beta-ptr-spoilers

[grim canyon]

Yea, most likely it's gonna last through october, unless Blizz skips testing the Legion timewalking among other things

If they want to skip testing, they can release easily in the first week of Oct

[cunning fossil]

Hmm

Interesting

[storm marsh]

I think we have unfinished business in the Maw - Specifically Torghast. I wouldn't be surprised if we visit Torghast again to see what's up with Arthas and Nathanos.

random thought

[pulsar minnow]

Arthas is almost certainly in Kingsmourne, and Nathanos is probably in Zovaal’s little pocket dimension where he keeps all his soul gems

[dense plover]

Torghast will literally be the final raid

No way we don’t fight the jailer atop torghast

[pulsar minnow]

We already… kinda did

[slender quest]

Why should we fight him in the maw ever again? Why should he come back to the maw at all ?

[tepid fiber]

Probably to get Oribos out of it

Well, at least that's a reason for us to go back

[upper pasture]

Did y’all not do sanctum isn’t that torghast?

Like I’m guessing SoD was like the top half of torghast and the below decks is where all the souls were kept

[slender quest]

yes SoD is torghast and we fight at the top against sylvanas

[deep pawn]

Next raid will be the Sepulcher in Zereth Mortalis

[upper pasture]

^

[slender quest]

also jailer doesn't need oribos . He is in the new zone where the sepulcher is

[slender quest]

exactly. no way we will fight the jailer in the maw

[tepid fiber]

He doesn't, but we might still wanna take it out of the Maw

[upper pasture]

Unless we are fighting him back into the maw

[slender quest]

right but that would have nothing to do with the Jailer raid

[tepid fiber]

Jailer also probably keeps all of his nicest stuff in the depths of Torghast. He could take what he wants from the Sepulcher and then bring it back to his Domination workshop

[upper pasture]

It would kinda be odd seeing as he’s been fighting for “years” to get out of the maw

[pulsar minnow]

This is correct. Sanctum of Domination is the top half of torghast

[dense plover]

Didn’t say the maw

I said torghast

As in he will 100% unchain it from the maw and take it wherever he is going

[upper pasture]

Dalaran 4.0 😂

[slender quest]

oh okay. well that could be a possibility but I dont know

[pulsar minnow]

I dunno man, I think honestly it’d be kind of boring if Torghast is the final raid again, we already did SoD so it’d be the same thing with a different boss list

Now I don’t know if Blizz plans to turn the Sepulcher into a zone or just a raid, but we also have to factor in that Azeroth is the final prize

[slender quest]

that's what I think too

[upper pasture]

ICC final raid. Jailer finally opens the doorway to the mortal realm of Zereth Mortalis (Azeroth) lands near ICC and we fight him there. Also arthas ghost comes and helps /s

[unborn glacier]

Why? He NEVER wanted to be there. Its not his Realm nor his Tower. He's 10000000000% glad to be free of the Maw and Torghast.

There is a 0% chance he does anything with Torghast. Canonically, Sylvanas tore the tower apart in the SoD fight.

[upper pasture]

She did?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah she sundered the top of torghast forcing us to chase her along the chains

[upper pasture]

Huh, I just thought she was like “okay bye, we’re going to oribos now” and thrall and Jaina was like “oh no we can’t let that happen”

[deep pawn]

The cutscene wasn't exactly clear

[upper pasture]

Huh yeah I guess so there won’t be a torghast after this patch? I mean it said she destroys the tower itself

And I mean canonically not like they will just outright remove it because of lore

[deep pawn]

It's not so much the entire tower

She breaks a few pieces off top, I don't think it's the entire thing

[unborn glacier]

Read the screenshot

[deep pawn]

I did.

You can watch her casting rive and see her breaking each piece off

The cutscene makes it seems like she banshees away and Bolvar had Jaina open a portal to follow her.

[upper pasture]

Regardless I strongly believe the Jailer isn’t going to be hauling around torghast. He’s got other plans

Yeah the cutscene wasn’t very clear that the tower is gone but I’m assuming that’s pulled right from the encounter journal.

[faint bolt]

The Sanctum of Domination is not Torghast

[deep pawn]

It's just poor wording. Yes she's destroying the tower but not all of it, just the spikes at top

[upper pasture]

Plus isn’t he after something to reshape reality. It’s not like he’s gonna need a base of operations if he gets to it first. He can just remake the world to how it fits him best

[strange falcon]

given how the rive-blades are shaped,i think she's destroying the spikes at the top of the tower

not the tower itself

[deep pawn]

Exactly. It's part of the tower, but not the whole thing

[faint bolt]

Why does everyone think we're in Torghast? >_>

[deep pawn]

Nothing even implies she cracks the roof

[upper pasture]

How odd

[deep pawn]

I mean the tarragrue, the fact the eye flew off towards torghast etc

[upper pasture]

Also seeing how the first boss is the gatekeeper of torghast and we use anima powers to fight him

[faint bolt]

https://www.gamereactor.eu/video/561313/WoW+Shadowlands+Chains+of+Domination+Interview/

"It is located in The Maw, beyond the labyrinthine halls of Torghast. It is the home base of the Jailer."

beyond the labyrinthine halls of Torghast

[deep pawn]

Beyond in this case probably means above.

[upper pasture]

What’s beyond your kitchen in your house?

Your living room

[faint bolt]

My backyard. Not my kitchen.

[unborn glacier]

That is an in-game limitation my dude.

[deep pawn]

They've broken floors multiple times before if they want to

[unborn glacier]

It literally is.

[deep pawn]

In fact they just did in the sire fight

If she destroyed the floor they'd have shown it

[faint bolt]

Okay, sure. Wowhead knows more than the actual developers.

Sure Jan

[upper pasture]

I believe your misunderstanding the word beyond

[faint bolt]

I think you are

What's beyond the sidewalk in front of your house?

Your house. Is your house the sidewalk?

No.

[upper pasture]

Yes that’s beyond my house

[faint bolt]

So if something is beyond Torghast, it's not Torghast.

[upper pasture]

But also beyond my kitchen is my living room

[faint bolt]

And is your living room your kitchen?

[upper pasture]

Actually yes

[faint bolt]

No, it isn't. Because it's beyond your Kitchen.

[upper pasture]

Well it’s a open kitchen

So it’s right into my living room

[slender quest]

that house thing is such a terrible comparison. Torghast is like a big castle with several floors

[faint bolt]

Good for you. Your living room is not beyond your kitchen then, as it's part of it.

[slender quest]

and at the very top of it

[upper pasture]

But beyond a certain point it’s not my living room it’s a kitchen now

[slender quest]

is SoD

also that interview literally states SoD is torghast ?

just the top of it

[upper pasture]

Lol

Betrayed by your own link

[unborn glacier]

SHHHH, they need their copium

[pulsar minnow]

Dude just look at the Sanctum of Domination

It looks exactly like the top of torghast

Blue Circle is SoD. The top of the red part is where we fight the Tarragrue

It's safe to assume the lower part is where the Torghast runs take place

The entire tower is Torghast though

[slender quest]

the first boss/zone of SoD has also torghast mechanics

[dense plover]

Also didn’t say torghast was the final raid

I just said that’s where we fight the jailer

[pulsar minnow]

if its not the raid why would we fight him there

[dense plover]

It could very well be a mix of places with torghast moving around culminating in a fight atop the citadel above ICC

Because torghast is the vehicle

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but again wouldn't that just be a repeat of the Sylvanas Fight?

[dense plover]

It wouldn’t be

That was not the top of torghast

[deep pawn]

But it was

[pulsar minnow]

But that's exactly what it was.

[unborn glacier]

Yes it was

[pulsar minnow]

"Players first encounter atop Torghast"

thats from the boss journal

[unborn glacier]

You know you're wrong when Tiri and I are agreeing on something

[dense plover]

Well

I’m wrong

But it does say “first encounter”

Implying further encounters

[silent urchin]

PTR updating?

~100MB, now version 40071

Presumably a client patch to fix the worst crashes or something, I doubt it would be new features

[deep pawn]

Hopefully made barbershop useable

[deep pawn]

The whole spit emote thing makes me sad. That so many people are offended they'd remove something like that.

[upper pasture]

Once I saw them take it from TBC classic I knew it was a matter of time until they came for retail lol

[dense plover]

It was LONG past due

And I hope they work to make emotes more about the action and less about being childish or rude

FFXIV doesn’t have many rude ones which works to prevent toxicity

[upper pasture]

True. I was also over that add on that targets opposing factions and does /spit over and over again

[dense plover]

That’s the big reason

FFXIV doesn’t have addons and while I don’t think removing addons is the solution, I think maybe cutting back some API access might be in order

[upper pasture]

FF has addons they just aren’t widely accepted from SQ

I’ve heard tales of if you even mention that your parsing a fight you can get flagged and banned. Which is nice to hear but also I heard that FF limits what you can say in PVP matches?

Like no wonder they aren’t as toxic because you can’t speak freely. Not saying everyone should speak their minds but damn that’s crazy.

[deep pawn]

I never noticed restricted speech in their pvp

It's more that if you get reported, a gm will investigate and if you did say something bad, they will action your account

It's not like WoW where they rely on a critical mass of reports

[upper pasture]

Naw, my friend did PvP and they’re only like 6 pre selected things you can say during a PvP match

But it could have also been a limited PvP match type idk

But I do think FF has their GMs doing great work with taking actions I wish WoW would do the same. I feel like no one ever gets in trouble in WoW unless they are spamming trade telling you to kill yourself or something else along those lines and I mean truly spamming it

[faint bolt]

Eh, as someone who has had /spit spammed on them for wearing the sprite darter transmog because of asmongold, I'm glad they're getting rid of it.

But they should really ban people like asmon when they encourage their followers to harass other players.

[left arch]

theyre getting rid of the transmog? for why?

[faint bolt]

No, theyre getting rid of /spit

[left arch]

ohhhh okay

[deep pawn]

While I can understand and support not liking cosmetics being added to the cash shop and mostly unearnable in game, I could never support harassing people who do buy something offered them that doesn't physically harm another

[faint bolt]

Cosmetics in the store is perfectly fine

It's no different than having pets in the original collectors edition

[unborn glacier]

[faint bolt]

I mean, FF14 GMs are also overly anxious to ban peopl;e

They literally banned people for "stream sniping" asmongold and having the "audacity" to ride mounts around him

[unborn glacier]

[deep pawn]

That wasn't audacity to just be near him. The game at points was unplayable and he wasn't even able to zone. No one should be followed constantly

[tepid fiber]

Everything on the Blizzard shop is earnable via gold exchange. Tokens can be redeemed for $15 Blizzard balance instead of 30 days gametime

[deep pawn]

Still requires someone else to have spent real money on that token

[tepid fiber]

That doesn't make it impossible. When has there never been a token available for sale on the AH since they've been added

Fr

[faint bolt]

I have every shop pet, I think 5 or 6 shop mounts, 1 of the toys, and the transmog. And I've never spent real money in the store. Just tokens.

[deep pawn]

You haven't, someone did though for you.

[tepid fiber]

You're saying that like it was a 1-way exchange. Someone who wants a bunch of gold buys a token for money. They then trade that token for gold, creating a balanced net trade. You, separately, exchange your gold for that token. They're not buying the token for you and getting nothing out of it

Don't be pissy because somone can buy Overwatch and expansion upgrades and shop mounts just by selling battle pets or leather or slutmogs on the auction house

[deep pawn]

I'm not, I'm just saying that because you are selling gold to another player to get bnet balance, isn't making those cosmetics truly earnable in game. If no one bought another token to sell that avenue wouldn't be there.

[tepid fiber]

Thankfully the revenue is there and therefor it's a valid system of earnable content via ingame efforts

Besides, the stigmatization of players that buy cosmetics with no gameplay advantage value is absolutely insane and ridiculous in the first place. Why would you shit on people for buying stuff that doesn't have any impact on gameplay, regardless of whether or not you could get it yourself via ingame effort?

Just dumb petty people being toxic

[deep pawn]

Again, I'd never be mad at someone buying something offered that doesn't hurt anyone else, but doesn't stop feeling bad wishing they'd spend as much effort on things you can earn from in game content.

[tepid fiber]

😒

[deep pawn]

Like the upcoming astral set, yeah, wish that was gonna be some sort of in game challenge to get beyond selling gold

[tepid fiber]

You could then say the same thing for every mount, reputation item, and transmog set purchased via gold from NPC vendors

Buying tokens is the same thing with extra steps--yet you don't see people /spitting on everyone with a grand expedition yak

[deep pawn]

Those are gold sinks, it's not transferring that gold to another player while Blizzard takes a cut.

And if you had read what I said, I support spit being gone, but I can also see why others would be upset with the entire game design philosophy leading to so many cool cosmetics being buyable with real money.

[tepid fiber]

And the route is there that you can also purchase them via gold instead of directly with your own money. It becomes a time investment effort VS financial

Because, thankfully, there are people that would rather spend their money on gold

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry, I don't see a difference if it's your money or someone else's money that ultimately buys the cosmetic.

[tepid fiber]

Clearly.

[deep pawn]

Either way Blizzard got the money for it.

[tepid fiber]

As long as it's entirely cosmetic and it has no impact on gameplay, I see no valid reason to be upset about it other than "but I waaant it" entitlement

[deep pawn]

I think it's a completely valid viewpoint that if you're buying biannual expansions and paying a monthly subscription, that everything cosmetic, especially the most unique or most detailed, should be available at no extra monetary cost.

[tepid fiber]

And thankfully a route is available for the layman to do so

Up to and including purchases for other Blizzard games

[deep pawn]

Again, it's not. It's relying on someone else to buy it for you at a premium.

[tepid fiber]

By that logic, people rely on someone else to buy goods for them at a retailer. If the retailer didn't pay for those goods, they wouldn't be available to you

Either way, it's a currency exchange and not a handout

[strange falcon]

Debatable if those cosmetics are much higher quality than anything earnable ingame,which is the case with most wow storemounts,
And even some cosmetics in 14

[strange falcon]

Do we have gumball being a contrarian again, thats nice

[strange falcon]

The starting point is that both games already have a subscription and you pay for their expansions on top, so the starting line for any argument of this nature should be
"There should be no store to begin with" as the company is already double dipping.

Now the fact the store is accepted because casual players were too docile to fight it when it was implemented and now its taken root as a norm in the entire gaming industry,is a different matter.

You cannot seriously tell me that having 602 items in the store,a number that is ridiculous to anyone not playing the game,isnt such a high number its reached critical mass long ago already

And its only gotten significant criticism NOW that wow players have begun playing the game

Unlike wow,FF14 has no shortage of different ways to earn things,so it has no excuse to not make things earnable ingame, its the 2nd biggest mmo already, the store in any game is a cashgrab accepted by everyone involved

[tepid fiber]

"This company is making a profit on their product, how dare they"

[strange falcon]

How to perfectly showcase exactly why i have you blocked in 1 message

[tepid fiber]

Then quit reading my messages, dingdong

[vocal flint]

i think ff14 emotes jump the gun on rude just to be turned lewd heh

[cosmic ledge]

Hey, guys. Is there an infinite anima vendor on the PTR?

I have checked the vendors in Oribos, but none of them give anima

[ancient jasper]

Not that I've seen yet

[visual vortex]

Oh!!! Did Draka kill us for not telling her that her son that she DIED for is very much alive and in the Shadowlands?

I just watched a cinematic where they just casually talk to each other like it’s no big deal

[pulsar minnow]

No I don't think she killed us because we too are very much alive. I don't know why she would kill us anyways since that's none of the players' business really.

[visual vortex]

Yeah haha I just saw a bunch of jokes going around on Tumblr but didn’t want to put it on retail just in case the Reunion is new

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah the reunion has been out for a bit so you're good

[visual vortex]

Also I watched the cinematics out of order smh

[pulsar minnow]

I don't blame you, there's a lot to sift through lol

[strange falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/612348650865295382/884097377986830376/unknown.png

[cunning fossil]

I mean

He do be right

What would their offer be then?

"I-I will-"

"If you bring the sub numbers up... I will devote 10.0...to rebuilding player trust."

[urban spire]

@tepid fiber coming to the convo late but I think the biggest reason there is backlash is because the game is starting to get transactions on par with a free to play game, except WoW is buy to play for each new expansion and the monthly sub

[tepid fiber]

It isn't

[urban spire]

so it feels like either blizzard should finally get rid of the sub, or maybe stop putting so many free to play esque transactions into the game

[tepid fiber]

None of the cash shop goods effect gameplay

It's all cosmetic

[urban spire]

So? Lots of free to play games only sell cosmetics

it was something popularized by free to play games

[tepid fiber]

I don't wanna repeat this conversation. It's late and I'm going to bed. Too tired to talk to entitled brick walls

[urban spire]

straw manning to the max

[tepid fiber]

I'm not misrepresenting your opinion, I just disagree with it. Not a strawman. This is an irrelevant conversation to me because I disagree with your core argument. Goin the fuck to sleep 👉 👉

[dense plover]

So do all sub based games

Not just wow

[urban spire]

ff14 is the only game I can think of that requires a sub to pay still and yes it also has cosmetics. The difference there imo is that it has pretty much always had those. WoW has only recently started doing it and often at times when it seems malicious. The other problem is that most of the things added to the store seem to be higher quality and fidelity than in game ones. I.e the skyblazer and the TBC classic collectors mount having crazy animations and the sylvanas mount being fairly generic.

[dense plover]

FFXIV also has cosmetics

Far more in fact

[urban spire]

I just said that.

[dense plover]

They’re the only 2 sub based games

[tepid fiber]

EVE

[urban spire]

you cannot compare eve to wow

completely different games

[dense plover]

Right, that also has paid cosmetics

It’s sub based

[urban spire]

like comparing skyrim to starcraft

[tepid fiber]

It's a subscription based MMO

[dense plover]

All sub based games are fair play

And they all have a shop with cosmetics

[tepid fiber]

Skyrim is a single-player rpg and StarCraft is an RTS

[urban spire]

the only thing they have similarities in are that they're mmos and sub based. Past that you can't really compare them

the only similarity that eve and wow have are that they're mmos

[dense plover]

That’s literally your entire argument tho

[urban spire]

that's like saying rust and wow are the same because both are considering mmos

[dense plover]

You argued that if they have a shop they shouldn’t be sub based

[tepid fiber]

The point is that they're subscription based MMO's with cash cosmetic shops, which is the topic of discussion

[urban spire]

and besides the point, you can play eve completely free

[dense plover]

So wow, eve, and FFXIV shouldn’t have subs

[tepid fiber]

You can do that on WoW as well

[dense plover]

According to you

[urban spire]

you can play to level 20 in wow

not endgame or max level

it's a trial, not the full game

you can play the full game of eve for free

you'll have a tough time

but it's possible

[tepid fiber]

And you can only play up to lesser basic frigate classes on EVE, with a skillcap

For free

Not the full game

[dense plover]

but the point remains that you said "get rid of the sub, or maybe stop putting so many free to play esque transactions into the game"

so clearly none of the sub based games should have subs

according to you

[urban spire]

and gumball why aren't you sleeping?

I thought this was a pointless arguement

[tepid fiber]

You're the one who had to carry on with a paragraph

[urban spire]

I was talking to the mrpreach guy not you

[tepid fiber]

Yeah and he disagrees with you too

[urban spire]

And again, you have only provided 1 example that is a fair comparison to wow

[tepid fiber]

Or at least your argument

[urban spire]

Eve is a completely different game with only similar monetary avenues. it's pretty unfair to compare the 2 games

[dense plover]

literally ALL SUB BASED GAMES HAVE SHOPS WITH COSMETICS

EVERY SINGLE ONE

so your argument has no basis

[urban spire]

?

[dense plover]

its a bad faith argument

you said "get rid of the sub, or maybe stop putting so many free to play esque transactions into the game"

[tepid fiber]

It's not unfair. They're both MMO's with subscriptions and cash shops with cosmetics

[dense plover]

that means eve, ffxiv, and wow should go f2p

[urban spire]

Does eve have expansions you pay for every 2 years?

[dense plover]

according to you

[urban spire]

no

[dense plover]

you keep adding prereqs

[urban spire]

I think Wow should go buy to play

never once did I say free to play

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, he's moving goalposts

[urban spire]

you are putting words in my mouth

[dense plover]

so like ESO or Guild Wars 2?

[vocal flint]

yall still on about this shit lol

[dense plover]

actually you did

"get rid of the sub, or maybe stop putting so many free to play esque transactions into the game"

you literally compared it to f2p

[urban spire]

get rid of the sub

not the buy to play

[tepid fiber]

Even GW2 and ESO have cosmetic cash shops

[urban spire]

yes they do but they have optional subs

[dense plover]

also this point is wrong too

"ff14 is the only game I can think of that requires a sub to pay still and yes it also has cosmetics. The difference there imo is that it has pretty much always had those. WoW has only recently started doing it and often at times when it seems malicious."

[urban spire]

expansions are paid for

[dense plover]

Wow has had paid cosmetics since WRATH

[tepid fiber]

THANK YOU

[dense plover]

the 6 month sub thing isnt malicious

its good business

[vocal flint]

remember the wrath cosmetic backlash

[urban spire]

Okay, but again the things being added are becoming more high fidelity than in game achievable things

[dense plover]

and you dont have to buy it

[urban spire]

that wasn't the case in wrath

[dense plover]

false

literally definably false

theyre unique

[vocal flint]

when the game is a step away from maintenance mode it is tho

[urban spire]

really? tell me how the bird or the tbc mount isn't higher fidelity

[dense plover]

but theyre not higher res

[urban spire]

better animations

[dense plover]

compared to?

[tepid fiber]

That's subjective

[dense plover]

what are you comparing it to?

[tepid fiber]

Incredibly

[urban spire]

compared to raid and dungeon mounts?

[dense plover]

such as?

[urban spire]

literally any achievable in game mount?

[dense plover]

give me a specific mount

[urban spire]

Okay, the sylvanus mount

[dense plover]

make a specific modern example to stake your point on

[tepid fiber]

You can totally make the argument for AOTC, season, and achievement mounts

[urban spire]

the mythic +15 mounts

[dense plover]

oh, you mean the completely HD dragonhawk?

[vocal flint]

games doing terrible. theres nothing to do. all content is drained a month into the content patch > lets slap em with a 6 month sub mount to make sure they keep subbing

[dense plover]

the one that they literally made a NEW dragonhawk model for?

[urban spire]

yes that's all they did

made an hd model

[dense plover]

YOU LITERALLY said they werent HD

[tepid fiber]

Fucking uneducated doomers I swear to god

[urban spire]

I never said that

[dense plover]

"Okay, but again the things being added are becoming more high fidelity than in game achievable things"

[urban spire]

you guys are actually unbelievably ignorant

[dense plover]

theyre not more high fidelity

[tepid fiber]

You're 12

[urban spire]

high fidelty isn't only the graphical side

I said animations

[tepid fiber]

Lmao

[urban spire]

stop picking what you want from my arguements

[tepid fiber]

Most of the animations are rigs taken off of other mounts

And then tweaked

[dense plover]

fuck off

[tepid fiber]

Which isn't unique

[urban spire]

fine, keep simping for blizzard and waste your money. I'm muting both of you because you're just running in circles

[dense plover]

this isnt high fidelity?

[urban spire]

like jesus christ you guys are so annoying to argue with

[dense plover]

because you arent defending your point

[tepid fiber]

"You don't explicitly agree with me so you're simps"

[dense plover]

you just keep making new ones

[urban spire]

can't say a single thing without you twisting what I said

[dense plover]

im not even subbed dude

i dont agree with their current business practices

[tepid fiber]

Peach wasn't even twisting, it was direct quoting

No paraphrasing

[dense plover]

but i also dont believe that making shit up is the answer

[tepid fiber]

Direct copy paste

[dense plover]

^^^^

literally quoted you bro

have a good faith argument or fuck off

[tepid fiber]

I'll bet $20 he's reading our blocked posts still

Then he can buy a shop mount

[dense plover]

you can admit you are wrong or say "thats not exactly what i meant" and then expand on your point

but saying "i didnt say that" or moving the goal posts just shows that you never wanted a discussion

you wanted people to agree with you

[vocal flint]

youre arguing with 2 diehard wow fans that think there is zero wrong with the game. o7 good luck dying on that hill cuz they already made camp on it

[urban spire]

yeah i'm not going to engage with them anymore lol

[dense plover]

im LITERALLY not subbed

[urban spire]

I love wow. And my original comment wasn't hostile at all

[dense plover]

theres a TON wrong right now

[tepid fiber]

Peach isn't even subbed and I haven't spent real money on Blizzard in years--I sell battle pets for gold

[urban spire]

I literally just said "i think the backlash is from x y and z" and these boys went ham on me for it lol

[vocal flint]

lol

you say that like anyone believes it

[dense plover]

i just dont see the cosmetic shop stuff as the actual problem. the 6 month sub stuff is toxic but it works and it makes the shareholders happy

[vocal flint]

so the main issue is that cosmetic shops are okay when the game has merit to have it

[tepid fiber]

Like, how dare a company make a profit

[vocal flint]

wow has no merit to have it

[dense plover]

so FFXIV's shop is ok?

[vocal flint]

yes

[tepid fiber]

Subjective

[vocal flint]

they have retarded amounts of content

[dense plover]

where they sell ingame music scrolls, and outfits, and adventure skips

[dense plover]

so does wow lol

[tepid fiber]

WoW has 17 years of content get off it

[dense plover]

wow has more actual content than 14

[vocal flint]

right dead content that nobody plays

[dense plover]

so THATS your point

[tepid fiber]

The director of FFIV literally plays WoW

[dense plover]

not the content

but that content isnt played

why not SAY that INSTEAD

[vocal flint]

theres active groups around 10 year old content in ff14. also im not going to talk to 2 literally die hard boys who still think the content in wow is actually playable lol

[dense plover]

MAKE THE CORRECT ARGUMENT

[dense plover]

I LITERALLY DONT THOUGH

i havent played in months

[vocal flint]

kay

[tepid fiber]

Playable is subjective

[vocal flint]

so you havent played in months but you sub to wowhead

[tepid fiber]

At least in your case

[dense plover]

literally in ffxiv right now dude

[dense plover]

yes

because i sub for the year

[tepid fiber]

Your idea of playability is liking it

[dense plover]

and support the team at wowhead

[vocal flint]

see what i mean? they are lost

move on mate

[dense plover]

perc and sas and a bunch of the others

ive been in this discord for YEARS

[vocal flint]

okay man. o7

[dense plover]

abandoning the discord because im not currently playing and telling a community i care about to fuck off is fucked up

just because blizzard is bad doesnt mean wowhead is

[tepid fiber]

Two separate entities

[dense plover]

^^^^

[unborn glacier]

^

[dense plover]

if YOU cant separate the two, thats not MY problem, its YOURS

[vocal flint]

youre not subbed to a game. but youre subbed to a site that 100% follows wow. but youre not subbed to wow

[dense plover]

yes

[tepid fiber]

He can't even separate subjective opinion from objective fact

[vocal flint]

and the other guy makes a living with pets or w.e

[dense plover]

thats legit easy if you are good at pet battling

certain pets sell for a fortune

[vocal flint]

do you realize how farfetched your arguments sound

[tepid fiber]

What??

[dense plover]

how do i prove to you im unsubbed?

because you refuse to believe me when I tell you

[vocal flint]

heh

[tepid fiber]

How do I prove I'm good at pokemon-lite

[dense plover]

im offering to prove it

but it appears you dont care if i prove it

because youve already made up your mind

here is my main

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/hyjal/liendell

look at their renown

[tepid fiber]

He's not willing to do anything other than insult the person who disagrees with his opinion, because actually making a good faith argument requires research and factual data

[vocal flint]

aint insulting anyone guy

[tepid fiber]

Emotion-base subjective opinions and then shit on anyone who disagrees with you after moving goalposts and claiming that what you said verbatim wasn't said

[dense plover]

you literally called us fanboys

[vocal flint]

thats an insult?

jfc calm down

[dense plover]

you used it as one in context

[ancient jasper]

🍿

[dense plover]

"theres active groups around 10 year old content in ff14. also im not going to talk to 2 literally die hard boys who still think the content in wow is actually playable lol"

[harsh prairie]

same

[dense plover]

thats an insult bruh

[harsh prairie]

@ancient jasper same bro same

[vocal flint]

im not gona waste time talking to the two of you over something that you will disagree youre not at all right now only to literally sit down and die on a hill over other stuff later on. specially when yall start fliging insults and claim we started by twisting little words into something else. good night kiddos

[tepid fiber]

Kiddos

Yeah he's not being condescending at all

[unborn glacier]

Same

And I'm the one obsessed with Pandaren

[tepid fiber]

I still love how I get called a simp for Blizzard even though all I do is deconstruct their bad takes when they're without any merited constructive criticism, despite the fact that I've sued Activision and Blizzard each at least once before they were ActiBlizz and regularly vent about legitimately busted systems

It's just easier to point fingers and fall into tribal slapfights with someone who disagrees with you than to actually talk shit out

Can't act like educated adults

[pulsar minnow]

Gonna be honest here but I don’t know why you ever expect an argument over the internet to ever be “civil”

[tepid fiber]

Fair

Idk I can't imagine stooping down to their level though. I can't personally associate with having that little genuine self-respect

[unborn glacier]

I for one disagree with the removal of /spit, I have also taken a break from WoW, mostly cause my Raid guild fell apart -.-

[tepid fiber]

Mine did too but then I found another one pretty quick. There's always another group, and if you're personable and know what you're doing and contribute to the raid as an individual more than a set of numbers, you're more likely to get invited back

Guilds and communities are always looking to fill spots

[zealous basalt]

Mang what a fest

[cunning fossil]

This is what happens when assholes don't wanna admit they're wrong

[upper pasture]

oof, that was something

[strange falcon]

Some ppl in this char are like that yes

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[strange falcon]

Oh hey its tiridan

[cunning fossil]

Omg

[left arch]

Not true, but that’s your opinion

[strange falcon]

Neither does any game tbh,
Especially if they both have a subscription and paid expansions.

Read it only now

[strange falcon]

[sullen dawn]

lol

[left arch]

i just dont understand how people shit talk games (wow in this situation but also in general) and are just super hateful but still associate with things relating to the game and/or play the game?

[sullen dawn]

I'm the last person to agree with mrpeach but cmon, he played for years, has friends here, helped with datamining for years - you think its weird for him to jump into a server to stay connected? Especially on discord where it takes 1 click to move between communities

Don't be a knob

[left arch]

I literally know no one here, I don’t know anyone’s backstory or anything - how am I supposed to know anything about that. Also what i said was a general statement, it wasn’t directly for that person. So please don’t insult me

[sullen dawn]

Oh look I don't have a PS5 but im in a playstation discord weird

Don't be so touchy, knob is like saying 'ass' 😛 its baby insults. And it applies to everyone, not just peach, my sub is inactive but that doesn't mean i wont play wow again, and I want to track its progress and talk to the community as it (hopefully!) gets better

[tepid fiber]

I don't think Nordic was pointing any fingers at mrpeach

afaik he wasn't one of the parties trashing the game

[left arch]

My comment was towards that Brutal person, and thank you gum

[strange falcon]

That moment when you get transferred to the new school and everyone already assumed you know all about your classmates

[strange falcon]

Also,there is some people that shit on games only because they're jumping the bandwagon when its "cool" with mob mentality,

But the other side,including mrpeach's,
They shit on the game,because they still care about it and want it to get better.
Because you have to remember that in advertisement, "the opposite of love is not hate,its apathy" you're still bringing publicity to the game through hate as well as love

[deep pawn]

I complain about some things because I want the game to be better.

[strange falcon]

People talking about your game is fine,
Its when they stop complaining altogether that you should be concerned, like this current situation with content creators like preach not making any publicity for the game anymore

[sullen dawn]

exactly

the only thing worse than people talking shit about you is people not talking about you at all

[cunning fossil]

Yeah

Otherwise you don't exist

And when u don't exist, who cares

[cosmic beacon]

Not existing is pretty epic

[left arch]

Right

[left arch]

And I agree, but I wasn’t targeting Mr. peach, it was towards that Brutaliteemo person only

[strange falcon]

Oh no,brutaliteemo cant be reasoned with

[tepid fiber]

Constructive criticism >>> complaining

[deep pawn]

Patience to give constructive criticism wears out when the same mistakes are repeated over and over despite players saying, "This isn't fun"

[tepid fiber]

"This isn't fun" isn't constructive criticism

[cunning fossil]

Faz

To be fair, more critical people have been able to do actual feedback and Blizz needs to step up their gams

We thought they were listening to our feed back during Alpha and Beta but it's probably more like 60%

[tepid fiber]

Not listening to player feedback has been an issue that has been touched on during all of this dev controversy. Now that it's been actually highlighted and discussed by the people actually involved in the process I'm hoping to see more feedback-related developments. But, for any of that to start, the tone of the feedback needs to change to actual constructive criticism to help point devs in the right direction now that they have to listen

[strange falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/612348650865295382/884097377986830376/unknown.png

[deep pawn]

"having to do this on every character is frustrating" is constructive feedback that they finally listened to after nearly a year

[tepid fiber]

Yes, because now after all of the controversy they're more receptive to that type of feedback

Before it was just caving to frustrated pressure

[cunning fossil]

Agreed. We can't keep calling them idiots and stuff.

[deep pawn]

I've never called them idiots. I just say I'm tired of them trying to make a few hours of story content be stretched out over 7 weeks.

[cunning fossil]

Not you perhaps

But many others do who diminish your voice to a meer screech

[cunning fossil]

To be fair time gating is somewhat necessary

Otherwise everyone would blow through the entire story and then ask "Why no content?"

[strange falcon]

Make the story a complete package right away and make repeatable content

[cunning fossil]

Oh that is true. Still I feel like timegatng is necessary sometimes.
Never said it feels amazing

[upper pasture]

I feel like time gating is necessary but not to this level

[strange falcon]

Timegating can definitely be "done right" but so far i think only suramars timegating was not a pain

[cunning fossil]

Agree

[storm marsh]

Do we know if there is a raid being added for Timewalking or?

[cunning fossil]

There is some for BC and Wrath, Cata too IIRC

No news on Legion yet tho

[storm marsh]

I mean the newest addition 😄

[cunning fossil]

First rhey'd need to put SoO Timewalking

[storm marsh]

MoP should be next

SoO? Isn't that super long

[cunning fossil]

Then Hellfire Citadel

Oh

ToT maybe then?

[storm marsh]

I feel like it will be Throne of Thunder

Mogu'shan would be personally the best

[cunning fossil]

I've never played a full raid tbh

Besides lfr

[vernal juniper]

a light-ball turned on in my head

Can the legion m+ event just be the anniversary event?

[sullen dawn]

nah seems like theyre just improving timewalking as they add legion

[unborn glacier]

Yeah no. ToT or SoO. They are the two most memorable raids of MoP

[unborn glacier]

No.

[sullen dawn]

Throne of Thunder is good but they should pick the big memorable raid form each exp so ya SoO

[unborn glacier]

ToT would be the pick then

It is widely regarded as the best raid since Ulduar

[cunning fossil]

I thought that was SoO

Since people liked it

It just lasted too ling

[deep pawn]

ToT is more iconic

Siege would be too long

[mossy meteor]

Besides they're doing the middle of the xpac raids

Black temple isn't the first or last raid in tbc

Then ulduar, released in 3.2 i think

Ah, 3.1

Then firelands, 4.2

[deep pawn]

OH LOOK

They finally added flying while dead

[potent flare]

mods gay and i just ass shitted

[left arch]

did they just leave after saying that

dhdh people are so weird

[deep pawn]

the pacing of bonus objectives and them giving renown feels pretty good

sadly I've already levelled most of my chars

[cosmic beacon]

ive got 3 alts sat at 48 till the patch drops

[deep pawn]

I have everything but priest at 60

I may just get one to 60 just to have it to mess around with

[young latch]

crossing my fingers that they make the witch hats year-round this year finally 😛

[ancient jasper]

Would also kill for a permanent Broom Mount. Don't care if it has a cast time or not.

[deep pawn]

hoping for a build today

[cunning fossil]

I can buy renown with gold

l;iterally PTR

[upper pasture]

Neat lol

[cunning fossil]

NGL

swag

so it's 20k gold for renown 40

but really, it's probably more like 10 k

if you actually play the character

[deep pawn]

Hmm

[upper pasture]

And the soul ash and embers buff too

[deep pawn]

Given you'll easily be 20-30 renown through threads with the new bonus objective

[upper pasture]

Always reward 100%

Yes but the other covenants too spend 1500g and have the other 3 at 40/80

[deep pawn]

Oh, true

[mossy meteor]

Ooh

[deep pawn]

I like these changes

[dense plover]

Holy shit

These changes make getting an alt caught up SO much easier

Like, straight to 40 renown, easily get the soul ash for their leggo, and then can skip some of the parts of the campaign

Hopefully torghast leveling gives XP like in alpha

[sullen dawn]

changes likes this every week for the next month and 9.1.5 could literally turn the entire game on its head

[left arch]

have they already been implemented or am i misreading?

[sullen dawn]

theyre on ptr

test realm

[royal coral]

realms are off so can't test yet :p

would be cool if we could up renown 40 on a alt below lvl 60, but I guess it'll never happen

[silent urchin]

Rescuing Souls within Torghast, Tower of the Damned now earn credit for “Return Lost Souls.”

including the change to make it 20 for all

this will be so much nicer for alts

I know it didn't take that long spamming the rocks around the furnace area

but it was still annoying

Acquirer Ta’gosh in the Hall of Curiosities now sells a Gateway Control Shard that lets you activate the nearest Demonic Gateway.``` this is real nice too

[royal coral]

Can be nice yeah to farm souls in Torghast, I almost never do Torghast on my alts

[silent urchin]

bind demonic gateways to a button

[sullen dawn]

i assume they consider 40-80 reknown levelling to be current content

would be like skipping normal raid. its the main outdoor world progression system

[dense plover]

They absolutely do

[sullen dawn]

besides it sounds like renown is gonna come quick and from a lot of sources in 9.1.5

[dense plover]

I imagine they will tweak the item or add another one during 9.2 or 9.2.5

[sullen dawn]

so skip to 40 and youll be at 60 in no time from regular content

ya

[dense plover]

Well, you need to get to 80, not 60, technically speaking

[sullen dawn]

yes i just meant in regards his example.he said he wanted to skip to 60

[dense plover]

But there’s no weekly cap once the cap reached 80 as of 9.1.5, so you’ll catch up fast

[sullen dawn]

yep

[dense plover]

He said renown 40 below level 60, which

I don’t really see the point?

[sullen dawn]

doesnt matter

[dense plover]

You can’t do the campaign even if they gave you the renown then

[sullen dawn]

we agree on the main point

[dense plover]

Yes

I REALLY hope leveling in torghast is like alpha

[sullen dawn]

my favourite change is souls from torghast count tbh

[dense plover]

That was so fun

It’s a good change

[sullen dawn]

that makes the weekly list so much shorter. getting 20 souls on multiple chars is hell

[upper pasture]

But you’ll also be able to skip the campaign as long as you’ve done it before on a different character

So that’s nice

[dense plover]

The covenant campaign, yes

But that means you need to have done all 4

This renown change makes it easier

Now you don’t have to grind renown between campaign quests

You can just get to 60 and immediately start doing the campaign for your covenant if you haven’t done it already

[sullen dawn]

thatll make the korthia story much more sistinct

[upper pasture]

I’m so glad to have that covenant change

[sullen dawn]

being able to do it in one go

[dense plover]

For me I’m solely focused on torghast leveling

[upper pasture]

I hope it’s nice and easy

[sullen dawn]

yeh i hope they add xp for each run completion and up the daily xp significantly

[dense plover]

So when servers come up, if someone wants to test on a level 50 or a threads character that isn’t at 60, that would be great

[upper pasture]

I do have a few alts left not at 60

Well I don’t do PTR stuff tho 😦

[dense plover]

In alpha, enemies gave XP but you kill so many that each run gave 1-1.5 levels

[sullen dawn]

i wonder if twisting corridors will get any changes

[upper pasture]

Oh that’s nice

[sullen dawn]

i know its kind of a side thing, but feels abandoned

[dense plover]

I want that or I want run completion to give a big burst of XP

[upper pasture]

It’s probably gonna be the second thing

[dense plover]

Imagine doing 6-8 hours of torghast to level an alt instead of threads of fate WQs and side quests

[sullen dawn]

they might save twisting corridors for 9.2 when they can add a bunch of new cosmetic rewards for it

i would definitely do that peach

[upper pasture]

That’s how dungeons essentially work now aside from the small exp you get from kills

[sullen dawn]

alt torghast is a blast

torghast dungeon finder would be nice

auto queue

[upper pasture]

Also are these changes cross faction too?

[sullen dawn]

id imagine account wide

[dense plover]

It’s probably an account bound token

And yeah, account wide probably

[upper pasture]

Like I used to play horde quit and came back and now alliance but all my horde toons are 45 I’d hope I can leve them torghast and not be stuck doing SLs one more time to get them able to do alt leveling torghast

The dream

[dense plover]

You can definitely do threads on them

So yeah torghast

But we don’t know what xp from torghast looks like currently

[sullen dawn]

did it say it was improved this build?

[upper pasture]

Nice! Let’s hope for a decent amount

[sullen dawn]

cos before it was bad

like really bad

[dense plover]

It probably won’t be noted on the change log

[sullen dawn]

ah

[dense plover]

Not unless it’s something they specifically are testing

Which is unlikely because balance for torghast while leveling doesn’t matter as long as it isn’t impossible

[sullen dawn]

yeh i guess xp rewards as a system is probably flawless technically

[upper pasture]

I wonder if/when they will make box of many things accountwide. I’ve seen people asking for it but idk

[deep pawn]

I won't have many if any chars to level in the patch

But they'll be doing bonus objectives for renown

[dense plover]

I still only have 2 characters at 60

[deep pawn]

Especially if said renown can start at 40

[dense plover]

Out of my intended 4-8

Because I burned out and got sick of the patch

[deep pawn]

I'm sadly at 11. Only missing priest

[upper pasture]

Hmm…I’m at 12 (one of each on alliance) then 4 other redo mail classes at 50 and the. Another paladin on another server. So 13 lol and if torghast level pans out I can level more horde characters and truly have no life lol

[silent urchin]

build is out btw, although I doubt there's much interesting to datamine (40071 -> 40078)

Actually seems like a whole bunch of new textures

[ionic terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696800517170397294/885282334444769310/chrome_mDqCZB42AD.png

[ancient jasper]

o_O

[silent urchin]

I was just about to ask if we had that already

"Lightforged talbuk"

I guess the timewalking mount

[ionic terrace]

nah prob for lightforged pally

[upper pasture]

Ib4 void lords expac confirmed Yrel mount

But I do like that mount

[ionic terrace]

not hooked up yet it seems

[cunning fossil]

Oh wo

[storm marsh]

Black/White/Brown hair colors have been added 🙂

[unborn glacier]

Oh great

[silent urchin]

torghast is now 350 cinders/wing at level 12

Also apparently highmountain are currently disabled

which might be related to all the random tauren textures I saw in the changes

Yeah, can't create them. Tried to copy one and it was locked

There are definitely some extra unfinished model bits showing up

https://i.imgur.com/ioWyKic.png

awkward helm for it but that's the only one I have and I can't take it off

looks like new horn options, new hair options, a few horn jewelery bits and a feather

Oh stiven is looking through things on stream

[upper pasture]

hmm....isn't the PTR thing in the game version drop down list?

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/sGtWjhe.png also something new on the tail

[upper pasture]

oh nvm i had to create a PTR account for it to show up

[dense plover]

Glad they’re expanding the legion ARs to match the newer ones and the increased base customization

Maybe one day we will see panda jewelry

XD

Also I still want taunka face options for male Tauren

Omg, lightforged finally getting a paladin mount

Fucking finally

[tropic trail]

And I want body piercings for all races

I envision my human monk to have a belly piercing

[dense plover]

Never gonna happen

[vast remnant]

scars for all races, it would be logical. 😦

[dense plover]

Notice how all body customization is 2D?

[tropic trail]

They have body jewelry for blood elves

Which isn't all 2D

[dense plover]

Uh isn’t it only the arms and neck?

[tropic trail]

Yeah?

[dense plover]

Those aren’t covered by armor always

[tropic trail]

They never are

[dense plover]

They’re not going to add 3D body jewelry

Scars would be nice

[tropic trail]

Also separate scars from faces

[dense plover]

Something like 6-8 options that can be applied to 4-6 different places

[tropic trail]

Especially on humans

[dense plover]

That they should

Scars should be their own option

[tropic trail]

Yup

[dense plover]

At least that’s a thing they can actually do now with the retooled character stuff

[tropic trail]

Also, give night elf males the 2D beard back

[dense plover]

It was physically impossible before Shadowlands

[tropic trail]

I miss the 2D beard nelf males had. Now it's all 3D and no beard is really full

[dense plover]

Humans having built in scars is a result of them being the first faces they worked on before fleshing out the systems

Hence orc scars being separate

[tropic trail]

Mag'har orcs should have the proper shattered hand skin tone

[dense plover]

They essentially have to go back through the scarred human faces and remake them without the scars

Which isn’t easy

[tropic trail]

The playable shattered hand mag'har are darker than the NPCs

[dense plover]

But needs to be done eventually

[unborn glacier]

They did on the arms and neck.

[silent urchin]

Apparently a new portal that goes straight to the raid entrance

and more rift portal locations

[dense plover]

Good

[tropic trail]

Now add a flight path to Mor'Geth

That zone is so annoying to traverse

[upper lantern]

This lightforged talbuk looks amazing

[royal coral]

Nevermind we can use the renown 40 item at lvl 50 :o

[silent urchin]

apparently that also unlocks all the campaign, at least someone in test chat on PTR said so

[willow gust]

Someone know why the versions x.x.1 to x.x.4 doesnt exist ? I dont understand why skip to 5

[unborn glacier]

WoW doesnt do that

[tepid fiber]

Because when you're looking at X.Y.Z the Z usually adds new game features, instances and scenarios, but tend to focus on updates such as balance changes, and are usually the midpoint between the Y patches. If the Z is a 5, then that means it's the only patch between two Y patches. So, after 9.1.5 the next expected patch will be 9.2.0

But more simply, yeah, what Baifeng said lol

[deep pawn]

they used to be more incremental

Legion is when they sorta finalized the current paradigm with the exception of 8.3.7

[sharp condor]

not sure if right place for feedback, but since the subject of the news post is ptr, ill just write it here, about the post AoE in Patch 9.1.5 - The Math Behind AoE Soft Caps and Square Root Scaling, no one needs more confusion about aoe caps, soft caps have been meaning abilities where total damage doesn't increase anymore after N, eg soft cap of 20 means the ability can hit more targets, but the total damage amount doesn't increase after 20, instead the damage per target goes down, while total damage stays the same.
trying to change the meaning of soft caps will just create unnecessary confusion

[dense plover]

Lol high mountain got options even Tauren don’t have

Tail and tail accessories

[left arch]

i wish h.m had more color options

unless they did and i just didnt see

[dense plover]

they did

like 4 or 6 new skin colors

[pulsar minnow]

Those new hairstyles for the Highmountain Tauren are amazing

I almost wish the OG Tauren had those too, but I get that they want to make some differentiation

[deep pawn]

I can't wait to learn what the t20 recolors are for

[pulsar minnow]

Same. Just saw the Warrior set and I absolutely need to get it, especially since I missed out on the Elite Set and think the green is ugly

[deep pawn]

I'd personally enjoy if they were mage tower as a way to bring those back without just giving out the unique models

[pulsar minnow]

That’s actually a fantastic idea

[dense plover]

i suspect theyre from M+ legion

thats probably the gear set that will drop

because having it drop all the loot the dungeons normally drop but scaled for M+ would likely totally fuck balance

[deep pawn]

That'd be the worst possible way to do it. Yuck

Buy an ensemble, do a specific challenge, yes, but don't put cool transmog like that as RNG during a super limited event

[pulsar minnow]

I gotta agree here. If the current M+ drop rates are anything to go off of, it’ll be a nightmare trying to collect those sets.

Maybe just putting them up for timewarped badges or something is the move here

[dense plover]

could be a purchasable thing yeah

they could do both

[deep pawn]

And why wouldn't they just be able to scale armor up? The only things that would be questionable are trinkets and the aa ring.

[dense plover]

because stat balances are different

but yeah i moreso worry about trinkets and jewelry

[pulsar minnow]

@deep pawn yo dude I think you called it

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/return-of-the-mage-tower-hinted-in-patch-9-1-5-datamining-324115

[ancient jasper]

Sweet

[drowsy leaf]

i wish i could get the druid bear forms but they probably wont bring those back

[cosmic beacon]

Why else would we return to the mage tower if it wasn’t to get the appearances or new variants

[drowsy leaf]

probably new variants, but i want the werebear forms from legion

[cosmic beacon]

Probably will but just different colours

Or just the same ones

[drowsy leaf]

yea i guess we'll see

[cosmic beacon]

If I can’t get the werebear ima just quit

Legit only reason I went guardian was for the chance of being able to one day get that appearance

[dense plover]

ah

so they give a recolored t20

instead of the artifact appearances

im ok with that

i just didnt want them giving a reward they said would be exclusive and making it unexclusive

[cosmic beacon]

I’d much rather prefer the sets to come from the m+ and either recolour artifact appearances for mage tower or just give us old ones

[dense plover]

well it seems like some artifact appearance look a likes are going to drop

but i dont think theyll give the mage tower ones

that would be lame

[cosmic beacon]

Just give us recolours, everyone who played in legion still get to flex their stuff

[upper pasture]

yeah i think reecolors are gonna be it

[cosmic beacon]

Pink werebear

[dense plover]

i mean

no

the recolors for those appearances existed

and they required the base

so giving ANY version of that would feel bad

[upper pasture]

Yeah cause they’ve only used two color palettes for things in the past

[ancient jasper]

What feels bad is making completely unique Druids Forms and then sticking them behind a limited time event and no-one afterwards ever having the chance to get them.

[cosmic beacon]

If they scaled it to make it a challenge like it was intended I don’t see any issue with bringing them out again or making recolours

It sucks to have missed legion and not being able to get at least 1 of the bear forms because unga bunga limited time

[upper pasture]

Doing recolors gives them the copout of giving the form to players who missed out originally but then the color difference would keep the OG form to the originals

[cosmic beacon]

Ye

The og white werebear is cool asf but if I can get a recolour that’s all I could ever want from legion timewalking

[dense plover]

assuming its actually equally challenging as it was during 7.2, sure

[upper pasture]

yeah, i mean i'm not saying make it super easy, just make it as challenging as before. its from my understanding that it would scale to down if you were over geared anyways

[storm marsh]

Hoooray

[cosmic beacon]

Very dope recolour

[upper lantern]

Not sure about the colors on the helmet, but the rest of the set gives me the Northrend vibe that's just perfect for DKs.

[royal coral]

I can not wait to see the DH set

[upper lantern]

Yeah, curious on DH and monk

[deep pawn]

Dh is dark green

People were complaining in the wowhead chat

I figured the dk set would be green

Raid was blue and pvp elite was red

And you know dks can only have 3 colors

I'm excited my baseless speculation was right!

Mage tower, woo

[vernal juniper]

yeah another "redone" content yuppie

[royal coral]

next step : bring back WoD challenge mode with recolored sets ?

[pulsar minnow]

That doesn’t sound horrible. I think it could be awesome if they brought back a tier and recolored it as a reward from some sort of challenge mode from the expansions that had them

[vernal juniper]

how to create content without creating content, you start.

[unborn glacier]

Can you just leave? Lol XD You clearly don't give a shit about the game and just want to complain.

[royal coral]

Classic is working well, so now they try to bring back old stuff into retail, not bad imo, ppl loved mage tower and challenge mode

[vernal juniper]

@unborn glacier just put me in ignore, you cleary don't give a shit about the game and you cheer of everything. are you a mod? no so stfu fanboy.

[unborn glacier]

Fanboy? XD lmfao

[deep pawn]

I'm down for them adding back old content if it lets us get new rewards.

The game has tons of stuff that just gets dropped

I dream of a 10.0 where every few weeks has a different m+ timewalking just to mix things up

[vernal juniper]

I dream of a 10.0 called wow 2 but this is just me

[vocal flint]

cant wait for wod challenge weapons to come in with a new blue hue slapped on top

[deep pawn]

I'd be down

[unborn glacier]

Bring back the MoP challenge modes!

I want those mounts!

[zealous basalt]

And sets

[deep pawn]

I haven't used a Phoenix in forever

I only got the monk set too, probably considered the worst of them

[ancient jasper]

Yeah the Priest recolor is sexy

[cosmic beacon]

Idk if it was wod or mop but let us get a version of the cloudsong glaive

It’s easily like the coolest weapon in the game

[deep pawn]

Is that the WoD polearm?

I never felt compelled to do those challenge modes for weapon transmog

[sullen dawn]

a seperate thread for every set is so irritating

[strange falcon]

they need dat money

[sullen dawn]

right but now im clicking 0 posts instead of 1

not 6

[tepid fiber]

What about the people who only want to look at one set, instead of browsing through a bunch of sets for classes they don't play?

"omg how dare I have options and choice"

[upper pasture]

Also it’s about posting time. If you’re the first to post said set you’ll get more clicks then if you waited for all 12 sets to be datamined and post a big link

If you don’t care for it just wait, they’re will probably be a recap post once all of them are datamined

[deep pawn]

I can't blame any company maximizing click profit even if it's annoying to me personally

[sullen dawn]

i can

its their responsibility to find a format that is sustainble and doesnt piss off their visitors

[sullen dawn]

that's not why they do it and you know it

[upper pasture]

Strange, doesn’t piss me off

[strange falcon]

china said it's putting a stop to profit-only gaming companies few mins ago

😂

[sullen dawn]

well im not screaming from the roof haha

mildly irritating might be better 😛

[strange falcon]

tencent and netease stock dropped 7.7% in a second

[sullen dawn]

they think gaming is ruining their male population

[upper pasture]

Hmmm

[sullen dawn]

tencent are mostly pivoting into western media, as they know chinese market is limited

[strange falcon]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/china-tells-gaming-firms-to-end-solitary-focus-on-profit/ar-AAOeOhX?ocid=entnewsntp#comments
they're only doing this because they're realising their big companies like tencent are getting too big for them to control if they continue like that

The agencies told the companies they must enforce the new regulations and break from “the solitary focus of pursuing profit” to prevent minors from becoming addicted to games. They should also remove “obscene and violent content” and avoid “unhealthy tendencies, such as money-worship and effeminacy.”

“The authorities ordered the enterprises and platforms to tighten examination of the contents of their games,” Xinhua said. “The platforms must also resist unfair competition to prevent excessive market concentration or even monopolies in the industry.”

Netease said in a statement it will comply with anti-addiction regulations and promote more quality games for minors.
“We believe in healthy game play and take very seriously the physical and mental health of minors,” Tencent said in a statement. “We appreciate the guidance and instruction from the relevant regulators, and will work hard to be in full compliance with all rules relating to youth game addiction and content regulation.”
the best part is that they cant even say no or they get deleted

[upper pasture]

I think Dafire has me blocked

[strange falcon]

sure,but tencent is based in china,so it has to follow china's laws

[sullen dawn]

they should be 'being a furry' in unhealthy tendancies

then i might agree with them

[strange falcon]

yes,you were a little too annoying one or more times

[upper pasture]

I just wanted to laugh at the tencent stock drop 😦

[sullen dawn]

tencent have more money than god, some short term market reactions arent gonna hurt them

[upper pasture]

If anything this is a buying opportunity

[tepid fiber]

Dafire is the kind of person to block you but then takes the time to keep reading all of your messages

[sullen dawn]

yes

[tepid fiber]

He does the same to me

[sullen dawn]

as its a false dip

[strange falcon]

certainly,but these laws in theory should curb the super predatory monetization practises

[sullen dawn]

i agree dafire, unfortuantely it seems the intent is not specically to stop those monetization practices, but gaming engagement in general

[strange falcon]

i block you for the convenience of being able to ignore you when you're not making sense

[upper pasture]

Eh, I suppose let them do them

[sullen dawn]

i have gumball blocked too haha

[tepid fiber]

Why the fuck are you so insecure as to keep reading blocked messages then

[sullen dawn]

sorry i dont know what you said

[tepid fiber]

Like ffs you're not doing anything differently at all compared to not blocking

You're just being all "nya nya nya I can't hear you wait wtf did you say"

[strange falcon]

you'd think that,but if you were to go on another tirade,i can just remove your messages from chat,that's very convenient

[tepid fiber]

What a big fucking baby

[upper pasture]

So blocking just makes it what so we can’t react to your posts or tag you? But you can still see our messages?

[tepid fiber]

No, our messages are hidden and they have to go through the extra effort to reveal our blocked messages to read them

So they hide us, but continue to engage us

[upper pasture]

Oh, and yet they do. Odd. I don’t think I’ve blocked a single person. Even people who I don’t necessarily agree with.

[slender quest]

https://tenor.com/view/faint-drama-queen-gif-13715659

Drama time ^^

[tepid fiber]

It's definitely something that insecure drama llamas do. "Oh I'm gonna block you but still read everything you say"

[sullen dawn]

hah i kinda wanna see now

must not click show mesage

[tepid fiber]

Like I can respect if Toby actually sticks to his guns. If he wants to filter me out for disagreeing with him, sure, stoop to that level. As long as he sticks to it instead of being contrary then good for him

[deep pawn]

Discord makes blocking pointless. I don't want to know the person is still talking haha

I want them to not exist

Regarding China, it's amusing watching them try to put a lid back on unfettered capitalism

[frigid crater]

Reminder to keep the discussion relevant to PTR news.

[deep pawn]

Gotcha!

You got any more of those recolors? *Neck scratch *

[upper pasture]

so how about those korthian armament change huh? lol

[pulsar minnow]

Now as much as I love these new recolors, I kinda wish they’d bring back Tier 19, and for warriors recolor it in like white or black and red

Tier 19 in general was soooo good but some of the color choices weren’t the best. cough mage cough

[tepid fiber]

Or just bringing back more class sets in general

[vernal juniper]

for trasmo or for power?

in the end the power is just a trait/soulbound

[tepid fiber]

Either

[zealous basalt]

Open challenge modes again everytime their time walk appears

[deep pawn]

I'm torn on that. Challenge modes were hard to do.

I'd rather they turn mop and WoD challenge modes into m+

[zealous basalt]

Oh yeah

Well

Isn't challenge mode like

The precursor of M+

[deep pawn]

Yes

Activated the same way. Keystones just took challenge modes and scaled them rather than scaling us dowb

[zealous basalt]

Mhm

[deep pawn]

It'd require some work on mechanics to make sure none are super punishing scaled up, but I think they can do it.

[tepid fiber]

A large issue with implementing old challenge mode content is that the challenge modes themselves were optimized with features, playstyles, and systems that for the most part only existed during the patch where the challenge modes were available

So tuning is a big deal

[deep pawn]

I'm not saying it'll be fast. I just want the old content at a difficulty and awards gear that's relevant.

Get to a point where we get a m+ event a month

They have so many old dungeons that don't even get ran in timewalking

[coral hull]

They removed HMT from character select while they add the new stuff

Probably mentioned already

[dense plover]

Must’ve been hotfixed

Makes sense

Probably caused issues

[silent urchin]

Nah it was like that from yesterdays build

any characters are locked too

[deep pawn]

That rogue set

Second favorite after priest

[coral hull]

Trying to make an Undead Warlock on the PTR breaks the PTR for me

anyone else?

[cunning fossil]

HMT are ghetting new customizations

that's probably why @coral hull

oh nvm me stupid sorry

[dense plover]

I mean it could be why tho

[dense plover]

What do you mean by “it breaks”

In what specific way?

[coral hull]

Sorry, I meant to say it disconnects me

Even after multiple restarts

[dense plover]

Oh

Try a different race

Although tbh it could be they only want copy characters tested right now

[coral hull]

All other race/combos work, just undead warlocks that disconnect

[deep pawn]

I love using armor sets on the wrong class, part of me hopes these new recolors aren't class locked

I want a paladin with the new warrior recolor

[random musk]

I hope so too Kyle. The DH one is poo poo and it’s my main

[upper lantern]

Has anyone seen the monk set yet?

[tropic trail]

No, but I bet it's gonna be blue

[mossy meteor]

@upper lantern https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/new-monk-mythic-tier-20-armor-set-recolor-in-patch-9-1-5-324113

[deep pawn]

Nice, orange tiger

[left arch]

Not sure if I vibe with it

[dense plover]

Damn, DH recolor looking great

Monk is ok

[cosmic beacon]

MORE GREEN

[unborn glacier]

Looks pretty much the same. They should have gone wild and made it and the shoulders glow blue

Not more green

[deep pawn]

I wish my druid could get it

Monk set is just Goku colors and I'm here for it

[tropic trail]

Ngl I hate it

We already had orange for the LFR set, and they only switched purple for blue

[deep pawn]

Goku... Colors...

Haha

I'm honestly surprised that color scheme doesn't show up more for monks

Kharazim in HotS only has a single skin with those colors

[tropic trail]

Eh, I'd be fine with Vegeta colors instead

White vest with blue sleeves and white gloves, blue pants and white shoes

Make it a monk set

[deep pawn]

It's better still haha

I'll take green over brown

[deep pawn]

what did they change about the ptr notes

or is that just the blue tracker getting funky

[deep pawn]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1033268.jpg

I love the color

[pulsar minnow]

Only two are green though.

[dense plover]

Druid is turquoise or blue

Not green

[urban spire]

I mean

legion was a very green expansion

I think that's why so many of the recolors are green

[deep pawn]

Druid recolor looks green to me

At least compared to the original brown yellow

[tropic trail]

Renown skip at 9.1.5 ?