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pulsar minnow
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If he has one that is

vapid peak
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On his position in the chamber

pulsar minnow
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Yeah I can definitely see that

vapid peak
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I wanna know his true position

pulsar minnow
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Though it also makes me wonder what the other side is for

tropic trail
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He probably served the role of the Arbiter before he fell, honestly

vapid peak
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Did the first ones leave him there and then they all rebelled, but save for Denathrius cause he did it sneakily, he was just going along with the program

tropic trail
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We'll have to wait until the next episode of WoWball Z

pulsar minnow
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From what I can gather it seems like the First Ones created everything and then immediately vanished

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Though the Eternals definitely seem to be hiding stuff from us

vapid peak
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Try everything

tropic trail
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I mean, they more or less pulled a Titan Pantheon and just set up everything and went on to go do other cosmic realm stuff

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My guess anyway

pulsar minnow
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I mean they couldn’t be bothered to tell us the Jailer was the Arbiter which is kinda a huge deal

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And the Primus still won’t tell us what the hell the Sepulcher is

vapid peak
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Bolvar: "as if the sigils were his all along"

tropic trail
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We already know the Shadowlands existed before it was ordered. Even Mushroom Grandpa went on to say how he was already around in Ardenweald before the Winter Queen made her first groves

vapid peak
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Brokers book very interesting

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They're also pieces of shit too

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Think we dumb ok bruh

tropic trail
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The Brokers basically are to the Shadowlands what the Ethereals are to the Great Dark Beyond

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But probably without the same tragic backstory

vapid peak
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It better not be just a coincidence how similar they look

pulsar minnow
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My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that the Brokers at one point were the Jailer’s covenant. Following Zovaal going psycho, and the removal of everything that he was, his covenant as well was completely and utterly crushed and the Brokers were stripped of their forms. Now turning them into weird whispy bois

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And that’s why we got fellows like Ve’nari investigating the Maw

vapid peak
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There's a lot of weird similarities going on

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Especially visual style

pulsar minnow
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Eh. We already know what happened to the Drust. They were pushed outside the cycle of life and death and now can’t rejoin it. They’re just a bunch of angry Vrykul

vapid peak
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I wanna see more from them and their origins

tropic trail
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I mean, their origins were already gone over in the Drustvar campaign

pulsar minnow
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Me too!! I was hoping we’d get it in Shadowlands, but maybe it could become a future expansion. Like some sort of continent inspired by Norse mythology and the Drust being a major threat there. (I know Northerend exists)

vapid peak
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Yeah we definitely gonna go to their homeworld eventually

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I wanna see more with the ethereals and Karesh too

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Void and light pretty much confirmed sometime

tropic trail
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I can see the overall philosophy of the Drust expanding across various witch and vrykul groups that aren't necessarily benevolent

vapid peak
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With Christie Golden tweet bout da old gods

pulsar minnow
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I feel like the story might be going in the direction of Elune honestly

tropic trail
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I want more Locus-Walker

vapid peak
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Something big gonna happen with Elune

vapid peak
pulsar minnow
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Locus-Walker… man it was what, four years ago now? I miss that guy. What’s he up to

tropic trail
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I mean, there are waaaaay more Old Gods out there than just the ones on Azeroth

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And we've already been shows worlds where the Old Gods basically took over their landed worlds

vapid peak
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I agree with Accolonn on the two cosmic maps

pulsar minnow
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The new chart is definitely pitting Life and Death as the major forces in the cosmos

tropic trail
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There's still the rest of the demons out there too--I can picture many more powerful demons operating like more organized warlords throughout the cosmos to be a reoccurring threat

vapid peak
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They don't know jack about us

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And they're already judging like assholes

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They obviously don't trust Elune

tropic trail
vapid peak
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That got me excited right there

vapid peak
tropic trail
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Elune is definitely on the same level of power as the Eternal Ones at least, what with the Winter Queen calling her her sister and all

vapid peak
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Imma say she's higher

tropic trail
vapid peak
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She gotta be more powerful

tropic trail
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Eh, not necessarily

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The Eternal Ones of the Pantheon of Death are pretty damn powerful too, but they've either been complacent or have responsibilities that their power is tied to

vapid peak
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Okay

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I really am suspicious of this pantheon of death stuff

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Idk if it's really the pantheon of death

tropic trail
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Again--the Winter Queen is a perfect example of this as it was already stated she spreads her influence across all of Ardenweald simultaneously when she isn't manifested in one spot

tropic trail
# vapid peak Idk if it's really the pantheon of death

Not sure what you mean by this. It's already established that the Titans are the Pantheon of Order and we already know that they're not infallible and have a tendency to shift their positions, power, and influences of control over time. Why can't the Pantheon of Death be the same?

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We've gotta remember that the Shadowlands is a lot bigger than what we've seen already. I say this a lot here, but really, we've only been introduced to the sections that keep the lights on and the wheels turning

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lore talk?

vapid peak
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Ye boi

vapid peak
tropic trail
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oh

vapid peak
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LET ME IIIIIIIIINN

tropic trail
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interesting

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So the Pantheon that we've already been introduced to (the Titans) are already proven to not be omnipotent and all-powerful despite their status. Why would the Pantheon of Death be any different?

vapid peak
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They definitely similar in that regard

vapid peak
tropic trail
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They're incredibly powerful within their spheres of influence and when everything is working as it should

vapid peak
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"For uncounted eons the Shadowlands WAS IN PERFECT ORDER"

tropic trail
vapid peak
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Yeah fuckin right dude order my ass

tropic trail
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I mean, they've been functioning up until fairly recently

vapid peak
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I just really didn't know what you were saying in that reply

vapid peak
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That's a red flag for me

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How well they were functioning, ehh.. that's a meh from me

tropic trail
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I mean a bike works until you jam a stick into the spokes and you flip the bitch

vapid peak
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But if the system was going well don't you think that they would be able to do much better when SHTF than they actually did in reality?

tropic trail
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I could go into my whole Death Star exhaust port argument but it's after midnight and I'm fuckin tired khadgarface

vapid peak
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I mean c'mon Oribos was obviously just put there in the middle of the soul stream

tropic trail
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@ me about it tomorrow

vapid peak
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The souls just naturally float to the maw

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Sooo... I got a feeling...

unborn glacier
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@vapid peak@tropic trail Remember tho, Xalatath calls Elune an "Upstart Goddess"

From this, we can infer she has risen above her station and become more powerful than an Eternal one.

vapid peak
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There's no way she's not higher in power than an Eternal

light compass
tropic trail
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Yeah, wasn't arguing that

jagged wigeon
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So assuming they try and ape FFXIV and really do an "Azeroth Reborn" expansion.

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How do you think the final cinematic should play out?

sterile dagger
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The Jailor is succesful or someone who wants to wipe the universe is, the sword implanted by Sargeras wipes the planet, we see how Azeroth is trying ot rebuild

cunning fossil
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If they try to wipe the universe there is no Azeroth lmao

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What

sterile dagger
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Eh maybe new azeroth or something along those lines

cunning fossil
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It still defeats the purpose

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It just a new world in that sense

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Nothing will be the same

uncut vault
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an Azeroth-changing event like FFXIV's would definitely need to be something not the Jailer

cunning fossil
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EVERYTHING will be gone

sterile dagger
uncut vault
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because he isnt looking to change the world, he's looking to remake it Thanos-style, with us not existing, and everything being dominated to his will

cunning fossil
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Basically he wants a lot of simps

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Idk what he expects to do after that tbh

sterile dagger
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I mean he probs wont ever do it so I dont think Blizzard went in that deep with his lore

cunning fossil
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We kinda gotta win before he does otherwise it's game over.

uncut vault
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its one of those fairly simple bad guy plans thats pretty much just based on total destruction and pettiness that we kinda know wont succeed

sterile dagger
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Yeah I bet Sylvanas is gonna help us win

uncut vault
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its just a matter of how he'll fail

cunning fossil
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Of course

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SYLVANAAAASSSS will help us win

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It's kinda obvious at this point

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Still

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Ugh

sterile dagger
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Also probably Arthas

uncut vault
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I do wish it was a bit more azeroth-tied though, cause with the Legion, we also knew they wouldnt succeed, but their invasion was onto our planet, so the thing that mattered is what the cost of us winning would be, what the impact on our planet would be

sterile dagger
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tbh I wish that the game had never gone to Legion levels of lore personally

uncut vault
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any major impact on the shadowlands wont really hit as hard cause we dont really like, care as much about it lol

sterile dagger
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I preffered when everything was just azeroth

sterile dagger
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Like why are we killing dead ppl lmao

uncut vault
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I think Legion was fine, but was definitely the stretch as to how far you could feasibly go without losing the original sight of Warcraft's universe

cunning fossil
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It's be nice if we got some more local enemies.
Scarlet Crusade esque stuff.
Maybe a newly beefed up Defias brotherhood.

uncut vault
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Legion worked (for me at least) because they were basically the villain of Warcraft up to that point

tropic trail
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10.0: World of Warcraft: Loose Ends

  • We defeat the Jailer but he resets the universe, but we're pulled by Chromie in the nick of time and go back through the timeline to fix events
uncut vault
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the cosmic escalation stretched thin, but worked because Azerot hwas literally looming above us as what we were fighting for

sterile dagger
cunning fossil
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His goal is to reset universe. Timeliness and all

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It matters not what time we're in

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We're deas

tropic trail
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Infinite Dragonflight expansion pls

cunning fossil
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Now let me ask you the real lore question

tropic trail
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But this time, we help the Infinite Dragonflight instead

sterile dagger
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Tbh I think that the jailor's goal is cool but the onyl thing weve seen of the jailro is him being 'I WANT POWERRR', I think something akin to the Shadowbringers villain in case u know them would be much better

cunning fossil
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Of why Portergauge is always Based as fuck

sterile dagger
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Also quite a lot of ppl are saying that we are getting a realm reborn in WoW but i think it's just as likely as WoW 2, which is really hard to imagine tbh

cunning fossil
coarse quail
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What,lol

cunning fossil
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I don't play space invaders I wanna play world of warcraft

cunning fossil
tropic trail
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Either way

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Find out in the next episode of Zovaal's Balls Z

cunning fossil
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Lmao

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Still Thom I'm thinking this expac may be 2 patches only

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Oh wait actually

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Never mind it could still be 3 patches if
9.2 is focused on rebuilding the covenants fully and making new sigils

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Idk what the raid would be though

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Perhaps the Sepulcher?

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With Anduin as the Last boss?

tropic trail
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Second to last boss

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Zovaal as the last boss

jagged wigeon
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I’d much rather he’d be helping us against the Jailer

tropic trail
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Or even pull a 360 degrees and make it a one boss raid with Zovaal only

jagged wigeon
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Like I’ve said it before

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I’m placing all bets that Sylvanas will get the crown of freedom

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And use it on Anduin

tropic trail
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Maybe forge the Hat of Domination into it

jagged wigeon
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Now more than ever would be the perfect time to bring that plot line to head

tropic trail
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Sylvanas the Lich Queen with the Hat of Domination and Freedom both forged into one

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All undead are now Forsaken

slender quest
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We need the Jailer to lose a bit power and boom anduin is back

tropic trail
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I bet he will split Kingsmourne during a boss fight

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That'd be neat as heck

slender quest
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that would be cool 😄

tropic trail
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Frost DK Anduin, let's go

cunning fossil
pulsar minnow
# tropic trail I bet he will split Kingsmourne during a boss fight

I made this scene up in my head and I think it could be a cool way to get the fanbase to really universally love Anduin. Let's say during a battle Thrall, Jaina, Bolvar, and potentially Sylvanas are all fighting to break Anduin's armor, and the Jailer suddenly dominates the crew yet again. Anduin is now left to execute all his friends while the true him is still in there. Right before the killing blow is made, as Anduin is about to bring his sword down, Bolvar manages to resist only for a brief moment to show him the locket. Something cracks in Anduin, and he then takes control and goes ballistic. Light and Void magic begin ripping away at Kingsmourne and shatter the Jailer's hold on Anduin. Anduin then pops Paladin wings and officially becomes the Paladin Manduin that we all want him to be. Seems a bit fan-fictiony, I know, but come on. Paladin Manduin.

tropic trail
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@pulsar minnow I FUCKING LOVE IT

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Also, compass

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It's a compass

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And maybe have Jaina show it to him instead

pulsar minnow
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True true

tropic trail
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Since she's his Auntie

pulsar minnow
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Also maybe the blade could be stopped by Arthas when the sword is about to swing down on her

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Since Arthas is almost certainly the sword

tropic trail
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Speculation Master Class: Baine and Lorewalker Cho roll in and save him with the power of GLORIOUS FRIENDSHIP. Baine holds him down and talks about good times while Cho just fucks up one of the runes on the Domination armor, causing Anduin to hold onto one of his lucid moments he obviously already has and Deus Ex Machinas the fuck out of the armor with a big light explosion

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Also Wrathion shows up last second and gets smacked in the face by a flying piece of gauntlet

pulsar minnow
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I can't tell if you're making fun of my idea or just joking because yeah it is a bit crazy that Anduin could break the Jailer's grip, but we've seen the light do it before in the form of Ashbringer breaking Frostmourne

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would just be cool if mindscape Varian kind of gave Anduin the "Dude stop crying get the hell up and stop this guy because you're a Wrynn goddammit" advice. I don't care how it's handled. I just want Anduin to do something badass and become a Paladin

tropic trail
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"The Light is with me... Even here. May it shatter my bonds"

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Pops wings

tropic trail
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Mostly

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Wait a minute

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This is official artwork, right?

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What are the odds that the Jailer leaves Anduin to fight us on this bridge to the Sepulcher?

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A DPS check fight with the Jailer slowly approaching

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Once he reaches us, we die

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The bridge is the boss room

fringe karma
tropic trail
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It's official artwork too

fringe karma
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Wow

cunning fossil
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Tbh The power rod friendship is cliche but it's cool

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The people who hate it just want a world of logic when we're playing a fantasy game

tropic trail
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THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!

cunning fossil
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Yeah x3

tropic trail
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A more compelling narrative would be the power of faith in oneself

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Believing you can achieve your goals if you believe hard enough

jagged wigeon
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Imagine if Arthas helps save Anduin

cunning fossil
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True true

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I can see Arthas doing that

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He has the same parallels as Ansuin

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He just did it wrong

jagged wigeon
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Helping someone else prevent the path he walked on

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Because he was forced onto it

tropic trail
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Arthas is most likely in Kingsmourne

cunning fossil
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Likw "you will do anything for your people. I want to help you do that"

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Kind of thing

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Everyone hates on Ansuin cuz he's "soft" but no

tropic trail
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"Son of Varian. Be the King I once wished I could be."

jagged wigeon
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Sylvanas then has to make peace with what Arthas

tropic trail
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Then Anduin pops wings

cunning fossil
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He's just different and less bloodthirsty

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Anduin popping wings would be giga cool

jagged wigeon
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Arthas + Ulther + Jaina = Anduin saved

cunning fossil
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OR he goes full Disc Pdiest/Paladin multiclass

jagged wigeon
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The band gets back together

cunning fossil
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Kek true

tropic trail
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Uther will probably yell "HAVE FAITH IN THE LIGHT, BOY!" and then Anduin hears Arthas in his head

jagged wigeon
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It’s all set up to have Arthas get one chance to redeem himself

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That’s why we got Uther back

tropic trail
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Then Arthas gives him a Pepetalk and Anduin goes "So what do I do now?" to which Arthas replies "What a King must do"

jagged wigeon
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Jaina is there too

tropic trail
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This channel summed up khadgarface

sterile dagger
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Watch Blizzard make the shadowlands ending be that Arthas saves Anduin with a kiss and Sylvanas is jealous so she takes the seals and deletes the universe herself and we get WoW 2.0 khadgarface

tropic trail
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Zovaal: Take care of these pests, my vessel.
Jaina: Anduin, don't listen to him! You are the King of the Alliance!
Bolvar: Have faith in the Light, Anduin! Do not let the Jailer win!
Uther: Trust your heart, boy!
Arthas: Son of Varian. Be the King I once wished I could be.
Anduin: What... Is happening?
Arthas: You are being controlled against your will, Anduin Wrynn. But I believe you can put a stop to the Jailer once and for all.
Anduin: And how would I do that?
Arthas: Did your father teach you nothing?
Anduin: Father...
Arthas: Now, stop hiding from your legacy. Confront it, embrace it, and finish your foe. Like a King must do.
Anduin pops wings

cunning fossil
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I think that we shouldn't be pushing that he isn't what his father was I feel.

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Cuz Anduin isn't Varian, he will never be and that's his struggle

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He has to be him

torpid spear
ancient jasper
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Uh?

dense plover
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I don’t understand how that is a response

young latch
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well the city is called ouroboros, which is what the snakes are called... 🤔

tropic trail
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Oribos

unborn glacier
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xD

rotund prawn
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I mean it seems more likely that it's based on Erebos, the god of darkness in Greek mythology, who's also associated with the underworld

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Though the corruption into Oribos could be because the ouroboros

unborn glacier
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Facepalm

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Its neither

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The Ouroboros is the symbology of Eternity

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The Eternal cycle of Life and DEATH, Decay and Rebirth. The Snake eating its own tail signifies this.

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Stop reaching to Pryomancer levels, its cringy

cunning fossil
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I just thought of something

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MAYBE no one else has thought of yet

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Did Sylvanas see the maw when she leapt off of ice crown... BECAUSE half of her soul was already there???
So she may have seen the maw but that wasn't exactly where she was gonna go. It's just that half her spirit was in the Maw already? (ACCORDING to the Fairy Tale book anyways)

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Just an interesting thought I had

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Please do tell me how I'm wrong if u can tho

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And yes I know blizz didn't plan this far ahead but still

coarse quail
cunning fossil
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Oh I was just confused about your What LOL comment

coarse quail
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Okay.

vapid peak
# unborn glacier Stop reaching to Pryomancer levels, its cringy

i mean reaching those levels of speculation is not the problem...the problem is just when you make those crazy headcanon theories your literal canon and then you start insulting and making fun of others just to find out that you were the one who was horribly wrong...and then instead of accepting it you bash the writers WeirdChamp

uncut vault
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but from a Shadowlands point of view, that is the reason, souls killed by frostmourne seem to automatically go to the Maw, Uther being the sole exception due to the Light

unborn glacier
pulsar minnow
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i believe we already know why Sylvanas went to the Maw, The Nine took her there

slender quest
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Everyone goes to the maw who's being killed by frostmourne.
Uther is the only one exception that exists and only because a higher power has intervened (the Light) . If not for the Light Uthers entire soul would be in the maw

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And why Sylvanas Banshee soul ends up in the maw is left to interpret.
a) Because the other part of her soul is already in the maw and it only makes sense for her banshee soul to go back to the place where her other soul is
b) the Jailer has power over every soul that was striked by frostmourne and he just pulled the banshee soul back to him
c) The Valkyr took the Banshee soul to the maw

pulsar minnow
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Arthas' Valkyr were loyal to the Jailer

vapid peak
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Who would've known that if the devs use the irl morality, focus on other irl topics as a part of discussing the story, then the post Cata story does not hold up to the suggested by the devs standards.

rotund prawn
slender quest
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because all 3 points I listed make sense

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Because Sylvanas went directly to the Maw when that one Undead shot her

pulsar minnow
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how exactly do we know that?

slender quest
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That's what she said

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After the valkyr rezz her

pulsar minnow
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yeah sure she said she went to the maw in cataclysm

slender quest
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When she is being killed by that shot and rezzed by the valkyrs

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she says it again. She was in the same place

pulsar minnow
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She said she saw only darkness.

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Arthas said that too but he wasn't in the Maw yet

slender quest
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stop nitpicking

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Im getting sick of shit like this

pulsar minnow
slender quest
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It's clear that she was in the maw. This is why she says it. This is why Arthas said it

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Yes you're nitpicking

pulsar minnow
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The Maw was obviously not planned back then

slender quest
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It is clear because it is the same dialogue she said in the same short story.
Back in Cata we didnt had this clear definition of the maw.
But what Sylvanas saw was exactly what she saw in the short story

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With the new lore in shadowlands it's called now the maw.
She saw only darkness in the short story = now the maw
She saw the same thing when she got shot by godfrey = the maw

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Same with that "dont call her other soul part the good part" . Thats nitpicking.
When the devs even call her other soul like that or very similiar "love, courage"

pulsar minnow
slender quest
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You can disagree with me. Thats totally fine

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But dont nitpick, what you did.

pulsar minnow
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Im just saying the most likely outcome is the valkyr as that's practically already confirmed

slender quest
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And I didnt disagree with you

pulsar minnow
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The Cataclysm writing stuff is up in the air because nothing related to the Maw was planned yet

slender quest
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in that one scenario. But when she got shot by godfrey there were no valkyrs to guide her to the maw

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So it makes sense that her soul automatically went to the maw

pulsar minnow
slender quest
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Yes but they did nothing right?

pulsar minnow
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either way that darkness isn't the maw its just dying

slender quest
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They started their ritual after she got shot. to bring her back

cunning fossil
slender quest
pulsar minnow
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It's just the sloppy writing that got Shadowlands into existence. I don't hate it but I can't say it's not really disjointed in terms of its retcons and whatnot

slender quest
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And if you dont agree with me, fine.
Lets just agree to disagree

pulsar minnow
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If the Jailer had the power to just pull souls into the Maw he wouldn't need the valkyr. So yeah its the valkyr

cunning fossil
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Fair enough. I thought I was giga brain when I thought of it last night

pulsar minnow
slender quest
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I guess this will be explained in the sylvanas novel

pulsar minnow
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When the dude literally looks like a Blue Man Group Reject who went to Skrillex and talks about dominating other people all the time

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Yeah but that's still like 7 months away

slender quest
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Really curious what they gonna write... Like what could convince Sylvanas to work with the Jailer

cunning fossil
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The promise of escape from death

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The one this Sylvanas seems to fear

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Is death. And being sent to the maw

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Ironically

uncut vault
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thats not really her motivation now though, is the issue

pulsar minnow
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Oh and please I really hope they actually make the Jailer compelling. We already have 1/3rd of the parts to make him great. Those pieces being: 1. Looking badass 2. Doing cool and evil things and not just walking away every single time we encounter him. 3. actually having reasons for hating the first ones

slender quest
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I was thinking of lies or threats.

Lie:

  • You was judged by the Arbiter to suffer for ever. Like I was. Help me to change the unjust rules of the universe and we both will be free

Threat:

Help me or I will torture you for ever

uncut vault
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and she has no real reason to not just backstab him and stop working for him once she got back

vapid peak
uncut vault
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Well, its supposed to be both, because his eye transitions into the Maw as he says it

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back during Cata, the "darkness" was definitely intended as the hell she went to, it was a line repeated by forsaken in Legion and random humans in BfA

vapid peak
uncut vault
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hell she even talks about it in HotS lol

vapid peak
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Cause she had nothing else to live for because of it

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This gave her a new purpose

slender quest
vapid peak
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Well the jailer could've just told her and shown her

slender quest
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He could have done it with Nathanos too, yes

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But it does look like he did not, right ?

uncut vault
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she doesnt seem to know in the latest cinematic

slender quest
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yep

vapid peak
uncut vault
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the idea built up this patch is that the Jailer has been keeping secrets from her

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and he treats it as a reveal

vapid peak
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Jailer probably keeping him/kept him as a back up plan

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Wherever he is it's probably not good

slender quest
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I can imagine that Nathanos will be a part of the next Raid. As a "punishment" for Sylvanas from the Jailers side

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probably mutated and tortured

vapid peak
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But he's not completely gone like he was

slender quest
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And as confirmed (I believe, could be wrong here) by an dev we will get a Nathanos and Sylvanas cutscene?

vapid peak
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Maybe who knows

slender quest
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my hopes are we will get an very sad cutscene/cinematic where Nathanos is about to die (like die die) and he says something "My love...." and Sylvanas like: kisses Nathanos ❤️ ❤️

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😆

vapid peak
slender quest
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🙈

vapid peak
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Not on the about to die part

vapid peak
young latch
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y'all are having sylvanas discourse without me

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how dare

torpid spear
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humm

restive pasture
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The person from Australia that got the Grimoire of the Shadowlands book has posted more stuff from it on twitter
Thread: https://twitter.com/_wolfandwild/status/1417230760705069081

Auri 🔥❄🔮 (@_wolfandwild)

Been sick as a dog so I haven't been able to read much, but I am slowly continuing on through the Grimoire of the Shadowlands. Jotted down some thoughts I hadwhile reading below. Spoiler warning for both the book itself and Patch 9.1 Chains of Domination.

🧵

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dense plover
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most interesting one so far

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FUCK OFF WATCHER

slender quest
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Sylvanas is the first mortal who enters the maw and leaves it - according to this guy. The original Maw walker

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I don't get it. Why is she the first? What made the jailer to not do the same to someone else in all the time he had?

uncut vault
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Well, she was in a rather unique position of him already having a bargaining chip on her prior to her actually coming to the Maw

young latch
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right; so i imagine most of the people raised by frostmourne could have been in that position

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had the jailer wanted to use them and they had mortal-ish bodies

light compass
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But how she ends there in the first place?

jade basalt
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The devs had already stated at BlizzCon that Sylvanas is the first Maw Walker.

uncut vault
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Dev interviews only go so far, so it’s nice to see it actually pop up in lore 😛

deep pawn
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intriguing lore today haha

tropic trail
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I shall feed Sylvanas spaghetti muffins for her war crimes

royal coral
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So next week, the campaign is about Elune, right ?

terse patrol
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So is Blizzard really gunna wait ‘til Gamescom to show 9.2?

slender quest
dense plover
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I think 9.1.5 will be much sooner

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Probably releases the week after last lfr wing

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So ptr in the next few weeks

upper pasture
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oh no were gonna have to wait a month while we still have some cov campaigns to do

dense plover
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I imagine 9.1.5 ptr might be even sooner just because the world first race is finished

silent urchin
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Hard to comment without knowing whats in it. Last LFR wing may be a bit early, although that is still almost two months away

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Should get details soon, though. Probably next week. Or at least an announcement about when we'll get details

dense plover
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My guess is brawlers guild and a goofy side quest thing and heritage armor

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Maybe legion time walking?

tropic trail
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Aw man I miss Brawler's Guild

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Some of my favorite content

dense plover
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It usually comes back in the first X.1.5 patch

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I could see them adding some SLs boss fights or using a SLs arena of some kind

pulsar minnow
royal coral
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If only they could add achiev for 450-500+ mounts in 9.1.5

dense plover
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I mean, they might

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But they usually add those when the mount cap is over that excluding faction specific mounts

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Covenant mounts count for the achieves but you can’t add the achieve if it requires all the mounts from all 4 covenants

unborn glacier
dense plover
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How many are available without making a “binding decision” and without counting faction mounts as separate

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IE pvp mounts count as 1 for achieves I believe

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(Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong)

silent urchin
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Max usable one one character is somewhere around 600, I think

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big thing is faction locked ones

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Maybe a bit less, a lot of the new ones are covenant locked as well

terse patrol
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inb4 9.2 news to try to stifle discussion of this scandal.

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🙄

austere gazelle
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Can't wait for next week cinematic

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Elune VS WQ :p

storm marsh
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that's the only encrypted cinematic left? about tyrande again?

slender quest
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"What lies ahead"/9.1 end campaign will for sure have a cinematic too. Could be the encrypted one. Most likely they will just patch it in

strange falcon
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And it works wonders,better than you'd think

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Because average consumer has very small attention span

pulsar minnow
storm marsh
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ohh. okay, thanks.

terse patrol
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@strange falcon It’s what they did for that Blitzchung scandal if I recall.

austere gazelle
slender quest
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I think thats the cinematic the week after the elune and tyrande stuff

austere gazelle
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Na , after Elune is uther and bastion stuff

slender quest
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oh right

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then it is probably a part of what lies ahead

languid fog
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Still waiting for a realistic cinematic

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correct me if I’m wrong but the last one was Sylvanas vs Bolvar

uncut vault
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technically the launch trailer with the covenants but that's the last full one, yes

austere gazelle
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As far as I understood ( and I am maybe wrong ) with covid, making those kind of cinematic remotely from home is more than complex and difficult... Not surprised if they ditched some planned

balmy gate
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Since it was his

terse patrol
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J. Allen Brack’s email lol

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“Alexa, google ‘famous feminist’.”

dense plover
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Yeah that email reads like it was going to be leaked

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It’s just more PR stuff

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I want to hear from the men who knew this was happening - I want them to side with the women who have been dealing with this. I want people in the company to publicly denounce specific people

strange falcon
terse patrol
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@dense plover imo this stinks of “let me collect a list of dissenters under the guise of understanding, so I can fire them later when this blows over.”

strange falcon
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the fact leadership has access to the harassment reports just means they can easily identify whistleblowers

dense plover
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I’m not sure they do have direct access

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They might have anonymized access but California is pretty strict about HR complaints

pulsar minnow
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Im honestly so disgusted and confused when it comes to this whole situation. It’s not hard to just not be a terrible person, and it’s not hard to kick out the people who are horrible. I love WoW but I now don’t even know if I can trust the people making the games I enjoy

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And the JAB response just comes off as so disingenuous

strange falcon
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Tiridan prayge

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True,its not hard at all,but with increasing power,comes a switch in the brain that makes them do those things,plus most corporate people do these things,because they are fully confident they can get away with it since they're protected by being high up

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Sure,its not hard kicking people,but complacency is a real thing and excuses like "hes really good at what he does,would be a shame to fire him,no one has to know about this"

strange falcon
pulsar minnow
strange falcon
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You misunderstand,they do learn,
But they learn how to not have it get out and cover it up better

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Because if the people in leadership are the abusers,then they are figuratively untouchable because of corporate structure

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This feeling of being untouchable is exactly why they keep doing it regardless of how many lawsuits

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Just buy out the system, ez as that

cunning fossil
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I personally don't see how some people aren't gonna get sacked here

strange falcon
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Nah,they will pull out a diablo 4 public demo out of their ass,and eeeveryone will forget aaaall about it instantly.

Thats exactly point for point what Rockstar,ubisoft and Riot did

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Proven 100% success chance

terse patrol
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Release a pretty cinematic for WoW.

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(Maybe that ‘leaked’ one from months ago with the Necropolis in Northrend, if it’s real.)

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That sort of thing works sadly.

strange falcon
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It started working really well when customers morphed into consumers

cunning fossil
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Ngl man

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I get that being pessimistic is more realistic in the long run

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But it's getting depressing

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Also this is way bigger than anything that's happened before

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I suspect that

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Some heads will actually roll from this. Because this is a state lawsuit. And even after that happens, people who leave are likely gonna stay gone

silent urchin
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Reading all the twitter threads from ex-employees, they already lost a lot of people to this over the years

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Also there's another email out from Fran Townsend, the Chief Compliance officer who joined in march

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It's uhh, a little tone deaf

cunning fossil
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Christ wy

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Fuck these people

strange falcon
strange falcon
strange falcon
unborn glacier
opaque pewter
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Not sure why it's in this channel
(Also, welcome to the inside view of game/film/tech industry)

unborn glacier
young latch
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This is the only wowhead thread that I tend to talk to people with here, and I would also like to talk about it, but it is off topic.

terse patrol
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Has Ion commented at all?

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I see nothing on his Twitter. He went silent two days ago.

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I know a lot of the WoW team is siding with the women who came forwards.

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And are protesting Blizzard’s response to the issue.

cunning fossil
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Yeah

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Especially since the WoW team was called out specifically

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Midnight be implying something

tulip sun
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Hmm

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Didn't blizzard and activision have two totally different responses lol

cunning fossil
sullen dawn
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It was two different individuals from the same companu

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Fuck em all tbh blizz is over

upper pasture
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blizz isn't over and you're foolish to think that, blizz will be under reform.

cunning fossil
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I hope it"# a massive overhaul

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Like

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Shadow Priest level Overhaul

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I'm not trying to meme I'm saying it truthfully :V

pulsar minnow
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Change log: fixed a major bug that resulted in some of our senior management and employees to act like absolute creeps.

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
cunning fossil
upper pasture
strange falcon
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But "old blizzard" was involved too

unborn glacier
cunning fossil
unborn glacier
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Hehehehe

tropic trail
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survival hunter is an abomination

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quite enjoiyable tho

young latch
# sullen dawn It was two different individuals from the same companu

Yeah like… as rancid as it is this type of stuff goes on in most every corporation with a hierarchy and the ones who don’t have it are just lucky.

It’s a big problem in not even just the games industry and it’s almost certainly gone on in most studios even if you haven’t heard about it.

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Which is why reform tends to have to be forced by lawsuits.

Also; jumping ship and the whole “support with your wallet” thing doesn’t tend to work to make these companies behave differently but people openly talking about it and raising concern does.

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(Because misogynists and abusers have money too and if you think those peoples are going to be upset that people with ethics leave their favorite game then uh… idk, just experience an average league of legends game a few times. :p)

languid fog
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Going back to spoiler talk

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when do we think they will tell you about Zovaal and the new portal in the campaign missions.

slender quest
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at the end of the campaign

languid fog
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what is that, like Renown sixty something

slender quest
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I dont know, 3 more weeks and some days and we will get the final campaign quest

languid fog
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I found it.
The Power of Night Renown 52.

A New Path Renown 56.
What Lies Ahead Renown 58.

mossy meteor
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I personally don't feel like talking about the game atm

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When so much important stuff is going on

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When even the developers themselves practically stop working because of a statement by their parent company.. You know how serious it is

languid fog
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so don’t then, there are appropriate channels for this discussion and the discord channels are labelled as such

tropic trail
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I think we shouldn't discuss sexual harassment in the spoilers channel. Or any channel. Our opinions are obviously biased

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It's OUR OPINIONS, after all

strange falcon
unborn glacier
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👍

cunning fossil
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In 9.1 news

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Apparently WoW production

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Has in fact been halted

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So yeah uhm

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That's a fre more months between 9.1 and .2

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(Not that I care. Just stating what I think are facts

pulsar minnow
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I saw Muffinus talk about how some are going on strike

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It makes me glad. There are people who care over at the HQ

cunning fossil
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Oh I didn't get to see that tweet

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So that we don't get flagged

pulsar minnow
cosmic beacon
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flags WhereAmI

pulsar minnow
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I think it fits well enough here

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It’s WoW development stuff

strange falcon
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i too saw a different tweet stating that there is no work on wow being done at all until this is dealt with

cunning fossil
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Yeah

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I think I can pull it up

strange falcon
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we have a wod 2.0 on our hands bois,and for totally different reasons this time

slender quest
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looks like we do... I guess 9.2 will be actually the last patch

cunning fossil
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If so

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It better be good

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I gotta say though this expac started out promising

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Like wod

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And now it may just fail
Sorta like wod but not as horrible

cunning fossil
strange falcon
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And he's missing a few still

cunning fossil
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Damn that's fair

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I didn't get to watch this video. Now I have some time owO

strange falcon
cunning fossil
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OvO

strange falcon
cunning fossil
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Lmao.

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I expected no less from a doge

rotund prawn
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OvvO

cunning fossil
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Lmao

strange falcon
cosmic beacon
strange falcon
cunning fossil
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Daf is having OwOverload

pulsar minnow
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The big reveal at the end of this expansion whether it be 9.2 or 9.3 is that the Jailer is only the ruler of the first level of Hell. It goes even further. The true Pantheon of Death consists of Vulpera and Pandaren

strange falcon
unborn glacier
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Ive NEVER been a WoW Doomer

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This... this has me scared for its future

silent urchin
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It's been like one and a half work days tops. It's not really a big deal tbh. As long as the top execs don't double down and appear to display some contrition, I imagine they'll be working mostly as normal by the end of next week

unborn glacier
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Thats still downtime that will drastically affect the game in very negative ways.

cunning fossil
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Fuck the game rn lowkey.
The toxic environment I doubt helped either.

pulsar minnow
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The game has been going downhill for a bit. This is a reckoning that's been festering for like the past 3 years and its hit a fever pitch. Blizzard is going to have to change.

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That doesn't mean WoW will die. It's their cash cow anyways

terse patrol
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Maybe it’s for the best if WoW dies.

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When the fires settle, they can do something new and innovative with the IP.

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WoW I feel like has been a ball and chain on the Warcraft IP for years now.

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Poor lore decisions made with the priority on faction balance or MMO mechanics.

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The history of toxicity in its development.

pulsar minnow
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I don't think tearing the whole thing down is the best solution to be honest

strange falcon
pulsar minnow
cunning fossil
# cunning fossil Fuck the game rn lowkey. The toxic environment I doubt helped either.

@unborn glacier @strange falcon when I said this, I didn't mean I suddenly hate the game now. I like it. I just personally thing we have more urgent matters to deal with. But yes it is going to be a bit bad for the game if Devs go on strike.
I think they can save the game but it's not looking very hopeful, cuz we all know how with wow it's usually "Good Expac, Bad Expac, Good Expac" etc.
So far, SL is sort of shaping up like Wod. Good Content but not enough of it. And on top of it, scandals like this. It really does not look good.

young latch
young latch
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Confusing in “I think people are mixing up random things they don’t like with the actual mismanagement.”

strange falcon
jagged wigeon
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One does not simply kill WoW

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And even FFXIV is gonna be put to the test as soon as the streamer phase dies out

strange falcon
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Etc etc.

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They weren't prepared to handle this influx of players

jagged wigeon
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Let that fade and we’ll see what happens

lilac fractal
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After that fades endwalker will drop

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Lol

upper pasture
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NGL FF doesn't do it for me and i'm currently trying again.

strange falcon
lilac fractal
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If jrpg games aren't your jam you're not likely going to be able to force yourself to like it

upper pasture
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oh but i love FF just MMORPG FF just doesn't do it. idk i'm complex khadgarface

tulip sun
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I'm trying it again too

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Not a huge fan

young latch
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Ff14 feels too similar to wow with aesthetics I don’t enjoy. So I’m not gonna play it.

I’ll probably just spend more time on the sims 4 making houses. :p

cunning fossil
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swag

jagged wigeon
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It’s why I’ve barely had any deaths or wipes so far

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It’s shit easy and I can only imagine the raids are less hair pulls than Wows

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Hell Endgame has been described as Transmog hunting

lilac fractal
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The 3 ultimate raids in the game currently are harder than any mythic wow boss

upper pasture
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yeah, its just my friends have slow shifted over there and theres one person whos like a FF lifer who would never try WoW when the rest of us were playing so in good faith i've given it a shot and i just don't vibe with it and i'm trying to tough it out until endgame stuff but it just seems like all the fights and button smashing and easy peasy

lilac fractal
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But savage raids are slightly under mythic in difficulty

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Only slightly though

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Extremes are more like heroic bosses

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But savage progression is actually decently difficult. Even the top guilds can take a few weeks to clear a fresh savage tier and there's only 4 bosses

unkempt moss
vapid peak
unborn glacier
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I'd play it

cunning fossil
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what would it even be about

tropic trail
dark cradle
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Oh horny expantion picture

terse patrol
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Just what we need, a fourth installment in the Sylvanas story. Thank god its fake. MAXIMUMOVERDRIVE

strange falcon
strange falcon
strange falcon
strange falcon
# lilac fractal But savage progression is actually decently difficult. Even the top guilds can t...

I do not have any info on this,so take it with a big grain of salt,
But the top players there might not be as good as the top ones in wow.

Also you have to consider the different fight design, learning a dance perfectly without missing a beat is more frontloaded in difficulty than adapting to the mechanics as they come.

And plus they dont have any way to cheese dps or clever positioning,or talents,or trinkets, or expac specific systems, so there's a lot less leeway for the players to push through as "clever use of game mechanics" and exploits are removed

young latch
#

the fight designs in ff seem fine in terms of challenge in harder difficulties

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i just don't care about what happens in neir automata weeb world 😛

uncut vault
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nobody is allowed to call final fantasy a weeb game after that ardenweald cinematic

young latch
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oh wow is goofy as hell too but it still feels more like american comic books goofy to me

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but i do not tend to run into ten thousand pale skinned kemonomimis in thigh high garters in wow. It's blood and night elves instead. 😛

austere gazelle
# strange falcon given some of the reports are as far as 10years old,i dont believe it's just a "...

Truth is , video game industry is a recent one, the most ancient companies were made by men and those were probably not very women friendly ages ago. If you look back like, 60 / 70 yeas ago women were still considered " lesser " than men, and some of those thought still lingers and poison the industry who became more and more open to women. So that sort of stuff were bound to happen at some point.
Some may have thought that the #meToo movement would make some higher up thought about improvement in workplace, but it was , sadly, not the case apparently

strange falcon
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im not even joking

austere gazelle
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XD

uncut vault
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if FFXIV is a weeb game, WoW is too

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and unlike WoW, FFXIV has the character development to back up the weeb aspects 😛

strange falcon
strange falcon
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Checkmate

uncut vault
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playing it literally right now 😛

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strange falcon
#

Poggers,what job

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I suppose you on us datacenter

uncut vault
#

gunbreaker, and yeah crystal

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but probably shouldnt go too off topic here haha

strange falcon
unborn glacier
young latch
young latch
unkempt moss
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furry race

cosmic beacon
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Best race

young latch
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rip having only 4 haircuts that mostly look the same tho

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and head gear not working

strange falcon
mossy meteor
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elune cinematic today

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👀

austere gazelle
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Yeah , no stream to look at it live yet ?

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Wanna see a streamer unlock it avah

mossy meteor
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i'd stream but i don't have an NA account

vapid peak
#

Oh my god bro the sigils

austere gazelle
#

So I was right about this WQ X Elune cinematic all along :p

terse patrol
#

So. . . she allowed her people to die in a horrific fashion so they could help the Winter Queen, but since she didn’t know about the Maw they all went to WoW Hell instead.

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Though I guess they confirmed that they are her favored people.

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Though, maybe she didn’t support the Burning and just tried to salvage it however she could.

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I wish they’d stop stringing us along this story.

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“What is Elunes purpose for the souls of our people?”
“Lol she didn’t say yet”

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My guess is she couldn’t stop their deaths

slender quest
#

I think Elune said clearly what the purpose was for the nelf souls. To save Ardenweald

terse patrol
#

It seems like she knew the machine of Death was broken but didnt know about the Maw.

slender quest
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kind of cruel being sacrificed by your goddess to save the place of her sister

terse patrol
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She wanted to make the best of the situation by letting their souls help save Ardenweald

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Eh, less sacrifice. She just redirected them.

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Night Elves either become wisps or join Elune.

slender quest
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^

terse patrol
#

Rather than be selfish, she wanted to send them to save her sister

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Ye I dont get that

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How does Bwonsambdi have that power?

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Makes me wonder what her plans for the souls are now. I assume she had no intention on them remaining in Ardenweald

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They are her chosen people. By her own words.

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So yeah, it seems like this is what happened:

slender quest
#

I think Elune is a part of a "Life Pantheon" and at the end of this expansion she will revive all the nelfs who died back to azeroth

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that's my take

tulip sun
#

They did say 'unto spring'

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Or something

terse patrol
#

Teldrassil happened, and Elune wasn’t able to stop it, either by limitations or outside interference. She knew about the machine of death being broken, but not that the souls were being shifted to the Maw. She wanted to send her peoples souls to Ardenweald to aid her sister rather than taking them to Elune’s realm, where they’d not really be able to help.

tulip sun
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I think Elune was just making the best out of a bad situation

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Or tried to rip

terse patrol
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So ye.

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I suspect they’ll be reincarnated or revived.

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By reincarnate, I mean (maybe turned into a subrace).

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Which would potentially be interesting.

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Revived meaning they come back as night elves.

sullen dawn
#

so in new hearthstone expansion, yrel is the hero and theres a lorderon themed coin. maybe nothing but worth noting

terse patrol
#

@sullen dawn Link?

sullen dawn
deep pawn
#

So with a nearly confirmed Pantheon of Life to go with Death and Order. I'm curious what the hell the Pantheon of Disorder did and clearly we'll see Light and Void eventually. I suppose it'd be fitting if Disorder was so chaotic that it can't even have it's own true pantheon

terse patrol
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Or Disorder is so chaotic it hasn’t bothered messing with the others too much, too busy fighting each other.

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Sargeras likely isn’t truly a member of that pantheon.

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I could see there being a good aspect of Disorder

deep pawn
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Absolutely

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We've seen that pure order, light, and life can all be bad or corrupting

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I'm trying to figure out the connection between Titans, Spirit and how they temper life. On Draenor, it was said that there was an over abundance of life because it's world souls that create the spirit element

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It is likely Argus's death that broke the Arbiter as well

strange falcon
tulip sun
#

Elune being in the pantheon of life is a guarantee at this point I feel @deep pawn @terse patrol

deep pawn
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Indeed, but is she alone? Are any other races favored by a member of the life Pantheon?

deep pawn
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I had it backwards on Argus. No world soul meant Extra Spirit which sent life crazy and kept the elements calm.

strange falcon
pulsar minnow
tropic trail
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Bwonsamdi is the mon, mon.

terse patrol
#

Let’s let Zovaal remake reality

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shit’s fucked already

unborn glacier
#

I hope he wins and we have to deal with the fallout

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Let him be the new Sargeras level threat we contend with in the future

pulsar minnow
#

Zovaal breaks through reality. Comes into our world and buys Blizzard. “Now all will serve…. ME.” And he proceeds to unionize and make great and productive decisions as the new CEO. Who woulda thought that all Zovaal wanted was to be a morally good business man

upper pasture
cunning fossil
#

And it also includes our own bodies so XP

young latch
#

damn elune is kinda dumb

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xD

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that's too bad

young latch
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because the mythology of the druid and druid-based faithess are about life, death, and genuine rebirth

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but she did not know the souls were being siphoned into the maw

young latch
cunning fossil
#

#ForgiveTheNightElfGenocide

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#SylvanasDidNothingWrong

pulsar minnow
young latch
pulsar minnow
unborn glacier
terse patrol
#

I hope after all this, they reconsider Yrel.

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Making YET ANOTHER “victimized female goes nuts” story is the wrong call.

#

Maybe they are. Hearthstone is sometimes used as a source of little hints for future WoW stuff, and Yrel is an Alliance hero in the new expansion.

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So maybe if we’re lucky she won’t be villain batted.

pulsar minnow
tulip sun
#

Yrel's story is more about mind control id say tbh

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Or manipulation

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Both of which she can bounce back from

young latch
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I'd like to see Yrel be bad actually, but not in a tragic way.

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Although we probably won't see her again.

tulip sun
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I honestly have confidence we will

young latch
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It feels like they banished her to the alternate reality zone so eh.

narrow otter
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We will loose in this reality against zovaal we will come back around the draenor alternative reality and fight the alternative zovaal

light compass
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So..for the third time now...the evil one have the "last laugh" since bfa
..i'm so done with this plot. Let us kill this maw and zovaal and this entire plot..and go..i'm so tired that in order to make this plot even possible in the first place.

Multiple characters - loved chars - were sacrificrd or shown dumb or depowered/nerfed.

Its enough!

strange falcon
cunning fossil
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Oh shit bois

Screenshot_20210728-074934_Twitter.jpg
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Anti Toxicity ware?

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:0

strange falcon
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Why are you watching two trumps over a red background

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With a guy reacting to it

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You still use tumblr??? In 2021?
Clean up your notifications and charge your phone

terse patrol
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@pulsar minnow Cool, we have Azshara. They don’t need to be victims who decided to go crazy.

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We can have female villains who are just evil.

young latch
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Or an alliance character can be bad for a change and it's not the end of the world. 😛

cunning fossil
unborn glacier
terse patrol
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So, the alt Draenei were not genocided by the Iron Horde. 🙄

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And Blizzard needed some dumb change of character in order to make Grom look like a good guy.

strange falcon
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there is a shitton of cut content,and they had to make it work ssomehow

cosmic beacon
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would have been dope to see that shattrath raid

austere gazelle
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Concerning Elune, maybe there is something deeper ( or I hope there is ) after all the Broker do say that " the forces of life are not to be trusted in any circonstances " ( which , coming from a death entity, might seems logical )

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But there is maybe some other Life Pantheon that disregarded what she did and intervened to fuck it up

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without her being aware

pulsar minnow
pulsar minnow
unborn glacier
cunning fossil
tulip sun
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I said or manipulation.

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Because I find it hard to believe the Yrel we left would've killed Durotan

unborn glacier
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I can

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She showed signs of unwavering devotion to the Light

terse patrol
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You only say that because of the rewriting of her character in the Maghar scenario that was designed to make the Maghar look good.

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“See? Their victims are now crazy Light zealots!!!”

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“Also for some reason the Frostwolves are ok serving Grom now.”

unborn glacier
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There are no more clans. Just the Maghar clan. They consolidated because of the threat from Yrel, her Prime Naaru and the Lightbound army they command.

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It's super interesting.

pulsar minnow
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Yrel wanted to spread the Light to the Orcs too and when they refused she took that as an insult and became increasingly more crazy

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It's the continuation of the long war between Orcs and Draenei

unborn glacier
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In the absence of any opposition, the Light becomes an overtly authoritarian, tyrannical force

pulsar minnow
unborn glacier
terse patrol
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It’s not “orcs vs draenei.”

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If you do the scenario, you know a lot of Orcs willingly joined her.

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Along with ogres.

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Grom’s son leading the Lightbound.

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It seems a bunch of Orcs decided that the path Grom put them on was going to lead them to their dooms.

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And turned to the Light as the answer.

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So, this is Lightbound vs Grom’s Horde.

unborn glacier
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It's clear the orcs who joined were forced to, with the exception of AU Garrosh, who joined willingly

ancient jasper
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For any of the Night Fae that have done the newest Campaign Quests: Is the Heart just completely gone from the Sanctum for you as well?

unborn glacier
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No

strange falcon
silent urchin
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It's off the kotaku article, seems decently well sourced

pulsar minnow
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Jesse McCree? Are they going to have to change the Overwatch Hero’s name?

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If it’s true

obtuse vine
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Some people are also saying they have to change the name of the Argus zone Mac’aree. Idk if the name of the zone was a mention to him tho

pulsar minnow
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I think that one can slide

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But yikes how do they handle this. One of their most iconic Overwatch characters

tulip sun
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WoW is the only team that has stated they're changing stuff so far

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I think

pulsar minnow
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True, but isn’t it a bit weird to have a hero named after someone that maybe wasn’t the best person. Again we don’t know his level of involvement but still. He knew of the group chat

tulip sun
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An overarching hero would require so much extensive work. Whats inspired by him? Last name

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?

pulsar minnow
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Full name

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Most of the time he’s addressed by his last name

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So if they feel the need to, they could probably get away with just changing his first name

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Do a retcon and say that Jesse is just a nickname and his real name is like Johnny or something idk

terse patrol
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Like, McCree’s cinematic would need to be reworked.

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Because they use his name.

tulip sun
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What did he do?

pulsar minnow
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Apparently

terse patrol
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He was part of the Cosby Suite group chat.

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@tulip sun

young latch
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Evil shit.

cunning fossil
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This shit is getting wild.
I would HATE to re do McCree

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Because I legitimately love his VO and he's just a cook character

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The fact he's a reference to a piece of shif is incredibly worrying

dense plover
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It might not be that much. Re record any lines with his name to his new name

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And then re record cinematic audio

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And retune some of the facial animations

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It’s not like he’s a visual reference

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It’s just the name

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Could even keep his name as jesse and just change the last name

cunning fossil
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I suppose that's true

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But I'm extremely worried the VO won't WANT to do any more voice work because of the allegations.

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VO's a really good guy and 100% condemns this crap.

autumn steppe
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I don't really understand this whole thing about removing everything which is closely related to any of them 🤔.

I mean... That cancel culture leads to nowhere to me: it creates no value, it does not help nor teach anything. Once again, I'm wondering what's the purpose? What does it leave behind once that's erased? How does that make a change?
Creating new content to address these issues would be so much more meaningful to me than simply deleting stuff sad.

cunning fossil
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I wouldn't support deleting or rehashing McCree.

slender quest
cunning fossil
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But you have tro recognize that "Cancel Culture", 90% of the situations are just poeple saying "Hey we've had enough of your bull"

slender quest
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literally erasing an npc that makes a lot of staff uncomfortable

cunning fossil
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It shows that we ERASE bad athings. YOu don't want to keep a stature of Hitler up right? WOuldn't that be "cancel cultre"

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Cancel Culture I feel is not really a thing that's happening. It's simply people being held accountable, bothly wrong but mostly justifiably

slender quest
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I dont understand why anyone would ever complain about this

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unless you feel offended that any relations to a sexist and harasser is being removed

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which would make you a peace of shit

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🙂

autumn steppe
cunning fossil
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THe difference is that books provide insight into how he thought

slender quest
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you have that on wowhead

cunning fossil
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references and statues like I said in my example only glorify or make him the center of the story

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WHich isn't kosher

autumn steppe
# slender quest ??? deleting the afrasiabi NPC changes a lot

I don't see how. Litterally.
I mean in France, there was this kind of debate a couple of years ago regarding Roman POLANSKI getting an award while he was accused of rape. There is a crystal clear distinction between the production of one guy, and his behaviour. (To me, I mean)

slender quest
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everything about hitler in germany was destroyed and removed - so your example doesnt make sense

cunning fossil
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YOu have to make it so that you know who these people are, without glorifying them

cunning fossil
slender quest
cunning fossil
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Oh my bad

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I just saw the word example and assumed u meant me XP

autumn steppe
young latch
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so like, it's fine to remove these things

do i think it fixes the core issue? fuck no

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but "cancel culture" is such a buzz word that unless i see any of these men face real consequences for anything they did I can't take complaints of it seriously

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ghost crawler is probably gonna get to keep working on the LoL MMO scott free, afraisabi will go on being a predator, etc.

autumn steppe
# young latch so like, it's fine to remove these things do i think it fixes the core issue? f...

Yup, I totally agree with you 😉.

Well, I guess that expressing your opinion (or feelings) through creating new content is not as enjoyable as brushing aside things. I clearly don't understand what it adds to the greater picture 'though, really. I'm really a "peace of shit" who places reason before passion 🤣.

Anyways, wouldn't it be more meaningful to build up a little story about it such as making characters which hold their name go to SW's prison, in a procession? It would translate this situation and at least gives some context within the game :3.

young latch
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I dunno. It would still feel a little bit like "the problem is solved" when a union busting firm is being hired to fire people during the investigation. So it just be more weird fantasy world optics.

cunning fossil
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I swear.

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THey try to be so sly

cosmic beacon
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swearing is rude

cunning fossil
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they fail, and then for some reason they acrt like everyone doesn't have the fucking internet but them

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Like bro we can clearly see that you don't giove 2 shits about the workers and that the people you're working with are as shitty as you all are

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at least don't be fake

uncut vault
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fully animated characters saying his name

dense plover
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oof

uncut vault
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I think if they wanted to do it, the best way would probably be to make some of the joke comments in game into actual lore

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Sombra's got lines saying that McCree isnt his real name, which he refutes

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just make it so that McCree was something he made up, and he goes by his real name in OW2

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keeps continuity fine and you dont need to change any of the pre-made stuff, just his lines and other lines for OW2, which theyre recording anyways

tulip sun
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Good suggestion Porter

unborn glacier
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But let's not talk politics

pulsar minnow
terse patrol
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Just realized something.

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If the dreadlords serve the Jailer, and the Jailer controlled the Lich King

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why the hell were the dreadlords also corrupting the Scarlets to -specifically- destroy the Scourge?

tropic trail
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Because they were part of the Legion back then, maybe?

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Threatened by Kil'jaeden or something

terse patrol
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They were always under the Jailer.

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Er

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Denathrius*

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Who "serves" the Jailer.

tropic trail
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Maybe Kil'jaeden threatened the dreadlords that if they don't destroy the Lich King, he'd permanently disenchant their souls

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Still doesn't explain Lothraxion though

cosmic beacon
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Isn’t lothraxxionn the light dread lord

tropic trail
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Yup

cosmic beacon
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I mean it’s not surprising if the jailer wanted a spy with the light

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But what he’s actually doing idk

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Maybe we will find out later

tropic trail
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Death and The Legion are opposing forces

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So maybe Denathrius blessed a Nathrezim with holy power to torture Venthyr

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Since they're vulnerable to light attacks

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He had a Naaru locked up, remember?

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So Denathrius could have sent Lothraxion to ensure the Legion's defeat and then return to Revendreth to keep torturing souls

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Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, I know

rotund prawn
tropic trail
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Why wouldn't it seem productive? Light magic is based on faith, not mana

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Unless we're talking gameplay

cosmic beacon
pulsar minnow
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and the jailer didn't really control the lich king

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Arthas was acting on his own

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and the Lich King had gone rogue

tropic trail
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Denathrius having Lothraxion torture the toughest souls would be interesting

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Sure, you can leave Venthyr to go mad in the Ember Ward

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But what about those with willpower?

cosmic beacon
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Or those who wield the power of UMBRELLAS

tropic trail
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Parasols, Arch

cosmic beacon
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Same thing

tropic trail
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Umbrellas are for rain, parasols are for sun

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Get it right, reeee

cosmic beacon
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But umbrellas can be used for the sun

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And vice versa

tropic trail
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Yea

cosmic beacon
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Same thing different name

tropic trail
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But you wouldn't go out in the rain with a parasol

cosmic beacon
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Try me

tropic trail
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They're shaped to look fancy and stuff

cosmic beacon
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Look fancy while in the rain Smuggu

tropic trail
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E

rotund prawn
tropic trail
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Yes? It's been shown multiple times

rotund prawn
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I mean the non-venthyr

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Just the normal souls

tropic trail
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Denathrius is even tortured right now using the power of a Naaru

rotund prawn
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I think I misunderstood

tropic trail
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His essence is locked inside a sword, Remornia, I think

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And a Naaru fires blasts at it. Denathrius' penance

rotund prawn
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Yeah

tropic trail
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Apparently Denathrius used the same Naaru to torture the Venthyr

rotund prawn
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But if they really needed to blast souls with the light, wouldn't they use the naaru they have?

tropic trail
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So why wouldn't he use Lothraxion for the same thing?

rotund prawn
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I mean it's possible but he'd probably be more useful manipulating the army of light

cosmic beacon
young latch
rotund prawn
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And the Scourge weren't even Jailer-associated since Arthas took over

unborn glacier
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The Maw architecture is all over Icecrown and the Scourge ranks

rotund prawn
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I misspoke

rotund prawn
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Arthas betrayed the jailer tho, correct?

young latch
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we don't know yet

uncut vault
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the way Danuser put it in an interview is that all of his mortal servants have been held back by his mortality, so with each iteration he tried to be less and less direct, and mroe subversive of that mortality, perfecting it from Nerzhul to Arthas and then to Sylvanas

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obviously it didnt work with her either lol, but I think with the lich kings it was less betraying him, and more their own mortal agendas getting in the way

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Nerzhul's hatred for the Legion, Arthas' shreds of mortality in general holding him back from scouring the world

strange falcon
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aq4vv/blizzard-recruiters-asked-hacker-if-she-liked-being-penetrated-at-job-fair https://twitter.com/MichaelaHMN/status/1420829211237838848?s=19

Blizzard Recruiters Asked Hacker If She ‘Liked Being Penetrated’ at...

Company employees at a hacking conference made several inappropriate comments to a security researcher who was inquiring about Blizzard’s job openings.

Michaela Nienaber (@MichaelaHMN)

This was handed to me years ago in Blizzard’s parking lot by someone over a decade older/senior in the company. I was an associate artist out of college. I turned down their romantic advances multiple times. You may read this and go ‘poor guy, he liked you, how heartless’-

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we got more bois

pulsar minnow
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Gosh it just keeps getting worse doesn’t it

strange falcon
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as with any viral controversy

cunning fossil
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I didn't think it could get worse that suicide

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than*

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but I guess it fucking does

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"Oh hey hot girl who just happens to have qualifications to probably be better than me at my jobn, wanna have the sexy sexy fun time? I made your favorite game :D"

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fucking disgusting

unborn glacier
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This was the shirt she was wearing. All around, everyone in that situation was being a jackass.

upper pasture
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yeah that shirt is uh....troubling to say the least

tulip sun
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Idk what the situation is exactly but just the shirt alone doesn't seem bad.

mossy meteor
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Woman in the photo got verbally assaulted by some blizzard employees that were there

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That's basically the story, the shirt was more or less an inside joke between the conference attendees because it's obviously not referring to, yknow, sex

slender quest
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I'm not sure if some people have noticed the Pyromancer "rant" yet about wow and wow's lore but I just want to add for those who did:
He's hypocritical talking bs in some of his points.
In this Clip: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/out1ui/pyro_on_wows_terrible_lore/

He mentions/rants some points what he dislikes about the current lore and one of it was "redeeming Sylvanas" this is funny, because he wanted her redeemed since bfa started and I know this because this is the only reason why I had some bit of sympathy for him and could ignore all his other bs .
Just wanted to bring this up since it goes viral right now (over 8k + views on r/livestreamfail) so people don't get a wrong picture of him.
I feel like he brought that only up to get more sympathy from the people since most of them dont want her redeemed

reddit
r/LivestreamFail - Pyro on WoW's terrible lore

699 votes and 182 comments so far on Reddit

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tldr: Pyromancer is hypocritical pretending not to like the idea of a sylvanas redemption when he actually always wanted her redeemed before he started playinfg ffxiv

mossy meteor
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pyromancer is an idiot

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he leaked the early design for the jailer, despite everyone in the content creator community telling him not to do so

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and then he kept crying he didn't get alpha/beta invite for SL

slender quest
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yes he is

mossy meteor
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he also stole a bunch of videos/content from the warlock theorycrafting community

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back in legion

young latch
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"Lore bad because me not get power fantasy revenge on undead mind slave elf woman."

Ok.