beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

oh no! its onehanded!

my ONLY complaint right now is nothing drops stygia

but the reliquary thing that makes dailies and WQs each give 10 stygia will hopefully help

tormenters of torghast got another NEW icon

[elder belfry]

are the 9.0 weeklies still a thing? do they give stygia still - maybe a bunch of venari rep?

[dense plover]

this didnt have a background before did it?

[dense plover]

yeah they still exist

i just hate doing them

[elder belfry]

do they give venari rep?

[dense plover]

they havent changed

theres new music in the necrolord covenant hall

its the main covenant hall theme, but its chill - its played on a harp

its specifically in the side areas, not the main hall

[elder belfry]

have to admit the necrolord cov hall is my least favorite

[dense plover]

i love the necrolords, but i agree

biggest let down

[crimson jasper]

oh Korthia stuff sounds great

l also like necro hall the most xd

probably cause of the simplicity and accessibility

[mossy meteor]

That's how it worked before

As you'd get new ranks you could for example repair the teleports or rifts

And then get one time relics

From either the specific rare or just a random location

However

It would seem that rifts and teleporters aren't rep locked anymore

I'll have to test more on Monday on a brand new copy but from what I've seen, you don't need reputation to get the teleport repair kit or the item for rifts

[uncut vault]

neat drop from one of the tormentors

[mossy meteor]

Oh wow

[dense plover]

That’s sick af

[mossy meteor]

@uncut vault new part of the broker book

[uncut vault]

interesting, so is it just those five books, or are there more?

[jade basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781339646466195467/855857847191339038/Cartel_AI_Incident_Report.jpg

The preface

[uncut vault]

that expedition will definitely pop up at some point in the future, Id say

[tropic trail]

I'm updating my gearing sheet for 9.1. I think I have everything so far. Is there anything I'm missing or that's wrong?
https://tiny.cc/ilvlscaling
https://i.imgur.com/jpJDZte.png

[mossy meteor]

I don't think there's anything wrong

Seeing everyone (rightfully, mind you) complain about domination sockets makes me glad I don't raid until like, a couple of months into the tier

I'm as big of a casual as one can be, and I'm still annoyed

And I'm annoyed specifically because this feature, most likely, cost a lot of resources to develop

And most likely will be scrapped or replaced in 9.2

Resources that could've been spent somewhere else, like i don't know, actual tier sets

[silent urchin]

Only thing I can think of is also showing the pve ilvl on conquest gear

[unborn glacier]

The Domination sockets look great now that we can remove the gems

[mossy meteor]

Yeah it's not a bad system

But

I just don't see the point

[strange falcon]

If you asked this on the forums you'd get the "systems upon systems upon systems"

Response

[ancient jasper]

Systemlands all the way down! 😄

[unborn glacier]

To make Raid gear best for Raiding

Duh

lmao

[mossy meteor]

Jesus christ you're an annoying ass

What i was trying to say...

I don't see the point of the system if it's going to be scrapped in the next fucking content update

And it most likely will

[crimson jasper]

guys behave, no need for insults here

[cunning fossil]

It's to afresh the concern of PvE players needing PvP gear to raid.

Which is a foolish concern, cuz no one gives a fuck about the opposite

[mossy meteor]

That can be done with tier sets

[cunning fossil]

Tier sets aren't coming till 9.2

They couldn't implement them this patch they said

[strange falcon]

Thats been most content since wod

[cunning fossil]

Not defending them I'm just saying.

[strange falcon]

Garrisons,scrapped
Orderhalls scrapped,
Artifacts scrapped
Azerite scrapped
Essences scrapped

Corrupted gear scrapped

Covenants scrapped,

They know its a problem too

[cunning fossil]

Hopefully we keep our covenants some how

Nah nbm

It won't happen.

[strange falcon]

At least we kept some artifact abilties

[cunning fossil]

Well for the next System, it should be a PERMANENT addition to the game

[strange falcon]

Why do you think m+ was a well liked addition,because permanent

[cunning fossil]

When was the last time we got a permanent power affecting addition to the game?

Yeah exactly

Except instead of being a new challenge, it'll be a new customization option for play styles.

[strange falcon]

Havent seen shuja in a year

[cunning fossil]

Idk how it'd work but something could be better than nothing

[mossy meteor]

Well

At least artifacts were an expansion long thing

We're going away from expansion long systems to systems designed for 1 patch only

[strange falcon]

Pvp players complained about needing pve gear to pvp because pvp gearing was shit,
And pve players complained about needing pvp gear because it was deterministic instead of rng

[strange falcon]

Thats even worse,triple the wasted devtime

[cunning fossil]

That's what happened in BFA

Was totally cra0

[tropic trail]

what are the top 3 dps specs for 9.1 ?

[crimson jasper]

always been here, but still nice to see you^^

[ancient jasper]

Why ask here instead of the actual Class Discords?

[crimson jasper]

probably enh, surv and feral kek :^)

[silent urchin]

there's going to be a balance hotfix two weeks after patch release (on mythic release), like there has been for about the past 3 expansions, so it's always subject to change

[rustic quarry]

hello, do you need to clear everything on every thorgast floor to unlock a new layer as of 9.1?

[dense plover]

You need to clear the previous layer with a 4 gem success

So you can’t skip to layer 9 no

[silent urchin]

4 isn't that hard to get, especially with the latest changes. You definitely don't need to clear everything (although if you do you're likely to be almost guaranteed the 4 gems). There's quite a lot of ways to get score now.

[dense plover]

From what I’ve seen and experienced, if you empower at least once and get through all 6 floors in less than 30 min without a death counting against your score, you get 4 gems

5 is the hard part

Which, after you unlock the knowledge that gives you the extra floors, you definitely want to push for

My first statement ofc is conditional on the torments of the day

Sometimes the torment combos make it much harder

[rustic quarry]

torments are now daily?

[dense plover]

They rotate daily

They’re totally different now

Torghast got a lot of changes

[silent urchin]

if you want to maximise score in the minimum amount of time, I think a 15 minute run will tend to get you close to 100 score by itself via time bonus. Make sure to click everything on the vendor floor, because there's like 4 things and it's worth the same in completion as other floors

boss floor also gives completion, so that's 40 points total in those two alone

There's a few easy bonus points, you can get 10 score for killing two elites within 10s of each other, which is fairly easy

do the help someone quest thing which seems to always spawn on floor 2 now, that's another 10

open the chest which seems to always be on floor 4, again another 10

Not picking any epic powers is another 10, but whether that's worth it is probably very class dependent

for DK most of them are kinda meh as standalone, so it's not exactly hard

but I know some classes have really good ones

That should get you to well over 160 quite easily

even if you skip basically everything else

[rustic quarry]

can you check score before jumping into a new floor?

[silent urchin]

If you're going for 5* it's probably best to be completionist, you can definitely gain more score than you lose by taking longer, and there's like 3-4 bonus categories that are just "rescue all spirits" or smash all pots or whatever

No, it tells you your total completion score as you enter the new one (and how much was empowered which isn't directly how much score you have from that)

I'm sure there will be addons that track things, though

[uncut vault]

did they fix the layer ilvl recommendations, or are they still crazy high?

just checked, still crazy

[cinder beacon]

Any chance sylvanas and the jailer are good guys? She said they’re going to give us free will for the first time

[bitter plaza]

I don't think they're the good guys lol

[cinder beacon]

Does 9.1 explain why they think we don’t have free will, and how exactly they want to get it?

[uncut vault]

I think the idea is that Sylvanas has noble goals, and is definitely right about a lot of the issues of the afterlife, but is just going about it the wrong way

but the Jailer is definitely being set up as just a flat bad guy

he might have been good prior to his imprisonment, but right now, he's so twisted from his imprisonment that he just wants to end everything for revenge

[tepid raft]

Hello! Good morning sun_with_face quick question: if I don't have any reputation @ venari , should I grind that before 9.1 ?

[languid fog]

I'm pretty sure they said Venari rep will be acc wide so yes?

[tepid raft]

And I will need it for purchase of sockets I guess

[languid fog]

If someone could confirm? im sure its right tho

[royal garden]

It already is

[tepid raft]

And do I need the rep in 9.1 ?

Or will it be easier achieved then 🤔

Thx for any help btw. Can't find anything about that

[languid fog]

also Venari no longer sells the socket item in 9.1 - check Preach video for some good info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1ijyX3W4g

[tepid raft]

Ok thanks

[arctic nova]

hello

Have a question if anyone is around

[cunning fossil]

Oo

[arctic nova]

are they changing how many legendaies can be quipped in the patch?

thank you

[cunning fossil]

Not yet

Probably a 2

[dense plover]

^

probably in 9.2, yeah

[uncut vault]

Unlikely that either of them do

[austere gazelle]

I fear that whatever implication is, touching the thread and the realm of the divine and the creation of the cosmos could lead to Resurrection of past entities, so Death wouldnt be so final.

We're maybe going toward an new marvel kind of deal with a creation of a Multiverse that will invade the main timeline...

[cunning fossil]

Ugh

Ngl that sounds needlessly complicated

[pulsar minnow]

Gonna have to agree here. Marvel has kind of gotten boring to me now that they’re introducing multiverses and whatnot. And- in general I think it’s just such a crazy concept that it’ll kind of ruin what universe we’ve built in WoW thus far. I think the easy solution to this problem is to just have someone or something seal the veil at the end of the expansion.

[uncut vault]

that'll probably end up being Sylvanas if anyone 😛

[cunning fossil]

No redemption arc

Please.

Some people don't deserve it.

She's a good character with botched writing so far but that doesn't excuse anything imo

[uncut vault]

I mean thats kinda the point of a redemption arc 😛 it isnt excusing it, it's making up for it

excusing it is what Illidan got, vindication

[cunning fossil]

I don't know if it will be making up for it ngl.

Just feels bad and lazy

She did all these bad things but she's gonna be good now cuz she realized bad thing yay good thing now

I want like, punishment ngl.

I mean, I feel like she at least did some Revendreth Entry level stuff

[uncut vault]

She did, but shes also not dead at present, its not quite their dominion. Atonement for her actions is punishment in itself

as would being the one to seal away the maw and fix what she caused there

[cunning fossil]

I'd personally say that just sealing the Maw away doesn't cut it personally.

Like how would she atone? Simply fixing things isn't atoning for them. There should be more, both in the Shadowlands and on Azeroth.

[light compass]

Maybe the maw will be resealed again with sylvanas inside

It would be a punishment

[cosmic beacon]

Maybe sylvanas sacrifices herself to seal the maw and she’s trapped there?

Tho thatd be a pretty predictable redemption

[uncut vault]

thats... exactly what atoning for it is haha, fixing her mistakes and setting things right in whatever way she can is the best possible form of punishment

stuff beyond that is just wanton continuation of a cycle of cruelty

and that can include being the new person watching over in the Maw to set right what she helped let loose, too

[cosmic beacon]

Being trapped there to watch over it is a fitting end imo

But I ain’t no story writer so

[pulsar minnow]

Gonna be honest here I don’t think Sylvanas even knows how in the heck to seal a rift between two planes of existence

Seems to me as more of a First One or Eternal One job

[peak bloom]

she could become the new jailer

[pulsar minnow]

I doubt it

[peak bloom]

and forever be in the maw

[uncut vault]

Id say it is in a lot of ways, brings her desire to escape eternal torment from Edge of Night full circle by both avoiding the pointless eternal torment she would have gotten, but also still having atonement and punishment in the very same place she tried to avoid.

And beyond that, it will likely end up being as much her choice to atone as much as something put upon her

[uncut vault]

I mean, shes the one who ripped it open with the helm in the first place 😛

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah and I doubt she knows how any of this stuff works

[uncut vault]

she's got access to the power of the maw itself

She's opening maw portals aplenty on her own in 9.1, what little we've seen of her in 9.0 shows she clearly has knowledge of the various leaders and powers of the Shadowlands

[pulsar minnow]

Based on how much stuff we’re looting off of Sylvanas… I think she’s dead. She might just be a soul from here on out, but I don’t think we need to see a full fledged redemption arc. We can just leave her at the end of Shadowlands with her atoning under the guidance of the Eternal Ones

[uncut vault]

She only drops her weapons now, they never actually added the shoulderpads or anything

and she goes into banshee form halfway through the fight anyways

[slender quest]

she doesnt drop her shoulders ?

[uncut vault]

No, the models were datamined but never given an item

[slender quest]

if that's true, then even Garrosh dropped more

[pulsar minnow]

She still drops her quiver and her bow though. As well as Saurfang’s soul. I just can’t reasonably see Blizzard just not killing her. They know how the fans would react. People want her brought to justice in SL. Not made into a lord of the dead.

[uncut vault]

People also dont want her to die lol, Sylvanas has a very large variety of fans and detractors

she's far from universally disliked

[slender quest]

^

I dont want her dead

[uncut vault]

if blizz were concerned with just pleasing fans, they would have cut their losses on the push for Sylvanas into a cosmic villain halfway through BfA, but they didnt, theyre clearly sticking out through whatever their intentions with her are

and the setup of her doubts in 9.0 and 9.1 arent something that end with "and then she just dies", given Anduin doesnt seem to be free by the end of the patch

[pulsar minnow]

She has a lot of fans, but also a lot of people hate her. That’s why she’s a villain and it’s also why she’s a raid boss. Arthas is one of the most beloved characters ever and they still killed him off. They didn’t pull a last minute “he did it because he was good!”

Sylvanas committed genocide. There’s no way you can justify this. Anduin even points this out in the cinematic

[uncut vault]

I dont think anyone thinks its being justified

hence why it isnt a vindication like what Illidan got

Sylvanas is a villain at the moment, yes, and what she did was wrong, the story is very clear about that

the characters also arent really looking to kill her besides Tyrande, though, and even thats up for grabs post-campaign

even during the fight, Thrall and Jaina are yelling for Sylvanas to stand down, and that she still has a chance to stop what she's doing

Arthas was a major and beloved character, absolutely, and he had a whole expansion dedicated to him, with the patch of his death flat out called "Fall of the Lich King"

9.1 isnt really being marketed as "finally kill Sylvanas!", Anduin is the face of the patch, the raid stuff talks about taking down her minions, her achievements talk about confronting her

Even if Sylvanas does end up dying this expansion, its very unlikely it'll be at the end of this raid

[pulsar minnow]

I’m not saying she dies for good

We’re in the Shadowlands after all

But her physical form is put to an end in this raid. She can maybe help us out for the remainder of Shadowlands, but then we leave her on an ambiguous note.

[dense plover]

i dont think so

[uncut vault]

Nothing about that really requires her losing her body, though, and just from a marketing standpoint, if theyre going to leave her on an ambiguous note, much easier to leave her intact to come back in whatever form they need

[dense plover]

^^^^

[uncut vault]

rather than restricted to being a dead spirit

if shes going to end up helping us, its much more of a patch cliffhanger to have it be a "wait dont kill me, only I can help you" than her dying and just... popping up right next to herself anyways and saying the same thing? haha

[pulsar minnow]

People want vengeance. Leaving her untouched would be incredibly disappointing

[uncut vault]

then its a good thing the entire point of this xpacs theme is that vengeance is not a worthy goal 😛

repeated multiple times over in 9.1 prior to the raid, too

again, blizzard's themes and writing are not really concerned with the immediate player reaction, people are going to react aversely no matter what they do with Sylvanas

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they literally brought back Illidan because of player reaction

If they’re not writing for the players and to get a reaction, then who are they writing this for?

[uncut vault]

I think its pretty clear after the last few xpacs that they're writing it for their own ideas and concepts haha

and thyere only going further into them despite criticism of the rapid cosmic expansion

[cunning fossil]

I guess I'd be fine with it.

Just wanna move on from Sylvanas ngl.

It's boring and predictable cuz you can't make favorite charactwr bad and have them killed off.

[cunning fossil]

Probably better than the current WoW team. Kek.

[uncut vault]

I think both fans of her and people who dislike her want Sylvanas put down from the writers hands, at least for a good while

current team is not handling her very well, wrap up her current arc, put her somewhere where they can bring her back at a later date ala Illidan, preferably with some different writers haha

[cunning fossil]

I getcha. Sorry if I come off as rude and stuff it's just frustrating somewhat

I am a Legion baby so I honestly have no scope of Sylvanas from before

I know she's a tragic character but that's all I hear about her

Then I see her do a lot of incredibly shady shit and suddenly I should feel sorry for her slightly this patch

It may just not be clicking with me tho. Which is fair

[uncut vault]

a lot of her intrigue mainly came from her not being a villain, mainly, she had understandable, non-vague motivations for what she did, and was on our team despite those actions which was something characters had to grapple with.

BfA kind of just pushed her into flat evil villain role, with vague and inconsistent motivations that came up as plot demanded

her shady acts before could be argued to have positive impacts on those she was fighting for, but with BfA they just pushed it to "unprovoked genocide" and theres no real way to have any nuance with that

[cunning fossil]

Yeah. Very true

[uncut vault]

which is a big issue with Shadowlands, she works very well with pre-BfA Sylvanas and that conflict over how much bad she's willing to do

not so much with BfA Sylvanas who burned an entire city and was gleefully raising people left and right

[cunning fossil]

Ahh so basically, if we skipped BFA

The story would be better

[uncut vault]

Pretty much, I honestly think the general idea was that the 9.0 slot was "the Sylvanas death xpac", and given they start planning ideas two or so xpacs in advance, from Legion they had to start figuring out how to get her there, hence the focus shifting to her then

but the writing team shifted between Legion and BfA, and its pretty obvious they both had very different ideas of how to get her into the position she's in now

[cunning fossil]

I can get behind that logic xp

[terse patrol]

Issue with Sylvanas is she’s not even that tragic. Her death and raising into undeath sucked, but unlike so many, she chose to do evil even before her Jailer stint.

Her entire Warcraft game history is one of genocide and deception.

She never deserved redemption.

At least Arthas had the excuse of being manipulated and eventually mind controlled.

Sylvanas chose to continue being Scourge-lite and eventually full blown Scourge.

@cunning fossil @uncut vault

[unborn glacier]

Nope

[unborn glacier]

She does

[cunning fossil]

You on that

COPIUM Bai

[unborn glacier]

Nah

[terse patrol]

Had a idea. Won’t happen, but I think it’d be cool.

Revelation that dryads/keepers are reincarnated night elves. End of Shadowlands results in the slain night elves of BFA getting fast tracked into dryads/keepers.

[tulip sun]

Personally im meh on the idea. Let them be their own thing

[terse patrol]

I mean, it makes sorts sense. Wild Gods are revived in magic seeds. Dryads/Keepers are born from acorns.

They’re born as teenagers.

[tulip sun]

It just feels odd to me? Why would the Kaldorei be special and be able to be reborn while other races are not. So far only powerful nature spirits can

[terse patrol]

They’re Elune’s chosen, who she intervenes for.

[tulip sun]

Elune probably has billions of worshippers.

I doubt they are that special.

[cosmic beacon]

Wasn’t it mentioned that Elune is a recognised diety all over the universe?

Or atleast in way more civilisations than just those on Azeroth

[terse patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347751725903380492/856602399866224681/unknown.png

Thiiiiis feels like foreshadowing.

@tulip sun Also, they’re her chosen people on the most important planet in the material plane.

I think that’s some merit.

[tulip sun]

Idk what that quote has to do with Kaldorei

[tulip sun]

Yeah, several important NPCs we meet in several realms were also Night Warriors

[cosmic beacon]

Ye so it’d make not much sense if just night elves were given social treatment

[terse patrol]

It’s an unrelated quote.

I’m saying I think we might get trapped in the Shadowlands.

(Temporarily.)

[tulip sun]

Not to mention the WQ does not seem...fond of her sister's pets as she calls them.

So I doubt she would would have been sending just the Kaldorei back cause they are her sister's favorites

[strange falcon]

Not 9.1 related but im not posting this in #retail-wow or #no-wow-discussion
So enjoy it,
I'll disable the embed in case it bothers ppl, its a vid on mmos
https://youtu.be/kkGnCMjltJQ

[slender quest]

Is this Taliesin's brother? He looks like he is

[strange falcon]

He's british,but not related to taliesin

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/MaveOnline/status/1407036363497644032

Alex 'Mave' Gonzalez (@MaveOnline)

@cheersitskatie Give her a fate worse than death. Have her moderate class feedback forums for all eternity.

Twitter · Jun 21, 2021, 6:03 PM

[cosmic beacon]

Lmao

The worst fate imaginable

[unborn glacier]

Lmfao

Even Sylvanas doesn't deserve that

[cunning fossil]

no no. this would be fair

[unborn glacier]

Nah

[cunning fossil]

yah

[unborn glacier]

Nah

[frigid dawn]

is there a new feast and flask in 9.1 or do we default to old one ?

[dense plover]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/new-profession-items-on-the-patch-9-1-chains-of-domination-ptr-321989

[frigid dawn]

thanks

[dense plover]

only thing i found by google

idk if there is more - probably?

[frigid dawn]

Yeah i found the same

[dense plover]

oh wait

database

gimme 1 min

[frigid dawn]

thanks

[dense plover]

nope

no new feast

lemme check alchemy

[frigid dawn]

👌

[dense plover]

nope

[frigid dawn]

thanks

[dense plover]

just some legendary stuff for some of the professions and then some goof off items and generic food stuff

[frigid dawn]

i guess i can stock up guild bank with some feasts

thanks 🙂

[austere gazelle]

Deaths of Chromie scenario is exactly the event I'm implying

[rotund prawn]

What new campaigns stuff is happening in 9.1

[ancient jasper]

Fuck that. Manabombing Theramore should've earned him a place in The Maw.

[tulip sun]

How is that a good solution? Thank God players don't write the story.

[dense plover]

It’s not funny

It’s just dumb

Yeah cool

<@&299347348847329281>

It’s not funny

Insults aren’t welcome here

[uncut vault]

“Haha violent sexism, so funny”

Nobody here has been making jokes about it so

[dense plover]

Not here pretty much ever actually

Oh

They’re gone

Good riddance

[uncut vault]

[tulip sun]

Did I miss something? 👀

[uncut vault]

just someone with some... intense opinions on Sylvanas and Garrosh

[tropic trail]

Anyone know what happen with valdor points In 9.1?

[uncut vault]

it's unclear, but they seem to be resetting, earlier builds kept them around but more recent ones have set it to zero

but theres no mail messages with gold or anything so we dont fully know

[tropic trail]

No gold or anything for have them, that sucks balls

[dense plover]

They might do something

But they won’t announce it until this week

Otherwise people would purposefully grind valor in order to get that currency

[light compass]

I don't think that's really a protection from what Sylvanas did.

She herself went much further than Arthas had ever gone. You have to let that roll off your tongue.

She is even worse then Arthas right now

Arthas actions were already terrible, but Sylvanas went much further, damning not only thousands upon thousands on Azeroth, but throughout the cosmos with her actions.

[tropic trail]

Woud be Nice atleast get some gold for them or they reset in the air for noting for so many dungens

[light compass]

"I went us all free" is no excuse, the thing that happened to her..is no real excuse..in the end..she have to be stopped..and it would be only fair if she would die for her deeds..and no, a sacrifice is NO redemption.

[tulip sun]

The maw thing was kinda happening regardless of what Sylvanas did.

So to put all the universe's souls on her is meh

[uncut vault]

thats something that 9.0 at least tries to put into perspective, Sylvanas is a very small piece of this puzzle

She's important, definitely, but up till now she's far less of a piece than Muehzala or Helya were

which in the end is probably the point of the whole "vengeance vs justice" story with her, she's inevitably going to be disposed of by the Jailer once she's no longer of use, and she's already starting to doubt and turn away a bit

killing her at that point wouldnt be justice, it would be vengeance

similar to what Uther did to Arthas

[foggy abyss]

I think it'll be a mix of both tbh

imo she will die to atone, this wholeplotline relies heaviely on choice, that perhaps will be her own real choice or something similar

[uncut vault]

thats likely the crux of it, be it dying or becoming the new jailer or whatever her ultimate fate is, it'll probably be something she does

[light compass]

This is partly word picking, I mean, we have killed so many bosses who did much less than Sylvanas and had just as many reasons for their actions, I did not see such an outcry in their cases..

[uncut vault]

I mean, the players, both on a canon level and a meta irl person level, dont have nearly the attachment to all the random people we've killed compared to Sylvanas

we've also killed people for a lot less than what Jaina did to the belfs or the zandalari, but she lived 😛

in the end it's a story, and scale is relative to the narrative at hand

the current narrative is very much on a cosmic scale

[light compass]

Thats goes in both ends,never were a character so hated and wanted to be killed then sylvanas

[uncut vault]

oh definitely, the best word to describe Sylvanas is contentious, shes neither universally loved nor hated

[deep pawn]

Man, I'm hoping an early hotfix in season 2 makes domination sockets a raid only reward.

[strange falcon]

I thought they already were?

Same as the tier effect being raid only too

[deep pawn]

As far as I know, only the set bonus is disabled outside of the maw

The gems themselves are still active

[vernal magnet]

they can still do tuning right even if theres a release candidate?

[cosmic beacon]

Ye

If they think something needs tuning they can still do it before release

But this close don’t expect much

[uncut vault]

release usually just means "this is a state we are fine with shipping it to live in", if any kind of unexpected errors or tuning issues pop up in the next week they can still fix it

[cunning fossil]

If they're happy releasing it this way, that's pretty bad

[strange falcon]

I dont think "happy" was the right word
More "passable enough"

[vernal magnet]

given how much they delayed the patch releasing in this balance state would be a joke

[cunning fossil]

It's dad

They just wanna fuck with Ashes and I think another game is releasing/ has a new expac near this time

[strange falcon]

[unborn glacier]

Yet also as much beloved as her as well.

[cunning fossil]

BAD. I MEANT BAD. HUSH

The patch itself isn't awful but still, this is subpar for how long it took to get it out there.

[dense plover]

I don’t see the sockets as bad - I just see them as a side bonus

I’m not gonna seek them out

But if I get one I’ll use it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[light compass]

i dunno, i mean, the last time i checked this twitter link, 79% wanted sylvanas to be killed, 21% wantet her to survive, many like sylvanas, thats true, but right now many many more seems really annoyed of her.

[uncut vault]

not sure twitter polls are really a way to gauge the entire playerbase lol

[foggy nacelle]

what up fam im new here

[tribal sand]

is there any summary from all changes from 9.0.5 to 9.1 ?

[cosmic beacon]

The patch notes

[tribal sand]

yeah but i like the wowhead style

[light compass]

They do not represent a homogeneous mass but probably really show a relatively good average of the playerbase.

[uncut vault]

Not really, twitter is a terrible space for gauging any opinion

because content will be shared by people with similar opinions, in certain spheres

[light compass]

hrmm, well, point for you

[strange falcon]

Preach is not mythic raider tho

[unborn glacier]

Imagine thinking Twitter is a good scope of reality tho.

[unborn glacier]

This

[slender quest]

just curious.
Are there people who would still buy the Sylvanas book if she gets killed off in the raid?
I wouldn't

[cosmic beacon]

Ofc people will still buy the sylvanas book if she dies

At the end of the day she’s still a big character in lore and has a pretty interesting past at some points

And it’ll still have info we probably don’t know about regarding other events

[slender quest]

fair point

I wouldn't buy it because I would feel like I'm rewarding the writers for , in my opinion, disrespectful writing of my fav character.

[cosmic beacon]

An understandable decision

[tulip sun]

It is very unlikely that she'll die

[cosmic beacon]

Ye I doubt it

Would be kinda dumb just to kill arguably the most important character this expansion that’s had years of build up

In the 2nd raid

If it was the last raid I could see that being possible but not this early

[uncut vault]

thats another reason for why shes unlikely to die, at least this patch

much easier to market a "hey, look at this book detailing all the bits unseen until now about the character we just left on a major cliffhanger!" than "heres all the stuff we refused to tell you about a character who is dead and gone"

[tulip sun]

I feel like it is kinda tricky

She is one of the 'OG' leaders, the only female leader for the longest time on the Horde.

So they likely don't wanna perma kill her

[slender quest]

I don't know. I felt the same way until more and more people said she will die and now I'm totally insecure

[cosmic beacon]

We will find out soon enough

[slender quest]

thankfully. The faster it's done the better

I really want her Daggers und her Bow, but I don't want to feel bad looting it when she dies :S

[pulsar minnow]

to be fair they did the same with gul'dan

[cosmic beacon]

True but i can’t see it being the case with sylvanas

[pulsar minnow]

well again we're in the Shadowlands. Theoretically should she die at the Arbiter's Crucible, her soul would just reappear right there. I can already hear the Jailer going "Every soul has it's purpose, and you have fulfilled yours, Sylvanas Windrunner." and then he opens a portal and leaves with Anduin in tow. From there Sylvanas can still hang around but she can't do anything really.

[slender quest]

I want Sylvanas to safe Anduin, at the least

[dense plover]

Most people aren’t mythic raiders. In fact, I bet most people don’t raid at all outside LFR

[strange falcon]

Most people that are invested in pve are metasheep that blindly follow mythic raiders

So more or less same rules apply,
Hence the pugging gatekeepers

[dense plover]

Also not true

That’s the vocal minority

Small group but very loud

[mystic heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0-df5JpdsA

[strange falcon]

Idk man,most people that i know personally and even ppl in various servers do lament the pug hell,
Even if they arent meta sheep,they still enforce the meta and decline others

[deep pawn]

I don't like raiding which is why I'm disappointed that there's gear that can only be gotten from the raid that's better than anything else

In PvE there's a possibility that normal domination sockets are stronger than mythic ilvl m+ gear

[unborn glacier]

Thats the way it should be.

[deep pawn]

I disagree.

[unborn glacier]

Cool

Unique gear is part of the incentive of raiding

[deep pawn]

So let it only work in the raid like the set bonus

[unborn glacier]

Set bonuses have historically worked everywhere, inside and outside the raid

[deep pawn]

Until they felt that punished pvpers and m+ players and removed them.

[unborn glacier]

No, that it not the reason at all.

Blizzard stated their reasons behind the removal of set bonuses. They wanted to create gear for armor type and had the azerite system in mind to replace the sets. Neither were well received.

[deep pawn]

It's straight out of Ions mouth that set bonuses are hard to add back in because of the three pillars of end game and having people feel like loot from 2 of those is useless

[unborn glacier]

Set bonuses were not removed because of pvp and m+

PvP used to have its own set bonuses

[strange falcon]

Pvpers and m+ did complain they were forced to pve,

Just like how pve and m+ complained they were forced to pvp in shadowlands

[deep pawn]

First we'll see domination sockets nerfed in PvP and then they'll either disable in m+ or let you add them to m+ gear for valor

[strange falcon]

Is it? Never heard that quote,
But i do know that class sets in some forms are coming this expac

Whether cosmetic or tierset is not known

[unborn glacier]

No one else did either

Set bonuses are returning in 9.2

[deep pawn]

He's done a few interviews where they said set bonuses don't work with multiple sources of gear and left players feeling locked into slots.

[unborn glacier]

Ion confirmed

[strange falcon]

That was more a response to why they moved to 6 tierslots instead of 4 i think

[deep pawn]

Nah, this was shadowlands alpha interviews

I'm guessing they think if they can force people to raid it'll stop the bleeding?

[unborn glacier]

Force* yikes

Just because you hate what raiders like, doesn't mean you can act like it's roundly hated

[deep pawn]

I work a floating schedule, I can't commit to a raiding guild and pugging raids is not a thing I'll put myself through

[strange falcon]

I dont think the intent was forcing people to raid,as ppl were already being "virtually forced" as the community would have you know,in bfa and legion.

The purpose of the change is to make raiders not have to m+ because one is spammable and the other isnt,
Also the reason m+ ilvl is 3 ilvls lower than heroic

It was a common problem in legion and bfa where raidgear became obsolete quickly because of spamming m+

[deep pawn]

I'm fine with raiders having their own gear be best for their content, just don't enable it outside of raids

[unborn glacier]

That's absolutely unfair to them then

[strange falcon]

Its blizzards decision, they enabled tiersets to be available in pvp and m+ for 15 years,and people complained it was forcing them to pve

Then they made pvp vendors and people complained they were being forced to pvp

[deep pawn]

Is it fair to pvpers that their gear is lower ilvl in PvE? I'm not asking for that. Domination sockets are extra stat budget over anything else the same ilvl

[unborn glacier]

"You did this really challenging content and got this unique cool gear. But, you won't get any benefit from it in anything else you do, so your time is now wasted,"

[deep pawn]

You have the gear to raid better, that's the benefit

[strange falcon]

The lower gear from pvp in pve is to address the issue of the pvp vendor existing in the first place,

Which has made m+ and raid players complain they are "forced" to pvp to get gear

Because m+ is spammable but random and raid is few drops per week while pvp has a vendor

[deep pawn]

As it stands right now, a normal raid drop can be stronger than your weekly cache reward for a +15.

[unborn glacier]

You fundamentally do not understand this topic and just want to punish people who have more free time than you so you can feel better about not being able to do the same thing

[strange falcon]

Baifeng coming off a little standoff ish

[deep pawn]

No, I want Blizzard to continue treating m+ as an equal path of progression for people who can't or don't raid.

[unborn glacier]

They should, but not by tearing down the others but by building up m+

Giving it a more robust endgame system.

[deep pawn]

It's not tearing down raiders. They still get the best parses in the raid, the last bosses still drop slightly higher ilvl. They already disabled the set bonus, just disable the sockets

[unborn glacier]

It is tearing them down

Period

[strange falcon]

Balancing an infinitely spammable system against one with a deterministic vendor,against one thats not spammable is not the easiest feat.
Also why pvp was the #1 way to get gear, you had people fully decked out in mythic ilvl gear by the time they were doing the bosses

[deep pawn]

M+ gearing is largely the weekly cache.

[unborn glacier]

You want to rob others of their rewards for their efforts. You don't want something on par, just for them to not have benefits to what they earned

[strange falcon]

Just for the record i dont agree on baifeng "me vs them" comments,
Dont think thats the issue here

[deep pawn]

Ilvl is on par still if not higher on some slots for the raiders. They just wouldn't be 7-9% better than people who only do m+

[strange falcon]

Also would like to point out that blizzard doesnt have the best track record for listening to feedback.
So what i see happening is them releasing it as is,and only if the feedback is strong enough,will they change it 1 or 2 months into the patch

Screenshot this to check in a few months

[unborn glacier]

It is. He doesn't want m+ to be lifted up with more rewards. I want m+ to have much better rewards, mounts, titles, exclusive appearances, unique gear. It shouldn't come through tearing down the other endgame paths. Kyle's own words has stated clearly he doesn't want raiders to have any benefit of their gear outside of raid. He wants to punish them fir it. That's not a good mentality.

[deep pawn]

Hotfix two weeks into the season will nerf or disable the sockets in pvp. 9.1.5 will give a vendor to socket m+ gear

[vernal magnet]

no tuning today?

big sad

i cri

[deep pawn]

Raiders already get the armor transmog, they get mounts, they get titles. Hunter raiders get two unique effects (rip survival).

[vernal magnet]

survival has the staff

with 3 min cd :p

[deep pawn]

If m+ is meant to be a third pillar, m+ should be the way to be the best in it.

[unborn glacier]

They should be. If you don't do all the content, you shouldn't be able to compete with those that do. I don't pvp, but I don't believe that I should be able to go into pvp and rekt without doing pvp first.

[strange falcon]

I think he's actually having a "more time = more reward" kind of deal,
If he does m+ 24hrs a day,
And a raider comes in with his 24hrs a day and 0 in m+ he's supposedly stronger than the 24hr m+ers

[unborn glacier]

That's a good thing

[deep pawn]

It's not

Raiders aren't some special golden children

[strange falcon]

I have to go somewhere so I'll leave you two to keep running in circles and never reach a resolution to your arguments

[unborn glacier]

Neither are m+ players. But you sure think that m+ should be able to dominate over raiding.

[deep pawn]

How would disabling the sockets in m+ and pvp make m+ dominate the raiders, it'd make them equal

[unborn glacier]

It wouldn't

[deep pawn]

The sockets don't take any secondary stat budget from items, that's why 5 gems is so much stronger than items of the same ilvl

[unborn glacier]

You fundamentally do not understand the topic. I'm over this topic. You see this as a zero sum game where raiders have to be punished to uplift those who only do dungeons.

[deep pawn]

I want raiders to be best in their content but not be way ahead of others

Let m+ players get something equally as strong or keep the sockets to the raid only

Blizzard clearly sees the problem by disabling the set bonus already

[pulsar minnow]

I don't see why they just shouldn't allow players to socket domination runes on, say, Tazavesh gear or something

[deep pawn]

That'll be the 9.1.5 fix as people don't engage the raid enough

Blizzard is always harping on you should always want to equip the highest ilvl you can but these sockets mess than up again

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly I can kind of see why Blizz wants to implement the new runes just to add a bit of flavor to the new raid, but if I remember correctly don't they only work in the Maw/Torghast/SoD?

I believe the Unholy Runes only work like that Edit: didn't see the previous convo, just jumped in at the end so I dont know if this was already covered

[deep pawn]

The set bonus is raid only, the sockets work everywhere including pvp

[pulsar minnow]

ah gotcha

Yeah they should probably be disabled. It should be an easy enough fix

[deep pawn]

With equal ilvl gear, 5 sockets is about 7-9% stronger than not.

[pulsar minnow]

oh wow. that's.... way more than I thought

[deep pawn]

It's enough that you'll definitely use heroic raid drops over +15 cache loot

For those 5 slots

[pulsar minnow]

I think they might just want to add the sockets onto the new PvP gear, and up the ilevel on the chest/shoulders/helm from tazavesh. Allow Sockets to drop from M+ or be purchased with honor. Ez fix

heck the new pvp gear is maw themed after all

[deep pawn]

Nah, this patch is just them trying to cater to the raiders over the small group people.

[pulsar minnow]

I don't think that's exactly true to be honest. I just think this is blizz really sold on this fun flavor feature and are unwilling to change it because of... RPG aspects or whatever

[unborn glacier]

Kyle, because you do not raid, you fundamentally do not understand or value the time and effort put into it. Because of this, you do not see it as equal and therefore, easily justify wanting to punish them for m+ lacking the same lvl of development. I have pvpd, I raid and I do m+. The three are not equal, and that is okay. Blizzard has royally fucked up by neglecting m+ for all of bfa and so far in Slands. It's not okay that m+ hasn't been further iterated on. So what if it doesn't award the best geat. It should have crazy awesome rewards take up for it, and that's on Blizz for not doing that. I get you feel slighted, because you don't have the same free time to be able to put into the game. It is just a game after all, but that is not an excuse to see this as a zero sum game where there needs to be a winner and a loser. You should advocate more for unique endgame rewards and systems for m+, nort advocating to punish others for having things you don't. My last thoughts on the topic.

[opaque pewter]

It's not entirely fair to say that rewards from a pass-fail activity would be strictly equal to a completion reward, even if chance based. There would be some advantage for the former

That said, a possible venue to reduce that gap with more equivalent reward is to maybe have a pass-fail reward system for M+, like completing a 20+ in time

[deep pawn]

I find raiding boring and way too long. That's the biggest reason I don't want to feel compelled to do it.

I've already said I want the raiders to be the absolute best in their content. I'm happy they'd be much stronger in the raid than someone who doesn't. That's not zero sum. If anything raiders still have their massive advantage in the content they see a superior. It's too late in the game to see anything for m+ so I'm pushing for the easiest change that blizzard can do

And I have raided, I make a point to do AotC every time there's a mount involved. It's just I'm "old" now and I don't have the time to commit to 10+ raid bosses and really don't enjoy the end bosses that are 15 minute long fights

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1407459514761154563

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

proc weapons for 9.1 raid are on Trinketaur on PTR if you wanna give them a shot!

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 10:04 PM

[uncut vault]

blizz teases me so hard with this on dark ranger spell effects for hunters lol

[devout tartan]

So cool

[deep pawn]

is that the wailing arrow?

Looks like they made it look exactly like HotS

[devout tartan]

True!

[uncut vault]

It is

[dense plover]

omg

jaithys is voiced

[deep pawn]

Feels bad, I hate how ranged hunters play, I like survival

[royal garden]

survival broken

only in pvp tho

[deep pawn]

at least survival gets the Q cloak

[uncut vault]

they also get a weapon from the nine that turns them into a mawsworn valkyr

[deep pawn]

Isn't that the weapon druids want nerfed cause you have to do degenerate stuff on the pull

[tropic belfry]

damn why they are not doing hunter class more magical class. or special skin like shadow hunter / dark ranger/ warden/

or more important melee shadow priest 😄

[royal garden]

no

[dense plover]

because its the middle on an expac?

and new specs arent happening

[deep pawn]

Orphea is savage to Sylvanas. "Is there any battles you haven't lost?"

[vernal magnet]

have they said whether they are resetting stygia yet?

[vernal juniper]

Hello, can anyone confirm if the skip for the new zone for alts will be aviable on day 1 or only after we will learn flight?=

[mossy meteor]

Stygia won't be resed and won't be used for player power related stuff

In 9.1

[vernal magnet]

How do you buy the gear in korthia with domination sockets then? @mossy meteor

[unborn glacier]

Afaik, only gear from the raid get domination sockets

[mossy meteor]

^

You can buy 1 lfr level item from a vendor

And it probably won't have sockets for your armor type

[dense plover]

It does have 1 socket

But it’s only 1 piece

So - you can fill in a gap but on it’s own, it’s kinda worthless outside of base stats

[crisp steeple]

the transmog glasses has no source yet right?

do they show up in the transmog tab in PTR?

[dense plover]

Btw - new build today

Very minor

[faint nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuVLKgXzKo

[clever frigate]

guys do

does the new dungeon comes out before the season start

or it comes out on season

[dense plover]

probably season start

but i bet the leadup quest will be available earlier

[deep pawn]

First week is korthia, a bit of renown and that's it. M0 loot doesn't change til season start.

[cunning fossil]

New M+ Vault change

Sucks ass

Fuck me I guess

[bitter plaza]

what'd they change?

[mossy meteor]

@cunning fossil no it doesn't suck

if you can do a +14 you can do a +15

[primal dirge]

Max end of dungeon now 14 and Max vault now 15

[mossy meteor]

it's not like they made the highest ilvl +20

seriously

get a grip

[cosmic beacon]

Ah that’s the change thought it’d be a lot worse than that

[primal dirge]

Literally game ruining

[royal garden]

what a joke

[cosmic beacon]

Have to run loads of 15s for KSM anyway so not a big deal

[cunning fossil]

I can barely get into a 14 as is dude

Like for a player like me, whi can't scrape up a group to do KSM and the only +15 keys I've been in have been my own, this shit sucjs

Like what was wrong with how it was before?

It's pointless for the most part

But I'm more casual so I guess I don't deserve it, amirite

[young latch]

I’d like to do ahead of the curve but I’m 9/10 and most of our guildies left because of the content drought. The denathrius fight is fun, too. :T

[cunning fossil]

Lowkey depressing.

[cosmic beacon]

It’s a negligible change at the end of the day

And makes more sense tbf

[cunning fossil]

It's not negligible. Because when a new season stats

They want your "old KSM

Or you're not gonna get fucking invited

[royal garden]

it was pretty weird that the max gear was only obtainable in 15s

and max vault was 14

[cosmic beacon]

Ye

[royal garden]

in the end 14-15 is pretty much the same

[cunning fossil]

Man I just wanna play the game. They're making it harder for no reason

You say that but to the people in Group Finder it's leagues apart

[royal garden]

i've pugged from scratch

to 2.1k io

ik how lfg is

[cunning fossil]

You probably 0lay a more meta class then

[cosmic beacon]

Ah ye it’s because of meta classes lmao

[royal garden]

boomie, havoc, ret

but class doesn't change much

i've spent days without getting invited to anything

[cunning fossil]

That's me everyday

Wmand it's depressing when I just wanna complete a 14 to get some loot it's not like I'm asking for loot ona. Silver tray.

[royal garden]

but it literally wont change anything

[cunning fossil]

I try my best for it man. I think I am capable of doing and achieving KSM but I can't ever get a group together

[royal garden]

it'll be a fraction harder

but still the same

[cosmic beacon]

At the end of the day it’s a change that makes sense and is a very minor change at best

[cunning fossil]

Then why even make it?

Literally a pointless change

[cosmic beacon]

Could say the same for any other minor change they make, ye no one asked for it but it doesnt exactly harm the game

It makes more sense for 15s to give the best gear not 14s

[primal dirge]

The change is arguably a good thing for more people getting ksm. If all the sweaty players are only farming 15s now for weekly instead of 14s and 15s it'll be easier to get joiners for your ksm 15s

[cunning fossil]

Just because it's a 15, everyone will add the "Link KSM"

[cosmic beacon]

Not exactly

Not everyone who uses LFG is a sweaty hardcore who only accepts 1.6k+ rios

Most are normal players just looking for someone who they think is capable

[cunning fossil]

That is fair. I don't think EVERYONE is a swe a ty neckbeard

Perhaps I'm just tiled

[cosmic beacon]

A lil

[cunning fossil]

Since I spend most of my time in WoW waiting on queues for hours on end

And sometimes never get to even play

[cosmic beacon]

Understandable

[cunning fossil]

Hopefully you're right and it is just easier to do 15s and join those groups.
Maybe I can Get KSM this season

[mossy meteor]

Make your own group

[cosmic beacon]

Or find a community

[cunning fossil]

It's hard to find a good one

Since I look it up often and I joined a few and they're kind dead :/

I'd love to have a semi regular group to Tike dungeons with thst didn't judge me on class/cove choice

I do try to make my own groups.

I get a lot of leavers tho

That love to mess with my keys half way through the dungeon

So bad experience again but I still do so

[mossy meteor]

All i see is that it's a you problem

Not a blizzard one

[cunning fossil]

Christ ok. No need to be a dick about it I was just saying that I dislike it.

Sheesh

[young latch]

Cross-faction play would help a lot of people for sure.

[thorny jasper]

more factions.

[cosmic beacon]

[thorny jasper]

less factions.

[ancient jasper]

Works for me.

[storm marsh]

Do we know if the 4th covenant tmog set tints are removed or just hidden?

[uncut vault]

currently unimplemented

[pulsar minnow]

They might be added in like 9.1.5 or 9.2 in all honesty since they’re not in now

[pulsar minnow]

Also- I noticed something in the 9.1 survival guide. In 9.1 the Maw obviously expands and takes up more of the skybox, but there’s a specific scene that shows what I think happens after the raid

It appears the skybox is now going to remain engulfed completely by the maw, mimicking the original Maw skybox with the orange hue.

[mossy meteor]

Oh good catch

Would make sense given the last phase of sylvanas' fight

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Can you DM me what was apparently spoiled please 👀

[mossy meteor]

@tulip sun look above

The screenshot tiridan posted

[tulip sun]

Interesting

Suggests we lose. Which i expectef

[dense plover]

We have to

This is our wrath gate moment

We need to lose but learn about the villain

And their allies

And our allies

If this is a true wrathgate moment, we might get betrayed by who we thought was an ally

Or a strong ally will show up at the last minute

[mossy meteor]

mawduin

[uncut vault]

well they uh, kinda fixed the cloaks?

theyre proper raid models now, but only leather cloaks

Oh theres cloth too, but still, really weird

[dense plover]

I forgot that cloaks are still armor specific

Weird

They should just be type cloak

And then just do the main stat switcheroo thing

I mean - I get it for transmog and set purposes

But it’s still weird

[jade basalt]

The skybox was already there on PTR

It's just that on Live it'll probably only appear post-raid

Like this is from April https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/darker-oribos-skybox-on-the-patch-9-1-ptr-321834

And Steve Danuser had already said we'd see a big difference in the sky after the raid

[pulsar minnow]

As I said that’s already there on PTR, but this is an even more advanced stage of that. The entirety of Oribos has the orange hue and the maw is engulfing the ENTIRE skybox and not just half of it.

These are very different

[jade basalt]

Hmm I think the orange tint was just missing, but I can't really see a difference in the Maw 'strings' or at least from that video?

[pulsar minnow]

If you look in the background you can see the Maldraxxus “spiral” thing

In the 9.1 pre-raid skybox it only reaches up to each zone but never passes, with the dark spiral going around Oribos. Now it’s gone way past that to reflect how it even reached the Arbiter’s Sanctum in SoD

[jade basalt]

Hmm and we're sure it's not an angle thing?

[pulsar minnow]

It doesn’t seem like it to me

Granted it’s not like crazy different, but the orange coloring and whatnot is definitely new

[uncut vault]

There is a specific separate maw/oribos skybox model for post-raid

theres currently 4 maw models and 3 skybox models

because 9.0 had two maws, then beginning of 9.1 shifts to the new one we see on PTR with the sky starting to darken adn the maw reaching towards oribos

then the post-raid one looks like in that screenshot

[dense plover]

huh - reliquary has 3 different keys now - weird

[dense plover]

i dont remember the popup on floor end - when did they add this?

[dense plover]

think i lost out on 5 gems b/c of par time 😭 - im a slow tank

[clever frigate]

So I just finished lvling my dk

Does anyone know how the catch up renown work

[dense plover]

It’s literally in the patch notes

[clever frigate]

I think I need some glasses

I didn't see that

[silent urchin]

The floor end popup has been there for a while

and looks like they tightened up the par time a lot

[storm marsh]

guys, conquest resets when 9.1 hits so I should spend my current CQ?

[tropic trail]

Yeah

[mossy meteor]

Weeks ago

It was a little buggy at first

But it's been a solid month-ish since it was added

[strange falcon]

Tbh if all the changes to torghast were in 9.0 idk if it would have been received as poorly as most ppl said

"Roguelike" inspired and didnt even have results popup

[royal garden]

the mega dungeon bosses look super fun ngl

[light compass]

https://fr.millenium.gg/news/380364.html

all is perspective, even the voice of the narrator..! and we´ll see most likely nathanos in a cinema next week

hrmm..maybe nathanos saved sylvanas to die in front of the night warrior..🤔

[unborn glacier]

???

Is there an English version?

[uncut vault]

google translate shifts it fine, if you've got chrome

Nathanos not showing up yet is intentional, and will be referenced in an upcoming cinematic

[royal garden]

he got cucked by anduin anyways

[uncut vault]

I mean Sylvanas sees anduin as a parallel to her little brother so I sure hope he didnt lol

[unborn glacier]

Only have work wifi rn and their network blocks the site

[slender quest]

I have a feeling we will see more of mustache twirling Sylvanas in 9.1 . Probably even to Nathanos

[tame vortex]

can you already tell which classes will be the top dps this patch? 👀

[royal garden]

depends on fight

group

player

[tame vortex]

m+

[royal garden]

ele shammy, frost mage, fire mage, ww monk, outlaw rogue

havoc also strong

[tame vortex]

monk

[cunning fossil]

You can't confirm that

Fure mage got toned down a bit

Still gotta wait for the patch >->

[strange falcon]

Fure

[royal garden]

still super strong in m+

way better than boomie atleast

[cunning fossil]

I getcha. Not saying it's shit

But yeah you're right it'll be better than. Avergae

No one talks about Survival Hunter AoE

It's fuckin GUCHI

[royal garden]

it's good but

not on ww or rogue level

also melee

[cosmic beacon]

Me want prepatch survival hunter back
Was so good

[royal garden]

[cunning fossil]

Melee Survival is good

https://tenor.com/view/comments-how-you-feel-no-comments-needed-opinion-remark-gif-15317447

[royal garden]

melee classes kinda cringe

except havoc and ww

[cunning fossil]

I play MM Hunter

I know they are

Have big no bro brain

[cosmic beacon]

Ranged are just scared of being close to bad guy

[vast breach]

So, do we know if the new rep factions in Korthria will be rep gated? Or are there options to farm it to exalted on week 1?

I know that Archivist Codex has some renown requirements for using the gear upgrade items, so that gating I understand.

[cunning fossil]

Reputation rep gated? Obviously.
And to farm exalted in one week makes it basically not a thing. Which makes no sense.

[vast breach]

I only ask because I have the whole week off next week and an autistic ability to farm the same mobs and areas for 18 hours a day. 😄

[cunning fossil]

Ahh makes sense x0

I think you could get really high

[dense plover]

Archives codex gear upgrade things have 2 weekly locks

The currency has a season max similar to valor in that you have an expanding cap

But it doesn’t track total over the season

And then some of the upgrades are also locked behind higher renown

Which is still limited to around 2 per week +1 on weeks with campaign stuff

Deaths advance doesn’t have a limit but not a lot gives it - only really campaign quests, dailies, WQs in the maw (one every 3 days to a week) and I think the assaults

Rares also have a small chance of dropping a rep token I think but I wouldn’t consider that viable since rares are generally once per reset

You can get a good amount of reliquary currency and rep tho and because reliquary stuff is items that you consume at the guy to get the rep and currency, you can store it up for when the cap expands i think

Assuming there isn’t some drop rate limit

If my estimates are right, you should be able to max everything about 5 weeks from patch drop

Meanwhile you’ll still be able to somewhat randomly earn the conduit and socket items occasionally

[vernal magnet]

korthia seems kinda smol

[mossy meteor]

Average sized

'bout the same as other sl zones

Bigger than bastion I'd say

[dense plover]

no

its bigger than mechagon tho

and considering its a new area in an X.1 patch, its huge

we never get new areas in X.1

[jaunty sage]

are there gonna be more server merges with 9.1? cuz i just logged onto a toon in orgrimmar on argent dawn US - which is a pretty dead server - and the place was filled with players from other servers

i also saw someone in general chat talking about how blizz is giving us a "sneak peek" of the "server merges" with the coming patch

dunno if they were trolling or what but it sounded legit

[dense plover]

trolling

what youre seeing is cross realm

and thats pretty much always a thing as long as there arent a certain number of people in some places

also ofc there arent a ton of people active

patch drops tuesday, not today

[jaunty sage]

ya exactly

[jaunty sage]

so that cross-realm thing just happens sometimes?

[dense plover]

no

waut'

yes

if multiple servers in a region dont have a certain number of players in some locations, then those locations will be sharded together so that cities and quest hubs are more active

[jaunty sage]

oh i gotcha

[normal belfry]

I am having a hard time finding this in all the 9.1 guides - will N, H, and M0 ilvls go up on patch day, or not until the new season starts on the 6th?

[rotund prawn]

New season I believe

But not certain

[dense plover]

it is ALWAYS when the season starts

if it was on patch day, people would farm M0 the week before

[vernal magnet]

have they said how much keys degrade by yet?

[unborn glacier]

Mr GM found the glasses

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1409516440022097927?s=20

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

FOUND THEM! You can buy the brand new cosmetic Glasses Transmogs from Finn in Stormwind & Ca'nees in Orgrimmar in Patch 9.1

Likes

212

Twitter · Jun 28, 2021, 2:18 PM

@cunning fossil I know you were looking forward to them

[cosmic beacon]

pog

[dense plover]

thats great

[unkempt grove]

hey, i'm not sure where to post this or if it's already been discussed, but 9.1 has added a number of new transmogs to old rares in the maw.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186212/eternas-braided-waistcord drops from eternas
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186611/taraxis-treads drops from darklord taraxis
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186613/rhovus-linked-greaves drops from soulforger rhovus
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186617/deaths-hammer-stompers drops from akros
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186625/hood-of-malevolence drops from malevolent stygia

these are some examples i've found (i have more, as well as some suspicions about which other rares in the maw might drop new items). i'm not sure if these items are unique, so from a transmog perspective they may not be super valuable to most players... but it might be worth making a wowhead post about even if they're not, since they drop at a comparable ilvl to korthia rare gear and most of the mobs are easier to kill, so would probably be simpler to help gear up alts in addition to the daily piece from korthia, or to avoid burning stygia on armaments to send to your alts

[dense plover]

some nice necrolord soulbind buffs in those hotfixes

nothing to make people switch covenants but for people like me who are sticking with them, it makes marileth decently interesting to use for dps

[mossy meteor]

mm

i'm going to switch back to mikanikos on my paladin

i went pelagos

but the bron change is nice

warrior (necro) will stay with emeni because of the extra hearth

druid, not sure, maybe i'll stay dreamweaver

DK probably draven

[dense plover]

emeni has the extra hearth AND the magic shield thing

[cunning fossil]

YEEEEEEES THX FIR THIS.

[strange falcon]

[cunning fossil]

Is it wrong to be excited for glasses Daf? >:3

Oh and Upgrades give sockets, woohoo!

[strange falcon]

A little too excited

[full turret]

Are we able to change this room to PTR 9.2 spoilers? Hahaha

[unborn glacier]

No

Next will be 9.1.5

[dense plover]

Not until next ptr drops or gets close

[unborn glacier]

Not 9.2

[pulsar minnow]

I really wonder if theyll actually try and do a 9.1.5 in a similar vein to the ones they did in Legion and BFA and that level of minor content, seeing as how far behind schedule they are.

[unborn glacier]

I think they'll do .5 patches

There just won't be a 9.3 patch

[pulsar minnow]

You think? We still got a lot of story left to tell in SL dont we?

We still got the Sepulcher, the Brokers' motives and plane of the Shadowlands, and why Zovaal wants Azeroth

[royal garden]

can't wait for 9.2 in 2023

[unborn glacier]

October, 23rd, 2077

[dense plover]

They are not that far behind

This delay is a clear result of the initial expac delay

This is around 5 weeks later than a normal .1 patch, but it also has more content than a normal .1

In addition, the expac was delayed 3 or 4 weeks and the patch team was clearly pulled to help finish that, but the main team wasn’t helping the .1 team because they are probably already working on 9.2

We shouldn’t see anymore patch delays

[strange falcon]

This was the longest time for a .1 patch to come out tho

[dense plover]

Yes, this was also the first delayed expac

And the delay time for initial release and patch release are very similar

Which tells us they’re probably related

My blizzard contact said there aren’t anymore expected delays. This patch being late was expected

Though it did go a week or two over

[uncut vault]

well, not the first 😛

TBC was delayed too

[dense plover]

🙄

You know what I mean

All I know is that this patch had expected to be late like the expac was, but since they also started on 9.2 after expac launch, 9.2 is not expected to be delayed

That doesn’t mean it won’t be, but it means it shouldn’t be 5 weeks+ late

[ancient jasper]

As for 9.1 being pretty big.. We're coming up on about the time a lot of other Expansions got their .2 patch from what I can see looking at release dates.

[dense plover]

Uh no we aren’t

The fuck world are you in

First patch is usually 5-6 months post raid

We are 4-5 weeks late

.2 is usually 6 months after the 2nd raid

The whole schedule is off by the 5 or so weeks that .1 is off by but otherwise it’s pretty standard

.2 is usually around a year after expac launch

Or a month or so before

[royal garden]

legion days

[mossy meteor]

Yeah

8.2 was in June or July (i forgot)

And bfa launched in August

[dense plover]

9.1 is a sizable content patch with a new area. .1 patches never have new areas

[mossy meteor]

About 12 months, give or take

[dense plover]

Yep

We should expect 9.2 around November or early December due to the delay of this patch

[mossy meteor]

8.1 had a raid and new allied races and that's about it

[ancient jasper]

Mists was 7 months between release and .2, WoD was 9 months, Legion was 7 months

[dense plover]

That’s when they were trying to do an expac every 2 years

[mossy meteor]

Wod was a special scenario

[dense plover]

They gave up on that with BfA

And yeah warlords has a shit ton of cut content

.2 was pretty much the only major non raid patch

[royal garden]

except legion had super frequent small patches

[mossy meteor]

Legion was ahead of the schedule

[dense plover]

Legion was being worked on during the entirety of warlords

[mossy meteor]

Because they had to abandon wod

[dense plover]

It had more work hours than any other expac and killed warlords

Legion was a good expac but it wasn’t good for development

[mossy meteor]

It was probably the biggest expansion ever

[dense plover]

It’s dev process is bad for the game

[hazy kettle]

@royal garden Super random... but I love that pepe.

[mossy meteor]

All classes getting a huge rework

[royal garden]

[mossy meteor]

And every spec getting a special weapon

[dense plover]

Yeah - they killed off class reworks in warlords BECAUSE of legion

[mossy meteor]

As well as a campaign

[ancient jasper]

So yeah about the whole .2 being 6 months after the second raid "usually"..

[dense plover]

Shadowlands dev cycle was fucked by COVID. But the actual content is good and a major improvement in patch content is clear

[hazy kettle]

TBH, I really loved the late WoD Shadow Priest.

[mossy meteor]

But even at launch it wasn't considered a great expansion

[hazy kettle]

You basically had 3 different playstyles.

[dense plover]

^ legion became really good in .1

.2 was where it took off

And .3 was an awesome capstone

[mossy meteor]

Only towards the end did people start saying that it's the best xpac

[dense plover]

BfA never recovered from its launch failures

Meanwhile shadowlands has a solid foundation and is suffering from content burnout

As long as the release of .2 is timely, shadowlands can definitely recover

[mossy meteor]

And 8.3 was a clear abandonment

To work on sl

[dense plover]

And I clearly expect shadowlands to release .2 in November. It’s my opinion that d2r is being released in September to act as a content holdover during the patch slump

Ya know, the standard slump that happens

We will probably see 9.2 ptr the week after the last lfr wing

9.1.5 ptr will probably hit sometime in the next 5-6 weeks

My guess is heritage armor, and maybe some side storyline content thing, and probably the return of the brawlers guild

Probably troll and Draenei heritage - something with voljin and maybe something with the light in revendrerh?

Or maybe night elf with tyrande and a bit more elune lore?

[mystic heart]

Can someone tell me when servers up
Pls :D

[dusty trellis]

My guess is two hours after their original planned time

[dark cradle]

the jailer would kill all of azeroth on 9.3 and on 9.3.5 we will see alot of trailers about warcraft 2

[unborn glacier]

Ew

WoW2

[sharp torrent]

Was the Sylvanas fight already datamined/spoiled?

Like I mean the way it goes down and what happens after

[uncut vault]

No

[unborn glacier]

Nope

We know the fight, but not the outcome

[dense plover]

Cutscene is encrypted

We won’t have it until someone beats it

Unless they make a mistake

[terse patrol]

The longest .0 patch continues?

[dense plover]

And since it probably changes the oribos skybox my guess is the change will go live for everyone who hasn’t beaten the raid the week after the last lfr wing, like with the argus skybox stuff

[dense plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmR6zlRwGQQ

i guess the key got sent out

im not gonna watch it outside until ive seen it ingame

uh

servers are up?

@mystic heart

[pulsar minnow]

Sick

[mystic heart]

yea

[dense plover]

dont forget to pick up all your covenant quests before starting campaign

[mystic heart]

why?

btw 2 cinematics already encrypted

[dense plover]

because they might be stuff to do in the maw or ardenweald

save you some time

also youll get anima

so thats a renown

[mystic heart]

oh thanks
but i'm on EU 😄

[pulsar minnow]

Holy crap the cinematic is badass

That cinematic alone made me like Tyrande

[dense plover]

im gonna leave until ive seen it

[pulsar minnow]

Understandable

[dense plover]

they actually updated the archons model

anyone notice during the cutscene atop oribos, there ARE 7 sigils

one empty, and one - the jailer's - shattered

implying that those texts from korthia talking about 7 may be talking about the forces of the shadowlands maybe?

[slender quest]

what is the second one? I guess the first one is the Tyr vs Sylvy fight ?

[dense plover]

nvm im wrong

cutscene just made it look like it

ardenweald quest stuff has unique music - as i suspected

[mossy meteor]

god i cant wait to play tomorrow

i should've bought SL on my NA account the last time there was a sale xd

maybe for 9.2

[mystic heart]

one for raid
other idk
maybe for primus and anduin jailer

[dense plover]

MY REALM CRASHED

it kicked everyone out of the battle

i hope i dont have to do the entire thing again

[pulsar minnow]

you probably do

its happened to me twice now

[dense plover]

you do

fuck me

shouldve had checkpoints

[mossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zb1gvzL3g4&t=1s

[upper edge]

The fucking realms are not stable still I got logged off again for like the third time

I’m just gonna wait

[dense plover]

omg what a cutscene the tyrande one was

[pulsar minnow]

Right?

"My life for hers"

that was amazing

[dense plover]

it was

i wonder why elune did what she did

[pulsar minnow]

I think it might be because Elune didn't want Tyrande to sacrifice herself to kill Sylvanas

[slender quest]

Elune has made some bargain