Maybe, but if you can’t figure out the cause or you fixed it on your machines in most cases, pushing t the build might be the only option
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
grim canyon
Gonna work on updating ui-source and the intellij plugin before I hop in though
strange falcon
I am not the most knowledgeable on their coding limitations,but they could make it so that it only appears on the floor after you already have had a streak(aka you're going speedrun mode) overriding the torment you'd normally get on that floor
dense plover
Lol, that wow shadowlands discount is an attempt to boost Q1 profits
I don’t know if that will work tbh
grim canyon
Ooh, speaking of coding limitations, thats another irk I have, with 9.1 flying
dense plover
G2g back to work
strange falcon
They gotta recoup the profits after the salary cut
grim canyon
The limitation they talked about where you couldnt fly in between zones...they have systems that can both prevent the abuse and allow it for the most part. The way it could have worked is that if you passed through the gate that carries you through the in-between, you can have LOC and have the already present pathfinding get your mount through without the 30 minutes they say
uncut vault
nice
strange falcon
Sylvanas bow quiver
grim canyon
https://github.com/CDAGaming/wow-ui-source/commit/7b752657ca8caf4f1ab386d397120ffd2906aaa9
ui_source is updated, IntelliJ plugin is updated as well except wowpedia info
grim canyon
mhm
tropic trail
That’s pretty big yeah?
grim canyon
Actually, it is quite small compared to the last build
grim canyon
Quite a bit of new methods though were added, in relation to DungeonScore, Transmog API, and MythicPlus
grim canyon
Good chance looking at this that the new scoring system may be ready for testing
tropic trail
Makes me wonder if the next chapters of the 9.1 campaign are coming out this build
With the covenant campaigns coming the build after?
grim canyon
Makes me wonder if the next chapters of the 9.1 campaign are coming out this bui...
The full 9.1 campaign was available in the last build, but covenant campaigns im not sure on
Normally, quests are scripted and unlocked server side
strange falcon
2k new lines of code 👀
strange falcon
Those programmers be working
uncut vault
Sylvanas got her model updated with a bunch of player anims and unique fight ones
grim canyon
2k new lines of code 👀
A lot of it is documentation edits tbf, that and refactors
strange falcon
Man i am already dreading the day i will have to make my own documentation
grim canyon
Documentation and refactors easily bloat the diffset count, but there is a higher sense of quality in this build, which I can appreciate 😄
strange falcon
"Well now that there is no eye of the jailer to kick you out,players cant complain about venari paragon"
Was prob the reasoning
grim canyon
In LFG, dungeon score should apparently be displayed in the frame now as well, so I'm definitly seeing that the systems are likely gonna be able to be tested when realms come up (Either that or dungeons may be locked if it's too unstable)
mossy meteor
oh shit new build
silent urchin
"The Archivist's Codex: Earn Exalted status with The Archivist's Codex." was that rep in the last build or is it new too?
I don't recall seeing it
ionic terrace
new
mossy meteor
is this the latest build
grim canyon
yes
grim canyon
I have doubts raid tests may be up this week, but that all depends on if this build is stable enough to handle it
tropic trail
SYLVANAS’ BOOTY IS MINE
grim canyon
Atm, realms are still under maintenance/upgrades so idk yet
pulsar minnow
Praying that we get Tazavesh this week. I really want to test that dungeon. Though it might just be more torghast stuff
tribal sand
hoping for more new legendarys
mossy meteor
was too busy
grim canyon
Praying that we get Tazavesh this week. I really want to test that dungeon. Thou...
Depends if dungeon score is ready
As those systems got added
silent urchin
eh
tazavesh won't have dungeon score
it's not gonna be split in two for M+ til 9.2, presumably
pulsar minnow
Do we have datamined dialogue for the last two chapters of the Death's Advance campaign?
pulsar minnow
I hope we get some big First One lore, or at least a hint as to where the heck this is going after the Jailer breaks out
grim canyon
It's very unlikely Blizzard would reveal too much of the story before it hits live
pulsar minnow
Of course, but at least a little something to build it up. Maybe state the Jailer's huge sin or whatever
grim canyon
Hell, Blizz may even put in dummy text to get our hopes up on stuff xD
mossy meteor
yeah
the first two builds showed how quickly they change stuff
hell, even the battle for ardenweald got changed
strange falcon
i didnt see the download
Damn,way to flex your download speeds on us lol
mossy meteor
nah
pulsar minnow
built different
mossy meteor
700 mb patch would take maybe 5 minutes?
less idk
i wasn't at the pc so i didn't notice there was a build
i saw wowhead's posts
silent urchin
I think the app reports the size of the final modified files, and the download itself was a good deal smaller than 700MB
mossy meteor
rofl anima powers in m+
pulsar minnow
This'll be interesting lmao
silent urchin
It's uhhh.. gonna be weird for the people competing for score
At least for tanks, the one which reflects shadow damage is super OP if that's actually available
pulsar minnow
I wonder what the drawback will be. If anything
silent urchin
Probably that a bunch of nerds from the maw show up and try and kill you
pulsar minnow
"Be wary, you are hunted"
mossy meteor
could probably work like pride
every 20% a pack spawns
kill them to get powers
1 orb for everyone per pack
strange falcon
The funniest thing was,i was reading the post and going "okay,okay there is not really any totally useless powers here,they mostly did their homework for m+" then i scroll to the single only comment
"Ew" and i burst out laughing
pulsar minnow
Can't wait until she doesn't die
That's a hot take
tulip sun
I will be astonished if she actually dies
terse patrol
I mean, it’s not like her dying means she doesn’t exist anymore.
She at least deserves to experience the Maw like she’s forcing untold millions of souls.
@tulip sun
tribal sand
wait?? is this a baseline 2 minute dark glare from a new level perk?
unborn glacier
She at least deserves to experience the Maw like she’s forcing untold millions o...
Nah
tulip sun
I see her dieing towards the end of the expansion
grim canyon
Exactly this ^^
Blizzard is very unlikely to kill of Sylvannas, if theyve kept her around this long
pulsar minnow
I see her getting an Illidan 7.3 treatment
If they do that people are going to be very angry
terse patrol
Illidan wasn’t nearly as evil as Sylvanas.
pulsar minnow
What they're doing to her in 9.1 seems like she's going to die. Her shoulders, bow, quiver, and mount can all be looted
tulip sun
That doesn't mean shit tbf
terse patrol
Sylvanas is, as we speak, sending ALL souls across the universe to WoW Hell.
tulip sun
I mean, technically that is the Jailer. She just helped send some Azeroth souls there and is now continuing to help e.e
terse patrol
She’s achieved a level of evil beyond any human dictator in history 😂
unborn glacier
If they do that people are going to be very angry
Less ppl than those who will be mad if she dies
tulip sun
What i see is like
Her dieing by the Jailer's hands. She eventually sees his goals and hers don't align or something
pulsar minnow
I dont think the majority of people are going to like that the character who committed genocide will just be forgiven
terse patrol
She can’t be redeemed. All she can hope for it “I feel bad now (for some arbitrary reason), and now will do ONE right thing.”
tulip sun
No one is saying just forgiven lol
terse patrol
She should help stop the Jailer then go to hell.
pulsar minnow
No one is saying just forgiven lol
So what are you saying? She'll just stay live somehow?
and do... nothing
terse patrol
She’s committing a crime worse than genocide now.
She’s sending probably billions of souls a day to LITERAL HELL.
silent urchin
Is it even really hell? I thought they were just being converted into anima to power the jailors army, the souls themselves essentially stop existing
unborn glacier
She’s sending probably billions of souls a day to LITERAL HELL.
Nope. That is Zovaal and Denathrius
terse patrol
Where those souls are subjected to untold torture until they’re reforged into Maw soldiers.
Aaaaand, who does Sylvanas serve?
And who made all this possible?
There’s no possible way to make a situation where you can reasonably let her go.
Making her the Jailer just puts her in power over punishing evil souls. And she’s an evil soul.
unborn glacier
I hope Blizz has the balls to redeem her.
terse patrol
Bolvar if anything should be Jailer 2
pulsar minnow
Look at it this way: if she's losing all these iconic items in this fight, it means she's either going to be killed or will be taken out of the conflict. I doubt she'll get any form of redemption. This is our final showdown with her.
terse patrol
Are they “iconic”?
pulsar minnow
They're important items to her
pulsar minnow
I know. But it's like seeing thrall's shoulders and axe in a loot list
grim canyon
The Jailer I can see in either case, must be either killed off or "reeducated" (Albeit, it appears "reeducation" failed with Sire, so would also fail for The Jailer most likely). Sylvannas realistically shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Azeroth again (Multiple different conflicts directly caused by her will, plus kidnapping the world's leaders and sending millions to the maw), but would be a qualified role to take Zorvall's role (Which would negate any further need for the Lich King while keeping herself intact).
terse patrol
There’s nothing iconic about them.
unborn glacier
Making her the Jailer just puts her in power over punishing evil souls. And she...
Emeni committed "genocide" and went to Maldraxxus. Arthas, well, we all know what he did, and there is reason to believe he would have gone to Revendreth nor the Maw
uncut vault
Azshara also dropped her staff, Jaina dropped her dads sword
drops are just cool visual stuff togive to players
unborn glacier
Emeni didn’t send ALL SOULS to the Maw.
Neither did sylvanas
pulsar minnow
Azshara also dropped her staff, Jaina dropped her dads sword
Yeah but in Azshara's case, her master had a use for her. Once the Jailer is free he won't have use for Sylvanas or really anyone.
unborn glacier
No one is saying redeem her xD
I am 
uncut vault
I mean, I am :P, but I mean it in the proper, she realizes she did fucked up stuff, and is the only card we have to save anduin and stop the jailer
grim canyon
There would be a massive uproar if she got redeemed, and there would be an uproar if she wasn't. Either direction will always have people unhappy with the decision
tulip sun
I wouldn't call that realization a redemption
No one is forgiving her for her bad actions
terse patrol
You can be redeemed and NOT forgiven.
uncut vault
and if the choice comes between killing her and saving the universe, everyone but tyrande would pretty much instantly choose saving the universe, and tyrandes clearly getting her rage subsided tothe point where she likely would too
pulsar minnow
I mean, I am :P, but I mean it in the proper, she realizes she did fucked up stu...
I would be okay with her being used as a source of information to amend for things, but then kill her off a bit later
terse patrol
I’m fine with Sylvanas’ dumbass figuring out “OOOH MAYBE WORKING WITH THE DEVIL BAD”.
tulip sun
I drfinently see her like
terse patrol
But I won’t hug her and say it’s ok.
tulip sun
Trying to ultimately go against the jailer
grim canyon
Trying to ultimately go against the jailer
If she tried, she's get smacked very quick if she makes it too obvious. The key and her main advantage is that The Jailer believes Sylvannas is bending to his will, which will make him vulnerable.
strange falcon
I’m fine with Sylvanas’ dumbass figuring out “OOOH MAYBE WORKING WITH THE DEVIL ...
I dont see the jailer being bright red and with horns and tail tho
grim canyon
Hence why he tested her with Anduin
terse patrol
Reminder Sylvanas is working with the guy who has KELTHUZAD as his lacky.
The guy who’s the reason she’s dead and most of her people are also dead.
unborn glacier
strange falcon
Speaking of sylvanas,new mount special and it seems like new rig too for her mount
terse patrol
That’s like Anne Frank joining th-
strange falcon
~~That’s like Anne Frank joining th-~~
You'd be getting canceled if you had a twitter
unborn glacier
~~That’s like Anne Frank joining th-~~
Godwins law
terse patrol
Still a good point tho.
unborn glacier
Nope
terse patrol
Who the hell joins up with their genocider?
strange falcon
Baifeng evidently lol
unborn glacier
Sir, this is a fantasy game, not twitter
terse patrol
All Forsaken loyalists should be like “bruh he made the plague what the fuck.”
pulsar minnow
Sir, this is a fantasy game, not twitter
But that doesn't make killing innocents good
Still makes you a bad guy
strange falcon
Forsaken be like : B R U H
terse patrol
Baifeng, you can like a character without blindly defending their actions lmao
terse patrol
“ye darth vader was right about blastin’ them alderan people”
strange falcon
Speaking of sylvanas,new mount special and it seems like new rig too for her mou...
We dont have the CDA guy here,but it does look like new rig.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/837428924228042762/unknown.png
unborn glacier
We dont have the CDA guy here,but it does look like new rig.
https://cdn.discord...
I think it uses the parrot rig from bfa
strange falcon
There could be some similarities
pulsar minnow
Its the wind serpent skeleton
strange falcon
We dont have wind serpent mounts to my knowledge
pulsar minnow
now we do
grim canyon
We dont have the CDA guy here,but it does look like new rig.
https://cdn.discord...
If I was ever involved with Blizzard, i'd likely be fired within a day for the changes I'd try to pull
For one, all my addons are build on the concept of "universal compatibility", as both my first wow addon and first mc mod are compatible from their first major version to their latest with the same codebase. Imagine trying that for a whole game, and not having the entire community scream at you for breaking everything xD
For MC, this means b1.6.6 - 1.17
For Wow, this means 1.12.1 - 9.1 (Classic APIs as well)*
- = Could likely work lower then 1.12.1, don't have a lower client to test on that's still 1.x
strange falcon
Sounds like what microsoft was doing for a good while
grim canyon
MSFT has those ideals, but not the universal codebase strategy of doing it
My method would bring alot of good, but not before a massive wave of breaking everything in order to make everything universal to each other, which is why a lot of companies would be resistent to it unless as a last resort
mossy meteor
The following encounters will be available for testing on Heroic difficulty April 29 [Schedule]:
Eye of the Jailer
Kel’Thuzad
The following encounters will be available for testing on Heroic difficulty April 30 [Schedule]:
Fatescribe Roh-Talo
Remnant of Ner’zhul
haughty houndBOT
Gold Pickup Schedule - https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=1307/gold-pickup-schedule - PTR 9.1.0
mossy meteor
Nice
silent urchin
Servers are up, btw
grim canyon
Thats surprising that they are that confident
To do testing the same day as the build
grim canyon
yet
There was no compile issues known this time, but confidence can kill the cat tbf
It hasn't been enough time to gauge the build under load, but hey if they are confident, I got faith in them
mossy meteor
They're way behind
silent urchin
ok mounting in korthia will just flat out DC you
pulsar minnow
Yeah did you just test that out after seeing that guy say it in general
I did too lol
silent urchin
no
pulsar minnow
oh
silent urchin
I was just trying to mount
strange falcon
ok mounting in korthia will just flat out DC you
Sounds pretty pog tbh,
Imagine if that was intended with 9.0 maw
Everytime you mount up you dc
pulsar minnow
Meaningful walking
terse patrol
Why would an Elwynn quest get an update in 9.1
strange falcon
Back to classic bois
mossy meteor
@grim canyon uhh seems like they removed raid testing from the notes
Unless they're going to make a separate post
grim canyon
Yea, it is still a risky move to have raid testing right after a build release, but i can be wrong, so we'll see
mossy meteor
Yeah the raid testing part was completely removed
grim canyon
I'm down to group up with any of yall just in case
mossy meteor
Probably a forgotten copy paste
My theory is that they intended to release it yesterday and forgot to change
grim canyon
As oddly enough, progress on the 9.1 story got reset back to 4/7 chapters done, when i finished it last week
grim canyon
My theory is that they intended to release it yesterday and forgot to change
That's what im thinking
It would have been testing today had things been on schedule
mossy meteor
I don't think they've ever done raid testing on the same day as a new build
At least not this early into the testing cycle
grim canyon
I can confirm however that mounting does cause a DC
If you were already on a mount, it wont though
So it's specifically the events ENTERING a mount that are broke atm
silent urchin
Logging in while mounted is still giving me the camera bug
I have seen people running around on mounts
mossy meteor
Good thing my only character is in sinfall
pulsar minnow
Interesting lore tidbit. Apparently not all Night Warriors go to Ardenweald.
mossy meteor
Yes that's what we speculated 2 weeks ago
When the stonewright turned out to be a night warrior
pulsar minnow
Yep
grim canyon
Logging in while mounted is still giving me the camera bug
The camera bug happens with or without mounting, it's sporadic
silent urchin
well whenever I login on a mount it's 500m+ in the air
grim canyon
If you already have the camera bug, being on a mount raises the camera several meters per second
IE makes the bug significantly worse
Normally though, it's fixed by just a simple relog, but was present in the last two builds
uncut vault
Im ready to wear odyns eye as a trophy
mossy meteor
oh my
light compass
Did someone the nightwarrior quest atm?
uncut vault
Im doing it now
mossy meteor
same
pulsar minnow
me three
pulsar minnow
remember to use Battle Ready Tauraluses. they help quite a bit
grim canyon
Did someone the nightwarrior quest atm?
I just finished it
Those traps are literal one shots
light compass
Which traps?
past ginkgo
Sylvanas mount isn't new, it's the mana rays from argus
Which means I will never use it because your character looks comical on that rig
pulsar minnow
Im just shocked that nobody internally caught this before they pushed the build.
mossy meteor
crap i died lol
drowsy leaf
the box of many things quest comes from a questgiver in the uther torghast scenario
am i supposed to report that to someone?
grim canyon
This looks like two alternative takes of the same line
pulsar minnow
It might be alternative dialogue for ardenweald people
like how Odyn had alternative dialogue for Warriors
pulsar minnow
Knew it
pulsar minnow
So that might be our next step in the story
tropic trail
I mean, is this the Ardenweald campaign or the 9.1 chapters?
tropic trail
There are
I think?
Are the covenant campaign things from Renown 9.1 chapters? Or are they part of their own things?
drowsy leaf
anyone know how to do the Blind Loyalty campaign quest on the PTR?
silent urchin
I dunno, I don't think any of that is on PTR yet
pulsar minnow
Are the covenant campaign things from Renown 9.1 chapters? Or are they part of t...
At Blizzcon they said there would only be one campaign for all covenants
in 9.1 that is
the chapters unlocked via renown are likely these same chapters
torpid spear
I miss u Denathrius 😢
pulsar minnow
So Arthas was the gem within Kingsmourne?
There's a bunch of gems containing souls within Torghast
uncut vault
its very likely, yes
theyve specified its a specific soul, one Sylvanas isnt privy to knowing who was put inside
pulsar minnow
That's pretty interesting. I wonder where they'll go from here in regards to Arthas
Since- well, hes a gem
grim canyon
Dont mind me torghast, lemme just viewclip a bit here xD
Turns out some viewing angles allow this to happen
drowsy leaf
how tf do i get onto the elysian hold as a not kyrian
it spears me then i doe
die*
every time
pulsar minnow
There should be a larion to the right of the Spires of Ascension Dungeon portal
drowsy leaf
he aint there
pulsar minnow
And you cant fly there either?
pulsar minnow
Make sure to report that then. I guess its just how it goes
unborn glacier
Possible one of the Pantheon of Life
pulsar minnow
@drowsy leaf Just had an idea. Try swapping covenants. I don't know if you already have done so, but it could work
drowsy leaf
yea
pulsar minnow
one way to make it work
pulsar minnow
was it?
drowsy leaf
yea
pulsar minnow
Im in the Temple of Loyalty with Uther and Nikolon
pulsar minnow
oh
tropic trail
wasn't the tear of elune the legion quest item that we kept in our bags for some reason
tropic trail
ah yes
isn't the idea that we aren't leaving the shadowlands in the lore until the end of the expansion? I wonder how the tear got in.
do we go out and take it? Or is it just thrown through the icecrown ceiling from azeroth which conveniently helps us 🧐
tropic trail
the tear is lodged in tyrande 😳
unborn glacier
isn't the idea that we aren't leaving the shadowlands in the lore until the end ...
No. Canonically, we can freely go back and forth
tropic trail
wasn't there a big tease that time doesn't work the same way, so when we "return" things might be very different? If we're canonically meant to go back and forth surely you'd notice something, unless any time blip happens overnight
unborn glacier
No
Time is perceived differently in the Shadowlands, as Time is not something that really exists in the realm of Death
pulsar minnow
wasn't there a big tease that time doesn't work the same way, so when we "return...
Ion said it was bad wording on his part but there arent any time shenanigans
tropic trail
ah alright that makes sense ty
mossy meteor
jade basalt
Stonewright is confirmed to be a Night Warrior https://youtu.be/qpZBMrkvGao
mystic heart
mossy meteor
I did it
It was rough but i just had to be fast
And land near what'shername
And then go through the dialog
sonic flame
i have to ask this, idk why i haven't thought about it before
waht happens in the SL when someone dies? for example the one angel that anduin killed in the last cinematic
( sorry im not playing SL atm )
tropic trail
When you kill something in the Shadowlands you're obliterating it from existence
mossy meteor
And anduin didn't kill the "angel"
tropic trail
If you're truly killing it and not just dispersing it
mossy meteor
She's very much alive
And she's the leader of 1 of the 4 covenants
He merely stole her sigil, every leader has one
We're not sure what they do
But if the jailer collects all 5 then we're royally fucked
tropic trail
Likely they do something to empower the seals and wards that keep the Jailer bound to the Maw
So him getting all of them is a bad thing
grim canyon
Yeah the finale of the kyrian chapter is bugged sadly
i wouldn't say it's bugged, moreso that someone forgot to put a teleporter npc to bring you there if your not kyrian (Then again, the intended route is there should be someone regardless)
sonic flame
ok so sylvanas can actually die if we kill her in the raid
altough we don't know if we will kill her yet
i expect not, probably if it happens it will be at the end of SL
grim canyon
There likely wont be an ending transition in raid testing, so if you do get her down to 0, itll play a buggy death animation probably
uncut vault
Well, Sylvanas hasnt actually died yet, shes still technically a mortal
grim canyon
But the odds of that happening on a heroic difficulty, is near 0
uncut vault
plus, shes a banshee possessing her own body
keen cove
Anything new besides bug fixes in the hotfix?
pulsar minnow
<:didntlaugh:685569033507962930>
Its definitely not permanent
Pelagos eludes to Arthas' redemption at the end of the campaign
ancient adder
Pelagos eludes to Arthas' redemption at the end of the campaign
Oh, so Arthas has been reduced to Arthas x Uther smut bait
pulsar minnow
That's.... not at all what that means but okay
ancient adder
We all know it's coming.
They who shall not be named will get their little fingers on it.
dense plover
they updated the oribos skybox
the black maw parts no longer are super close to the tower
so you can now actually see pieces of the old skybox
the oribos portals have a fancier particle effect
maw portal thing updated too
sep shoulder mog finally working
faint bolt
Elune is her sister, not Eonar
Eonar made the Tear of Elune. So technically it's her tear as well. They're being ambiguous again.
pulsar minnow
Eonar made the Tear of Elune. So technically it's her tear as well. They're bein...
Eonar did not make the Tear of Elune
Elune did
pulsar minnow
Not the Tear of Elune
faint bolt
...the Pillars of Creation were made by the Titans.
The Tear of Elune is a Pillar of Creation.
faint bolt
I'm not gonna debate this, lol.
pulsar minnow
If you look on the Tear of Elune page nowhere is it stated Eonar made it
Additionally, the Disc of Norgannon wasn't even made by the Titans either. It was made by keepers.
faint bolt
That's because it's never clarified if Norgannon or Eonar made it. But seeing as Eonar is the titan of life, and the Tear of Elune is based around life, it goes to reason Eonar made it.
pulsar minnow
It's Elune's artifact. Not Eonar's. The Winter Queen literally calls it her sister's tear, which is Elune.
grim canyon
So there was a 60Mb mini-patch...
lean yew
anyone do chapter 6 and 7 of the campaign yet
grim canyon
Time to update wow ui source again xD
lean yew
any juicy lore spoilers
grim canyon
Cries in terminal
lean yew
also does the new maw portal look like a butthole to anyone else
cause that was my first thought
terse patrol
So wait.
If Elune made the Naaru
ugh
This makes no sense.
The implication here is Elune is part of the Life pantheon.
I think.
If so, how did she create the race of Light chandeliers?
cunning fossil
OMG SURVIVAL HUNTER CHANGES
(It's nothing)
(This was sarcasm. THe fact they're buffing Raptor strike and the talent that REPLACES it is just sad.
pulsar minnow
If so, how did she create the race of Light chandeliers?
That was just a guess from Khadgar. We don’t know if she actually made the Naaru.
terse patrol
I’m just kinda disappointed that Elune’s not a First One.
She always seemed above everything.
austere gazelle
I’m just kinda disappointed that Elune’s not a First One.
She was probably made into a first one.
She s an upstart's godess according to Xal.
Elune ascending into a First One explains many many things
tulip sun
I don't think it was ever a confirmed fact she created the naaru
austere gazelle
I don't think it was ever a confirmed fact she created the naaru
Her Tear awaken Xe'ra. There is at least a link
And once again , Blizzard is not subtle. If they wrote this suggestion then she probably did create them.
tulip sun
I don't remember it at all
austere gazelle
Remember what ? ^^
Tbh if blizzard wrote in a quest that Elune created the naaru during the ordering of the cosmos, even as a kadghar supposition , its then likely the case. They wouldnt throw this out randomly
strange falcon
vernal magnet
no enhancement buffs 😦
I guess they must be next after arms and survival.... right?
faint bolt
any juicy lore spoilers
They're in the lore forum of the WoW forums
I tried to summarize it, piecing together what was said. Could be wrong though. I haven't seen anyone do the Maldraxxus or Venthyr campaign yet.
Kyrian: ||Uther is redeemed with your help, and ascends as a Kyrian. Kyrestia now offers Kyrian a choice if they want to discard their memories. Her right-hand is made a Paragon to replace Devos.||
Night Fae: ||Khaliiq from Maldraxxus and the Harvester of Wrath from Revendreth are revealed to be the other former two Night Warriors. Together with Qadarin, they extract the power of Elune from Tyrande. Tyrande tells Shandris that she was "as much a witness" to the Night Warrior as hers, essentially that Elune was using her body. The Winter Queen tells Shandris that there are plans for the souls of the Night Elves, and Elune told Tyrande the same thing, but they don't say what.||
And one other revelation about the Jailer: ||He has shards of everyone's soul that was killed by Frostmourne, including Sylvanas. Which PERSONALLY I'm suspecting will be a big reveal she was never "working" for the Jailer, but was forced into servitude for her soul fragment.||
silent urchin
Ran into a dreadlord in torghast. An elite mob transformed on pull into a dreadlord, which had about twice the hp and did way more damage
strange falcon
did he say "surprise!"
austere gazelle
Just hope they wont put the " Dreadlord surprise everywhere " cause it'll become boring
if everything or everyone is a dreadlord ... I mean, it'll be getting old very fast
faint bolt
I mean
It's literally part of the patch
That the Dreadlords have infiltrated the Shadowlands
silent urchin
Did have a stronger than average anima drop though
I think equivalent to a rare, but otherwise no unique option
faint bolt
In b4 Ve'nari is a Dreadlord and that's what all the brokers hav e been trying to tell us, and Ve'nari is the final boss of the xpac 😂
austere gazelle
not sure about that, she do help us thwart the Jailer's plan hard, including his eye
faint bolt
Maybe Denathrius gave her a job to do because he knew Zovaal would betray him
strange falcon
Yeah, for the patch.
i mean,the entire gimmick of the court of stars dungeon was finding the dreadlord disguising as a normal guy
even in blackrook hold final boss you had a dreadlord disguising as a normal guy
strange falcon
Just hope they wont put the " Dreadlord surprise everywhere " cause it'll become...
its not a new concept
silent urchin
I hope they improve the "efficient looting" torghast talent before live, right now it just does a standard loot command, which means it switches your target briefly to the dead thing that gets looted, and also does it mid combat and pops the loot window up and blocks stuff
trim niche
Hello, i've seen this screenshot on a discord with no sources about it. Do you have any clue ?
strange falcon
Weve come to the conclusion it was mostly a copypaste error because the build was supposed to be live yesterday
Since it was removed from the post after a few minutes
trim niche
Since it was removed from the post after a few minutes
I see, thanks :)
terse patrol
I tried to summarize it, piecing together what was said. Could be wrong though. ...
Guess I was right all along about the third thing. Vindication!
pulsar minnow
Guess I was right all along about the third thing. Vindication!
Well not really. It’s specifically stated by Thenios that when someone is struck down by a Mourneblade with pure hatred and malice towards an individual, it has a change to break their soul into fragments. There’s no specific indication that Sylvanas’ soul was broken, but even then it wouldn’t make her subservient to the Jailer automatically
But it still could absolutely be the case
terse patrol
Yeah, but like Uther it’d probably strip her of part of herself.
And Arthas 100% struck her down with hatred because she gave him tons of shit up until he killed her.
So, with her likely good qualities taken from her, it allowed her to stew in her hate.
pulsar minnow
I’m just less inclined to believe it because we never really saw her soul get split, and I couldn’t find any fragment of her soul in that chamber. Which is where you’d expect it to be since it’s basically all Quel’thalas people
terse patrol
This’ll be how Blizzard tries to redeem her. By giving her back her good qualities held by the Jailer.
terse patrol
Yeah, but remember. blizzard likely only thought of the soul split idea recently.
Plus
Why would they spoil her soul being split at the start of BFA?
With the Warbringers flashback
pulsar minnow
True. I just think that if they knew they were gonna do this next expansion, they might’ve had at least a bit of a hint towards it
terse patrol
After she power slid into Arthas.
Blizzard plans the base story ahead of time. I doubt they write up the nitty gritty until they’re working on the expansion.
pulsar minnow
Imagine the fragment inside Kingsmourne isn’t actually Arthas but Sylvanas
Then boom, Anduin Sylvanas Romance
terse patrol
So, the soul split was likely a later development by Blizzard.
pulsar minnow
It’s always been kind of an idea since Frostmourne “scars the soul” or whatever. But yeah this is definitely the first expansion they actually elaborated on it
terse patrol
So, seems like to me Sylvanas will be defeated, we’ll probably imprison her after she’s abandoned by the Jailer.
Then fuse her soul back together.
grim canyon
Its very likely testing will come next week, seeing as atm, after the mount fix, the build is running very stable.
tropic trail
Yeah
Not to mention that, now that the chapters are all out
We can really get into the Testing and Korthia updates
copper sluice
Looks like the Timewalking weekly loot is bumped to 226 in 9.1. Will be nice for alt catchup.
unborn glacier
Looks like the Timewalking weekly loot is bumped to 226 in 9.1. Will be nice for...
The 5 TW dungeon quests has always given Normal Raid lvl loot
sonic flame
do we know anything of tyrande after the cinematic in which she kills nathanos?
uncut vault
Quite a lot 😛 I assume you havent been playing shadowlands?
She jumps headfirst into the rift into the Maw to go and try to kill Sylvanas, Shandris and the player try to get her out but fail because she's hellbent on it even if the power inside of her kills her
Player rescues the souls of the nelfs who died at teldrassil, and put together a big plan to try and draw the power out of Tyrande to save her
which leads into 9.1 where she has two very notable cinematics
mossy dome
Do we know if the new mythic plus system is bind on account or not
Because lets be real the REAL point of io is to get away with being undergeared on alts
strange falcon
Because lets be real the REAL point of io is to get away with being undergeared ...
i mean,you cant do that with the raider.io addon,unless you dont register your alts i think
and if you dont register your alts it doesnt show your alts score
mossy dome
You can register alts and they will show your mains score alongside their own
mossy dome
But no one cares
Main io is basically all thats considered alongside ilevel
And having a purple main io means you will be accepted into groups at the 7-10 level at a much lower ilevel
strange falcon
i mean,you can still use the addon,its not like the ingame one replaces the raider.io addon xd
i skip the entire issue because i run with guildies so i dont even know what my io is
mossy dome
The point of the add on is a social credit score, doesnt matter if youre using it if no one else is
strange falcon
social credit score has way more flaws than it has benefits.. i mean ||look at china,it's a dumpster fire of a system||
👀
mossy dome
Having a main io is necessary in judging the competency of a player
If a 195 wants to join your 10 with no io its very different than a purple io main doing the same
Its necessary information to the group leader
strange falcon
im the most not elitist person in the world,and i wouldnt bring a 195 to a +10
thats too low
mossy dome
Its really not though
ancient jasper
Darn and here I was hoping for a Blingtron this patch
strange falcon
i dont doubt you can still clear the dungeon with a 195,but i personally would land it more in the lands of a carry with that ilvl
mossy dome
I like how standards change over a patch cycle tbh
I did a 10 in sub 180 at the expac start
That was just acceptable
strange falcon
i remember when 910ilvl was catchup gear
strange falcon
I did a 10 in sub 180 at the expac start
weird flex but ok
mossy dome
Its no less doable, assuming you have proof that you can
strange falcon
again,i didnt doubt it WASNT doable,i just wouldnt attempt it in my groups
you have people doing 30 balance druids beat all bosses in HC nathria of course all kinds of shit are possible
mossy dome
The bottom line, without having some sort of proof your main is better, you are indistinguishable from a new player
Thats not helpful to anyone
strange falcon
sure,i understand the playerbase's need to filter the shit players from the good players
but any system that has been cooked up so far is full of flaws regardless
from raider.io to ilvl to gearscore
to linking curve etc
it is the same argument as "entry level job requires 10 years of experience"
im sure you've seen the many memes about it
mossy dome
The only reason I personally care about io score is for convenience, not to actually care about it
strange falcon
"how do i get experience" "by doing the raid" "then let me do the raid" "no you have no experience"
mossy dome
Yeah but its akin to only being able to post your last jobs experience, but not the job where you were senior level 25+ years experience
strange falcon
im not specifically criticising raider.io as a system,im talking about the way people use it
because raider.io is a tool made with good intentions
its how it is used that can cause problems and gatekeeping and etc
mossy dome
I never liked the concept of needing to do every dungeon
I really want to just do one weekly 15 on whatever key i get
strange falcon
i've seen ppl argue "you need to do every dungeon because what if you're good at the mechanics of 1 dungeon,but you fuck up all the mechanics in another,then your high score is a scam" etc etc
mossy dome
But you gotta find that SPECIFIC dungeon or you wont get the cute purple-auto invite color
Yeah but thats not how it translates in reality tbh
strange falcon
Yeah but thats not how it translates in reality tbh
when,ever does something translate to reality exactly as it was intended tho
mossy dome
I think it would just be best for Blizzard to keep their nose out of it
If io score matters to you, you have io
grim canyon
Plus the systems already in the game on the ptr, no going back now unless there was a majority uproar about it
Which seeing tbc classics...controversial aditions, make the odds of an uproar near impossible.
unborn glacier
i mean,you can still use the addon,its not like the ingame one replaces the raid...
I hope it does actually. Kill it
vocal flint
so are the shoulder mog still worked on or did they gave up yet
dense plover
Yeah I posted a pic yesterday
It’s fully functional. You can’t test it in the dressing room in game but ya know
mossy meteor
new build added voice lines for this guy
voice line too
treasure that i can't figure out how to acess
indigo vigil
Hey, I have a legitimate question:
Why do people hate Torghast so much? Both the current iteration and the current build of Torghast 2.0 on the PTR?
I understand that not everyone is a fan of roguelikes like me, but I personally genuinely enjoy Torghast to the point where if I'm bored and don't really want to do anything else, I'll just do a casual Layer 8 solo run just to see what stupid power combinations I can get
Also do we have any info on the Adamant Vaults?
uncut vault
Hey, I have a legitimate question:
Why do people hate Torghast so much? Both the...
Torghast kind of got to a point where its boring, and not really something you lose, which was intentional by blizzard due to the reward structure. But you can still have fun, take your time, go crazy in it
new one with the score system, particularly the ones based on time and streaks, make it so that you're pushed into rushing through it to try and unlock the next layer
and the torments are something pretty much universally hated in beta, brought back in smaller irritating forms as mythic+ affixes
mossy meteor
the new system is ehhh
silent urchin
Adamant vaults requires a tier 3 talent to unlock
mossy meteor
doesn't seem very "fun"
silent urchin
so you need about 400+ tower knowledge for it
I got 88 when I went up to layer 11, so it's not too bad
mossy meteor
i mean fun is subjective but this doesn't seem too rewarding
what players want is cool shit
not this stuff where you can fail
silent urchin
but then that character fell through the world and now DCs on login so I didn't actually get all the way to unlocking the vault
mossy meteor
i'm lowkey hoping they add more powers but that's doubtful
the current powers on some classes aren't very interesting
silent urchin
My feelings on torghast are mainly that it's lengthy, repetitive, and relatively unrewarding after I got the legendarys I actually care about
indigo vigil
new one with the score system, particularly the ones based on time and streaks, ...
See, here's my opinion about the new score system:
As someone who enjoys that feeling of pushing myself to do better, I enjoy having a physical metric to compare myself to. Furthermore, when it comes to unlocking layers, you're only going to need to actually push to unlock layers like... What, 4 times? since they added layers 9-12? Since they made layers unlock for every alt and every wing now. So it's a mild chore that you push yourself to do a few times and then never worry about it again, like raising your raider.io. Could it be a lot better? Yes. Do I understand that a lot of players don't share my opinions? Yes. But that's my take.
silent urchin
also in 9.0.5 they toned down the best powers for my class and now the powers largely all feel irrelevant
mossy meteor
maybe it's just my low expectations as my prot pala is almost 210 but
some of the stuff takes a lot of time to kill and you can actually die
i didn't die because prot pala..
if you die as a prot pala, as ion would say
indigo vigil
Also, yeah, normal Torghast could be better as a repeat activity once you get your BiS leggos to max
mossy meteor
"that's a skill issue"
silent urchin
so far it doesn't
indigo vigil
mossy meteor
TC is also super underwhelming
indigo vigil
IDK I really enjoyed TC
mossy meteor
not very inspiring
indigo vigil
But I also got Layer 8 done after like 3 days so
mossy meteor
the cosmetics aren't worth it
uncut vault
The score isnt inherently bad, but tying it to timed content and adding in annoying debuffs that come as a whole isnt really the route to go
silent urchin
as far as unlocking layers goes, if you clear every floor 100% it seeems almost impossible to not get 4 stars
indigo vigil
cosmetics aren't worth it
I disagree but subjective opinions
uncut vault
I wish theyd put more effort into the end of floor bosses instead
mossy meteor
@indigo vigil they're underwhelming that is
silent urchin
it's very unclear how the score is actually scored, though
uncut vault
have them interact with debuffs and the like
mossy meteor
one more shadehound reskin,
mossy meteor
@silent urchin check the article
in #latest-news
they did a breakdown of the score system
silent urchin
oh
indigo vigil
Bruh I'm literally trying to post the relevant WoWHead article
uncut vault
Nobbel talked about it on twitter, blizz missed a really big opportunity to integrate lore into Torghast, by having the end bosses be generic instead of actual lore characters we've killed and sent to the maw
silent urchin
I hadn't read that yet
indigo vigil
uncut vault
integrate their mechanics into the run instead of just generic irritating ones
silent urchin
Wait when did they add the details to the UI
mossy meteor
i didnt even see my stats at the end
indigo vigil
Nobbel talked about it on twitter, blizz missed a really big opportunity to inte...
Yeah but if Blizzard did that, players would be pissed that the aforementioned lore characters were just shoved to the side as Torghast bosses
mossy meteor
it came up and it went away in the same second
uncut vault
its better than not existing at all 😛
but also on the cosmetic note, that I think is a big reason theres not much motivation either
torghast proper is all about gameplay necessity, so it feels more like a chore, and twisting corridors only has four rewards which are all pretty underwhelming
mossy meteor
they keep trying to recreate mage tower in a way but meh
uncut vault
it very easily could have been this xpacs mage tower with some proper challenge to it and flashy incentives
rather than just painfully long
mossy meteor
and current torghast is nothing like a "rogue-like"
or even inspired rogue-like gameplay
indigo vigil
IDK, I got Mail Muncher and Faceless One in 8.3 for the same reason that I pushed for the Maw Mount and the Spirestalker title:
It was actually pretty damn hard without a group (was only able to solo to about Layer 6 with good gear and optimal play, and even that was mostly luck) and I wanted to be able to flex on people that I could do it.
Sometimes I feel like players should be more willing to motivate themselves to do things instead of doing it just for a reward.
dusty trellis
I have an idea for a super op torghast ability. You get the power of all 4 covenants for the run
uncut vault
usually those rewards are the thing to flex on people with, and that right to flex is a reward incentive in itself
mossy meteor
while i was on floor 14+
uncut vault
like, the black proto drake is an ugly ass model
but it is also insanely rare and a cool thing to pull out to show your achievement from back in the day
mossy meteor
the maw mount is nothing worth flexing yeah
uncut vault
would people care about that nearly as much if it was just an achieve?
mossy meteor
it's pretty lame
indigo vigil
IDK I kinda love it, but I also am a general fan of the Maw aesthetic and the shadehound design
mossy meteor
i like the zone
it's cool to do it, watch where you're going etc
dailies/weeklies are so-so
indigo vigil
I can see why it could be considered underwhelming when you compare it to other mounts like the Flametalon of Alysrazor or Ashes
mossy meteor
perdition hold was okay but i did it on prot pala
so it's hard but not that hard
i imagine it's terrible on clothies
or leathers
(apart from maybe bears)
uncut vault
I love the maw aesthetic too, but like, in passing you literally cannot differentiate between the TC mount and the rare drop one
indigo vigil
Also, like Porter said, even if the mount itself is unimpressive, the effort you had to go through to get it is what makes it a flex
mossy meteor
beastwarrens is kinda cool
feel like they should've made it accessible before perdition
indigo vigil
I mean, the rare drop one is also like a stupid 1% drop rate or something iirc
So they're both a flex for different reasons
mossy meteor
i did the crafted one
indigo vigil
Oh right I totally forgot they added that
uncut vault
honestly that one impresses me more lol, it has a distinct color compared to the other two, and takes a hell of a lot more time and patience
indigo vigil
TBH I still haven't bothered to do much Venari rep grinding
mossy meteor
and i got lucky with some spawns so i finished setting up the farm in an hour/two
and then i sporadically did the actual farming of the thingies
took me a few days of beastwarrens farming
indigo vigil
takes a hell of a lot more time and patience
Layer 8 Twisting isn't exactly a cakewalk either though.
mossy meteor
in a group i imagine it's easy
indigo vigil
You'd be surprised
My Layer 7 and 8 runs were in groups and we were struggling with good gear and powers
We literally went to Tarragrue levels of deaths on the final boss and barely beat it
Once you get to about floor 13 in Twisting is when the actual run begins, Floors 1-12 are really easy and are mostly just good for fishing for powers
Example:
The fucking Mawsworn Seekers can literally one shot entire parties if no one kicks/CCs the howl
I lost at least 3 runs to Floor 18 bosses that had mechanics that normally are tiny amounts of forced group damage that were amplified to literal one shots
Twisting is no fucking joke
Although now as I say this I'm wondering if Twisting will get easier with the new systems...
silent urchin
Yeah the bosses on twisting can be incredibly variable
first layer 8 one I had I got very few in the way of HP upgrades during the run, got warden skoldus who would do something like 140k physical per hit if I let a rats cast go through
second time I took literally every hp upgrade I could find, had over 450k hp, and I got the healing tree that does basically no damage
indigo vigil
I think the worst bosses to see in Twisting are Patrician Cromwell and that one Devourer boss
strange falcon
What is @indigo vigil doing here
strange falcon
Hey, I have a legitimate question:
Why do people hate Torghast so much? Both the...
So,for this question,you have to consider some circumstances,
• everyone was forced to do it(remember this word: no matter how little ) for their legendary
• there is absolutely no risk on your life because blizzard didn't want a "mandatory" activity to be harder than LFR because muh fragile ego.
• with there being no risk combined with some classes powers being uninspired and possibly even getting bad runs with powers,you get what people call "snoreghast"
• with there being no difficulty in normal torghast,higher geared ppl complain its too easy and lower geared ppl complain its a chore and snoreghast
• i did "prenerf" layer 8,back when the elites became immune to interrupt at 10 stacks,and i think that was very fun in a group, but i could definitely see how it would become excruciating on weekly runs doing it more than once
And people were already complaining
"I had no problems,its a skill issue"
"REEE i cant make my legendary bwcause towghawst too haawddd and im shit and also refuse to not play solo"
@indigo vigil
Idk about twisting i did all 8 layers solo,but i think theres something missing in it,also we have to remember that roguelike is not the genre of the game this is a subsystem, a sort of minigame, so it has had nowhere near the devtime put into it as an actual roguelike where 90% of devtime is put into incentives to continue doing runs after you die
tiny stream
Riding the chains to torghast curious to see what will happen. The chain textures just changed.
Progress update: We've left the shadowlands map....lol
Skybox despawned
Random box
And it's broken
So we made it to the end of the chains. After roughly 10 minutes of moving forward we hit the edge of the chains
Torghast sky box
The edge of Torghast is so pretty
strange falcon
@tiny stream not to discredit your achievement but the bald one already showed it on stream,chains go nowhere neither up or down,but you can reach revendreth from the maw with a glider,which is P cool
tiny stream
I'm sure, but I still really enjoyed this. (But also that's SO COOL)
And it wasn't hard at all. It was just really cool to explore the game like that.
strange falcon
you can also reach the new broker dungeon from ardenweald @tiny stream
tiny stream
I heard!!
strange falcon
all 4 zones including the maw and oribos are all in the same map,the only caveat is that most of the time they're too far away to realistically go there
tiny stream
I think Ion said it would take 30-40 minutes to fly between them?
strange falcon
they are very far apart,and i think the flightpath you take from oribos is going at like 6000% mount speed
but dont quote me on that i dont have proof
usually you find these things on self-hosted servers where you can have GM powers and fly without fatigue,
that's also how they found that the draenei and blood elf starting zones are respectively reachable(not with ingame means) by flying off from shadowmoon valley and hellfire peninsula respectively
silent urchin
It's pretty fast, if you have an addon to show movement speed you can see it
definitely in the thousands
There are invisible walls and so on too
opaque dune
You'd be surprised
Just do it on a fire mage. I killed the last boss on floor 18 of layer 8 without it even hitting the ground. Course, the fire blast knockoff has been nerfed since then, but everything else hasnt been
silent urchin
Ok, got myself the talent for adamant vaults, lets see if I can actually get a rank 5 clear now
I did get one before the talent
silent urchin
Fancy, the end portal goes red https://i.imgur.com/fSvqSEZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tB8dkjX.jpg filled with the new maw mobs
getting a lot of the "Torghast reward placeholder" item
that can also come from the dreadlords
strange falcon
that's definitely going to be inspiration for a maw-style bar
tropic trail
So reading all the updates, playing Balance Druid on Nightfae is pretty much a waste now ? Should I switch to Kyrian?
silent urchin
very unfinished new trap thing, goes slowly along the tracks
https://i.imgur.com/GDbkmwb.jpeg floor 7 has a broker
https://i.imgur.com/MrB16ab.jpg not a boss, apparently, the blessing for non boss elites applies to it
Although plenty of the cages on the wall that I expect mobs to pour out of, they contained some on floor 6
https://i.imgur.com/gXGOI7a.jpeg behind view
uh no that seems like it was it, he dropped 5g
the cages just had ashen phylacterys in
https://i.imgur.com/F6wizUX.jpeg bonus shot looking down
No extra exp or anything either, just the placeholder drops from elites so far
I assume they'll add more of a reward later
although probably not too much of one, once you get all the talents and new gear it won't be that hard to get 5 star
Hmm, there's an achievement for it that I didn't get, just saw a video on reddit where they did get it
they also did have an actual boss at the end
strange falcon
i mean these new floors like a lot better and less claustrophobic than most torghast ones
except the fire one i think,i didnt like the tight corridors design of most torghast wings,
mossy meteor
@silent urchin that looks very much like the new instance area for uther's questline
im exploring around the zones while flying
looking for potential hidden stuff
but nothing so far
just that revendreth was a lot bigger
there's a lot of crumbled areas in the south
silent urchin
Not done uther's yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same assets
silent urchin
Pretty much. I believe there's a few named mobs people found with what you could access already, but don't think they do anything
mossy meteor
i found a few maw mirros in revendreth which i believe are teleports to the maw when the venthyr assault is up
but they dont work
and they are in weird locations
silent urchin
the venthyr assault is up, final boss has 4 mirrors which send you to various random islands, you have to click one of the light reflecting mirrors in each spot and redirect it through the teleport mirror
strange falcon
did they put that there to prevent ppl from gliding to the broker dungeon?
silent urchin
Probably just for flying in general
silent urchin
that's part of the dailies from the night fae transportation upgrades
grim canyon
did they put that there to prevent ppl from gliding to the broker dungeon?
Yes.
There's also a LOT more invisible walls surrounding it too
mossy meteor
ardenweald lost a lot of their realm
i wonder if there's a way, lorewise, to reclaim some of your realm
from the in-between
like
they didnt spend development resources making a lot of areas that you can't access
located just outside of the mainland
silent urchin
judging by the crumbling bridges in revendreth, a lot of that has gone too
grim canyon
Bastion had a route to get to maldraxxus
But thats also patched by more invisible walls
unborn glacier
He's been there since beta
mossy meteor
ionic terrace
strange falcon
Pad is back 👀
cunning fossil
Who is pax
mossy meteor
@ionic terrace 
mossy meteor
upper edge
is the patch being released this month or June?
strange falcon
we have no release date
upper edge
ok good lol
thick saddle
February 30th
mossy meteor
june 31st
grim canyon
May the 4th gang rise up
unborn glacier
its still May 2nd, ya goofball
sonic cave
dense plover
im just letting you know for the future
austere gazelle
is the patch being released this month or June?
I'd say early june at this stade. Ptr is a small mess ( defo had imprvement though ) but the raid testing has not resumed yet which is concerning
upper edge
I'd say early june at this stade. Ptr is a small mess ( defo had imprvement thou...
Ah as I expected
pure obsidian
Is survival hunter good in 9.1? Anyone tested the buffs ?
strange falcon
dont think the buffs made them "top of the top best meta spec" but im sure they helped a bit
cunning fossil
It has
I believe it's a 5 to 7% increase for ST
So they're a bit better...but I still want a rework
unborn glacier
I hope the next build drops some bm tweeks
cunning fossil
Same here but for SV
Gimme my rework
...or.literally anything interesting
MM for now.feels great
past ginkgo
I'd be fine with surv if it at least felt inspired
They should just delete the spec
It's never fit with hunter
cunning fossil
Big no on that chief
I do agree that it feels uninspired rn
But I wouldn't delete it
unborn glacier
Same here but for SV
So got its buffs
unborn glacier
They should just delete the spec
Big true
cunning fossil
So got its buffs
I want rework. It made it a bit better but it still needs some cohesion
Also no don't delete fuck that
mossy meteor
New ptr build soon? Ish
Twitter
Systems designer, maybe we get the dungeon and some actual raid testing
dense plover
if at all, probably tomorrow
past ginkgo
I really don't think there's any thing about survival that couldn't just be baked into BM / MM. Building a spec around traps just doesn't work for WoW, and I don't know what else Survival is supposed to be
All hunters are some flavor of "survival"
dense plover
survival is traps and melee
terse patrol
Tuesday newsday
dense plover
in classic, it used to be about parrying and using that parry to do stuff, but that doesnt really create a consistent gameplay loop for activities like dungeons and raids
realistically, survival could be about debuffing your enemies while damaging them in melee
unborn glacier
I really don't think there's any thing about survival that couldn't just be bake...
Wrath Survival was peak for the spec
dense plover
and then dodging out of melee to let your pet do stuff
unborn glacier
Weaving in and out of melee, traps, etc
dense plover
ideally, they could make survival hunter sorta like red mage
half ranged, half melee
or even 60/40 melee ranged
make disengage a cooldown that can be reset when a trap is activated
then reduce the trap cooldowns through range attacks
and have the traps use a resource that is generated over time or maybe through melee attacks
grim canyon
New ptr build soon? Ish
Seeing how this build has been very stable, odds are very good for a tuesday release 😄
grim canyon
They most likely have to do testing this or next week to not get too far behind
grim canyon
But they can't have anything screw up between now and tomorrow
One critical issue can easily push it back still
mossy meteor
yup
thick saddle
But they can't have anything screw up between now and tomorrow
Great, you probably jinxed it now xD
tropic trail
Are druids a dead class now with the nerf coming ?
uncut vault
probably not entirely, they arent top tier anymore but they also have that beginning of xpac luster that never really wears off
the mindset of "this class is OP" sticks for a while, look at MM hunter
young latch
OH HEY I WAS RIGHT. Elune is the winter queen's sister.
(This makes way more sense to me than it being a Titan)
balmy gate
If Winter Queen is part of the pantheon of Death. Is Elune part of the Pantheon for Light? Maybe An'she is another part of the Pantheon of Light?
🤔
unborn glacier
An'she is not a different entity
young latch
If Winter Queen is part of the pantheon of Death. Is Elune part of the Pantheon...
nobody really knows
terse patrol
Elune is likely part of the Life pantheon.
And perhaps ascended to becoming a First One type entity.
Since Blizzard describes her as WoW’s closest thing to a god.
strange hedge
Based on ptr any dps ranking so far
grim canyon
Based on ptr any dps ranking so far<:qy:293202996286717952>
Likely wont be one, bc Blizz can very easily change between ptr and release, making the ranking completly useless and a major time waste for those who work on putting that together.
cunning fossil
^^^
ionic terrace
looks like ptr went down
unborn glacier
And perhaps ascended to becoming a First One type entity.
This. It would line up with Xalathath calling her an "upstart Goddess"
terse patrol
@unborn glacier It also explains why people across the universe worship her.
unborn glacier
Yee
terse patrol
Yet nobody among the living worships any of the pantheons. Azeroth is a unique example.
Since its mortals didn’t arise naturally, but were instead created via a curse on the Titan’s creations.
Thus they were around to see the existence of their creators.
So, the pantheons seem to keep to themselves.
This is why we never heard of the death pantheon until we entered their realm.
The Emerald Dream is likely a border dimension that potentially leads to the realms of Life.
Created by the Titans.
unborn glacier
Since its mortals didn’t arise naturally, but were instead created via a curse o...
Pandas? Trolls? Tauren/Yaungol?
terse patrol
We’re unsure as to the origins of the Yaungol. However
We do know the trolls evolved from lesser animals who congregated around the Well of Eternity (aka the pit full of Azeroth blood.)
The trolls left the well.
Some returned, however, and continued to evolve until they became the Highborne.
So, I wouldn’t call Trolls naturally occuring.
@unborn glacier
Pandaren are rumored to originate from an Ancient.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tauren too were not created by some bull Ancient.
dense plover
the original tauren race whatever they were, were azeroth natives
yaungol diverisifed because of where they lived
oh hold on
yaungol are the originals
"Sometime between 12,200-12,000 years before the opening of the Dark Portal, the burly race known as the yaungol roamed central Kalimdor, living in peace with nature under the tutelage of the demigod Cenarius. Eventually, however, the yaungol grew weary of having to share their hunting grounds with the nearby trolls, and, against Cenarius' wishes, journeyed south in search of new territory."
terse patrol
Ye. However. All we know is they “existed.”
If they were prowling around with Cenarius, my guess is their originator was likely another ancient.
unborn glacier
The yaungol helped the Pandaren overthrow the mogu
terse patrol
Except
unborn glacier
This was before the Tauren
terse patrol
Murlocs come from Gorlocs, which are supposedly originated from an Ancient Frog.
@dense plover
Basically all the sapient species on Azeroth originate from Titans or Wild Gods.
unborn glacier
The Pandaren are rumored to have evolved from raccoons
unborn glacier
dense plover
maybe give it another 30 min or so
uncut vault
Hopefully we'll see the final campaign chapter today
silent urchin
hopefully they fix the non-kyrian part of the previous one so people stop complaining about it every 2 seconds on the PTR chat
unborn glacier
Hopefully BM tweeks 
austere gazelle
I switched to Kyrian to finish it xD
silent urchin
I just brute forced it
austere gazelle
I tried too but after like... 20 attempts I gaveup
silent urchin
stun doesn't stop you if you dismount at the right time and land right next to the quest dude
crisp steeple
build?
dense plover
yes
strange falcon
Peach havin that gamer moment whenever that chonky patch comes out
unborn glacier
Mmmm big build?
dense plover
realms still down tho
"558 added 6944 modified 122 removed"
waiting for wow.tools to have the full build
then ill post my findings
unborn glacier
Hoping for some BM fun :<
dense plover
still a good chunk of functionality not implemented across the maw
looks like the raid map or minimap is in
strange falcon
@dense plover when the build is more than 1GB in size
https://youtu.be/wr6H7W9Z_oE
dense plover
lol