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mossy meteor
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still 9.1.0 but hey

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for reference, live servers build is 39653

silent urchin
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I think it's just another hotfix rollup build

upper hatch
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I was thinking the same thing, but I don't feel like logging in to PTR to find out...

silent urchin
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it went to live on EU, so definitely just hotfix stuff

grim canyon
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Seems to have added a new warning for UK users (/run StaticPopup_Show("AADC_ALERT");)

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austere gazelle
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Mmm I understand how some bugs take ages to be fixed now

cunning fossil
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Lmao

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What the hell is the point of a QA team if they can't do half their job

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(I'm pinjing this on Blizz not the QAs

autumn steppe
# austere gazelle https://twitter.com/BlizzJess/status/1428023058489479171?s=19

I don't understand why she didn't leave at that time (when joining) if it collides with her mindset, then 😯.
This is internal process / "way of working". As long as you're warned and notified when you join, it's kinda part of your contract, so... you've accepted it. You've actually signed for it. (Putting that aside, wanting to set priorities through hierarchy in order to assess a bug or dig extra context for it before submitting it to the devs is understandable. The latter can work on new features in the mean time. That's basic: being notified at the good time, with the relevant info. Well... Management 🤢)

I don't know if kicking up a storm like that would have any good for her, plus if she openly tells that she "lied" 🤔.
However, as you said, it gives some hints on why some bugs are not fixed for ages 🤣.

cunning fossil
unborn glacier
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I'm not buying it

obtuse vine
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https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/last-wish-nightborne-customization/200920/660

World of Warcraft Forums
Last wish - Nightborne customization

Greetings everyone 😊 Our characters in game are a virtual representation of who we are in Azeroth and having more character customization options to design our characters helps us feel closer to them. Shadowlands brought a whole array of new customization options to the player races in World of Warcraft, but there were a few of the Allied Races...

pulsar minnow
obtuse vine
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I want the squint nightborne eyes so bad

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Not sure if they will be included, we will need to wait and see

pulsar minnow
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Maybe I’m asking for too much but I really hope they rework the model or at least add an option to change up the Nightborne model. They’re just way too skinny to ever work with plate armor imo

strange falcon
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Any model work is really unlikely to happen

tepid fiber
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You're projecting too much unnecessary realism onto a fantasy setting

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Especially when it can make sense when you disassociate elves from being twinky humans instead of their own race

pulsar minnow
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Im talking about in terms of just looking cool

tepid fiber
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They're elegant and lithe like all elves

pulsar minnow
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Being a Fury Warrior with these stick arms wielding massive swords just looks stupid

tepid fiber
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Subjective

pulsar minnow
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Yeah. That’s my point

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Hence why I said imo

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(In my opinion)

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This is what I wish Nightborne looked like

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tepid fiber
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I think it's even more impressive that they can spin around giant weapons while looking more elegant than strong

silent urchin
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So presumably 9.1.5 on PTR in the next week or so?

tepid fiber
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Likely after the last LFR wing is up

storm marsh
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hopefully next week. im excited

tepid fiber
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Anyone else get the feeling that 9.1.5 will be a fanservice patch? khadgarface

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Not complaining

storm marsh
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if it was a patch with only customization being it's features, i would be totally fine with it honestly

uncut vault
tepid fiber
pulsar minnow
young latch
cosmic beacon
deep pawn
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PTR next week is likely

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I'm hoping they sneak in 2 heritage sets too

slender quest
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would be the right time for a night elf and forsaken heritage questline

uncut vault
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Would it? Forsaken are in the worst possible place for heritage

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They need some actual story getting them to a stable place before even thinking about heritage armor

tepid fiber
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I mean, that could be the whole heritage questline

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To be fair

young latch
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Forsaken have no identity right now

uncut vault
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That’s not what heritage is or should be

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They’re intended to be evergreen storylines

tepid fiber
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Gnome heritage quest was stabilizing Mekkatorque and uniting the gnomes under his rule

uncut vault
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No it wasn’t

tepid fiber
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Or rather, the mechagnome unlock scenario

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My b

uncut vault
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That was mechagnomes induction quests

tepid fiber
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Yeah I corrected--sorry, not an Alliance main and I unlocked all of the Alliance allied races the last week before pre-launch khadgarface

uncut vault
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All of the current heritage quests could happen at pretty much any time and they’d all work fine, because they’re supposed to be a look back on their, well, heritage

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Forsaken need solid ground to stand on in order to look back first

young latch
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Mechagnomes joining the alliance is still kind of odd to me because in that story line it felt like they got along with goblins way better

uncut vault
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I agree, but they also revitalized gnome RP so I’m not mad

cosmic beacon
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thankfully we got vulpera instead of those diaper babies pepeLaugh

young latch
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I like both tho

cosmic beacon
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i really like the mgnome racials

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but thats about it

young latch
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I think gnome bots were better gnomes and that’s my hot take that nobody agrees with

cosmic beacon
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its hard to mog mechagnomes due to their... mech parts

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and i think it looks kinda silly

uncut vault
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If mechagnomes were on horde, they’d be a very popular world first race lol

cosmic beacon
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true

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racials are too good

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literally a free cheat death

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kinda

uncut vault
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They’re one of the reasons that shows the faction imbalance can’t be fixed by just giving alliance better racials

cosmic beacon
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it also depends on the encounters in the raid tho tbh

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like when everyone went goblin for kiljaeden

young latch
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I think alliance should have got sethrak and something else and horde getting gnomes and vulpera

cosmic beacon
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ye sethrak would have been great

young latch
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Not having sethrak also hurts vulpera lore.

cosmic beacon
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it makes sense since the vulpera are from voldun and dont have anything to do with 9.2 like mechagnomes

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same with sethrak

tepid fiber
cosmic beacon
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what happens?

tepid fiber
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They basically trash talk you and your ride the second you stroll in

cosmic beacon
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lmao

tepid fiber
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Meanwhile, gnomes on gnome mounts get praised lol

cosmic beacon
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didnt even know there was an interaction like that, pretty cool

young latch
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And they think more like goblin engineers

tepid fiber
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I think Gazlowe just is better at PR--the mechagnomes love Mekkatorque

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Naaaah, they're definitely closer to gnome engineers with their redundancies and strategic overdesign

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Gazlowe has much better interactions with the people he deals with because he's the penultimate quasi-ethical businessgob. You can read it in his dialog and quest text throughout, and knows that the most profit comes from the long-con

cosmic beacon
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gazlowe knows how to make peeps happy so he gets all the mulah

tepid fiber
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But at the end of the day, he's still about profit. His methods just aim for everyone involved in the deal to win, because it means more deals in the future

deep pawn
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So a 1.5 will have customizations, hoping for heritage.

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I thought people were just wishing for double legendaries, but apparently that's now a full fledged rumor?

ancient jasper
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I feel like double Leggos would be a huge power boost for certain classes

opaque pewter
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Given the potency of some of them, it would be really hard to balance

terse patrol
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What if Yrel and the Naaru resurrect Kairoz and make him open a new portal to Azeroth?

unborn glacier
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Hmmmm, maybe. That was a huge waste of Kairoz

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Like, what happened to the future where we witnessed him murder Soridormi

tropic trail
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@unborn glacier @uncut lintel

uncut lintel
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o-o

tropic trail
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its not even that its the fact she allowed genocide to happen (i can understand the motives but like)

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and also

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the maw?

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do we not know about the maw?

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does the "TRUE DEITY" not know about this Bad Hole™️ consuming souls?

unborn glacier
uncut lintel
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@unborn glacier she did, she took power away right when tyrande he sylvanas in chooke hold wesh

tropic trail
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no she did

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"I sent forth the cascade of souls."

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"Ah.. the Great Tree.. those who perished there.. were claimed.. by the Maw."

unborn glacier
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You are intentionaqlly ignoring the context to fit a narrative

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She could not stop the burning

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She instead turned the tragedy into a boon for her sister

tropic trail
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she eaaaaasily couldve

unborn glacier
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No

uncut lintel
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bwonsamdi be consuming souls for breakfest

tropic trail
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she didnt "send" them. that would imply she has a choice in if they go to the shadowlands or not. its not up to elune if they stay as wisps or not. it just happens depending on how powerful you are iirc? but she "sent" them by letting it happen

uncut lintel
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so ur telling me a moon godess or some sort that can turn bodies into stars and constalations, give imeasurable power to a mortal, cannot stop a fire???

tepid fiber
tropic trail
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"in the wake of tragedy" implies she saw it happening, and decided not to intervene so she could help the winter queen

unborn glacier
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Elune normally turns the souls of Nelves into Wisps btu she choose to send forth the souls of her favored children to serve a further purpose of the cylce of life and death to help her sister.

tropic trail
unborn glacier
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Bwonsamdi is tied to death is ways Elune is not

tepid fiber
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What happened is called an ironic tragedy. Elune meant to do what she thought was right, only to have it turn out horribly wrong

uncut lintel
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ok but is elunes humanoid form hot

tropic trail
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god itd be a better narrative to make her be corrupted and cause it at this rate

tepid fiber
uncut lintel
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does elune even have a form othre than moon

tepid fiber
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You're comparing apples and oranges

tropic trail
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and then she has no excuse

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at all

unborn glacier
tepid fiber
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For real

tropic trail
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life or not

tepid fiber
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You're upset about things that aren't even happening

tropic trail
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shes described in both canon lore and the rpg as a true deity which implies omnipotence

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omniscience

unborn glacier
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No

tropic trail
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she has little to no excuse shes just fucking stupid

tepid fiber
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...

unborn glacier
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She has been left vague in the lore for a reason

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Metzen is on record that Elune was a god that was never to be fully explored but always present

tepid fiber
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I'm not gonna bother, their mind is made up on misconceptions and memes

unborn glacier
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True. This is why you don't let your own headcanons become your obsession, like Pyromancer, and get mad when it doesnt come true, like Pyromancer

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xD

tepid fiber
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Just throw him under the bus like that twice, damn

tropic trail
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if she was like

tepid fiber
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"no you get back under that bus" - baifeng

tropic trail
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just a wild god or something or just a god

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then sure

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but shes a true deity

tepid fiber
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She's a member of the Pantheon of Life

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It's been established

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She's Life's counterpart to the Winter Queen

tropic trail
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Elune is one of the few true deities of Azeroth, but the mythology surrounding her suggests that her true identity has not yet been fully understood.[7][9]

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yeah but shes still more powerful than an eternal one considering

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true deity

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and eternal ones are just titan levels of power

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except zovaal

tepid fiber
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You don't play retail as you stated so you're missing lore that's been revealed and evolved over the last couple weeks

tropic trail
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i dont but i follow it

tepid fiber
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Again, you're stating inaccurate misconceptions as fact

tropic trail
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..misconception? its directly stated on her wowpedia page

uncut lintel
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garrosh 2.0 moondust edition

upper pasture
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But like who claims she’s a true deity cause like their view could be flawed

tropic trail
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Elune is one of the few true deities of Azeroth, but the mythology surrounding her suggests that her true identity has not yet been fully understood.[7][9]

tepid fiber
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Perhaps the wiki isn't updated to current content, especially considering wowpedia's recent domain overhaul 🙄

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Anything that happens in-game trumps whatever is on a wiki as far as current canon

unborn glacier
tepid fiber
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You can't debate that

tropic trail
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thats not from the rpg

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this is but thats not what i said

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what i said is sourced in the wow encylopedia

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which as far as im aware is canon

tepid fiber
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Either way, current canon is what's ingame, not whatever you find on a wiki

tropic trail
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does the game directly contradict the words true deity?

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yes shes the winter queens counterpart in life, but as far as im aware it never said theyre equals

tepid fiber
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She's the Winter Queen's counterpart in the Pantheon of Life

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They're sisters

tropic trail
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which doesnt necessarily mean equals

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yeah and the entire pantheon of death are siblings but zovaal is titan++ when it comes to power

tepid fiber
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They're both part of a duality of life and death, they have to balance each other out by design

tropic trail
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whatever excuses it in lore still doesnt change the fact it,, doesnt really do her justice overall squint

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especially with shadowlands' track record

tepid fiber
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Zovaal was also the Arbiter and has weaponized his own methods of imprisonment and has been acting under his own designs for untold eons. He's not a fair comparison

tropic trail
unborn glacier
tropic trail
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we dont know if elune and the winter queen are actual family or not either

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thats still up in the air

unborn glacier
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No, we do

tropic trail
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how?

unborn glacier
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It is stated for a fact in game

tropic trail
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and not for nothing but even irl lorewalker cho (nobbel) doesnt like this shit

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most people dont, so its clear something is squint here

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whether you like it or not, it hasnt been received well

unborn glacier
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And? Not everyone liked MoP

tropic trail
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yes but the game is literally dying because of this writing

unborn glacier
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Doesn't mean MoPs Lore injection to the game was amazing in the end

tropic trail
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sub numbers are being lost

unborn glacier
tropic trail
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and blizz itself

unborn glacier
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No

tepid fiber
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🙄

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Pat yourself on the back, you absolute hero

unborn glacier
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The losses from the Lawsuit, im telling you now, will be extremely small compared to the fact the game is just not being developed well.

upper pasture
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Man I didn’t like the first half of this book. Must mean the whole thing is trash even tho I didn’t finish it you shouldn’t waste time reading it either

unborn glacier
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lol

tepid fiber
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Mmmmhm

uncut lintel
unborn glacier
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It really came across like a savior complex, tbh

tepid fiber
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The point is, you're making wild assumptions about the lore without knowing the current state of the canon

tropic trail
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i know the majority of it. not tiny details but

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theres not much point in this conversation anymore, i disagree, and i think elune has been ruined

tepid fiber
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Yeah, and we're just pointing out why your reasoning for her being "ruined" is flawed, because it's over things that are contrary or misunderstood about canon

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I'm not trying to argue, at least

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Just explain what's actually up

pulsar minnow
tropic trail
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oh solving her mystery is definitely good imo

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id have preferred her to have been a first one but yknow

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😔

pulsar minnow
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If she was a First One I think it would be incredibly stupid

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It would break a lot of what makes the First Ones... well, First Ones

tropic trail
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it makes alot of sense imo. shes had influences in several cosmological forces. her true deity status, etc

pulsar minnow
tropic trail
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true

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itd be super cool if all the first ones had a lunar aesthetic

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but lunar magic is nature and arcane so

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thatd take away from them being their own cosmological force (at least its theorized they are)

pulsar minnow
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I really hope they use the Elune aesthetic next expansion for a whole city if we indeed get the Lifelands

tropic trail
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oh SURE

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i like the cosmic shit, i dont like how its been handled so far and i think we need a break from it, but im a sucker for galaxy aesthetic

pulsar minnow
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also something influenced by this kind of nordic life look

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A giant world tree, decorated by a sort of Elune-esque Asgardish thing

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could be sick

tropic trail
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this is how i see elune imo

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not a tall nelf in a slutmog

pulsar minnow
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I mean that looks pretty cool, but I think that could be even cooler if her skin was like the stars

tropic trail
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maybe

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i really hope they dont make her straight up the moon

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i think that fits better as a depiction or a representation

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im iffy on zovaals story overall nowadays but im still interested in it

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i like the whole

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mastermind behind the lich king thing

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and also anduin. not done amazingly imo but cool

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my sensitive ass cried because of the latest cinematic

pulsar minnow
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Zovaal definitely needs to have more backstory

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I hope we can actually start learning about his past next patch

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Like, maybe Zovaal feels as though the First Ones abandoned their creations and left them to a world of conflict and strife, one where souls were simply cogs in a machine to feed a purpose he was never told the meaning of, and where he too found himself as just another piece. blah blah blah, he gets mad, and now seeks to create a new reality where he is now god of a twisted reality.

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obviously im not a writer but i think it could work as a justified reason behind his actions rather than "blah im evil and crap blah"

tropic trail
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say what you will about wow

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this is a good shot

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and it captures the god of death vibes imo

pulsar minnow
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Oh yeah he looks sick

tropic trail
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he does, admittedly, look like a dk but

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he looks cool nonetheless

pulsar minnow
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The only thing I don't like about the outfit is that I think he needs a giant cloak

tropic trail
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oh HELL yeah

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one of my friends thinks he needs wings

pulsar minnow
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I think thats too much lol

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but for like a final form/Mythic phase look

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yeah

tropic trail
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this kinda is his final form

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he has his own power + four other sigils

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also can we talk about how his voice went from "he sorta sounds like the lich king" to "ok he sounds exactly like the fucking lich king" when he said "mine" in sylvanas' fate cinematic?

pulsar minnow
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Yeah, but as a god of death and as a dude whos been chained for eternity, I think he'd just use every last ounce of his power in a final rage to end everything

tropic trail
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true

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he just becomes asriel

pulsar minnow
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I really like the idea of us trying to escape a giant crumbling first one facility while the Jailer chases after us clawing his way out behind us

tropic trail
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or this

pulsar minnow
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kind of like the warthog run from halo

tropic trail
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i really wish size wasnt an issue in wow

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then we could have him like

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be huge

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like screen filling huge

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like we slashin at this mfs left big toenail

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i made this

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imo all of these are possibilities that either 1.) make sense or 2.) i wouldnt put past blizz

upper pasture
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bolvar becomes arbiter just like when he became lich king syl lives and jailer gets his plan off before we finish him off but he gets to do his thing and leads into the next expansion and we deal with the fall out

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i really hope Bolvar gets locked in the SL and we never see him again

tropic trail
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GOD ive always wanted a good or resurrected sylvanas

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but not like this

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😔

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cannot,, let him,, reach,, the,, sunwell

upper pasture
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im not saying she will be good but she isn't going to be killed off

tropic trail
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god imagine people going before her as the arbiter

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A Night Elf: the FUCK you are

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leaves the shadowlands

upper pasture
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shes simply not fit to judge people

tropic trail
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yeah shes not

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if zovaal had to be replaced because hes passionate and injust then sylvanas wouldnt fit either

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its possible the system will be remade entirely

ancient jasper
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After hearing how excited all of you were around the new customization options, we saw that many of your comments were requesting more natural hair colors for Void Elves. We relayed this feedback to the team and they were able to add 5 natural hair color options for Void Elves to the 9.1.5 update.

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Daamn

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They're definitely in PR mode lol

zealous basalt
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PR?

tepid fiber
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Public Relations

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Meaning they're trying to do things for the community to foster some positivity

dusty trellis
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Shouldn’t this channel be renamed to 9.1.5 spoilers

uncut vault
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Probably

tepid fiber
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It will once 9.1.5 is on PTR

ancient jasper
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^

strange falcon
ancient jasper
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It's funny they ask for an explanation and then make it to where you can't reply to the Tweet. lol

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When the explanation is kind of obvious

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Someone from THEIR TEAM literally came out and said there would be no more customization in Shadowlands

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And then this happens

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Like the writing is kind of on the wall here

pulsar minnow
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Well yeah, they flat-out admitted they're doing this because people were so angry over the notion that we wouldn't be getting more customization

ancient jasper
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Especially considering the Shadowlands customization added was considered some of the most popular stuff they've done in ages and was EXTREMELY well recieved

terse patrol
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Woke idea:

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The remaining Scourge are given their souls back and are freed at the end, joining the Forsaken. The Night Elves are reincarnated or revived in some manner.

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So both sides are “recovered”.

tulip sun
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Eh?

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I don't really like that tbh

terse patrol
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I mean, it’s what happened when the Lich King was originally heavily weakened. The Forsaken were born.

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With the Jailer gone, all those Scourge should get their minds back.

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@tulip sun

unborn glacier
terse patrol
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Good. But it does need a counter balance because it’d make the Forsaken very strong.

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Either the Forsaken have to split and some go Alliance, or the Night Elves return.

unborn glacier
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How about the Nelf souls returning in the form of Soulshapes or borne of Nature as Dryads?

terse patrol
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I think they should return as a new form of satyr based off of Ardenweald.

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@unborn glacier

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But still nelfy.

pulsar minnow
terse patrol
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I’d rather something like this.

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@pulsar minnow

deep pawn
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isn't that just what's there?

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Like Niya and Aralon?

terse patrol
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I’ma be real

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Hate the design

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The pseudo animal face and dumb horns

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Aralon looked way better in his cinematic

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The painted one

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For some reason they gave his race those stupid looking glowing horns.

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<@&299347348847329281>

wise peakBOT
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dynoSuccess ⃟⃟⃟#0238 was banned | troll

ancient jasper
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And the Banhammer strikes true!

tulip sun
unborn glacier
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Big disagre

tepid fiber
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Meh, I feel like the Scourge in Northrend wouldn't gain free will like the Forsaken did. The Forsaken were merely a faction of the recently-risen Lordaeronean Scourge while the Scourge in Northrend have been risen for quite some time. The majority might not have minds to free anymore

pulsar minnow
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Also the scourge have had their free will for like a year now since Sylvanas broke the helm of domination. The Jailer isnt controlling them. Nobody is.

tepid fiber
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Less "free will" and more mindless undead fury and instincts but yes khadgarface

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My personal headcanon is that while we're all off in the Shadowlands doing our regular hero shit, the major nations of Azeroth are back home keeping the Scourge in Northrend

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And post-war stabilization efforts etc etc

upper pasture
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i mean the scourge is prolly causing havoc again tbh

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cause remember there must always be a lich king

deep pawn
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They only reference the current scourge stuff with Kyrians

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Their campaign quests shows a scourge attack

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One world quest has you judge souls

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Kyrians apparently will let souls go back to life if a necromancer kills them and threatens life and death balance

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This was a Klaxxi soul

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When has the scourge ever been near the Klaxxi

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They'll also occasionally spare children to let their souls create more anima unless really sick

patent cedar
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anyone knows if blizzard skipping gamescon ?

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i see the trailer and zero blizzard content

cosmic beacon
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They aren’t doing blizzcon this year

lusty locust
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Gamescom is the show in Germany, not the same as Blizzcon

cosmic beacon
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So I assume they aren’t doing anything for gamescon either

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Ye

lusty locust
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But I'm not sure, Cotte. I haven't seen any confirmations that they'll be there

cosmic beacon
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Ye I completely forgot to finish what I said lol

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Too tired

lusty locust
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I'd wager that there MIGHT be an online announcement for.. who knows. Maybe 9.2?

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@cosmic beacon no worries, I get it 😅

cosmic beacon
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I doubt we will see anything about 9.2 for a while

lusty locust
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Never say never 🥺

cosmic beacon
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Maybe some hints but considering we don’t even know everything about 9.1.5 I can’t see it happening

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Once 9.1.5 comes out we should hopefully get some news about 9.2 not long after

lusty locust
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I'll take a hint aha

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Well, I suppose all we can do is wait for the time being

cosmic beacon
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Yep

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In the mean time ima practice healing a lot more so I’m in a good spot for the new patch

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Cause holy pala is way more fun than dps or tank

strange falcon
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Found these online

upper pasture
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Is that OG devs list?

strange falcon
#

Yes

patent cedar
#

tom chilton the missing guy

uncut vault
sullen dawn
#

Hearthstone is fun tbh

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And its far less p2w these days

cunning fossil
#

Agree. I say this as an Avid player

uncut vault
#

honestly Brode leaving was the best thing for the game since its creation lol

strange falcon
uncut vault
#

game's gotten far more accessible and shifted monetization to optional cosmetics rather than the ability to play decks at all

strange falcon
zealous basalt
#

What's maintenance mode

cosmic beacon
#

They are in maintenance ofc

strange falcon
#

Also hey its mak

zealous basalt
#

I have been reading stuff here lol

deep pawn
#

I play Battlegrounds only in HS

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HotS tries, but their team is super small

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9.1.5 is gonna be a lot of small community pleasing fixes and I'm okay with that

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solo islands is something I may actually do on my druid

pulsar minnow
#

They fixed the Nightborne eyes thank goodness

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Anyone notice the full blown ram horns on the LF Draenei in the top left?

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cosmic beacon
#

shame no customisation for vulpera was mentioned Sadge

storm marsh
#

It will come eventually

sullen dawn
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They should make all vulpera invisible to other non-vulpera races

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Non optional

pulsar minnow
young latch
young latch
pulsar minnow
#

its a joke chill

young latch
unborn glacier
unborn glacier
pulsar minnow
#

But I would really like the jewelry

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This fan edit looks awesome

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male blood elves really would benefit from more eyebrow, face tattoo, body tattoo, and body jewelry options

young latch
#

I just don’t understand why it’s gone. And the arm and hand textures they implemented were blurry and low res.

pulsar minnow
#

But for now I'm super excited to see the Male Nightborne

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I'm also still praying they allow us to get those glowing hands... and again maybe redo the animations and rework the male bodies

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Something like this

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unborn glacier
#

More Panda Customs!

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Cultural jewelry!

storm marsh
#

worgen are part of core races, didn't get new hairstyles :/

unborn glacier
#

Worgen got more than Pandas

ancient jasper
#

Eh.. I wouldn't call fur colors and eye colors more than Pandas.

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If anything they got equally shafted

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Though Pandaren did get a chance to turn their tail on/off and more hair styles

mossy meteor
#

more panda customisation would be killer

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though i love what we got in 9.0

unborn glacier
#

Cultural jewelry ;-;

mossy meteor
#

my first character was a panda monk

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still play it

unborn glacier
#

Panda Hunter

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So happy I finally got that MoP pvp helmet to work in a mog

tepid fiber
#

Or give every race the same number and type of customization options

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Every. Race.

unborn glacier
#

The customizations need to remain lore friendly and compatible with the races culture

tepid fiber
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Ofc

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But should have the same number. A little unfair that elves get a millionty hairstyles and jewelry options

unborn glacier
#

Big true

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I will die on this hill. Cultural jewelry for Pandas, make the female Pandas underwear the same fucking colour XD

strange falcon
#

No source so this might as well be fake was prob posted on 4chan or something

patent cedar
#

wow if a fan did it this blizzard need to hire him

unborn glacier
#

That's that custom wow being created by a small rp community, inho

strange falcon
#

I saw the private server announcement of it yes

unborn glacier
#

Blizz really needs to kill all these private servers and hire their devs

strange falcon
#

They dont have the good PR required to do that atm

cunning fossil
#

I don't get ut

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It's not opening

unborn glacier
#

O-o You cant open Imgur?

silent urchin
#

album got deleted it seems

cunning fossil
#

Yeah it's gone

upper pasture
#

it did

cunning fossil
unborn glacier
#

I wish sad

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Kalimdor and the EK need another Cataclysm lvl revamp.

cunning fossil
#

It would be nice

strange falcon
#

I have 2 other leaks if u want them

silent urchin
#

Ah, the emerald dream leak. I think that's happened for literally every expansion

upper pasture
#

they need to workshop that expansion title if true lol

silent urchin
#

"Warrior - Archery"

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are they just removing hunters lmao

tepid fiber
#

Archers don't necessarily have to be hunters, but yeah, it would seem kinda hard to make it very distinct from marksmanship hunters

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And moon priest is basically balance druid

silent urchin
#

It's totally different. It's balance druid but with like 2-3 random glaive attacks

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spinny throwy glaives, that is, not the DH ones

upper pasture
#

they spin clockwise not counterclockwise.....totally different

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might be in the minority here but i hope they do a level squish again and push us down to 50 again and make us level back up to 60 with every coming expansion

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

just so we don't get bloated levels again

strange falcon
tepid fiber
upper pasture
#

we get a squish every patch anyways might as well make it the norm to be like "oh prepatch every down 10 levels and push to 60 at new expac" old expac becomes new leveling experience and you can chromie time into what you want sub 50 then new stuff 50-60

tepid fiber
#

Yeah that's what I'm saying

upper pasture
#

there's just not point to letting us get to 100+ again

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

and new players stayed away cause they didn't want to level 130 levels to play with friends.

strange falcon
#

Sure,but your solution is not the correct solution either

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You bring new players in and you piss off all the current players,so you traded one problem for another

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And solved nothing

upper pasture
#

do you know anyone that quit over the level squish or were just unhappy over it and played anyways?

strange falcon
#

You're misunderstanding my point

upper pasture
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cause i know a handful of people who decided to try WoW because "i don't have to grind 100 levels to play current content"

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players get pissed off every expansion when they have to trade in their purples for green my dude

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and i never said it was "the solution" i just said i personally think its the best way to move forward with expansions

strange falcon
#

The major complaint of every borrowed power system since legion was specifically "i spent two years powering this artifact and now my time is invalidated because we throw it in the trash"

upper pasture
#

but thats ANY expansion

strange falcon
#

Gear is made to be replaceable,thats the concept of gear in any game

upper pasture
#

current stuff becomes useless when the next stuff drops. its like that in any expanding game

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

do you know how time consuming WoW would becoming if you have every system running since OG? and what a balancing nightmare that would become. IMHO "Parasitic systems" are good. its something to do in the expansion that's current to the story line. why the hell would we still be dragging around old artifacts or books from MC when we've gone and fought other worldly issues.

tepid fiber
strange falcon
#

Parasitic systems is exactly one of the reasons why players are mad at blizzard

upper pasture
#

if you want non parasitic systems in game or to stay in game you'd have to grind EVERY expansion to make sure you had every thing available to make sure you could do my best DPS to raid

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it just doesn't make sense

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

also people just like to complain

tepid fiber
#

Gamers are the worst thing about gaming sometimes

upper pasture
#

well power implies well....power

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so like yeah

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

maybe you've grown out of enjoying MMOs then idk

strange falcon
#

The mmo players have grown used to being content with a mediocre product that their standards have sunk so low they dont even ask for quality

tepid fiber
#

"I want new things but I don't want change" like come on buddy

upper pasture
#

highly disagree, Gamers or players have gotten used to being able to shit talk and talk down about stuff for so long they feel like they are entitled to what they believe the game should be

strange falcon
tepid fiber
#

Riiight

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Just keep howling at new systems the way Frankenstein's monster goes "fire bad!"

upper pasture
#

"I want new things but please don't make me do anything for them, I just want them"

strange falcon
strange falcon
zealous basalt
#

Parasitic systems suck

upper pasture
#

if you don't like doing things don't do them

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simple as that

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if you don't enjoy it don't do it. show blizzard you're truly unhappy and stop giving them money

zealous basalt
#

you know, this is the kind of personality that has blizzard keep doing what they are doing

strange falcon
tepid fiber
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I'd be bored as hell if all we got was new content without new systems at this point. It's just be the same droll grind with a different background and now new variety. I enjoy evolution in my gameplay, otherwise I'd be playing the same goddamn MM hunter rotation since 2004

upper pasture
#

but we always see a decline half way through expansions yet yall come back all the time

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granted this is a special case with everything else going on too but you get it i hope

tepid fiber
strange falcon
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People get fed up and quit,and dont come back

tepid fiber
#

Excepting all of the content tourists who just log on when there's a new patch or expansion and call it a day

upper pasture
#

okay then. i guess i wont be seeing you next expansion then?

tepid fiber
#

Oh, and every forum post about "myeh here's why I'm leaving"

upper pasture
#

also if you've quit for good why stay in this discord?

tepid fiber
#

Like bye Felicia we don't need an obituary

zealous basalt
#

Damn

strange falcon
upper pasture
#

if only discord had a way to talk to people not in the servers you're in man

#

if only

tepid fiber
#

People get fed up and quit and yet talk about how they don't play anymore 25/8. It's just like a recovering alcoholic who does nothing but talk about how they don't drink anymore khadgarface

upper pasture
#

but i get it

tepid fiber
strange falcon
#

Daniel is the one highest on copium in this server

zealous basalt
#

You two are like

upper pasture
#

when i quit in WoD i still checked out MMO champ all the time to see what was going on

zealous basalt
#

The biggest gatekeepers I have ever seen in this servers

upper pasture
#

yeah me a gatekeeper lol the person who wants it to be easier for new players

zealous basalt
#

New players become not new players and then what

#

If you make everything good for the new players what's good for the veterans

upper pasture
#

then they quit cause they don't like it anymore or they play

tepid fiber
#

I regularly help people get into the game and help with advice when I can. I'm sorry that I have a problem with people who don't even play the game constantly shit on the game 🤷

zealous basalt
#

My guy

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Never make a game xD

upper pasture
#

i have a great time helping new people and casual play with my wife

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and i'm not saying "oh i don't like this one thing, i quit" i'm saying if you don't enjoy ANYTHING about the game just quit my dude

zealous basalt
#

And @strange falcon what they should have done is

tepid fiber
#

It's just a videogame. If you don't like it, don't play it and get on with your life and get over yourself

strange falcon
zealous basalt
#

Keep working on the artifacts at first and something else

strange falcon
#

10/10 game design

zealous basalt
#

Rather than remove them

#

Artifacts were cool in the expac they were because it felt like it was our power

upper pasture
#

cool good thing i'm not a game dev then lol

zealous basalt
#

But then we got hit by "nerfing time"

upper pasture
#

"our power" you know those Artifacts from other known people in warcraft lore

zealous basalt
#

If they instead would have merged all the traits within us it would have been better

tepid fiber
#

It was a system unique to that expansion, just like gear. I don't get pissy because I can't use a sweet weapon with an on equip effect from Wrath

zealous basalt
#

But you still keep talents, level and skills, don't you?

upper pasture
#

why tho so in 1 or 2 expansions you'd get hit with the same nerf bat? and then cry about how your talent tree is changing yet again

zealous basalt
#

When was the last time we got a talent

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Or a skill

tepid fiber
#

Lots of talents changed, and many specs even got new different talents in SL

upper pasture
#

the only reason we didn't get any this expansion is because covenants is the new talent

zealous basalt
#

That's not what I'm asking

tepid fiber
#

I wouldn't say that, it's just the expansion system

upper pasture
#

so they zsquished us prepatch shuffled talents and didn't give us one for 60 cause covenants

tepid fiber
#

I don't want to have the same homogeneous unchanged playstyle for my favorite spec for years on end

zealous basalt
#

You still haven't answered

tepid fiber
#

Change isn't a bad thing

upper pasture
#

uh......prepatch. i do believe talents changed then

tepid fiber
#

SL had talent and skill reworks, so did BfA, Legion had entire overhauls

zealous basalt
#

Let me rewrite the question

tepid fiber
#

WoD changed things, Mists changed things, etc etc

zealous basalt
#

When was the last time we had a max level skill or talent

tepid fiber
#

"You answered my question so let me rephrase it so I'm still right" khadgarface

upper pasture
#

kek

zealous basalt
#

WoD was the last time we got proper end skills and talents

upper pasture
#

define "proper"

tepid fiber
#

Yeah, and lots of people talk about WoD fondly 🤣

#

Don't get me wrong, glad spec warrior changed my life, but WoD was a disaster of an expansion

zealous basalt
#

As shown on the ability book for the last time. After WoD it has been parasitic systems

tepid fiber
#

But every expansion had its pros and cons

upper pasture
#

whats different with getting something you use for that expansion at max level that gets taken away or a talent that gets reworked after the expansion is over?

zealous basalt
#

That at least you can guarantee that the same ability won't be put in the next xpac as something new

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Or that your class won't feel incomplete if removed

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Like some classes after Legion

upper pasture
#

classes playstyles change. thats why it means to play an MMO

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the same rotation you used in BC isn't going to be the same in SLs

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if you don't want change go play skyrim i heard its getting a remaster

zealous basalt
#

No, but the rotation you used in Legion is the same in SL

tepid fiber
#

Not true

zealous basalt
#

For monk it is

tepid fiber
#

Anecdotal

zealous basalt
#

Ww monk has been the same rotation that needs the first of the white tiger

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And they have the same legendary effect from Legion

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And in BfA the azerite effects resembled those you already had in Artifacts

tepid fiber
#

So where's your complaint? You said that the class felt incomplete after Legion, and yet go on to say you still have the same power from Legion

zealous basalt
#

That they are not the same

tepid fiber
#

They keep those effects either now baked into the class or available from the current system

zealous basalt
#

They are "lookalike"

upper pasture
#

huh

tepid fiber
#

Christ khadgarface

zealous basalt
#

Let's see Fist of the White Tiger for example

upper pasture
#

"THEY ARE THE SAME" "THEY ARE NOT THE SAME"

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tepid fiber
#

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

zealous basalt
#

In Legion it gave chi and energy back and it gave 3 chi

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From BfA to beyond

upper pasture
#

oh shit something got balanced?

zealous basalt
#

Even if it's a "core" thing

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It became a talent that

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Spends half your energy just for 2 chi

tepid fiber
#

So you're saying that they added something to your class, and managed to balance it to keep it a part of the class, and yet they still took the thing away

#

🤔

zealous basalt
#

They didn't balance it

upper pasture
#

they "changed" it and you don't like it

tepid fiber
zealous basalt
#

God you two don't get it, it's the weaker version, the point I'm trying to make is that after Legion we keep the same "abilities" but weakened without any reason, it's not like they added entirely new rotations since, you said something about changes of how a class feels is proper from every MMO, but I still see the same things from the class at cap level every expansion, so where is your change? Where is your proper change? It's not like the systems that they add every expansion must change the class entirely, but at least give it a twist that feels proper

tepid fiber
#

lol

upper pasture
#

weaker version/balanced/nerfed. they all mean the same thing.

zealous basalt
#

But you two are so high in copium that can't see that nothing really changes rather than the so called "Expansion feature" which to be honest it should be something that the player should keep rather than get pulled away and add thing over thing

tepid fiber
#

But they do keep it

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You explained how they do

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And already explained how new expansion systems add new twists to each spec and playstyle

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And entire specs have changed and been overhauled--just look at spriest

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But no, it's copium. Buzzword buzzword

#

Something buzzword

zealous basalt
#

And then they take it away and left just scratches before reading something "new" that is the same rather than keep it entirely and add something entirely new

#

But yeah, keep thinking that the current design is 10/10 ign would replay again

upper pasture
#

"oh god you enjoy the game? must be copium. that explains it people can't enjoy the things i don't that must be it"

tepid fiber
#

They reintigrate those features from previous systems, as you explained, and yet many playstyles still have familiar rotations with the addition of weaving in covenant abilities

tepid fiber
#

Good exaggerated strawman 👏

upper pasture
#

TL;DR: if you don't like changing things please don't play a live service game or you might become disgruntled or feel like you've wasted your money.

tepid fiber
#

Basically. You can't compare a system changing in a game like BotW to something live like WoW or other MMOs

upper pasture
#

hey @tepid fiber i wonder how he feels about flying being taken away every expansion. how do you feel about it? if they revamp EK/KM again do you want flying right out the gate or do you wanna hoof it until max level and renown 44 again...or i mean...uh.....Fame lvl 44 kek

tepid fiber
#

Meh. Flying to me is a luxury of convenience. I don't have a problem unlocking it eventually once I've earned it

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Makes it feel more worthwhile once I get it

upper pasture
#

true true and its hard to design a game if people can come from any angle and miss out on many views when flying and you don't get the whole "oh ill have to come back here when i have flying" to see what was over on that area you couldn't get to on foot

tepid fiber
#

I feel like it's easier to learn the maps on foot, too, VS just flying from objective to objective

upper pasture
#

i'm definitely a pro take my flying away every expansion

unborn glacier
upper pasture
#

eh. to each their own i suppose.

cosmic beacon
#

i dont mind not flying, but let us get it late 1st patch instead of waiting for 2nd patch

upper pasture
#

they'd have to take away comfortable riding barding for sure. and there would be a lot of things to dismount you in the sky or you could just pick and choose which things you wanted to fight with no real consequence of error

cosmic beacon
#

after a few weeks everyones seen all the rares and what each zone has to offer

unborn glacier
#

Flying should be available from the beginning, locked behind a fun faction to earn rep with and then be a gold sink.

cosmic beacon
#

thats fine too

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i wouldnt mind it

unborn glacier
upper pasture
#

i like rep locked and have a zone that you can only get to by flying (or summoning) ala BC

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twas nice to have a little special thing that you flying people could have and it gave other the incentive to be like "oh i want that too"

strange falcon
tropic trail
#

What is Gallywix doing in Orgrimmar post BfA?

#

He's a traitor

strange falcon
#

Idk when the screenshot was taken i dont have source

unborn glacier
#

8.2.5

upper pasture
#

I hope they make a patch and title it “cult of the doomsayers” or something and make it a bunch of void cultists running around cities telling us “the end is nigh” and they we have to fight some of their leaders like Azonman <lord of the unsub> and Quizaa <deleter of toons>. Then have a full out void attack expansion

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I meant I know the twilight hammer already did this but I just feel like it would be so in touch with the current player base /s

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Or “player base” you know

unborn glacier
upper pasture
#

Yup how I feel every time I see a doomer in chat going off.

unborn glacier
#

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

upper pasture
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Must be tough to just be so tense all the time. Take some time and enjoy things. It was a joke.

deep pawn
#

Flying should be exactly like ff14

#

Complete the zone story, explore achieve, bam, done

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But noooo, we'd devalue the zone designers shitty jumping puzzles for treasures that award 15 anima

mossy meteor
upper pasture
#

i mean i wouldn't be too hurt with that but i have a feeling a lot of people would still complain about that

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but that's not a bad way of doing it cause you've already level the zone and explored pretty much most of it on foot if you wanting the puzzle done without flying you'd have done them then when you found them if not come back with flying

pulsar minnow
deep pawn
strange falcon
#

but they cut it out in alpha,so then you had zones designed around the train,but no train,so flying was a requirement

deep pawn
#

As long as the net exists, I don't care what the few world PvP people think

tepid fiber
#

Like, in the actual docs?

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Or did you read "Blizzard shredding records" and immediately think panicked conspiracy shredding

#

It's sensationalist meme reaction shit like this that distracts from the real shit that's happening and starts turning into a demonizing witch hunt

deep pawn
#

It's the state of California that is alleging Blizzard is shredding records relevant to the investigation

tepid fiber
#

No, document states that they're violating code due to improper record retention including shredding, not that they're shredding records due to the investigation

#

Although I guess if you're unfamiliar with legalese then you'd interpret it like that

primal dirge
#

Blizzard is shredding the declaration of indendence

#

They hate america

unborn glacier
ancient jasper
#

Coming up on two months without even a possible date for 9.1.5 PTR.. Hoo boy

tepid fiber
#

It's almost as if there's stuff going on that's interfering with the development cycle

deep pawn
#

Ptrs often come up Thursday or Friday

plain violet
#

I wonder what the new travel forms will be. A bit impatient for it, but well, all in due time.

cosmic beacon
#

Ye I really want to see what I get to be

#

Raptor is neat but it would be nice to swap around every now and then

plain violet
#

Aha, Im all for having a black moose (this being, choice of color for every travel forms), but new forms would be as sweet !

strange falcon
ancient jasper
#

The entirety of Activision Blizzard really is doing its best to shoot itself through the foot, isn't it?

upper pasture
#

Wait…what. First it’s “oh no HR isn’t listening to us we’re being over looked” and now its “oh no they want us to talk to HR about the complaints we’ve filed?” Listen I’m all for people talking about what happened but if you want action to be done you need to talk to the right people and HR would be the first place to start a process that would get someone in trouble for something in house

#

Ah there’s 2 tweets as follow up. A little shady but this is why you read those documents and not just blindly sign when hired or brought into a meeting. Good on her

cunning fossil
#

I think they mean that HR is trying to either feign concern or get them to shut up. Not ACTUALLY being concerned

#

Also, recently HR has been accused of literally be shredding documents that pertain to the lawsuit

strange falcon
#

Daniel on copium as always,some things never change

unborn glacier
cunning fossil
#

Ahh I see I see.

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
opaque pewter
#

Yeah it's wild how people would dishonestly attempt spin things up nowdays

tepid fiber
#

Ever since the court of public opinion took over for real courts, anyway 🙄

cunning fossil
#

nani I was

#

If it's mis information I'll just unpost it

#

I don't think public opinion has over take real courts tbh

uncut vault
#

It isn’t, it’s literally just someone making a snide comment over the message not really meaning anything

#

It’s only in the game because it’s legally required in the UK now

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And WoW is notoriously terrible with acting on reports and harassment

tepid fiber
upper pasture
deep pawn
#

There's a difference in HR getting more information and HR basically covering stuff up.

#

HRs exist to protect a company and are no employees friend

silent urchin
#

I mean protecting the company also normally means getting rid of abusers and complying with the law

#

it's normally not that misaligned with doing the right thing for employees

deep pawn
#

Supposed to, I wouldn't say normally

random musk
#

People need to remember HR people are protecting other people’s jobs…. But also their own

#

If it meant somebody else gets fired in order to keep their own… that’s what happens

sullen dawn
#

New post from blizz

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9.1.5 ptr next week. Lots of QoL changes including easier covenant and conduit swapping

deep pawn
#

ITS HAPPENING

#

NO MORE CAMPAIGN ON ALTS

sullen dawn
#

I really hope the covenant systems carry across alts. Like if I fully upgrade transportation system on one kyrian, all my kyrians have that

strange falcon
#

Shame they pulled the ripcord only after a large amount of players left

deep pawn
#

Once you’ve reached a high Renown threshold, you will thereafter be able to freely switch among any of the four Covenants without cooldown or restriction, as well as use cosmetic rewards that you have earned from one covenant even if you are currently a member of a different one. Both the Covenant switching and the use of cosmetic rewards will also apply to alts once the Renown threshold is reached on one character.

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Oops, sorry Watcher

#

YAY

#

I'm gonna assume it's renown 80

strange falcon
#

"We should have herded community feedback a year ago" no shit,ppl have been telling you since wod

deep pawn
#

Delve back into Legion Dungeons with Legion Timewalking and take on the challenges within, including access to Legion Mythic+ dungeons. This event will run for two weeks the first time it runs within the game and then will resume a regular one-week schedule for subsequent bonus events.

#

Legion trinkets are back on the menu, boys.

dull flame
#

does timewalk includes mage tower ?

strange falcon
#

No

austere gazelle
#

Maybe it means " the one that pushed this change and never wanted to change it is no longer working with us "

slender quest
#

9.1.5 won't have any story content?

#

because it's not mentioned here

silent urchin
#

.5 patches don't tend to have story content

unborn glacier
#

Next week

deep pawn
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Wednesday is their test build days usually

slender quest
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8.1.5 had some story content if I remember it right

cosmic beacon
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do we know how the legion timewalking with m+ will work

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or do we gotta wait till ptr

silent urchin
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we literally don't know anything beyond the one sentence from the blog post

cosmic beacon
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ye thought so

silent urchin
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even though there's been like 4 articles on it

cosmic beacon
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sounds cool tho. being able to run m+ in legion dungeons during timewalking week

obtuse vine
# slender quest 8.1.5 had some story content if I remember it right

8.1.5 had the derek questline and the xalatath stuff (although the xalatath stuff was testable on the 8.1 ptr), 8.2.5 had the war campaign. In Legion 7.2.5 had the deaths of chromie if you consider that story content, 7.1.5 didnt have any story content. So it isnt uncommon, but not common either considering we only had small patches since legion

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Oh and 7.3.5 had silithus, but that was obviously and epilogue type thing

dense plover
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Torghast leveling!!!

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Torghast leveling!!!!!!!!!!!

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Also one of the things I wanted was a roadmap

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Still want them to confirm commitment to giving this expac a full 3 patches tho

uncut vault
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.5 patches have definitely had story content the last few years, 8.2.5 was solely dedicated to the conclusion of the war campaign

tepid fiber
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Well that and heritage armors, long-overdue updates to goblins and worgen, and a few other things

slender quest
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who knows maybe there will be story content . They could reveal it later or so

tepid fiber
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Yeah. We won't know what's on the patch without datamining and release notes, so anything past that is just speculation

slender quest
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when the ptr goes in a few days and there will be nothing about story/quests , does it mean we probably should not expect anything for 9.1.5?

tepid fiber
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Idk why people keep saying ".5 patches never have story content"

slender quest
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or could they just add those content in a later 9.1.5 ptr build ?

tepid fiber
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I mean, PTRs leaving out story content is pretty normal

slender quest
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mhh thats right

pulsar minnow
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Wow the ripcord was pulled

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If only it had been at launch. Glad it’s been pulled now. I can finally level Necrolord without looking stupid.

tepid fiber
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You coulda done that before if you wanted 🤷

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I was doing mythic+ and Nathria as an MM necro

cunning fossil
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What have I missed?

tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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Wait Ripcord pulled? Does that mean I'll have to go ahead and play Kyrian now cuz everyone will be on my case if I don't?

tepid fiber
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You still have to grind anima, covenant campaign, and renown for all the other stuff

random musk
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Is it really a ripcord if this was planned from the beginning? Just a thought

cunning fossil
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It's SLIGHTLY /s to be fair.

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Cuz uhm I ain't swapping get fucked.

tepid fiber
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Lmao

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Git it

pulsar minnow
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I’d much rather grind for things I want than be told I’m not allowed to grind until two weeks from now

cunning fossil
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Seriously though. I'm happy for y'all

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Manage

tepid fiber
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That was a community thing. You could still do what you want

cunning fossil
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Maaaaybe during beta

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I was a bit of an asshooe

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Maybe I was huffing a bit of copium before launch

pulsar minnow
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I was too man you’re not alone

cunning fossil
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I personally liked the idea ok?!

pulsar minnow
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Oh me too for sure

cunning fossil
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But I do see the execution was ducked

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As usual

tepid fiber
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I don't think the execution was fucked, just the way the general status quo wanted things to operate was conflicting with the system

pulsar minnow
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I remember vehemently saying that we need to let them balance the conduits before we say the system is bad or whatever. It was only when I realized Venthyr was BIS did I then begin malding

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I am very anti-Venthyr. I don’t like vampire bois unless they’re named Sire Denathrius

tepid fiber
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🤷

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I think the Venthyr campaign was pretty fun

random musk
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It was one of the best

tepid fiber
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Definitely

random musk
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I think it beat out night fae

pulsar minnow
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I’m only kidding. I dont hate them but I just really don’t like vampire aesthetics for extended durations

cunning fossil
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Lmao

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Personally I think Necro was awesome

tepid fiber
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Yeah but at a certain point it becomes the same argument as "I love the Horde racials but I don't wanna play Horde"

cunning fossil
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But Venthyr is awesome too

pulsar minnow
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Owlbois are where it’s at. But I really love the Necrolord Plate and Mount. But then I love the Winterborn Fae Plate and the abilities

tepid fiber
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Tbh, all of the covenants had their pros and cons and each was excellent for a different reason

pulsar minnow
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True.

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But now I’m happy because I can experience all of them since I like them all for their own reasons

cunning fossil
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"If you have previously completed that Covenant campaign on an alt, any future alts will no longer require to complete the campaign, being automatically allowed to get the Renown and third Soulbind from the campaign."

Oh fuck I'm gonnaaa cuuuuuuuu

tepid fiber
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I mean, again, nothing really stopping you from doing that before other than the penalty to swap back

cunning fossil
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Fucking finally I can just PLAY my alts Holy shit

pulsar minnow
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It’s still really frustrating that it took so long. But I’m happy it’s here and I hope next expansion stuff like this doesn’t happen again

tepid fiber
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Still calling it tho, people will keep finding more things to bitch about

pulsar minnow
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Overall a good day imo 👍

tepid fiber
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But yeah I hear you

cunning fossil
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Like bruh why isn't half of thus at the start

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Torghast I get

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But like my gos

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Now I'm WXCITED to level my alts

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"Delve back into Legion Dungeons with Legion Timewalking and take on the challenges within, including access to Legion Mythic+ dungeons. This event will run for two weeks the first time it runs within the game and then will resume a regular one-week schedule for subsequent bonus events."

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I also wonder

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What is this??

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Like will this make it so you can earn some exceptional gear from the past that is Heroic Ilvl?

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Like can I get that busted trinket again?

tepid fiber
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Good god I can already hear the QQing

cunning fossil
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How come?

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Tfw imagine getting pissy over "New" M+ Content

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Like bitch, M+ never gets content

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Be happy

tepid fiber
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Mostly people who would be upset over a "limited time old-content item" being more relevant than current gear

cunning fossil
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Lmao who cares

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I want new gear to play with

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Yo imagine if people get Relics to drop from the dungeon and you don't get any gear

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khadgarface khadgarface 👍 👍 👍

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259 ilvl Iron Relic

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Seriously tho. I think it may be fun

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8 hope it becomes a re occurring thing

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I'm huffing a lot of copium today

strange falcon
strange falcon
cunning fossil
tepid fiber
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Happiness and joy? In my videogame fandom?!

strange falcon
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Since im not huffing copium, and youtubes bein a cunt not letting me clip the vid,ill write out what someone said:
"Whereas before we were at -5,we got a +5 and we're at 0,because we're at where we should have been, at launch.
I am not going to commend blizzard for listening to feedback that they so valiantly ignored and refuted for over a year only for them to finally come crawling back after a large part of their playerbase is moving on, in this desperate attempt to bring people back to the game,by giving them the thing they left the game because of,

I really like the changes,dont get me wrong,but I'll explain why this is the opposite of a win, they're making people feel like they're getting what they want, but the truth is,this is the same thing thats happened before,
This is the same pattern they've had for years now.

Introduce system into the game that is dysfunctional --> ignore feedback --> a year later they think "maybe the players were right", theres nothing that points that the new system in 9.2 isnt going to have the exact same problems and we're going to repeat the cycle again, when the same pattern keeps repeating itself for 5 years since legion you start to notice it
@cunning fossil

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If you enjoy the game,great, keep goin.

tepid fiber
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We will 👍

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It's better to have the changes late than to never have had them at all

ancient jasper
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I'm curious what Renown level the free Covenant swapping will come at.. 40 or 80?

pulsar minnow
opaque pewter
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For legoin M+, it's likely going to be an alternative to get vault clears without rating/items (or at least items that would seriously compete with current season) involved. Still nice change though

cunning fossil
deep pawn
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Asmon is right. This should have been 9.0

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Covenants should have been a cosmetic choice

deep pawn
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They had many many people tell them this felt bad and they still did it

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At least I can multispec and have the transmog I want

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The weak abilities will get even less play now though

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I'm glad it's only a year instead of 18months to get to playable

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Let's make it end of beta next time?

tepid fiber
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"get to playable"

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jeez

deep pawn
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Sorry, "remove the most frustrating anti-player mechanics"

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That better?

pulsar minnow
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"hey guys this expansion is about choice so we're limiting that"

cunning fossil
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Kekw.

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I liked the choice either way but I can admit I'm not in the majority

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#MyChoiceMattered

deep pawn
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My choice would have mattered just as much if it was about which covenant campaign I did and if my soulbinds were 3 bodyguards I could choose for world content

ebon slate
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honestly this entire time i thought people were bitching because I thought you had to farm renown every single time you swapped back between the same covenants

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but apparently it saves your renown progress right?

cunning fossil
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It does

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It always did ye

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Also, uhm I was half ass joking

ebon slate
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so like im sitting here like so people were bitching because htey had to wait a week to press a button

cunning fossil
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I did like it though. As long as I don't keep getting rejected for playing Necro I'm happy

ebon slate
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I genuinely thought people were upset because they were grinding renown all the time because it reset their renown when they swapped

cunning fossil
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Oh lol no that qasn't the issue

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It was more so that they couldn't swap at will

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Which I get but at the same time I liked the commitment idea

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PERSONALLY

ebon slate
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i liked it too

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idk where youve been

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ive been arguing for covenants for so long blusherbucket

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so like the only change in 9.1.5 will be that they will get to press the button in oribos more often lmfao

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90% of the playerbase is still never going to swap for anything

pulsar minnow
tepid fiber
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That's how it's been

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Now there's just no timegate to swap back

unborn glacier
tepid fiber
cunning fossil
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Yeet

deep pawn
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Even saving your progress you had a two reset wait going back

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Certainly wasn't convenient for say priests who liked disc, holy, and pvp

cunning fossil
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You don't have to swap covenant to play a spec.
I do GET that they have eidfferent BiS covs and whatever but still not a necessity.

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The biggest issue I had was Condu-shit energy

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Like now that it's been out for a patch, it is getting ols

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Especially since now I wanna try out more specs and stuff

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So yes. I complain when it affects me finally.
khadgarface

deep pawn
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There's a pretty big power difference between some covenants for some specs.

cunning fossil
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Yes but you can still play those specs pretty well

deep pawn
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Doesn't keep it from feeling bad

ebon slate
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my main issues were conduit energy and the fact that story quests were not account wide

cunning fossil
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Never said it does but it is far from a necessiry

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It is a WANT

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Not a NEED

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at the end of the day

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
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There's a huge power difference between specs of the same class--that doesn't mean that people won't play a spec

deep pawn
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It clearly was a big enough deal they have to basically say, sorry, we were wrong

ebon slate
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did they say only the 9.0 campaign was acct wide? or 9.1 as well?

cunning fossil
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It made no sense to have to re do the story on a new character when I ALREADY did the story

deep pawn
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9.0 only it looks like

ebon slate
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yikers

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the 9.1 story takes longer

tepid fiber
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🙄

cunning fossil
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Of course it was a big deal. Because lots of the player base likes to pretend to some degree that they're MDI or World Firsters

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Kek

ebon slate
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the 9.1 campaign is also like so badly done imo

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the night fae chapter

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90% of it

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consists

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of flying

unborn glacier
cunning fossil
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It's not Bai

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I know how you feel about it

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But it really ain't

ebon slate
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bai do you have CE

tepid fiber
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Do you have the numbers and stats to support saying 90% or do you just like tossing out erroneous percentages to justify your personal opinion

cunning fossil
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Uwu

ebon slate
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my 90%?

unborn glacier
unborn glacier
ebon slate
cunning fossil
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I'm not gonna argue semantics friend. We're on opposite sides of the spectrum. Still, I'm glad y'all got your win. Just hope I don't have people telling me to go Kyrian.

deep pawn
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That's the downside that the worse abilities will have even less reason to exist

tepid fiber
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kek

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Sure bud

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If you're playing with groups who insist you copy world 1st metas, you should probably play with other groups

ebon slate
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I might just draw a map

cunning fossil
tepid fiber
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Oh no you had to travel khadgarface

unborn glacier
cunning fossil
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It doesn't require that much. U just need to know your rotation

tepid fiber
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Nobody is holding a gun to your head to play optimally

cunning fossil
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Going above and beyond then requires all the add ons

tepid fiber
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And if you wanna be optimal, you can. And if you wanna play what you want, you can do that too

cunning fossil
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Just leave peeps alone is the lesson

ebon slate
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yeah the best covenant is vital thats why fury warriors are beating baifeng in progression because theyre playing more opimally-er-er

cunning fossil
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Just leave em the heck alone x0

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Let's not start insults tho

unborn glacier
cunning fossil
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Opinions are assholes bro. Everyone has em and some of them stink.

tepid fiber
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Ferreal, acting like a dick over someone else's progress is pretty shitty

tepid fiber
ebon slate
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yeah because baifeng has been just such a charmer to me

tepid fiber
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Dude, because you're a dick

ebon slate
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lmao

cunning fossil
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I would just say to chill out and agree to disagre

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No need to devolve into insults

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Like Bai and I don't like each other's opinions but we still UwU

unborn glacier
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Some ppl are incapable of having an opinion without needing to degrade and dehumanize those who disagree with them

unborn glacier
tepid fiber
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Ngl, glad that I'll be able to use the necrolord mail pieces for my NF hunter

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It's just two pieces that really throw the mog together

deep pawn
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You can complete everything in game right now without a covenant or legendary if you wanted, doesn't stop the fact you've made it harder on yourself