beta-ptr-spoilers

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t simp

But I’d simp for Azshara

So maybe I do

[young latch]

it sounds like you do

[pulsar minnow]

And Daddy Denathrius

[pulsar minnow]

Illidan is a Sigma Male confirmed

[terse patrol]

Reminder Makani completely redid the Three Sisters comic and made it better.

👏

[unborn glacier]

Link?

I need this sauce

[terse patrol]

Lemme see if there’s a album

https://makanidotdot.tumblr.com/tagged/three sisters redraw/chrono/

@unborn glacier

[vocal flint]

So do we know if sylvanas stuns us for a minute at 2% hp yet ?

[cunning fossil]

Probably will

[unborn glacier]

@terse patrolYup. That is fucking awesome

x3

[mossy meteor]

nop

we don't know anything about the actual encounter

since it wasn't tested yet

typically they like to test every other boss first on heroic

then move into mythic testing

and usually sometime near the end of the ptr cycle, they announce heroic testing of the final boss

[vocal flint]

So when do you think we'll see this patch released?

[unborn glacier]

No release date

[vocal flint]

Well I mean as a tester what's your guess

[mossy meteor]

sometime this summer

[vocal flint]

I went to look around a few weeks ago and the new area felt super rough. Wondering what's testers guess as of how long till stuff feels like releasable levels.

[mossy meteor]

end of june / beginning of july

[vocal flint]

I'm gon guess blizzard don't want to overlap with the burning crusade re release

[dense plover]

End of June is my guess assuming we get tazavesh testing in the next week or two

[minor pulsar]

they proved that they dont care about overlap xd

wont be surprised if they launch 9.1 on june 1st too

[silent urchin]

that's probably a bit early, there's still a lot of content missing/unfinished on PTR

I'm expecting late june as well

[vocal flint]

late june huh.. sounds appropriate i guess if not hopefull

[uncut vault]

they specifically said that TBC and 9.1 are launching separate from each other, so late june is pretty much earliest for it

really depends on how much more theyre intending on adding to Korthia like Ion suggested in a few interviews

and the dungeon testing

[mossy meteor]

well they can do 1-2 massive builds

[grim canyon]

Best guess is at least July, since TBC this early is gonna be a good reminder why you shouldn't rush this stuff out (Even though granted this isnt the dev team's fault, it's whoever is scheduling this stuff), as well as PTR already showing what happens by rushing since it delayed raid tests by a good few weeks, and that's still putting things in a best case scenario

I've seen some streamers that even mentioned they think 9.1 should have been out a month or two ago, which is completely ridiculous to me considering it doesn't account for the one month offset 9.0 already had that a lot of streamers are forgetting about.

[dense plover]

tbf, we are still missing whatever weird upgrade system thing is going on at the vault of secrets as well

so theres at least 2 full things that are totally unimplemented

and torghast stuff still needs a lot of work

late june is the earliest

might end up early july

[grim canyon]

If TBC's launch doesnt end up plagued by issues, I'd consider June as possible, but atm my bet holds solid that an early release isnt gonna bode well

[upper hatch]

Bye train wrecker

[mossy meteor]

Noo my train

[young latch]

my favorite part of this comic is i think the half elf kids already having political differences

and that they are kinda doomed to repeat the cycle very clearly

[austere gazelle]

does it destroy sylvanas' lamenters?

[upper hatch]

I don't know yet. Gonna have to try

[unborn glacier]

ded chat

[uncut vault]

Pretty sure that’s just a maw themed version of the windup train wrecker, probably doesn’t have any other interactions

[mossy meteor]

god i love marileth

[uncut vault]

do we have any idea what these are gonna be, or are they NYI?

[silent urchin]

No idea. Other than the various soulbind upgrades I don't think any of the renown rewards are active

Probably have to wait til we can get renown

[pulsar minnow]

Protect him at all costs

[dense plover]

pretty sure NYI

likely either more adventurers or upgrading specific adventurers to a higher rank (with a new ability) and b/c thats covenant specific, its not implemented

[foggy abyss]

Tbh
Theotar & Marileth probably are the 2 best bois of this expansion

[uncut vault]

I really hope they interact at some point

9.1's getting so many but that's the one I want most

[cunning fossil]

Both are insane yet extremely powerful

I like

[stoic marsh]

Is it known if garrosh has a new model in shadowlands?

[strange falcon]

He doesnt at least yet

[stoic marsh]

Darn

[mossy meteor]

did they disable flying on the ptr or what

[silent urchin]

nope

[mossy meteor]

i can't fly :/

i completed the chapter that gives flying twice now

[silent urchin]

did you use the item it gives you?

It doesn't get redeemed automatically for some reason

Also no flying in the maw/korthia

except for one subzone in korthia that allows it for some reason

[mossy meteor]

yeah i'm in revendreth atm

[silent urchin]

Dunno then, maybe they broke the quest, I did it a couple weeks ago

[mossy meteor]

oh well

im gonna do the chapter again

i have an alt that's ready to do it

[vernal juniper]

I'm stucked here

https://i.imgur.com/Vbyao54.png

is it normal or I can go ahead somehow?

[silent urchin]

I think you're done. The last step that's in is the paragon ceremony in bastion. What lies ahead isn't in, and the final 3 steps don't seem to trigger the campaign progress properly when completed

[tulip sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/comments/n960zq/spoiler_just_got_the_new_folks_fairy_tales_book/

[terse patrol]

Seems I was right about how they plan to “redeem” her.

Make her soul whole again.

@tulip sun

[grim canyon]

If it were to happen, it would happen in Sanctum of Domination, depending on how the last fight behaves

It can act the same way as Sires, or act as a sort of a cataclysmic event with here redemption beginning within the fight

[pulsar minnow]

I think Taliesin got it right. Sylvanas will die but will redeem herself in death

[grim canyon]

I still believe that Sylvannas can possibly take the Jailer's place both towards protecting the veil and assisting in breaking the cycle of black-and-white life-or-death

[dense plover]

i dont see any of those possibilities

i see 2 options

1 - sylvanas acts completely in her own interest, which happens to help us and screw the jailer, but is clearly just her being selfish

2 - she continues to help the jailer though she tries to throw the fight in a sort of last ditch attempt to stop him but he exerts his influence over her and forces her to stop us

3 options

sorry

3 - she continues to help the jailer because she has already come so far and she does the jailer thing

i think its going to be 2 or 3

because we have 2 more patches

and realistically, this is the patch where the jailer needs to win and we need to lose

otherwise the story has nowhere to go

[cunning fossil]

Unless

Void LoRdS

As surprise final patch

[tulip sun]

I think it is pretty evident now that she will survive.

and meet up with her sisters in a further patch

They can't kill her without another reunion now

[cunning fossil]

One more reunion before death

Nice

[terse patrol]

My guess is

She expects the Jailer to do (thing) she expected, but instead he does (other thing), making her realize he was a big mean liar liar pants on fire. And we beat her ass but not kill her.

@dense plover

[vocal flint]

still killed a country and a half worth of population

not to mention all the horde she sent to their death

[terse patrol]

And the innumerable souls from across the cosmos going into the Maw

[vocal flint]

any writer that think they can write a redemption plot off that situation is freaking delucional

but we are talking about blizzard writers so i wouldnt be surprised if they go for it anyways

[tulip sun]

She doesn't need...redeemed.

Her doing one half decent thing doesn't wipe her slate clean

[vocal flint]

just said that but yeah

[terse patrol]

You don’t need to be forgiven.

[vocal flint]

yeah but she needs to be punished

[terse patrol]

Sylvanas will likely get her soul repaired, realize she was a big bad, then do something selfless to undo the bad she did

And

[vocal flint]

making her the new " jailer " sounds like bullshit too but if i had to pick before everyone going " WELP SHES GOOD NOW " to " THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A JAILER " id pick the jailer side

[terse patrol]

Either die (unlikely)

or become the new Jailer.

[vocal flint]

with blizzard trying to make her the new arthras thats probably whats gona happen

[dense plover]

or trapped in the maw

or judged by the arbiter and sent to revendreth

who knows

[terse patrol]

Arthas is more redeemable than Sylvanas

[dense plover]

i dont see any redemption for her

theyre not framing her in that way

[vocal flint]

well it all takes her having doubts about the jailer

which they are already hinting

[strange falcon]

For her to be the new jailer it would mean the old one went away,and even if our bald boy goes to northrend that doesnt mean hes not the jailer anymore either

[dense plover]

whatever they do with her, its going to be a "break in case of emergency" thing like they did with illidan

so she can come back 3 or 4 expacs from now when they need her to

[vocal flint]

im more interested in vol jins return at this point

i really wish blizzard forgets about fucking silvanas already

id rather fight orcs again at this point lol

[dense plover]

well, voljin is in a pod

probably becoming a loa

so give him an expac or 2

[vocal flint]

inb4 forgotten

[dense plover]

and its pretty clear sylvanas wont be part of the next expac

[vocal flint]

whats left after this either way

void lords

light

[dense plover]

well

technically a lot actually

[terse patrol]

Life

Chaos

[dense plover]

with them saying each section of the universe has a pantheon

theyve expanded their options

while we only have LORE on light and void

shadowlands shows they can make stuff up, fit it into the current cosmic lore, and make it visually interesting and unique

so yeah, life, chaos, a few others too

[vocal flint]

tell that to the emerald dream lol

literally in limbo

[dense plover]

emerald dream isnt life tho

its a subplane

[terse patrol]

Life is likely the next cosmic pitstop

[dense plover]

like the plane of earth

[vocal flint]

was supposed to be the afterlife for druids and whatnot

[dense plover]

thats called a retcon

shadowlands is now the afterlife

[vocal flint]

whats the emerald dream now

[dense plover]

the dream is the place for rebirth before returning to the mortal plane

[terse patrol]

The Emerald Dream is a subdimension of Life created by Eonar most likely

[dense plover]

its halfway inbetween

so for example

[vocal flint]

the in in between

[dense plover]

lets say youre a wild god

[tulip sun]

That map needs adjusting, haha

[dense plover]

you die

[tulip sun]

Or I guess just.

Detailing

[dense plover]

you go to the shadowlands

[vocal flint]

dude

stop lol

[dense plover]

you end up in a pod in ardenweald

and then after, you are in the emerald dream

where your body slowly regenerates, now that your spirit has been reborn

[vocal flint]

~_~

[dense plover]

b/c ardenweald only does the spirit - not the body

[terse patrol]

Is that chart official?

[vocal flint]

yep

[unborn glacier]

That is Daddy Ds doing, not hers

[dense plover]

i think its a fan-colored version of the one from chronicles

yeah - it is

[terse patrol]

but this then implies there’s an Emerald Dream pantheon?

[tulip sun]

Hmmm

[vocal flint]

i dont get how the burning legion is in the fire side

[tulip sun]

I don't think it does Honk

[terse patrol]

But the Shadowlands are the realms of Death

Yet here they’re shown as separate

[dense plover]

i mean, clearly elune is tied to that in some way

[tulip sun]

Shadowlands is a place.

But the Eternal Ones are on titan level cosmic scale

[vocal flint]

https://gyazo.com/f7e600f325a3efaf68a3f991dd548d2d emerald dream takes a place as big as the shadowlands

[terse patrol]

It’s a dimension.

[vocal flint]

unless they retconned that too

and the emerald dream is now just " shrug "

[dense plover]

i dont think the size is the part that matters

[vocal flint]

how so

[tulip sun]

The Eternal Ones are more comparable to the Titans, and so would the other Pantheons.

[dense plover]

because its a metaphorical representation

[vocal flint]

the chart obv uses size to encompass importance or power

[dense plover]

the size is relevant to its significance to the importance

not the actual physical size of it

also its absolutely possible each world has a copy within the dream

[vocal flint]

well the for what you jut said we can asume that the emerald dream is as important as the shadowlands

[dense plover]

but we have only been able to access our dream because we have only tried on azeroth

[terse patrol]

Alright so.

For my own sanity.

I assume the Shadowlands is overseen by the pantheon of Death.

Whereas

The Emerald Dream is overseen by Life.

And Eonar didn’t create it

[vocal flint]

honestly that chart makes no sense if you actually think about it

positions of the elements are all mixed into areas that have zero relation to its suroundings

[dense plover]

i agree

[vocal flint]

it looks cool i guess

[dense plover]

i think eonar pushed her influence on it

ordered parts of it

but i dont think thats what its SUPPOSED to look like

[terse patrol]

The cosmic map needs to be updated

[dense plover]

definitely

[terse patrol]

Because the Undead are shown next to Titans.

As if they’re on par.

[dense plover]

i think theyre waiting to decide what they are doing exactly before updating it

[terse patrol]

Like

Right now, I think the Shadowlands being labeled as separate isn’t canon anymore.

[vocal flint]

air between burning legion which makes no sense them being besides fire and the undeath

[terse patrol]

I think that’s just the dimension of Death.

All cosmic dimensions are connected to Reality.

[vocal flint]

dont help the fact that fire in wow has been related with purification since like forever

not corruption

[tulip sun]

Eternal Ones should replace Undead

And their life counterparts and Disorder counterparts replace their respective slots

[vocal flint]

even ragnaros purged ( purifired ) with fire. the dragons.

[dense plover]

we dont know what the eternal ones/progenitors are yet

[tulip sun]

Eternal Ones are the realm leaders.

First Ones are what we don't know

[dense plover]

but what about the progenitors/first ones

those clearly came before the realm leaders

[terse patrol]

If there is a pantheon of Order, Life, and Death, there must be one for Chaos. And since it’s Chaos, it’s likely they’re “similar” to Warhammer Chaos in that they’re likely busy fighting each other to bother Reality too much. Sargeras isn’t a true member of the pantheon.

[dense plover]

so they would be above them for sure

[tulip sun]

First Ones are cosmic-wide I reckon

Like they created EVERYTHING

[dense plover]

like how the titans are above the keepers

then the first ones would be the titan equivalent

[tulip sun]

No, they'd be above the titans

[terse patrol]

First Ones are likely the closest thing to true gods.

Elune may have ascended to become one.

[vocal flint]

cant wait to swing my sword and block the blows of a first one

[dense plover]

wherever we are going next is going to tie into finding out more about the cosmic chart

and who elune is

and what

[vocal flint]

isnt elune the sister of the winter queen

[dense plover]

yes but i dont think its neccesarily literal

[terse patrol]

Prays Elune doesn’t become a Tall Lady Handing Out Quests In A Player Hub.

[dense plover]

i dont think elune is a part of the shadowlands

she has ties to life, not death

but she has influence within the shadowlands as well

[vocal flint]

the way the winter queen talks about her makes it seem like they arent in speaking terms

[dense plover]

its unclear

[strange falcon]

As seen with RE8,the internet likes tall ladies tho

[terse patrol]

Well

[vocal flint]

not being in speaking terms courtails to actually being equals

[tulip sun]

I think the First Ones created everything, all the pantheons (Titans, Eternals ones...whatever the life pantheon is)

[terse patrol]

I believe it’s because Elune ascended. They used to talk when they were on par with each other as members of pantheons. But they grew distant when Elune became a goddess.

Likely because Elune has to handle the affairs across the cosmos now.

[vocal flint]

dont get the need to have a higher being

at one point all is chaos

[terse patrol]

She has worshippers on many planets apparently now.

[vocal flint]

or like raw magic/power/w.e

[terse patrol]

Xal’atath calls her an upstart goddess.

So, my guess is she circumvented the system.

In order to protect life.

So’s become a being of light and void.

She’s*

[vocal flint]

has there been any explanation as of why theres flora and fauna in the shadowlands besides " kinda need it to make the game function "

[terse patrol]

Which explains her powers she grants her priestesses.

[dense plover]

shadowlands isnt pure death

its also an afterlife and rebirth

plants there definitely arent plants like on azeroth

[terse patrol]

Well, apparently “life” in the Shadowlands is born of anima in order to perform needed functions.

[dense plover]

thats why you have "plants" in maldraxxus that are flesh and belch smoke

[terse patrol]

They’re not alive.

[vocal flint]

guess everyone needs oxygen hehe

[terse patrol]

They’re more like spirit beings brought into existence to serve a purpose.

Nothing more.

[dense plover]

^

[vocal flint]

i wish they would have ripped a page off the Q continium from star trek with their reprecentation of shadowlands reality

[dense plover]

that would be the chaos realm

not death

[vocal flint]

" we dont actually look like this. we just made this look the way they are so you could better comprehend with your small mortal mind " > so they make texas

[dense plover]

that wouldnt make sense for death

death should be a place of permanence in most cases

[pulsar minnow]

She's a member of the Life Pantheon supposedly according to Grimoire

[dense plover]

and in those few not permanent cases, rebirth

[terse patrol]

I kinda feel like when we DO get to Chaos, they’ll pull some inspiration from Warhammer.

[vocal flint]

i just hope they throw the green neon lights away and use some other colors

cant imagine 5 areas with different types of chaos green colored trees

[pulsar minnow]

The RGBKeyboardLands

[terse patrol]

Green will likely be the destructive force of chaos.

There will likely be other varieties.

[vocal flint]

inb4 " we also got nice people in chaos "

[dense plover]

^ fel isnt the only destructive chaotic force

[dense plover]

chaotic good exists

chaotic evil and chaotic neutral also

chaotic =/= evil

chaotic means extreme

[terse patrol]

I mean. Even Chaos in Warhammer isn’t 100% evil. (It’s just mostly evil!)

[dense plover]

chaotic good is freedom at all costs

anarchy could be argued as chaotic good or chaotic neutral

chaotic good characters would work to prevent slavery

chaotic evil might want to enslave everyone to serve them

this creates deeper chaos

[terse patrol]

So ye

I suspect we’ve never heard of the Chaos pantheon because they’ve been too busy fighting each other.

@dense plover

Seems on brand for beings of pure chaos.

[dense plover]

probably

chaos would be eternal conflict

but not for order vs chaos like diablo

it would be anarchy vs total slavery

or even anarchy vs cruelty

[terse patrol]

I could see another representation of Fae in the realms of Chaos.

Faeries exist in Death and Life.

Chaos faeries could be akin to some of the more cruel stories of fae.

Awful, self serving, prank playing creatures.

And the pranks are never fun for the victim.

Though

That could be how the Life faeries are.

Reflections of the cruelty of nature.

@dense plover

[pulsar minnow]

I could see Chaos not having any Pantheon personally. No sense of unification at all fits Chaos

[terse patrol]

They could have a pantheon but no unity whatsoever.

[dense plover]

a chaos pantheon would likely be by birth or by realm

IE the original first of each major faction

[terse patrol]

The strongest rules by the sheer merit they’re the strongest (or most liked)

[dense plover]

they just outclass the rest of their realm in pure power

[terse patrol]

The Void Lords are likely the Void Pantheon.

Which means the Light also has a pantheon.

It’s likely not all of the Void is evil.

[austere gazelle]

The Light Pantheon are probably the Prime Naaru

[mossy meteor]

hey

neat

draka becomes a margrave

in a necrolord only questline

[vocal flint]

i know this is 9.1 spoilers but that one actually made me mad to be spoiled about it lol

[mossy meteor]

lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Is she new new Margrave of the House of Eyes or the Chosen?

[mossy meteor]

chosen

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Roads_We_Walk

[pulsar minnow]

Damn. So big man Krexus is really gone for good then. I know it's dumb but I was just kinda hoping the Primus could bring him back or something. He was just an awesome looking character.

[strange falcon]

He had his role,sad they put all that effort into a cgi model of him and plaster him on all promotional material and he dies offscreen during leveling

😩

[cunning fossil]

Demo Lock Buffs is awesone

[strange falcon]

he's talking about this https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/large-undocumented-change-for-warlocks-on-9-1-ptr-pets-benefit-from-bonus-damage-322273

[cunning fossil]

Yes. Indeed

Thx for context

[vernal magnet]

so uh

build tonight?

[unborn glacier]

[vernal magnet]

gib the build

I know you have it

[unborn glacier]

Nu

My build

It's full of BM buffs

To make it best spec

[unborn glacier]

BM buffs blizz

[austere gazelle]

I'd hoped they would replace the covenant leader promo artwork to put some Primus on those ...

[mossy meteor]

ptr down

[cunning fossil]

Sylvanas with no Mythic Only phase

[ancient jasper]

No plans to allowing leveling in Torghast for 9.1. Maybe for a .5 patch in the future, sounds cool.

Damn

RIP

[cunning fossil]

At least they acknowledge it as a cool idea

[vernal magnet]

build soon?

I feel it approaching

the enhancement buffs

[cunning fossil]

Kek

[unborn glacier]

Prays to Ion for BM buffs

[vernal magnet]

no bm buffs

srynotsry

[cunning fossil]

SV rework?

:(

[unborn glacier]

Go away

[unborn glacier]

Reworks only come with Xpac releases

[mossy meteor]

eh

not really

there were a few reworks mid xpac

[cunning fossil]

There have been some reworks. Like the Holy Pally thijg

[vernal magnet]

sv just got a buff tho

so prob no rework

[strange falcon]

Didnt know you could "feel" builds

[vernal magnet]

its the gamma rays from 5g

[cunning fossil]

kek sur

[mossy meteor]

new build is her

[strange falcon]

Her who?

[pulsar minnow]

Holy shit that Sanctum of Domination loading screen looks amazing

[tropic trail]

DEATH CHAKRAM EXPLOSIVE SHOT LEGO

And they called me crazy for maxing out necro before swapping to nightfae

I mean I am crazy but still

[uncut vault]

tfw sylvanas' model now has a quiver, but players still cant use it with a cloak

[mossy meteor]

catchup gear!!

[silent urchin]

They seem to have redone upgrading the maw gear too, it now only has 6 ranks

Still don't think you can earn the thing to actually upgrade it though

[mossy meteor]

you can now

[silent urchin]

Oh? I didn't see it actually listed as a reward on anything, although I haven't done any of the stuff that gives chests yet

[mossy meteor]

i got some

and they mentioned in the patch notes

[unborn glacier]

damn, Blizz hates BM

[mossy meteor]

finally

this guy has loot!

relic fragments and anima XD

[pulsar minnow]

Delete this

[uncut vault]

||amogus||

[pulsar minnow]

I hate it. I can’t tell if this is just a joke they left in the files or if they’re actually adding that as an anima power. This is a crime greater than Teldrassil

[uncut vault]

it seems to be an actual anima power

has all the mechanics in for it and everything

[silent urchin]

hopefully it's restricted to one of the weird events

don't want that to take up like 90% of my choices

[dense plover]

im late to the party, but tazavesh testing means my late june guess might be on point

ah, and this is the vault of secrets archives stuff

"New: The Archivist’s Codex – Discover more of Korthia’s ancient secrets as you recover relics for the Reliquary of Remembrance that were lost in the wake of the mawsworn invasion.

Players can begin The Archivist’s Codex by rescuing Scholar Roh-Suir near the Seeker’s Quorum.
Recover relic fragments from treasures, bosses, and enemies to improve your reputation. More changes will be coming for this system in the following weeks."

also they added options for volume fog!

still no music

adventure upgrades were new companions @uncut vault

[uncut vault]

oh thatsn ice

[dense plover]

they changed some of the anima WQ reward upgrades to be elite WQ specific

theres other options too @uncut vault

final campaign chapter has a different icon in the renown menu

they also increase the anima from oribos and pvp quests

[mossy meteor]

oh damn

i noticed that some of the quests (korthia weekly) and the elite wq in the new beastwarrens area give like

500 / 750 anima

[dense plover]

they moved the torghast talents around

efficient looter is now at the top

i need to see if it is still buggy for targetting

[pulsar minnow]

Looks like the Oribos skybox was altered again - just a few touchups. Looks really nice

[dense plover]

assaults finally have a unique icon within the maw

[uncut vault]

arrows for the sylvanas bow got changed to match the quiver

[dense plover]

the gear grind item has been added

[tulip sun]

Tyrande entirely lost the dark blue eyes rio

Rip

I expected them to be permanent regardless

[silent urchin]

oh god do the new companions start above level 1?

[dense plover]

uh

[silent urchin]

because I'm not even done leveling the original ones

[pulsar minnow]

Tiny details like this is just always awesome to see. The fact that they even bothered to go out of the way to add unique arrows makes me really happy

[tulip sun]

Ehat

Am I missing something in the screenshot

[pulsar minnow]

there's a massive maw magic explosion

[silent urchin]

there's also what looks like a couple dozen stacked maw necromancer corpses

[mossy meteor]

they added catchup gear

[dense plover]

yeah i dont know what the corpses are

think its a thing for the portal spawn

[dense plover]

and they didnt make it invisible

[mossy meteor]

so catchup gear is available for 1k stygia at the deaths advance vendor

[dense plover]

i dont see it as catchup

its like benthic gear

[mossy meteor]

this is what i got

it is catchup

BOA* tokens you open, sounds like catchup to me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse patrol]

Why can't Blizzard stick to the new direction they were going with with elf eyes?

[pulsar minnow]

Elves be wildin

it is what it is

[terse patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347751725903380492/841826493687529492/961623-valeera-sanguinar.png

This looks so much better than

this.

[dense plover]

got 4x 35 anima

sorry

8x

[pulsar minnow]

Remove the lighting effect on the Tyrande eyes and I think they look pretty good

[dense plover]

and 40 of these

[pulsar minnow]

And that's quite a significant amount of anima considering it's just an event

[terse patrol]

The glow effects on eyes are just bad, and can be better shown using a bright texture that ignores lighting (giving the illusion of glowing).

Like what they did with Valeera.

Wish they'd use what they did with Valeera on all elves.

[dense plover]

its a rare

not an event

[uncut vault]

Tyrandes seem very WIP, theyre not even BfA standard

[pulsar minnow]

Even better!

[dense plover]

it probably can only be done once per week

but yes

it is nice

[terse patrol]

@uncut vault Let's hope.

[dense plover]

also i mightve just rolled well

[uncut vault]

but at least shes a different species haha

comparing Sylvanas to Valeera is kinda hilarious

[terse patrol]

Tyrande*

[uncut vault]

rogue who never really used fel outside of a short instance, full magic eyes

[terse patrol]

I'm saying the old glow effects just don't look good.

[uncut vault]

dark ranger who is undead and immersed in death magic? regular sclera, just some glowy pupils

[dense plover]

the commendations got a fancy icon

the maw visitors can give upgradable gear now

[terse patrol]

Alleria uses the same effect as Valeera.

Same with Sylvanas.

So, it's clearly what they currently do with elves.

[dense plover]

they added visitors and npcs to the top floor of oribos

[tulip sun]

Hmm

[terse patrol]

so idk why they're using weird looking Death Knight eyes. Hopefully they fix it.

[tulip sun]

Maybe they want Tyrande to be extra sparkly

[tulip sun]

Kind of expected the Night warrior dark blue to be permanent

[tulip sun]

Does this mean ALL elves lost the dark blue eyes

[terse patrol]

Lor'themar, too.

[tulip sun]

Hmm

[terse patrol]

If they want Tyrande to be extra sparkly, I hope they figure out a better effect.

[tulip sun]

Like

Why introduce night warrior customization if meant to be temporary

[terse patrol]

idk.

[terse patrol]

It's likely we'll be able to keep it.

[tulip sun]

Yeah they won't remove customization

But it is...weird

[terse patrol]

Blizzard should let Night Elves and Blood Elves use the Dark Ranger eyes/skins.

[tulip sun]

Id prefer it be a body switch for forsaken.

Or its own AR would even be better. But forsaken body option would be ideal

[dense plover]

was taylor in oribos previously?

they mightve removed the invisible walls around the zones

or revendreth never had them

not sure which

[tulip sun]

I think he was

[dense plover]

they portal you to bastion

its very nice

its unfortunately a once off

about to take the barge to tazavesh

im hoping that it doesnt just stick you on a platform considering the entire zone is also available in the world

somehow i can see someone else's anima conductor beam since it spawns a rare i guess>?

this feels new

i think it actually flies you there

nvm

[dense plover]

and now i have a dungeon quest

so looks like you cant access the zone 😭

it has a map

A LOT OF MAPS

this is where the saxophone is used btw

stormheim map is broken

neat trinket

second one

gonna try the same assault i did on the first day and see what has changed

nvm, dont have time

quests are different tho and seems like the zone has more far reaching changes to mobs and such now

seems at least local - dont have time to check the whole maw

i imagine its only this quarter this assault takes place in

they replaced heirmir b/c theyre in korthia - neato

adventures now correctly show how much XP they provide

they have a nice mouseover preview now as well

oh nvm

my memory is wrong

heirmir is on the other side

lol

can confirm invisible walls around the zones still exist

[uncut vault]

the new temple has an anima stream for all characters regardless of covenant

[dense plover]

oh

ok

why?

[grim canyon]

We set it up in a questline

Forsworn and Ascended together on a unified path, that sort of thing

[grim canyon]

Hey @dense plover did you say you had trouble getting into the instance

As it seems to work fine

[dense plover]

No, I meant you can’t get into the zone

Like the actual non instanced city

It isn’t open

Even though the whole thing is there

[dense plover]

i want someone to run the dungeon so i can see all of the areas

[terse patrol]

I just realized something

When is the last time Blizzard added a new ship/zeppelin?

Like, say, the one between Booty Bay and Ratchet.

I really miss those.

[uncut vault]

they added new ships in BfA to Echo Isles/Zuldazar and Stormwind/Kul Tiras

[terse patrol]

I mean, those are rarely used due to portals to those places existing.

I mean ships used in the actual new content areas.

@uncut vault

So, like, let’s say Dragon Isles is added.

And there’s multiple islands.

You could ride the ship between them.

[uncut vault]

would probably be better suited for leveling revamp, people would go bonkers over having to wait for a boat at max level

but for a new leveling system it'd work

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Where are you finding the screens of the novel. Just saw the tweet about chromie

[uncut vault]

Someone on the lore subreddit had it, sent the image

[dense plover]

I actually think the barge should be like a zeppelin for tazavesh instead of a FP mount

Like, not saying the FP should go

But as an option

[light compass]

i hope they will change tyrandes eyes again..its looks like built-in flashlight

[uncut vault]

I agree, they should have the lady down there just be an option for flavor

[strange falcon]

This is mostly the reason most things were not added back

[tropic trail]

Yeah. You really can't expect some people to handle their immediate gratification dopamine injectors buttons being taken away for a more scenic option

☝️ the sheer state of most gamers these days

[strange falcon]

in general most people are "i want it now" "but i also want quality,which takes time"
see the amount of ppl sending death threats to cyberpunk devs for delaying the game a 3rd time and then the game still didnt come out good because it was undercooked and pushed out by higherup execs

[tropic trail]

There's a reason why I constantly say that gamers are the worst thing about gaming

[cunning fossil]

People are the worst thing about anything, let's be honest

[solar temple]

People are the worst

[pulsar minnow]

To be fair though it’s just really annoying having to already wait 2 minutes just to get to a zone in SL. Though I wouldn’t mind a boat next expansion because I’d just bind my hearthstone to the new place that’s hopefully a connected continent.

[strange falcon]

Engineering wormhole toy + travel network lvl 3 and set your hs in the covenant boom

[pulsar minnow]

All that just to make traveling bearable. I haven’t even gotten past rank 2 on my covenant sanctum upgrades

[grim canyon]

I was able to fly in the zone, do you mean theres an invisible wall preventing it

[strange falcon]

But y tho,rank 3 travel is first thing i did once i saw "includes portal to oribos in your cov hub"

Plus with the anima buffs it should be ez now even if you only do raid and 0 wqs

[dense plover]

Yes

You can’t actually explore the zone outside of the instance

[sacred oriole]

Question: How do we go from fighting immortal beings from the very realm of Death itself where the entire cosmos is in danger, to going back to Azeroth and fighting some dragons on an island?

[strange falcon]

the same way we went from legion to bfa

😂

[sacred oriole]

I feel like we've gone too high up in the scale of the events happening to go back to killing murlocs and nagas

[uncut vault]

The simple answer, we’re empowered by extra anima that isn’t necessarily our own right now, and have access to our own where we usually do not in reality

[strange falcon]

porter with the big brain answer not even the wow writers came up with

[sacred oriole]

would you call the empowerment "Borrowed Power"?

[unborn glacier]

@tulip sun chromie stuff?

[tropic trail]

This actually answers some questions i had long ago

[strange falcon]

so,chromie's full name is ||chronormu|| so instead of retconning that,they just said ||oh chromie took female shape because he/she trans||

i think is their reasoning

[spice cargo]

Has anyone tried Tazavesh?

[tropic trail]

Because the mice will get up to trouble while the cats are away

Doi

[sacred oriole]

Arent we gonna absolutely steamroll the mice, since we defeated threats much greater than them

[tropic trail]

Well, we're defeating those threats because they don't know how to deal with us + we have help

Things back on Azeroth know what to expect from us

Getting stabbed 50 times with small knives is just as effective as getting chopped once with a claymore

We've still got the Scarlet Crusade, the Twilight's Hammer, and numerous other things that while they won't unmake reality they'll still do other horrible threatening shit

[austere gazelle]

Jailer made a mess => next expansion could be the aftermarth, fixing stuff he brokes, tinkering slowly each of the cosmos forces to fix them, doing what the first one essentially did before

[tropic trail]

Breaking the cycle of life and death is worse, but that doesn't make an army wanting to burn down your homeland not bad

[solar temple]

That's been the last few xpacs lol. Just cleaning up the previous xpacs stuff

[austere gazelle]

on azeroth, mainly, but I'm talking about going into the cosmos' plane and repair what is broken

[sacred oriole]

i see your point at the end there, but it still feels odd to fall back down to killing plain old scarlet zealots after fighting a "titan++" threat as Ion put it

[tropic trail]

It felt odd to go from dealing with the Lich King to dealing with some cranky dragon throwing a nihilistic tantrum

🤷

[solar temple]

I mean, last xpac=fighting old gods, prepatch=fighting ghouls

[tropic trail]

And before fighting Old Gods we were fighting each other, and before that we were fighting demons, and before that we were fighting hypotheticals made real, and before that we were fighting a militant regime after fighting things that wouldn't have a reason to fight anything if we weren't there fighting...

I could go on

Just because you have a big threat and a smaller threat doesn't mean that the smaller threat isn't a threat

[pulsar minnow]

It’s definitely weird. It actually gets even worse in 9.1 since out of nowhere we discover that there’s a prophecy about the player character.

[strange falcon]

prophecy pogchampion

[pulsar minnow]

I just groaned the moment I went through that part in the story. I don’t mind being called Champion. That’s cool. But “Chosen One, savior of Creation” (who still dies to a few too many boars pulled) is just… dumb. I hope they change it up in 9.3 and just say the prophecy was about an Army from a World Soul rose up to save the Shadowlands.. or something.

[sacred oriole]

oh how wonderful, we really are the Chosen One, all 5 million of us

Now if i was a zone enemy in 10.0, just chilling on my island and i heard the Chosen One, Champion, Leader of whatever class, High Warlord,Maw Walker, the slayer of Old Gods, evil dragons, demon lords, and killer of a titan++ guy named the Jailer, was coming to MY island, i would just run away and never come back

[strange falcon]

thats not game logic tho

[sacred oriole]

while thats true, it wouldnt hurt to have at least one enemy see us and flee on sight

[solar temple]

the fallen kyrians owlkin do

[strange falcon]

literally 90% of enemies in vanilla and classic do,tho not on sight

[mossy meteor]

@grim canyon so this is why they added [DNT][DEPRECATED]

[haughty hound]

DNT - PH - 9.1 Raid Bow 2 (Sylvanas) - https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186414/dnt-ph-9-1-raid-bow-2-sylvanas - PTR 9.1.0

DNT - PH - 9.1 Raid Bow 2 (Sylvanas)

PTR 9.1.0

DEPRECATED - https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=34688/deprecated - PTR 9.1.0

DEPRECATED

PTR 9.1.0

[mossy meteor]

go away bad bot

[strange falcon]

from what i know, Deprecated means "there is a new version of this"

NYI is not yet implemented

PH is placeholder

DNT is probably do not touch or similar lol

[mossy meteor]

well yes

we know

but we were wondering why it was still in game

[strange falcon]

probably havent thought of a name for it

[crude sigil]

Is there new (alchemy) flask in 9.1 ?

[unborn glacier]

No

[crude sigil]

no new herbs too ?

[grim canyon]

I also have adopted the use of DNT in my own addon's codebase, since in my eyes it does represent Do not touch
[DEPRECATED] depends on the ctx the code is used in, and can mean it's using a deprecated method or is placeholder text, which it would be the latter since I have yet to see a single function on the ui end at least that returns [DEPRECATED]

[haughty hound]

DEPRECATED - https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=34688/deprecated - PTR 9.1.0

DEPRECATED

PTR 9.1.0

[unborn glacier]

Nope

[crude sigil]

ok 😉

[dense plover]

DNT is do not translate which usually means the text is specifically for the coders and devs and will be removed

When it ends up on dialogue or quest text, it either means the quest/dialogue will be removed or that it’s not done

Vs deprecated being straight up - delete this

[silent urchin]

DNT doesn't necessarily mean it will be removed, it's also on internal stuff like all the tracking spells and hidden effects that aren't displayed on the client

[mossy meteor]

like the raid gear

[dense plover]

i sorta said that in my first sentence

i said it gets removed when its on quest text or dialogue USUALLY

[bitter stone]

Are rank 5/6 legendary upgrades only gonna cost Soul Cinders or are they also gonna require new base items? None of my chars can craft rank 4, so can't check on PTR.

[cunning fossil]

Just Cinders

[dense plover]

Well, maybe

There are items that say they are used for upgrading legendaries

But they have no use yet

[grim canyon]

Realistically also, as the item names are in a database, DNT is likely the default text for this data, so it just means they put in the items from a template to start off with, then modified it from there. It'll get names and proper ids before going live for sure

It's the same thing for SOD raid in 9.1 as well, as it isn't on the InstanceTable yet

[unborn glacier]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/torghast-drops-season-2-conduit-upgrades-and-socket-items-in-patch-9-1-322330

Good changes to Torghast

[pulsar minnow]

agreed

actually adds a replayable incentive to Torghast

[unborn glacier]

Mhmm

[cunning fossil]

Inb4 "Waaaaaahhh Torghast Mandatory"

[uncut vault]

Honestly I like that, torghast having a mix of cosmetic and clear, meaningful progression items is a good move

currency used as a piece of crafting something made it felt more like just grinding for a reagent, which it basically was

[strange falcon]

Definitely cant wait for this ^

"REEEE BOREGHAST SUCKS BLIZZ IS FORCIN ME TO DO IT,TO BE COMPETITIVE REEE CHOREGHAST"

When you can literally just farm the rep if you hate it that much

[cunning fossil]

It's already happening lmao

[strange falcon]

😂

[cunning fossil]

I love wow players man

We can complain about anything. Even things we ask for

[strange falcon]

Wowhead comments never change either, was checking out the shard sockets from raid post

[tulip sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/comments/nbzdx9/spoiler_new_young_uther_short_story_on_folk_fairy/

[strange falcon]

Usually what happens is, that the community is too vast and varied,so one side complains,the other is satisfied, then you give the complainers what they want, and they're satisfied, but the people that werent complaining before, do complain now

[cunning fossil]

Sounds about rigut

And then u have hypocrits

[unborn glacier]

@cunning fossil I feel like you are exaggerating. I've been constantly looking at the comments under the article and the majority seems to be positive about the changes. The only issue they have is with the unique tag on the items.

[cunning fossil]

Ehhhh I know it's not all. But I HAVE seen many comments.
Also, that's just on wow head. Bet your ass there are people other foruns

Raging about it.

[tropic trail]

So

What happens in 9.1

Spoil me

[mossy meteor]

nothing

[bitter plaza]

it will be the same as 9.0

nothing happens, it was all a prank from blizz

[solar temple]

Azeroth shatters, outland becomes joint with draenor, pandaria grows and the murlocs rule all of wow

[bitter plaza]

or, that

[thick saddle]

Forgot to add, Sargeras's sword becomes the new capitol of the Allorde! (joint Alliance-Horde faction)

[vocal flint]

imagine actually removing the sword... cuz you know its literally the first step on healing any wound cough

[solar temple]

Yea, or you can just push it all the way through

[vocal flint]

CHAMPIEN WE MUST GET ALL THE BLOOD BACK IN THAR

[pulsar minnow]

“Sup y’all, it’s me, it’s ya Boi Arthas Menethil. Im sure you’re wondering about how I got into this situation. It all started back when some townsfolk ate some nasty grain.”

People are going to be so mad once they realize Arthas is literally just a sword now

[solar temple]

Dude

Id

Be

Pissed

[pulsar minnow]

I’m sure they’re going to break him out of his sword prison, but if they don’t it’d be the funniest end to his character. Literally just becomes a sword and dies

[strange falcon]

Saurfang became a trinket

That players can use

[solar temple]

But his death was awesome

[strange falcon]

I know most ppl think arthas was awesome and his death was remembered,and his music theme is iconic and his mount is sought after,
So he checks more boxes than saurfang

[strange falcon]

But yet

[solar temple]

Tru

[tropic trail]

Arthok Menefang

[solar temple]

No

[tropic trail]

Yes

[solar temple]

What have you done

[tropic trail]

Sauras Saurthil

I cant do it

I'm going back to the jungle

Varthas Saurthil

[pulsar minnow]

Saurnormu

[tropic trail]

Where's @unborn glacier i want her to yell at me for this

[solar temple]

Arthuin Wrynethil

[pulsar minnow]

Sylvenn Windmane

[tropic trail]

Magrande Bronzewind

No, there is only Magni

[pulsar minnow]

Tyranas Saurrunner

[unborn glacier]

[tropic trail]

Yesterday someone blocked me for calling Magni "Papa Diamond Daddy"

[unborn glacier]

XD

[tropic trail]

Which is ridiculous because he's a literary made of diamond, is a dad, AND a grandpa

[solar temple]

I mean it sounds like you deserved it lol, papa diamond daddy is a crime by itself

[unborn glacier]

I got blocked and called a Nazi for saying I like Sylvanas.

[tropic trail]

Same, but for mentioning the positive things Garrosh did

[solar temple]

I wouldn't say Nazi, just insane

[tropic trail]

And I hate the bastard for killing Cairne

[unborn glacier]

Ppl need to chill the fuck out XD

[unborn glacier]

Eh...

[solar temple]

Best horde leader

[vernal tartan]

pretty ugly sword at that 😦

[unborn glacier]

You realize Garrosh despises the way Cairne died?

[tropic trail]

Well yeah ofc

Magatha a ho

[unborn glacier]

Yee

Cairne was winning but a lucky blow from Garrosh was all it took cus of a crazy cow

[tropic trail]

We need a story/setting channel where we can just BS about lore

Cairne's Reincarnation is still just on cooldown, guys 😭

[solar temple]

Waiting for someone to rez him lol

Why can we rez players but not NPC's?

[unborn glacier]

In the lore, resurrection is actually extremely rare and requires serious power

It exists for us players as simply a game mechanic

[tropic trail]

Well yeah, I was more referring to his WC3 abilities tho

[unborn glacier]

I was replying to Glyph

[tropic trail]

I'm gumball

[unborn glacier]

@tropic trail

[strange falcon]

Plot armor

[solar temple]

Hi gumball I'm glyph

[strange falcon]

That will be explained as "we're tied to azeroth"

[solar temple]

Nice to meet you

[unborn glacier]

Hai Glyph and Gumball, I'm Baifeng

[solar temple]

Hi Baifeng, nice to meet you

[unborn glacier]

I'm your new Panda Overlord

[solar temple]

Uh oh

[unborn glacier]

[solar temple]

What happened to the old one?

[unborn glacier]

[unborn glacier]

He die

[solar temple]

Rip in peace

[tropic trail]

Baifeng ate him

[solar temple]

Noooooo

[unborn glacier]

Nuuu

He die of bad brew

[strange falcon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/art-lead-glenn-rane-leaves-blizzard-entertainment-to-co-found-lightforged-games-322324 👀

[tropic trail]

I'm expecting the doomers to come out in droves in the comments

[pulsar minnow]

It kinda sucks to see them leave

But honestly I wouldn’t expect anyone to work at the same company for their entire lives

[strange falcon]

Tho all these people leaving 🤔
This explanation was fine,but im thinking they're being creatively chained and thus ppl are leaving because they dont like that

[pulsar minnow]

I agree with that too. The culture of the business looks like it’s been changing, and if all your best friends, who are the reason why you love working there, are leaving, I wouldn’t blame you for leaving too

[thick saddle]

So, that makes about a dozen former Blizzard who now joined the same company formed by another former Blizzard member?

[strange falcon]

We know just the big names not the nobody devs that arent known

[thick saddle]

Hate to be "doom and gloomy" about things but... all these devs leaving, in a rather short amount of time, isn't good.

[strange falcon]

We've seen it with every single company that exists,you either go bankrupt or go full corporate and finance guys that have 0 idea what even a videogame is take over full control

Every single company

[thick saddle]

In other words... it was long overdue that this would happen to Blizzard as well

[strange falcon]

Already happened in 2008,it was a slow burn in blizzards case

Devs just got a way out now with all the new studios

[tropic trail]

Their friends they've worked with for years are starting these companies. What should they do? Leave and join over the course of years? Like come on man

[thick saddle]

Coincidentally maybe, but around 2008/2009 was when Blizzard were at their peak, numerically speaking as well (WotLK)

[strange falcon]

2008 was the merger with Activision

It was mid wrath not before it

After the merger is also when we got store mounts

Coincidentally

Morhaime heavily implied he stepped down because he lost control of the company and kotick took over too much influence

[thick saddle]

Not saying that at all. But it's not good (for Blizzard) if several devs in key positions, all leave at or around the same time. I'm sure it's great for the guys who left to join another company... and for all we know, maybe they end up coming up with something better than the game we've all known and loved.

[thick saddle]

As per usual... when corporate moneybags rule, the lower echelon people will suffer. And we as the customers (technically even lower echelon than the regular devs), suffer even further.

[tropic trail]

People have also been complaining that content is just getting rehashed constantly. There's nothing wrong with change--but diving onto the speculation train about a future that hasn't happened yet is kinda irresponsible

[silent urchin]

blizzard has several hundred developers

[thick saddle]

I'm not a news guy, I am free to speculate as I choose to without any responsibility to anyone.

[silent urchin]

half a dozen leaving in a year isn't exactly a surprise (it's likely way more we just don't hear about most of them)

[strange falcon]

Take it with the latest example,
Cdprojekt, tiny group of developers that had no idea how to make game,
They got a smash hit with witcher 3 because of the quality, and started being a publically traded company,huge mistake,
And you've seen the cyberpunk fiasco,
Even the founder fully blamed that the higher ups were at fault for cyberpunk being shit and rushed out

[thick saddle]

Well, at least 800 fewer devs after Activision canned them about a year ago... so there's that.

[tropic trail]

And these dudes have been at the company for decades in many cases. There's nothing wrong with pursuing other career opportunities--especially with other people they've worked with over those years

[strange falcon]

We have decades on decades of companies,games and movies going the EXACT SAME PATH,

[thick saddle]

Again... not saying it's anything wrong that these devs chose to leave and join a different company. It's great for them. Bad for Blizzard, and us as customers.

[strange falcon]

Doesnt take a genius to know whats happening

[tropic trail]

They made games before TW3 tho so it's not like they were new to game design when they came out with a hit

[strange falcon]

Its very easily stated in interviews that when they made witcher 1 they had no idea how to make a game

Was my meaning there

[tropic trail]

Yeah--and both devs and producers are seeing what happens when content gets rushed. They see how their profits take a dive

[strange falcon]

We have 40+ years of history, in 99% of cases "short term profit" is chosen

They know what happens when game is rushed out and they dont give a shit because people still buy it

[tropic trail]

🤷

[grim canyon]

I'd say it's kinda inevitable for something to eventually overshadow Wow. Whether that's AOC or some other game, it's uncertain, but it's a matter of when, not if.

[thick saddle]

Exactly. Many have tried to kill WoW over the years, to varying degrees of success. But eventually something will.

[grim canyon]

This is precisely the reasoning Classic never got rebased to the SL engine, and is gonna fall into unmaintainment after TBC Classic

[tropic trail]

But people have been saying that for almost two decades now sooo

[grim canyon]

What's going on now with people leaving is the continuation of a snowball effect that began in 2008, it's just a much slower slope to fall down

[thick saddle]

It's naive to believe that WoW will never be replaced by "something else". Eventually it will.

[cunning fossil]

Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't happen Gumball

[tropic trail]

All the times people are just like "Shoogleforce Fantasy 7 Online, next WoW killer you guys!!!"

[strange falcon]

Teamspeak got complacent even though it was the king with most of the marketshare,then discord came with "you dont have to pay for servers"
And teamspeak got shot in the back of the head

[cunning fossil]

And there are quite a few MMO coming in the decade that WoW should be looking at

AOC, The Nrw Riot MMO led by GHOSTCRAWLER

[tropic trail]

Well duh, I'm just using your own argument of overbloated instances in short term time

[cunning fossil]

And a few others are noteworthy challengers

[tropic trail]

16 years is both long and relatively brief as far as gaming history goes

[grim canyon]

Exactly, it may not be a game released this year, but no single game has the capacity to stay alive forever

[strange falcon]

Riot is owned by tencent,best known for its 3000 gacha mobile games and also from china,i dont trust anything from them,

[cunning fossil]

Looking at riot from their products standpoint, they're looking pretty good

[grim canyon]

True, though at one point people were considering abandoning Discord while those MSFT deals were in talks, so it does apply to software as well

Eventually discord too is gonna fall out of favor if something better comes around

[tropic trail]

Like I'm not saying WoW isn't old or gonna be gone eventually but hell everything will be gone eventually and everyone dies and nations fall etc etc

[strange falcon]

Those failed because they were too stuck with "wow killer" that they forgot to make a good game

[grim canyon]

^^ Exactly this, the game that will overshadow wow is one that can hold on to the passion that inspired their own idea, ignoring the comparisons to WoW to make something better

[thick saddle]

New World for example, seems like a worthy MMO. And it's "not a WoW killer"

[strange falcon]

I know a lot of people are complaining about the completely unneeded,nobodyaskedfor and objectively worse redesign

Discord is goin through

With teamspeak5 being a thing soon there might be a round 2

[grim canyon]

The issue I see with New World atm, which is what a lot of people seen, was that whole "talking about a shop before the game is even released" type of thing

[strange falcon]

New world got a paytowinshop announced,literally 2 days ago

[grim canyon]

Which atm is putting it majorly out of favor very quickly, and shooting itself in the foot

[thick saddle]

Paytowin? News to me. Source?

[cunning fossil]

Oh yeah. Because of Amazon

[grim canyon]

Look it on youtube, a lot of people broke NDA to leak it out

[strange falcon]

You expected a non greedy game from amazon,the same company that made 4 games and 3 were cancelled

[tropic trail]

Well, hype trains and speculative hiveminds can kill games before they even launch

[strange falcon]

https://youtu.be/L5879kOeT_w @thick saddle

[thick saddle]

Thanks

[cunning fossil]

New World is an Amazon Cash grab. Or at least that's what they're trying.
Which sucks for the devs. Fuck bezos For real

[grim canyon]

It wasn't so much this, but the fact that they tried to hide the cash shop to alpha testers to limit feedback

[cunning fossil]

It looks good too which is a dissapointmeny

[grim canyon]

Which lead to an en masse outrage that leaked it out

[strange falcon]

Amazon tried 4 cashgrabs,3 failed because its amazon not a game dev studio

[cunning fossil]

Well yeah. I half knew and expected those

It's Amazon. They're trying to make extra money for minimal effort

[strange falcon]

Lord of the rings MMO,cancelled because they had a disagreement with china company,
Crucible,failed so hard it went back to beta then cancelled

[tropic trail]

I'm speaking in general. Recent examples--Anthem was better on launch than it was when the open beta came out but everyone hates on the beta so it died due to bad press. No Man's Sky is also an amazingly beautiful and in-depth game now but on launch/open beta reviews it got trashed

[grim canyon]

It's kinda like "I'm not upset with you, I'm just disappointed" kind of thing, even more so bringing it up before the game's even had a chance to grow/mature

[strange falcon]

I forgot the third

[strange falcon]

The only thing anthem had going for it,was the flying mechanic

Everything else was bad gunplay,boring content,0 endgame

And biowares behavior with it,like patching loot to drop less after a bug and such

Was even worse

[cunning fossil]

Yeah that's Anthem

[tropic trail]

Which were all recovery methods to try and hang on after everyone trashed the beta and nobody bought the game on launch

[strange falcon]

Not to say,they had 6 years to work on it,but since management ar EA is so dogshit they had revolving door creative director and EA FORCED THEM to use frostbite engine, but refused to help their devs use it because they were too busy with fifa
Meant that instead of 6 years

They had 18months at best

Of devtime

[tropic trail]

Early access is shitty for games because of hype and review culture

[strange falcon]

That doesnt mean anything either,you can see if a game is objectively good or not especially if you had no hype towards it

[cunning fossil]

How can you be busy with Fifa? You just slap a new number and add another player in there and you're good for a year

[strange falcon]

And what they showed in the trailers was miles and miles above what we got

Like so much its almost false advertising

[cunning fossil]

It was an EA supported game.
And they got the wrong team for the wrong job

[strange falcon]

You show all that at conventions and then you get the beta and its graphics massively downgraded,gunplay is shit,environments are flat,no dynamic events like they advertised in the trailer,no bioware dialogue like advertised

You cannot say the beta was trashed for no reason

The launch game wasnt much better either,they were so lazy,they forgot to take off christmas decorations until easter ingame

Not even joking

[cunning fossil]

I thought that was Christmas footage people were using

Lmao

They gave up on the game at launch

Like 100%

[strange falcon]

If EA doesnt seem like boogeymam yet,and you dont know the pages long list of studios THEY KILLED,
Let me tell you that the new dragonage was supposed to be a ALWAYS ONLINE LIVE SERVICE,before they saw some huge game i forgot,have a huge flop,and decided to make it singleplayer, LIKE THE DEVS FUCKING INITIALLY STARTED WORK FOR, BEFORE EA CAME IN AND FORCED THEM TO THROW THEIR WORK IN THE TRASHCAN

[cunning fossil]

EA knows that live service games are the easiest way to get Whales hooked on the game

They know and they exploit and so every game is gonna be a Live Service game that has booster packs and shit for the purchasing price of the game and SHITTY dlcs every year until they launch the same game but differentlt.

[strange falcon]

The avengers game is the latest live service failure that proves you cannot sell a game on name alone

Yet they keep trying again and again and again

[solar temple]

Kinda annoying lol. They won't make a decent quality marvel game besides spiderman

[tropic trail]

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that beta is not live

[strange falcon]

Fair argument, that falls apart when you compare what actually released as the finished product

Which wasnt much better

[tropic trail]

When are showcase demos not dramatically better than release

[solar temple]

Diablo eternal

[strange falcon]

Saying "everyone does it" is in no way an excuse for scummy practices

[tropic trail]

I'm not excusing them, but acting as if they don't happen and should be unexpected is silly

[strange falcon]

Again,whole argument goes out the window when you see the launch state the game was in

[tropic trail]

No argument. Commentary

[pulsar minnow]

New Battle.net icons

Covenant themed

Moonberry, a Steward, and the covenant logos

[strange falcon]

we already had the 4 covenant rulers im p sure

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1393219552847319048

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Chains of Domination. I think I finally understand it. https://t.co/BbaDjzZKn3

Twitter · May 14, 2021, 3:00 PM

basically the chains from torghast go all the way to oribos is what he's saying

[pulsar minnow]

Im just imagining the Jailer jogging his way there while all the Mawsworn Kyrian cheer him on as "Gonna Fly Now" from Rocky plays.

[blazing bone]

Any mythic raid test groups that have a spot for a ret dps 9/10 mythic.

[cunning fossil]

Kek

[dense plover]

Best place to look is ingame - not here

[grim canyon]

So....I found something

There's an invisible floor under the raid portal

Was trying to jump onto the chain, missed and hit the invisible floor

[strange falcon]

🤔

[grim canyon]

Trying to see how far I can go, so far the floor goes past the chain zone

I also see this

Which isnt part of the 2d model

Got my answer, insta-kill zone past the last chain

[young latch]

I'd appreciate one for all of the playable races in the game. :B

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but Steward>Everything else

sorry

[young latch]

they are very cute but cover the basics pls