beta-ptr-spoilers

[pulsar minnow]

Stewards are not just cute

they are the peak of humanoid existence

all lessers strive to one day be like stewards. All others are a mockery in the presence of a Steward. Orcs think they're strong? Stewards are stronger. Gnomes think they are smart? Stewards are smarter.

[young latch]

"You may not like it, but this is what peak male performance looks like."

[pulsar minnow]

This is true

[strange falcon]

tiridan with steward profile pic is peak tiridan

[dull flame]

why do i have a feeling that this new gear upgrade and weapon from intro is same recycled content from when nazjatar update came

[strange falcon]

Pvp gear and valor gear are also recycled content

By this logic

[dull flame]

but it took a few expansions for it to return

dont get me wrong i dont mind it.. it just feels like bfa

[strange falcon]

People had no complaints about pvp gear being upgradable

The difference between "copypaste" and "reusing game mechanic" is big

Reusing assets IF DONE CORRECTLY is greatly helpful in saving time while not forsaking qualities

If any game system could only be used once,games would have stopped in the 90s

[dull flame]

manapearl gear wasnt that good outside of nazjatar

dosnt look like alt friendly catchup mechanic at all

considering all the shit you gotta farm

[lunar grotto]

Good Day everyone

How's ptr?

[mossy meteor]

that's a broad question

try again later

[tropic trail]

hi guys are they gonna do anything to enhancement shamans and are any specs getting buffed?

[tropic trail]

Bolvar dies

[sacred oriole]

snape kills gandalf

[austere gazelle]

Yeah He missed a step in the Sanctum and fell to his death

[vocal flint]

thats what he gets for walking around without a helmet

[unborn glacier]

Sylvanas lives and is redeemed because she did nothing wrong

[tropic trail]

Gallywix climbs out of the Jailer's chest hole to reveal that the Jailer was just a magic meat mech and he's been pulling the strings the entire time

Also azerite wasn't even real--he just dumped too much radioactive glitter into regional water tables

But everyone took him too seriously and so he had to keep the lie going

[pulsar minnow]

Azerite is Shungite

[lofty coral]

Was there something on the ptr to skip the maw intro yet?

[unborn glacier]

@tropic trail XDDDDDDD

[unborn glacier]

No

[lofty coral]

did i just get a straight answer without wasting anyones time? hell yeah.

[grim canyon]

Another orb in oribos xD

[strange falcon]

get the impressive-size one,and move only by being pulled arround by a priest's leap of faith

ez

[grim canyon]

Ah, I took the random portal, took me to a legion zone

[strange falcon]

why are you getting anima orbs in oribos tho

[pulsar minnow]

Its a toy that can be found in Torghast

need that impressive size one on a tauren to block all mailboxes

[grim canyon]

This has been the 2nd one ive found in oribos

[pulsar minnow]

Here's what the growth ray thing does

Oh there's also a part in Korthia where you can fly

[dense plover]

thats a bug

report that

[pulsar minnow]

yeah of course i did

[strange falcon]

smh,peach assuming we're bad testers that dont report things

i am disappointed by peach's lack of faith in us 😔

[dense plover]

nah

just making sure it happens

[strange falcon]

[pulsar minnow]

random cube

I'm still surprised they haven't added an invisible wall on the chains yet

[strange falcon]

cube!

[tropic trail]

You're supposed to not fall off, doi

[pulsar minnow]

I'm going to try and see if I can goblin glide to oribos

Oh- they also added back the mail icon

on the character screen

[ancient jasper]

Sweet. Wonder how long it will last this time? I think I saw it for 1 day before it was nuked last time. xD

[pulsar minnow]

The journey to the bottom of the Shadowlands - I went too close to Oribos and got the "In-Between claws at your soul" message and died. Resurrected in Oribos. Success?

[strange falcon]

i think someone successfully reached revendreth from the maw,but still died,because revendreth has very high mountain walls

[pulsar minnow]

I want to try to get to the Arbiter's sanctum. Also - how come nobody has tried looking at the Arbiter's Sanctum in SoD? You can actually see it from Ner'zhul's room

[strange falcon]

maybe invisible wall?

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe. I dont have a max level Shaman, if I did I'd definitely try and see if I could see our good ol' emo-blue man group-reject attacking the Arbiter

[dense plover]

im currently checking for something else

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1392499420344856583

im checking ungoro

could also be zandalar

but it seems like its tied to pet battles

so im gambling on ungoro as a sort of ungoro crater HS reference thingy

[strange falcon]

What if its not implemented yet tho

[unborn glacier]

@dense ploverFungarians are from KT and Zandalar

[dense plover]

technically

but that means theyre native to azeroth

it could be anywhere in a jungle on azeroth

[unborn glacier]

Not really

[dense plover]

im checking zandalar first tho

since its easier to get to

[unborn glacier]

They've only been seen in KT and Zandalar during BfA

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fungarian

[dense plover]

only problem is that zandalar is HUGE

[dense plover]

they were ADDED in bfa

ofc they havent been seen elsewhere

[unborn glacier]

To KT and Zandalar. Common sense would dictate Nazmir or the jungles of Zuldazar

And there are Fungarians in Nazmir. Check there

[dense plover]

im checking zandalar b/c the quest mentions jungle

nazmir is a swamp

[unborn glacier]

Nazmir is a rotten Jungle swamp biome

[silent urchin]

Is there any reason to assume they're actually active? Seems like it might be a vague book/merch tie in like that one murloc pet in legion that was in files for over a year before it became active

[dense plover]

well

no

but idk

i wanna check

[uncut vault]

BfA did a good job at creating races the could easily fit in places other than the assigned xpac zones

[pulsar minnow]

I think I know what it is

[uncut vault]

Vulpera, for example, fit into the universe as an “always been there, just not on screen for gameplay reasons” kind of race

[pulsar minnow]

Might want to check the Barrens around Kalimdor. Remember those plant guys that escaped from Draenor? Forgot their names

It might be something to do with them. I wouldn't be surprised if they allied themselves together and want to make a sporemound

[unborn glacier]

Nah. The explorers mention Fungarians by name.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I know. But those guys might have something to do with it

[unborn glacier]

Definitely not. They would say those creatres by name.

[dense plover]

i mean, south barrens actually is on my list tbf

[unborn glacier]

Lets not go Pryomancer levels of "theory"

[dense plover]

but i cant find anything in zandalar

im gonna check on ungoro

the quests are apparently tagged draenor

but i really doubt that

ill check that after ungoro

especially since the npcs are nelf, kul tiran, and mechagnome

[unborn glacier]

Where'd you see that?

[dense plover]

wowhead

it might be autocategorizing them by ID

ungoro also empty

gonna check southern barrens

then gorgrond i guess

[pulsar minnow]

didnt find anything in Feralas

[dense plover]

feralas is a forest not a jungle

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but it was worth a shot

[dense plover]

not really

it might not be implemented

checking every zone would take forever

theres only a few jungles

oh

make sure to turn on trivial quests

its marked as level 10

southern barrens is empty

[silent urchin]

have you checked stranglethorn at all?

[dense plover]

good point

no

i havent

ill do that after gorgrond

could be sholazar too

after that i think im out of jungles

tanaan MAYBE?

that one seems the least likely

that zone doesnt have any space for new quests

[pulsar minnow]

Karasang?

[dense plover]

i dont think it could fit in there

but also is a jungle if you want to check

[pulsar minnow]

Ill look

[dense plover]

apparently content tuning matches gorgrond

so its probably there

[silent urchin]

content tuning?

Oh, you mean the fact it's level 10?

[dense plover]

no

stuff to do with the mobs and their stats

but i cant find anything

its probably not in yet

[young latch]

@uncut vault does the venthyr or necrolord quests give you special kael dialogue if you're a belf or a velf? (trying to figure out if I want to do venthyr on my belf ranger... 🤔 )

[uncut vault]

like in 9.1?

From what I've seen, no

but in 9.0, yes, he does for both

[strange falcon]

if your choice of going to a covenant is purely dependent on if a character has extra dialogue,thats a bit weirdchamp to me

[uncut vault]

however, they only trigger in idle conversation if you havent killed him in Tempest Keep

[young latch]

oh, so he won't say anything if your character has killed him in tempest keep?

[uncut vault]

He says the "you killed him" lines instead, they override it sadly

but when you go to talk to him his popup box still acknowledges you as a belf/velf, luckily, as does his various things about the sunwell

much more in venthyr

[young latch]

i might have to go venthyr then, lol. All three of my other alts are on ardenweald and I don't think I can do it again. xD

that kyrian mog is looking exciting though... too bad everybody tells me the kyrian storyline is painful

[mossy meteor]

In 9.1 no

My venthyr dk is a blood elf

And kael has no extra dialogue

[austere gazelle]

Yeah blizz suck on this. My DH is almost not recognized by Kael of Vasjh when we hunt the dreadlords

I never checked if they changed Vasjh text when she said that she was trained by a demon hunter to see Dreadlords in front of a demon hunter who couldn't see the dreadlord she just killed

[terse patrol]

Demon hunter demon sight only applies when the plot demands it, apparently.

[austere gazelle]

Actually, they changed it in 9.1. you can see dreadlord in sinfall before the quest, but not kill them though

[terse patrol]

Part of the strength of a demon hunter is being able to detect dreadlords.

[austere gazelle]

But yeah, that sucks. At the very least Vasjh could've ranted something like " Aren't you a demon hunter ? I thought Illidan trained you better than this, this one was a dreadlord ! " Would not have been silly at all, and would have reminded the player that yeah, dreadlord are on his hunt list

[dense plover]

so they fixed it?

does it work in torghast yet?

[austere gazelle]

Spectral sight works yes ^^

In sinfall , could not check elsewhere yet

Ended up bugged in the sky of revendreth that locked me out for days

[strange falcon]

😂

[dense plover]

huh

so - necrolords are assaulting the maw currently

the portal that takes you to the necropolis takes you to the maw during this assault

idk if i should report this or if its intentional

i think its intentional

100% intentional

i wonder if the other covenants have a maw teleport during their assault

but you cant get back to the second level as a necrolord

so thats probably a bug

[mossy meteor]

yes

kyrians have forsworn that offer a teleport

[dense plover]

neat

[mossy meteor]

venthyr have maw mirrors

don't know about night fae

[unborn glacier]

o-O

[steel bluff]

😆

[dense plover]

@steel bluff what does this have to do with ptr?

[tropic trail]

Yeah idgi

[steel bluff]

Idk, just saw “spoilers” and found myself a bit interested.

[dense plover]

yeah no

this is for ptr discussion

[steel bluff]

Whatever the hell that is.

[dense plover]

and that cutscene is ancient af

public test realm

its literally in latest news constantly

its a preview of the next update

this is for discussion of stuff related to that

[steel bluff]

Aaaahhh…

I see

[dense plover]

ok.....

<@&299347348847329281> can someone clean up the nonsense this guy posted in the channel? they posted this stuff and then left....

[tropic trail]

Lmao wait he actually left the entire server

[dense plover]

yes

[wanton palm]

So is there any idea of when 9.1 is going live?

[dense plover]

no

but current estimates are late june/early july

most things seem to be like 80% implemented

we will see the state of things in a few weeks

[tropic trail]

Better to wait for an official release date, really

[wanton palm]

Ok

I will have biomutant to try out

[dense plover]

yep

[bronze nest]

How is Spriest looking on the PTR?

[mossy meteor]

Very shadowy

[solar temple]

Lol

[sullen dawn]

a lil spooky too

[brave aspen]

any news when chains of domination will be released?

[mossy meteor]

soon

™️

[full willow]

Do we have a build tonight ?

[tropic trail]

whats chains of domination

[mossy meteor]

probably no build this week

since they announced raid testing

usually they release a build and then announce testing

but it's also TBC prepatch week

[thick saddle]

The formal name for Patch 9.1

[grim canyon]

Most likely no build this week since priority is on monitoring the prepatch

[unborn glacier]

Two different teams, entirely

[thick saddle]

Blizzard devs can't breathe and chew gum at the same time? The longer they delay testing of 9.1 content, the greater the delay for it's release to Live, the greater the likelyhood of players leaving the ship...

[vernal magnet]

hello

any builders in chat?

[unborn glacier]

They can, CDA fails to realize the Retail team has nothing to do with Classic. Classic has its own team entirely.

[thick saddle]

Figured as much 😛

[grim canyon]

Funny how you aimed at me and not Gamer for the same comment. I never mentioned delaying testing, I only mentioned the likelyhood of there not being a build this week, though given testing, I am equally likely to be wrong.

[grim canyon]

One noticeable factor on this is that they have been cramming more bosses into testing recently to catch-up from the delays that one build caused, so they are still on a decent-enough pace.

[thick saddle]

Meanwhile, more and more players are going on hiatus from the game due to lack of content. More than 6 months since the expansion released, and not a single content update in that time. With no release date on the horizon for 9.1, it could well be another 1-2 months before it goes live.

[mossy meteor]

they never announce a release date

this early

[brave aspen]

I know I been away because the lack of content

[mossy meteor]

it's always 2 weeks before

so when tbc is out

we can riot about no release date for 9.1

i haven't been playing 9.0.5 either for a few days, only logging in to compare small things from the PTR

and when i actually play, i just do a few big anima WQs and callings

[thick saddle]

Stop talking to me like I'm a novice. I am well aware of when and how Blizzard announces release dates. When they give the 2 week notice for PVP Season, then we'll know...

Point here being, they aren't even close to being done with testing on the PTR, and we still don't know the full extent of what content is coming for Korthia. It will be at least a month before Live (PTR went up about a month ago, PTR tend to last about 2 months)

[grim canyon]

I can agree 6+ months without 9.1 even being near done is indeed concerning. I also haven't been playing Retail as much since I feel there isn't much left to do that I haven't already done.

[mossy meteor]

there isn't much left to add in korthia

at best, probably a couple more treasures and rares

[brave aspen]

9.1 isn't even near? Wow that is concerning

[mossy meteor]

the actual systems seem done?

maybe just tweaking the archivist droprate

[thick saddle]

You mean systems like Torghast 2.0 ? Or should I say, 1.0 since the Live Torghast is mostly a Beta version which shipped with Shadowlands back in October...

[mossy meteor]

well i was more talking about the 'systems' in korthia like the archivist rep

which was added last build

[thick saddle]

Korthia isn't the only part of 9.1... Systems for the new raid, the new megadungeon, as well as Torghast are still very much in need of tweaking/fixing, unless they intend to push another "beta" to live for Torghast in 9.1.

[mossy meteor]

the raid is fine

sylvanas not being tested is normal, last boss is always tested closer to the release

painsmith was buggy, nothing too big

[thick saddle]

And that's why there's raid testing on the 20th, amirite!?? Raid isn't fine, if it still needs testing.

[mossy meteor]

..

raid testing happening is good

[thick saddle]

Not saying it isn't. Just disputing your "fine" comment, since fine implies it's done, no more testing needed etc.

[mossy meteor]

my point was that, at least on heroic, 8 of the tested bosses were fine, no major bugs encountered

painsmith is the only exception

i haven't tested the dungeon, the stormheim boss needed to be fixed (could've been already fixed in a hotfix)

according to the people i'm close with

[thick saddle]

Facts are facts though...

In aprox 7 months, there's been no new content updates to the game (not even the first major update of this expansion), and a release to live is at least a month away. Maybe more. This is NOT fine.

Several prominent YouTubers are saying largely the same things, that Blizzard have pretty much "dropped the ball" with Shadowlands, and the player activity largely supports this. More players are leaving every day, more guilds on break. The sort-of break usually seen at the end of an expansion, not during.

[mossy meteor]

well

that's a concern

my guess is that covid really fucked up things

as well as the expansion itself barely being ready even for the delayed launch and it being overly ambitious

[thick saddle]

I've played this game off-and-on since it began, so I am keenly aware at what is usually considered "normal", in terms of player activity vs content updates. Things are currently... not normal.

[mossy meteor]

most of the 9.1 art and probably even systems was done during the expansion development

[grim canyon]

Covid if anything, offset the release schedule by one month at most.

[mossy meteor]

(as seen by wowhead datamining the 9.1 raid sets in fuckin alpha)

[thick saddle]

Expansion was delayed a month, and still launched with... issues. COVID may have effected things, but a month delay due to COVID only goes so far. 7 months in, we've exceeded previous expansions .1 updates, by more than a month already.

[mossy meteor]

SL is fairly ambitious tbh

if it weren't for legal stuff + pressure from the corporate pigs, it probably could have used a 2021 release

[grim canyon]

Indeed, at some point, COVID stops being a viable reason and becomes an excuse.

[thick saddle]

Famously, "Beta" for Azeroth... 4 months from release to 8.1.

BFA released in August 2018, 8.1 in December 2018.

[mossy meteor]

if blizzard was a different company

i would've said they finally learned the lesson that making a shitload of gameplay systems and still pushing "xpac every 2 years" without dropping in quality = player unhappiness

[thick saddle]

Legion released in July 2016... 7.1 in October 2016.

So, just 3 months here... 7 months is too long. COVID or not.

[mossy meteor]

well

legion was also mostly done during wod

and wod had to be murdered

[thick saddle]

And that's 7 months if it were released now. As stated, we're likely still at least a month away.

[thick saddle]

Thing is, they really aren't making a shitload of systems... Most of their "new" systems, are pretty much the same as the old ones, just repackaged under a new name. Which makes it even more infuriating why things become the way they are.

[grim canyon]

Inb4 Blizzard moves to a "one year per update" schedule to "prevent strain on our working environment and provide a healthier atmosphere"

[grim canyon]

Exactly this, the stuff in 9.1 does not at all quantify the amount of time they've spent

[thick saddle]

If they did that, then 9.1 in 2021, 9.2 in 2022, 9.3 in 2023 and the next expansion in 2024... maybe! Sooo... probably won't happen 😛

[vernal magnet]

I wonder how much staff leaving screwed them

[mossy meteor]

at least they would be polished

[thick saddle]

At some point, I think even Blizzard should realize "enough is enough" and call it quits when it comes to WoW. Eventually some other game could and should take it's place.

[vernal magnet]

???

but its still profitable

[grim canyon]

Oh it's inevitable another game will overshadow wow at some point in the future

[vernal magnet]

which is all they care about

[grim canyon]

Not a case of IF at all

[mossy meteor]

they won't just outright kill wow

[thick saddle]

Torghast 2.0 is pretty much "Horrific Visions repackaged", so there's one system that should be polished easily... though, many didn't care for Horrific Visions, so dunno if Torghast 2.0 will be that popular 😛

[mossy meteor]

not when it still brings increased revenue y/y

[vernal magnet]

I mean ff14 only seems to gain subs while wow loses subs

[grim canyon]

They don't need to. If the situation continues to get worse, either Blizz or the players will give up on them

[mossy meteor]

there will still be players, just not a lot of them

[grim canyon]

The window just needs to be open long enough for another game to slip through the cracks and take over

[mossy meteor]

amazon's new world was promising

[thick saddle]

It's not about killing the game. It's about ending it. At some point, there would be a "natural conclusion" to whatever story being told, and should end...

Unless they go the television route, and end it with a cliffhanger, which everybody loves so sooo much /sarcasm

[mossy meteor]

but they seem to have killed it with a literal pay to win shop

[pulsar minnow]

But you’re forgetting something…. The reboot.

[thick saddle]

Tbh, I'd be surprised if Blizzard themselves aren't working on a potential WoW replacement themselves, quietly without much notification. Until they are ready to announce that is.

[mossy meteor]

hm

that'd be kind of

too ambitious lol

[thick saddle]

Like all companies, they're in it for the money. If it's more profitable to end WoW and succeed it with something else, of course it would happen. When WoW isn't profitable enough , it will happen.

[grim canyon]

The issue with wow is that there's now a mentality that each expansion needs to raise the stakes, but there's only so far you can raise those stakes with it before it becomes stale. Wow's admittedly lasted longer then most would, but soon it too will become stale as heck, and that time is when another game will step into place

[mossy meteor]

but it would certainly help with the 20 years of awful code in present day wow

most of which is undocumented

[vernal magnet]

they also ran out of og story

[pulsar minnow]

WoW definitely needs a lorewise/systemic restart.

[grim canyon]

Just a matter of waiting for just the right opportunity for Blizzard to really slip up

[vernal magnet]

shadowlands is the first original story wow has had as a expansion focus

[mossy meteor]

eh

not really

cata was the soft reboot of the story

[vernal magnet]

deathwing was established lore

[mossy meteor]

of course

but wrath was the culmination of their most popular story

[pulsar minnow]

I just feel like WoW is getting too grand in scale. I was kinda happy just finding a new island every expansion

[thick saddle]

The "Warcraft story" technically ended with the death of the Lich King. That's the character that was the major focus of the last strategy game pre-WoW.

Since then, Blizzard are inventing new lore reasons for why we end up doing what we do. Though... When we kill off Old Gods in every other expansion pack, what bigger threats are there for us to kill? We should be Gods ourselves at this point, not puny Generals of a garrison, or a Commander for the War Effort in Kul Tiras/Zandalar.

[uncut vault]

blizzard is definitely not working on a WoW replacement

because they already tried that and it miserably failed to the point where they had to completely change the game type to make OW

[thick saddle]

"Things change", i'm sure you've heard of that?

[mossy meteor]

they're not working on wow 2

not while bobby eats all the money

they don't have the development resources for a wow 2

[thick saddle]

Who said anything about WoW 2? I mentioned a potential replacement for the game. Not a sequel.

[mossy meteor]

without abandoning current wow

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t think they’d be making a WoW 2. But definitely new stuff with the IP

[mossy meteor]

wow 2 doesn't have to literally mean wow 2, a sequel

[pulsar minnow]

Heck I wouldn’t be surprised if they made a shooter with WoW characters and shoved in loot boxes, battlepasses, and robux

[mossy meteor]

but rather a refresh of the product

built from the ground up, new engine and all that

[grim canyon]

I honestly am not even sure where Blizz could take the game after this

Taking the fight to the literal afterlife was a pretty significant upscale

[thick saddle]

Again, I'm not talking about WoW 2. It can be INSERT NEW IP MMO HERE. Done!

Honestly, I think people are naive to think Blizzard aren't working on something new and unannounced with a small team of developers, and when the time is right to announce, they will. They might not outright end WoW at the same time as the launch of something new, but they would slowly shutter WoW, like so many other MMOs before them.

Not if. WHEN.

[pulsar minnow]

This is my big issue with the game in general. I don’t know how they’ll handle the Jailer boss fight, but if this dude is really “Titan++” then what the heck does that mean about the player characters. We’d be stronger than literal pantheons of the cosmology

If we beat the Jailer, it better be the combined forces of every ally we’ve built up

[mossy meteor]

hey maybe we'll finally lose a raid fight

[thick saddle]

Like I said... We'd be Gods!

[mossy meteor]

that's a reboot potential

we wake up in respective racial starting zones, revamped for 10.0

the story? there's no story

just small conflicts here and there

[pulsar minnow]

I kind of wonder if the First Ones will appear at the end of the fight, realize we mortals have managed to overthrow an entire cosmological force, and then like thanos snap and we go back to our Cataclysm power level

[thick saddle]

Oh how I would love if we actually lose the fight... "bigly"

But does Blizzard have the balls to do something so major as a "Cataclysm 2.0" world revamp after Shadowlands? Doubt it tbh.

[grim canyon]

The only way to descale things back down to just Azeroth would be to wipe out literally every piece of the world and start-over, that or a galactic-level event. As from my view, us simply going back to Azeroth after fighting Zorvall is gonna be the most underwhelming thing in the world.

I also don't want them to pull a time-skip that people have been talking about, as that'll feel like a major cop-out

[thick saddle]

Currently, we are special beings able to cross from the land of the living, to the land of the dead and back again (Maw Walkers). At some point, you gotta imagine that we simply DIE, and can't return to the land of the living... not without something major to accomplish.

[brave aspen]

Spoiler alerts, the jailer wins and flee the maws

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah we know

[grim canyon]

I'd honestly love it if we had the actual feeling that we were trapped away from Azeroth. Hell that should have been what Shadowlands was about.

[thick saddle]

A scenario I would actually enjoy. He flees, ends up on a conquered Azeroth, and creates his own "hellscape" for us to return to. Basically The Maw, but across all of Azeroth... or worse 😛

[pulsar minnow]

What really bothers me is that rather than going back on the complaints regarding feeling like a chosen one, they instead doubled down on it in 9.1 and literally just say there’s now a prophecy about your specific player character.

[grim canyon]

In any case, it can be agreed that a second "reset" style event is needed here, otherwise it's just gonna feel underwhelming once we get to 10.0

[thick saddle]

Yes. Us going to the Shadowlands, should've forced us to remain there until the Jailer is defeated. Being able to portal back to Stormwind/Orgrimmar to check out the Auction House, kinda defeats the "lore" behind it. Obviously Blizzard wants people to revisit the old world in every expansion, which is why expansions don't have Auction Houses (unless you're an Engineer)

[vernal magnet]

oh ptr went down

so there is a build

[pulsar minnow]

What would’ve been better is if they said because we have the Heart of Azeroth, we can return at any time. It would’ve raised the stakes and made sense gameplay wise

[thick saddle]

Being the Maw Walker, is what allows us to leave The Maw. Not sure if that corresponds with being able to leave the Shadowlands entirely.

[pulsar minnow]

Oh I know. I’m just saying rewriting it and also adding that restriction would’ve been better. Granted, Azeroth is what allows us to be Maw Walkers

[grim canyon]

But the Heart was already severed from Azeroth when we went in, we should have remained trapped there at minimum until at least Sire/Zoorval was downed

[ionic terrace]

build just went out

[grim canyon]

Hell, even the initial dialog made reference to we may not be able to return for sometime, they should have stuck with that

[thick saddle]

Heart of Azeroth should've been re-designed at the start of Shadowlands, to act as a Hearthstone to the Chamber of Heart (and would make sense, lorewise). Instead of quaint portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar from Oribos.

[pulsar minnow]

THIS^^^

[thick saddle]

"may not be able to return for sometime"

sooo... here's a Mage Portal back to Stormwind. Congrats! Literally immediately after reaching Oribos.

[ionic terrace]

659MB

[grim canyon]

Exactly, like almost immediatly after escaping the inescapable maw, we're able to just go back to Azeroth with no consequences

[thick saddle]

At the very least, we should have to progress through the story of the 4 zones to "unlock" the ability to return to Azeroth

[mossy meteor]

that's a big update

[thick saddle]

Threads of Fate on alts, should allow the same mechanic we have currently by allowing alts to return immediately through portals.

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe they’re actually adding the City of Secrets!

[vernal magnet]

enhancement buffs today?

pls

[grim canyon]

Better yet, it should have been once we defeated Sire (any difficulty), we could use some of that stored anima to create portals back to Azeroth

[thick saddle]

See, now there's even a lore reason to be able to return. And would be enough killing Sire on any difficulty including LFR.

And it's not like Oribos doesn't have the space for say... an Auction House! The justification for excluding this in every expansion, forcing players to return to Stormwind/Orgrimmar each time... breaks both lore and immersion tbh.

If we're on Azeroth like Mists, or Legion or BFA... that makes sense. But if we're on a different planet (Outland), or a planet in a different time (Draenor), or in an entirely different plane of existence (Shadowlands)... a quaint mage portal home, makes very little sense 😛

[mossy meteor]

Installing a Conduit costs one Energy. Increasing your Renown recharges one Energy. An Energy is also recharged every 24 hours.

[vernal magnet]

is class stuff ever included in global strings?

[mossy meteor]

no

[vernal magnet]

ok good

[silent urchin]

I've never actually run into issues with conduit energy and I still feel like that's a shit workaround and the whole thing should be scrapped

[vernal magnet]

the 1 enhancement change

is a 1 sec nerf to a pvp talent...

[thick saddle]

ROFL, really?!?

Wow... From 15 sec to 14 sec. I'm sure that second was entirely game-breaking.

[grim canyon]

I wish they had dev notes for that one, would love to hear their reasoning xD

[vernal magnet]

at least mistweaver dmg got buffed

although the monk necro power is the most boring I've seen

"NEW Bountiful Brew Your abilities have a low chance to cast Bonedust Brew at your targets location."

[pulsar minnow]

Is that a Legendary power

@vernal magnet

[vernal magnet]

yes

they added monk covenant legendaries

[pulsar minnow]

Holy crap that’s like they didn’t even try

That’s like a conduit more than anything

[vernal magnet]

kyrian one is alright

you summon your celestial for 12 seconds when you use weapons of order

not sure how strong it will be tho

[silent urchin]

servers are up, btw

[ionic terrace]

thinking

[mossy meteor]

changed to 50

new quest

[silent urchin]

Finding One's true purpose works now

[mossy meteor]

big rares drop this

i think it's big rares anyway

i got it from 1 gigantic devourer that had raid boss hp levels

[silent urchin]

I got 40x green from him

which is 1 per

[unborn glacier]

Poor Mistwever players: "Blizz, Mistweaver has been dead all patch, can we receive get some help?"

Blizzard "Sure!"

Blizzard: Nerfs MW Monk

[silent urchin]

Also, 14 x 35 anima items

which considering how that would have taken you all fucking day a few months ago seems not bad

where do you actually do archivist research

[mossy meteor]

'

this is what i got from the devourer

[mossy meteor]

hi pad

[mossy meteor]

oh

[ionic terrace]

it's just the rep

[silent urchin]

ohhh

[mossy meteor]

i see plenty of quests below ground

not sure how to access

dude i had a lot of research

[ionic terrace]

yeah idk

[silent urchin]

one of the items you can buy is a teleporter thing

[ionic terrace]

i turned in 174 and got 22 rep

[mossy meteor]

the rep is weird

[silent urchin]

mentions taking you to hidden places

I imagine that goes to the "underground" places

[mossy meteor]

wonder if renown is active

maybe not

[silent urchin]

It no longer says "At maximum"

but I still have all the soulbinds etc

and the weeklies weren't offering it

[ancient jasper]

Ouch.. That AMZ nerf is brutal

[mossy meteor]

renown is active

at least from callings

[uncut vault]

so far, this is the first boss since Escape from Arthas to not say "defeat" in the main achievement

[mossy meteor]

bleh

no final campaign chapter

finally!

pelagos had no voice lines

scenario still bugged

[unborn glacier]

Blizz adding another place to get packaged soul ash?

poggers

[uncut vault]

top 10 saddest choices of WoW

[mossy meteor]

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/RoDdpo1.png it's now 250 for 300, and the dude is right by the primus

[pulsar minnow]

I would never betray Ve’nari. She’s done more for us than Bolvar has this expansion. She’s also Ana from Overwatch and I need my nanoboosts.

[mossy meteor]

interesting

nice

[thick saddle]

Ta’hsup now spawns at the end of Mythic+ dungeons that are completed before the time limit is reached. He will offer a one-time Keystone exchange to any player whose current Keystone is at or below the level of the dungeon that was recently completed on time. Keystones that are a higher level than the dungeon that was recently completed on time cannot be traded, including the Keystone that was used to start the run.

A keystone exchange at the end of a dungeon? F--k yeah! While it's still random which key you get, at least now you'll have the option to change keystone if you're saddled with a bad one.

[uncut vault]

oh thank god

[pulsar minnow]

Last minute change: The Jailer was actually just a puppet the whole time. Ve’nari was pulling the strings all along! She’s also Elune!

[thick saddle]

And the second coming of Sargeras... or something

[grim canyon]

The fact that it's still present in the skybox pretty much tells that Sargeras won't remain there forever (Neither will Illidan most likely)
There's also the sword still plunged into Azeroth to take care of as well, since tbf we never really 'saved' azeroth as long as that sword is still there

[dense plover]

Removing the sword was never the plan

We drained it’s corruption, and we healed the wound around the sword

Sargeras and Illidan are not gonna be revisited anytime soon

[dense plover]

maw map is updated to tell you where to click for korthia

and right clicking from the korthia map correctly returns you to the maw map

they fixed the order of the campaign chapters

more tweaks to the oribos skybox

[unborn glacier]

@uncut vaultDiggin the Dark Lady pfp

[dense plover]

175 anima seems bad

killed a rare - got this quest

theres now a breadcrumb for the relic stuff

still no music 😭

looks like there are teleports within korthia - wonder if they added any to the maw or not

a puzzle!

or not 😭

dont know what an assault supply carriage is

but it sounds cool

looks like some kind of escort thing maybe?

im gonna look into it and see if anything happens

nvm, they left for oribos

i have no idea

so uh - this rare just keeps getting bigger the longer it goes without being killed - i dont know what hapopens if it keeps growing

[dense plover]

found new food

rift stuff

[dense plover]

sanctum looks pretty sick imo

thralls axe has a name btw

account bound stygia consumable

fucking nikolon is back!

after gaining 1 renown above 40, the weekly quests begin to offer renown - nasty bugses

after draka is made margrave, the sanctum changes

oh, its temporary

only during that ceremony

also you get SO much more anima now

im getting like 500-900 just from korthia visitors

this doesnt include treasures and rares

it feels great

i got 250 anima from a random treasure

[uncut vault]

Not actually sylvanas in it haha, but it’s close and the full piece shows why

https://twitter.com/kottkrigart/status/1394001373205831683?s=21

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Thank you though

[strange falcon]

I think her face is weird

[torpid spear]

A DreadLord without wings

I would like it to be a playable race's

[dense plover]

They’re the villains - not gonna happen. Also doesn’t really have anything to do with ptr

[torpid spear]

sorry

[marble nova]

Just like undeads in the Horde :D

[uncut vault]

theres a big difference between a race of former slaves, and the race that's being doubled down on as the cause for all of the cosmic troubles in the warcraft universe 😛

[dense plover]

^literally the opposite of undead in the horde

[young latch]

I don’t think it’s an impossible choice.

[strange falcon]

we didnt get snakebois from bfa,we aint getting dreadlords 🤔

[young latch]

I do think it would be a boring choice. :p But that’s just me.

[strange falcon]

plus,if we had to choose a race from the nether,it would prob go to ethereals by community decision

[young latch]

Would people prefer ethereals over brokers?

I think brokers would be a cool choice.

But i still would like snakes and or naga.

[strange falcon]

naga are the eternal problem "but the tail tho" which is why sethrak were good,but they hit the "but them heads tho"

which is arguably much easier to fix

[strange falcon]

ethereals are much older so they have more community love than brokers

[young latch]

Snakes might be a thing in the future since vulpera are playable and need enemies if they do the faction conflict expansion again.

[strange falcon]

hm,idk they may just not do that again tbh

either 10.0 or 11.0 has to be a cataclysm 2.0

[young latch]

I kinda hope they don’t but i feel like they will

I’m surprised there’s no drama going on at home yet in 9.1

[strange falcon]

the current speculation is that after 9.1 raid cinematic we find ourselves back in northrend

but idk bout it

[unborn glacier]

Oh it'll definitely happen again. It's Warcraft, not Peacecraft x3 but this time it'll be the Alliance being the 'bad guys' and starting the war. Genn and Turalyon are quite radical in their hatred for the Horde. And, Turalyon is the current Regent on the Throne.

"The Golden One claims a vacant throne; the crown of light will bring only darkness,"

[strange falcon]

i swear every time these quotes are mentioned,it feels like a cult-thing where ppl are chanting

[austere gazelle]

I just imagine someone creeping behind me and whispering this in my hear

[mossy meteor]

[mossy meteor]

this guy just keeps growing

like a ||dick||

[tropic trail]

Yeah peach saw too

Prepare the raid party

[solar temple]

I mean I'm pretty sure your ||dick|| stops growing at some point

[cosmic beacon]

Yours stops growing????!!!

[solar temple]

Yikes

[mossy meteor]

i've been observing it for a few minutes

it seems to stop at 41 stacks

(the rare)

[solar temple]

Glad you clarified lol

[tropic trail]

I guess it'll have plenty of campers

[mossy meteor]

he takes little damage sadly

doesnt deal a lot of damage

[cosmic beacon]

Ooo neat

[mossy meteor]

MOUNT

there's an npc near the stable master in korthia's base

the npc gives you kah-bear, a bear that displays footprints that you have to track

leads to this area

then you click on a glowy thing near the bones and the rare spawns

[strange falcon]

Ew,Mechagnome 🤢

[mossy meteor]

shh

[cosmic beacon]

Funky mount

[pulsar minnow]

World first

[cosmic beacon]

Now that you got the mount in the ptr it’ll never drop again for you

[dense plover]

Yeah that mount isn’t guaranteed

I did that rare and didn’t get a mount

[dense plover]

I liked finding the rare though

Most of the rares don’t have abilities tho, so they’re all kinda boring

[cobalt jasper]

hi do you think is true that in 9.1 for melee, havoc is going to be fotm? Apparently now AMZ have a damage cap for DKs

[ancient jasper]

I highly doubt it

[pulsar minnow]

It’s getting buffed but we have to wait for sims and stuff to make that assessment

[cobalt jasper]

@ancient jasper they got buffed their single damage to and they bring utility, which class do you think is going to be fotm?

[ancient jasper]

We're sitting near the bottom of the pack and only getting a 4% buff from the math people did.

[solar temple]

I'd be surprised if they end up being close to the top

[strange falcon]

given even so far,havoc is low-middle of the pack in dmg

i dont think just the AMZ change can push havoc high

[cobalt jasper]

any speculation on which melee is going to be fotm, always DKs?

[strange falcon]

go to some top guild's discord for that

i personally do not endorse Fotm playstyle because it leads to quicker burnout and frustration because you dont like the gameplay of the class you're playing most of the time

and even then,blizz can come out with a nerf last minute,and bam,your investment into the fotm spec pre-release

is all out the window

[solar temple]

And the fact it changes every patch means you'll always be changing mains

[pulsar minnow]

Pick what you like. Unless it’s Survival Hunter. I heard a rumor those exist but I don’t know.

[solar temple]

Don't let people lie to you like that

[strange falcon]

also,the bosses themselves have a big impact on who's in the meta, since there is quite a few add heavy or multiboss fights in nathria, balance druids were able to boost numbers by padding with aoe

especially on council of blood

[cobalt jasper]

@strange falcon u are right but finding a mythic spot for melee is always pretty hard if you don't nail what's fotm or reroll

[tropic trail]

thats not that true xD

this tier even feral druid was viable

[tropic trail]

those dont exist

[strange falcon]

find a guild that isnt full of casual elitists

my guild's did 5/10M before we decided to take a break for 9.1,and we had a feral druid in the melee department

[solar temple]

Yea I have never had trouble getting into a mythic raid group because of class

[tropic trail]

depends how far you are willing to go

[cobalt jasper]

on my server there aren't many guilds that raid 3 or more times a week

[strange falcon]

if you really think your issue cant be solved on your server,just change server,look on the forums for recrutiing guilds idk

theres always a solution to the problem

[tropic trail]

where are you stationed? which server faction

[cobalt jasper]

it's a foreign language server, only 2 in the worlds

i don't have much of a choice, and i'm tired to play on international server, it messes up my real life schedule

[solar temple]

.

[tropic trail]

well foreign language server doesnt give me much info xD

[brave aspen]

is this patch delay until august?

[pulsar minnow]

Probably early July. We don’t know

[cobalt jasper]

@tropic trail Nemesis EU. EU is completely different to US for this kind of stuff

[tropic trail]

im EU i should know

i really should!

[solar temple]

Lmao

[brave aspen]

@pulsar minnow wow i haven't play the last two expansion, but man that a long time for a major content update

[solar temple]

Yea wow is in a content drought right now

Not much we can do abt it

[tropic trail]

@cobalt jasper well looking at it youve got a few decent guilds. go to #retail-wow to continue the talk

[strange falcon]

find a guild that matches your schedule

[strange falcon]

also italian servers are really weird in terms of guilds raiding on there,it's mostly super casual guilds in my experience

[cobalt jasper]

it dosn't matter anyway, i just really like to play fotm classes

[thick saddle]

We're about 7 months from launch of Shadowlands, and the first "real" content update is probably a month away. Maybe more, depending on testing and so on.

WoW averages around 3-4 months from .0 to .1 in expansions. Even accounting for a month long delay due to COVID, we're well past that average already.

[strange falcon]

is that what you actually think,or is that resignation and rationalization of what you're forced to do to raid mythic on nemesis server

[tropic trail]

im not sure

xD

[tropic trail]

what progress are you now?

[cobalt jasper]

10/10

[solar temple]

Lfr?

[cobalt jasper]

mythic

[strange falcon]

the delay didnt affect them just after SL launch,
but the pandemic hit while we were still in bfa,so much they had to delay the expac,
so as we know they work on their expacs while the previous one is already undergoing,
so the impact has hit them from mid-dev of .0 to the point we are now

[tropic trail]

I mean then you are somewhere top 6 in the realm

[strange falcon]

i dont think a month is fair assessment of damages,especially not considering the computers the devs might have at home,could be much less powerful than the ones they have in office,account onto that,also the slower internet speeds devs might have to upload data between each other

[cobalt jasper]

@tropic trail yeah that's why i was asking what's shaping up to be fotm in 9.1

[solar temple]

General communication is more difficult as well

[tropic trail]

Then id say you shouldnt be looking for fotm here but around class discords

best way to figure out and compare data

[cobalt jasper]

@tropic trail i mean after the datamined amz nerf, people seems to belive havoc and warrior are going to be fotm for melee, that's what i gathered

[strange falcon]

what "people believe" and what actually turns out to be fotm is usually very different

[cobalt jasper]

indeed, i had to reroll after a month

[strange falcon]

and even when it isnt,the fotm can shift really quickly because some classes scale much better with more stats

than others

[strange falcon]

sounds grueling and unfun to me tbh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar temple]

We also rarely if ever talk about fotm here because its bad so your not gonna get much info of it here

[unborn glacier]

Advice: Stop caring about FOTM, start thinking for yourself and playing the class/spec YOU enjoy, not what the tier list says to play

[tropic trail]

Havoc is pushing high dps yes

[cobalt jasper]

@unborn glacier been playing the game forever, i did that since vanilla, now i just want to fotm

[tropic trail]

close to being the highest based on the bosses

But we need to see the last bosses

to see if it is fully viable

its a different mindset

you either adapt to it or get destroyed by it

you lose a spot in the raid

at the top people are able to multispec maybe 1-2 classes but other then that people are expected to push the highest

after in split raids you can do what you want and play your alts

but when it comes to pushing for hall of fame you have to play what is strong

[unborn glacier]

That sounds miserable.

[cobalt jasper]

@unborn glacier ?

I don't like it=everyone dosn't like it. sounds more miserable

[tropic trail]

I agree with @cobalt jasper here. the mentality uptop is completely different and people enjoy it. people wouldnt play if they dont enjoy it xD

[unborn glacier]

Gonna have to agree to disagree. Resigning yourself to only playing FOTM because of toxic peer pressure is just unhealthy and leads to burn out. But you do you.

[cobalt jasper]

@unborn glacier it does lead to burnouts cause sometimes i have to reroll after some weeks after i played a class 12 hours a day, but what i like the most if to be in competitive guilds and be on top of the dps meter, it can't be helped

[unborn glacier]

[solar temple]

Yea be on top with a class you enjoy

[unborn glacier]

^

[solar temple]

If you play for fotm then your top for 2 weeks then leveling a new class and gearing for 2 weeks etc

You don't actually experience the game. You just follow the "meta"

[unreal geyser]

The initial covenant armour set we get from renown/campaign isn't upgradeable further in 9.1, is it?

[unborn glacier]

Not that I've seen

[unreal geyser]

I didn't think they would, since they added the catch up gear from Korthia, thanks, now I can sell mine

[terse patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-diablo3-malthael-angel-of-death-mist-gif-5737052

The virgin Jailer vs the chad Malthael.

@unborn glacier

[unborn glacier]

xDDDDD

[terse patrol]

fr though

Trying to figure out how Blizzard screwed up the Jailer so bad.

There’s absolutely nothing scary about him.

Meanwhile one look at Malthael and everyone was like “fuck”

@unborn glacier

[pulsar minnow]

I think they're trying to make him look less powerful and more of a shell of himself. Similar to the Primus when he's the Runecarver and missing his sigil

People love Gwyn/Ice King Jailer so much. I think they'll bring him back

[unborn glacier]

There is an encrptyed new model for him in 9.1

[terse patrol]

The Runecarver’s design is cooler than his.

I hope he gets a new look

[pulsar minnow]

Its him!

[terse patrol]

Because his current looks like handsome Squidward.

[pulsar minnow]

Well we at least KNOW that his model is somewhere in the files since we've found his back crest and shoulders

[unborn glacier]

I bet 10k gold his new model will resemble this

[pulsar minnow]

I bet 1,000,000. It's 100% going to be that look.

Though I wonder how those who never saw the leak will react when they see this model. I can already see the Ice King memes, but will people take him seriously despite that?

[dense plover]

I bet Monopoly money that the jailer stays relatively the same looking and that never ends up as a model

[storm marsh]

the hidden one is probably with arbiter's stone inside his chest

[pulsar minnow]

That’s a hot take. Are you meaning to tell me that handsome squidward won’t stay?!

I doubt Blizzard will keep Zovaal looking like handsome squidward all expansion long. Nobody takes him seriously and Blizz knows it

[terse patrol]

It really isn't a good design.

[pulsar minnow]

How so?!

[terse patrol]

The Jailer looks like a dork.

[pulsar minnow]

Like the Ice King or Blue Man Group/Skrillex Reject

Which one

[terse patrol]

"wow he's so scary, he dropped Baine off a cliff oooo"

[pulsar minnow]

The funniest thing in 9.1 is during the Runecarver bit where his ace up his sleeve is literally just Anduin who’s no bigger than his foot. It’s like if Ash from Pokémon pulled out a Pidgey and said “now you’re screwed”

[dense plover]

I could see the jailer getting some sick armor

Something reminiscent of arthas’ armor

But that’s it

Arthas isn’t exactly scary without his armor either

[pearl creek]

I just realized that Zovaal does look like handsome squidward. Im losing my mind

[cunning fossil]

I don't have an issue with that

[strange falcon]

People love Gwyn for his sad state and backstory not for how scary he looks,
He even has a solo piano theme,nothing scary bout that

[strange falcon]

Tbh CGI jailer was much more intimidating than ingame jailer xd

[uncut vault]

The jailer is never going to be intimidating in the way he should have regardless of how he looks, because he shouldn’t have been revealed properly until this patch

Giving him some random gold armor and a beard isn’t gonna change that, he’ll still just be an oversized dude we’ll eventually beat up

But he got a weapon matching his silver and blue armor look in 9.1, so he’s very likely sticking with this look, just getting some upgrades due to arbiter core

[tribal sand]

wait...
since when can we fly in korthia?

[strange falcon]

I thought we couldn't fly in the maw

[tribal sand]

yeah that was what i heard too
but here i am flying in korthia

got no special buff or anything; so i assume it is from the normal flying buff?

[silent urchin]

It's only in that one sub zone

Move qaround too much and it'll dismount you

quite rudely too

[tribal sand]

yeah

fell to ground and was quick with slowfall 😄

[cobalt jasper]

anyone playing fury warrior on the ptr?

[silent urchin]

I reported it as a bug a few patches back, I know other people have too. I assume it'll get fixed at some point

[tribal sand]

the Jailor is chasing me

[pulsar minnow]

He does?

[pulsar minnow]

Yes. It’s my main

[unborn glacier]

Korthia is such a good place to give Archeology some relevance. I'm so sad Blizz is completely overlooking this

[uncut vault]

and he's been getting some attack anims

[pulsar minnow]

That’s an awesome weapon. So yeah maybe we won’t see big Boi ice king

They might just do something entirely new

[uncut vault]

I think theyre pretty much setting him up as a parallel to bolvar

Jailer of the Damned, big scarred bald guy with a huge skull mace

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah. They’re going to reveal halfway through that Bolvar is “the key” or something

[uncut vault]

very obvious parallels 😛

See, I could definitley see stuff like that

more armor, having the filled in hole give him something more around his head/shoulders

people just expect him to up and change his whole palette and sprout lovely locks of hair with a beard haha

[pulsar minnow]

I would like the old design, but I do see how that can be weird. He looks like an older gent in those concepts, and I can’t really see him wielding a big hammer anymore

[uncut vault]

well thats part of the main nail in the coffin

they took most of those character traits and applied them to the primus

Primus was clearly originally more of a skeleton in a robe, now he's the old dude type

[pulsar minnow]

I see that now, and you’re definitely right about all the random assets we’ve been finding of his old model. They’re just reusing it to make sure it doesn’t go to waste

[uncut vault]

the only thing we really havent seen of his original concept is the crown, which is what I think will probably factor into his new one

if only because Arthas parallels, and blizz loves those

[uncut vault]

any idea what triggered that? is it a bug?

[tribal sand]

if u gather the korthia treasure shrooms u can eat them and get a 10 minute buff that transforms every friendly palyer/npc into one of the jailors forces

every few seconds (like 1 or 2 minutes) they jailor spawns and follows you for like 10 seconds

[dense plover]

The entire relic side system essentially is what you’re looking for. It’s just not tied to the profession

[unborn glacier]

They should have tied the proffesion in there for those who like the profession, like me

[dense plover]

So much this. I fully expect armor and such so they can parallel arthas

[tribal sand]

is the Buff

[uncut vault]

Neat

[tropic trail]

The nine is looking like a cool fight

Theres a lot of coordination happening

Plus dispells and soak stacking at the same time

Will be a nice twist to time cds just right

Now that amz has been nerfed

From a 2 target to 1 target boss

Not bad

[austere gazelle]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/C4X4dlQN86aLvss9NrVqn3rcRk5wdU-Rauq8V126DqU/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dacca0a2052ce6c410d0b229d77c3c74991734920/https/preview.redd.it/jbiyf6tzx0261.jpg

Maybe that will be the end reveal of the next raid

[spare shard]

holy, MW Monk buff on revival to use mastery now seems legit ridiculous. https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingBrainyOpossumFrankerZ-_V3-x5bl0IpuH0_3

[cunning fossil]

Tfw people said it was minor as fuck

Kek

[tropic trail]

Still will need to see how it scales with respective gear

The numbers still need to be tuned so it doesnt really show much

In bfa it was the same thing

It did give a lot of hp but maybe the other skills give it enough of a oompf to make it viable

[jade basalt]

@pulsar minnow Kind of looks like Darkseid there

[pulsar minnow]

I suppose that’s a good thing then. Darkseid is imposing! Unlike… well, goth wannabe thanos.

[jade basalt]

Comic Darkseid does look cooler than Comic Thanos.
But Movie Thanos > Movie Darkseid!

[terse patrol]

The eternal conundrum of Marvel vs DC.

Marvel > DC in terms of movies/live action shows.

DC > Marvel in animation.

And comics.

@jade basalt

[jade basalt]

True

[dense plover]

Steppenwolf looked pretty cool in the snyder cut tho

Pretty sure movie darkseid was made lackluster in order to not overshadow him

[spare shard]

even thanos looks pretty mediocre in avengers 1 till they decided to really flesh him out in infinity war/ end game

[tulip sun]

The Snyder cut was surprisingly better than the original

[dense plover]

I enjoyed it - it was a solid 7.5/10

I avoided the original like the plague so I can’t compare it

[dull flame]

mostly same they did change ending

[tribal sand]

i wonder how much it will get increased to

[tribal sand]

ok it doubles them 2 x 250 items

[mossy meteor]

Yup

The maw world quest already offers 2x250

[strange falcon]

I like that it specifically says "elite wq" because they didnt want to make normal wqs drop more

[tribal sand]

yeah that was all wq in some earlier builds but they increased the normal anima with a hotfix already

the later renown will then increase the oribos weekly quests anima gains even more

[dense plover]

There are separate milestones for weekly and standard Anima quests

It’s to make some things more valuable at different times in order to continue rewarding you

[strange falcon]

Thats not something blizz is good at

[silent urchin]

the elite quests missed out on the covenant building achievement bonuses

so they definitely needed more

[cunning fossil]

Scarlet High Priest Benedictus Voss Found in Shadowlands huh?

Lilian is gonna have a field day.

[mossy meteor]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hands_of_Defiance:_A_Chronicle_of_Woe

Lore behind the giants whose hands will be our mounts

[errant stirrup]

What do you guys predict will be good dps wise in 9.1 ?

Making a new character so wanna choose the right class

[mossy meteor]

Play whatever you want

[strange falcon]

Even if we were to tell you a class, 9.1 isnt out so any balancing patches or any changes to the bosses may make what we said, not the best choice,not to say any balancing during the tier

Since we dont want ppl comin here like "REEE you lied to me" or some shit,
We wont be able to help on that issue

[silent urchin]

They pretty much always do a balance hotfix on mythic release, so the optimal solution is to level and gear every single dps spec so you're prepared for what's best after the hotfix

[strange falcon]

That sounds like too much effort for anyone not worldfirst raider

[cunning fossil]

It is but that is most "optimal solution"

Technically

[strange falcon]

This is why AI will wipe out humanity because its the "most optimal solution" to solve world hunger

👀

[strange falcon]

tiridan with the forsworn smolkin

[errant stirrup]

I´ll just make a demon hunter

[pulsar minnow]

Ive gone to the dark side

[pulsar minnow]

That's a good choice. They're getting a buff in 9.1, and in general Demon Hunters are just great for their mobility. Have fun!

[cunning fossil]

Agre

[pulsar minnow]

found something on wowtools

The Arbiter has a covenant sigil. I dont think anyone's mentioned it yet

so- yeah. She's definitely going bye-bye. If it wasn't obvious enough as it is.

[dense plover]

for sure

[cunning fossil]

Gg guys. We had a good run

[dense plover]

i fully believe the end of sanctum is us losing

if we dont lose, theres really no more story to tell in 9.2

[sacred oriole]

im inclined to agree there

considering Ion hyping up 9.2 as something insane and the northrend leaks i think hes heading out of the maw and into azeroth

I just wish they would give this brand new character more backstory/motivation. RIght now hes just big tall asshole with a secret evil plan

[pulsar minnow]

For sure. Personally I’ve written this little story in my head, and I kinda hope it comes to pass, because I think it would set up the next two patches really well. The jailer wins, gets his sigil, regrows his hair and reverses balding. Then at a fully powered state, he just outright murders every single covenant leader (but they’re reduced to their essence like the Titans/denathrius). Since the Eternal Ones were the only people who knew the location of the Sepulcher, we have to go to the Broker’s plane of the Shadowlands) why would they mention it if they aren’t going to show it) and investigate how to get to the sepulcher. 9.3 is the sepulcher, the raid is the Heart of Azeroth.

[sacred oriole]

They've written some stuff sure, but unless you pay attaention to the sidequests or dig through random book snippets from amazon you won't get much of his revealed story so far

[dense plover]

i do not see the jailers model changing significantly outside of maybe getting a helmet

also taking us back to the HoA would be way too tame

i do see us still going to the broker homeworld area place

especially since brokers have been fleeing it

[pulsar minnow]

My personal theory also is that the Brokers were once the Jailer’s covenant

[dense plover]

i think the brokers were the natives before the arbiter "ordered" the shadowlands

[sacred oriole]

personally i dont want to see the repeat of legion with the whole titans as balls of energy, and going back to azeroth makes sense from a story continuation perspective(the giant sword in the planet) but game wise we've already done this theme

[dense plover]

and the jailer was probably her creator

and since he couldnt be impartial

he was banished when he tried to stop her

used his heart to create her, etc

[sacred oriole]

The First ones made the shadowlands , not the arbiter, if my understanding is correct

[pulsar minnow]

I get that. Obviously it’s just a random theory. I was thinking the real Heart of Azeroth as in the raid takes place right next to the giant world soul, and the reveal could maybe be that Azeroth is a dormant First One or something? Or we could just do the Sepulcher, which is probably the best route

Just trying to think of what Blizz would do for shock factor

[sacred oriole]

Personally im sensing more of a firstborn betrayal theme ie. Zoval was the first "child" of the first ones, he was the favorite but went into the teenage emo phase and betrayed his parents

[sacred oriole]

yeah, id like it if the reason Azeroth is so powerful and important is that shes some sort of reincarnation of a First One

[pulsar minnow]

That’s what I’m thinking too. By definition, a Sepulcher is a place where a body is put to rest. Perhaps he killed a First One? After all, he’s “Titan++” whereas the other Eternals are more akin to Keepers. He might’ve used domination magic to kill one. Then- and this is really off the wire, but what if the First Ones took their fallen kin, and hid them among the World Souls of reality

[dense plover]

well

a sepulcher of knowledge could be a place where you store forbidden knowledge

so it might not be as literal as you think

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but the Sepulcher is hidden

It’s not the one in Maldraxxus

[unborn glacier]

^

[upper edge]

so what transmog is earned through the campaign exactly?

[uncut vault]

I dont think any transmog is directly earned via the campaign

one is from renown, one is from anima, and one is from one of the new reps

[dense plover]

theres supposed to be 4 tho right?

so we are still short one?

could it potentially be a 80 renown quest reward thingy?

[uncut vault]

Yeah only 3 are in game atm

[upper edge]

thats what im talking about lol

[storm marsh]

hopefully, they "removed" my fav one from the list

[dense plover]

new ptr on vendor

VersionsName: 9.1.0.38627 → 9.1.0.38783!

this is likely tomorrow's ptr build

[vernal magnet]

today for me

this week for sure will have the enhancement buffs!

[cunning fossil]

Nice

[mossy meteor]

build incoming

servers just went down

[silent urchin]

huh

I was just logging in to check and it let me on the char screen

[cunning fossil]

Build pls today

[vernal magnet]

so is it down or no?

[silent urchin]

It's down

I think I just confused the client a bit by logging in exactly as it went down

[cunning fossil]

HOpe we see the build soonm

[ionic terrace]

it's out

[dense plover]

Woot

I might actually get to datamine today

[mossy meteor]

chonker

[cunning fossil]

Woot it's ouit

[silent urchin]

ptr servers are up

fast patch

[mossy meteor]

uh oh

[full willow]

No sign of season 2 affix in this build right ?

[silent urchin]

nope

[mossy meteor]

uh oh

i can't log in to any of my characters

[silent urchin]

Any of them? Were they all in the same place?

[mossy meteor]

one was in korthia

one in bastion

i have to try the other 3

[silent urchin]

And it's the same crash? Definitely weird. Korthia is fine for me, that sort of thing is often because there's a broken asset or something

[mossy meteor]

yeah the same

again

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1397319756319973388

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

If you don't like spoilers. Care what you watch next on Wowhead.

Twitter · May 25, 2021, 10:32 PM

oo

[pulsar minnow]

Jailer model pls

I wish

Lol

[mossy meteor]

probably some broadcast text

and a cutscene

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe Sylvanas’ final words

[mossy meteor]

oh it might be an addon issue

too late now

[dense plover]

still no music 😭

[mossy meteor]

hey at least you can play 😛

i decided to reinstall it before realising i could disable addons

[dense plover]

I THINK they updated desmotaeron on the map - not sure

war chests have descriptions now

the chains chapter heading and lore is implemented

[mossy meteor]

lore book was added in the last build

[dense plover]

anduin is involved with the ardenweald ending

[mossy meteor]

oh

they updated it even more

[dense plover]

helya is returned to helheim

[mossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTKBYttDa08

[lethal tide]

https://youtu.be/gTKBYttDa08

Lol

[silent urchin]

I think the final chapter is implemented now

at least I'm being pointed to "New sigil of the Kyrian" to resume

[dense plover]

legendary powers are correctly part of renown for your covenant now

[silent urchin]

unless that was added earlier and I missed it

[mossy meteor]

it was added now

the kyrian breadcrumb

[silent urchin]

can't actually find the questgiver though

[mossy meteor]

same

[dense plover]

they moved the modified maw skybox in oribos BEHIND the portals so its less glitchy

might be wrong but seems you can unlock adamant vaults power much earlier now

enduring souls only has 1 rank now

[mossy meteor]

that's new

[silent urchin]

wait did it have more than 1 before?

[dense plover]

quest text contrast is implemented

[dense plover]

yes - i believe it had at least 2

it was super OP

now its just good

comparison shot

seems like T2Speech might also be implemented

rank unlock stuff is implemented

assaults now also give renown!

so i think this is a weekly - which is cool

keepers respite has more doodads now

[uncut vault]

they def need to introduce a weekly quest color at some point

[pulsar minnow]

I vote purple

[dense plover]

new cosmetics

raid sets are in if they werent before

seems like covenant specific vestments arent getting their 4th color 😭

even more doodads

[uncut vault]

hey nice, primus' voice finally implemented

[silent urchin]

is it stupidly deep and distorted like what feels like every NPC this expansion

[dense plover]

dont know if they had this before but there are upgradable weapons!

[dense plover]

it isnt and tbh it bothers me since he is the leader of the maldraxxi - it doesnt even sound deep enough imo

bar for pages/rank?