looks like a lot of torghast assets added
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
dense plover
makes sense
gotta make the new areas look different
and gotta make the new 2 floor capstone look cool
no music yet
tons of ogg files
lots of empty voice files are no longer empty
so far im finding ones for the odyn storyline stuff in the maw
seems like a majority of the new campaign should be voiced now
crisp steeple
whats ogg?
dense plover
type of sound file
handles compression better than an mp3
looks like the campaign chapters were either renamed or removed
adventure journal is updated
silent urchin
Servers are up btw
dense plover
bunch of new torghast achievements related to beating layer 12 and unlocking the new research stuff
Achieve a Flawless run on layer 12 in each wing of Torghast, Tower of the Damned. Flawless Master Mount Reward: Mawsworn Charger
new mount from beating every wing on layer 12
"Discover the hidden treasures of Korthia and Desmotaeron. Treasures of Korthia "
silent urchin
campaign chapters are merged into the original campaign, it seems? Night fae is now 18 steps for me
dense plover
looks like treasure will be in the new zone/area now
silent urchin
there already was some but it mostly didn't work
there's a weekly quest for Tormentor of Torghast
dense plover
looks like there will be nathrezim in torghast
"9.1 Torghast - Kill All Dreadlords"
uncut vault
there already are in the adamant vaults, they hide as basic enemies
silent urchin
Initially they're named/look like a regular enemy, but they're elite and/or rare
when you engage they turn into dreadlord
dense plover
it missed the first one
first wing is "The Jailer's Vanguard"
shit ton of changes to renown rewards
at least in the db2s
silent urchin
renown still isn't active in game, it seems
crisp steeple
oh cool
think the quiver back will be a quiver for non-hunters too?
would be a bit weird
uncut vault
well it does still have stats, just the effect only works for hunters
but based on the journal, it will only drop for hunters
only shows up in her loot pool when you have hunter toggled
crisp steeple
ah
tiny stream
PTR Update just began
tiny stream
Lol. It doesn't even drop 195 gear
silent urchin
Doesn't really seem to be much new open
unborn glacier
XD
tiny stream
Oh, wait Nathria also drops 213 loot? Oh, I thought it would stay the same and future raids would drop higher and higher loot.
mossy meteor
That's heroic nathria
Keep in mind that most people that do lfr won't do nathria
At all
tiny stream
So LFR Nathria drops 213 loot now? (in 9.1)
mossy meteor
Most catchup gear starts at ~200
No
Learn to read
Heroic nathria will drop 213 even in the next expansion (unless they do a squish)
silent urchin
oof, they put in the season maximum for tower knowledge
tiny stream
My question is Why is LFR Nathria requiring 195 loot when it drops 187 loot?
mossy meteor
oof, they put in the season maximum for tower knowledge
That was jn tje last build
mossy meteor
My question is Why is LFR Nathria requiring 195 loot when it drops 187 loot?
Who even mentioned nathria
tiny stream
MrPeach just did
tiny stream
Oh. I thought it was for Nathria
It wasn't clear where his mouse was, so I assumed it was Nathria.
mossy meteor
@wise peak flagged peach for spam, he's unable to speak until we resolve this issue
Bad bot
unborn glacier
It wasn't clear where his mouse was, so I assumed it was Nathria.
Why, we're in the ptr chat. Obviously we are talking about 9.1 content
tiny stream
Yeah, but I was being dumb and assumed from the image that the Nathria requirements had changed
By the way, I think the only thing this week is the class changes, PVP changes, and some new Dailies.
unborn glacier
<@168274283414421504> flagged peach for spam, he's unable to speak until we reso...
<@&299347348847329281> can we get @dense plover unmuted?
tropic trail
the only thing im interested about 👀
west relic
We are aware of this. Check #premium-only
dense plover
unborn glacier
the only thing im interested about 👀
Ooooh, so her bow is Leggo quality?
dense plover
this is how you find out about the box
first wing i ran
also i only have 1 torment but its layer 6
might be b/c no box?
tropic trail
Ooooh, so her bow is Leggo quality?
i see it like that on the appearence section of bows but not the adventure guide but i really really hope so
unborn glacier
It's been a really long time since Blizz had class specific leggos dropping from a boss ala Illidan in BT/kiljaedin SWP.
tropic trail
i find interesting that the mythics 0 drop 210 gear
tiny stream
Are Mythic 0s being scaled higher?
mossy meteor
yes all dungeons are
dense plover
just doing a wing and a normal enemy was a dreadlord
tiny stream
I mean 210 gear then makes sense because on 9.0 it's 184 for +0 and 187 for LFR
COOL!
dense plover
uncut vault
they matched the elite set to the bow, looks like Im PvPing this patch 😛
dense plover
streak bar freezes on shop floors
vestal wing
inb4 they cancel it last minute
dense plover
is this a new memory or an existing one?
silent urchin
I think existing but maybe modified
The score definitely seems easier
I just trivially got a flawless layer 12
the shoplifter "Blessing" is fucking terrible though
dense plover
silent urchin
makes the brokers hostile but give "rewards"
dense plover
silent urchin
you get like 4 random armaments, and a few random consumables
dense plover
this power is new and is amazing
silent urchin
it's actually awful with the current implementation
because it clears your targeting
dense plover
adamant vaults is now layer 9 or above
silent urchin
I kept missing fear interupts because of it
dense plover
not sure this was datamined or not
this is definitely new and i assume only works once per run?
silent urchin
I think so
can't get enough experience for it right now
I assume the ranks add 10/20/30 drop it
haughty houndBOT
Stable Phantasma Lure - https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=339351/stable-phantasma-lure - PTR 9.1.0
mossy meteor
[Puzzling cryptogram]
haughty houndBOT
Puzzling Cryptogram - https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=180803/puzzling-cryptogram - PTR 9.1.0
mossy meteor
oh neat
dense plover
also not new
mossy meteor
yeah
dense plover
but theres a lot of maw lore
mossy meteor
it dropped from random maws in the assaults
dense plover
pretty much the source of all maw lore
dense plover
i think it drops in the zone - if ardenweald hostiles suddenly started spawning in the maw, it would drop from them too
mossy meteor
god i just love this guy
oh
oops
i got oneshot while trying to get to the spear
interesting
crashed while turning in the maw lore
jade basalt
@dense plover Assuming they meant every 10th enemy?
Or is it literally the 10th enemy?
dense plover
hopefully?
for a near endgame tower talent, if its only once, its trash
i assume its every 10th
and then the upgrades are probably 9th and 8th
if its every, its VERY powerful and will make runs much easier
jade basalt
Might argue every 10th may also be a bit much but yeah if it's "the" 10th it feels rather arbitrary (why 10th exactly?) and underwhelming
dense plover
oh yeah
thats - very frequent
probably should be 16 -> 14 -> 12
depends on the cost per level i guess
jade basalt
Ah Rakrath says it's only the 10th, 2/3 is the 10th and the 20th, and 3/3 is 10th, 20th and 30th enemy
dense plover
ah
thats still terrible
like, 3 extra cells per run is kinda shit
especially that late in the tree
if they were guaranteed to be uncommon or higher rarity, it might be decent
but 3 extra cells at max level tree is sorta pointless
silent urchin
every 10th would be insanely powerful
3 extra cells near the start of the run isn't bad
assuming you don't get the trap floor and then one of the emptyish floors
silent urchin
I saw that, no sign of Maelie so far
the quest on Mynx seems to block accessing the faction vendor
I wanted to see if there was anything new, but no
harsh wedge
Wouldn't that be "grateful" intead of "greatful" ?
mossy meteor
found a way to upgrade maw touched gear
slightly higher than normal raid drops from KT/sylvanas
crisp steeple
whats that currency?
dense plover
unknown
something with vault of secrets that im pretty sure still isnt implemented
its related to those maw rifts as well
past ginkgo
mossy meteor
i datamined some broadcast text
Obviously, or I would not be here helping you now. <The Stonewright arches a brow.> I suppose you wish to know how I ended up in Revendreth?
After I was granted Elune's dark gift, I fed my rage with my losses and then with my victories. I protected my people. I killed the ones who harmed us. Then their allies. Then ones who hadn't stopped our enemies, or who stood by. Then the ones I thought hadn't acted quickly enough. And so on... I erased whole societies from the world, and left nothing but ruins in my wake. After all, if nothing was left to harm us, we couldn't be hurt.
In the end, the only thing left that threatened my people, was me. I was killed by a friend who too wished to protect our people. Only in Revendreth after much... contemplation, did I come to understand the depth of my wrath and the gravity of my sins. I learned from my experience how to help others with others with their own.
I had hoped our brethren had returned to us for the right reasons.$b$bI never could have imagined the depth of their betrayal not only of Revendreth, but of the Shadowlands and all of reality.
For a time. When we combined the power of the medallions into the crown I wove in safeguards to ensure no one person could wear the crown alone by themselves for too long. And should the other Harvesters will it, medallions or no, they could reclaim their power from the crown with ancient words they are entrusted with. What we have forged together will only remain strong as long as we continue to work together.
Much to do with little time. For now we shall fortify what we have taken. This may include everything from instilling safeguards against future infiltration by nathrezim to instituting realm-wide edicts regarding anima usage. We must rally support across all of Revendreth for this cause. For now, continue to wage your war against the Jailer. We will levy what resources we can for that effort.
Undoubtedly, though it will take time and the right... candidates. I believe that is the correct word. We have never formally inducted a new Harvester. They were always appointed by Denathrius, the individual often groomed for decades before assuming the role. We shall begin our search of souls and venthyr who have the adequate skill sets and acumen. Those who share our values and have the power to back it up. There are many I can think of who might suffice. Take young Kael'thas, for instance. Were he further along in his penance, I might consider him...
tiny stream
Does anyone else find it weird that Nathanos has been missing since the pre-patch?
cunning fossil
No fuck him 😉
uncut vault
theyre likely saving him for post-9.1, if Sylvanas survives. he'd likely play a much more sensible role in a post-raid Sylvanas story
jade basalt
He really shouldn't get any role, just an appearance or a (second) death.
uncut vault
I mean hes kinda important to Sylvanas 😛
and despite the loud outcry, people do like him
jade basalt
Oh for me it's not about liking him or not, it's just that, while it made sense for a Forsaken like him to show up on Darkshore to kill some random night elves, I don't know how much sense it would make for him to represent any kind of opposition (or to be a savior figure to Sylvanas or literally anything else remotely important) when we're talking about a cosmic fight between Maw Walkers/Thrall/Jaina/Bolvar and the full might of all the Covenants raiding Zovaal's face (or Sylvanas, who's also pretty powerful).
Of course he could get a power boost, maybe a blessing from the Jailer? Whichwould justify his abilities to stand up to us or put a stick in our wheel. But if not then he's just some Forsaken. Tyrande already instagibbed him so it'd be weird if now he was a threat again.
uncut vault
I dont really mean him appearing as a threat, just as a character, albeit a dead one
terse patrol
My guess is
When Sylvanas turns on the Jailer, she'll find the Jailer has Nathanos' soul hostage.
Which would explain why we haven't see him.
keen anchor
i got one, you can read all about how i spit on certain ppl online all the time, like that dweeb in bastion who won't bring me to elysian hold. he's a npc though..
austere gazelle
I'd laugh if sylvanas stop us and when the jailer got his sigil he'll be " yeah I'll totally do that which is not what I told you Sylvanas " evil laugh and she does something that'll make him retreat or flee to Azeroth
proper palm
Sylvanas Die and nothing more
unborn glacier
Sylvanas Die and nothing more
Pfffft
proper palm
She don’t deserve more
Annoying character 😅
tribal sand
did they change the torghast scoring system? they made some achievements for flawless runs; but no score board anymore at the end of the run
Tower knowledge seem to be locked on a certain amount per season
maybe it gets increased every week like Conquest and valor points
at least i got my full talen tree 😄
silent urchin
there should still be a scoreboard but the UI is still weird and either doesn't show or disappears instantly a lot of the time
tribal sand
did 2 runs and there was no scoreboard
but yeah it usually disappears very fast
unborn glacier
She don’t deserve more
Annoying character 😅
Yes she does 
light compass
So the stonewright was able to purge entire civilasations..tyrande wasn't...
Oh well, blizz show, don't tell, show us the nightwarrior!!!
jade basalt
It takes time for the power of the Night Warrior to ramp up, in comparison Tyrande is still a baby Night Warrior.
grim canyon
From my perspective, it increases alongside Tyrandes rage. As her rage increases, itll only draw in more power of the Night Warrior.
Noting that, its a no brainer that its a destructive cycle thatll only keep progressing (Didnt wanna say get worse as this isnt necesarily a disease) until otherwise dealt with one way or another.
austere gazelle
It's the void power of Elune that is fueled by the rage and the death around, the more you kill, the more it's demanding, the more it expand, and eats you from inside
terse patrol
Wouldn’t be surprised if Elune was a Life pantheon entity that felt the only way to preserve existence was to ascend to godhood and become a being of both light and void to create balance.
Makes sense if she made the Naaru, since they are dualistic beings of Light and Void.
uncut vault
Tyrande as a person also had restraint, I think is the important thing. She absolutely had rage, rage that the night warrior fueled, but so far it’s been pretty singularly focused on Sylvanas (and Nathanos)
She hasn’t gotten to that stage two of destroying those who aided her
urban spire
uhm
has anyone mentioned that this
looks a lot like the picture of zovaals new form?
like identical actually
if so I apologize
but I think that's part of the cinematic at the end of sanctum of domination
video is set to the time
uncut vault
been talked about for a good while, yes. Theyve confirmed that the model in that trailer was just a placeholder shadow modeled off of concept art, and that they finalized his design into what we see now later
a lot of the design elements from that original one have been incorporated into the Primus
terse patrol
@uncut vault Could be the case, 100%. But I still won't write off the Jailer getting a new model if he takes that orb from the Arbiter.
uncut vault
new model, I probably expect, just not based on the concept art
at most he'll get the shoulders
but the whole chains and the like arent really his "true form" going off of lore context clues
domination and chains arent what he was about prior to being locked away
terse patrol
My thought is, his "imprisoned" form is based off IRL prison stereotypes. Shaved head/face and such.
His freed form might get rid of that.
His look has been fairly criticized, because it's pretty dorky looking.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they use the chance to give him a new model.
unborn glacier
I mean, there is an encrypted new model for him
grim canyon
It's very likely Zorvall gets a new form, can't see 9.2 ending without that model change happening (Heck if anything, it may happen in 9.1s ending)
sleek cloud
yo guys, why did no one notice and make a wowhead post about the fact that pvp scaling is back ? I tested with a friend and we did the same duel on ptr and on retail and there was a clear different in dmg % health, the numbers were the same but the % hps taken were way off the right numbers
can someone make a wowhead post about this after verifying yourselves too so blizzard removes it, its actually ruinning duels, no one dies
also tested with multiple classes
mossy meteor
i highly doubt it's back
sleek cloud
we tested, test for yourself
dull sage
been talked about for a good while, yes. Theyve confirmed that the model in that...
@urban spire makes a great point though. It's identical and this is an official cinematic. So Why would they go to the effort of putting it in the cinematic if it wasn't going to be used at some point in-game? We have a new model coming for him after all.
urban spire
The other thing I took into consideration is that it's at the top of torghast with sylvanas turning into her banshee form
which is literally something that happens in the dungeons journal
uncut vault
They went through the effort because they wanted to tease him, but didnt have an actual model
urban spire
I could also see them keeping it too because domination magic is now a part of him
uncut vault
so they made a fake one and covered it in darkness
urban spire
it's not just something that contains him anymore, he's weaponized it and I assume it's made him more powerful
so I could see it being a continued part of his aesthetic
yeah but the fake model is a full recreation of the concept art
not just a partially done thing
dull sage
The other thing I took into consideration is that it's at the top of torghast wi...
Exactly what I was thinking
urban spire
and he's WAY bigger in that form
which could easily be true considering titans have a large form
so I assume eternal ones do as well
and if you look at the shadow form it pretty much has everything from the concept art
his beard, the circlet he's wearing has gems in it, etc.
dull sage
For sure, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if that is what we see. They've just tried to throw us off the scent saying its concept art or something. But I just don't get why it would be so close to the concept art and not be used.
urban spire
the chains and his armor looks identical too
That's my thinking too, they just wanted to push us off of his scent
We will probably see in the next month or so
probably have the sylvanas raid cinematic soon enough as well as his model un-encrypted
dull sage
i think they'll save that till the last minute, like they kept some of the recent cinematics encrypted until patch launch
this is a huge reveal
its supposedly a gamechanging event
urban spire
Yeah, and that's probably the best way. The way they've been hyping this up this raid is hopefully gonna have massive consequences
maybe even shadowlands / realm of life being permanently merged
which could lead to those "allied race " models of covenants being a real allied race
dull sage
yeh that would be pretty crazy
urban spire
I guess the other thing that gets me is how detailed the art is too
it's not like actual concept art
it's like fully finished art
dull sage
yeh i was thinking that
urban spire
I really hope that is the case because he looks awesome like that
dull sage
it would be truly epic and this game certainly needs that right now so fingers crossed eh
dense plover
it's not like actual concept art
thats how wow concept art for major characters ALWAYS looks
i can show you from previous expacs
give me 5 min
heres yrels original concept art
this is before they decided to have that male draenei character and all that
as you can see - its very different from how she turned out
but as polished, if not more, than the OG jailer concept art
heres hozen concept art to show how far a design can change
mantid concept art to show the same thing
tbf, major design shifts like with the jailer are extremely rare for a main character
BUT
for non-main characters, usually the shift ends up with the design or the concept being fully canned
heres some dredger concept art from SLs
or these maw shades that never got these models in game
terse patrol
I really wouldn’t mind if they used Yrels concept art for a new character.
unborn glacier
I really wouldn’t mind if they used Yrels concept art for a new character.
That'll be how she looks when she comes to holocaust in the in the Light xpac when her and that Naaru of hers comes to enslave us to the Lights will.
terse patrol
I’m unconvinced they’re going to villain bat Yrel.
I feel like Blizzard knows that’d be immensely unpopular.
@unborn glacier
Turalyon is more likely, because he’s “new” to most players and is naive about the Light.
unborn glacier
I’m unconvinced they’re going to villain bat Yrel.
They already did in the Maghar recruitment quest
terse patrol
She didn’t say or do anything outright nefarious. And anyways.
unborn glacier
She didn’t say or do anything outright nefarious. And anyways.
Bruh
cunning fossil
I mean, she's basically doing what Briotish invaders did to Native americans
terse patrol
Tbh
unborn glacier
She orders the execution of all Orcs who will not bend to the will of the Light
cunning fossil
It's basically N*zi
tropic trail
The only good orc is a dead orc
terse patrol
tropic trail
I fully agree with Yrel's genocide
dull sage
tbf, major design shifts like with the jailer are extremely rare for a main char...
Interesting, but I think the point was more for a major character like this is.
cunning fossil
Sounds like Racism
tropic trail
It is racism. But it's justified
Orcs started a war because "Oh we doomed our own world and had nowhere to go"
terse patrol
be literal orc hitler
genocide everyone who doesnt join the Iron Horde or is a non-orc.
switch sides last minute because you got your ass kicked and now you wanna weasel out.
expect everyone to forgive you.
mass deforest and destroy Draenor’s ecosystem with hyper-orc industrialism.
pikachu face when the draenei go “bruh” and put an end to your dickery.
tropic trail
Well, boo-fucking-hoo, stop opening portals to Legion homeworlds
Also I'm talking about the original orcs, not WoD orcs
terse patrol
idk why so many Horde-aboos are convinced that the Light and Draenei caused the ecological crisis on alt Draenor. When they outright spell out that the Orcs killed the botani and are deforesting the world like crazy to fuel their society.
Like. Orcs are incapable of not fucking up.
Should the Draenei have just sat and waited for the Orcs to make Draenor entirely uninhabitable?
dense plover
Interesting, but I think the point was more for a major character like this is.
thats why i started with yrel
the others were to show that even non-major characters can have intricate concept art and can change significantly
tropic trail
I mean, I don't like Yrel for turning into Napolhitler, but I guess it's better than destroying the planet
terse patrol
tropic trail
I'd say Ner'zhul was like Freeza was in Dragon Ball Z. Just less threatening
Space warlord invading other worlds for their resources and people
uncut vault
I mean the answer for AU draenor is probably both caused it in their own ways
terse patrol
Idk. Draenei have no real presence in Gorgrond, yet look at it.
The jungle is entirely leveled.
uncut vault
well, the point of the story is that they do have a presence now 😛
dense plover
they used alpha gorgrond for that scenario
uncut vault
because the draenei are conquering draenor
terse patrol
Draenei don’t even really use wood much lol
Their society uses magic not furnaces and such.
dense plover
the reason they used alpha gorgrond is so that they could use certain areas that dont exist on the current area, and so they could have the cart rails
most of that map is fully unchanged from the original alpha map
terse patrol
I’m sure they also used it so it’d be barren.
uncut vault
the idea isnt that theyre killing draenor for resources, the idea is that theyre crystallizing the planet to preserve it in the light
terse patrol
And they even say they wiped out the Botani, or nearly wiped them out.
dense plover
thats fair
terse patrol
They don’t even show any crystalization.
dense plover
i just wouldnt judge the state of that map as fully canon
uncut vault
They do, very explicitly
a naaru comes down and freezes a whole batallion of orcs in light
terse patrol
Yes. To capture them.
uncut vault
No, theyre specifically permanently frozen
terse patrol
You’re saying they’re crystalizing the planet itself.
uncut vault
and unable to be freed
terse patrol
Where does it say that?
uncut vault
when you mouse over their effect
terse patrol
Does it have flavor text, or is it just “Duration: Permanent.”
Because those are two entirely different things.
uncut vault
specific flavor text
terse patrol
Does anyone have a screen of that?
uncut vault
Im having a hard time too lol
guess with how rushed it is people didnt document it well lol
terse patrol
At any rate.
Yeah. The Draenei are authoritarian on alt Draenor, but I think the entire point of the story is
We don’t know the full picture, and I sincerely doubt Grom was being a good boy the whole time.
There’s a reason his own son said “naaaah” and joined Yrel.
uncut vault
Oh I doubt he was too, like I said, I dont think its flat one side was bad or the other
terse patrol
Like, his son joined willingly.
dense plover
i mean
he was a good guy, relatively, until thrall forced him to be warchief
he wasnt ready
tropic trail
Garry was written by writers that didn't communicate
tropic trail
One team wanted apeshit genocidal megalomaniac Garry
dense plover
garrosh was INSANELY well written
tropic trail
The other wanted the perfect Grom
terse patrol
Blizzard did seem to regret making him unredeemable though.
(While alive at least.)
dense plover
idk
so far, even in death, he doesnt seem neccesarily redeemable
the reason he keeps giving anima is because he wont admit his mistakes
tropic trail
I think Garrosh went to Revendreth in all timelines though
dense plover
he truly believed what he was doing was right
tropic trail
Being good doesn't mean you lack pride
uncut vault
garrosh had some inconsistencies, but they were more some writer goofs on the way of the clearly shown arc, and less like Sylvanas where theyre clearly conflicted on what direction and kind of character they want her to be
dense plover
^this
terse patrol
Pride doesn’t send you to Revendreth.
uncut vault
things like Stonetalon or the echo isles internment are weird goofs, but as a whole garrosh had a pretty clear trajectory
dense plover
no, but too much pride stops you from leaving revendreth
terse patrol
Points at Vashj.
dense plover
things like Stonetalon or the echo isles internment are weird goofs, but as a wh...
stonetalon isnt a goof
it shows his honor
why kill women and children to piss off an enemy, when you can force them to leave
terse patrol
Issue is, Garrosh lost all honor later
uncut vault
it is when you consider stuff like the theramore civilians in SoO, is the main thing
uncut vault
if blizz hadnt done that needless thing in the riad I'd agree it fits just fine
dense plover
he stops caring
also SoO - by that point he is fully insane
he is literally hearing the heart's whispers
reinforcing his racism and ego
uncut vault
also, Revendreth as a whole isnt really about the sins, its about sins coming at the cost of your usefulness
people like Garrosh or Kael or Zuljin would be plenty useful to the system, but their sins keep them from that
for a person like vashj, those empower her to serve it better
terse patrol
Vashj is weird, because she isn’t super villainous as far as most WoW villains go.
uncut vault
I mean, she kinda is 😛
enslaved multiple races and tried to drought an entire planet
tropic trail
Illidan was trying to supply his forces so he can fight the Leg
terse patrol
I don’t think any souls go to the Maw immediately.
Revendreth isn’t just for redemption. It’s to drain souls of anima.
Sending anima swollen villains to the Maw would be bad.
tropic trail
I think Maldraxxus would suck as an afterlife. But at least you get to choose your physical form
Wait, let's back the HIFL up here
terse patrol
Maldraxxus sucks for everyone who isn’t an amazing warrior.
uncut vault
I think thats kinda the point, visually its gross, but the freedom and constant self-improvement is what makes it enjoyable for those souls
terse patrol
Maldraxxus is basically soft-hell.
tropic trail
Do you get to choose your physical form in any afterlife?
terse patrol
If you’re powerful, you rise.
If you’re weak, you get used to make fucking weapons.
Which if you think about it. That’s super fucked up.
tropic trail
Like
terse patrol
Maldraxxus isn’t a moral place.
terse patrol
You are given the body you deserve in Bastion it seems like.
Though
That body is limited to being a Kyrian.
tropic trail
Kinda weird
terse patrol
So, trans people die and become their true gender at heart in Bastion.
And presumably any other afterlife
tropic trail
And furries in Ardenweald have spirit shapeshift
tropic trail
Spirit furries
terse patrol
@uncut vault But yeah. Maldraxxus is hell if you aren’t powerful.
terse patrol
Also, I feel like Alexandros Mograine might decide to leave Maldraxxus once he feels he’s done his duty there.
uncut vault
post 9.1, I probably would too
tropic trail
Bastion is for the people who serve faithfully, or something
uncut vault
but as it has been up to now? I think Id pass lol
tropic trail
So would that include minimum wage workers?
terse patrol
Unlikely
uncut vault
bastions more the highest percent of those who are drawn to service
terse patrol
^
Basically a realm of selfless heroes.
There are infinite other afterlives normal people go to.
tropic trail
These afterlives are too specific. We need something for the average Joe
terse patrol
I assume most Light worshippers go to the Light.
Like how Wyll saw his family (minus his wife) when he died.
tropic trail
Like, imagine if in WoW lore, the boring cashier who rotted in minimum wage busting nuts in the corner while listening to Linkin Park went to Revendreth xD
tropic trail
But he did do bad shit, according to a certain book
terse patrol
It’s still a big let down we don’t see Kil’Jaeden in Revendreth. Though, tbh
He might not be dead-dead.
tropic trail
We had it confirmed that we won't see Varian or Varok in Shadowlands
I wonder if we will see Dranosh though
unborn glacier
We had it confirmed that we won't see Varian or Varok in Shadowlands
Well, actually.... [Old Warrior's Soul] 
terse patrol
Varok’s soul is a drop in the upcoming raid.
haughty houndBOT
Old Warrior's Soul - https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186438/old-warriors-soul - PTR 9.1.0
terse patrol
tropic trail
That doesn't count
unborn glacier
Yes it does
terse patrol
And blizzard saying “you won’t see Varian” means jack shit tbh
They said BFA’s intro would be “hard to know who started what”
tropic trail
"Wait guys! Remember our statement? Yeah, forget it. Let's have Varian be the one to snap Anduin out of the Jailer's chains of domination ;)"
terse patrol
When it became crystal clear.
tropic trail
Also, is Anduin dead or is he a living death knight like Arthas was until he cut his heart out?
terse patrol
They specifically announced Shadowlands with Anduin attacking Lordaeron to make it ambiguous who started it.
Arthas wasn’t dead until much later.
So, likely not.
Just soulless currently.
tropic trail
Arthas cut his own heart out, the emo bitch
unborn glacier
Also, is Anduin dead or is he a living death knight like Arthas was until he cut...
Well, actually Arthas was "dead" well before that. Frostmourne ate his soul the moment he picked it up.
terse patrol
He wasn’t “undead” though.
tropic trail
I think even the Arbiter would have sent Arthas to the Maw
tropic trail
"An agent of the Maw? Go to where you belong. Trash"
unborn glacier
I think even the Arbiter would have sent Arthas to the Maw
Nope. Definitely Revendreth.
terse patrol
Arthas is guilty of Stratholme and his actions in Northrend.
Not what he did when he took the blade.
unborn glacier
^^^^^^
terse patrol
And considering the people Revendreth redeemed
His crimes are baby tier in comparison.
unborn glacier
Mhmm
tropic trail
The afterlife laws are FUCKED
Hakkar is in Ardenweald and he definitely deserves to go to Revendreth. But nope, he's a nature spirit
terse patrol
Eh. Stratholme was bad, but it probably slowed the Scourge down a lot.
Hakkar is a “necessary” part of nature
tropic trail
But now I have a speculation about the Nathrezim
Are they evolved Stoneborn created by Denathrius?
Or something else entirely?
They seem to be very similar to Stoneborn physically
And Denathrius is apparently their leader
DeNathrezim xD
We already know the Jailer made the hat of domination and Frost Frostmourne and gave them to Denathrius, who gave them to the Nathrezim
But were Nathrezim demons before Sargeras?
This is some cool lore here
unborn glacier
Are they evolved Stoneborn created by Denathrius?
They were created by Denathrius before the Stoneborn were ever a thing
The Stoneborn were created by the original Stonewright in defense of Revendreth after the Nathrezim's actions brought the full wrath of the Light upon Revendreth.
tropic trail
Naughty, naughty, Nathrezim
unborn glacier
But were Nathrezim demons before Sargeras?
They were never demons.
uncut vault
I think he would have been sent to the maw, but not for his actions, but because 9.1 is suggesting that souls claimed by frostmourne are auto-sent to the maw
uncut vault
the dreadlords we know became actual demons
they entrenched themselves in the realms they infiltrated to be convincing
theyre demons in the same way most are, not inherent as a species but transformed into them by fel infusion
tropic trail
Like the Eredar
uncut vault
Yep
tropic trail
Lore's screwy but fun
unborn glacier
So they aren't demons but they can use fel magic
They can use the powers of any of the Cosmic forces
tropic trail
Even druidic?
unborn glacier
Likely. According to the Preface in-game book, they have successfully infiltrated the realm of Life
So we may see a Nathrezim using Life/Druidic magic in the future
terse patrol
It’s likely not all dreadlords are demons. Like Baifeng said, they just absorb energy from the forces they need to infiltrate.
tropic trail
I can't wait to see some dreadlord saving Tyrande with druidic magic and going "Why so glum, chum? I've saved your life"
terse patrol
It does make me wonder if Lothraxion is a baddie or not. Sucks, because I like him.
tropic trail
Wait wait wait
unborn glacier
It does make me wonder if Lothraxion is a baddie or not. Sucks, because I like ...
All Nathrezim are ultimately only loyal to Denathrius
tropic trail
In Warcraft 3, Sylvanas asked Varimathras to kill like
Uhh
His bro
And they said it's forbidden for a Nathrezim to kill another
What's dat?
austere gazelle
But were Nathrezim demons before Sargeras?
They were demon before Sargeras. This is why I think the " if Azeroth is corrupted by OG it'll create a void titan " is an hoax, or hide something else
I mean, did they infiltrate fel just to manipulate Sargeras ? Or is there a deeper motive there?
And how can you plot things on such a long term without having at least an inch of magic foresight ?
strange falcon
we know all nathrezim come from denathrius,and they can change their appearance if they consume certain sources, for example lothraxion with light,and dreadlords with fel
we also know they were exiled from revendreth to the planet where sargeras found them
unborn glacier
They were demon before Sargeras. This is why I think the " if Azeroth is corrup...
Uhhhhhh
terse patrol
One thing to think about: the Light knows about the dreadlords trying to infiltrate them.
What if Lothraxion was a dreadlord that was forcibly Lightforged like Illidan almost was?
His past loyalties erased.
young latch
I think this too, since Summer is the opposite of Winter, and they're definitely leaning into fae concepts.
I thought it was weird that she'd be responsible for creating the Naaru if she's not an entity devoted to light but if the naaru can give things life that shouldn't have it, that could support the life magic idea.
young latch
theyre likely saving him for post-9.1, if Sylvanas survives. he'd likely play a ...
yeah. fighting sylvanas this early in an expansion does make it feel like there's a lot more coming with her ore nathanos. But, to be fair, I also expected way more to come from Devos. 😛
young latch
I mean the answer for AU draenor is probably both caused it in their own ways
We definitely see time and time again that both orcs and eredar society are massive fuck ups in most of what they do.
light compass
I think this too, since Summer is the opposite of Winter, and they're definitely...
But sommer would be sun, sommer, spring..all of this isn´t elune
young latch
But sommer would be sun, sommer, spring..all of this isn´t elune
I don’t think the sun is summer necessarily. It’s just growth and life. Which does seem to be her domain.
light compass
I don't think so. Sister of the wq don't require the exact opposite being
And how should this work?
silk apex
Will I need to do any 9.1 quests in order to test the new raid in a few hours ?
tiny stream
Do people find testing groups ahead of time, or just pug them?
tiny stream
Ah. My guild doesn't do ptr testing.
balmy gate
My tin foil hat prediction. Jailer escapes maw, and leaves Shadowlands coming to Northrend, and resurrecting Galakrond as a distraction while he makes his way to the sword in Silithus to finish off Azeroth, in attempt to obtain Azeroth's world soul to gain the power of the first ones to rewrite death itself.
storm marsh
well... in that case, I can't wait to see Galakrond skybox - just like they did with N'Zoth. But it's understandable.
dense plover
well... in that case, I can't wait to see Galakrond skybox - just like they did ...
Galakrond is a dragon
Not an old god
And nowhere near Nzoth sized
His body is most of dragonblight tho
mossy meteor
KT seems like a pretty stressful fight
storm marsh
I didn't say he was an Old God, just saying he would be too big to have his own in-game model
dense plover
Deathwing
Giant dragon
It’s doable- not like you would see the actual model if that ends up happening anyway
storm marsh
didn't think of him. His size is around Galakrond?
dense plover
Oh god no
But my point is that deathwing is almost never present up close
When we see him he is either far away, in a cinematic or cutscene, or we are on his back in the raid
storm marsh
I was just thinking about that photo of dawn of the aspects. If any of scenarios include Galakrond in the future, I would be fine just with a CGI cinematic or something
unborn glacier
didn't think of him. His size is around Galakrond?
Galakrond in the lore was utterly massive
He would dwarf Deathwing
storm marsh
Yeah, that's why I suppose they would probably make him appear in animated skybox just like they did with N'Zoth in Nyalotha.
uncut vault
sylvanas sure has gotten big since the xpac launched
jade basalt
Actually by the end Deathwing was much bigger than the other Aspects. He had a 300m wide wingspan. Like, dwarfing the other aspects.
Now, that was a bit inconsistent in the art (there's art of Deathwing bigger than Blackrock Mountain and there's art where he's a bit bigger than all the other Aspects combined but not by that much).
But at the end of the raid he's basically the size Galakrond should be (and we only saw like barely his head and torso), which was an intentional parallel between the two (the layout of the Aspects vs Deathwing was itself similar to that of the proto-Aspects vs Galakrond on the cover of Dawn of the Aspects).
Personally I think Galakrond would've still been bigger but honestly there's not much to base this on.
storm marsh
yep, he's bigger
tropic trail
Tbh I hope we see Galakrond in Shadowlands
He should be in Revendreth
Atoning for the sins of cannibalism
uncut vault
I mean, he was only half at fault, if at all
the beginning of his mutations were titan experiments iirc
unborn glacier
I thought it was meddling from the Old Gods
tropic trail
I thought his mutations were just from eating other protodrakes
Something people disregard about Galakrond is his intellect, tbh
He was one of the few drakes that could actually talk in that time
uncut vault
that was how they got worse, but Tyr talks about how all of this was a result of his tests gone wrong, or implies such
young latch
It's cool that galakrond is huge but I also get less scared of something when it's... way too big? :B
I like my monsters big enough to be threatening but not the size of a whole continent haha.
strange falcon
galakrond was part of the hearthstone expansion/story adventure last year
young latch
I just hope if he ever comes into play in the WoW story they uh... don't make him so big that it's impractical to code into gameplay.
unborn glacier
I mean, it would give them the opportunity to make up for how they handled Deathwing
thick saddle
I still occasionally shudder when I hear the Fel Reaver in Outland... though it's a lot more easily spotted these days with the much higher view distance 😛
austere gazelle
Galakrond will be Kologarn'd I think
Just a dragon torso floating in the air and we will have to fight his arms, head, and chest
That's what they do with big monsters
terse patrol
Interesting time to add Yrel to the avatar list. 🤔
austere gazelle
Yeah that's... odd
More and more convinced that the jailer will brought an alternative end time but that will end up like the Death of Chromies scenarii, with some time and dimension , and plane, merging into reality in odd way, explaining how Yrel can come to our " dimension " and how everyone was trying to kill chromie because of the " time paradox " she would be making
unborn glacier
Yrel isn't in another dimension. It's an alternative timeline
thick saddle
Yrel isn't in another dimension. It's an alternative timeline
Well, "Time" is technically the 4th dimension, and she exists in a different timeline... soo, sorta right 😛
austere gazelle
Well, "Time" is technically the 4th dimension, and she exists in a different tim...
true. And a timeline has to be wrapped in a different dimension, or else it'll be kinda messy
thick saddle
Alternate Timelines are part of the "multiverse". Same dimensions as our own, but events occured differently.
austere gazelle
well it's kinda wonky anyway, since magic is involved
thick saddle
The wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey shenanigans that allowed us to cross over into Draenor... in the past, and then later revisit Draenor in present-day, but not Draenor as Outland 😛
tropic trail
thick saddle
WoD had it's fair share of problems... Personally I consider it the "expansion of missed opportunities", but it's rather annoying that they have a storyline in which Yrel is a big part of the expansion, having her become that timeline's Velen basically... and then she ends up becoming a fanatic light-must-conquer-all b**ch, under the auspices of alternate timeline Xe'ra (the one who tried to force Illidan into the light, and he killed her)
tropic trail
Hey anyone know if theres a vendor to get gear? ping me if you know
terse patrol
We still don’t know the full story, and I REALLY don’t understand why people take Grom and his Horde’s side and accept his say of events as gospel.
It’s also a bit tone deaf to make Grom’s past victims into antagonists, because it poses them in the light of him being right.
So, I doubt the Draenei and Yrel will be outright villain batted. We don’t know the full picture.
@thick saddle
unborn glacier
Yrel is already a villain full stop
mossy meteor
hm interesting
dense plover
^ this. Whether or not the orcs started it, a crusade against the orcs in the way she is doing it is villainous
mossy meteor
i haven't managed to find darion in oribos
after finishing the battle for ardenweald
but not turning it in
mossy meteor
at that point we haven't even discovered korthia
grim canyon
No changes to wow-ui-source, nor any changes appearing in diffs on wow.tools either
silent urchin
the exe changed, but that always happens with a new build. Hard to say if it was actually changed
austere gazelle
Ok
The Lord of Ravens will Turn the Key.
It's Zovaal, unmistakable now. Roh Kaloh said it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/840333494428762122/SPOILER_unknown_2.png
A blessin from da Masters. Now Ogmot understand! A door. A path. Ours... Ours...
tulip sun
Huh?
tulip sun
Ok
The Lord of Ravens will Turn the Key.
It's Zovaal, unmistakable now. Roh Kal...
What do you mean it's Zovaal
austere gazelle
The Lord of Ravens => Ravens being the Mawsworn.
" When their mistress beckons, nine ravens takes flight " The Nine is a boss encounter of the SoD, the Valkyr / Mawsworn of Sylvanas
terse patrol
I mean. It makes sense. Legion was the start of the Sylvanas trilogy of expansions.
austere gazelle
So " The Lord of Ravens will turn the Key " now line up with Roh Kalo saying " Gods fall at the turn of a key "
Most likely referencing to the opening of the Sepulcher
They have gathered! The Door Opens !
remind of Ogmot's journal line :
A blessin from da Masters. Now Ogmot understand! A door. A path. Ours... Ours...
'They' might be the Void Lords
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/840338965327511573/WoWScrnShot_050721_232538.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/840338966439788584/WoWScrnShot_050721_232532.jpg
pretty cool visuals
pulsar minnow
```They have gathered! The Door Opens ! ```
remind of Ogmot's journal line :
`...
I think it's moreso that he's talking about the First Ones. They're the Gods of the Shadowlands and pretty much all reality, and Roh Kalo is an attendant after all
uncut vault
mossy meteor
poor garry
pulsar minnow
I want that sword
tropic trail
That looks like a really cool fighting scene.
tulip sun
Dun dun dun
mossy meteor
@uncut vault @dense plover there's something odd in the maw
if you exit the raid through its entrance, the outside area is full of new elite mobs (similar to torghast mobs) and they all have millions of HP
i died and respawned at venari's place, she was there but i think that's normal
what isn't normal is this oribos waystone
no korthia either
uncut vault
I saw that too the other day, its weird
mossy meteor
different eyes
a new "bonus objective" mob
in the beastwarrens
feels like it's an instanced area?
the map is largely the same-ish just no flight path markers
normal map
uncut vault
might be testing for the pre-9.1 maw phase
mossy meteor
hmm
that could be it i guess
the mobs are largely different than in 9.0 or post 9.1 phases
uncut vault
just looking around, so far its all the 9.0 stuff for me
grim canyon
feels like it's an instanced area?
You try dumping GetInstanceInfo and see if it shows as instanced
mossy meteor
too late now 😅
grim canyon
rip
mossy meteor
maybe for the next raid test
silent urchin
LFR wing 1 is open, you might be able to try there
although LFR is special so who knows
grim canyon
Well, if anyone finds a way to reproduce it, definitly dump the instance info so it can be diffed
mossy meteor
i'll see if the npc lets me in
paper veldt
why is he wearing tusks? :??
uncut vault
probably the same reason kaelthas magically gains a full set of venthyr themed belf armor
aesthetics > logic
paper veldt
yeah but he loses the tusks in the SoO end cinematic it falls off him
and he dies without them in wod
does blizzard ever go back to their source material??
terse patrol
It's not like you go to the afterlife with your actual clothes.
It's likely he believes the Tusks are his by right.
Thus he manifested them in the Shadowlands.
He'd likely lose them if he loses his pride.
terse patrol
mfw no nekkid garrosh
pulsar minnow
Not sure if I’m the first to notice this but I found it interesting
All the new Torghast shoulders are direct copy-pastes from in-game NPCs or even bosses in the case of Painsmith Raznal or the Tarragrue. These new shoulder though, are different. Not a single NPC to my knowledge has these shoulders.
Yet they’re the exact same shoulders that were found on the old leaked Jailer Concept art. So maybe they really are going back to that old look and wanted to throw the shoulders in as well for fun. Of course this is just a guess but it’s still quite interesting imo.
uncut vault
it isnt the first thing to do that, the M+ mounts have his back crest as well
and the new backpieces do too
pulsar minnow
I noticed that too
It could be that they have his old cinematic model laying around and they’re throwing leftover parts of him into the game, but I’m kinda hoping it’s a hint towards what could be potentially a completely revamped Jailer and not just a Jailer with a glowing orb in his chest now
tulip sun
Spoilers from a new book
Uh. How did he get it.
And there is no screenshot or anything o.o
mossy meteor
He didn't
tulip sun
We sure its real?
tulip sun
Oh? I'm on mobile lemme look again
tulip sun
There are screenshots at the end
Juicyyyy
I was right. I said that she'd be pantheon of life.
and the forums are already a shitstorm
strange falcon
*and the forums are already a shitstorm*
some people are not amused by ppl making a shitstorm
tulip sun
They've been raging since the ardenweald quest
tulip sun
some people are not amused by ppl making a shitstorm
And I really don't get how it ruins elune..
They are calling for an entire rewrite for Christ sakes xD
austere gazelle
And I really don't get how it ruins elune..
Notice it said that the link between her and the WQ was " severed " , so nothing is ruined yet. something did happens to Elune.
austere gazelle
Yeah , people are jumping the shark that Elune is ruined and whatever. But we don't have the full story yet. The very " upstart Goddess" thing from Xal did imply that she was probably not a " goddess " from the start
silent urchin
screenshots are available on there
So, seems legit
Specifically seems to be amazon UK, everywhere else I'm looking only has the cover image
there's also https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/816GYoNts8S.jpg which doesn't seem to have been linked in the reddit post
tulip sun
Wonder if there will be some we don't see ingame
silent urchin
I imagine they were due to be released in the next few days globally, just some people put them up a bit early after they were sent out
austere gazelle
I wonder if it was intentional
It was. Chronicles leaked the fact that Azeroth was a world soul in the same type of previews
mossy meteor
I wonder if it was intentional
Book previews are always intentional
Probably not done by blizzard, but amazon
And we're like, 2 weeks away from the books release so it doesn't matter
jade basalt
Not even by Amazon
Blizzard chooses the pages that are to be previewed
This isn't a leak, it's.. a preview
silent urchin
Well, pretty sure amazon put them up a bit early
mossy meteor
Doesn't matter
Book is out in 2ish weeks anyway
Doesn't necessarily spoil anything big
jade basalt
Well, pretty sure amazon put them up a bit early
Don't think so, we're barely 2 weeks from the release date, that's pretty standard, if not even a little late
silent urchin
It's more that there's normally a specific date for them to go live on all stores. I don't think it would be more than a day or two, they wouldn't get provided the images that far in advance anyway
tulip sun
Don't think so, we're barely 2 weeks from the release date, that's pretty standa...
Didn't I just read the release is in like july
tulip sun
Book is out in 2ish weeks anyway
What i see is 2ish months??
jade basalt
Didn't I just read the release is in like july
Ah true. Point still stands, the timeframe is similar to that of Chronicle. And Chronicle had even more (like 20+) pages released for preview.
young latch
And I really don't get how it ruins elune..
People want her to be "real god" when everything in wow has always been explained in time. Which I don't get, because it's inherently a fictional universe. It is okay if things that aren't real get explained eventually.
young latch
https://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Fairy-Tales-Azeroth/dp/1950366472/
Also this is the most excited I've ever been about any WoW book ever because of the big name authors and the exploration of Azeroth's people and their folks tales over their rulers.
terse patrol
As long as she doesn’t become “tall lady standing around a player hub for quests”.
strange falcon
As long as she doesn’t become “tall lady standing around a player hub for quests...
Lul
young latch
"Well, Well, Malfurian..."
pulsar minnow
We need some reality TV drama with the Winter Queen and Elune.
sacred oriole
As long as she doesn’t become “tall lady standing around a player hub for quests...
oh shes 100% gonna become a tall lady giving out quests
young latch
I don't mind NPC's being big and being in capitals because I always just thought it was supposed to be an approximation of them, not what they're literally doing in a given moment in time.
unborn glacier
The page for all those who don't like reddit.
young latch
Like how the entire city of dalaran isn't the size of a shopping mall. 😛
unborn glacier
Not handing out quests to mortals.
She uses the Nelves for that 
pulsar minnow
I really hope the Winter Queen meets up with Elune and just points out the fact that Elune dated a deer
young latch
I think if anything should have never been explained in detail, it should have been the old gods for the mysterious horror. But we all know Blizzard always overexplains everything so it was inevitable in my eyes. 😛
terse patrol
Elune likely didnt literally bang a deer lmao
pulsar minnow
I mean… Cenarius ;)
pulsar minnow
Yeah. Thats my point
Cenarius is living proof that a deer is apart of the Elune family tree
young latch
If elune has butterfly wings I'm not gonna complain. 😛
unborn glacier
I wonder if Malorne went to Ardenweald, or if Elune snatched him up 
terse patrol
It’s more likely she formed Cenarius from Malorne’s essence.
pulsar minnow
They went on a honeymoon to Elunaria
terse patrol
Elune didn’t bang a chandelier to make Naaru. 😛
unborn glacier
It’s more likely she formed Cenarius from Malorne’s essence.
Nah, it is stated quite clearly that Malorne and Elune were mates and that he is Cenarius' father.
pulsar minnow
Elune didn’t bang a chandelier to make Naaru. 😛
At this point I wouldn’t put it past her
terse patrol
I REALLY don’t think Blizzard has the balls to make Elune fuck a magic deer.
pulsar minnow
That would be worse
terse patrol
Only reason Blizzard lets mortals fuck dragons is because the dragons can take a mortal form.
terse patrol
terse patrol
It seems likely to me Night Elves look as they do specifically because Elune likely looks like one.
Cenarius is a night elf/deer hybrid.
Dryads and keepers are all night elf/deer hybrids grown from literal acorns.
young latch
It's just oddly specific to include the deer and elune as his parents, lol.
pulsar minnow
I pray someone brings this up to Danuser in a future lore interview
I would love to see what he’s got to say on the subject
terse patrol
He’ll say she didn’t fuck a deer, 100%
Cenarius was almost certainly made in the same way she made Naaru.
The Malorne connection is probably just mythological storytelling.
pulsar minnow
Well the Naaru part is just a Khadgar Game Theory. It’s not actually fact yet
young latch
I suspect it is not literal as well, or that magic was involved.
I'm pretty certain you would have the ability to spring life from nothing if you were a life deity.
pulsar minnow
I’m going to guess they’ll say An’she is a member of the Pantheon of Light and is related to Elune so that’s why Xe’ra woke up
unborn glacier
I dont think Ah'she is its own entity
terse patrol
An’she is likely just the Light.
young latch
I wonder who the actual light pantheon will be because we know that's gotta be on its way sometime too.
pulsar minnow
Illidan is the Pantheon of Light. He’s no longer his scars. He goes to church regularly now after getting over his fel addiction.
Joking aside I do hope they bring back the Titans along with Illidan to beat the Jailer if he truly is “Titan++” in his level of power.
young latch
But like. Actually, tho.
Because the pantheon and Arcane, Chaos, and Death are accounted for. 😛
I hope it's more interesting than "it's just a bunch of naaru."
pulsar minnow
The Seat of the Light Pantheon is just a Home Depot Chandelier section, and a bunch of really loud humming wind chime noises
young latch
That would be Too Bad.
pulsar minnow
With all this Elune stuff I’m really starting to think we might get a Lifelands expansion, and postpone the Light VS Void expac to another day
terse patrol
Gunn be interesting to see the Titans at full power again
young latch
i'd prefer Lifelands over Naarus vs. Void
but i suspect the next expansion will be azeroth focused again
unborn glacier
I hope so
terse patrol
Same
unborn glacier
Let us explore the uncharted rear of Azeroth, that will lead into another cosmis xpac
tulip sun
I mean
I imagine the light has it's own pantheon above Naaru
I would kinda like An'she being there
unborn glacier
I think An'she is just what the Tauren call the Light
terse patrol
Blizzard writing suffers when they focus on cosmic stuff
unborn glacier
Because An'she to them is the Sun
young latch
I think it suffers when they do war stuff badly more, frankly. But I would like them to do war stuff well.
tulip sun
Tauren Sunwalkers and Seers have always been a bit different than other "light" worshippers.
terse patrol
I think next expansion might be Lordaeron focused
young latch
I hope so.
tulip sun
An entire expansion?
young latch
It's just not an interesting story though when it's "the alliance do nothing bad, the horde did a genocide, and they need to find themselves again." God I hope that plot dies forever.
young latch
Calia I think is obviously being set up for something, I just don't know what yet.
I would very much like for Valeera to get to do things on the horde side.
terse patrol
Blizzard keeps hinting at the Alliance having internal issues for once
young latch
I hope they do; it might make me play my worgen once in a while.
tulip sun
I expected a cosmic battle royale expansion tbh
All this learning about the cosmic forces
terse patrol
So I think we might see Turalyon bring the Scarlets into the Alliance
young latch
I think that's coming too but I bet it's going to be the one after the next.
unborn glacier
I think next expansion might be Lordaeron focused
Lordaeron and Gilnaes
young latch
I think Quelthalas is both due for plot and a facelift.
terse patrol
Ye
young latch
It's sort of already been set up.
terse patrol
I could see them giving Quel’thalas an update. It’d make Horde not feel as salty over the Alliance getting a “new” city.
young latch
It would also give void elves some plot.
That's what I'd personally pick because I think it has the most opportunities for their popular unused assets.
Like Valeera actually... doing things...
terse patrol
I think uh
Lordaeron City could be a raid.
With Turalyon as the Garrosh of the fight.
young latch
but who even wants it
young latch
if the entire plot was a plague purification/crusade plot that could work
terse patrol
A raid ending in the throne room of Lordaeron with Turalyon on the throne would be fun.
I think that the Alliance’s big issue will be Turalyon bringing the Scarlets in, who recruit a bunch of humans.
Likely during the Scourge invasion going on right now.
So, the Alliance is being pushed to do zealous things, and the other leaders don’t like it.
See: Alliance Garrosh.
Since Garrosh recruited the Dark Horde.
Who became the core of his supporters
I could see him opening a portal for Yrel.
Basically the Light saying "bro, let us come over."
young latch
It would be cool if they made compelling villains for the alliance but I just never trust them to actually do it.
It Would Be Nice tm
I presume Tyrande is going to be calm again since they have exercised elunes wrath from her in this patch.
pulsar minnow
I want Tyrande to move aside and bring Malfurion back to the super badass Druid of yore
Nixxiom’s Machinimas with Malfurion are genuinely my personal headcanon of what Malfurion is actually like
young latch
I just can't get interested in night elves for whatever reason; might just be because I don't think the original sin narrative is that compelling.
Maybe a rebuilding narrative would be interesting for them, or a return to hunter-gatherer esque survival stories. But I can't think of much. Then again, I'll probably never be their target audience.
tropic trail
Most of what they do is rebuilding or learning to survive with the open world without their immortality
pulsar minnow
I just can't get interested in night elves for whatever reason; might just be be...
The only Night Elf stuff that really interests me is Zin’azshari.
I really wish we could get a time travel expansion and explore Azeroth before the sundering with a massive city like Zin Azshari. I just wonder what the heck went on here.
young latch
That would be awesome.
pulsar minnow
It’d obviously be a ton of work, but it could also do well with the covenant stuff. You can join the Highborne, Trolls, Pandaren, or Tauren in their unification against the Legion
young latch
I dunno if they'll ever do a big time travel thing again though.
pulsar minnow
Agreed. It’s probably off the table, but maybe it could sort of happen in the form of a new massive continent on the other side of Azeroth.
young latch
Reminder that Makani did Sylvanas better than Blizzard’s flashback did.
What's this?
pulsar minnow
Honestly looks the most threatening than Sylvanas ever has been even with the powers of the Jailer
young latch
Ahh, I see.
terse patrol
Her portrayal of Warcraft is honestly better
young latch
I'm still salty that all three of the warbringers weren't songs?
young latch
I thought they were going to do lament of the highbourne for her watbringers after daughter of the sea.
But then they didn't.
terse patrol
Though, she said she’d rather die than draw WoW pauldrons for the rest of her life.
pulsar minnow
Or art.
If I were in charge I’d probably just slap that on the front cover for the Sylvanas book
young latch
And I was like "oh. This is not going to be an even expansion." xD
pulsar minnow
Okay, but Arthas.
See? Now everything is invalid
Actually though. Imagine getting your own cinematic and the only thing people really care about is the guy who killed you and a big blue lady
terse patrol
lol
