beta-ptr-spoilers

[young latch]

I still think the dumbest "lore" thing in all of WoW was just leaving the tide stone at the tomb of Sargeras after recovering it and Azshara just walking up to take it. :B

[strange falcon]

Oh yeah,he ended up deleting his twitter i think,
And i also think it all sparked when mrgm tweeted " FF14s shop has 601 items" nothing negative in the message itself,but all the FF14 diehard fans freaked out and started hounding him for "reee my game is perfect reee"
Is what i know

[slender quest]

that's crazy

[young latch]

i saw that and it was bananas

[strange falcon]

I really cannot understand how people can go "wow shop bad ff shop gud" when ff loses at the starting line from sheer amount of items

[young latch]

at least (enough?) wow fans know wow has problems but the ff community are zealous

[strange falcon]

They're not zealous,they're full on delusionals with some of them,completely refusing to accept A N Y criticism at all that would hinder the "ff perfect game with no flaws narrative"

Also another one joins the ring
https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/california-is-now-suing-riot-games-as-well-as-activision-blizzard-3007583

[cunning fossil]

Lmao I watched that Pyro clip yesterday

It was funny as heck

[cunning fossil]

Oh shit damn. The state don't play

[strange falcon]

if the state really dont play, they still have a few more companies to sue

[cunning fossil]

Teue

True&

[strange falcon]

Teue,yes indeed

[jagged wigeon]

So I just beat the WOTLK Raid

Why the fuck didn't Saurfang ever bring up Varian letting him collect his sons body?

Like that seems like a pretty good story beat that was never followed up on with Anduin and him

[cunning fossil]

I thought it was like mutual respect

Idk tho

[jagged wigeon]

For example in the trailer, when Anduin asks him why he spared him

Saurfang should have said

"Because your Father let me mourn my son."

Or something to that effect

[unborn glacier]

Because it didn't make sense.

[pulsar minnow]

Anduin is the one who brings it up. He mentions what Varian thought of Varok Saurfang

[jagged wigeon]

Neither do the pandas but here we are

[cosmic beacon]

They were an April fools in like og Warcraft, they weren’t meant to make sense till wow

[tropic trail]

There was canonically a pandaren in WC3 who helped found and establish Durotar

Before WoW

My boi Chen Stormstout

[cosmic beacon]

Ye I remember there being one in WC3

Haven’t played it in a long time tho so memory was iffy, and I didn’t dare ruin it by playing reforged

Preordered it and refunded it the same week it came out

[tropic trail]

Meh, it's got problems but it's not that bad

I bought it with gold anyway lol

[cosmic beacon]

it was a pain to play on release, i didnt even want to bother so i got my money back, could have bought it with gold but i was still kinda new to the game at that point so i kept the gold for the sub

[tulip sun]

I wouldn't call pandaren an April fools joke

[cosmic beacon]

kinda

them as a playable race was a joke

[tulip sun]

Ok but the entire thing i wouldn't really consider one seeing as Chen was so important

[unborn glacier]

Yes they do

[unborn glacier]

No

[unborn glacier]

No

They were originally supposed to be the playable race for Alliance in TBC

[tulip sun]

I can't even imagine lol

[strange falcon]

As far as i know pandas were never planned as playable before pandaria,

Naga,demons,murlocs,draenei and goblin were planned for vanilla,even demon hunters

Also ogres

Ogres and murlocs were planned for wod too then scrapped when they made wod about timetravel draenor and not the original timetravel azeroth

Also want some more fuel for the fire?
https://mobile.twitter.com/devolore/status/1421591323686039555?s=21

Josh Allen 💙 (@devolore)

ActiBlizz leadership isn't even trying to hide how unimaginably evil they are any more

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Twitter · Jul 31, 2021, 9:59 PM

[young latch]

jesus fuck i didn't even realize she was a bush advisor

why's she working in a game company was what I was gonna ask but then-- call of duty. it totally makes sense

augh

[strange falcon]

She was hired 4 months ago

[tulip sun]

Uh. There was even an early model

[strange falcon]

Clear your fucking discord notifications, and use dark mode ffs@tulip sun

[tulip sun]

I just need to find out how to disable them lol. But did you just ignore the part where it explains they were originally planned? xD

[strange falcon]

I saw that,
It was also brought to my attention that the opening ceremony for the 2020 tokyo olympic games featured solely videogame music from japanese companies

Japan doing gods work

[tulip sun]

I can't even imagine how different things would be if we had no draenei and instead one faction only pandas

[young latch]

i'm still not sure how i feel about draenaei

they are very cool and one of the most unique things alliance has

but they still seemed like a strange choice for the first race alliance got

as an addition to base races

[dense plover]

i think they wanted to avoid framing the horde as the non-human race faction

hence the goat-hooved tentacle-bearded blue aliens

[tulip sun]

Pandaren would've done that too, but makes sense.

[young latch]

I think the draenai still kind of mirror the blood elves in terms of "thin women, broad men, visually appealing attractive race"

as a pair

still kind of annoyed that they made the blood elf men buff because People complained about "the thin men are too feminine" when they're... elves....

and even changed the model

[strange falcon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1422536264851640320

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier)

Titles mean a lot in the corporate world.
Until 2018, Mike Morhaime was CEO.
When Brack took over, he was president.
Now, Oneal and Ybarra are described as "co-leaders."

A clear glimpse at who's really in charge: Bobby Kotick

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Twitter · Aug 3, 2021, 12:34 PM

[cunning fossil]

Oh shit

Brack is gond

Now Bobby needs to get out

[strange falcon]

Nah,he's literally the IRL cameo of gallywix,not even the full extent of the law can detach him from his seat

[mossy meteor]

bobby can't go

you'd have to convince like

every majority stakeholder

and board member

[strange falcon]

It was already a big exception they even THOUGHT about his salary

[cunning fossil]

Man fuck

On the bright side

The "Co Leaders" are relatively fresh hires that could help out in eliminating the toxic culture

Doesn't fix the issue fully mind you

I want a few more rolling heads personally

[strange falcon]

Just like brach was,they're a puppet show,they don't hold any actual power and do what kotick says

So this solves absolutely less than 0 and is just a PR gesture

[cunning fossil]

Oh I can see that

But Bobby has his own shit he's stepping in so he has to deal with that

Especially since the one's under his watch are slightly more egregious than even Cosby Suite

cough cough you know what I mean right?

[slender quest]

that's bs. While it is true that kotick has the real power it doesnt mean that a Blizzard CEO couldn't have prevented all of this.
JAB had the power to fire Afrasiabi much sooner and everyone else who was part of it

its not like you can get only fired if kotty gives the ok. He has no word in this at all. Someone in a position like kottick doesnt deal with smaller employes like that

JAB going is a good start. now everyone else who was part of this culture has to go too

if they didn't left already

[strange falcon]

As said in multiple interviews,not specifically related to blizzard,
When you're that high up in the corporate ladder,you have a large amount of protection which is why this abuse culture is so prevalent.

Most ppl high up are kept because of their work/ability that got them there, because they can mostly "protect" them if they're problematic

[slender quest]

This is true but as we see now, this people are not untouchable.
And I'm talking specifically about blizzard. JAB had the highes position in blizzard and hes gone now and I hope many more follow who are part of this

since you said JAB gone dont change anything. which I totally disagree with

[strange falcon]

They are untouchable,
JAB and every other corporate fired over a controversy.
Is more of a sacrificial lamb than a genuine gesture

They still get paid all their stocks and severance packages,face 0 repercussions for their actions other than finding a new job

It is a token gesture in its plainest form

[slender quest]

I think this has to be confirmed first? The investigation is still ongoing

Maybe people like a afrasiabi will face the law when the investigiation is finished. I dont know. I hope so

[strange falcon]

If they do it will be a first.
Every lawsuit to corporate entities has gone up in smoke

Every single time

Since 50+ years

[slender quest]

Even if JAB is an sacrificial lamb, its still good that hes gone.
Having now different people in the leadership means there is a chance that they are actually decent humans and will fire immediately any sexists and abusers

I cant tell much about those 2 new people , I dont know them but I dont believe they will do a more shitty job than JAB

time will tell

[strange falcon]

I've been told this is one of the two new "co leaders"
But take grain of salt with it
https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1411121732635684867

Mike Ybarra (@Qwik)

All 8 m+ 20s done - easy access to each m+ portal. :) @Warcraft

Twitter · Jul 3, 2021, 12:36 AM

[silent urchin]

it is

no grain of salt needed

it's been his twitter for years

[slender quest]

is this bad or good ?

[silent urchin]

He's also in a mythic raid guild, they were US 77th for sire

Although it seems like he's not part of the main raiding team

[strange falcon]

A lot of ppl are not part of topguilds raidteams but they still in the guild for a reason

[mossy meteor]

ybarra is legit good

and jen's studio has done good so far

they're behind D2:R

and everyone that tried it says it's good

[strange falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869853456536588321/872118196025589790/unknown.png

Literally went down 4 whole dollars in 30mins

[cunning fossil]

Call me a skeptic but I'm kinda glad/ worried at the same time. Cuz like.
I am what u would consider a casual player, I do hope that they do things to help us and not just top bois.

Not saying his achievements are bad. They're certainly better than mine but yeah. I like being able to play at a more casual level. Hopefully it doesn't hurt my experience

[silent urchin]

It's hard to say exactly what caused the dip, a bunch of game stocks dropped in overnight trading, the dip there is in the first 30m after opening

[cunning fossil]

Oh the bright side, him being a co leader helps him be more in touch with the community

[strange falcon]

new wowhead article new drama

○ WilmerHale used anti-collective action tactics in their work with Amazon & Uber [4]. ○ In media portrayals, WilmerHale is regularly referred to as a “Union Busting Firm” [5, 6, 7]. We are already seeing the effects of this ideology in actions that leadership has taken to restrict our freedom of association since last week, including reducing the size of listening sessions and limiting access to those sessions.
● The WilmerHale partner leading this investigation, Stephanie Avakian, specializes in protecting the wealthy and powerful.

[dense plover]

Honestly, Brack leaving was one of the things I wanted to happen for me to return to wow

Not the only thing, but it was in my top 5

[strange falcon]

you left?

[cosmic beacon]

you right?

[unborn glacier]

you up?

[mossy meteor]

you down?

[strange falcon]

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1422653540774907907

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier)

NEWS: Blizzard's head of HR, Jesse Meschuk, is also no longer at the company, Bloomberg has learned https://t.co/3m9EHejVxc

Twitter · Aug 3, 2021, 8:20 PM

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that sounds about right

[strange falcon]

new tiridan profile pic pog

[dense plover]

i havent decided

my sub auto renews mid-september

i have calendar notifications to cancel unless stuff changes

[unborn glacier]

oof

[dense plover]

the leadership and HR changes are a big part of it

but i also want a statement or update or roadmap on whats going on with wow

should we expect 2 more full patches? whats going on with development? etc

[pulsar minnow]

I agree 100%

I loved Shadowlands as a concept but now I feel almost as if it’s never going to be fully explored due to Covid and the workplace protests

[dense plover]

a simple "we will be doing 2 more full patches, and pushing the next expac announcement until next blizzcon in order to ensure that we get to tell the story we set out to tell" would satisfy me

[young latch]

Me too. It’s sad, but if the company ultimately changes for the better, I’ll take that loss.

Idk if it ever will with Kotik though

And madam war crimes

[strange falcon]

You mean "madam literally defending torture"

[young latch]

and actually letting some of it carry out while working under Bush

yes

[strange falcon]

I mean we've seen with "lootboxes are surprise mechanics" from EA that corporate has no shame saying evidently false things, I'd say they'd even try arguing "water is not wet"

[strange falcon]

Cant confirm source but if this is true,its funny as hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/nichegamer/status/1422594998160265216?s=20

Niche Gamer (@nichegamer)

Chinese state media have described online games as "spiritual opium," causing tech giant Tencent to lose almost $60 billion USD in stock value.
➡ Read More: https://t.co/wYDlzsk71T

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Twitter · Aug 3, 2021, 4:27 PM

[pallid pawn]

"I WiLl nEvEr sErVe!!"

Sylvanas says, after the Jailer has gotten back his full power, turned Anduin into Arthas 2.0, burned Teldrassil, killed Saurfang, brought back Jaina's dead bro to fuck her over...

Where did the lore go so off

[strange falcon]

this is not really a lore channel o.o,i'd suggest going to lore discords for it

[pallid pawn]

Yea i know

It is a spoiler tho

[strange falcon]

not really,it's ingame

for at least 2 or 3 weeks

[slender quest]

this channel is being used mostly for lore so its ok I guess to talk about lore

[slender quest]

also in her mind she did not serve. She thought she is in a equal partnership and I'm almost sure this is exactly how they will describe it in the sylvanas novel

[young latch]

I'm looking forward to reading that one.

I hope it's decent?

[slender quest]

me too

[tropic trail]

I'm conflicted about the new Korthia chapter

So Uther goes "I should have shown Arthas compassion" but then goes to cleanse the grain? Why didn't Arthas do the same if it was that simple?

[strange falcon]

[terse patrol]

Wot?

@tropic trail

[tropic trail]

You didn't do the latest chapter of the campaign?

[uncut vault]

the issue in stratholme wasnt just the grain, it was that it had already been dispersed to the city and eaten by the populace

[tropic trail]

And my issue is that Uther was in Stratholme in this scenario, cleansing grain

[uncut vault]

the stratholme bit wasnt really a clear-cut memory

it was a mushing together of a lot of his trauma

hence why the young paladins and alonsus can be in the same place as a post-Stratholme Arthas

and have uther running around killing paladins haha

[tropic trail]

But cleansing grain wasn't one of his original memories, because he just fucked off outta Stratholme after the "You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Arthas" line

[jagged wigeon]

Super tempted to buy physicals of the WoW games

All second hand market

But I love having physicals

[pulsar minnow]

Say what you will about Blizzard, I really loved the 15th Anniversary Collectors Edition. The Ragnaros Statue is awesome.

The Shadowlands one is also pretty cool

[jagged wigeon]

Ragnaros is just a cool designed character

[pulsar minnow]

Someone made a great comment in there. The Jailer acquires the Infinity Sigils and half the players disappear

[jagged wigeon]

It’s honestly my biggest hope that this will prove to be a good thing for WoW players in the long run

Not even just WoW

But every title under Blizzard

[tropic trail]

His memories were also happening out of order at different points

They were jumbled because they were scarred

Etc etc

Y u tag me at midnight

[unborn glacier]

Its not midnight

owo Its 6 pm

[tropic trail]

It's 1 AM here, so you were right anyway

STOP PINGING ME

Actually I'm gonna turn wifi off lol

[mossy meteor]

Imagine going to bed at 1am

Smh

[dense plover]

Makes sense

They need more class people in order to be able to actually balance them and fulfill the fantasy

[slender quest]

Dark Ranger is the real shit

[unborn glacier]

Unholy DK

[cunning fossil]

Oh god More class designers hallelujah

And a PVP designer

Possible new modes??

[mossy meteor]

yeah

maybe

[young latch]

give me a cloth tank, that's all I want

😐

and something that isn't death or demon themed again

[unborn glacier]

Lol

[cunning fossil]

I would be down for something cool

[ancient jasper]

Just do a Survival type rework of Unholy and make it the Necromancer spec. xD

[unborn glacier]

It already is

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but it’s not like the classic necromancer with the robes and ranged spell-oriented gameplay

They maybe could make an “anima weaver” spec and have one of the specs be Necrolord themed with the other two being a spell blade of sorts with Bastion spell effects, and a healer that could maybe be something like a Venthyr as a sort of edgy healer

[frigid crater]

bard when 👀

[mossy meteor]

[unborn glacier]

That's not the playable archetype I'm Blizzard games.

[young latch]

i feel like it's the strongest choice for a class since it's such a core fantasy class in literally everything

if you wanna argue for tinkers, fine. i guess. mechanists are solid too. I just think they're not as broad.

[strange falcon]

now my messages were deleted

im not typing all that again

[balmy gate]

I always liked the idea of adding a new talent tree to classes, rather than build an entirely new class. They could keep the class core abilities, but only need to come up with the spec specific abilities. Something like this:
Time spec for Mage, themed around bronze dragonflight.
Ranged Necro spec for DK.
Tinker spec for rogue.
Dragoon spec for warriors, themed around black dragonflight.
Witch Doctor for shaman, incorporate shadow magics.

[cosmic beacon]

Would be cool

Yo a dh caster would be dope

Then again it’d basically be a warlock

[balmy gate]

It would be similar, no doubt, but thematically different. Rather than using shadow/fel, Necro could have more death magics. They took metamorphosis from warlock to give to demon hunters. I'm sure they can make compromises somewhere to allow the split.

[cosmic beacon]

True

A new class would be cool, like a bard but it’s definitely easier just making a few new specs

[balmy gate]

I think Blizz gets pigeonholed when they decide they can only add a class that matches the theme of an expansion. We didn't get a death themed class for Shadowlands, but instead all races/allied races can be death knights.

Mechagon would have been a great time to add Tinkers. Shadowlands would have been a great time to add Necromancer. They didn't. Certainly seems like they have no plans to.

[cosmic beacon]

[unborn glacier]

Already exists

[young latch]

i think it's odd that they didn't make the jetpack a permanent mount

same w/ the fairy dust in ardenwealde

[strange falcon]

technically tinkers exist in the game,it's the goblin and gnomes AI teams for island expeditions

one uses bots to heal,one uses a mech to tank,the other has a gun and turrets

[cosmic beacon]

goblins and gnomes with engineering

[young latch]

tinkers could be legit fun

i think they'd probably be exclusive to the short races

but i still think bard has more wide appeal

and shadowlands feels like it is constantly referencing playing music

which is sus to me

[strange falcon]

problem with bard is on gameplay level
if the buffs are too OP but the dmg they deal is shit,then at least 1 is always brought to raids just for buffs

if buffs are too weak,but dmg is too high,then it's brought for dmg
if both are too low then it gets the surv hunter treatment

[young latch]

i think a wow bard would not be a buff class

i think it would be a rythm game based play style

and it would probably have supporty assistance spells like paladin and shaman do

i would like to see classes based more on "fun playstyle" than "which has to be taken to this specific raid and why"

also if bard/dancer were combined into one class it would be nice to have another ranged non magic dps class other than hunter

[strange falcon]

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1257381214538915842
https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1257381215604289544
https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1423102578145980419

Josh Sawyer (@jesawyer)

8 years ago I applied for a lead writer position at a big company. They asked me where I would start looking for inspiration for their game, I said I'd look at the defined theme and go out of the genre to see how that theme is explored elsewhere. They were visibly horrified. https://t.co/i6Tk8gehbJ

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Twitter · May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

Josh Sawyer (@jesawyer)

All four guys (ofc, lol) expressed incredulity that I wouldn't immediately dive into the most obvious pop culture touchstones that everyone references. No more than 45 minutes after the interview, I got the rejection call. Truly epic.

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Twitter · May 4, 2020, 6:46 PM

Josh Sawyer (@jesawyer)

IIRC:

• Ensemble (~2003 - "We think you should keep making RPGs.")
• Blizz (~2012 - Called almost immediately after a lunch interview to be told they weren't interested lol/rips)
• Riot (Can't remember the year, just didn't seem like a great fit either way) https://t.co/1RgPdzGeSz

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Twitter · Aug 5, 2021, 2:04 AM

[unborn glacier]

I mean, Blizz is right tho. You don't go outside of a genre to wrote for a fantasy game

[tulip sun]

Yrue

True*

[strange falcon]

i think he was meaning to say,he looks at how non-fantasy media portrays fantasy elements

because fantasy elements in the fantasy genre are almost always portrayed copy and paste-ish

you know,be original?

[unborn glacier]

That's not being original. That's importing one genre into another.

[dense plover]

^

It’s not some revolutionary method

It’s clear misunderstanding of what makes a fantasy

The right answer isn’t pop culture

It’s to dive into the inspirations of fantasy

folklore, fairytales, myths, legends and fables

German folklore is the source of monsters like kobolds and gnolls

So why not see how you can take old folklore and turn it into something new and unique

Your own twist

What if you decided that your deity that sleeps beneath the world isn’t actually one diety - maybe it’s several. Now each continent is a sleeping god

This is similar to Hawaiian or Pacific Islander folklore

But it’s your own twist

That’s how you write fantasy

Source - I create worlds for DND ALL THE TIME. I like world building and pulling in pop culture or from existing material isn’t bad but pulling from sci-fi or from westerns is risky

Because it risks isolating your world from any genre

And losing its foothold

[strange falcon]

peach D&D chad

does peach do GM leading,or only story building as a player

[terse patrol]

I still wait Polynesian ogres.

Fight me.

[unborn glacier]

WoW has done well with funny pop culture references. They do need to not base the overarching story on pop culture and instead take fun inspiration from real life mythology, folklore, fairytales and other entries in the Fantasy genre.

I'm glad Peach and I agree on this.

[tulip sun]

I lovvveeee mythology and folklore. Stuff.

World building is fun

[dense plover]

Both

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[young latch]

I also agree with this I think he gave a bad answer.

While I agree that it’s good to read widely and think about themes, please don’t give people a smoothie when they order a carrot cake.

[unborn glacier]

Exactly

[strange falcon]

41 new job posting for WoW, 39 Retail Positions, 2 Classic Positions.

Of which:
1 Rigging,3 server, 1 technical designer, 1 for "tools reliability" (aka the engine is easy to use), 6 engine,1 UI,
1 "knowledge manager" for ordering documentation,aka something new

This feels like they're trying to remake the engine or at least heavily tinker with it so they dont have to be bogged down by 2004 spaghetti code fucking them up

[dense plover]

I imagine now that Microsoft is no longer supporting Windows 7, it means wow doesn’t have to either

Which means they can push the engine a bit

Similar to how FFXIV upgrades when they drop previous gen console support

[silent urchin]

Maybe. Feels a bit late to be starting an engine project for the next expansion though. And apparently they already dropped dx9 support a while back, so I'm not sure there's much win 7 specific that will save time

[strange falcon]

What i meant is that they're most likely cleaning up the engine heavily to make sure its not slowing them down,
Remember when they said they couldnt add more slots to the main backpack,because it would break the entire rest of the game.

But then they did add 4 more slots and it did break a lot of things(though probably caused by other fixes not specifically that)

At the core,the baseline,they still have old 2004 core running

[dense plover]

Not late assuming they plan to actually support shadowlands for 2 more full patches

[unborn glacier]

The majority of the ancient code was replace during Legion and BFA

Peach was the one that brought that info to us in here.

[unborn glacier]

I'm so glad WoW is not on Consoles for this reason mostly. Its not being held back by old hardware.

[mossy meteor]

they already dropped support for every nvidia and amd card that isn't officially supported anymore

at SL prepatch

[unborn glacier]

https://twitter.com/QuestTheLine/status/1423402281068752896?s=20

Johnny Cash 💙 (@QuestTheLine)

Hey there @Warcraft and #GameDev friends - we're looking for Quest Designers to join us in crafting the next chapter of Azeroth's story!

Especially interested in finding people from diverse backgrounds who can tell stories from different perspectives. Ones we haven't heard yet!

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Twitter · Aug 5, 2021, 9:55 PM

[tulip sun]

Id love to do that someday tbh. But I'm also nowhere near blizz xD

Or have any real experience

[strange falcon]

https://today.in-24.com/News/189315.html

[cunning fossil]

ActiBlizz just why

I know this is how it works more info gets released, the better the argument

But good God. You would think it isn't endless

And each one is wielder than the last

[strange falcon]

it is endless as long as ppl are willing to release more info,
its better for outrage metrics to have a dripfeed of evidence come out to keep the subject relevant on social media rather than have it all out the first day,then everyone forgets about it

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/oz55i2/to_the_good_people_of_world_of_warcraft/

[strange falcon]

ay we got more https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1423660406644649985
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1423668331618439168/photo/1 @cunning fossil

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier)

NEW: An in-depth look at Blizzard's sexist culture, based on interviews with more than 50 current and former employees. How the company fostered sexual harassment, untouchable rock stars, and blatant discrimination.

And a truly wild opening anecdote: https://t.co/6iZDfWmY4x

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Twitter · Aug 6, 2021, 3:01 PM

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier)

Despite these problems, many women said they still loved many aspects of Blizzard. But over the past 3-4 years, Activision has stepped in and made things tougher in countless ways, eroding the parts of Blizzard's culture that were healthy and beloved https://t.co/6iZDfWmY4x

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Twitter · Aug 6, 2021, 3:32 PM

[cunning fossil]

Christ.

This is a big part

To say explicitly that Activision helped erode what Blizzard somewhat was about

NOT defending blizz

But it is clearer now to say that Activision did have a hand in speeding up the deterioration

[strange falcon]

comparing activision to the eye of sauron tho

[cunning fossil]

Yeah lmao

It's so cartoonishly bad it's laughable yet not

[strange falcon]

I heard you didnt have enough of the situation @cunning fossil
https://mobile.twitter.com/BDoodles/status/1423687432797491202?s=19
https://mobile.twitter.com/Faience/status/1423722505097854980?s=19

Brissia Jiménez 💙 (@BDoodles)

My Story of Bullying, Harassment & Racism at Blizzard Entertainment

https://t.co/NisHwhc9qc

Now its all out in the open and I can truly move on. This is my truth and perhaps Ive toned it down for the sake of the reader but I know there are those that were there to witness this

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Twitter · Aug 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

Elizabeth 💙 (@Faience)

I’m exhausted. I can’t overstate the depth of the morale hit caused by the Blizzard lawsuit. And not just the ongoing stream of terrible stories, but the feeling of complete helplessness. The entire gaming industry regularly abuses employees, and any change will take time.

Twitter · Aug 6, 2021, 7:07 PM

[cunning fossil]

Why thanks

[slender quest]

not working

[strange falcon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/frances-townsend-has-stepped-down-as-executive-sponsor-of-the-abk-womens-network-323694 @slender quest

[tropic trail]

I wonder why Darion Mograine doesn't use Shadowmourne. It's not like we haven't seen lore characters wield weapons that are in our possession

Like Xal'Atath in BfA

Since Shadowmourne is crafted using Arthas' old hammer, it could have some lore implications

[vocal flint]

because by lore shadowmourne was made by an " adventurer "

unlike the other known weapons that were made by npcs instory

is shadowmourne even canon at this point

[tropic trail]

Of course it is?

[ancient jasper]

Yes, but not enough for anyone to comment on it beyond the few that do in that current expansion.

[dense plover]

well boys, until we get a roadmap - Im done for now

this is the first time ive cancelled my sub that wasnt for monetary reasons

but the expac feels like it isnt going anywhere, and we know nothing about whats going on with future patches, with the story, or with the wow dev team and the lawsuit

hopefully ill be back when things are looking better

i might still participate on the
if things turn around. add me as a friend on discord if you want to talk outside of this channel. Ill probably still be here talking occasionally and giving my thoughts.

❤️

[upper pasture]

have we ever gotten a roadmap?

[dense plover]

no

but we also havent had an expac be in limbo like this

usually we get a date for the next ptr or something when the patch launches or shortly after

and we get a basic roadmap at blizzcon

we got nothing for shadowlands

and its a mess

[upper pasture]

gamescon is like 2 weeks away doesn't blizzard normally attend that and normally we get something there?

[dense plover]

yeah

but idk if theyll be there

considering the lawsuit

the dev team

and how silent theyve been

[upper pasture]

who knows

[dense plover]

they dont usually surprise us with this kind of stuff

they let us know

[upper pasture]

they did one year

5 days before gamescon they announced they would be there

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ill hold my tongue

[upper pasture]

they have a lot of things going down so who knows

[dense plover]

but either way i cant support blizz with all of the terrible shit going on there

not right now

[upper pasture]

meh, my sub was paid for by a blizz employee so.. its money out of their pocket

[dense plover]

my sub is going to lapse in september and im just gonna let it lapse

i havent been able to motivate myself to play after the lawsuit stuff came out

[strange falcon]

This contains the most recent info
https://youtu.be/8QkCUbtPT1s
(For ppl not interested in watching,hes reading the latest bloomberg article about blizzard higherups being rockstars)

[cunning fossil]

Have a good one Peach. Hopefully we can see you on a better Azeroth in the future

[cosmic beacon]

[mossy meteor]

i'm looking forward to this week's chapter

just out of curiosity

i dont have any expectations, since i know it won't be a long questline or anything

@dense plover will you be around for 9.2 ptr, whenever it comes

[silent urchin]

Is it chapter 9 this week? Do we finally find out what was so secret it couldn't be on PTR?

[slender quest]

how do you know it won't be a long questline ?

[mossy meteor]

yeah

[slender quest]

The reason why it couldn't be on ptr is because it would give away the raid ending cinematic plot.
Like Sylvy surviving and the Jailer escaping

[dense plover]

I might. It depends on blizz stuff being resolved for me to actually play

I will at least be in the channel and react to stuff

[strange falcon]

I found the less nice term for borrowed power https://youtu.be/xwHJqXKwRKM

[dense plover]

borrowed power isnt actually what bothers me

[strange falcon]

I know,was a nice segway tho

[unborn glacier]

It's a a definite big problem that the majority dislike

[dense plover]

but its not why shadowlands is meh

its the story, the weird endgame, and the lack of explanation

we still dont know why anything is happening even a little

why did the jailer target sylvanas?

why is he after azeroth?

why did sylvanas think he would help her?

[unborn glacier]

The story is the least of concerns tbh

[slender quest]

I guess some of this questions will be only answered with the Sylvanas book

so you have to wait for 2022

[slender quest]

Agree. People don't leave because of the story

the most dont even care who play wow

I hope we will get some informations this month about the next patch. maybe even a 9.1.5 ptr build

[strange falcon]

8.1.5 D:

[slender quest]

oh

😄

I mean 9.1.5

[pulsar minnow]

I’m honestly just sick and tired of this style of writing for Shadowlands. Every single individual story beat is a reveal for some reason

And nobody knows what’s going on or where we’re going. Heck, the Primus who’s been telling us about how “Zovaal must not reach the sepulcher!” Still has not told us what the sepulcher is after we freed him like 5 weeks ago

And the Elune stuff is just full of plotholes

[dense plover]

uh - thats part of why i did

[slender quest]

I guess I should've said "the most" don't leave because of the story

[dense plover]

I feel like the players who don’t raid and who stick around are the players like me who care for the story and lore

And the fact that they just wrote off chronicles as not canon was the first of many straws that eventually broke the camels back

Definitely never buying another wow book

Even though I enjoy Goldens writing

(I know chronicles isn’t golden)

[slender quest]

I don't know. I think there are a bunch of people who do care for the story but its a small % of the whole playerbase. Similar to RPers but RPers are even a smaller group

[dense plover]

its a hardcore percent tho

[slender quest]

A lot of people just play lfr and collect mogs andf stuff

[dense plover]

ive literally never unsubbed as an adult

the previous time was when i was a teen and didnt have the income

[slender quest]

true true. I say those people who do care for the story are the hardcore fans

[dense plover]

and that was between cata and mists

[slender quest]

the most loyal ones

[unborn glacier]

Anecdotal. We know the majority of the people leaving are doing so because of the systems in the game. The lore plays little to why.

[ancient jasper]

Uh.. Where did you get those statistics, Baifeng?

[uncut vault]

People absolutely do

as an RPer, most people I know who have left faded away because of the story since the start of BfA

most people were holding out hope that Shadowlands might deliver something after the mess that was BfA, and it hasnt

and has only gotten worse in ostracizing people who care about the established lore and areas

leaving multiple races in absolute shambles and then entirely ignoring them beyond their isolated leaders (or former leaders) was one of the worst possible plans to follow up on BfA's faction story

[slender quest]

I corrected myself already above. Most people who left wow dont do this specifically because of the story. Most people of the entire wow playerbase dont care about the lore

[uncut vault]

Thats true, I guess, but the people who do care are bigger than just the hardcore small minority

[pulsar minnow]

I don't think you can say "most players care about xyz."

A good story is a good story and can be enjoyed by all

A good story does nothing but help the game

[slender quest]

good story or not, the most people (and yes, you can absolutely say that) skip quests, cinematic and dont buy wow lore books

there are even super popular raider addons who skip cinematics by default

[pulsar minnow]

I don't really think saying "most" is true. Yes, most don't really care about the lore books, but I'd say that most people do have some attachment to the "WORLD" of Warcraft and do watch cinematics when they see them.

[slender quest]

mhh I don't think anyone of us can prove any numbers so let's just say we agree to disagree and dont have a useless discussion that leads us nowhere 🙂

[strange falcon]

I keep forgetting you have a twitter every time

[austere gazelle]

I came to WoW because of the Lore, I was passionnate about it. The peak was chronicles and Legion, and then came BFA which was... poopy storytelling imo, then shadowlands, could have stood firm, because the shadowlands themselves are interesting and full of story to be told, but when they try to link it with previous stuff its a giant mess that leave lots of plothole, add to that the mismanagement of character like Sylvanas and Elune, and the retcon of Chronicles who's even laughed upon in Grimoire of Shadowlands ( they could have avoided adding 'insults' to this topic but they felt the need to trash it through a " character PoV", that made me very uneasy when I read that part tbh )
If it was not for my friends, I would have dropped the game. And many of them are leaving progressively so... It might just be a matter of time.
Was excited by wow lore before, now I just await the next reveal as " How they'll destroy it next time ? "

[coarse quail]

The lote is amazing men

Idk what u r talking about.

Sl is Very fun.

[strange falcon]

https://i.redd.it/g733b7p4zif71.png
Blizz forgot what they said themselves

[sullen dawn]

Is there supposed to be a cinematic associated with this weeks quest?

[slender quest]

Yes, at least 1

[sullen dawn]

awesome

maybe something CG

[languid fog]

Does the PTR generally get updated at the same time as Live?

I mean they are both the same build rn

[languid fog]

yeah I think its a big one, thats why it wasn't on PTR this week.

[sullen dawn]

hopefully. something like the saurfang cinematics would be a good way of trying to get some excitement going again in the story

otherwise it feels a bit like 'intermission' time hah

[languid fog]

still haven't heard from Nathanos or Saurfang yet

[sullen dawn]

hah they can leave nathanos hanging for all i care

gimme a look at whats next, an arthas tease, and im happy

[slender quest]

They confirmed there will be no Saurfang in shadowlands. Nathanos will appear later (9.2 or 9.1.5 I guess)

[sullen dawn]

whats the point in nathanos anymore

[languid fog]

oh damn, they just binned him off then lol

[sullen dawn]

when do the US servers reset?

3-4 hours from now-ish?

[languid fog]

nah like an hour

[slender quest]

Not sure. But Steve Danuser said something like there will be a scene with him and Sylvanas in the future

[languid fog]

wondering if the PTR will update the same time as Live tho

[sullen dawn]

if i were nathanos id be pissed

[slender quest]

Why ? I mean sure you would, but pissed on the jailer 😄

[strange falcon]

Saurfang got turned into a trinket

[slender quest]

I know. that's so funny 🤣

[sullen dawn]

yer true i have him equpped

[slender quest]

I got the garrosh trinket

[sullen dawn]

well i t looks like arthas might be a sword atm too

[slender quest]

11/10 that's Arthas soul in the sword

[sullen dawn]

ye or hoggers

[slender quest]

no hogger is the Jailer in disguise

[unborn glacier]

Saurfang is a trinket in SoD

[unborn glacier]

Definitely not happening.

[languid fog]

yeah i didnt realise lol i don't raid

[slender quest]

But I want a Sylvanas CGI in the same style when Saurfang was all sad in the prison
She wakes up, reunited with her courage/love soul part. feeling very bad and all that heartbreaking stuff

telling us how she can't forgive herself and that we need to stop the jailer

https://tenor.com/view/dog-triste-puppy-dog-eyes-pout-sad-gif-17447258

[unborn glacier]

Cx

I think Saurfang turning into a trinket is fitting

[pulsar minnow]

All Sylvanas deserves is for Jaina to walk up and slap her across the face and tell her how stupid she is for “not serving” but serving the whole time

[terse patrol]

I think Blizzard’s turning to focus hard on 9.2 and 10.0. Or they’re writing off Shadowlands and are going to phone the ending in.

[languid fog]

@slender quest Fuck yeah
this is my mental image at the end of the cutscene

"Lets get justice... little lion"

[terse patrol]

The portal the Jailer opened looked like time magic to me.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s First One stuff. The same spell effect found in So’leah’s artifact from Tazavesh

[slender quest]

oh my god that Photoshop edit is so good! ❤️

[languid fog]

Its incredible right

[slender quest]

yes its mine now

https://tenor.com/view/its-mine-lotr-golem-my-precious-sméagol-gif-14477595

[languid fog]

I had to make do with this one, I am not that skilled

blue eyes, job done lol

[languid fog]

the portal looks amazing

[upper pasture]

Oh boy. It’s also the same spell effects from guardian of the first ones fight too

[mossy meteor]

go NA people

go go go

do the 1k anima weekly, it's 5 minutes

you just need 1 renown to unlock the chapter

[pulsar minnow]

Yep

[slender quest]

anyone streaming it ?

[pulsar minnow]

I’ll be on soon to do it

I pray they don’t just instantly forgive her

[languid fog]

cries in British

I need to watch a stream

[pulsar minnow]

The best way for this to go is for ion to appear in-game and just release the 9.2 trailer in the cinematic

[languid fog]

port to Oribos and project a 1000ft telescreen

[mossy meteor]

im gonna check ptr

can't copy characters

[mystic heart]

checked

not up

[pulsar minnow]

getting anima now

[mossy meteor]

aww it's not up on the ptr

[pulsar minnow]

ill tell you guys what happens in case i finish it earlier than wowhead

[languid fog]

If you’re streaming it I’ll watch

[strange falcon]

chad tiridan

[mossy meteor]

https://www.twitch.tv/thdlock

thd is stremaing

hes got the final quest i think

cant find a turn in

lol

@pulsar minnow the quest is bugged lol

[silent urchin]

amazing

[pulsar minnow]

im honestly not surprised

[slender quest]

I'm annoyed

[mossy meteor]

you cant turn it in

[slender quest]

I hope they will fix it asap

[mossy meteor]

thrall just doesnt exist

[pulsar minnow]

I have a feeling we'll see Zovaal in this chapter though

since his hammer and new model are in the data

[mossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8oTtEzFHK0

[terse patrol]

Ah, cool. Even less answers.

[mossy meteor]

see ya in 9,2

[slender quest]

We have to see how the quests goes

This cinematic adds nothing that we didn't knew already. I hope the end quest text tells more

[mossy meteor]

well

[terse patrol]

It’s funny watching the crap in game models watch the higher quality new Shadowlands Anduin/Sylvanas models that have lip sync and expressions.

[mossy meteor]

it seems that zovaal let's anduin have thoughts

[terse patrol]

For now*

[mossy meteor]

it's probably a leash

[terse patrol]

They did this so he could be saved.

[mossy meteor]

"here little lion, have some of your own thoughts"

[terse patrol]

They’re setting it up as a “race against time to save him before he turns completely”

[mossy meteor]

yeah

[slender quest]

So do they save Sylvanas new "state" for the next patch ? next cinematic ?

I hoped at least to see something. I mean the title "What lies ahead" doesnt make sense if this is how the quest ends

[terse patrol]

Would be cool if Arthas freed himself and ends up being the one saving Anduin from the fate he himself experienced. Like, we don’t ask Arthas for help, nor do we free him. He just does it because he’s a badass.

[slender quest]

Because it doesnt tell us what lies ahead that we didnt knew the moment we did the raid

[mossy meteor]

the cutscene no

but maybe the quest

the quest was bugged

wowhead datamined the igc

[pulsar minnow]

well thats likely just the normal in-game cutscene. We don't know if it's the end of this chapter

the very first quest of the chapter is bugged

and if i remember correctly there were 4 encrypted cinematics this patch, and we've only seen 3.

[storm marsh]

question: is the new cutscene the encrypted cinematic we were waiting for?

[mossy meteor]

Yes

There were 3 encrypted cinematics

Intro, raid and elune

[pulsar minnow]

yeah you're right

[storm marsh]

was hoping for another regular cinematic :S

[pulsar minnow]

but again, Zovaal also has an encrypted model and we haven't seen it used yet outside of the cinematic (which isn't like exactly the same model)

[slender quest]

so when can we expect to get a hotfix for the quest campaign ?

today or tomorrow ?

[pulsar minnow]

before EU reset because NA is just beta testing

[slender quest]

haha

[pulsar minnow]

now i understand blizzard is in some crap right now, it still blows my mind that nobody managed to figure out that it's impossible to turn in the very first quest of this chapter.

especially on a chapter that very specifically was never pushed to PTR due to "spoilery stuff"

so, did anyone, like anyone, actually test this?

[strange falcon]

Too busy keeping themselves from going actually insane to do quality control

And the others werent even working in the first place

[pulsar minnow]

I called it

I knew the runes were what kept him bound to the maw

[strange falcon]

damn that deadsoul hatcher breaking into korthia from the rift

is the real lore reveal

[strange falcon]

sorry to interruptt your lore porter

we got news

https://twitter.com/Megan_Nicolett/status/1425109298544267266?s=20

Megan Farokhmanesh (@Megan_Nicolett)

Activision Blizzard shareholder/investment group SOC released a letter today demanding changes following management's "inadequate response" to the company's ongoing culture problems https://t.co/R0rmImcISB

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Twitter · Aug 10, 2021, 2:58 PM

[mossy meteor]

@uncut vault

Apparently there's a book from Mal'Ganis

In Korthia

[weary kernel]

wonder if hes referring to the Jailer coming for Azeroth herself.

or just generic death comes for xxx line.

(cuz been lots of talk lately azeroth is about to be repositioned/retconned into being the exact centre of reality/cosmology chart between the 6 cosmic forces - a position which might make it uniquely interesting/powerful etc to the jailer)

[uncut vault]

YEah I saw that

[mossy meteor]

Pics :(

[uncut vault]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/status/1425158893181673480?s=20

Portergauge 💙🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

More spoilers, also rather obvious but he's also going to be in the next patch

Twitter · Aug 10, 2021, 6:15 PM

[pulsar minnow]

hmmm so do you guys think this means the Jailer will be 9.2 and we'll cut this expansion short?

[weary kernel]

what players want: The jailer wins, unmakes reality. destroys the entire universe and wow is completely reset. we go back to fighting boars in the forest.

[slender quest]

I think there is a high chance for a 9.1.5 patch that will focus on lore (sylvanas specifically) and probably ending with 9.2 next year

[pulsar minnow]

holy crap

big reveal

[weary kernel]

well the bonus text ingame fter the campaign spells it out: we're going to the 'realm of the first ones'. they called it (first time namedroppedimo) Zereth Mortis.

[pulsar minnow]

Zereth Mortis

realm of the First Ones

Probably next patch or 9.3 if we get it

revealed in side dialogue between Ve'nari and Tal-Galan

[pulsar minnow]

also btw as for that Sylvanas stuff with the good side and bad side, we got an answer to how shattered souls work

[plain violet]

as if is important here.

[slender quest]

Yes I have seen that one. Basically saying that are no bad and good parts and that losing a part of your soul just makes you "consciousness" of your decisions. (not being able to actually think through your choices you make properly)

[plain violet]

Yup more like it.

Is it really you, your whole being, etc.

[deep pawn]

Uther was stuck in Anger and Vengeance and Despair

Sylvanas was more Panic and Fear and Despair

[slender quest]

which leads to the same plot anyway just with a less black and white thing

[deep pawn]

But adrenaline and fear do not justify anything Sylvanas did

[slender quest]

justify no, but explains why she did stuff that she usually would not (usually = her whole self)

[plain violet]

We know too her fragment was tortured by Zovaal as a way to manipulate her without knowing.

(The fairy tales book)

[slender quest]

Well with Sylvanas it's a bit different. It's not like she was mentally ill, she missed a part of her soul which made her not capable of doing the right decisions, or even feeling what a person would usually feel in such a situation

the plot will still go the same way as expected. Sylvanas will side with us in the new patch to fight the Jailer. What her end fate will be we have yet to see

[deep pawn]

We still jail or even execute psychopaths

[slender quest]

She is not a psychopath. Would you execute a "psychopath" who was healed/restored ?

[plain violet]

Shadowlands seem to ask a bit about what is vengeance and what is justice.

[slender quest]

Also with "we" you probably mean some parts of America? Where I come from we don't execute anyone

[deep pawn]

She knew the results of her actions, she just lacked any sort of empathy

At least until Anduin

[pulsar minnow]

Sylvanas is very much a psycho. She freed a god of death and burned an entire capitol full of people

what else do you call that?

[plain violet]

The Uther part (which was interesting), the Tyrande part, and of course us.

[slender quest]

someone who's missing an important part of her soul that would've prevented all of this decisions?

[pulsar minnow]

Missing a part of her soul or not she committed these actions. Her soul being reunited does not absolve her of the mistakes she made. As evidenced by the Anduin cinematic and the Uther stuff. She's still being evil

[plain violet]

Psychopathy is a very specific illness for someone who cannot feel empathy or moral restraints. Even if he would. But a psychopath is not a criminal or even one who will commit crime, even if it can happen.

[slender quest]

I don't think we can compare real world mental illness with some magical shenaningans 😅

[plain violet]

MadM doesn't seem to condone the actions : he point the difficulties we will have with.

[slender quest]

I agree. She was evil. I don't think she will remain evil or let me say it this way: I don't think the writers will continue writing her as a Villain/Evil

[plain violet]

A bit the same with Arthas in a way, he choosed his path, but was it really him at this moment, how to punish with compassion...

[pulsar minnow]

I don't think they will either. But if they even for a moment try to redeem someone who committed such heinous crimes and make them into a hero, i don't know what to think, because regardless of how her judgement was impared she did what she did. Just like how I think Arthas can't be fully redeemed either, since he still was behind his actions even with Frostmourne

[plain violet]

She would need to answer her crimes. How is another question.

[pulsar minnow]

By never touching azeroth again and studying under the Eternal Ones or something. I wouldn't be against that

[plain violet]

Plausible ! Never simple. :)

[slender quest]

I mean what do you think will happen? Redemption seems to be a word that everyone defines for himself in the wow community. When redemption can already be Sylvanas sacrificing herself to defeat the big bad. She would not be seen as a Hero, nor would everyone forgive her. Yet she would've still redeemed herself in some way.

Or even when her soul would go to revendreth and she would stay there for a while and do amend with her past. She would be redeemed. Doesn't matter if anyone would forgive her or not

[pulsar minnow]

I think Sylvanas is capable of being good again now that her soul is restored. She will be herself again. That being said, she still needs to be punished, and if they let her off scott-free I won't be happy after all that she's done.

[slender quest]

Well, how do you want her to be punished?

Killing her off would be wrong now, she being her whole self.
Sending her to revendreth? How, she still lives.
Sending her on a mission to restore Azeroth ?

[pulsar minnow]

Killing her off

locking her away in the shadowlands after we repair the veil

[slender quest]

Nope

[plain violet]

Revendreth is a punishment in itself.

[slender quest]

This won't happen. Judging from the narrative of wow

[pulsar minnow]

doesn't have to be us. it can be Zovaal

[slender quest]

Unless killing her off means for you = sacrificing herself to defeat the jailer?

[pulsar minnow]

Killing her off as in killing her off in the story. I just don't want her around the Horde or Alliance as some sort of friend in any way

locking her in the Shadowlands and setting her soul free works

[slender quest]

You have always to remember the big picture of wow storytelling.
Why and how would the writers want to end one of the most, if not the most popular characters storyline ?

[pulsar minnow]

because people are sick of her and want justice. look they killed off Arthas. They killed off Kel'thuzad in SoD. Killing off major characters has to happen eventually

[slender quest]

Those 2 options I have in mind
a) an epic selfsacrifice = soul being send to an afterlife (recvendreth or faerie one)
b) After we defeat the Jailer, Sylvanas herself wants to pay for everything she did in the past. She decides for herself (a narrative for Sylvanas being told long enough, about making her own decisions)

[slender quest]

Yes, but the perfect time where this could happen is gone now

if thats what they wanted to do, it would've happened in the raid

[pulsar minnow]

The Jailer could still kill her

[slender quest]

While still being alive? What would be the plot of this? It won't happen without a purpose

She saves Anduin and then the Jailer kills her off? Possible

Jailer just kills her off? 100% not

Sylvanas is about getting her own book in 2022, if you believe that they would just kill her off without a big show or some big purpose she would do, you being kidding yourself

[pulsar minnow]

Obviously i'm not going to write every single story beat, I never insinuated I was. I'm just saying she could simply die fighting the Jailer. I don't need to say why.

[slender quest]

Okay 🙂

[cunning fossil]

Fuck sylvanas slap on the wrist redemptioj

Personally, I will not accept something without actual dire consequence.

[sullen dawn]

im happy with the story ending with n'zoth tbh, the rest can kinda be considered fanfic

[plain violet]

Just gonna wait and see, hope it will have a nice little talk about justice again.

[cunning fossil]

I want a chill expac after this. I wanna do normal cool shit and feel like a character again.
Maybe I get to go to the psychiatrist and get diagnosed so I get a doctor's note and a small plot of land to call home.

#playerhousing

[plain violet]

"Tell me champion, do you still think about your mother ?"

Nothing is sure for post -Shadowlands, from my point of view. It's a so.. major point.

[deep pawn]

They can't get chill with the story

[cunning fossil]

Why not? I feel so detached from Azeroth

Like why do I give a shit about this living rock I sit on when I spend barely any time on it.

I don't have "memories" I fight for. I fight because I have to play content

I have more attachment to the SHADOWLANDS than Azeroth tbh

So lively and unique and I've spent more time with the characters I feel.

[deep pawn]

I'll be stunned if it's not Yrel that's the 10.0 raid boss

[cunning fossil]

I mean I wouldn't mind a small quest hmthat gives prompts like that, it'd be funny. And it'd add character to my character

[plain violet]

Ardenweald and Bastion are truly zones I do love.

[cunning fossil]

Necrolord forever >:D

Revendreth is awesome too

[plain violet]

Hey, just ask Moonberry, she's the perfect doctor !

[cunning fossil]

I love everyone there.

[plain violet]

Actually, I do really liked the special interaction Huln give us if you play Highmountain.

[deep pawn]

I love Maldraxxus

[plain violet]

It's litteraly "oh my, HULN ! I grow up with your stories, I LOVE YOU !"

[cunning fossil]

Woah reaklt?

[plain violet]

... And he respond gently, asking us to tell our stories, to make our ancestors and family proud.

[cunning fossil]

Please link I didn't know that

[deep pawn]

Bastion makes me salty cause Devos was right

[cunning fossil]

Bastion acknowledges that Devos is right in the end though

[plain violet]

Sure but it's in french, will try to access it in english next time. It's because I do play a highmountain hunter (and druid)

[cunning fossil]

Kyrestia herself admits that she should've listened

Swag tbh

I gotta level my hordies

[plain violet]

As you can see, you have two more choices (and dialogs) from Huln if you play Highmountain.

To translate it roughly, and resuming it :

"All my childhood, I have been lulled by your stories, exploits"

And Huln :

"Seeing you was heartwarming. Im happy Cenarius still gave us his blessing, and Im proud to see one of us helping the Shadowlands.
You know my story, at least the one from the living world. But my adventures didn't stop since my death !"
He laugh

"But please the old hunter I am, my young friend. Tell me one of your adventures"

[cunning fossil]

That's the good shit

[plain violet]

The second one :

"It's a honor to hunt by your side"

Huln :

"Me too, young child"

"Im proud of what you have accomplished here, and I know you will continue to honor us, to your ancestors eand myself, until it will be your turn to cross the veil"
"Do not forget, against all odds, we stand"

This being the "Highmountain stand"

Oh do I agree, it's the kind of details I do love. It was the same at the first night fae campain, if you play a Highmountain tauren, he instantly recognize the blessing of Cenarius and is happy to see us.

[cunning fossil]

So great

A whole expac of stuff like that would be perfect

[plain violet]

It expand how Huln is well... just a chill guy actually. Our kind of adventurer, champion.

Agree. 😁

[cunning fossil]

I know I keep harping on about it but ugh it just helps make the world feel alive

After every quest/quest chain I always talk to everyone near by, hoping to get some cool new dialogue

The convos between characters especially are awesome

[plain violet]

Same same. I play before all for the lore, the ambience. Wanting to defend the people, even if fictional. So seeing them talk help to have the feeling we have done something, to understand the consequences, of they feel about it.. How it affect the everyday lives.

[cunning fossil]

Agreeeed

[mossy meteor]

huh

[unborn glacier]

Not sure whats going on here

Or why it has to do with PTR

x3

[mossy meteor]

i mean the channel isn't for ptr only

it's a place where you can talk about spoilers

[upper pasture]

q

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/Skoll_Shorties/status/1425242130004463616?s=19

Skoll Shorties 💙 (@Skoll_Shorties)

A really cool tidbit that I hope WoW does more of is you didn't have to touch the raid to get the finale to the storyline. It shows you the cinematic, and it isn't a requirement to see what's to come next.

Really nice and hope they do this more. Not everyone gets to raid.

Twitter · Aug 10, 2021, 11:46 PM

https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/status/1425248936856473602?s=19

Steve Danuser 💙 (@SteveDanuser)

@Skoll_Shorties Thanks for sharing your reaction. This technique is something we wanted to try out to see if it resonated with the audience, especially those who don't necessarily reach the final boss of raids.

Twitter · Aug 11, 2021, 12:13 AM

[tropic trail]

I really dig this dialog with Uther, especially with regards to what it means for Sylvanas's soul being put back together

[royal coral]

So, I guess we'll go to Zereth Mortis, the realm of the First Ones in 9.2/9.3

[tropic trail]

Seems likely

[slender quest]

From the narrative/plot perspective, it means exactly what it was before. Just makes it less black and white and makes her character to stay true and not completely changing her like I first thought it would be

[tropic trail]

Meh, kinda shoots down all of the people saying that Sylvanas got the "good part" of her soul back

When really it's more like a snapshot in a time capsule

Or a previous patch

[slender quest]

It does, but at the end its still very similar. She didn't had a part of her soul that would make her not do all the shitty things she did. Now she got it back and she will think about it and feel very bad

Uthers last comments on this are very important here. Basically saying what Sylvanas will do now

The writiers put that on purpose

[tropic trail]

Not having the fragment of her soul didn't make her do what she did

[slender quest]

Yes it did

[tropic trail]

Nooo

[slender quest]

yes

[tropic trail]

It was a snapshot

[slender quest]

Uther says: Now that I have my soul restored made me think about all the choices he did

[tropic trail]

Yeah but it didn't take away those moments

[slender quest]

basically saying if Sylvanas or Uther had their soul from the very beginning restored they would made different choices

[tropic trail]

No?

[slender quest]

yes?

don't bother

[tropic trail]

Dude, look how he explains it. It was a piece of his consciousness frozen in time while the rest of his soul carried on. It wasn't a removed memory, emotion, thought process, or aspect of his personality. Getting it back just basically merged an old version of himself with a new version of himself, so the old memories would be as fresh as new ones basically

[slender quest]

I don't agree with you so don't try it. Let's just wait and see how it will plays out

[tropic trail]

So that's what he's reflecting on

...

[slender quest]

and don't call me a dude 😐

[tropic trail]

I said dude not a dude but virtue signal because we disagree, w/e

Don't have time for your toxic attitude

[slender quest]

I'm not toxic 😂

Because I disagree with you I'm toxic? 😄

you're the toxic one here. Everytime when someone disagrees with you you get so passive aggressive

[tropic trail]

I'm not the one that basically told me to shut up with my explanation and then decided to pick apart irrelevant vernacular. I didn't even say you were toxic for disagreeing I said you were toxic because of your behavior and attitude

But w/e

Wouldn't even let me finish typing and just said "don't bother I don't agree with you"

Rude af

[slender quest]

Right, because I know how a discussion starts when someone disagrees with you and Im tired of this. Last time was enough so don't bother.
When we disagree we should stop it right there and agree to disagree

[tropic trail]

Clearly

Problem solved 🥳

[slender quest]

👍

[unborn glacier]

Where?

[royal coral]

You can see this during a conversation between Venari and Talgalan

[tropic trail]

After you complete the current chapter, there's a convo you can start between Fatescribe Roh-Kalo and Ven'ari. They namedrop the place as the home of the First Ones

[royal coral]

It's obvious that the Sepulcher is in Zereth Mortis

[unborn glacier]

Ah, I didn't get to do it last night:(

[tropic trail]

Well yeah

[unborn glacier]

Raid started early

[tropic trail]

Ah rip

Yeah that's why I don't do raid days on Tuesdays

I'd rather knock out all of my weeklies first

[cunning fossil]

Oh yo they don't die?

[tropic trail]

The Fatescribe and Ven'ari? Why would they 🤔

[unborn glacier]

Wait... we killed Roh Kalo tho

[royal coral]

Nah it's not Roh'Kalo, it's Tal'galan

[tropic trail]

Tal-Galan whatever

Sorry they all look like the same floating lampshade to me

[royal coral]

😂

[cunning fossil]

Oh

I was about to say

[tropic trail]

Also the attendants are hyphens, not apostrophes

[tropic trail]

Yeah mb, I knew who I was talking about just used the wrong name

[unborn glacier]

UwU

You made a lil oopsie woopsie

[tropic trail]

I'm better with faces but he doesn't have one 😭

[unborn glacier]

UwU

[tropic trail]

@tropic trail As someone who's a quiet reader and rarely comments, I think you're a bit toxic. When it comes to the sylvanas topic I often see you bitch about everyone who don't agrees with you basically since bfa started (here on wowhead)

Also, I think both of you are right when it comes to the soul part of sylvanas.
With this quest text they took the "bad soul good soul" idea away but made it clear that when you're missing a part of your soul, you're not fully able to judge like you usually would do.
And the last part of Uthers dialogue is nothing else then foreshadowing what sylvanas will do. she will reflect her choices she made and will feel guilty (or something like this). The direction was made clear by the writers

sylvanas will fight with us against the jailer like everyone expected it to be.

[terse patrol]

Why does the First Ones “home” have the word “Mortis” in it.

I thought they made all creation

[tropic trail]

I mean, mortis and sepulcher have a common theme

[terse patrol]

Could just mean the tomb of the first ones.

Not their home

The Brokers kinda have flawed views of the Cosmos.

[tropic trail]

Meh, I was more going off of Ven'ari's dialog

[terse patrol]

They see Death as most important.

[tropic trail]

It's definitely subjective, for sure

[terse patrol]

Just going to seem very strange to me if the ones who made the universe are death themed.

When they made all the cosmos

[tropic trail]

It could just be one of many names for the place, and that's what denizens of the Shadowlands call it

Names are sometimes just names and not true indications of what something is, or of its purpose or intent

Usually it's pretty spot on, but there are still outliers

Hell, Erik the Red named Greenland its name because he wanted other Norse people to settle there

[vapid peak]

[tropic trail]

Noice

[vapid peak]

We got the titan PoV last year, we're getting the broker PoV this year, next year we gonna get the nathanos PoV

[strange falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2syg93jfvk

[upper pasture]

So speulcher raid so far will have
Sire D
Mal’ganis
Nathanos
The Jailer

Maybe Arthas fight too?

Ah Anduin fight too unless he gets lumped into the Jailer fight as a mechanic

[pulsar minnow]

I dont think Denathrius would actively try to help the Jailer again

Actually

no you're right

[upper pasture]

He’s pride will make him fight us again

[pulsar minnow]

If Mal'ganis is there, Denathrius would be there too

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mal’ganis fighting us with Sire D in the sword

[deep pawn]

I'm expecting a council of dreadlords rather than JUST mal'ganis

we've fought him enough

[upper pasture]

Tell that to Kel

And with Nathanos being there that means we forgive Sly enough to bring her to the final battle with the Jailer

[cunning fossil]

Nathanos is there?

Meaning I get to kill himAGAIN?

What a wet dream

[unborn glacier]

You didn't get to kill him the first time

[upper pasture]

i mean i'm assuming hes going to be there seeing as the Jailer kept his death from Sly and now that shes turned on him he will use that against her/us

[slender quest]

I think so too. I can see the Jailer turning Nathanos into some abomination/empowered tortured being just to hurt Sylvanas for siding with us now

[uncut vault]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1425543530039087105

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Wow Submission 2.5.2 Build 39757 just leaked Deprecated 9.1.5 Lua file :) "These are functions that were deprecated in 9.1.5, and will be removed in the next expansion." Well looks like the next PTR is 9.1.5.

Twitter · Aug 11, 2021, 7:43 PM

[silent urchin]

in before it's just twitter integration v2

[tropic trail]

9.1.5 will release this year and 9.2 next year. Seems almost like the expansion will end with 9.2

blizzconline will reveal the next expansion?

[pulsar minnow]

They could also reveal the final patch a few weeks prior like how they did for 8.3

[strange falcon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/diablo-4-game-director-blizzard-lead-level-designer-and-wow-designer-leave-323761
4 more ppl kicked out

[upper pasture]

yeah misleading title they didn't "leave" they got "let go"

[tropic trail]

The title says "Let Go"

Even the thumbnail says "let go from the company"

[silent urchin]

3 kicked out. Stockton seems to be in limbo for the moment at least

I believe Barriga was mentioned in several of the twitter threads about abuse

[upper pasture]

It didn’t at first it said leave

But glad to see they updated it

[silent urchin]

Maybe not, can't find anything that mentions him recently that isn't the news from the last 30 minutes

[upper pasture]

See how the link originally said leave @tropic trail

[tropic trail]

I rarely scan the ends of links, mostly look at the start and then header and subject

[upper pasture]

Yeah I did the same, I saw the link clicked it read it and the subject said let go and I commented and said it should be let go in the title not leave.

Cause the link is just what the title of the article is with an id attached.

[terse patrol]

Before people get excited, remember Blizzard released the selfie camera for a patch and that was a major feature.

so I wouldn't expect much from this .5 patch with all this madness going on

[unborn glacier]

It wasn't. Hirudumerx did an entire video on WoD and talked about this exact thing. Blizzard was trying to go back to the old patch style in WoD but due to the backlash from players believing it was meant to be a major patch, Blizz scrapped their plans. Blame players for being dumb, not Blizzard for wanting to go back to an old system.

[silent urchin]

tbf the selfie camera is probably still used more than anything else from that patch is

[dense plover]

Oof, what a hit for D4

Seems like Ion didn’t do anything bad tho

Which makes me at least slightly sigh in relief

[tropic trail]

I'd be more worried about Danuser

🙏

[pulsar minnow]

Why…?

[tropic trail]

Personal preference. I like Danuser more than Ion

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/CallMeQuestifer/status/1425586689859198981

Jennifer Klasing 💙 (@CallMeQuestifer)

I suspect some names may come up over the course of the coming weeks of people leaving Blizzard that may surprise you. Some have surprised me.

The important thing to remember is they were not heroes or mentors to some people. And those stories matter.

Likes

193

Twitter · Aug 11, 2021, 10:35 PM

[mossy meteor]

most people seem to like him

people = blizz employees

past and present

[uncut vault]

Yeah blizz people have been very outspoken about Danuser supporting them openly in the work place

criticize his work aplenty, but he's definitely a good coworker according to the women who work with him

[deep pawn]

He may even be a decent story guy except WoW is a terrible medium for story

Take a page from ff14 and give us the plot in game

Make the players watch it at least once

or heavily encourage

not these stay a whiles

[ancient jasper]

It would be nice to get Lore inside of the game instead of in a Book you have to pay for to get important bits

Like Cairne dying, for example.

[deep pawn]

I'd be down for losing a raid if it meant reworking the model engine for in game cinematics

[dense plover]

the difference is that the story in FFXIV sometimes lasts 20+ hours before endgame, or more

if you want to get to endgame, FFXIV's model doesnt work

theyre different games

[deep pawn]

I play an RPG for story and enjoyment.

[uncut vault]

at the very least, taking a page from having leveling matter more to the plot beyond basic setting setup would be nice

Most of leveling the last three expansions is pretty much filler antagonists

When it could be used for so much more relevant stuff for the overarching plot

It’s story and gameplay people have to do anyways so it wouldn’t change that flow

[deep pawn]

I enjoyed the levelling story, it's just kinda rough on repeat.

I think the worst is the timegating of story

Renown is by far the stupidest thing they've done so far

[uncut vault]

Leveling isn’t bad, that’s not what I mean

It just barely matters at all

Leveling story and max level/patch story are two entirely different things in terms of relevance

[deep pawn]

I mean the levelling plot this expansion was huge

[uncut vault]

The actual plot of shadowlands doesn’t really start until the ending of Revendreth

We spend more time on the motives of nothingburger antagonists like Lysonia than we do on someone like Sylvanas or the Jailer lol

[deep pawn]

Had to have something for the 4 separate covenant campaigns

[unborn glacier]

No thanks.

[strange falcon]

we already lost an ingame raid to make legion good(shattrath tier in wod),
also "nothingburger" is a funny word

[deep pawn]

I've already said I'll gladly take 6-7 raid boss tiers if it meant we got an extra dungeon each patch

[terse patrol]

I miss Legion leveling tbh

and class quests

was the last time I felt like I was sorta playing a character

[slender quest]

me too. Legion felt like an actual RPG expansion to me

[strange falcon]

[pulsar minnow]

Legion times were the best times

[strange falcon]

they had a full year more development than any other expac,and that was the finishing product

if anything it should prove that more devtime = better product (in most circumstances,not when there's development hell and all those things)

[deep pawn]

Legion was too much work. They can't make class stuff anymore. We should be lucky that we got 4 campaigns in 9.0 compared to the 2 in 8.0

Personally I can't see too much improvement from the class campaigns to the war or covenant campaigns to justify cutting so many

That said, Legion's replayability was every class having a unique experience (minus priests being paladins supporting arc)

[strange falcon]

Legion was "just enough work"
They wont put out a good product ever again if all their focus is rushing it out the door without the necessary polish any passion project deserves

Thats the entire reason why every tripleA game(there's exceptions) is a buggy mess whose sole purpose is squeeze the cash out of your wallet and people are looking en masse to indies for refuge

[deep pawn]

I meant it was too much work for Blizzard and required cutting an expansion by half

[strange falcon]

They cut wod in half because it was a dumpster fire they knew they couldnt fix,

Now the content at hand(the leveling,the raids the dungeons) were great,but garrisons were so core to the expansion they stained all of it irreparably

They had to create timewalking just to dampen the damage done by garrisons

[deep pawn]

See, garrisons were fine, they just lacked any sort of relevant world content

Apexis was such a pointless currency

WoD with a system like m+ would be considered amazing

Do you guys think the spirit of raiding would be ruined if premade groups could enter instances for just 3 raid bosses at a time at heroic difficulty?

[unborn glacier]

Yes

[jagged wigeon]

I think premade groups in general are bad

Yes

[deep pawn]

Wait? You mean putting a group in the group finder and then going to do m+ is bad to you?

Do you also think pug groups for the raid is bad?

I didn't mean "matchmaking" for heroic cause that'd be a mess

[strange falcon]

they had challenge modes same as mop

the lack of content is what killed wod,and also the laundry list of cutt content

[deep pawn]

Players care about gear much more than they ever will cosmetics. Challenge Modes offered no progression

[strange falcon]

that's only half true when most game's communities say "fashion is the real endgame"

[deep pawn]

Most people go after fashion when it's something they can do solo. For group content there's usually gear involved

[strange falcon]

also,the reason people are angry now,more than ever(even outside the lawsuit)
is the because everything in the patch is halfbaked, the content has been the same rehashed stuff from legion then bfa, you know the major talking points,

add onto that,devs that think the players are the problem and have refused listening to ffeedback until it gets too much for 10years

and you can see why no small thing will "fix" wow

[deep pawn]

In my ideal world if I was in charge, raiding would be 10 man max and smaller. 6 bosses at most, give a dungeon or two per patch to add to the m+ rotation.

But that's not the case

[strange falcon]

if you look at that certain japanese mmo, the raids are 8 people, they get 4 bosses per patch, the dungeons and "bigger raid" side is not counted because they dont have any higher difficuly past normal

[deep pawn]

I feel like WoW could find a balance between what 14 does and what it currently does that's leaving people feeling empty

[jagged wigeon]

FFXIV falls back onto its story

Yeah the gameplay is there but it’s the story that is supposed to hook you

WoW has defined itself on reaching the endgame as fast as possible

[deep pawn]

And I see that as the biggest failure of the modern game. They make you rush to end game, then DRAG IT OUT

[upper pasture]

IMO its only being "dragged out" if you're logging in every tuesday ready to see the next 3 quests and story.

let me ask you this do you get upset when you buy the first book in a trilogy and get upset when you read the whole book and have to wait for a year or two for the next one? some things are better over time. granted some smaller story line are nice to have wrapped up over one book but others are a better pay off when it takes the whole trilogy to get there. not everything needs to be instant gratification imo

[strange falcon]

you dont get upset because the book's story is self-contained with sequel hooks

in wow it's like you get 1 page of the book every week

[upper pasture]

i'd say a chapter buts ure

[strange falcon]

FF does this too,they give you a complete story start tto finish every patch

[upper pasture]

if you don't like the time gating just wait two years from release to play any expansion then you don't have to worry about waiting for content?

[strange falcon]

thats the stupidest excuse for bad content pacing i've seen

[upper pasture]

yeah sure

bro they are a company and they make money off time gating. they aren't gonna just release the flood gates day one to make yall happy they have a bottom line they gotta make

if you don't want to wait around for the whole story wait until its all out and sub and spend a month doing it all

[pulsar minnow]

Back in Legion we had that massive Suramar campaign along with various campaigns for each individual class. Now we just have one campaign, each chapter timegated weekly, and the only thing added being like 30 minutes of just killing random trash and ultimately amounting to nothing because the only major story beats happen in raids

So much of the campaigns feel like pure filler. The Kyrian campaign feels like the worst offender. Three of the chapters are just borrowed bits from other covenants just reskinned with Kyrian NPCs

[upper pasture]

i guess what i really don't understand is if so many of yall are unhappy with the state of the game and how its handled why are you sticking around and crying about it? just unsub and do something you enjoy instead of shitting on something that others might be okay with or is the only thing they enjoy. i remember someone somewhere said that WoW is legit the only thing they look forward to and seeing all these people shit on it upsets them. idk. to each their own.

like i get being unhappy with the game hell thats why i unsubbed in WoD and i sadly missed legion in its prime but hey whatever i suppose

[strange falcon]

"just unsub" is an argument as old as time,
we stick around,because the game was maybe our childhood,a huge part of our growth,we care about the game,and we want to get better,
the opposite of love in advertising is apathy,not hate

sure you can unsub,but you still want the game to get better,
and thats nott even the point i was making,
i was saying,that "time gating" in itself is not bad,it's how its used that makes it shit or not,
timegating in the suramar launch questline,felt good,because you got a bunch of actual development every week,it felt meaningful and it always stopped at a point where it made sense

instead the broken shore timegating felt like shit,because you did the same thing you were doing normally, for 30mins,then you finished,and the only real development was in the last week

current game feels more like broken shore than suramar.

the pacing is bad

[upper pasture]

but crying in forums isn't going to make anything better except being an echo chamber for your own feelings. hell WoW is part of my life probs the biggest thing of my childhood. thats why i'm back here in game grinding and hoping that next expansion we will have better things to do something that feels better than 4-5 dailies and a raid but who knows not until 1-2 years from now

time gating is time gating its just if you actually like the content you're getting each week to you its not important to some it might be.

[strange falcon]

that is mostly what i was getting at,people didnt mind timegating in legion,because the content was good,so you were engaged the entire week if you wanted to

[upper pasture]

idk anyways i wasn't trying to start anything its just a matter of opinion. like anything really

[deep pawn]

FF14 gives you the story and says, "If you want to go do other stuff, we'll be here when you come back"

It's WoW that's being parasitic and dragging things out

[strange falcon]

garrisons,artifact weapons,heart of azeroth,covenants,all parasitic design systems,that you could remove them(and they do after expac is done) and literally nothing changes in the core game

because making a parasitic system is super easy,since you can just throw it away if it doesnt work,but making a core system is very hard

[upper pasture]

if they didn't give us system like that every expansion there would be even less to do in the expansion

it would literally be just 8 new dungeons and a few raids

[cunning fossil]

I would like an actual core system

[deep pawn]

I don't mind the systems, it's the timegating related to it

[strange falcon]

you totally misunderstood what im saying,
instead of giving a parasitic system,you either enhance the core systems,or make a new core system

m+ ended up being a new core system

[strange falcon]

that is literally any dlc in any game

[upper pasture]

but after so many new core systems added the game would become so bloated and convoluted new players would be turned off of playing

[strange falcon]

i dont have the time to argue with you unfortunately,so i'll have to leave this here if anyone else wants to pick it up

[coarse quail]

I don't see a reason that people will complain all the time.

[upper pasture]

YOU DONT!

[coarse quail]

It won't help to complain.

[upper pasture]

?!

jokes asside. me too man me too

[coarse quail]

U nedd to enjoy the game,the fun in teh game,the experience of it and more.

The view,the zones,the anamils,music,lore and infinite other things😲😮

THIS IS GOOD.

I am fucking loving this game😋

[upper pasture]

Bastion and Ardenweald are so pretty I can't decide which is my favorite zone this expansion.

[coarse quail]

Mine is myself 😜

And yeah, ardenweald is very beautiful.

Bastion also.

[deep pawn]

The zones are pretty, but so can be fake fruit, doesn't make it nourishing game play.

[upper pasture]

if you don't find it nourishing might i suggest eating something else then?

[pulsar minnow]

Because I still like the franchise? If everyone just quits the moment they feel the slightest bit unhappy, nobody would play any game. This idea also fosters a toxic culture where the only people left are the ones that are going to play the game regardless, which means the devs can just lower their standards. Now, was I really wrong in anything I said about the story?

[upper pasture]

i suppose there's a difference of being unhappy with a quest line or a story in the game and quitting or finding no happiness in the game and coming to forums and just complaining about the game to people who might not feel the same as you. we all play for our own reason man and you're entitled to your opinion. i feel the story is okay but not great. pacing is strange but i'm also not complaining cause we could be getting nothing for 8 months or even get nothing for 2 years in between expansions and just getting content dumps every 2 years.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean to be fair we basically did get nothing for 8 months

[upper pasture]

in your opinion it seems like you got nothing for 8 months. just because you didn't feel attachment to the story projected doesn't mean anyone didn't. thats my point.

[deep pawn]

Blizzard can do better and HAS done better in the past

[pulsar minnow]

This.

[upper pasture]

idk were never gonna see eye to eye on this. but i do hope you the best

and? they are people after all. not everything needs to be the best they've ever done

i don't see how thats funny but sure

[pulsar minnow]

I mean if you’re paying 15 a month I wouldn’t be happy when you know they could be better