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#beta-ptr-spoilers
cunning fossil
strange falcon
đ
subtle oar
Neat, but copiun
deep pawn
Fate of Eternity would be a neat patch name
I think Taliesin is right about "Reality's End" though
upper pasture
Gotta agree realityâs end sounds pretty dope and if the jailer wins we can get a overworld revamp of Azeroth
rose rain
PTR will go down any moment now guys for sure
subtle oar
Pffft
dense plover
If ptr is coming before thanksgiving, itâs this week so they can have time to fix any critical issues over the next week before thanksgiving
If it doesnât come this week, a playable build likely wonât drop before thanksgiving
They might drop a datamine build in that case
Ideally, they want to dominate the news cycle between now and endwalker
And ptr is their best option
rose rain
I really dont want to get my hopes up for this week haha
dense plover
Then they can go quiet and launch 9.2 during the lull between endwalker 6.05 and 6.1
strange falcon
Then they can go quiet and launch 9.2 during the lull between endwalker 6.05 and...
Blizzard metagaming hard
rose rain
sullen dawn
Arthas > Turkey
bleak coral
Will this be the day....
sullen dawn
Si
subtle oar
Nope
upper pasture
Tomorrow 10am pst
bleak coral
YAY
cunning fossil
Yo what the fuck
upper pasture
Those runes look nice
cunning fossil
Art team Killing it as usual
deep pawn
is the teaser a cipher?
obtuse vine
9.2 will be announced tomorrow
deep pawn
And you know what? ELEVATOR BOSS
cunning fossil
is the teaser a cipher?
So you speak First One?
silent urchin
I presume that if you "translate" the broker language that's the name of the patch
obtuse vine
deep pawn
No letters duplicate which makes it spicy
cunning fossil
The Symbols. What do they mean?
subtle oar
Look qho's wrong
That's a lil petty coming from you, Wai :(
cunning fossil
That's a lil petty coming from you, Wai :(
I put /lh at the end
subtle oar
Idk wat that means
dense plover
So build either Friday or next week
deep pawn
They have to know telling us not to puzzle over it will make us do more
dense plover
Either way it means all hands on deck to fix stuff to prevent any negative PR between now and December 3rd
cunning fossil
Of course
cunning fossil
Either way it means all hands on deck to fix stuff to prevent any negative PR be...
Ngl that's gonna be hard.
Both in game.and company wise
I don't even knownif it's possible
dense plover
They have a period of a few weeks to totally dominate the news cycle and appease the players who left for FFXIV and when those players get bored a month or so after endwalker raids, thatâs when theyâll drop 9.2
cunning fossil
They're already in deep deep shit with both society as a whole, the player base, and even their shareholders
dense plover
So expect 9.2 early to mid February
deep pawn
Zereth Mortis would have worked if not for 2 Es, but that would not be a patch name haha
obtuse vine
Could also call it something like 'reality's end' or something like that
but honestly Zereth Mortis in the title would be nice
deep pawn
Bold call thinking it isn't last.
dense plover
Ion essentially said as much
Itâs clear now that they delayed 9.1.5 to work on 9.2
deep pawn
He can't tell us what's after 9.2 cause that'd spoil things.
dense plover
I mean - can you imagine if they said what 8.3 was before 8.2?
It wouldnât have made any sense
Not that 8.3 did nzoth justice
deep pawn
Only reason telling us what is after 9.2 is spoilerish is cause Zovaal dies in 9.2 and expansion over and we prep for 10.0
dense plover
Yeah because rushing an expac has worked so well in the past looks at 8.3
looks at 6.2
Bailing doesnât work
bleak coral
Puzzle? YoggSaron? New Puzzlebox? đŹ
dense plover
It just leads to the next expac having a great first patch and then failing after because they didnât have the resources to work on the follow up content because they were forcing the next expac
Bailing on 8.3 and BfA is one of the reasons that Shadowlands 9.1 sucks
9.1 shouldâve been in production following the release of 8.3 but it clearly wasnât until they were working heavily on shadowlands
If they rush content, they fall behind in future production which just makes the problem worse
deep pawn
There's literally not enough time for a 9.3 and a 10.0 next year and the global economy would have to collapse before there's no expansion q4 next year.
dense plover
I think pushing for 10.0 next year isnât gonna happen
They cancelled next years blizzcon
If they had something to announce, they wouldnât have done that
crimson jasper
they already delayed overwatch and diablo, I can see them delaying 10.0
dense plover
They can take a bad year and then come out swinging in 2023, especially with how packed next year is in terms of game releases due to COVID delays
Next year is going to have too much competition
deep pawn
I still stand there's not enough threats left for two patches as well. They skipped the side raid and pushed up Sanctum which is a more typical x.2 raid.
strange falcon
/lighthearted
didnt know we were making up dialogue commands
dense plover
I still stand there's not enough threats left for two patches as well. They skip...
We still donât have the drust stuff
Thatâs easily patch worthy
Hell, that might be 9.2
tepid fiber
đż
strange falcon
They have to know telling us not to puzzle over it will make us do more
they need to gather whatever attention they can get,so it is intentional
bleak coral
Please no drust..
deep pawn
Except the obvious ancient style teaser
dense plover
You mean the portal?
deep pawn
No, drust got dropped just like Helya plot thread.
dense plover
I donât think itâs dropped. The helya stuff was never meant to be in 9.1
strange falcon
They have a period of a few weeks to totally dominate the news cycle and appease...
given what most players and content creators i've seen,they'd be back at 10.0 if it's good,and look at 9.2 from far away
dense plover
Itâs lead up for later
deep pawn
It's full speed to the end of the expansion, do not pass go, do not collect a 4th tier.
dense plover
given what most players and content creators i've seen,they'd be back at 10.0 if...
Except that if they canât keep the players after 10.0, they risk them never coming back
People only quit so many times before they stop coming back
Remember that the return rate on MoP following Cata for total players was far less than Cata up until Legion
10.0 could certainly be a MoP but it wonât be a legion due to 2 expacs in a row being bad, unless they can redeem shadowlands and one content patch isnât enough to do that
strange falcon
Next year is going to have too much competition
i mean,the problem there would be that the few stragglers still playing wow would stop playing after more than a year of 9.2 drought,and after they've broken the addiction,who knows if they'll be back
deep pawn
That was spamming? đ
dense plover
i mean,the problem there would be that the few stragglers still playing wow woul...
Thatâs why Iâm saying 9.3 makes sense
Work on 10.0 can start now and the other team can work on 9.2 and 9.3
Providing time to truly make an impressive 10.0
bleak coral
I really think 1 more patch after 9.2 will have even more people quit the game. Shadowlands as an expansion gives a sour taste to a lot of people.
dense plover
I really think 1 more patch after 9.2 will have even more people quit the game. ...
Not if they fix the problems
It definitely isnât too late
deep pawn
The brand of Shadowlands is kind of a rotting corpse right now
dense plover
Donât have new currencies donât have everything be a grind
deep pawn
People have checked out of the story.
dense plover
And 10.0 can fix that more than 9.2/9.3?
In what world does more story fix the problem via a new expac vs a new patch
crimson jasper
well they can pull a reset with 10.0
cunning fossil
To be fair Peach, Kyle has a point. Not saying he's totally right.
It just hasn't to be an EXTRELY GOOD. nearly flawless patch
deep pawn
yes, gets people away from a world that feels extremely disconnected and in Oribos, sterile and bland.
dense plover
They arenât going to reset anything tho
If we go back to Azeroth itâs still going to tie back to shadowlands
bleak coral
Yes. Because it's not Shadowlands. At a certain point you throw that plate away with so many cracks in it. And you just buy a new one.
dense plover
Please - lay out a story that is actually possible that allows for us to move on from shadowlands and makes sense where we are right now
deep pawn
We kill Zovaal in 9.2, we fix the machinery of death
dense plover
Because I canât think of anything that doesnât involve nonsense
deep pawn
What else is there?
dense plover
But how does that lead in to 10.0?
How do we fix Anduin?
We kill zovaal and fix the arbiter isnt a story itâs the endgame of the story
deep pawn
Where was killing N'zoth at all relevant to 9.0?
dense plover
I still have a small piece of hope that Nzoth isnât dead
Honestly thatâs the only thing I can think of
Is we return to Azeroth, nzoth didnât actually die and we get the old god expac we deserve
deep pawn
If 9.2 had come out this month instead of next year, I'd buy a 9.3 happening
but I think they cut their original 9.1 early on
dense plover
That is impossible
They build 9.1 before 9.0 even releases
That would mean they knew shadowlands would bomb before it released
thatâs literally nonsense
dense plover
Iâm not signing on to them abandoning the expac before it launched
That would mean they lied on their investor report
Thatâs extremely illegal
deep pawn
they clearly had no issue the first time.
dense plover
Two different sets of lies
The lies that weâre told to the board was by Kotick about the legal investigation
Thatâs very different
deep pawn
And what would make more sense, they keep to their 2 year expansion cadence or try to shoehorn a 3rd patch.
dense plover
Itâs not a direct financial lie
2 year cadence hasnât worked has it?
BfA tried to rush another expac and we didnât even make it to 9.2 before people bailed
If they keep pushing forward with this shit, theyâre not going to be able to put out ANY content patches
deep pawn
So we've gone from them wanting yearly expansions, then settling for 2 year expansions, now you think they're going to go for even slower content?
upper pasture
This are the symbols left after taking them out of the circle on the button left
Could be nothing could be something who knows
dense plover
So we've gone from them wanting yearly expansions, then settling for 2 year expa...
I think that if they abandon this expac, they risk losing people permanently and getting people reinvested in the story is key to getting people to come back in 10.0
If they abandon shadowlands people will feel betrayed about having to pay for another expac only to have it not have enough testing or feedback iteration to the point that we end up here again but with even fewer people
deep pawn
I think they won't get people reinvested with Zovaal and Sylvanas. So dragging that story out when compared to what their competition is about to do isn't a winning strat.
dense plover
If they try to push for 10.0 next year, where is the testing time to get feedback and legitimately iterate on it?
deep pawn
Like Zovaal is such a dud of a villain he's a community wide joke
"Great Value Thanos"
dense plover
Oh yeah because Arthas was scary before the wrath gate
bleak coral
But Zovaal got the nipple tho
dense plover
đ
deep pawn
Arthas had an entire RTS worth of backstory
cunning fossil
Is the question
deep pawn
Zovaal ain't got crap
dense plover
But arthas wasnât scary
Not until later
He just showed up, laughed at you and threw a minion at you in various content
deep pawn
And people hated that portrayal of him too at the time
deep pawn
After 9.2 launches
dense plover
How do they avoid the same problem as shadowlands where they donât have time to actually make changes
I honestly think they need 10-12 months to do that
deep pawn
no beta has ever been that long, and if they needed one that long that makes 9.3 even more impossible
deep pawn
No alpha/beta has ever been that long
deep pawn
And financially crawling even slower won't either
dense plover
If they donât get subscribers back, launching a new expac doesnât matter
Iâm not going to just buy a new expac blindly
strange falcon
To be fair Peach, Kyle has a point. Not saying he's totally right.
It just has...
i fully 100% believe that if 10.0 is nothing short of "omg so fckn incredible game of the year" level, the game will suffer greatly,and if it's another wod/bfa/sl, the game is getting put into maintenance mode
dense plover
i fully 100% believe that if 10.0 is nothing short of "omg so fckn incredible ga...
This is exactly my point
If they donât give the expac the time it needs to get to that point, we end up right back here
deep pawn
So you'd rather have a 9.3 that's basically a single room cause they won't be able to develop a full content patch alongside an expansion?
strange falcon
Thatâs extremely illegal
not the first time any companys done that
deep pawn
Blizzard has never shown themselves of capable of developing a full patch and an expansion at the same time
dense plover
Blizzard has never shown themselves of capable of developing a full patch and an...
So instead they should just keep doing what theyâve been doing?
That hasnât been working
They have to change SOMETHING
fixing the story doesnât fix the gameplay being shit
deep pawn
I'm saying they will cut a 9.3 to focus on 10.0 rather than take another 6 months on a 9.3 that has no clear story path to happen and then another 6-10 months on a 10.0
dense plover
And then what?
Thatâs just the same situation as in BfA
And we ended up here
They need to find and iterate on better gameplay
They need time to find that
deep pawn
Shadowlands is more of a WoD at this point.
dense plover
Because right now they have nothing
deep pawn
Where people really do not care anymore
dense plover
Warlords had 1 content patch
6.2
6.1 didnât add anything
Outside of the mess that was 8.3, this is more like BfA
deep pawn
WoD had 3 raids, SL may well only have 3 raids.
dense plover
Bad first patch, potentially great next patch, bad 3rd patch if there is one
But it doesnât provide enough time to work on 10.0 and make it any good
If they ditch shadowlands after 9.2 I have no faith in 10.0
Because it means we will have the same problems
It took 2 years after warlords 6.2 for them to make legion
So either we have a massive drought or barely decent content to get something that good
deep pawn
We're already in a drought
dense plover
Or we get something thatâs decent on launch and falls apart by or after 10.1
deep pawn
why drag things out more
dense plover
Because rushing things will create more problems
You are ignoring the reason we are in a drought
bleak coral
We're already in a drought
đ¤
dense plover
They tried to bail on 8.3
deep pawn
For example, at this point in MoP we've already started Siege and they were prepping for WoD haha
and that was when they wanted yearly expansions
deep pawn
đ¤
This is the first time in WoW's history we've had a single content patch for an entre calendar year I believe.
outside of pre-exapnsion prep with like end of MoP
bleak coral
This is the first time in WoW's history we've had a single content patch for an ...
i was quoting you to show mrpeach you weren't ignoring the drought, you were acknowledging it
deep pawn
They've dragged their feet so long already that dragging things out further when public perception has already soured on the ENTIRE premise of the expansion just isn't a good idea.
subtle oar
The bean counters hold all the power
deep pawn
I've been saying the world will end before there's no expansion next year.
bleak coral
But, we all know Wow has a problem in it's current state. We can drag this problem for another patch called 9.3, but i think it'd be a better idea to jump ship and get a new boat with ofcourse, potential problems as well, but mostly refreshing (not so borrowed) systems.
tulip sun
its not their fault stuff got so behind
As long as they can do the story is a satisfactory way I am not concerned about it. 9.3, 10.0. We get content either way
deep pawn
When looking at their competitors at this point, yeah, it's Blizzard's fault. Either it's the bad work culture or just management in general, it's something wrong at Blizzard itself.
strange falcon
i mean,it is true, a decade of "will this be the wow killer",and all long wow,was the wow killer
i would like to point to what happened to ultima online,same situation,devs ignored the players,players eventually left
deep pawn
Even EQ has kept up it's yearly expansion pace through covid. đ
tulip sun
Just because one game can do it doesn't mean others can. Every game has a different cycle and content out into a patch.
In giving them some slack. That combined with the recent lawsuit, and well- there are reasons stuff was delayed
They're not just sitting there thinking "How long should I make them wait?"
strange falcon
EQ is not wow, different devs,different studio size,different tools.
i do believe the wow devs are sabotaged by their own map editor/engine
it's a modified warcraft 3 one ffs
strange falcon
They're not just sitting there thinking "How long should I make them wait?"
puts on tinfoil hat but what if they are,and this is just them testing the community to see how long their loyalty to the game lasts with no content
đ
deep pawn
I just think they have had a breakdown of management somewhere and hopefully the cleaning house works.
deep pawn
We'll know for sure tomorrow, but between ion saying what come after 9.2 works best once we know the context of 9.2, I think we kill Zovaal and move on.
strange falcon
i think they shouldnt have ion make the announcement,get someone else
theres already way too much focused ire against him,and plus all the memes comparing him to other game directors work very well
cunning fossil
Nani what other memes?
strange falcon
if you dont know about them,then they dont concern you, but really im just lazy to dig them up
glass flicker
glass flicker
Yw, I stole it too.
cunning fossil
Ngl I hope Anduin comes out of this with something but like
Hopefully it doesn't turn him into an edge lord
glass flicker
Lingering PTSD.
cunning fossil
Cu that's the last thing we need
The whole charm with him is that he is optimistic
If he's not, who am I gonna look up to in terms of finding a bit of light in the darkness?
(Story wise I mean)
glass flicker
Illidan.
Or better yet, Arator.
Y'know, son of a paladin and a high elf who became a void elf.
cunning fossil
Illidan.
He's literally an edge lord in carnate
No thanks
And if Arator makes himself more known and shows more character than being a lone child of 2 legendary heroes that'd be awesome.
But like seriously, enough of the brooding shit.
glass flicker
Arator should be important.
Especially in the latest expansions.
Vereesa should be important. Her sister literally caused two expansions.
Also, new Vereesa model, when?
And why doesn't she use a Walmart Thas'Dorah like Alleria?
Oh, here's a kicker. Why don't Vereesa's sons make an appearance in WoW, but do in the comics?
Or books. Whatever.
strange falcon
found two more
https://i.imgur.com/dVNIyxU.png https://i.imgur.com/k4ICKF5.png
glass flicker
There's no surprise the playerbase says Vereesa is boring. Blizzard thinks so, too!
cunning fossil
Or books. Whatever.
I have 0 idea how the OG topic strayed into this but they are probably valid arguments lol
glass flicker
They could be doing more with the Windrunner family, rather than focus on Sylvanas and Sylvanas, with Sylvanas spread across.
"C-Cannot... Let him reach... The... Sunwell!" - Sylvanas at the end of SoD, probably.
"Would you like to see Sylvanas' sister, Sylvanas? She is just as evil!"
subtle oar
Dunno why people still think we don't know what broke the arbitor
tepid fiber
Dunno why people still think we don't know what broke the arbitor
Because they don't pay attention/skip story content
subtle oar
True
deep pawn
It hasn't been explicitly said.
subtle oar
It hasn't been explicitly said.
Yes it has
deep pawn
I'll admit, maybe the cutscene bugged on me, but did Mal'ganis specifically say that it was Argus's death?
subtle oar
It was said before 9.1
tepid fiber
No???
subtle oar
Denathrius caused it
tepid fiber
It was Sire Denathrius. He did it. He did it under the direction of the Jailer. He amassed a bunch of anima and tailored it to disable the Arbiter
deep pawn
They must have really hidden that text cause I don't remember that at all haha
tepid fiber
It was the climax to the leveling campaign at the end of Revendreth
subtle oar
It was part of the Revendreth lvling campaign
deep pawn
That is not what I took from that scene at all.
subtle oar
Then that's on you
Denathrius admitted it was him
He caused it
I guess no one wants to acknowledge that fact because they just assumed it was something that happened in legion. Meanwhile, blizzard never said that it was something that happened in Legion, but that the machinery of Death broke during Legion
tepid fiber
If it was easily missed it wouldn't be widely known...
deep pawn
You guys just said that many people act like they don't know
tepid fiber
It's surprising that they act like they don't know because, like, it's RIGHT THERE
deep pawn
Again, it wasn't a cinematic that said it. If it was quest dialog at the end of Revendreth clearly it's something that could be overlooked.
which quest was it
subtle oar
Too many people took hits from Pyros bong and thought that there was se super 10000iq thing happening
deep pawn
My take from Revendreth was that he took advantage of the drought and hoarded as much anima as he could.
Heck, I do my best to read every quest and even I missed that
And if I did miss it is cause I hit 90 early in Revendreth and was getting bored.
tepid fiber
which quest was it
Dude, it was the last bit of the Revendreth questing. There's a whole exchange between Denathrius and Renethal and your character, exposition, threatening, a climactic exchange, and his villainous admission to disabling the Arbiter while we see a cutscene of him describing it and we witness him disabling the Arbiter
deep pawn
Only cutscene I remember is him choking out Renethal and sending anima to the maw, not claiming responsibility for anything
tepid fiber
It was the climax of the leveling campaign, with everything we'd seen since arriving in the Shadowlands leading up to that reveal
subtle oar
The first cinematic we get in oribos was seeing the moment the arbitor went down. It was massive Anima spell the exactly same as Denathrius'. Then, halfway through Revendreth, we learn it was Daddy D who did it and then Daddy D admits it was him in the climax
tepid fiber
Only cutscene I remember is him choking out Renethal and sending anima to the ma...
I'm pretty sure I told you this before, but go do the content again if you're not willing to even read a wowpedia page
deep pawn
it wasn't in the climatic cinematic that most people will remember then
subtle oar
No, it was
tepid fiber
It was đ¤Ś
tepid fiber
I'd say it's either people not paying attention, or people not willing to admit their assumptions or headcanon was wrong
subtle oar
^
subtle oar
I'd say it's either people not paying attention, or people not willing to admit ...
Remember Pyro losing his mind on Twitter after it was confirmed Elune is the WQs sister, not Elune?
tepid fiber
Remember Pyro losing his mind on Twitter after it was confirmed Elune is the WQs...
No because I don't watch streamers
deep pawn
I'm just asking which quest so I can read the wowhead comments since they usually post quest dialog
subtle oar
He wasn't a streamer
tepid fiber
Idk who he is nor do I care
tepid fiber
I wouldn't know who Asmongold was if people didn't shut up about him
subtle oar
Oof.
deep pawn
I wasn't aware of Pyro until he quit.
subtle oar
Rip
deep pawn
Yeah, definitely wasn't the last Revendreth cinematic when he sends the anima to the maw, watched it again, so had to be before that.
subtle oar
That's on you, Kyle
warm shore
I'm rewatching the ending cinematic of the Revendreth leveling questline and parts of the questline where he talks. He never explicity said he caused the arbiter to shut down or even hinted it.
he said he'd be elevated for helping by giving anima to Zovaal.
was what i got
subtle oar
Doesn't matter. Fact is, Denathrius broke the Arbitor.
tepid fiber
The story isn't even network TV complicated--idk how y'all miss Denathrius doing it
warm shore
Granted what hit the aribter was red colored energy sphere thing
subtle oar
It was a Venthyr Anima spell
tepid fiber
There are also clues all throughout the campaign
warm shore
I mean, I guess we should just take it at face value that it was probably denathrius through the color of the sphere itself
deep pawn
I'm searching for where he says he did it. I am willing to agree he did it through using the dreadlords to manipulate things, but I do not see anything that indicates the initial breaking was Denathrius himself.
warm shore
Giant red orb blasting the arbiter isnt really something dreadlords would do i dont think
deep pawn
The most common assumption I have heard was it was Argus's death and in 9.1 we learn that the Dreadlords basically manipulated the entire Burning Crusade.
pulsar minnow
I'm searching for where he says he did it. I am willing to agree he did it throu...
There is a cutscene in Revendreth where the accuser goes "Bro you are the one responsible for the anima drought" (not verbatim)
warm shore
Dreadlords didnt go back to shadowlands until after 9.0 anyways
tepid fiber
Giant red orb coming from Revendreth after we saw plans to channel anima and massive stockpiles of anima and Denathrius plotting with the Jailer and Denathrius boasting about his machinations etc etc...
subtle oar
The most common assumption I have heard was it was Argus's death and in 9.1 we l...
That was speculation based on misunderstanding what blizzard said
pulsar minnow
Also if you listen close to the cinematic in which the Arbiter gets no-scoped the energy ball thing makes the same howling noise as Remornia
subtle oar
blizzard never said that it was something that happened in Legion, but that the machinery of Death broke during Legion
warm shore
machine broke around the time from emerald nightmare raid to nighthold
tepid fiber
Mhm--but ofc if you mention that something happened around the time of a thing, some people are gonna immediately associate it with that thing
Because people LOVE assuming associations
deep pawn
So it's an assumption he did it. At no point has Denathrius himself said he ordered the breaking? He admits to helping shape "Death's victory" and I saw his hoarding as part of being in on the plan.
subtle oar
Also if you listen close to the cinematic in which the Arbiter gets no-scoped th...
no scoped
Lmfao XDDDDDD
deep pawn
You're making your own assumption there though?
subtle oar
So it's an assumption he did it. At no point has Denathrius himself said he orde...
No. It's literally confirmation. Stop it.
pulsar minnow
Again the Accuser says Denathrius is the one behind the anima drought
tepid fiber
Who said he ordered it broken? It's a part of the Jailer's plan, not his
pulsar minnow
Like, I don't know what you would interpret from that
subtle oar
There isn't some 100000iq shit going on.
deep pawn
Again the Accuser says Denathrius is the one behind the anima drought
Which quest?
tepid fiber
Ferreal
tepid fiber
Which quest?
Are you not paying attention to what's being said
Do you not remember moments of the campaign
deep pawn
You guys said Denathrius admitted to breaking the arbiter, except he never has.
deep pawn
It's been a year since I did Revendreth, so I could use a refresher. I'm asking for the quest.
pulsar minnow
It's been a year since I did Revendreth, so I could use a refresher. I'm asking ...
The info you want is in that exact cutscene
deep pawn
She's accusing him of not sharing what he has with other realms?
tepid fiber
In addition to the entire questline leading up to it
deep pawn
Like his own people are suffering, you find he has an entire hoard of it.
pulsar minnow
She's accusing him of not sharing what he has with other realms?
She says he inflicted a drought upon the Shadowlands
as well as deprived his realm and subjects of anima
deep pawn
She's saying he could fix the drought with what he has right there.
tepid fiber
Fuck it. It was Lady Moonberry. She did it. She broke it.
subtle oar
Kyle please. At this point your just purposefully ignoring the evidence.
deep pawn
No, you guys are assuming things that no one has said. And you make a deal about other people assuming things?
subtle oar
No
pulsar minnow
Also there is the evidence that again, the Arbiter cinematic sound effect from the energy ball sounded just like remornia
deep pawn
She says he inflicted a drought upon the Shadowlands
Because he has a whole reservoir that could solve issues immediately.
pulsar minnow
Because he has a whole reservoir that could solve issues immediately.
Maybe temporarily. But not permanently
deep pawn
At this point I don't think the accuser even knows souls are going straight to the maw.
pulsar minnow
Literally everyone knows
deep pawn
No they didn't at that point.
pulsar minnow
Nobody is getting souls and the Maw is right on their doorstep
strange falcon
think this tiridan profile pic is too futuristic
deep pawn
The Attendants didn't tell the realms anything and the Kyrians didn't share that info either.
pulsar minnow
think this tiridan profile pic is too futuristic
The pic goes hard. feel free to screenshot
subtle oar
Because he has a whole reservoir that could solve issues immediately.
He stole it from the other realms...
deep pawn
Kyrians just assumed it was the way it was supposed to.
pulsar minnow
Kyrians just assumed it was the way it was supposed to.
Yeah because they were a bunch of brainwashed smurfs until we slapped them back into gear
tepid fiber
Oh good lord not that crap again
pulsar minnow
hey im Kyrian Im allowed to say that
tepid fiber
kek
subtle oar
You know you're in the wrong when Tiridan and I are agreeing
deep pawn
But hey, if you think it's Denathrius's magic itself when they made a big deal about the Dreadlords manipulating the legion the very next patch, let both assumptions coexist until Blizzard says one way or another
tepid fiber
You know you're in the wrong when Tiridan and I are agreeing
Tiridan, you, AND me all on the same page
pulsar minnow
But hey, if you think it's Denathrius's magic itself when they made a big deal a...
Hey if you think we're wrong, what do you think is the cause of the drought?
subtle oar
He thinks it was argus
pulsar minnow
But Titans don't go to the Shadowlands? So that's debunked immediately
deep pawn
I think the machinery of death broke with Argus's death and the Dreadlords engineered the Legion's defeat.
subtle oar
Meanwhile, blizzard explicitly said souls of titans can't go to the Shadowlands
pulsar minnow
Argus' world soul is also blue
subtle oar
^
pulsar minnow
He's only red in the mythic phase but his actual soul is blue
deep pawn
Argus was red at defeat if mythic is the canon difficulty.
tepid fiber
And
subtle oar
He's only red in the mythic phase but his actual soul is blue
When Sargeras regained his connection to him
subtle oar
The red has nothing to do with him.
deep pawn
He's also the only world soul we know of that was "Broken and tortured" so rules with that could be different.
pulsar minnow
He's also the only world soul we know of that was "Broken and tortured" so rules...
Sargeras is pretty broken bro
tepid fiber
If anything it would have been tilted towards the demonic, which again would root the soul towards the Twisting Nether and still not the Shadowlands
subtle oar
Argus was red at defeat if mythic is the canon difficulty.
It is said that was Sargeras regaining connection with him. That red has nothing to do with him. We free him from his misery
deep pawn
I'm just amused you guys talk about assumptions when your own version is an assumption off the same clues.
tepid fiber
...
pulsar minnow
I'm just amused you guys talk about assumptions when your own version is an assu...
I mean your ideas have evidence against it
subtle oar
I'm just amused you guys talk about assumptions when your own version is an assu...
We are talking facts
You are offering conspiracies
pulsar minnow
We disagree, and that means we dont agree. nuts amirite
deep pawn
Disagreeing is fine. Their initial argument was Denathrius said it was him, and then said it was the last cinematic of Revendreth. I haven't seen anything where he says that. He's helping Zovaal, but nowhere does it say he broke the Arbiter directly. And then they joked about people making assumptions when it's the same thing they're doing. They just feel they're right.
tepid fiber
Because we get exhausted at you asking questions and not listening to the answers
It's fucking aggravating
You are a physically and mentally exhausting human being
deep pawn
I imagine many people say that about you every day.
I am listening to your answers and I'm saying that it's just another assumption that you and Wynter said is fact
tepid fiber
Did you just "no u"
deep pawn
I mean if we're going to ad hominem attacks on personality, I'll fully admit I find your personality irritating as much as you do mine clearly.
tepid fiber
I'm not making an attack on your personality, I'm just describing the reasoning for our interactions based on your behavior. Settle down
deep pawn
I was open to being wrong and admitting I forgot some quest dialog from something I did a while back and did while getting a bit bored of Revendreth as a zone. Said quest dialog doesn't exist. You could point to the accuser line, but I just see it as her seeing a ton of anima that could solve a ton of problems immediately.
tepid fiber
Listen man, from your own admission you've said it's been a year since you've played the content. Just play the content again and get a better, up-to-date refresher on the content, story, and lore
deep pawn
I just rewatched the pertinent information and it doesn't change my stance.
tepid fiber
Where did I point to a line from the Accuser
No, you watched samples taken out of a whole story. You watched two cutscenes from a story told over the course of hours of questing and content, in-game dialog and cutscenes. Of course you're not going to get the entire point of a story from two snapshot instances
"Oh I watched an FB video of a scene from One Piece--I understand the entire series"
deep pawn
I'm not going to resub and do an entire questline just to see one zone again. If you have dialog of Denathrius saying he did or ordered the breaking of the arbiter directly, I'll gladly read it.
tepid fiber
Fuck you don't even play the game get outta here
deep pawn
Yes, I'm unsubbed because there's been no content for months now and I wasn't playing the last two months of my 6 month sub.
I got a bit tired of 2 renown a week.
tepid fiber
I'm unsubscribing from this conversation it's ridiculous. Doesn't even play and is arguing about the story
deep pawn
I'm not playing currently. I'll probably be back in 9.2 when there's something new to do again. I find it weird you'd find someone currently unsubbed during a lull in the story as the same as not caring at all.
subtle oar
I am listening to your answers and I'm saying that it's just another assumption ...
Gum, me, tiri, dafire, peach, etc
dense plover
^
Denathrius did it
I donât even need to read back to know you are talking about the arbiter
He essentially owns up to it and though he doesnât explicitly state it, he says it in as many words
Also the fact that we flash back to that moment and it wouldnât make sense in any other context
Not to mention the Argus theory makes no sense since the machine of death was broken before that
Halfway through legion =/= the end of legion
deep pawn
"Essentially" is just another assumption, but whatever works for you guys.
dense plover
Itâs not an assumption
tepid fiber
(âŻÂ°âĄÂ°ďźâŻď¸ľ âťââť
dense plover
He didnât say âI did itâ
But he shows it and there is a look of shock on the other guys face
Itâs obvious but you ignore it because you want it to be something else
Itâs cognitive dissonance
deep pawn
This is Warcraft, unless an NPC explicitly says something and even then it can and will change. Such as Zovaal being behind the entire Burning Crusade. Until he says he himself cast the spell, I will say we don't know exactly what broke the Arbiter.
tepid fiber
đ¤Ś
deep pawn
Face palm all you want. Blizzard left themselves wiggle room on purpose probably.
pulsar minnow
"Essentially" is just another assumption, but whatever works for you guys.
Well itâs an assumption that the circle peg fits in the circle hole just like how it was that the arbiters orb belonged to the Jailer. Same thing goes here.
deep pawn
And we've all seen the gif where the other shapes fit in the same hole just as easily.
tulip sun
And we've all seen the gif where the other shapes fit in the same hole just as e...
Your just ignoring what we know happened.
If everyone is disagreeing with you maybe there is a reason đ¤ˇ
deep pawn
Except if you google(and even the wikis) have people still discussing it and saying everything is just theories.
cunning fossil
what the hell watcher I'm sending memes
relevant memes
But yeah I am following this guide tomorrow
urban spire
anyone figure out the runes?
deep pawn
Just pray it's not a new system
deep pawn
Danuser pretty much confirmed sepulcher.
He tweeted "So much awaits discovery in the geometry. So many truths lie in the intersections. The fractals." in response to the teaser which is from a Tazavesh lore item of someone hunting for the Sepulcher of Knowledge.
urban spire
it would be funny if zereth mortis is northrend as it's the bridge to the shadowlands on azeroth and the sepulcher is actually on azeroth
leading to why azeroth is so important
since we really still don't know that
and it would be a good way to tie in the shadowlands directly to azeroth instead of it being pretty tangential besides life and death cycle
well, icecrown specifically not northrend
I actually would love for them to use northrend for 9.2
I think reusing old content to create more volume of decent quality is better than a small volume of super high quality content
welp
I'm gonna go to bed and sleep until 10 am
does blizz do Day light savings or nah?
Where I am we do so I wonder if it's gonna be 9am or 10am for me
upper pasture
its 10am PST (Pacific Standard Time)
cunning fossil
Ice Crowm Citadel Remaster???
cunning fossil
Sounds like good shit
cunning fossil
With bosses like Marroongar, Lady De(ca)fwhiskey, Overlord SourApple, and many more
tribal rapids
Weird to see it downloaded to WoW Live tho?
It would be so cool if we got a short quest line added
cunning fossil
It would be so cool if we got a short quest line added
That would be nice tbh
tepid fiber
Maybe restoring that quest with the locket
strange falcon
It would be so cool if we got a short quest line added
they barely make those for prepatches,if you can even consider the mess of SL prepatch a questline,and you expect them for a patch?
truly the hopium is reaching unheard levels
strange falcon
Bellular's Bingo
I got one more for you
https://twitter.com/theaccolonn/status/1458844415171117061
strange falcon
I have 3 now
I can provide more if you need
cunning fossil
No need :P
dense plover
Well, I was wrong about 3rd patch
This is the last patch
I now have no faith in 10.0
Thereâs no way theyâll be able to iterate on a new expac in time
strange falcon
I now have no faith in 10.0
Damn when you lose peach's faith,you know your game is in dire state
strange falcon
She doesnt look cool without her armor đ
dense plover
And apparently we will never get to see the broker homeland now
cunning fossil
It makes sense.
cunning fossil
Not at all
dense plover
Anduin is a fight
Looks like itâs going to be arthas 2.0
Tier sets are back also
cunning fossil
Tier Sets do look good
dense plover
No info on actual gameplay loop
Theyâre splitting tazavesh
Expected but glad to hear itâs confirmed
cunning fossil
I never once ran taza
upper pasture
Tier sets look mmmmm
cunning fossil
Can't wait to try ut
cunning fossil
Tier sets look mmmmm
Facts tho
upper pasture
I wonder what recolors we gonna get
urban spire
I almost feel underwhelmed
I think they didn't show enough to do justice for it
like it makes it look like it's about the size of 9.1 when it's obviously not
the video I mean
and this might be a hot take but I don't like how the tier sets look
cosmic beacon
if the mythic sets are what was shown in the concept art
then im sweating 9.2 so hard
gonna become a CE raider 
cunning fossil
gonna become a CE raider <:WICKED:816889303275798579>
You can grab them from Pvp and M+ too
cosmic beacon
plus whatever the ce mount is
tepid fiber
I'm just glad tier sets are back
cosmic beacon
cause no way they aint doing one
strange falcon
Tier Sets do look good
Thats the only thing ive seen people be positive about ngl
strange falcon
DIE RAIDING DIE
Thats an unsavory thing to say given raids are a staple and one of the things wow does best(when it wants to)
strange falcon
then im sweating 9.2 so hard
đ¤
Is this the time to say only 1000 guilds have killed mythic sylvanas?
strange falcon
I believe anyone(as long as they dont have big impediments) can improve
But you can always buy a boost right
They spam all day everyday
cosmic beacon
if i dont get the mythic raid set atleast i can get my elite pvp set variant 
which half the time is cooler anyway
lethal tide
cosmic beacon
what on zereth mortis is that
warm shore
What am i looking at here?
strange falcon
No Arthas aparantly
We got sylvanas cameo tho
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/301856568050319360/908418938885525564/SPOILER_unknown.png
All is forgiven i guess
warm shore
looks like a weird talent tree of sorts
cosmic beacon
We got sylvanas cameo tho
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/3018565680503...
as expected
lethal tide
press kit i think
lethal tide
https://blizzard.gamespress.com/en/WoW-Shadowlands-Eternitys-End-Announcement its from this site.
silent urchin
seems weird to have a screenshot when most of the icons seem like placeholders
slender quest
"The High Priestess of Elune will appear in âEternityâs End,â and will come face-to-face with a very different Sylvanas than she battled during the opening scenario for âChains of Domination.â
literal confirmation that Sylvanas is now different because she got her soul back
tulip sun
slender quest
lethal tide
strange falcon
```"The High Priestess of Elune will appear in âEternityâs End,â and will come f...
Genocide is forgiven with no repercussion poggers
10/10 story
cosmic beacon
Genocide is forgiven with no repercussion poggers
just like real life
wide zodiac
new zone looks so cool
lethal tide
wide zodiac
is that one of the first ones
lethal tide
is that one of the first ones
idk the file name is "Lihuvim Terrestrial Keeper"
silent urchin
I wish they just put all this stuff on their own damned website rather than dripfeeding them across like 30 bloody interviews
lethal tide
the screenshots are from the press kit i linked it above if you want to see it
tulip sun
Genocide is forgiven with no repercussion poggers
Awfully presumptuous.
silent urchin
Yeah I looked at that, I meant the interview stuff
wide zodiac
is the jailer going to be a raid boss in sepulcher
strange falcon
new zone looks so cool
Eh,its mostly things we've already seen
lethal tide
is the jailer going to be a raid boss in sepulcher
yeah i think so
strange falcon
Awfully presumptuous.
I mean,if they do actually explain it in a way that makes sense and doesnt handwave it,I'll retract my statement,but we have years of evidence they'd rather take the easy way out
And "shes different now"
tulip sun
I mean,if they do actually explain it in a way that makes sense and doesnt handw...
A bit of an oversimplification of events dude
cunning fossil
There is a difference between overdosing copium and having a decent optimistic attitude idk
Decently*
strange falcon
Thats why they devised "hopium"
I dont make the internet terms
tulip sun
"In the wings themselves, thereâs a lot of fun encounters. One of the names we gave one is like the â3D Printer Wingâ. Itâs constantly creating new things and prototyping these creatures, and one of the bosses in that wing actually is a prototype of the Pantheon of Death. Youâll see a âversion 0.1â of, say, the Archon, or Denathrius, a whole council of prototypes of those creatures⌠itâs just so much cool and unique things to explore within the Sepulcher."
cunning fossil
Wait
Since they claim this is the "last chapter of the 2004 Warcraft Saga"
Does that mean they're trying to start fresh?
As in start fresh with new lore coming into a new ish Azeroth
left arch
That would be interesting
cunning fossil
Would be nice ye
deep pawn
They're just copying ff14 ending it's major first arc. đ
silent urchin
I think it's still all 11 in mythic week 1
cosmic beacon
ye probably
tepid fiber
Since they claim this is the "last chapter of the 2004 Warcraft Saga"
Does that...
No, it's just the culmination in that wing of that story. They said the same thing when it came to N'Zoth
strange falcon
Oh great now even the raid is timegated, no fun allowed
https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-raid-is-time-gated-face-8-bosses-including-anduin-in-324846
silent urchin
It's translated from korean though, so I'm not sure how much I trust the exact phrasing
cosmic beacon
kill 2 birds with 1 stone
cosmic beacon
1 very big zereth mortis lookin stone
uncut lintel
mortis on deez nutz
cosmic beacon
mortis*
tepid fiber
I was wondering how long it would take for the memes and gamer words to pop out about this
I've got my own bingo card for community member reactions and I've won twice already
uncut lintel
what
cosmic beacon
thats 2 words
crimson jasper
well I rather for once have them tell a story and take their time xD
crimson jasper
thats 2 words
didnt say it was only one
cunning fossil
No, it's just the culmination in that wing of that story. They said the same thi...
What I meant was kinda establish a new "chapter" as it were
cosmic beacon
idk go ask ion
cunning fossil
I've got my own bingo card for community member reactions and I've won twice alr...
I wanna see
crimson jasper
kinda reminds me of throne of thunder a tad
uncut lintel
but ion cant find him 
tepid fiber
What I meant was kinda establish a new "chapter" as it were
Not quite what I mean
tepid fiber
so do we get a 9.2.5 then xpac announcement or
Dude we just got a 9.2 announcement, settle down
tepid fiber
People forgetting SL hasn't even been out a full year yet
cunning fossil
What do u mean then Gummie
uncut lintel
People forgetting SL hasn't even been out a full year yet
yes it has
tepid fiber
yes it has
No it hasn't
crimson jasper
also back in the day icc and trial of the crusader also were "time gated" so idk why people NOW wanna blow this up
ofc to make drama
but hey
tepid fiber
wtf
SL launched on November 23 2020. It's November 11 2021 right now. Not a full 365 days lol
crimson jasper
stuff looks neat so far, time to go to work
tepid fiber
No foxy
uncut lintel
not one then just stop
tepid fiber
Who said the xpac is over
cunning fossil
AYYY NEW 60 BOOST
tepid fiber
No he didn't
cunning fossil
Ex
uncut lintel
i assumed 9.2 is last cuz its last major patch
tepid fiber
Where does it say it's the last patch
uncut lintel
1 sec
cunning fossil
Where does it say it's the last patch
It's alluded thst this is the end of the shadowlands story and the end of the Saga that ended in 2004 presumably. We can safely assume that it is the last major patch at least.
There could be a .5 patch but I'm not sure about a .3
uncut lintel
i guess i misread idk i assumed thisis wat it meant but i guess it means smth else
buy yea gumball right
cunning fossil
Fair fair
uncut lintel
no asnwer on 9.2 final apatch
tepid fiber
You're just assuming
tepid fiber
Eh
cunning fossil
I' not saying it's favt
tepid fiber
Requires a bit of leaping
silent urchin
they said it's the end of the 3-part jailer story that was 9.0/9.1/9.2, and have been really vague on the other parts
deep pawn
there's no season 4 coming
cunning fossil
Requires a bit of leaping
How on earth am I leaping?
tepid fiber
Just because it's the end of one story doesn't mean it's the end of the xpac
cunning fossil
Perhaps not
But Jailer 8s also the big bad of the expac
So I mean
What comes after?
tepid fiber
People thought the same about Black Temple and Illidan
subtle oar
9.2 is the final content patch. If there is a 9.2.5 it'll be balancing, etc
deep pawn
There's multiple interviews at this point saying 9.2 is the end of the Shadowlands story
subtle oar
Towelie was right
cunning fossil
That is fair to say but I don't know about a 9.3 comong
uncut lintel
Just because it's the end of one story doesn't mean it's the end of the xpac
this is wat i thought final arc meant but im idiot so my bad
tepid fiber
Maybe we should see how 9.2 plays out first idk
subtle oar
Just because it's the end of one story doesn't mean it's the end of the xpac
For wow, yes it does. WoW doesn't do the same as FFXIV where the last half of the xpac introduces the start of a story arc
tepid fiber
But it has done that
subtle oar
No
tepid fiber
Okay
cunning fossil
How many times has it done it
deep pawn
double legendaries confirmed
cunning fossil
Is more relevant
cunning fossil
double legendaries confirmed
Time for the crazy combies
deep pawn
Flying in Zereth!
cunning fossil
Also PvP is gotta be ficked
subtle oar
How many times has it done it
Never. 7.3.5 was the closest but even then
deep pawn
Flying in Zereth is in a french interview
tepid fiber
Why are we talking about other games that have nothing to do with the Wow Patch
Gamers, that's why
cunning fossil
Why are we talking about other games that have nothing to do with the Wow Patch
Comparison is all
deep pawn
I'm not particularly happy that they split the information this much
subtle oar
Why are we talking about other games that have nothing to do with the Wow Patch
No one is.
cosmic beacon
its all good just spend 10 seconds in a wow server and youll see everything you need
left arch
There was legit mention to FF but ok
silent urchin
Doesn't help that a lot of them are translations, presumably which have been translated twice
deep pawn
Apparently PTR will be within a few weeks
uncut lintel
Why are we talking about other games that have nothing to do with the Wow Patch
my mom
deep pawn
something big tech wise has kept it from coming up this week I guess
subtle oar
Apparently PTR will be within a few weeks
Called it
silent urchin
half the time it's bad enough trying to understand english articles which have been written by a non wow player
uncut lintel
cunning fossil
Lmao
uncut lintel
time to speed level my last 3 classes <a:CB_sweat_super:526045023318310923>
-looks at my shaman- fuck....
me too
cosmic beacon
cant wait to replace my gear in 2 days of patch drop 
tepid fiber
@left arch Yeah, like I was saying the other day, there are tons of reasons why I prefer to talk about the game with people I actually game with VS all these goddamn gamers ruining my gaming
uncut lintel
i can literally get 40 other things in wow for 60 bucks
arctic orbit
đ i know right
left arch
<@615384850576310315> Yeah, like I was saying the other day, there are tons of r...
Overall gaming communities are just toxic or everyone is stupid or both
uncut lintel
tepid fiber
Overall gaming communities are just toxic or everyone is stupid or both
Truth
cosmic beacon
if i was gonna spend ÂŁ50 on a character boost id rather spend it on wow tokens, ez 900k
arctic orbit
very true
cosmic beacon
might give me enough to buy 1 mythic boe
uncut lintel
Overall gaming communities are just toxic or everyone is stupid or both
im stupid but im smart but im stupid smart but i digress i am not smart im stupid degenerate gen z user from 2002 beleiving in conspiracy
uncut lintel
might give me enough to buy 1 mythic boe
i am fucking weak
left arch
im stupid but im smart but im stupid smart but i digress i am not smart im stupi...
Stop copying me
cosmic beacon
i am fucking weak
better yet a single legendary item
cause the new ranks are gonna be extortionate
cosmic beacon
chonky
uncut lintel
snail mount
cosmic beacon
sure sure
cunning fossil
Solo Queue: Solo Shuffle PvP Brawl Coming to Shadowlands Eternity's End Patch 9.2
SOLO QUEUE
Oh wait
It's a pvp brawl
Damn it
uncut lintel
deep pawn
it's testing to see if it works or is even fun
cosmic beacon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645738078920507395/908432877878906960/IMG...
tru tru
uncut lintel
Solo Queue: Solo Shuffle PvP Brawl Coming to Shadowlands Eternity's End Patch 9....
i wonder if that will be fun and easy or hard and tidius
deep pawn
No more renown
deep pawn
Cov + second legendary
cunning fossil
Yay no renown grind
I just wanna do story
And fun shit
Double Legendary Restrictions (Covenant Legendary + One) & Torghast No Longer Required
Ok I like this
cunning fossil
Well you were likely up to date
I was not
It wasn't horrible but I am happy to focus on anything other than a number
tepid fiber
I've had characters up to date since launch as well as new ones--even ones I'm leveling and catching up now
Still doesn't feel like a grind
cunning fossil
I get it. It wasn't grindy for you.
Never said it was horrible. I just like that I don't have to do more of it because it is a minor annoyance to me.
Cov Legendary + Class Legendary seems like a good balance
Well
Maybe not for paladins but
tepid fiber
I guess I have troubles seeing where it would be annoying, due to how easy it is to do
cunning fossil
So I can't "play" them well enough because I didn't unlock everything yet
I'm not even complaining about it for real
strange falcon
Solo Queue: Solo Shuffle PvP Brawl Coming to Shadowlands Eternity's End Patch 9....
The low subs must be making them desperate for them to actually make soloqueue a thing even as a brawl,
Thats been asked since 2004
Always got "no" as a response
urban spire
other than the tier sets cosmetically, 9.2 could be a good patch imo
I could see it releasing in feb and I kind of feel like the new expansion is nearly ready so I could see 10.0 released in july
or august to line up with previous expansions before SL
tepid fiber
Eh
urban spire
and they also mentioned something about more patches after 9.2 just not anything story related
it would be cool to have a 9.2.5 that comes after the expac launch that works as a pre-pre patch
tepid fiber
Or not anything related to that story
urban spire
yeah exactly
I also saw something about danuser saying the next chunks of story need to be told about azeroth and it's characters
so like the start of the next "saga" as they call it
tepid fiber
Maybe the rest of SL, Denathrius becomes the antagonist
That'd be popular
He's got the advantage of dreadlord shenanigans
urban spire
Maybe, I have a feeling he's just gonna be another illidan though
tepid fiber
Nah
tepid fiber
I'd see him more of an Azshara-tier antagonist
urban spire
like maybe 9.2.5 has a mini raid with denathrius
so they can clean up SL plotlines entirely
even if he could be something more major
tepid fiber
Perfectly happy with him being an Azshara-tier antagonist, personally
deep pawn
they didn't put nearly enough system info for me to be super confident
urban spire
well I think that's a good thing
deep pawn
The screenshot of the cipher UI is extremely barebones too
urban spire
it leads me to believe there is less system stuff
well it's an early preview
it'll be sugar'd up by the time it releases
tepid fiber
well it's an early preview
Yeah, you can't expect everything to be in-depth info on a preview
urban spire
^ And I think them not showing systems is more an indication they might not have anything too crazy. They did say something about more conduits and soulbinds
so they're probably not adding anything new, just trying to work on the foundation they have and make the system the best it can be for the expansion climax
tepid fiber
Adding onto existing systems is good
urban spire
for sure, I'
deep pawn
well with no dungeon, the zone and it's progression is the core casual content.
urban spire
d rather them work on conduits and soulbinds then nuke them for a random new thing
deep pawn
Flying and double legendaries are tied to the new zone
urban spire
we don't know how big the zone is though
deep pawn
They said it's about Nazjatar size
glass flicker
As to be expected.
urban spire
okay, and nazjatar was pretty good
tepid fiber
What opposite world are you living in
deep pawn
Mechagon had a lot more interesting content than Nazjatar ever did.
glass flicker
I hope they won't add another dumb progression system. I'm tired of Knowledge farming.
urban spire
you complain about not enough but then say mechagon which is small is better
tepid fiber
What
urban spire
Me too Bad Apple, it kind of felt like artifact power from legion lol
glass flicker
Maybe they can bring back the Argent Marks from PTR.
urban spire
more specifically artifact knowledge
I just want a new rep that uses gold as it's currency and has dailies and cool stuff to farm
maybe 1 special one with it's own currency
urban spire
I'm happy about that, just not their cosmetic aspect lol
they kind of look too basic for tier sets
but we only have 1 variant so we will see
glass flicker
That monk belt is pretty slick. I'd wear that in a more casual mog.
tepid fiber
they kind of look too basic for tier sets
I mean, considering how the zone is basically a zone of prototypes for reality, having the sets look like prototypes themselves fits rather thematically
glass flicker
this helmet is literally a questing plat helm
That's the monk tier. Do not mock.
urban spire
hmm maybe not as much as I thought
this is the helmet I was thinking of
it's quite different
tepid fiber
It is
glass flicker
Yeah, that set also sucks.
It's supposed to be plate, but the boots and leggings are paper thin.
And the texture on the boots looks like it doesn't fit.
deep pawn
well that set is also supposed to mimic the automatons in Oribos
tepid fiber
Yknow, I wonder how the mythic sets will look in comparison. I'm only assuming that they're showing the normal sets
urban spire
yeah. I'm personally just not a huge fan of this stuff thematically so that's my opinion, but from a purely unbiased art perspective they do look nice
tepid fiber
Mhm
glass flicker
I hope they'll add a new dungeon set for each armor type.
urban spire
I actually quite like the shaman set, but from a hunter perspective
tepid fiber
Like, the designs make tons of sense to me for the themes
urban spire
My thought is they're just making it so the tier set is universal but can be farmed from all types of content
but maybe it is 3 different sets
tepid fiber
Even if I don't particularly like them personally, they still look really good
urban spire
with raid ones being raid gearing focused, mythic + being like multi target focused and pvp having pvp stuff
tepid fiber
My thought is they're just making it so the tier set is universal but can be far...
Almost positive it's going to go back to pre-BfA rules, similar to what we saw in Legion
I think Legion handled the tier sets perfectly
urban spire
legion only had tier sets for raiding didnt it?
glass flicker
Legion was almost flawless in my book. What it lacked, was reason to not grind AP.
tepid fiber
There were pvp variants too
glass flicker
That's pretty cool. Gotta wonder why, though.
urban spire
so forge of creation is a new system
sweet
okay so 1 tier set
but you can make it with pvp and dungeon stuff
glass flicker
Also, do you reckon legendary items will have new appearances, or keep the SoD ones?
tepid fiber
All in all, I'm rather pleased to see how this will turn out
urban spire
so bad luck protection, and also allows people who dont raid to get them
strange falcon
I could see it releasing in feb and I kind of feel like the new expansion is nea...
I dont feel 10.0 is coming out until september next year at least
glass flicker
I dont feel 10.0 is coming out until september next year at least
Unless 9.2 is the final patch, which it might be.
tepid fiber
so bad luck protection, and also allows people who dont raid to get them
I mean I'm a PvX player so I'm not bothered by having to do a specific kind of content, but I can see how people who don't raid (for whatever reason) can still benefit. I like this a lot
glass flicker
So we can expect a summer release.
strange falcon
other than the tier sets cosmetically, 9.2 could be a good patch imo
The fact they timegated the raid was a real low blow for so many people
glass flicker
Makes sense.
urban spire
time gating the raid doesn't affect many people dude
most guilds wont clear past 8 bosses in the first week
and if they do they can chill and kill the last 3 the next reset
glass flicker
Let's go hit Zovaal's ankles.
urban spire
plus, timegating raids was literally in every raid prior to cata
glass flicker
Archiles would be proud.
tepid fiber
most guilds wont clear past 8 bosses in the first week
And the possibility of having gear from the first week will help more for the end of the raid
glass flicker
Stupid aurocorrect.
urban spire
and everyone wants to go back to those sooo
tepid fiber
plus, timegating raids was literally in every raid prior to cata
Not to mention has received a lot of positive feedback from modern players in the Classic community
tepid fiber
Same
urban spire
you dont feel like you need to gogogogogog
strange falcon
so they're probably not adding anything new, just trying to work on the foundati...
So exactly the same cycle as legion and bfa, where they release the expansion with systems, add more then "fix the expac" in the last patch and then promise that "next expac will be better" but it hasnt yet
Im not the only one seeing the pattern here