beta-ptr-spoilers

[cunning fossil]

Can't wait to see

The difference between 2 covs isn't as significant of not having one

[tepid fiber]

You can say the same thing over faction, race, class, and spec selections

[cunning fossil]

Don't pretend that it's that large of a difference

[tepid fiber]

On ST for MM, the worst covenant option is only 5% behind the best 🤷

[deep pawn]

How about AoE?

[tepid fiber]

Did I say AoE

[deep pawn]

I'm asking about AoE, what's the difference there?

[tepid fiber]

Raid prioritizes ST and cleave anyway

[cunning fossil]

Out of curiousity..w-which cov is it?

[unborn glacier]

That 5% is pretty bad tbh

[tepid fiber]

Depends entirely on talent and leggo

[tepid fiber]

You and I both know it's necrolord

[cunning fossil]

LET KE HOPE GUM

But the Nexrolord Lego feels

[tepid fiber]

If you're acing your parsing, sure

[cunning fossil]

Good as hell

In AoE

[tepid fiber]

Oh for sure, especially on such a low CD

[cunning fossil]

I just switched between Serpent stalkers and Munitions depending on wether it's Tyranical or Fortified

[tepid fiber]

The NF leggo is as good as no leggo on 5+ targets

[cunning fossil]

Ooih makes sense lmao

It only affects ST right?

[deep pawn]

Eh, there's not many pulls that are 5+ targets the entire time

[tepid fiber]

Anything under 5

[cunning fossil]

Ah I see

So cleave and ST

Makes sense

[unborn glacier]

Its super good for BM

[tepid fiber]

But again, it's one of those situational things

[tepid fiber]

Oh for sure, but I still prefer using Rylaks

[deep pawn]

The situation being that it works for almost every spirits cast at least partially

[unborn glacier]

I have rank 6 of both

[cunning fossil]

I've been so behind on my Legos

I still need to up a couple of mine to 5

PAIN

[tepid fiber]

I've got a leggo for each power on my main crafted to at least 4

Only one I've got at 6 is SST

[unborn glacier]

Too much Boreghast

[tepid fiber]

Well, SST and Antlers tomorrow

[cunning fossil]

Same

[tepid fiber]

Yeah but I don't hate Torghast

[ebon slate]

torghast is very fun this patch

[cunning fossil]

Torghast got much better after the change for me

[ebon slate]

its more fun in groups

imo

idk why

[cunning fossil]

Imagine having friends

[ebon slate]

i mean just pugging

has been more fun

[deep pawn]

I prefer torghast solo

[cunning fossil]

I'm coping it's ok xP

[deep pawn]

If I wanna afk at the broker that's my prerogative

[unborn glacier]

They missed the clear opprotunity of making uprezzed ICC geared and putting it into Torghast or old removed gear appearances

I'd run Torghast for that

[ebon slate]

they added a bunch of mogs tho

[deep pawn]

Shoulders and cloaks a full set does not make

[ebon slate]

I'll be pretty sad if they get out of this expansion with a lesson learned of "torghast was bad"

and never do it again

[deep pawn]

Torghast being forced chores for power is bad.

[ebon slate]

I really dont get that sentiment

if you enjoyed torghast, then you wouldn't say them being something you do for power is a bad thing

it's not like something being required for power inherently makes it bad

[unborn glacier]

The copium is one hell-of-a drug

[ebon slate]

reminder baifeng is upset because I was rude about his progression and then comes in with these comments

[tepid fiber]

Dude, shut up. Misgendering someone and then continuing to be a dick over previous shit

[ebon slate]

lmfao

[tepid fiber]

Like how petty are you

[pulsar minnow]

A lot of the conversations we have here are petty tbh

[ebon slate]

okay my bad baifeng can keep being a fucking douche

im so sorry baifeng

[tepid fiber]

You're the one acting like an asshole

[pulsar minnow]

I think the bottom line this is a good thing - the ripcord pull that is. Nothing more to it

[ebon slate]

im so sorry

im so so sorry baifeng

will you ever forgive me patron saint

[unborn glacier]

Some want to cling to their headcanon where everyone was wrong, sadly.

[tepid fiber]

<@&299347348847329281> Can Bluther at least get a mute, this is getting out of hand

Basically harassment at this point

[ebon slate]

lmfao yeah and chiming in with "copium lul" under everything I say is just rly cool

[unborn glacier]

Is he still going? Ive got him blocked

[ebon slate]

how the fuck is what they're doing not harassment

[tepid fiber]

Baifeng has you blocked and isn't responding to you

[ebon slate]

like the double standard is so fucking clear here

[tepid fiber]

Then be the less gaping asshole and shut up and drop it

[ebon slate]

am i meant to pretend

theyre not responding to me

please tell me

am i meant to literally dig my head in the dirt

[tepid fiber]

Just shut up 🙄

[ebon slate]

no really

[pulsar minnow]

Look man it's best to not take anything personal here it's a wow discord where we talk about the funny video game. Doubling down on an argument goes nowhere and makes the convo fun for nobody

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/covenant-cosmetic-restrictions-lifted-in-patch-9-1-5-323944

Anyone see this?

[upper pasture]

I think your meant to just drop it. Honestly at this point

[mossy meteor]

[unborn glacier]

Big poggies

[pulsar minnow]

I can finally fulfill my wish of wearing the Necrolord Unity Plate

[upper pasture]

Don’t let them get under you skin as much. Not everyone will agree with you

[tepid fiber]

Gonna be neat using a couple pieces together, ngl

[ebon slate]

I'm supposed to pretend baifeng literally only ever chiming in to say' copium' under multiple comments of mine is not them personally harassing me

[pulsar minnow]

So excited for this

it might work??

[mossy meteor]

hm

[tepid fiber]

The necrolord campaign mail matches really well with the tier 3 Blightguard mail

[mossy meteor]

my new biggest wish for 9.1.5 is path of ascension fix

[unborn glacier]

Man, seeing ThanosZovaal in full power, this hits a lot differently now

[mossy meteor]

make it easier, remove mechanics, dont care

[pulsar minnow]

I really hope they actually do something interesting with Zovaal. If they're making him thanos they might as well add all the things that made him cool. Like actual motives! And.... bear with me. Personality!

[upper pasture]

My 9.1.5 wish is that I could get all the time spent back leveling all those alts to have one of each armor type in each covenant for mobs

[mossy meteor]

eh

[upper pasture]

Thank goodness I didn’t farm all the anima and tokens yet haha

[mossy meteor]

i leveled 1 cloth, 3 plate, 2 leather

[tepid fiber]

My 9.1.5 wish is for more goblin-related material but 🤷

[cunning fossil]

Facts, but still

[mossy meteor]

sadly the leather bois are NF because druid and monk

[tepid fiber]

Kyrian monk is pretty popular

[upper pasture]

And mage tower. I wanna experience ittttt 😂

[tepid fiber]

And venthyr druids are SAVAGE in pvp

[mossy meteor]

yeah but monk is my ~main~

[upper pasture]

Change the rewards for all I care but let me do it

[mossy meteor]

and i went NF because its the first char i leveled

[deep pawn]

Most monks are Necro or Kyrian right now except some Venthyr mistweaver

[mossy meteor]

and i wanted to see the ysera story asap

didnt care too much about the other cov's

[cunning fossil]

Wait what U miss

[mossy meteor]

i dont care about performance

[cunning fossil]

Y'all are wierd Night Fae Monk is the real shit

[upper pasture]

I didn’t play from post launch WoD to end of BfA

[mossy meteor]

i cared about the story

[unborn glacier]

MOAR PANDAS!

[tepid fiber]

Meh, then they'd have to start including more of the limited-time only materials which just trivializes it for all of the people who actually did that content

[unborn glacier]

[cunning fossil]

Ngl all the races need mors

Like bruh look at some of them

[deep pawn]

My monk is fae cause faeline is best ability

[mossy meteor]

it is

[tepid fiber]

I'd say all of the least-played races deserve more attention

[mossy meteor]

it looks cool

[deep pawn]

Glad I can heal without feeling like I don't have a covenant ability if I want to heal

[upper pasture]

Naw, just make the rewards some Mog or something (not the skins or recoiled) and achievements

[unborn glacier]

Soooooooooo, Pandas :>

[tepid fiber]

And elves should have more taken from them out of spite

[cunning fossil]

I would like Worgen Tails

[mossy meteor]

i spammed a lot of m0s in the first 2 weeks

[cunning fossil]

Or a Scley Race

Cuz I want to be Sethrak

[unborn glacier]

B I G T R U E

[cunning fossil]

Like just gimme

[mossy meteor]

faeline stomp + one trinket that healed

most fun i've had

[deep pawn]

Faeline feels so bad on mistweaver

[ebon slate]

still surprised they never did tuskarrs just as a faction neutral reskin of pandas as an allied race

[deep pawn]

Can't use it for dps cause mana cost

[upper pasture]

Can we all agree that NF paladins feels bad?

[mossy meteor]

it is

NF paladin is weird

NF plate was the hardest choice for me

i didnt know what class to go there

[deep pawn]

Blessings could be cool except they never were good enough

[upper pasture]

I leveled a second DK in there

[mossy meteor]

like, 9.1 fury warrior NF is absolute but i play prot

[deep pawn]

My dk is fae cause death's due is pretty

[mossy meteor]

DK feels eh-eh

[tepid fiber]

NF warrior has a really good spot for it competitively

[mossy meteor]

and i went venthyr as bdk

[ebon slate]

it was in 9.0 too but people like pressing condemn

[mossy meteor]

but now that restrictions are gone

[cunning fossil]

Stop slandering

[deep pawn]

I haven't played my dk much cause you try raiding this tier as a non Necro dk haha

[mossy meteor]

i'll probably just switch the dk

[cunning fossil]

I like helping people

I will hurt you

[mossy meteor]

i raided fine was venthyr bdk

[unborn glacier]

Hurt me harder, Mommy

UwU

[mossy meteor]

killed heroic sire a bunch of times, pugs included

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[deep pawn]

I said this tier

[pulsar minnow]

I can finally be the incarnation of speed as Night Fae while dripping

[mossy meteor]

but this was late into the tier

[ebon slate]

i actually covenant swapped my druid to kyrian cause their legendary looked fun

[upper pasture]

I mean y’all can play it’s but blessing of seasons is weird af

[cunning fossil]

I forgot what IS their lego?

[deep pawn]

People would likely actually kick a non Necro dk this tier sadly

[ebon slate]

+in stat based on your partners covenant

[tepid fiber]

Then you play with other people

[upper pasture]

But then complain about grippy hands?

[mossy meteor]

unholy probably

[ebon slate]

both you and your partner get a stat and the stat is doubled with you empower the bond

and its like a good chunk of stat too

[mossy meteor]

but i dont like how unholy works

[upper pasture]

Symbiosis or whatever

[mossy meteor]

and venthyr frost is BiS

but only if you play breath build

[deep pawn]

I just know most people just assume the DKs they invite to SoD will be able to gather the adds

[cunning fossil]

Two handed is better

Lamos. Take the L

[unborn glacier]

The least fun build

[mossy meteor]

if you're talking about this tier then idk

i never set foot in SoD

outside of ptr

not even lfr

[unborn glacier]

Frost DK is def the spec I play for fun

2H Oblit build FTW

[mossy meteor]

i just feel like i suck horribly as dps dk

i die a lot

even in open world

[ebon slate]

I predicted frost dk would be good in 9.1 based on literally nothing and then nothing happened

[cunning fossil]

1 Handers are weak because they are half as good as 2 handers individually

[mossy meteor]

maybe its just being a tank

[deep pawn]

One day they'll somehow balance 2h frost to be better

[mossy meteor]

like, bdk, i pull half of the bears in korthia

[cunning fossil]

It doesn't need to be bettwe

Tbf

Just should be a viable alternative

[deep pawn]

Sorry, not massively behind.

[ebon slate]

are there no situations where 2h is better?

[unborn glacier]

Oblit talent build needs to be buffed to be in line with the BoS build

[deep pawn]

Currently no.

Even oblit you prefer dual wield

I think in single target you'll drop 15 ilvls on weapon to dual wield, more in any aoe situation

[unborn glacier]

No

Oblit scales off 2H better

[ebon slate]

a lot of the times with these things people lose scope of like the fact that there are varying combat situations and things can look bad on a 5 minute sim but then perform differently in practice and with better analysis

[cunning fossil]

It's just about practice

If you play something alot you're bound to play better with it

Even if it ain't great

[deep pawn]

According to bicepspump for Frost DK on the Obliteration build "You generally need a significant ilvl difference for a 2H weapon to be better than dual-wielding, something like 15 or 20 ilvls. The difference is even greater in AoE scenarios."

[cunning fossil]

He's wrong

Two Hander supremacy

[strange falcon]

Of all people i didnt think tiridan would be the one huffing copium,

[tepid fiber]

Ah, yes, because liking or being optimistic or positive over something means you're coping and lying to yourself

🙄

[ebon slate]

https://youtu.be/cNHu22M1kvw?t=722

[storm marsh]

I have no idea if it's been posted already, but Void Elf hairstyles with tentacles will get an option to hide the tentacles 😁

Does anyone know if we will be able to use other covenant tmog even if we never swapped covenants?

I am not sure if I understood it right

[tepid fiber]

Pretty sure it means you'll get to use the appearances you've earned. If you got Kyrian plate and never earned Necrolord plate, I doubt you'll be able to wear the Necrolord plate

[cunning fossil]

Yeah u need to earn it

It'll just be acc wide now

[tropic trail]

Just make alts for all covenants, you're set for transmogs

[deep pawn]

Eh, I'll probably do it on just one char of each armor type now except for a couple alts that are more established

[storm marsh]

Oh okay thanks. I thought it only worked for ppl who switched or will switch covenants, but this is even better. I know I can farm cloth sets on my alts on other covenants now 😊

[uncut vault]

It’s pretty much just taking off the “requires x covenant” tag on all the cosmetics

[cosmic beacon]

Which should have never been a thing to begin with

Venthyr two handed swords look so nice

[random musk]

Bruh does necrolord not have 1h sword mog?

[pulsar minnow]

they do

its the one from questing

[slender quest]

I heard in a spanish comm discord that there was a "new class" datamined? Something about "survivor" . Is this legit ?

[pulsar minnow]

Supposedly it’s leftover stuff from exiles reach

At least that’s what I can tell from a quick Google search

[tepid fiber]

It's a scrapped system from where you'd pick your class on the island, and before that you're just a survivor. But yeah, like Tiridan said it was just left over

[slender quest]

ah okay. damn , got hyped for nothing -.-

[tepid fiber]

Yep. Hype is a horrible disease to catch

[dense plover]

^^^

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645738078920507395/881279552561758258/unknown.png

[cunning fossil]

Well yes

How else would you make them give us what we want?

Blackmail is a very powerful tool

[deep pawn]

Not every covenant got something for every type. Venthyr/Fae for example their 1h agi weapons are claws, Necrolords get Axes.

Necrolord casters get dagger and mace.

[upper pasture]

Didn’t they also get a staff and offhand books?

[deep pawn]

I meant to just say what 1handers they get

the necrolord off hand is a crystal more

[tepid fiber]

Nope

[silent urchin]

it's typically on thursdays

[tepid fiber]

Pretty sure there will also be a news update, and an update to the channel name

[grim canyon]

it can also happen on tuesdays too, but it is less likely since I feel doing that will definitly take users off from the weekly reset

[unborn glacier]

Always on Tuesdays/Wednesday*

[grim canyon]

Granted though, the chances of it occuring this tuesday would be pretty unwise for the aforementioned reason, though equally wise to get more time in for it

[uncut vault]

First builds of a patch are usually not as consistent as normal builds, they’ve happened all days of the week

Here’s hoping it’s earlier rather than later

[deep pawn]

Slight chance of today, but minimal. Wednesday or Thursday most likely

[left arch]

What’s expected in the patch? It anyone knows

I know there is new customizations for some races coming

[mossy meteor]

lots of changes

[left arch]

Awesome ;00

[grim canyon]

Don't expect many major stuff though.

.5 patches are more commonly just full of quality-of-life adjustments for it's prior patches

Though tbh, the one thing that's intresting is that there hasnt been much (if any) info about the new privacy changes/new ways to report

[slender plover]

Finaly the maw intro will be skippable 😁

[ancient jasper]

Nope

Expect it Wednesday or Thursday some time

[coral hull]

Why expect it other days as opposed to today?

[tepid fiber]

Because those are the days that PTRs traditionally launch

[deep pawn]

Tuesday is usually reserved for reset maintenance and finalizing internal builds I think.

Just their typical work flow

[mossy meteor]

no vendor build meaning no build

vendor build maybe tomorrow

[dense plover]

^^^

this is what i wanted to say earlier

we wont get ptr without a vendor or test build of some kind

at least, its very unlikely

[strange falcon]

@uncut vault why do you still have twitter

[uncut vault]

Cause I have friends there? Lol

[strange falcon]

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[grim canyon]

Yea...if i were to guess, they unsurprisingly ran into issues on their current candidate build

I wouldnt hold your breath for a release tomorrow

[sullen dawn]

lots of people use twitter...

[ancient jasper]

@grim canyon Why do you think no build tomorrow?

[grim canyon]

Mainly because there is no sign of even a submission build coming today

And it would be insanely idiotic to just put it straight to ptr, as thats just asking for ppl to complain

[unborn glacier]

Absolute hellscape

[mossy meteor]

neat

build #40k

[upper lantern]

what does that mean?

[silent urchin]

Nothing

[left arch]

meme

[uncut vault]

baited me with a PTR update

[deep pawn]

I want a build!

[visual vortex]

Excuse me what you is Sylvanas currently doing

Like is she just chilling? Is she in a raid now?

[left arch]

think so

[ancient jasper]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/3p/3PD9H26JV28M1630532295169.jpg

Sweet they are adding Black/White 😄

[pulsar minnow]

At this point I hope they also add an option to either flag your elf as a Void or High Elf. I don’t see why not, unless there’s technical limitations.

[tepid fiber]

Because they're Void elves, not high elves. If you wanna change it to something else, download an RP frames addon like Total RP 3. You could change your name to Walnut Basket and make your race Meat Popsicle if you really wanted to

[visual vortex]

Oh so void elves couldn’t be ginger before?

[pulsar minnow]

Bro they’re literally High Elves at this point.

I don’t see why not add the option to make the distinction

[tepid fiber]

You can do it yourself with an RP addon, because otherwise they're a faction of former blood elves that are now tied to the Void

So, void elves

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but with the appearances we have now they’re also Quel’dorei. There’s even OG High Elves in the Void Elf starting zone. Maybe just make an overall encompassing term that isn’t just Void or High Elf? Silver Covenant maybe?

[tepid fiber]

You can call it whatever you want with an RP addon 🤷

The tools for additional customization and personal flavor exist for you to utilize

By default, they're already the Ren'dorei

[pulsar minnow]

I still don’t see why this couldn’t just be in the game baseline?

[tepid fiber]

Because their baseline is that they're the Ren'dorei, "Children of the Void," a race of Void-infused elves that are affiliated with the Alliance

[pulsar minnow]

Cool but why not add the option for those who look like high elves to be called high elves?

[mossy meteor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ptr-915-development-notes/1082616

cats out of the bag

[deep pawn]

Build would happen as I give up

[pulsar minnow]

Really neat change there

You don’t need to complete the legionfall campaign now in order to get flying class mounts

[unborn glacier]

The "High Elves" in the Velf starting zone are literally there to become the Rendorei x3

[unborn glacier]

No

[ancient jasper]

Players now only need to complete the achievement Breaching the Tomb on one character per account to begin the Legion class mount quests on the Broken Shore. Each character must still complete their class hall campaign, complete quests, and recruit their final order hall champion.

Damn that's gotta be on my top 5 favorite things right there

[unborn glacier]

HOLY FUCK MY AOTW!

BM AoE gonna be better now

[grim canyon]

Huh, guess I might be wrong on it being low chance of coming thursday

[deep pawn]

Sounds like everything is square root scaling so more mobs reduces damage gains fast

[tepid fiber]

Yeah but it's still damage where there was none

[deep pawn]

Just not what people are dreaming of

They won't enjoy doing 6k to 5 mobs and 7k to 12 haha

[tepid fiber]

It's better than only doing 6k to 5 with 7 untouched

[deep pawn]

this won't make me pull a lot more as a tank

[tepid fiber]

Well not every change is designed for you 🤷

[dense plover]

"Art

Added weather effects in Stormwind and Orgrimmar.

"

actually a massive change

[unborn glacier]

Beat ya to it

[dense plover]

Timewalking Dungeons: Black Rook Hold, Eye of Azshara, Darkheart Thicket, Vault of the Wardens, Neltharion’s Lair, and Court of Stars.

legion dalaran isnt included!!!!

HUZZAH

theyre not total morons

Players now only need to complete the achievement Breaching the Tomb on one character per account to begin the Legion class mount quests on the Broken Shore. Each character must still complete their class hall campaign, complete quests, and recruit their final order hall champion.

this is LONG overdue

ALL OF THE THREADS CHANGES

FINALLY

Threads of Fate

Tal-Inara now offers a Torghast, Tower of the Damned daily quest for experience and Soul Ash.
Tal-Inara now offers a PvP Battlegrounds daily quest for experience and gear.
Threads of Fate Bonus Objectives are now significantly shorter and award Renown.
Threads of Fate Zone Objectives now reward higher item level gear and anima.

still wish they would increase the xp from bonus objectives and zone objectives

also i hope just running torghast gives xp

[cunning fossil]

Oh my God finally

YO we get WEATHER in stormwind??

CARVE NO CAP

OH GOD YEAH

Timeworn Keystones (This feature will be available in a later PTR build)
While Legion Timewalking is active, players can speak to Ta’hsup in Oribos to acquire a Timeworn Keystone, allowing access to max-level, Mythic+ difficulty for the 6 Legion dungeons.
Legion Mythic+ dungeons accessed in this way have their own set of affixes, reward loot of the same item level as Shadowlands Mythic+ dungeons, and count toward weekly Great Vault reward options.
Items acquired from Legion Mythic+ dungeons can be upgraded with Valor points, but will not appear in the Great Vault.

This is cool

imagine if the new BiS is a Legion Trinket or something]

NO weapons, since this was during legion

[sturdy bane]

There would be a lot of complaints if the legion m+ would give us our bis trinkets. Since that would be locked behind a 2 month or so schedule

[cunning fossil]

Maybe for a few

If they;'re cool enough I don't think I'd care

personally ofc

[sturdy bane]

Same here

[deep pawn]

the Auto Attack ring is gonna be a must have probably

[strange falcon]

Both maw of souls and halls of valor are missing,as well as the 2 patch dungeons

[strange falcon]

They never were,just never had an incentive to act like they arent

[vernal juniper]

is COS m+?

cause you know, the 2 pieces bonus set upgradable to SL ilvl ❤️

[strange falcon]

says in my replied comment it is

[vernal juniper]

yeah but it is great, they will use these TW to bring old afflixes or tests new ones

[sullen dawn]

weather is a system they should look at in general

it's actually gotten significantly worse over time

i remember when weather was first introduced (vanilla, tbc?) it was really strong and consistent

also phasing seems to break/glitch it

[royal coral]

Weather is good in the Shadowlands but imo it does not proc enough

Hopefully now it'll snow in Orgri/SW

[upper lantern]

wow I woke up to more high elf options and aoe cap removed? 😮

[slender quest]

the fact that blizzard doesn't mention anything about a story in 9.1.5 in their blue post does it mean we can take this as a "confirmed the story doesn't continue in 9.1.5" ?

[unborn glacier]

Snow in org? XD

[royal coral]

Why not ! #Jaina

[tropic trail]

today gamers

i can feel it

..i felt it yesterday and tuesday too

but yknow

[grim canyon]

I mean the story didnt continue in 9.0.5 either, so yea

Story has almost never been part of a .5 patch afaik

[slender quest]

not true

8.1.5 had story

8.2.5 had a lot

[grim canyon]

Hence the almost part, but the 9.0.5 part still stands

[pulsar minnow]

9.0.5 is more of the exception in this case

[grim canyon]

9.1.5 will likely follow, as 9.1.5 seems more like 9.0.5 then 8.2.5 (QOL changes rather then story driven)

As in my eyes, doing anything major to the story would constitute a .1 increase almost instantly

[unborn glacier]

Yup

[vernal juniper]

9.1.5 could be the big patch of the exp, it will probably the last big .5 patch 9.2.5 will be the final patch and 9.2 the last tier looking at the timeline

[broken kraken]

you dont think a 9.3 will happen?

[vernal juniper]

too late

I don't think they can do a 3 year expansion expecially now with FF14 shining

they are already doing the "release content" on alts this usually means "end is not so far".

Expecting new expansion mhm november 2022

[tepid fiber]

Got any official release notes, blue posts, or dev team statements to corroborate your speculation or are you just assuming

[vernal juniper]

Assuming ofcourse

I think if they ending in doing a 3 years expansion it is only in a case of a big refresh of the game.

[tepid fiber]

There were also numerous internal and external factors that slogged down the regular development cycle, so I think expecting a longer timetable isn't unreasonable

[mossy meteor]

november 2022 xpac release lol

i doubt it

early 2023 at the earliest

[vernal juniper]

Don't think so with the competition they have right now, it is never been so competite with a lot of players going in FF14 and with the release of others MMo like new World.

[mossy meteor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

new world release means nothing

post-release is more important

[left arch]

New world looked lame imo

[mossy meteor]

how will the playerbase adjust after a month-two

[vernal juniper]

doing 2 more 12 months tiers in this time with ff14 shining will be an economical massacre for them, I don't think it will ever happen.

[tepid fiber]

The don't necessarily have to do 2 more 12 month tiers. They could just stick to the regular schedule as it was before SL for the remainder of the expansion

[mossy meteor]

if anything, can see alpha starting in mid-late summer

assuming they announce it at blizzconline

which is in february

[left arch]

Yeah but they are two very different games, a lot of people who leave wow always come back (speaking as one of them). And also like you said yourself, you’re just assuming

[tepid fiber]

We won't know without official statements from devs and blueposts what's going to happen as far as scheduling, and treating speculation and assumptions as fact is a massive disservice via setting yourself up for disappointment at being wrong

[grim canyon]

In all honesty IF blizz releases 9.2 and .3 on time, and avoid at all costs another year long patch cycle, theyll probably be ok

[left arch]

But even if they didn’t, it truly wouldn’t matter in the long run

[tepid fiber]

Myself and others that I know have tried a few other games--and there's nothing wrong with playing WoW alongside something else. I myself balance between WoW, STO, GW2, and EVE because there isn't one that scratches every itch I have over MMOs

[grim canyon]

Exactly this ^^

Wow specifically has an aura to it that always draws people back to it

[tepid fiber]

I tried FFXIV out too, and I respect FF as a franchise, but I'm just not into jrpgs so it doesn't work for me

[left arch]

I’ve tried many MMOs and there’s nothing as good as it imo. It’s probably the only MMO I play

[vernal juniper]

yes but the majority will just freeze for saving money.

[left arch]

Also even if something bad did happen, people will always play WoW. No matter what

[grim canyon]

^^ exactly

If wows lasted this long, itll likely survive whats going on now

[left arch]

I’m pretty sure they’ve had worse numbers in the past

[tepid fiber]

I wouldn't say the majority. Perhaps the vocal majority that has to write out a paragraph on the forums explaining why they're unsubbing every patch--but if enough were leaving the game to cause it to go under financially then it still wouldn't be posting positive gains in Q reports

[grim canyon]

It would take something monumental to topple it and the company

[tepid fiber]

As it stands, WoW still makes a substantial profit for Blizzard

[grim canyon]

Especislly now that they have 3 different wow services

Classic Era, Classic, and Retail

And soon to be a 4th for wrath

[tepid fiber]

Even with the recent controversy, all it's doing is draining the swamp and making things better by removing people that have been the root cause of some of the major issues

[left arch]

I mean sure wow may not be an award winning MMO but, it will always have good popularity

[tepid fiber]

It's been around for almost 17 years for a reason

[grim canyon]

If anything, the lawsuits just a drip in the pan, just like it has been for every other company that got lawsuits

[tepid fiber]

Not many MMOs or even games in general can boast that kind of a track record

[left arch]

I’ve noticed it’s always us 3 ‘schooling’ people

[grim canyon]

Im always active on discord, I just happened to randomly hop into this discussion xD

[tepid fiber]

I just try to be a voice of reason but get accused of huffing aerosoled copium and being a Blizzard shill

[grim canyon]

Killing time waiting for my new monitor to arrive

[left arch]

This isn’t really related to the topic but - I just don’t understand why people play WoW and just shit talk it relentlessly

[grim canyon]

clout obv

[tepid fiber]

I work from home most days and it's a really low-involvement job so I've got plenty of time to burn

[grim canyon]

Same reason ppl post paragraphs on why they are leaving

[left arch]

Like I’ve seen so many people in this server and others just being so negative about the game but yet they play it

[grim canyon]

Purely for attention and fame

[tepid fiber]

Clout, bandwagoning, and it's easier to complain VS provide constructive criticism. Not to mention it's not very popular to provide positive feedback for things that are actually good

[left arch]

And also people getting annoyed because xyz isn’t implemented or whatever it may be. Silly and annoying

[grim canyon]

Id say there is a reason blizz ofteb doesnt listen to us

[tepid fiber]

Like I show support for the things and systems that I like so that there's more of it, instead of just complaining about what I don't like because someone else probably does 🤷

[grim canyon]

As were like a bunch of screaming children

[tepid fiber]

Mostly because gamers are the worst thing about gaming

Fuck that's practically my catchphrase

[left arch]

Only criticism I have for WoW

Is

Gimme murloc

[grim canyon]

yes

[left arch]

In another server, someone was saying ogres and all these other races were gonna become playable

And I just

me no want

[tepid fiber]

Well, ogres have been in the works as being playable since before vanilla and even afterwards. There's a reason they have their own animation rigs and dances, and they've been a part of the Horde from the getgo alongside having a population large enough to support being playable

[left arch]

NOOOO

ME WANT MURLOC

[unborn glacier]

Sadly no

[uncut vault]

We dont really know the context of actual sub numbers right now, but MAU's compared to WoD are down by inference

MAU's right now are the same as during the latter year of WoD, and at that time Overwatch was not yet a thing which now accounts for a good amount of them

[cunning fossil]

PTR Today??

[storm marsh]

was there a vendor build?

[left arch]

I think so, someone said today or tomorrow

[unborn glacier]

Lol was it someone from blizz?

[tepid fiber]

Yeah--"someone" and a blue post are two completely different beasts

[storm marsh]

Well, it's thursday. It can go up tomorrow, but I doubt it.

[unborn glacier]

It is supposed to go live on ptr this week

[plain violet]

Seem maybe a bit late for it.

[left arch]

don’t shoot the messenger

Am just going off very popular word rn

[uncut vault]

https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1433513118097805342?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

The PTR servers have gone down!

#Shadowlands
#Warcraft https://t.co/fgs3ZDqMCf

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 2, 2021, 7:32 PM

seems to be the right word 😛

[plain violet]

Oh wow.

The GIF is fitting.

[left arch]

I said something right for once

[storm marsh]

hoooooray

gimme customizations

[deep pawn]

We've already seen most of them

I may change my nightborne a little, but I play a void elf, not a high elf

[storm marsh]

i meant, testing them myself

[plain violet]

And seeing the new druid travel forms.
Congrats Germanic Nordic !

[deep pawn]

This first build is kinda small, not going to have much of what I want to test

[plain violet]

What do you want to test ?

[deep pawn]

Legion m+, covenant swapping, uncapped aoe.

Maybe the new levelling methods

[plain violet]

I understand ! Uncapped AOE is pretty cool.

[strange falcon]

*reworked aoe cap
they're not full-on removing the change

instead of doing 0 dmg past 5 targets,now you do reduced dmg past 5 targets

[plain violet]

You're right for the details. 😁

Actually even reduced damage above 5 targets is a nice idea for as a tradeoff.

Well let's say that was something I was already more or less used to.

[mossy meteor]

First builds are always bare bones

9.1 first build had korthia and a few dailies

Nothing else

No assaults, tormentors, archivist rep

One rare mob (that didn't drop any loot at all), no treasures

[left arch]

thankie c:

[plain violet]

Maybe the 0.5 will be a bit more fleshed out as a first build, but you're right.

[plain violet]

You're welcome. :)

[royal coral]

almost friday and still no PTR

[mossy meteor]

It's coming @royal coral

[unborn glacier]

Literally being implemented

[mossy meteor]

Realms are down

[royal coral]

Oh nice

[plain violet]

Patience, patience... the colors variations, nice idea (well that the least we can have, to slightly change our forms)

[royal coral]

No

[plain violet]

No, just the PTR ones.

[left arch]

ptr is out

[grim canyon]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1433530326232428573

Soon ™️

[silent urchin]

not getting a new build yet from the launcher

wow.tools doesn't have one either

[grim canyon]

wow.tools would see it first

As its going directly to the cdn

Fingers crossed things go live today

[silent urchin]

apparently wowhead has it

[vernal juniper]

BIt's time for the first Patch 9.1.5 PTR build. We're starting off with the preamble which includes the removal of spit emotes, solo island expeditions, many new global strings and more!onus Event: Timewalking

spit till you can :/

[silent urchin]

Datamining stream is up, https://www.twitch.tv/wowhead

[vernal juniper]

is that a pet?

https://i.imgur.com/H9VEFXt.png

lol

[silent urchin]

probably a toy? Seems like a reference to rocknroll racers based off the file name

[plain violet]

So our forms are :

Dreadbat.
Runestag.
Ardenmoth.
Raven.
For druids !

[strange falcon]

runestag will be good

[silent urchin]

7 new store mounts

this'll go down well

[vernal juniper]

nah

that is their assumption

[left arch]

have they been released yet?

[grim canyon]

not yet

[silent urchin]

this was a comment by wowhead staff on twitch based off stuff they saw in files

that's about all I know

[plain violet]

Runestag will be cool, but waiting for the colors etc, of course.
The raven could be really nice too.

[storm marsh]

is the ptr build available on launcher or? it still says up to date on mine 9.1.0

tried checking for updates

[left arch]

idk, i tried to launch it but theres no realms it says

[storm marsh]

i mean, is it available to download

[silent urchin]

Not showing up for me yet

[left arch]

yea me either

[grim canyon]

It is not available yet, but will be soon

Ref: https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1433530326232428573

[cunning fossil]

@tepid fiber https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-5-ptr-datamined-class-and-spell-changes-for-build-39977-necrolord-324021

POG

Death Chakram Throw a deadly chakram at your current target that will rapidly deal (31.6% of Attack power) Shadow damage 7 times, bouncing to other targets if they are nearby. Enemies struck by your Death Chakram take 3% more Physical damage from you and your pet for 10 sec.
Each time the chakram deals damage, its damage is increased by 15% and you generate 3 Focus.
NEW Effect #5 Apply Aura: Mod Damage From Caster % Modifies Buff Duration
Value: 10
NEW Effect #6 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster Pet % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: 10
NEW Effect #7 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster % Modifies Damage/Healing Done

OMEGA POG

I can use it in the opener and feel hella good

[opaque pewter]

I didn't check anything yet, but I suspect the aoe cap change to be mostly something that helps the old raid farmers more, rather than something that will change the meta drastically

[cunning fossil]

it's actually useful in AoE

ooh Flayed Shot got buffed too

hell yeah

OMG the BUFFS

[royal coral]

Nice xmog

[willow gust]

revert

[strange falcon]

man talk about coincidence,they really cant hold themselves still for 5minutes
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1032548.jpg https://twitter.com/maximum/status/1433240337535823872

max (@maximum)

dude all we had to do for the last like 3-4 years is play ff for like ~45 days for them to fix the game lmao

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[silent urchin]

Hmm, authenticator required to post M+ ads

I wonder if that will actually cut down much on the spam

Will make it slightly more tedious I guess? But if they were already getting level 60 characters I can't imagine adding an auth app is much more trouble

[strange falcon]

i dont think so

[left arch]

is the bottom left the new transmog set?

[strange falcon]

yes

[royal coral]

a new transmog set designed for casters, again ^^

[left arch]

is v pretty imo

[vernal juniper]

NEW LFG_AUTHENTICATOR_BUTTON_MYTHIC_PLUS_TOOLTIP
|cffff0000You can't post a Mythic+ group without a keystone until you secure your account with the Blizzard Authenticator|r|n|cff1eff00<Click for more info>|r

NEW LFG_AUTHENTICATOR_BUTTON_MYTHIC_PLUS_TOOLTIP
|cffff0000You can't post a Mythic+ group without a keystone until you secure your account with the Blizzard Authenticator|r|n|cff1eff00<Click for more info>|r

f**k the spammers

in the finder

[grim canyon]

It wont stop them for long tbh

[royal coral]

Yeah, they always find a way to come back

[grim canyon]

Exactly

Thisll maybe last a day or two until they have a refined bypass

[uncut lintel]

o-o

[vernal juniper]

well they need a virtual phone number

for every account

I don't think you can use 1 authenticator for more accounts

[grim canyon]

Thats not really hard to get tbh

Pretty sure there's been automated scripts for virtual phone #'s for years now

[strange falcon]

legit wont do anything, they'll just spam anyway

they can just buy m+ carries themselves or use their main

[uncut lintel]

i dont want ppl to stop selling boosts for the game as im not a raider and i buy aotc every 2 yrs but the spam is annoying when ur trying to do actual content as ive seen alot of it when i still played awhile ago

everytime u can report one, 10 more pop up so

[vernal juniper]

I hate the spam in trade

[royal coral]

Yeah the spam is hard when you have 2 real groups and 25 boosts (saw this once a tuesday)

[strange falcon]

nothing at all is going to change,unless blizzard actually admits they cant only care about botters money

and actually bans them efficiently,same for spammers

[vernal juniper]

99% of the spammers in the LFR in EU idk NA are from websites for real currency

[silent urchin]

Does the authenticator actually require a phone number? You can simulate apps on desktop fairly easily these days, so they could do it that way if it doesn't

[vernal juniper]

https://i.imgur.com/doBvWqU.png https://i.imgur.com/H1r5uTJ.png and going on

[royal coral]

I have more than 150 ppl in my blacklist with the global ignore list addon, and it grows every day... x)

And I agree it won't stop anything, unless Blizzard goes hard with them (instant ban)

[silent urchin]

builds out on launcher

sounded like they said servers up on stream

[left arch]

am downloading now

[silent urchin]

ok servers aren't up

[mossy meteor]

it's yuge

[left arch]

[mossy meteor]

i go on my vacation tomorrow

lol

[royal coral]

Servers up

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/qvIwsFl.png 👀

baby murloc backpack

No model or anything

[left arch]

not sure if thats a bug bug but

i typically switch to items, scroll the sets list, etc and it fixes it when i pop back in

[silent urchin]

Nah this one is just not there, others load fine

[left arch]

ohhh okie

[mossy meteor]

banger

my goodness

what the hell is this face

[cunning fossil]

sweet

[silent urchin]

Is it new that things that are "already known" have greyed out icons?

hmm, doesn't seem to apply to everything. Seems to affect the individual heirlooms but not the new maps

[mossy meteor]

new TW toy

[silent urchin]

they mentioned at least one other on stream

[mossy meteor]

im going through all of them

[silent urchin]

Although that's the only one that shows up if you search for that vendor name

[mossy meteor]

Covenant toy

#2

[silent urchin]

Random soulshape seems to be in

[mossy meteor]

3

[silent urchin]

there's a new "What if I can't decide?" option on the crow

[mossy meteor]

4

[cunning fossil]

AN ILLUSION WHAT ARE YOU HIDING

[mossy meteor]

is this new or not

it has no source

[cunning fossil]

DOes the Winter Queen step on me?

[mossy meteor]

oh the post raid skybox is in

[silent urchin]

Random soulshape seems to be on initial cast, and not every single blink forward

[cunning fossil]

send ;o

F

[silent urchin]

Although if you take a taxi that doesn't break the buff, it re-randomises

https://i.imgur.com/zWIS96n.png nightfae toy wings

they sparkle a lot

and move in and out slightly

[mossy meteor]

hm weird

i lost my uh

i lost my appearances

[silent urchin]

I think you need to copy account data for that

[mossy meteor]

hm

[silent urchin]

but that seems to be really flakely

[mossy meteor]

it's not all appearances

but i bought some of the 9.0 kyrian appearances on live days ago

and they're not available on the ptr 🤔

let's see if copy account data works

[dense plover]

Yeah appearance data doesn’t always copy correctly

[mossy meteor]

ah it did

neat

[dense plover]

It’s been a problem for a while

Sometimes copy works, sometimes it doesn’t

[mossy meteor]

also the portable anima deposit quest is in

err

1k anima

[azure vine]

New Item Level upgrade UI

[willow gust]

@mossy meteor dis u have black kyrian set ? (From disciple of humility)

[mossy meteor]

nah

oof

4 x 500 anima

[cunning fossil]

for a minute I thought it was reforging

😦

[cunning fossil]

R u complaining?

[mossy meteor]

No?

I was confused why it happened

[unborn glacier]

Why shouldnt it?

[mossy meteor]

Because i thought 500 anima is the limit of elite world quests

And I'm way behind on renown

Hence, confusion

Not complaining

The improvements could be account wide, as i did get to 80 renown on another character

In which case - awesome

Also I checked, all elite WQs had 1k anima

Oh, they probably buffed all the 250 items to 500

Baseline

That's pretty awesome

[light compass]

This jaina/tyrande merge is weird

[unborn glacier]

?

[light compass]

https://mobile.twitter.com/stefmadarts/status/1433555626458697729?s=20

🎄stefmadarts 🎄 9.1 SPOILERS (@stefmadarts)

yes

Twitter · Sep 2, 2021, 10:21 PM

[unborn glacier]

Please tell me you don't think thats real...

[light compass]

Nah, but it looks so weird xd^^

[deep pawn]

Where's my necrolord or Kyrian themed travel forms blizzard. ARGH

I'm actually okay with requiring an authenticator to list groups haha

[deep pawn]

Did I miss a post about them making KSM account wide?

That seems pretty big

the achieve is but it doesn't unlock upgrades, pity

[tepid fiber]

You don't need an authenticator to list a group--you need an authenticator to provide custom text to the group listing. Otherwise you can only list the group under the dropdown menu selections

Why is everyone misinterpreting this it's nuts

[deep pawn]

cause of the way sites posted it

[tepid fiber]

And even in the article that mentions the authenticator addition, there's a cited blue post that elaborates on this

[deep pawn]

Blame the headline Archimitros posted

"New Looking for Group requirements on the patch 9.1.5 PTR will now require attaching an authenticator in order to create Mythic+ groups, and will not allow players to post groups which require Mythic+ or PvP ratings higher than their own."

[tepid fiber]

Maybe actually read the article instead of looking at the headline:

[deep pawn]

When there's this many things they're doing and 10+ articles, many many many people will skim the headlines and sublines.

[tepid fiber]

Or maybe read more than the thumbnail

[tepid fiber]

Yeah--and that's on y'all for not actually reading

[deep pawn]

More on a poorly worded subline.

[tepid fiber]

🙄

[deep pawn]

Group Finder Improvements - Accounts now require an attached Battle.net Authenticator to post custom text. is how mmo-c posted the same thing

[tepid fiber]

The correct information is provided, you're just choosing not to read it

[tropic trail]

I don't know if this change is to get rid of trolls, scammers or bots, but I don't feel like it's needed?

[tepid fiber]

It's not like it's even a long article

[tepid fiber]

It's to get rid of WTS groups in the LFG

[deep pawn]

It's 2021 and when Wowhead splits things into a million posts to get more clicks, forgive people not clicking EVERY article.

[tepid fiber]

Christ dude just accept that you didn't inform yourself correctly and were wrong

[tropic trail]

WoW token price drops to 20k

[deep pawn]

You asked this, I answered why. Sorry people don't have as much free time as you.

[tropic trail]

WTS groups are obvious WoW token bait. Get the gold, use the gold, sell the token

Stonks

So for this, it's a good change

The economy will suffer, though

[tepid fiber]

If your excuse is that you don't have 1 minute in your busy day to read something you're just excusing being willfully ignorant

[deep pawn]

You're kinda weird that you're that insistent people should click on every article that rightfully should have a single post nor can you see how the post could be confusing for many people who just read the front page to see.

[tepid fiber]

It's kinda weird that you choose to not fully inform yourself before spouting out erroneous hot takes

[tropic trail]

I'm not taking a side here, but Gumball is kinda right. If you're looking to discuss a topic, you should research it first

[tepid fiber]

Exactly. You made the conscious choice to not inform yourself on a topic via the information provided

[deep pawn]

And I made a statement because usually you can get the most pertinent info from the front page. Gumball corrected me, but they had to include, "Why is everyone misinterpreting it" and then is confused when I said why it could be that way. If gumball didn't always have to attack other people

[tepid fiber]

kek

Just wipe the pie off of your face and stand corrected, dude

[deep pawn]

Like I'm fine with being corrected, the initial post can be misleading on an overview, but to get mad that people don't read every post like they do is just silly.

[tropic trail]

He's kinda right too, Gumball. You have a superiority complex

[tepid fiber]

I have a superiority complex because I'm right and he's wrong?

[tropic trail]

No, because you feel the need to correct everyone, even when they're right

[tepid fiber]

If they're right I don't correct them. I correct misinformation and incorrect assumptions

[tropic trail]

Kyle is right, a thumbnail without spoilers should provide all info required

Link

Whatever

[tepid fiber]

So the thumbnail should include the entire article so as not to confuse people who choose to not read the article

Got it

[tropic trail]

No, but having a simple "This change fixes this in this way" instead of "Blizzard said they are making a huge blah blah blah open the link"

You should want to read the information if interested, not having it shoved down your throat

[tepid fiber]

And if you want to discuss a topic you should research the information provided instead of incorrectly assuming off of a headline and a thumbnail

[deep pawn]

I was wrong, yes, you just seem confused how anyone could misinterpret the wowhead post and assume that everyone wants to click every article. Like I've not once said that I was right about an authenticator is required to list all groups, just that a cursory glance at the many things the ptr has on wowhead's website can lead to that impression.

[tropic trail]

That's true. You should want to read that information based on the thumbnail and link, though

[tepid fiber]

I believe it's a significant enough headline to warrant reading the article

[deep pawn]

I'd argue that wowhead could post the information more clearly rather than maximizing clicks but that's feedback for another channel.

[tepid fiber]

Lmao alrighty

[tropic trail]

Honestly, I don't care. I haven't raided or done mythic plus in ages because the PvE community makes me lose brain cells in real time

I learned this info because you were talking about it

Kill the mobs in the boss room. Why is it so hecking hard?!

[tepid fiber]

Well, the correct information is provided. You can still list a group without an authenticator using the listing options provided, you just can't provide a custom listing without an authenticator

[tropic trail]

That sounds like gibberish but I'm glad I have an authenticator

Did it for the inventory space

[deep pawn]

And thank you for clarifying that for me.

I honestly did one on my computer since I got hacked and didn't want to deal with it again.

Hasn't happened since

Is this banner a new thing? I hope it's something for watching the MDI

[tropic trail]

If there's something I want for next expansion, it's reworked guild tabards

And tabards in general

It'd be cool to have asymmetrical tabards

Like a ripped bottom or an icon that's not symmetrical

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure the engine as it stands could handle that

[tropic trail]

Look at the tabard of the lightbringer. It has six fingers because it must be symmetrical

[tropic trail]

Then just make it blank and put a 3d piece on it

[deep pawn]

the way they create and chest artwork or model currently is mirrored. Armor included

[tropic trail]

That has worked with asymmetrical chests by now

[deep pawn]

I can't think of many asymmetrical chests at all.

[tropic trail]

Refer a Friend vest

It has a belt strap running from a shoulder to the waist

[deep pawn]

That's a single set that requires either lots of friends or a lot of money, probably why they went so far and beyond haha

glad to know it is possible

I'm looking through some of my chars and no sets they have are asymmetrical on the chest even ones with 3d parts haha

[strange falcon]

Always the paid sets have the most work put into them

[sullen dawn]

so it's pretty clear at this point that Elune is based off of Nyx right?

wouldn't be surpised if Zoval and Elune were the OG 'death titans' and their relationship was similar to Hades/Nyx

Nyx ^^

Interestingly, in greek lore Nyx is the great aunt of Hades, so Elune could potentially predade Zovall. Her 'bargain' was probably to leave the shadowlands, and she pissed of zoval

I think the other death pantheon members are 'lesser' or came after Elune and Zoval, who existed pre-first ones

[tepid fiber]

Eh. Surface similarities at best but it's already established that Elune is the Winter Queen's counterpart on the Pantheon of Life, removing her from the status of "Death Titan," and the two of them are balanced halves of a whole when it comes to the cycle of rebirth. Your theory would by association elevate the Winter Queen to the same level of power--which we've seen just isn't the case.

Elune isn't even a member of the Pantheon of Death

[storm marsh]

I hope these won't be class restricted. I want this recolor on my Shadow Priest desperately. Also hoping that the Tomb Mythic Priest set is purple this time since it's all yellow.

[strange falcon]

Looks cool in purple

[upper lantern]

That looks perfect for a void elf mage

[storm marsh]

void elf venthyr mage

arcane

[sullen dawn]

I think Elune is going to be more powerful than the winter queen - and that she is originally from the shadowlands

[tepid fiber]

Think all you want, but that's already contrary to lore already expanded upon ingame

[sullen dawn]

wow rude 😛

[tepid fiber]

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just stating a fact

[sullen dawn]

they haven't shown enough of her to be concrete about it either way

For example, Elune isn't necessarily part of the pantheon of life

[tepid fiber]

The Primus himself went on to elaborate about upon the relationship between the Winter Queen and Elune

[sullen dawn]

she could be a bridge between life and death i.e. balance

yes but not to great enough detail for blizz not to go in any direction they want with it

[tepid fiber]

He flat-out states she's her counterpart on the Pantheon of Life

You're speculating VS already stated canon 🤦

[sullen dawn]

perhaps right now - i just think elune originated in SL

doesnt mean she isnt in 'lifelands' right now

ah whatever

[tepid fiber]

Aight but don't be disappointed when stated lore contrary to your headcanon theory continues to develop and doesn't align with it

[tropic trail]

yo them shoes look goofy as hell

[left arch]

Aren’t elune and WQ related

Idk they’re both gods, both OP

[unborn glacier]

That'd just make Gold buying skyrocket xD

[unborn glacier]

No. The WQ and Elune together represent Life and Death, the eternal cycle, Balance.

[deep pawn]

That they are sisters means that the first ones are almost Ouranous and Gaea status and created everything else haha

[tepid fiber]

Well, the First Ones created the Eternal Ones

[deep pawn]

The only way two realms have the same counterpart that are canonically related means many powers were set up that way on purpose

Is that stated directly?

[tepid fiber]

Yeah

[deep pawn]

I had the impression the first ones were already gone before the eternal ones became self aware

[tepid fiber]

The First Ones ordered the universe (at least to the perspectives of the inhabitants of the Shadowlands) and even the various Eternals reference the First Ones as their makers

They're the folk that put the Eternal Ones to work

However, it's also shown that the Shadowlands and other realms existed before the arrival of the Eternal Ones as well--one example of this reference is when Marasmius mentions how he grew in Ardenweald before the Winter Queen ever arrived and planted the first groves

[unborn glacier]

Well, there is conflicting tales of the past

We have no idea whether Marasmius is telling the truth or not

[deep pawn]

And there's the 7th power too

[unborn glacier]

Thats the First Ones

[tepid fiber]

Personally, Marasmius strikes me as the type of "get off my lawn" tier old grumpy man that has no reason to lie

[deep pawn]

Nothing indicates the 7th is the first ones. The 7th was described as covetous

At this point it's likely the fulcrum or center of the universe is actually Azeorth cause of plot haha.

[unborn glacier]

There is still no clear indication which tale is correct. As we get two through lvling in Ardenweald.

[tepid fiber]

I think another reason I'm more inclined to listen to Marazmius's take on events is how much he demands and is granted respect by the Night Fae

Particularly when you first get him to work with you to open the mycelial network and his dialog with Zayhad--Zayhad's thanking and praising Marazmius while he's all "nah fuck you, this mortal showed me respect get off my lawn"

[unborn glacier]

The WQ demands and is granted more respect tho

[tepid fiber]

Well not so much the last part but you know what I mean

Well yeah--but that doesn't mean that he isn't older despite her being more powerful

[unborn glacier]

But its your exact argument. You're just bias in favor or Mara even tho the same argument can be made for the WQ. We have no evidence either way

[tepid fiber]

Other than all of the references to WQ showing up and planting the groves, but etc etc

[unborn glacier]

No? We're told the WQ created Ardenweald not that she just came and planted the Groves lol

[tepid fiber]

Wait one sec

"According to Marasmius, in the early days of Ardenweald, it was just him and the Winter Queen." Okay so I fudged up--they were around at the same time

[tropic trail]

when is 9.1.5 estimated

[dusty trellis]

I say 2 months

[unborn glacier]

Rumor is Nov 2nd do to the PTR Calander showing when the next TWing being then and it lasting two weeks

[tropic trail]

what the fuck

[unborn glacier]

Do you not know that PTR testing takes a while?

[tropic trail]

Its a minor patch

I'd understand a 3 months testing period for 9.2 but just a x.x.5 patch

[tepid fiber]

It not really that minor. There are dramatic systems changes and asset additions happening

[tropic trail]

yikes

[tepid fiber]

Just because it's a .5 patch doesn't mean that it doesn't have things that need to get thoroughly playtested. They're doing a major overhaul of numerous key systems

[unborn glacier]

Even 9.0.5 was a 1 month PTR

1.5 NEEDS 2 months minimum

[tepid fiber]

And 9.1.5 is going to be far more significant and require more testing than 9.0.5

[tropic trail]

idk mostly QoL up until now, the only thing that needs intensive playtesting is the legion m+ imo

[unborn glacier]

lmfao

[tepid fiber]

They have to ensure that all of the systems changes work as intended, and it's a rather extensive list

[unborn glacier]

You havent the slightest inkling of game development, my dude

[deep pawn]

11/2 is a week later than I want, but close to what I'd guess

It's not coming out before we're renown 80

[deep pawn]

Interesting

Transmog items work differently now

you have to right click to redeem them?

[upper pasture]

Hmmm?

It doesn’t work that if it’s BoE you have to equip it anymore?

[deep pawn]

No, you "learn" it like mounts

[upper pasture]

Oh odd

[deep pawn]

I guess it makes more sense than cosmetic items sitting in your bags and you vendor for 1c

[upper pasture]

Maybe this is a way to work in those white items or grey one day lol

One day 😭

[deep pawn]

I think it's the cosmetic tagged items only

only two toasts can be up at one time

Has a new animation and everything. It's ethereal lightning

barbershop chairs still crashing people haha

[deep pawn]

Further testing shows that ensemble items haven't changed. You get a bunch of messages in chat but no toasts.

Biggest thing of concern is that it removes all Korthia appearances from your collection haha

Unity too

ah, cause those appearances are saved to account data only after you sell the items

[deep pawn]

yeesh, 30k gold to fully upgrade an heirloom weapon

[strange falcon]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugz8witK3xJbvimslA94AaABCQ

funny clip tbh

[vernal juniper]

besides timewalking m+ which is old content since they are already done with different affixes do we have any new content in 9.1.5 at all is only old legion m+ with new affix and unlock covenant on alt (no new content)?

[strange falcon]

so far it's only quality of life and customization changes

and 3 datamined store bundles, like if we didnt have enough already
more will be revealed with the next ptr patch

[deep pawn]

x.x.5 patches are usually systems related

[vernal juniper]

hope so... or it will be another 4-6 months with no content

[deep pawn]

Oh if you have any hope of new raid or story content before February you were kidding yourself already

[strange falcon]

7.1.5 and 8.1.5 had trial of valor and crucible of storms respectively

[deep pawn]

I think both "minor raids" like that were panned pretty heavily and not done much, so why bother making anymore.

[vernal juniper]

nah i'm not talking about new raid, they can add the new dungeon m+, something like the bee rep

or other minor things to do

[strange falcon]

i dont think they had bad reception,
crucible was panned for being way too overtuned on mythic and too easy on other difficulties

trial of valor was reasonably liked,also it had the chosen title

[vernal juniper]

tazevesh m+ is a good timing for adding it

for example

[deep pawn]

they don't add the mega dungeons to the m+ rotation until the next season

[vernal juniper]

uhm you probably right, yeah another 6 months without anything to do Sadge, let it die.

[strange falcon]

tbh no one's forcing you to stay subbed to the game for the 6months

do/play something else then come back once you think theres content

[strange falcon]

i know this concept is very hard to understand for some folks(not saying its you) but its true

[deep pawn]

I mean it's the end of the year

[vernal juniper]

i know this concept is very hard to understand for some folks(not saying its you) but every time you "force" people at freezing you are losing a small % of players.

[deep pawn]

Based on the PTR calendar this patch comes out first week of November

[tepid fiber]

Do you have any official posts or development schedules to coincide with this or are you just assuming

[vernal juniper]

don't be a "know-it-all" break after break the online friend list is getting smaller and smaller, if you have no friends in game not my fault.

[tepid fiber]

???

You okay bud?

[deep pawn]

I mean it's not a huuuuge leap to know there won't be a new raid until after the new year.

[young latch]

dies waiting for them to make the witch hats year round

xD

[unborn glacier]

Has nothing to do with ptr tho

[unborn glacier]

Legion TWing is new content lol.

[deep pawn]

for two whole weeks

I was so considered a nightborne warrior until I saw how males hold shields in combat haha

[vernal juniper]

1 week of "new" content for an almost yearly event, I meant new repeatable content

[cunning fossil]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/new-hunter-pet-tames-in-patch-9-1-5-aquilons-corspeflies-and-gromits-324051

Finally :0

[deep pawn]

they're toads sadly

[cunning fossil]

So?

Oh I think I know where that's going to

Let me just say I give no damns

[deep pawn]

I mean they can't bloodlust. 😦

[cunning fossil]

Yeah that's what I thought

Again, Idc.

Might use em for PvP or when I don't need to be the Bloodlust bot. SV ftw

[deep pawn]

they just need to go back to being able to swap pet spec

[misty igloo]

People here that are on PTR and wanna run a M+ or Torghast?

[unborn glacier]

Yearly? Lol

Not eveb

[cunning fossil]

It'll be yearly I think

I mean, it'll probably be right up there with the trial of style

[upper pasture]

Yeah I saw someone did the math and to do all of them from there current max to the new max is gonna cost like 412k 😦

[cunning fossil]

Well yeah heirlooms have always been expenzive

[unborn glacier]

TWing is ever 4 weeks

[cunning fossil]

BUT you can always get upgrade tokens during seasonal events

So it's Legion -> BC -> Wrath -> Cata -> MoP -> WoD -> Legion.

Which is 6 months now right?

Since it's every 4 weaks

We will see it like

Twice a year then? XP

Ohhh did u think I thought it would only happen once a year?

Oh that's my bad. No I meant that it would be more than yearly lmai

[upper pasture]

Isn’t TW like every two weeks RN? I feel like it’s been more often but I could just be crazy lol

[cunning fossil]

Ngl time is warped for me

Rn

[vernal juniper]

2 times for year for example in 2020 was every 5 months with one less expansions in the rotation, maybe they will change the rotation over simply adding 1 to the rotation.

and I'm guessing m+ will be only for legion since they are already done with Legion they just to change affixes (as said is not really new content, just old one re-balanced)

you can face laugh react as you want, I'm guessing is too hard for you to open the in game calendar and do the math

[cunning fossil]

Yeah it do be math

We'll have it for like 2 weeks starting next year

Hopefully they may add the M+ thing to other dungeons

It'd be cool

Like imagine

The Botanica with Fortified, Bursting, and Spiteful

[vernal juniper]

sure they can but it will be more work, keep in mind Legion is already done

[cunning fossil]

[cunning fossil]

No no I understand! Just saying I hope they consider it. It'd be cool IMO

Because M+

Never gets new content tbh

[cunning fossil]

Also uhm. This is an extremely cancerous idea don't do this.

[vernal juniper]

I think they will use these m+ as test for affixes ideas

it will twice for year as now, so they have time for testings results

[unborn glacier]

November 2nd

[cunning fossil]

Oof

[cunning fossil]

Is the one after this one, or when it finally goes live?

[unborn glacier]

When it is likely to go live based on the Calander in PTR that marks the beginning of a TWing cycle and it lasts 2 weeks, not one

[cunning fossil]

This time around it will last 2 weeks

It will only last 1 the subsequent events it comes up

[deep pawn]

I mean first week of November is already gonna be considered late for some.

I want these changes yesterday frankly, but yeah, knowing covenant hopping requires renown 80 it won't be before that's unlocked

[upper pasture]

looks like on the live calendar TW is now every other 2/3 weeks alternating