaxy brain story

urban spire
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um no they literally said it was in azeroth next expac

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I literally already linked and quoted the thing once before, you can go searching if you care enough

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it was in an interview with danuser

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"

“Don’t assume it’s just going to be one thing. There’s storylines building up for the next great book in the Warcraft saga. Some of that groundwork is laid here, but there’s a lot more back on Azeroth we need to get back to, and delve into some storylines and characters there.”

"