#beta-ptr-spoilers | Wowhead: World of Warcraft (WoW) | Page 588

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:12 PM

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But live isn’t fun :/

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Subjective.

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Everything is subjective

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I'm sorry, I didn't know I was reading the forums

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Lmao y'all are a joke sometimes

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Go play League

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Where the heck did that come from. League isnt fun either lol

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:15 PM

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@tropic trail you okay buddy? need to talk to someone? lol

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Me? I'm fine. You're the delusional doomers here who can't be happy with anything

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:15 PM

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imagine getting angry at a conversation

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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If you don't like the game go play another one

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Dude just because someone doesn’t enjoy the same thing as you doesn’t mean they’re “delusional” or a “doomer”

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I like the game. Just don’t like it’s current state

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Then you don't like the game

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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your blizzard check is in the mail mate

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people love the game thats why they critic it. not blindly follow like some brainless twat

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I provide constructive criticism and make reports like a normal person instead of bitching and coming up with make believe scenarios about time travel to fix problems that aren't problems khadgarface

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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theres a difference between hating and not liking where the ride is going

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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tropic trail I provide constructive criticism and make reports like a normal person instead o...

You do realize we were joking about that right

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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You don't know critique, you know bitching and think it's critique

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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The time travel that is

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:18 PM

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lol

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star citizen mentality right there

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:20 PM

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“By the time star citizen comes out I’ll be a Star Senior Citizen.“ Saw that somewhere and found it funny but also so true :(

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:22 PM

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the star citizen fan will defend the game to no end. without question or critical thought

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ignoring the fact that half the team has changed and the creator is literally selling his soul to keep it going

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same deal here. this mastermind rather choose to defend the game without any critical thought in his head than have a civil conversation. thinks that people complaining = hating. when its the exact opposite. if we didnt give a shit we would " go and play some other game" d

now for the " give advice to blizzard " do you honestly think they give a shit? they have been yelled howled and begged at for years. they think they know better and they will only roll over and beg when the subs start going down.

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I think Blizz has been listening more this expansion, I just think the main issue boils down to just lack of different things to do every week. Personally I’m just tired of doing the same thing every week. I’m super psyched for 9.1 though because of Sanctum of Domination, Tazavesh, and the anima boosts in Korthia.

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Just right now live is painful and I just don’t want to play it until next patch.

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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yeah they are listening cuz the subs are going down again hahaha

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Unfortunately I guess that’s just how it’s gonna be lol

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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ff14 has a new expancion coming in like a month and a half

obsidian turtle Apr 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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ff14 🤢

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:31 PM

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its gona eclipse wow 9.1 massively

obsidian turtle Apr 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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not a chance

pulsar minnow Apr 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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I can’t get into FF14. I don’t know what it is. Just can’t

obsidian turtle Apr 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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people who want to play ff14 are already playing ff14

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not wow

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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shrug gameplay is much slower

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half my guild literally quit after ksm and aotc ~_~ are currently taking refuge in ff14 lol can imagine its the same for other guilds

strange falcon Apr 25, 2021, 6:44 PM

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pulsar minnow I can’t get into FF14. I don’t know what it is. Just can’t

look,i played FF14 for around 3months ish because everyone wouldnt shut up about it between 8.1 and 8.3, shadowbringers expac,
while wow heavily caters to pve/pvp players and leaves rp players in the dust, FF14 does the exact opposite, rp players have it all and pve and pvp players have tiny amounts of content, the "content that i enjoy doing" after you finish main story quests at max lvl dries up quicker than classic wow,
and yes i know theres ppl who play it everyday and never even entered a raid,that's RPers,for what i like doing,there is abysmally low content,the Nier collab was P cool tho

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also the mog is a lot more "casual clothes you'd wear irl" and most of the glams for actual battle

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look kinda dogshit

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the combat is a lot slower i do agree on that point,but in the higher levels you can fill that "slow" gcd time with off gcd abilities,so at max lvl it's bearable

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i personally do not think ff's and wow's playerbase overlap much if at all

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they cater to two completely different playerbases, and the systems and all the other stuff is so different between the two it's jarring going back and forth,also on that point,every single dungeon is just a story hallway/corridor,nothing like m+
you do dungeons for story not to do the actual dungeon, the raids are literal boss rushes,and the "wow raids" dont have any difficulty above normal which sucks

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:46 PM

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It's almost like they're two completely different games khadgarface

strange falcon Apr 25, 2021, 6:47 PM

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tropic trail It's almost like they're two completely different games <:khadgarface:2308351613...

but people keep comparing them like there MUST be one better than the other

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while they dont overlap that much

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 6:48 PM

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they are both mmos and thats usually good enough for em

obsidian turtle Apr 25, 2021, 6:48 PM

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people have been comparing wow to other mmos forever

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"the next wow killer"

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wont happen

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 6:48 PM

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strange falcon but people keep comparing them like there MUST be one better than the other

Well people don't really know what they want outside of dopamine injectors and handouts

strange falcon Apr 25, 2021, 7:03 PM

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and "people" referring to twitter are not a valid/Recognized source of information,just delete twitter as a place to get news

tulip sun Apr 25, 2021, 7:20 PM

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I really tried to get into FF14

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I just...can't.

tropic trail Apr 25, 2021, 7:21 PM

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JRPGs aren't for everyone, same for MMOJRPGs

tulip sun Apr 25, 2021, 7:22 PM

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The design and such just isn't for me

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 7:50 PM

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i like the world build. dont care for the gameplay tho

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even at its highest difficulty the global cooldowns are downright asinine and how aoe works angers me

unborn glacier Apr 25, 2021, 9:31 PM

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vocal flint i like the world build. dont care for the gameplay tho

Yup

vocal flint Apr 25, 2021, 10:12 PM

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dash abilities are a death trap and will get you killed more times than not lol.

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dash abilities pretty much make your hit box bigger until the animation is fully done

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so at one point you can have aoe in point A and dash to point B but still be hit by aoe cuz your animation still hasnt finnished

arctic pendant Apr 26, 2021, 12:21 AM

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yeah I looked into it but didnt play it after my friends kept telling me to try it and ditch WoW.

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Combat seems like shit

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I heard good things but the combat from what I'm hearing is what cant make me install and try it out.

uncut vault Apr 26, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Ive been playing it since the drought, leveling is definitely... rough, the classes are very slow especially non-casters

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but the way it tells story more than makes up for it

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so its more a matter of what you're interested in

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if I could have an MMO with the world and gameplay flow of WoW, but the storytelling of FFXIV or SWTOR, I'd be set for life

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 6:20 AM

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I agree storytelling is mostly gud,tho ARR and SB are definitely low points,
But thats how i took it,since there is so little content for what i like doing,
It literally was like a singleplayer game where you did the story and then that was kinda it

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 7:19 AM

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Yeah I dont see FFXIV as a direct concurrent of WoW since they are not the same " kind " of MMORPG, I tried to play it but.. that's not my thing

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On the other hand, the futur MMO of Riot Game though.... I can see them trying to stomp wow hard

They got the money
They got the Lore and BG
They got the playerbase
They can improve the MMO underlying current problems by doing a mobile part, thus, touching a wider playerbase

thick saddle Apr 26, 2021, 7:20 AM

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The obvious "similar" MMOs currently would be WoW vs SWTOR. Lot of similarities between the two. I think FFXIV is very different other than being a fantasy setting.

uncut vault Apr 26, 2021, 7:25 AM

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theyre similar in gameplay, but SWTORs story is pretty much totally opposite of WoWs

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SWTOR has you as an actual cahracter with agency and leans much more on the RPG side of things

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rather than how WoW pretty much justh as you as an empty vessel for story to be told through

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 7:51 AM

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SWTOR is SO different

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It is mass effect mmorpg style xD

thick saddle Apr 26, 2021, 7:59 AM

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uncut vault theyre similar in gameplay, but SWTORs story is pretty much totally opposite of ...

Gameplay, and UI are very similar. Just different skins in most cases. But yes, the way the story is done is very different.

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 8:24 AM

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austere gazelle On the other hand, the futur MMO of Riot Game though.... I can see them trying t...

making a game inherently with the thought of "wowkiller" and not "we just want to make a good game"
is always a recipe for failure from the start,and there is many many maaany examples of this

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the only games and in this case mmos that were able to be in any way successful were exactly the ones that werent advertised as "wow killers" and made a name on their own for having a good game

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also league is already a ||cancerous mass|| mostly due to its players,moving mmo to mobile is a big mistake imo

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 8:53 AM

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strange falcon also league is already a ||cancerous mass|| mostly due to its players,moving mmo...

That's why I think the Riot MMO won't be an Old gen mmo, but a new kind, as of now, the mobile is taking a huge part in video game industry, and not taking it into account with a new mmo will be a huge mistake. The key of an MMO is to keep player playing and make them have stuff to do, with a mobile you can keep up with your game progress almost anywhere. The players it'll reach would be insane. If they can make something successful that works, they'll sure take the lead into the market. They can fail though, like the others

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 8:54 AM

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even considering mobile also includes way way wayyyyyy too many limitations

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and the only thing you get out of it higher reach

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Think of MMO 2.0. a new kind of stuff that is not a wow copy pasta

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new feature, new way of playing etc

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something that'll match with our current game need

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 8:55 AM

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you can make a mobile mmo,but you cant make a "new mmo genre" thats also mobile imo

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 8:55 AM

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We'll see 😉

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A few years ago I wouldn't have thought they could put a mobile LoL, but they did

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 8:56 AM

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mobiles have too many limitations again,
you're intentionally not only handicapping yourself but also cutting off your legs

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LoL doesnt have much in terms of gameplay that isnt available to mobiles

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there was mobile lol clones literally a year after lol came out

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you have big limitations on graphics,spell effects,screensize,how many abilities you can have,the control scheme

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and the list just keeps going on

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you could make a 50page dissertation on it

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 8:58 AM

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Oh you misunderstood me or I did not explain it properly, when I said " mobile " I meant, feature available on mobile only that could make your char progress, not a full rendered game into the mobile

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thus you could still farm or do thing away from your computer

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:01 AM

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sounds like a glorified companion app like we already have

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:01 AM

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🙄

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:02 AM

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austere gazelle Oh you misunderstood me or I did not explain it properly, when I said " mobile "...

It's difficult to understand the ravings of a madman

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 9:03 AM

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tropic trail It's difficult to understand the ravings of a madman

Thank you I guess...
True, it's difficult to understand " They can improve the MMO underlying current problems by doing a mobile part, thus, touching a wider playerbase "

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I mean, not everyone went to school I guess

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:15 AM

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And some of us can understand the difficulty in adapting a system like that. Frankly, if it could be done easily and profitably then it would have been done by now

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And the majority of your "underlying problems" you're mentioning are subjective complaints

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:19 AM

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i dont think many people ever saw the "i have to be at the pc to play,that's such a massive problem" as an actual problem

dull flame Apr 26, 2021, 9:20 AM

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mmo's turned into industry

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look at ubitrashsoft

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single player game

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where you buy skins

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buy XP boosts

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they will litearly sell you anything at this point

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:21 AM

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that's not an mmo,it's called "live service"

dull flame Apr 26, 2021, 9:21 AM

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and its coming to mmo

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well its already here

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but blizz is still pretty soft

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look at black desert online

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where you need to spend 200€ to actualy get stuff you should have for free

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😄

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:21 AM

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well,if players dont fight back and make it clear it's not ok,then of course the companies are going to go as far as they can to make more money

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that's literally business 101

dull flame Apr 26, 2021, 9:21 AM

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we all fight

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but we also

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buy

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coz yea....

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you cant win

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:22 AM

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technically you can tbh,
people just like their escapism too much to actually take a stand collectively

dull flame Apr 26, 2021, 9:22 AM

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look at cyberpunk backfire

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so stupid

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but they add skins into wow shop

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nobody cares

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:23 AM

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you also have to account for "game company simps" that will defend it for you

dull flame Apr 26, 2021, 9:24 AM

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ppl have too high of expectations

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and if you deliver they gonna find new shit to cry about

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thats a world we live in

strange falcon Apr 26, 2021, 9:24 AM

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twitter was a mistake

mossy meteor Apr 26, 2021, 11:28 AM

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Good grief

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You turned a ptr channel into "other games" channel

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I need to dump some spoilers here later on to get back on track

vocal flint Apr 26, 2021, 12:18 PM

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snape dies

unborn glacier Apr 26, 2021, 3:06 PM

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strange falcon twitter was a mistake

Yuuuuuup

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 3:21 PM

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mossy meteor I need to dump some spoilers here later on to get back on track

I’ve got you covered. Khadgar is a Dreadlord

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And Azeroth is a First One. Discuss.

mossy meteor Apr 26, 2021, 3:21 PM

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very interesting spell names

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Looks like the Uther Scenario

mossy meteor Apr 26, 2021, 3:22 PM

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yeah

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andorhal or w/e

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Cant wait to play it. I assume we’ll be playing this mission from the side of Uther this time around

solar temple Apr 26, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Yay arthas gets back at uther

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I hope

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 3:24 PM

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I’m still pretty curious as to where Arthas will fit into the story from here on out. It doesn’t look like he’ll be in Torghast, and what we assume to be his model is encrypted so I doubt he’s in the next two chapters of the story

gilded kraken Apr 26, 2021, 5:33 PM

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have they posted an article about the new glad armor sets? those look so cool

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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uh - i dont think there are new gladiator sets yet

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pretty sure theyre placeholders right now

gilded kraken Apr 26, 2021, 6:06 PM

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damn those are cool placeholders then

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 6:18 PM

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could you link me one of the models/sets?

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 7:46 PM

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potential leak

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its from MMO champ/4chan

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its a necropolis over part of borean tundra

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specifically, the tuskarr village near the steam pools

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unclear whether its real or fake, but it has a lot of detail it doesnt need to, and assuming we lose in 9.1, the jailer invading azeroth would make some semblance of sense

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what specifically gets me is the water physics that are captured in this still - something blizz always captures but most unreal engine remakes and fakes often forget or dont invest the ridiculous amount of resources in

silent urchin Apr 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I don't buy it as a leak. The terrain seems to be an almost exact replica of the in game terrain, the cinematic terrain tends to be way more ambitious in scale. I suspect it's more likely to be from that guy who does the wow in unreal engine things

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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you can see a waterfall in the mid upper left

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again, it has a level of detail that doesnt match up to the unreal engine replicas

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also, depending on the cinematic, they sometimes try to copy the terrain pretty accurately in order to give us the location more immediately

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the more accurate the cinematic is to the game, the easier it is for a player to say "oh, i know where that is" especially when it doesnt have any well known landmarks

unborn glacier Apr 26, 2021, 7:55 PM

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dense plover

Hype

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 7:57 PM

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MMO champ thread if anyone wants to read the thoughts and see the terrain comparison

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2594052-New-WoW-Warcraft-Cinematic-leak

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also here is the area in game for context

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its not an exact copy

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its significantly more detailed and the coastal ice is different/missing as part of the shift in scale

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someone in the thread made a decent point

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"Also, I'm not sure why everyone is viewing this as "what does the Jailer want in Northrend?!?" or "Northrend revamp!". The portal from the Shadowlands is IN Northrend, so if there's a Maldraxxi necropolis on the coast, the obvious conclusion is that it's leaving the continent, not trying to get someplace on it."

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so this could be part of a cinematic showing the necropolis going somewhere else on azeroth

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Or Maldraxxus is cleaning up some of the Jailer's mess (the Scourge)

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We already know they're able to leave the Shadowlands to perform their eternal duty

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:02 PM

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What i think when I see it:

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TAUNKA

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:22 PM

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tropic trail We already know they're able to leave the Shadowlands to perform their eternal d...

uh - no.....

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their eternal duty is to protect the shadowlands

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they dont just go rogue

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and right now, what we know is the primus wants maldraxxus to reunite again

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I didn't say go rogue

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They can leave the Shadowlands in the pursuit of their duties

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Or did you not watch the same Draka cinematic everyone else did?

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Reading comprehension, dude

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I don't think they can permanently leave. I keep seeing people talk about playability

ivory meadow Apr 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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tropic trail Reading comprehension, dude

hey

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I didn't say permanently either

ivory meadow Apr 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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don't be rude.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:25 PM

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ivory meadow don't be rude.

His initial reaction was rude. It's called conversational escalation

ivory meadow Apr 26, 2021, 8:25 PM

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it wasn't rude at all.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:25 PM

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Incorrecting people is pretty rude

ivory meadow Apr 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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just follow the rules; not gonna argue anymore.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I'd appreciate it if you weren't being toxic and trying to tone police me when someone else is incorrecting me

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Gumball, your the one being toxic.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Back to what I was saying; the Necrolords have already been shown to leave the Shadowlands to pursue their duties to defend the Shadowlands

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At no point did I say a permanent withdrawal or "going rogue"

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If you're going to argue my point, argue the point I'm making instead of making one up

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Cap from the Draka cinematic, in case you forgot they can leave the Shadowlands

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@dense plover

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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they can leave yeah

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but also some of the maldraxxi are working for the jailer

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so

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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And did I say anything about rogue Maldraxxi leaving the Shadowlands?

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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dense plover so

?

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:33 PM

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you said they were pursuing their duties

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oh shit

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i misread what you wrote

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sorry

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I said that the Maldraxxi are capable of leaving the Shadowlands to pursue their duties

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np

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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what you wrote: "We already know they're able to leave the Shadowlands to perform their eternal duty"
what I thought you wrote: "We already know they're going to leave the Shadowlands to perform their eternal duty"

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i thought you were saying the story was having them leave the shadowlands

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not that we know its possible

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Yeah, that's why I wrote what I wrote and not what I didn't write

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khadgarface

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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which, sure yeah

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but it would be strange to show that in a CGI cinematic

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Well that's why I didn't say it

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Ok dude.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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tulip sun Ok dude.

Dude, calm down. I wasn't calling mrpeach an idiot. I pointed out reading comprehension because like he admitted to doing he misread what I said

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Calm down and stop seeking offense where there was none intended

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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it was 100% my fault

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i misread a thing

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brains can be funny like that

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Exactly and I said it was no problem

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I was just pointing out he misread what I said because it was obvious from his reaction

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Wow. Took a lot from two words.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Well what other reason is there to say, "Ok dude." with closed punctuation other than to be dismissively passive-aggressive?

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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just stop plz

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it doesnt matter

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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It was absolutely unnecessary

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Anywho

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@dense plover Like I was saying before we got interrupted--it could be possible that some Maldraxxi forces could be helping clean up the Scourge or doing something on the other side of the tear in the Veil, since it's all the Jailer's fault and a tertiary threat to the Shadowlands in the first place

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:44 PM

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It was in response to you saying several times
"Yeah, that's why I wrote what I wrote and not what I didn't write"

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I wasnt being passive aggressive

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:45 PM

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again, i think its more likely helping the jailer

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b/c why would it be a CGI cinematic otherwise

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again, assuming its real at all

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:46 PM

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If they're the ones loyal to him, but afaik the only ones still loyal to him are Krexus and Kel'thuzad, and I don't think either still has a necropolis

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:47 PM

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This cinematic if real is likely leading into 9.2

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We could still be missing a lot of story

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In which they get one

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But both of those people die so.

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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there are a group of chosen that are also following the jailer

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not just krexus and kelthuzad at this point

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maybe this is us following the jailer to wherever he went

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using the necropolis from maldraxxus

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or maybe the jailer retakes naxxramas

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Maldraxxi VS Scourge necropolis air battle when pls

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:50 PM

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If true. I could see it being the combined covenant armies

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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thats what i would expect

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Chasing the Jailer

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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the covenants chasing the jailer

tulip sun Apr 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Borean Tundra upset would be great.

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Taunka

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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I'm still willing to put money on it being more Scourge related than Jailer-centric

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 8:53 PM

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how would that tie into the current story?

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:11 PM

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dense plover how would that tie into the current story?

Probably the Soul of Azeroth. She’s got some ties to him that we have yet to learn about. If this ends up being real, we’re probably gonna chase him across the planet to get to him before he reaches the soul of Azeroth

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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no

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my question was how the cinematic and the story could be tied to the scourge

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because thats what gumball said

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Oh that just looks like the Zerekriss. I don’t think that’s scourge

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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scourge, not jailer

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Mb*

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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i think its jailer

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:15 PM

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It definitely doesn’t look like anything the Jailer has. And I don’t think he would’ve gotten the one from the House of the Chosen since Vyraz is dead. It definitely doesn’t look like Naxxramas unless they give it a makeover either.

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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dense plover my question was how the cinematic and the story could be tied to the scourge

Because the Scourge are a creation of the Jailer, and they were beaten back to Northrend before we went into the Shadowlands and are still running rampant without a Lich King. Either there's something to do with Northrend being on the other side of the Veil, the Scourge being utilized directly as a tool by the Jailer (distraction? Make the Maw Walkers more concerned about threats back home than continue to get in his business?)

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Looking at it closer, I’m pretty sure this is fake btw

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The dimensions of the necropolis don’t match up with the in-game variants. It’s much more similar to the CGI cinematic variant.

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The in-game variant looks way chunkier and boxier.

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:28 PM

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its 100% the cgi necropolis

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its a cgi still tiridan

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:28 PM

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The environment looks like it’s using in-game assets though

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:29 PM

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not quite

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its a recreation of an ingame area

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its clearly intentional

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even tho its blurry, it has details that match but it isnt the same as the ingame area

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the scale is different

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it absolutely could be a shot from a CGI cinematic of a necropolis passing over that area of borean tundra, perhaps as the covenants chase after the jailer

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Like the difference between the Gates of Orgrimmar and the cinematic Gates of Orgrimmar

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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yes

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clearly the same thing, but the scale and materials dont match

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:31 PM

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I still don't think it has to be the Jailer, not until we at least have some kind of confirmation that he gets all of the seals he needs to leave the Maw

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:31 PM

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we literally have that in 9.1

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its already in the datamined dialogue

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he got the night fae one during the 9.1 intro

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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But I don't think he wants to leave the Shadowlands entirely. If anything he'd take the Arbiter's seat

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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he got the primus' during trhe part where we free him

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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tropic trail But I don't think he wants to leave the Shadowlands entirely. If anything he'd t...

he literally has said "death comes for the soul of your world"

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Yeah, but that doesn't mean he himself

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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HE IS DEATH MY DUDE

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we literally fight above the portal to azeroth as the final boss in 9.1

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like, why are you trying to make a thing where there isnt?

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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?

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I'm not

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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its extremely clear the jailer wants to break free

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its the entire story of 9.0 and 9.1

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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ofc he does

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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The Jailer is absolutely breaking free. I don’t think there’s any chance he doesn’t

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Especially with the new model

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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^^^^

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this

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it makes sense for us to lose as well

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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No doubt, but it doesn't mean we have to chase him across Azeroth

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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it gives credence to his threats, and makes him a formidable enemy

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:34 PM

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He's a dude that works through intermediaries

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:34 PM

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im not saying we literally chase HIM

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but i think he wants something on azeroth specifically

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Yeah, Azeroth's world soul

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:34 PM

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why would he have made the scourge, forged the armor and weapons, if he didnt want to go there

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i think the necropolis is taking the covenant members to somewhere on azeroth

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which is where 9.2 will be

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Yes, he made the Scourge, and they're an asset of his. And they're already on Azeroth, in Northrend

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

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some place we havent been

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theyre not going to send us to northrend

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redoing northrend isnt feasible

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

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People said they weren't going to send us back to Pandaria either and look what happened there

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

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yeah - that was so fun /s

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8.3 sucked

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they barely touched old zones

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and called them new

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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It wouldn't take much to tidy up two zones just like they did Uldum or the Vale

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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compared to argus, it was a massive disappointment

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it was also less successful than argus as a patch

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I would rather have redone old zones relevant to modern content than just more new shit when we already have more new shit

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There's nothing wrong with revamping old zones

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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except those zones arent relevant anymore

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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And reusing old places

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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and werent revamped

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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They are relevant if the story takes us there

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

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uldum and vale are still using the models and shit from when they were made

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whats wrong with it is its boring

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weve already seen the zones

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

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That's subjective

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

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theres nothing to explore

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theres no new terrain

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no new secrets

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and in the case of 8.3, no new dungeons either

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7.3 was miles ahead as a comparable patch

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i would rather another 7.3 than another 8.3

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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We already saw Arathi, Darkshore, Uldum, the Vale, Tirisfal, Durotar, the Barrens, Redridge, Darkshire...

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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and even then, this would be 9.2

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Subjective complaint

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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tropic trail We already saw Arathi, Darkshore, Uldum, the Vale, Tirisfal, Durotar, the Barren...

durotar wasnt changed

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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We went there

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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neither was the barrens, redridge or darkshire

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going to a place isnt bad

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putting all of the end game content there IS

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uldum and vale was neat for a month

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and then it was boring

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again, argus was better

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Subjective

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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you cant tell me that argus was visually lesser than the 8.3 zones

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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New content is good. Revisiting old content is good too

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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i dont want to revisit major content as the content of a major patch

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if its part of it thats fine

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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You don't want to

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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but i still want new stuff too

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Subjective

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We're getting both

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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putting new stuff on top of old stuff is lazy

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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We've gotten both

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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the bfa expac model is not something i want again

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i want the legion model

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Discarding existing content can also be called lazy

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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i want 9.2 to be a new area

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and 9.3 to be a new area

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Want is subjective

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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it is

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im allowed to have opinions

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i hated 8.3

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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New and revisited are both good

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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heres something that isnt my opinion

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Just because you don't want something doesn't mean that they shouldn't make it

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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theres evidence 8,3 reused those old zones because they massively scaled back the patch

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Ok

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And it worked

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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there was literally going to be a whole nzoth zone

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it didnt work

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Subjective

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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sub numbers declined massively

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objective

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it was a failed patch that kept SOME people from unsubbing while they worked on shadowlands

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it didnt maintain subscribers like 7.3 did

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Sub numbers always fall after they rise during a patch. People only playing when new content is introduced and then unsubbing is normal

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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no

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you arent reading

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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This isn't 7.3

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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7.2 to 7.3 saw subscriber numbers stay constant, 8.2 to 8.3 saw numbers fall

tropic trail Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Yeah yeah, sure. Gotta dip though.

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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that means, objectively, 8.3 was not successful like 7.3

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meanwhile, what new content did we get in 8.3?

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we got assaults, a feature that is already in 9.1 in the maw

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and no new zones

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and no new WQs

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and pretty much no campaign

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what did we get in 7.3? 3 mini zones, a 3 week campaign, tons of WQs, a new dungeon, and a new endgame system to expand on the previous one

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8.3 added more essences but wasnt able to fix the mess that was the azerite system

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and it had a raid like 7,3

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by strict comparison, the amount of content of 8.3 pales in comparison to 7.3

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that is why i dislike it

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its disappointing

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9.1 is by comparison extremely impressive

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it has a new campaign, a new faction, an assault system in the maw, a new megadungeon, more renown, a subzone for new content with dailies and weeklies, 2 new wings of torghast along with more layers, a new scoring system for torghast, and probably some other stuff im forgetting

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probably whatever the vault of secrets thing is

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:49 PM

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dense plover probably whatever the vault of secrets thing is

its just that room where we got the Primus' sigil

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I could fathom the Jailer entering northrend, ressurecting Galakrond as a raid boss, while going deep down into Azjol Nerub to uncover the sepulcher who could be hidden beneath the Wyrmrest accord building

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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pulsar minnow its just that room where we got the Primus' sigil

it has other rooms tho

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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its caved in?

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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and also there are strings tying it to some kind of upgrade system

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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ah

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also- another issue with the leak. The clouds

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they do not match cgi cinematic fog/clouds

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 9:52 PM

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We don't know if it's true or not

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We've had the same discussion about the blue bolvar pic

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ppl saying it was not the blizzard cgi and whatever

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and it turned out it was

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So at this point we can only consider this as a potential leak, we can't disprove or say it's true

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:55 PM

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The Bolvar leak was way clearer and we had multiple ways to prove that it was true. Like typing in the URL and having multiple people find it

austere gazelle Apr 26, 2021, 9:56 PM

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it was an example , there were many other thing like this

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this pic is so low res and so blurry, and maybe even a WIP

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we can't even say it's legit CGI or not

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We're not in some NCIS show were they can guess the identity of a man by zooming on a blurry picture :p

pulsar minnow Apr 26, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Well the necropolis is 100% the same kind from the Shadowlands Launch Cinematic. What's even more suspicious is the fact that its at the EXACT same angle as it too. Also, everything else looks like the in-game zone, and the clouds don't match the graphical fidelity of CGI cinematics, or in-game cinematics for that matter.

dense plover Apr 26, 2021, 10:12 PM

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its just thing that popped up

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could be fake

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dont think we will know until 9.2 announcement anyway

mossy meteor Apr 27, 2021, 12:56 AM

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or the end of 9.1

crimson jasper Apr 27, 2021, 1:47 AM

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anything new coming up in ptr soon? just at work and a lil time to kill

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 2:02 AM

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tomorrow at the earliest

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 2:54 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268878283477745674/836434570920067092/unknown.png

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@dense plover Tuskar house

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lol

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Ugh

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Tuskar HD

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Let's do it

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and Taunka

crimson jasper Apr 27, 2021, 3:51 AM

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new allied race confirmed kek

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 4:29 AM

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terse patrol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268878283477745674/836434570920067092/unk...

whats the problem there? thats where it should be considering the area

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 4:29 AM

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i know, just interesting to see it in a potential cinematic

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 4:30 AM

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again - the more accurate an area in a CGI cinematic compared to the game, the easier it is for players to go "oh, its THERE"

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this is especially useful when not at big landmarks like icecrown or orgrimmar

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but to me this looks like a passing shot

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similar to how in the legion cgi cinematic we see stuff flying and such before we see the big bad fel laser from the tomb

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Gimme Taunks v.v

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 5:49 AM

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@dense plover According to red shirt guy, the pic of the leak is being taken down.

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So, might be a soft confirm.

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 5:50 AM

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huh

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like DMCA?

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Not sure, he didn’t elaborate in the tweet.

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 6:12 AM

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terse patrol So, might be a soft confirm.

Generally speaking, if a "leak is fake and still gets taken down" ... it probably isn't fake.

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 6:17 AM

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its getting taken down from the imgur site repeatedly despite uploads

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cant really remove it from discord or things people have saved but the shared around links keep going down

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 6:18 AM

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What happens on the Internet, stays there

Once it's on the Internet, it's very hard to take it down permanently.

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Huh

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So it pretty much is confirmed

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Somewhat

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I still feel like this has to be 9.2

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End of raid or somethinf

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 6:19 AM

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well, the end of the raid is ||the jailer flat out winning and getting Oribos in the maw, Arbiters seal exposed, next stage of his plan to our knowledge is "death comes for the soul of your world", theres a new icecrown skybox ||

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 6:22 AM

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uncut vault well, the end of the raid is ||the jailer flat out winning and getting Oribos in...

So yeah makes sense this would set up the next patch

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On another note

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POSSIBLE Taunka story involvement e.e

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 6:22 AM

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inb4 "oh yeah they all died to the jailer :))"

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or mawsworn taunka bueno

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 6:25 AM

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uncut vault or mawsworn taunka <:bueno:444699083093966868>

U are pushing it

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I want Taunka as a playable race so bad e.e

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Or even just story involvement. They've been in the horde since Wrath

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 6:25 AM

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adding them as some face/skin options to tauren would be nice at least

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Legion was originally gonna do a bit of a united tauren people, shame it got cut

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 6:28 AM

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I cannot express my dislike enough for races being added as customization tbh.

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They miss out in the heritage story and the screen time of being a playable race.

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If your not a full race your ignored.

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So customization wouldn't solve that issue.

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 6:34 AM

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Im not the biggest fan either, but sometimes its better than the nothing blizz would give otherwise

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Id love to get proper high elf and undead elf story, but blizz wouldnt do those at this point so customization is something I'm content with

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Just being able to pretend your something isn't good enough for me.

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Wildhammer are lucky. Even if they don't have a lot of spotlight they still have some due to the nature of the dwarf government

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But adding new face, skins and horns to imitate Taunka?

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Sure I would be able to.look like one but nothing for their story. They likely still wouldn't be in the council. Or as random npcs.

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Maybe I'm picky.

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 7:07 AM

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tulip sun So it pretty much is confirmed

I would also like to remind everyone of this "pretty much confirmed" leaked image from bfa that went nowhere

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/836344879444656159/m3hxkgg429c41.png

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I would use a big grain of salt when considering the leaked image everyones freaking out about

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Hm

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Don't recall that one

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But fair

cinder wraith Apr 27, 2021, 7:41 AM

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terse patrol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268878283477745674/836434570920067092/unk...

new tuskarr content?

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i'd like to see maybe a tuskarr themed mount and updated models.

bitter plaza Apr 27, 2021, 7:47 AM

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strange falcon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/836344879444656159/m3h...

what's that supposed to be, ghosts invading SW? How would that fit in bfa lol

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I remember seeing that sometime

austere gazelle Apr 27, 2021, 7:58 AM

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strange falcon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/836344879444656159/m3h...

TBH nothing can be proven fake until it doesnt appears in game. Lots of things can be "internal WIP" that get completely changed at the last minute
This, for example could have been a first shot and idea about the consequences of Sylvanas opening the Shadowlands, but was dropped

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We will never know 😦

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 7:59 AM

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austere gazelle We will never know 😦

im saying that because i've already seen some people go absolutely buck wild about speculation for future expacs,raids,patches and the like,when the connecting issue is as unreliable as that image

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then those same ppl get disappointed their fanfiction idea isnt going to be in the game,and go complain to blizzard

austere gazelle Apr 27, 2021, 8:00 AM

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Well, I remember theorizing about the implication of this image, the main thing I got from it was " Sylvanas will open the gate to the SL " in my speculation

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But I get what you're saying

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overhyping unconfirmed things leads to frustration

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But one thing I learnt from blizzard : they are not subtle. The most easiest explanation and the less complex one is often the right one

austere gazelle Apr 27, 2021, 8:22 AM

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It's kinda obvious btw we would go back to Northrend anyway

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strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 8:24 AM

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could also be a flashback relating to arthas tbh

austere gazelle Apr 27, 2021, 9:05 AM

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could be, but its unlikely that the Jailer would open a gateway to Azeroth just for the Lulz

unborn glacier Apr 27, 2021, 9:17 AM

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tulip sun Or even just story involvement. They've been in the horde since Wrath

Yaungol > Taunka

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 10:00 AM

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austere gazelle could be, but its unlikely that the Jailer would open a gateway to Azeroth just ...

i meant we get a flashback cutscene while in the maw

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no gateway involved

lofty vault Apr 27, 2021, 11:42 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/836344879444656159/m3hxkgg429c41.png
@strange falcon wasn't this confirmed to be fake?

mossy meteor Apr 27, 2021, 11:47 AM

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yes

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because it's an unreal engine shot

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and anyone can use unreal engine to make "fake" looking screenshots

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 12:01 PM

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People don’ full CGI necropoli out of their asses.

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And I called that screenshot as fake when it showed up.

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Blizzard also didn’t make an effort to take down that fake.

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Just because i like fanning the flames,i saw someone try to pinpoint the leaked screenshot

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/836561549765247016/place.png

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 12:05 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/406285497846071306/836330174416551966/1c8b83a4c9a8cf7d99db4265249b1703.png

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@strange falcon

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You can see the tuskar building in this shot

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You can also tell in the CGI version, they updated the terrain while keeping it roughly recognizable.

uncut vault Apr 27, 2021, 12:55 PM

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strange falcon I would use a big grain of salt when considering the leaked image everyones frea...

I think thats kind of whats interesting about the discussion. That fake leak, and most other leaks, real and fake, very much go for the clickbait money shot that will grab attention and views, be it ghosts in stormwind harbor or Bolvar with his new look, etc.

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but this is just... such an irrelevant and nonsensical thing that people had to go searching in game to even find the right spot that matched up with it

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that you'd wonder why someone would go through the effort of creating such a detailed CGI shot and faking it as a leak

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Especially making an accurate copy of the pre existing necropolis model from the Shadowlands promo

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@uncut vault

signal bone Apr 27, 2021, 1:35 PM

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I for one, sure hope we get some sort of revamped northrend content. I'm looking forward to snowy peaks and comfy forests, kind of sick of the SL aesthetic already

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 1:37 PM

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signal bone I for one, sure hope we get some sort of revamped northrend content. I'm looking...

Admit it you just want HD grizzly hills

signal bone Apr 27, 2021, 1:37 PM

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hell yes brother

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Kul'tiras was so comfy, I will take expacs with that aesthetic or northrend any day

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:38 PM

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I'm 100% for the continued trend of new AND revamped old zones for current content

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110%

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498%

signal bone Apr 27, 2021, 1:39 PM

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I hope they're more "revamped" than the 8.3 ones were.

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Pandaria didnt need texture revamps

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 1:47 PM

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tropic trail I'm 100% for the continued trend of new AND revamped old zones for current conte...

Personally, I'm kinda hoping on a massive revamp of the "old world" once we leave the Shadowlands. More than just a little bit of destruction here or there (Deathwing style), but actually moving the entire world forward. Supposedly "time works differently in the Shadowlands", so the idea being... we may have been there for quite some time, in just the ~2 years of the xpack.

Cataclysm was 11 years ago, so I'd say we're overdue for a world revamp 😛

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:48 PM

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thick saddle Personally, I'm kinda hoping on a *massive* revamp of the "old world" once we le...

Time skip theory is bunked. People spend more time in the Shadowlands, not in Azeroth

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FYI

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Also already been shot down by devs, storywriters, lore staff, etc

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Blegh 😛

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Still... I say we're overdue for a world revamp. But allow a "return" via Zidormi. Cataclysm was permanent without any way to revisit the world that once was.

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:50 PM

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It's similar to the Twisting Nether, and how Turalyon and Alleria spent centuries fighting the Burning Legion even though they've only been MIA for less than a couple decades

signal bone Apr 27, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I vote for dragon isles - one zone per flight. More focus on adventure and outdoor content that isn't just WQ

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I only see zones coming out gradually, and in a way that there are multiple phases still

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Or just to mess with everyone... a twist on time travel, in that we return to an Azeroth not in the present or future, but in the past. Ending up in the First or Second War (the original Warcraft games, but done in WoW) 😛

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Well, all I'll say is that I'm very thankful that the people writing the current story are who the are and not certain other people khadgarface

thick saddle Apr 27, 2021, 1:55 PM

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In the end, regardless of what story they tell, someone will be upset 😉

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Mmmhm. Opinions are indeed like assholes; everyone has one, and not only should they not be shown off in public but too many are more shitty than they should be

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Differently

pulsar minnow Apr 27, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Salanar never actually made it to the physical Shadowlands. He was able to cross the veil into limbo. Which is just the waiting room for souls to get snatched up by Kyrian.

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Not faster, not slower, differently

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It's not as simple as a changed scale, it's more about the concept of linear time having less solidity

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Which means we could leave the Shadowlands and only days have passed. Or the same amount of time passed. Or years have passed.

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It could very well be random.

pulsar minnow Apr 27, 2021, 3:29 PM

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They’ve confirmed that there isn’t any time shenanigans

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It’s only in their perceptions that time passes differently, and it varies depending on who it is. Jaina thought she was stuck in the Maw for months but she wasn’t. It was only like a week or two

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 PM

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I’d say time works how Blizzard wants it to work.

pulsar minnow Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 PM

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And that’s exactly how Blizzard wants it to work

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I basically just said what Ion said when asked this question

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 3:32 PM

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There’s no hard confirm that we won’t return to Azeroth to fight the Jailer in Northrend and find that only a few weeks passed.

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 3:33 PM

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There's no hard confirm that we won't get a videogame crossover event with Neverwinter or League, either

terse patrol Apr 27, 2021, 3:33 PM

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While I’d PREFER a significant time jump, say ten years, I don’t see Blizzard doing it.

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 3:33 PM

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"When you assume you make an ass out of u and me"

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 6:01 PM

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the only thing i need to see

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"They thank everyone for their patience and have more content planned after 9.1. This will not be like WoD, there will be a 9.2."

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"They're adding a meta-Torghast talent tree, which will be similar to the Horrific Vision talent tree." - YES PLZ

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MORE ROGUE LIKE ELEMENTS PLZ

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I'm surprised people aren't more patient, considering the current working conditions and current events

pulsar minnow Apr 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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dense plover "They're adding a meta-Torghast talent tree, which will be similar to the Horrif...

This got me excited

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I LOVED visions - genuinely. Fury Warrior main of course I would

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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"They are looking at some form of unique bonuses for Sanctum of Domination. Class sets will return after 9.1"

tropic trail Apr 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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lmao wtf am I saying, I'm not surprised. People just want to slam their dopamine injector buttons

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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"Tier sets will be coming in Patch 9.2."

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im hoping we get a new build today

cosmic beacon Apr 27, 2021, 6:05 PM

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It’s reset so maybe

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Well reset for US side

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Pretty much depends if they fixed the instability

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They coudln't fix it in time for raid testing, nor did they announce one this week, so my hopes are not high for this week

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Zorb is however active on twitter atm, so who knows what'll happen today

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 6:11 PM

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tropic trail I'm surprised people aren't *more* patient, considering the current working cond...

People don't care. They should obviously be able to work just fine by now.

cunning fossil Apr 27, 2021, 6:20 PM

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@dense plover the interview confirmed alot of what u were saying. Wierdly enough

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Ion both confirmed Class Sets for after 9.1 and a new Torghast based Talent tree thing.

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IIRV

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Oh I'm dumb

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Sorry I thought those are things you WANT3D him to say lmao

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Interview was good tvh

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I hope we get a ptr update today

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 6:49 PM

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We have to clarify class sets are not in terms of look,but what i assume tier-set like effects on the gear

cunning fossil Apr 27, 2021, 7:18 PM

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I doubt they'll jebait us that badly

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 7:27 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/815450631447904276/836683336663171133/Screenshot_20210427-211648_DuckDuckGo.jpg

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@cunning fossil

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The sets in 9.1 are effects only

cunning fossil Apr 27, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Oh I Meant for 9.2 my bad

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I meant that I doubtthey'd say "Here you go. TIER SETS!" and it's all gear with 0 effects.

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That'd be q huge mistake

strange falcon Apr 27, 2021, 7:39 PM

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It is not clear whether the thing most players miss is the "every class has their set" or the actual 4piece set bonuses

cunning fossil Apr 27, 2021, 7:44 PM

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With players, nothing is clear to be honest

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But I'm sure they liked the bonuses too

unborn glacier Apr 27, 2021, 7:53 PM

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@strange falcon Ion confirmed in a previous interview that the looks are returning and that he has seen them already

tulip sun Apr 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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We have no idea what the 9.2 raid is.

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Its weird

silent urchin Apr 27, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Based off the "leak" it's naxxramas 3

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 9:15 PM

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tbh - im still surprised naxx 3 wasnt 9.1

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KT had tie ins with every covenant

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and now he is just a boss in sanctum of domination?

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sus

full willow Apr 27, 2021, 9:52 PM

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No build tonight right ?

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:06 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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we are just hitting peak build hours

unborn glacier Apr 27, 2021, 10:28 PM

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dense plover tbh - im still surprised naxx 3 wasnt 9.1

KT should have been the Guldan of the xpac

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 10:29 PM

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full willow No build tonight right ?

Still depends if they fixed the floating point instability or have things generally stable enough to push another build

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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unborn glacier KT should have been the Guldan of the xpac

nah

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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grim canyon Still depends if they fixed the floating point instability or have things genera...

well, yes and no

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Bare in mind, last week's already had resistance on Zorb's end, would hate to see the same happen this week if they aren't careful

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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if theyre making progress, yes. if its far off, getting new content for testing might still take priority

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Esppecially considering they are now a week behind with Raid tests

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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even if you DC all the time, you can report a lot of bugs

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i imagine theyre very dedicated to fixing whatever the error is, if they havent already

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 10:31 PM

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True you can, but the bug tracker will quickly fill up with the same bug, bloating it from the other feedback

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:31 PM

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they have ways of sorting through the bugs

mossy meteor Apr 27, 2021, 10:31 PM

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i think it was fixed

dense plover Apr 27, 2021, 10:31 PM

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and the info they get from crashes and DCs is sent separately

grim canyon Apr 27, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Still, just depends that this week's is not a repeat of last week's build

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Since, at least for raid testing, they need a stable build that can handle the strain

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and if they can't pull that off, it'll only set them further behind on testing

robust girder Apr 27, 2021, 11:53 PM

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does anyone know if bfa content has become soloable in 9.1 or does the ptr not work that way

mossy meteor Apr 27, 2021, 11:57 PM

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no it doesn't work that way

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it won't be soloable until 10.0

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 12:08 AM

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to be fair I was able to solo Antorus in BFA

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it all depends on our power scaling in this expac though. We had a huge power jump in BFA that made soloing legion possible

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 2:18 AM

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/9852-Patch-9-1-PTR-Torghast-Perks-Early-Preview

Patch 9.1 PTR - Torghast Perks Early Preview - MMO-Champion

Patch 9.1 PTR - Torghast Perks Early Preview

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"Upon achieving Rank 5 in a successful Torghast run you and your party may ascend to the Adamant Vaults."

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this is the 2 floor bonus with the extra boss

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this probably gives additional ash and cinders

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this is the screen from another discord - this is a perfect score on layer 4 or 5 (probably - still waiting on the person who did the run to confirm)

faint bolt Apr 28, 2021, 2:36 AM

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My issue with this whole timed system is it pretty much says "Sorry healers and tanks, you will never get a perfect run"

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 2:38 AM

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uh

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wut?

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idk what torghast youre playing

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but as a brewmaster, torghast on layers 4-6 doesnt take THAT long

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in addition, score is not purely time-based

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idk why people think it is

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its also based on urn destruction %, floor clear, elites killed, enemies killed, and the amount of time you spend empowered

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Personally hoping it's like 20-80 in perspective of how much time plays a factor into it

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 2:40 AM

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its literally built so that if you arent pushing time, you can still get a high score by pushing in other areas

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 2:40 AM

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sounds gud.

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 2:41 AM

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also it seems pretty clear that the star clears arent going to change the soul ash and cinders rewards

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its just talent points

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so the better you clear torghast, the more points you get, but that also means that if you are having trouble in one area, you can put points into a talent that will help

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like the talent that increases score generated by killing elites

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or the tier 1 empowered swiftness talent

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which means more move speed when empowered

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it very clearly is working to avoid the one correct way to run torghast problem

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 4:30 AM

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dense plover sus

Peach saying sus is weird

faint bolt Apr 28, 2021, 4:32 AM

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dense plover but as a brewmaster, torghast on layers 4-6 doesnt take THAT long

It's almost like I'm referring to the fact they're adding 4 more layers.

And Layer 8 takes forever on a guardian druid and mistweaver monk unless I get specific powers to start.

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 4:33 AM

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I did twisting corridors layer 7 as a guardian drood, you could chalk it up to lucky powers but idk man

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Also sometimes you have to consider if "nuking them before they kill you" is better than "survival as tank"

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 4:35 AM

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faint bolt It's almost like I'm referring to the fact they're adding 4 more layers. And L...

Its almost like they're adding an entire tier of gear too!

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 4:45 AM

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faint bolt It's almost like I'm referring to the fact they're adding 4 more layers. And L...

well, layer 8 takes a long time now

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but theyre cutting an entire floor per layer

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and the talents mean that lower layers should be easier

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especially if the blessings are any good

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 4:50 AM

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I liked layer 8 prenerf tbh,
But i can totally see how having to do that every week would have been excruciating, was fun first time around

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Also the talent tree makes them able to make torghast harder

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So ppl dont call it boreghast because its too easy

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:27 AM

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People will call it that or "Wah too hard"

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 5:31 AM

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But with a talent tree you can have the "git more talents",

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I found it really funny how ion called the lower geared players that were complaining shit in the preach interview😂

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Gold

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Ion just said Get Gud

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And to an extent he's right

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I'm 206 on my Main MM Hunter and I'm not doing Mythic 233 ilvl MM Hunter shit.

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And I ain't complaining.

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 5:37 AM

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206 is kinda low at this point 👀

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Considering catchup gear gets you to 197 easily

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:42 AM

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Don't make me feel THAT bad now :(

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Is it really?

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Well to be fair

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I have like 3 pieces that are 197 - 194

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0urely because I can't get shit to drop

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My weapon is like 216 and (I think is) BIS

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Id advise working on curve while you wait for 9.1

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:44 AM

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I would like to get curve qnd KMS

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It's be my first time ever trying for such thinga

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Things*

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It does sound fun tho. And I have the best ST lego anyways fully upped to 235 last week 😎

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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You're going to get nowhere if you dont start

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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That's true

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Gotta find a guild

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When I have the time

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 5:47 AM

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cunning fossil It does sound fun tho. And I have the best ST lego anyways fully upped to 235 la...

You didnt do torghast every week 👀
Most ppl got their lego to 235 week 4-5

cunning fossil Apr 28, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Oh yeah no I did not

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Was busy playing alts xP

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I like Torghadt but I was playing it on my Pally xP

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But in any case. I think I will aim for KSM and Curve. I'd LOVE to get those new Hunter items from Sylva-bitch

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 6:23 AM

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is weekly ptr build today or tomorrow?

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 6:39 AM

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We don’t know

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But blizz is asleep right now

thick saddle Apr 28, 2021, 6:45 AM

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If I'm not mistaken, it's about midnight in California right now... far past normal business hours.

uncut vault Apr 28, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Kelthuzad in general is just kind of disappointing, 9.0 had setup for him to get some proper focus after only really being the very tail end of the campaigns

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but so far it seems like hes literally just in the raid as a boss, and permadies

tulip sun Apr 28, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Hmm

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Maybe there are still unseen quesys

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Quests

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 8:01 AM

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ion did say there's a lot more to be added to korthia on the ptr

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 8:23 AM

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also https://twitter.com/Revololwarrior/status/1387114329493975047

Revo 💢 (@Revololwarrior)

https://t.co/e3Tpm7EaLJ

Likes

709

languid yoke Apr 28, 2021, 9:00 AM

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ermahgerd

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customization update fifiDerp

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apparently the legs are nsfw for discord filter though fifiThink

willow gust Apr 28, 2021, 12:19 PM

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maw skip avaible on the ptr ?

mossy meteor Apr 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

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no

signal bone Apr 28, 2021, 12:36 PM

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idk what game he's playing, but the difference between a 226 and a 200 is NOT 26%

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 1:28 PM

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It is (roughly) in terms of raw stats. It's a little bit higher, around 30% because it compounds. But what he didn't address is that the dps gain is not quite that simple. You get ~30% more main stat, and 30% more secondaries. Secondaries and main stat all multiply off each other so the actual DPS gain is higher, and for some specs the secondary scaling is a little ridiculous

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e.g. for fire mages crit isn't just more damage on spells, it's also more instant cast pyroblasts

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 1:33 PM

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You also have to consider legendaries and other outside powers

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 1:34 PM

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I think they also changed secondary stat curves this expansion? They normally fall off from 1%/level so it doesn't scale too far, but I think this expansion they front loaded them more so you get more gains at lower item levels and then it falls off faster at higher ilvls

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 1:34 PM

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It has a lower cap ye

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 1:47 PM

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That said, that scaling stuff isn't new. I don't necessarily think it's any different from last expansion? That went from like 5k in Ulduar to over 100k in n'zoth, although admittedly corruptions were silly for final tier

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Uldir,ulduar is from wrath

solar temple Apr 28, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Uldy

unborn glacier Apr 28, 2021, 2:33 PM

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silent urchin That said, that scaling stuff isn't new. I don't necessarily think it's any diff...

I was doing 13k in Uldir

keen cove Apr 28, 2021, 2:56 PM

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From gear alone 200 - 226 it is in the ball park of 26% - It just doesnt take in account of borrowed power systems having a multiplicative effect with it

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on top of different core ability scaling etcs

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 4:31 PM

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yup an example is night fae

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its unlikely for a ilv200 character to have access to burrs while a 226 would

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burrs can be like 4% st dmg alone

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Burrs is only decided by reknown so at this point

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A lvl 200 can have burrs

signal bone Apr 28, 2021, 5:42 PM

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have we seen the new torghast wings yet?

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in terms of what they look like

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 5:49 PM

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The new torghast wing is currently Layer 6 and 7 of the ptr testing.

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It's fighting the new more armored version of torghast and most bosses seem to be more mechanical and less flat out damaging.

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Lots of dodging and stuff, but I like it.

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I just did a layer 8 of torghast and there was a weird stacking debuff that was basically like a tank mechanic that made every elite fight a dps check. That felt god aweful.

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It was even worse when the enrage affix came in because certain enemies dealt 20% more damage every hit and gained 10% movement speed so I just kept wiping on certain bosses because they scaled too fast to where 1 minute into a fight a single hit did 2/3rds of my health and I was dead.

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The Reflect torment up right now feels bad because it likes to appear once I pop my cooldowns and then I lose my entire cooldown phase to waiting for 5 seconds.

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The enrage stacked horribly with the Elite empowerment thing.

The only torment today that actually improved my experience was the boss-helper one because the helper just made the boss change in ways that made it more fun like giving the boss shields, creating things to dodge, random cool looking wave effects, etc. It only sucked too an extent because the tank-like mechanic was also on the first boss I faced which resulted in an even harder dps check than some of the elite floor bosses who could manage to kill me in a minute to the point I had to wait for cooldowns like Ice Block to appear and even then it was brutal and unfun.

The Empowering mechanic for moving "quickly" doesn't feel good. It's really easy to get to the empower line, but really really hard to stay over it without moving quickly through the room. It's almost like it doesn't want you to get over the lowest part of empower. Maybe it's a tool for those wanting to do the faster speed run version to get 5 gems, but I didn't love it.

Overall, I like some of the changes. If I wasn't dealing with the arbitrary tank-like mechanic (that wasn't mentioned anywhere) I think I would have enjoyed it more because I wouldn't have it a random wall that shouldn't have been there. That being said, it didn't make me enjoy playing torghast any more. It was just more torghast.

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I'd love a wider range of powers, because right now, outside of 2 or 3 ones I've never seen before, the gameplay is feeling very very stale and same-y.

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:06 PM

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i dont think the new torghast in on ptr yet?

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like the score etc

vestal wing Apr 28, 2021, 6:06 PM

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maybe they tested the current design

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:13 PM

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The new torghast isn't done.

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But you can test the torments and scoring system

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And layers 9-12 are available (If you are skilled/geared enough to unlock them)

vestal wing Apr 28, 2021, 6:14 PM

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as long as the debuff doesn't stack too high it should be okay

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:14 PM

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well given they advertised the talent tree like the visions one,

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visions were impossible to do fully without it

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so maybe to get best experience we should be able to experience the tree

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:15 PM

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In 1 minute, one enemies stacked up to 18 stacks + enrage for a 360% buff

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:15 PM

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also they talked about "blessings"

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which i dont think are in yet

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Yeah, nothing there yet

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Yesterday had a mixed one where everyone dealt 20% more physical damage (as a mage it was useless)

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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tiny stream In 1 minute, one enemies stacked up to 18 stacks + enrage for a 360% buff

I took 64000 in one hit with that

dusty trellis Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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At the rate we are going 9.2 won’t be out at this time next year

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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But the Adamant Halls section didn't have it, so maybe it was a bug

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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well,as long as they're working on it ,i personally dont mind the wait,but i know a lot of ppl who do

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Yep.

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:17 PM

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games as an industry already have way more than enough problems with rushing things

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Just did layer 8 with the new score system. It's so much better

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The streak system also gives you a speed buff if you want to speed clear

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:40 PM

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i approve tiridan's return to swolekin profile pics

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 6:55 PM

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strange falcon i approve tiridan's return to swolekin profile pics

just for you

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 6:57 PM

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I appreciate it

signal bone Apr 28, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Realistically, I expect 9.2 to come out early 2022

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assuming a June / July release for 9.1

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:09 PM

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You know what would be the funniest thing ever

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If the devs are using the pandemic as an excuse to get the higherup finance execs to give them more time to bake things properly

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Not saying thats the case but still

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Tbh it might be

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Legion showed that when they have more time, the content is better and more people stay subbed over the lifespan of the expac

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 7:17 PM

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It's also possible 9.2 will be faster to release because they may be working on both with the intent to put each one out 100 after the other

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:17 PM

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And bfa showed what happens when you rush

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^ this is probable

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 7:17 PM

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So it could be slower so that the 9.1-9.2 gap is shorter

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:18 PM

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My guess is they got a late start due to the initial expac delay

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Whereas 9.0 probably had everyone but the art time working on it

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:18 PM

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And so to push the release that one month they did, they probably had both wow teams working hard, for a net total of around a 2 month patch delay

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Storm and I are on the same page

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Realistically, 9.2 is also probably behind schedule, but with 9.1 also being delayed, there should be a more even pacing between them

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 7:19 PM

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I know classic is a seperate team, but it also probably doesn't help to have Classic BC coming too

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It helps with subs but maybe not development resources

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:19 PM

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There are 2 retail teams

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A and B

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Usually they switch off for patches/expacs

tiny stream Apr 28, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Oh got it

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Though it’s mainly patches with a group focus on expacs now

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9.1 is also very ambitious for a .1 patch

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Usually there are no or very few new systems and no new areas

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7.1 was suramar insurrection legion assaults and karazhan, 8.1 was atal dazar, and the darkshore stuff

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:22 PM

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dense plover Usually they switch off for patches/expacs

Theres long been a conspiracy, since cata i think,that all the A team expansions are good and all the B team are bad

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Cata,wod,bfa bad
Wrath,mop,legion good

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:23 PM

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This is torghast stuff, korthia, lots of new sets, a megadungeon, new campaign chapters (about the same length as insurrection), assaults, and definitely other stuff I’m missing

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Not to mention a major reworking of torghast

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The score system, the talent system, 2 new wings, layers going from 6 to 5 floors with a 2 layer bonus floor from a talent and new currency balancing there as well as probably rebalancing torghast difficulty completely again

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Not to say,the devs said a lot of stuff is still missing on the ptr

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Well yeah

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Probably lots of dailies and weeklies

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And torghast stuff isn’t even really implemented yet

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Also tier sets in 9.2 and i remember ion saying at SL launch interview he had already seen them

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So prob the designs on paper were already there

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Idk if they mean class sets visually or if they mean set bonuses

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I want #1 more than #2

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:25 PM

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They said "tier sets"

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They didnt clarify

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:25 PM

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I prefer the raid trinket system

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And the domination gems and upgrades look far more interesting

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Especially since tier sets only affected 1 specific playstyle usually

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G2g back to work bbl

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:26 PM

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The bow giving you an artifact like extra ability tho 😂

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 7:26 PM

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It’s neat

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:26 PM

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dense plover G2g back to work bbl

Tbh i thought peach was a uni student didnt know he worked 👀

tulip sun Apr 28, 2021, 7:28 PM

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People do both.

strange falcon Apr 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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I forgot student debt existed,poor US students

mossy meteor Apr 28, 2021, 7:48 PM

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I think of peach as a late 20s guy because he's always reasonable

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And knows his stuff

tulip sun Apr 28, 2021, 8:18 PM

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In b4 he turns out to be some 16 yr old kid

mossy meteor Apr 28, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Looking more and more like there won't be a build today

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 8:44 PM

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FeelsBadMan

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😩

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 8:45 PM

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mossy meteor Looking more and more like there won't be a build today

Tbh, Im doubting there will be a build at all this week.

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 8:46 PM

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How so?

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 8:46 PM

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There's been little to no evidence suggesting there is a build stable enough for ptr this week

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Rip they need to get stuff out for testing

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 8:47 PM

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No replacement date on raid testing after the blatant instability on last weeks build, the reproduction cases for the instability are so spread out, it's a needle in a haystack bc they rewrote too much into one build to where it caused both a compile error and a floating point error

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All that's been present this week has solely been that interview talking about some stuff in more detail, but even if there is a new build this week, there's still little guarantee that they found and fixed the instability

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And the longer that instability continues, the less likely it is we'll see any more raid testing until it's certain the build can actually handle it

vernal magnet Apr 28, 2021, 8:51 PM

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You must be related to sylvanas

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Coming to destroy our hopes

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Nah, I'm just a very logical person. And logically, but sadly, Blizzard's recent actions on behalf of the ptr do give little hope as to a stable build this week. HOWEVER, I can and have already been proven wrong before, so my words should only be taken as an opinion, not pure fact.

uncut vault Apr 28, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Ion also did say yesterday that the PTR atm is mainly out to test story stuff as the mostly-finished feature

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this cycle will likely be longer than most

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 9:09 PM

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True, though the thing is you can't test if the client is too unstable (As in crashing after 5 seconds or crashing randomly with the same exception message). That's what I'm getting at and why raid testing got cancelled.

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 9:10 PM

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We could always just get it tomorrow.

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Yes it was unstable and a rushed-out PTR build but by that logic releasing it later in the week means they spent more time to make it stable

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 9:12 PM

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pulsar minnow Yes it was unstable and a rushed-out PTR build but by that logic releasing it la...

That still requires that they actually do find and resolve it, which while I hope they did find it by now, the lack of word from them doesn't give much hope that the main cause was found.

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The only thing that also irks me is that they had known about the instability beforehand (A severe enough compile error should have been a red flag to not push a build out), so it was a fully preventable situation that could have postponed the testing rather then outright cancelling it when it turned out yes, that compile error could indeed get worse.

Maybe I'm just being too cranky about this, but from a developer viewpoint, it is a seriously irritating situation that could have been prevented.

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 9:42 PM

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strange falcon Tbh i thought peach was a uni student didnt know he worked 👀

Graduated last May

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 9:42 PM

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mossy meteor I think of peach as a late 20s guy because he's always reasonable

Early 20s, just wise af 😜

mossy meteor Apr 28, 2021, 9:43 PM

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damn i might be older

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Also oldest of 3 siblings....

paper veldt Apr 28, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Looks like 9.2.5 is the final patch of Shadowlands

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 9:53 PM

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based on?

unborn glacier Apr 28, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Nothing

pulsar minnow Apr 28, 2021, 9:53 PM

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exactly

unborn glacier Apr 28, 2021, 9:53 PM

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He's just pulling shit out of his ass

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Ion literally just confirmed yesterday that SL is not going to be WoD

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 10:08 PM

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^

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Literally said it word for word

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Patch delays aren’t the death of the game

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WoD died because they cut all the content

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Shadowlands doesn’t have any evidence of this

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And it’s not like they would spend a ton of time hiding cut content - that’s literally the dumbest use of dev time in existence

unborn glacier Apr 28, 2021, 10:16 PM

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I want a WoD Classic+, where we get all the content they cut, so we can see how it should have gone

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Can agree, even given the state of ptr, Shadowlands is very much doing pretty good for itself, given the circumstances

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:36 PM

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not a big fan of the torgy on ptr rn

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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In the interview Ion played down any notion of it being time based

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but it certainly doesn't seem that way currently

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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i have no clue how to 5* a torgy so that i can get to the next layer

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every time i get 4

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I dunno if the PTR is just a slightly older version than what they have internally

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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even in like sub 10 mins for the 5 floors

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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If it's like visions were, you're not really meant to until you have a bunch of upgrades in

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:39 PM

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also ion said u should upgrade on a 4* at least

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and its just false

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or just not working

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not sure

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 10:39 PM

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tbh

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I'm mostly hoping they refresh all the powers

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:40 PM

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also

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the torments are

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interesting to say the least

silent urchin Apr 28, 2021, 10:40 PM

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cause they got way more boring after 9.0.5, at least for DK

drowsy leaf Apr 28, 2021, 10:40 PM

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like

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a 5s reflecting shield

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or

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raging

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from m+

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but it can definitly become good

unborn glacier Apr 28, 2021, 10:47 PM

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silent urchin In the interview Ion played down any notion of it being time based

Because it is not. He didn't down play anything, he flat out said you can go at a moderate pace and efficiently clear each floor and still get the same perfect score as someone who speed runs it.

dense plover Apr 28, 2021, 11:13 PM

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@drowsy leaf none of the stuff ion mentioned is in this build

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He literally said next build

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What we are seeing right now is essentially the dev implementation of the initial systems and strings

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You will not need to time to unlock new layers

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Also pretty sure right now you CANT unlock above layer 8

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The strings to unlock them literally don’t exist

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And a bunch of the score systems aren’t actually in yet either assuming the soul rescue and run breaking strings are staying

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*Urn breaking

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The clear intention is to give you a choice between speed running or efficiently full or near full clearing to get 5 stars

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And the upgrades will make both of those methods more feasible

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Ideally, you’ll spec into the stuff from the tree that helps the method you like more as a priority

grim canyon Apr 28, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Actually now that I think about, thats a pretty damn good reason we likely wont have a build this week, if the next build has the torghast revisions active

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But it can also be a major risk if that instability already present isnt cleared up

drowsy leaf Apr 29, 2021, 12:00 AM

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dense plover <@196259939046522880> none of the stuff ion mentioned is in this build

excellent then

mossy meteor Apr 29, 2021, 12:13 AM

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i haven't been on the ptr for a few days but last time it was stable

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which was like, saturday?

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 2:01 AM

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There are still instances of crashing and the game locking up

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Same on my end, was testing it a few hours ago, still quite a bit unstable

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 4:23 AM

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dense plover Also oldest of 3 siblings....

More peach lore,i like it

tropic trail Apr 29, 2021, 4:27 AM

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dense plover Also oldest of 3 siblings....

I turn 35 this year and am the oldest of 11 siblings. Wanna trade? khadgarface

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Please, I'll give them away at this point

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 4:31 AM

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11 siblings sounds like those early 1900s families

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 4:48 AM

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strange falcon More peach lore,i like it

i could be lying

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https://tenor.com/view/hehe-raccoon-ornery-gif-10625001

Tenor

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 4:48 AM

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🤔

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 4:52 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/maniacal-laugh-muppets-gif-10668847

Tenor

tiny stream Apr 29, 2021, 8:11 AM

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I played for 20 minutes, just running around korthia, and the game crashed 6 times. It's very unstable

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Especially near the edges of Korthia

earnest pivot Apr 29, 2021, 12:16 PM

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does clearing torghast layer 11 give you soul ash aswell of cinders or you have to do 8 for ash and 11 for cinders in case of new leggo

cunning fossil Apr 29, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Floors above 8 award you Soul Ash and Cinders

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So you're good

signal bone Apr 29, 2021, 1:19 PM

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turn off dx12 in korthia, go to 11

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 1:49 PM

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signal bone turn off dx12 in korthia, go to 11

Same effect, DX had nothing to do with it.

vernal magnet Apr 29, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Hello

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1 ptr build pls

solar temple Apr 29, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Goodbye
2 rtp destroy no thx

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 2:57 PM

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vernal magnet 1 ptr build pls

Programmers too busy going actually clinically insane trying to find where the F is the floating point error being caused between 16years of code

vernal magnet Apr 29, 2021, 3:00 PM

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just turn the servers off and on again

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should fix it

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 3:35 PM

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strange falcon Programmers too busy going actually clinically insane trying to find where the F...

Not 16 years of code, but what happened in the build to break it

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Problem is they rewrote so much in that ptr build, that they have to recomb through all that

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https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/commit/c4fbc6b689037d4b2601de1618911c747f7cf0bd

This commit contains most of the lua changes from the last build, and the error derives from solely this commit, unless in the extremly unlikely case that the rewrites exposed an older error

stiff vector Apr 29, 2021, 3:43 PM

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There's much and much more code than interface code being rewritten between builds

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It's unlikely for an interface error to crash the game like that

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Why did they write so much UI code? Is it for torghast

silent urchin Apr 29, 2021, 4:02 PM

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It's mostly battle pet stuff and it's mostly a bunch of static data

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it's really not a lot of actual code

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just takes up space

cunning fossil Apr 29, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Battle pet stuff is equal code bitch.fite me

tropic trail Apr 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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When’s the new PTR Build coming?

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Did we get one yet this week?

stiff vector Apr 29, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Not yet

signal bone Apr 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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how are people playing the new torghast then? Wasn't that disabled as of the last build?

stiff vector Apr 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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the new wing opened up with weekly reset

signal bone Apr 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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ah

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 4:52 PM

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people are complaining because they mistakenly think "this is it" while the torghast rework is gravely unfinished from what we know of the datamined stuff

tiny stream Apr 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Does anyone know how to reload yourself on PTR (Without creating a new character). I got into an area of Korthia that hard crashed and now everytime I try to load in that character it hard crashes

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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in the live game you'd use the character unstuck service

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but i dont think you can on the ptr

tiny stream Apr 29, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Well....I guess I may have to make a new character to test things. (I just want to skip the patch intro experience)

tropic trail Apr 29, 2021, 6:15 PM

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stiff vector Not yet

I hope it’s today. Say, do you think the Jailer’s gonna claim the final sigil? Cause Ik that whatever choice Sylvanas makes in the new book is not going to be apart of the raid, since the book comes in November, and the raid will likely come much earlier

tiny stream Apr 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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I assume so. It would be weird for him not to get it

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 6:28 PM

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tropic trail I hope it’s today. Say, do you think the Jailer’s gonna claim the final sigil? C...

IF there was a build today, it needs to fix the instability otherwise it'll continue pushing the schedule back, simply put.

ionic terrace Apr 29, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Realms are down so it's today

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 6:48 PM

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the realms being down are not a 100% guarantee of an update

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Could be server-side changes/realm restarts/maintenance

silent urchin Apr 29, 2021, 6:52 PM

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it's almost 100% a build

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maintenance is done at the same time as US live, iirc

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or similar, at least

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Not true in every case. If there's critical stuff they want to address, Blizzard reserves the right (And has done before) to do sporadic/atypical restarts for maintenance.

Granted, Zorb is active on twitter today, which increases the chance of a build, but my prior points still stand that a build today is fundamentally useless if it isnt reliable enough to gather feedback

silent urchin Apr 29, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I mean I spent 3 hours on ptr earlier today doing quests without any stability issues

tropic trail Apr 29, 2021, 6:57 PM

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I had lots of instability earlier this week, but yesterday I had no issues whatsoever

pulsar minnow Apr 29, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Haven’t had many issues either on my end. The occasional lag spike but no crashes

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Sometimes i ask myself where did this CDA guy come from,i know he wasnt active at launch

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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He generally knows what he is talking about

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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I tested it yesterday as well, and still had some instability. Granted it wasn't as severe as when the build first released, but it was still present.

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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But yeah, I think build is likely

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They probably got the data they needed to figure out the problem and test the fix

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Also with torghast having gone up in a broken state they need to push the torghast changes to show that this isn’t final

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No matter how obvious that is to the majority of us here

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 7:03 PM

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strange falcon Sometimes i ask myself where did this CDA guy come from,i know he wasnt active a...

I only recently became active when I started developing Wow Addons (SL is the first xpac that I'm taking the game and it's audience seriously enough to develop addons on it). I view the game from a developer's standpoint, hence why my tone is mostly logical and may come off a bit rude at times (Though that only means that I care deeply that Blizzard makes the right choices on both ends of the scale).

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:03 PM

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CDA is new but clearly isn’t ignorant

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That’s all that really matters to me

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I hate the idiots that sometimes show up here or on Reddit and complain about the state of ptr as if it’s a RC

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Not that feedback isn’t important but feedback needs to go to the right place

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I purposefully haven’t touched new torghast because the wings available aren’t the thing they want tested yet

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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dense plover That’s all that really matters to me

This feels like those speedrunning documentaries,when they get a new collaborator/sidekick

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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They will likely have a feedback thread this week or if not will mention the changes in the change log

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Peach seems pleased by the cda guy

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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I only hate the doomers and the idiots

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And Pyro

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I hate that guy

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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God ive seen too many doomers resurface after these torghast changes

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Tbf, that one torment that is time based is bad

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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"This will kill torghast" "with this,shadowlands is dead" god,spare me the details and go on the forums please

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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It needs to be removed

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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dense plover I hate the idiots that sometimes show up here or on Reddit and complain about th...

I definitly dislike that as well, hence given that I'm new, I try to back up everything I'm saying on past patterns so my words have a solid foundation. I may not always be correct in my opinion, but I'm also not always wrong.

What I mostly want from Blizzard is builds that had gone through the ringer and got enough testing to where users can go in and be able to give reliable feedback. MY reasoning at being so upset this week is just because that it was noticed beforehand that there was a high chance of instability, but a build was pushed anyways (Which while they need to meet schedules, it did also push back other schedules preventing viable feedback).

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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The rest is fine assuming they can balance the time based and full clear play styles to both potentially give 5 stars

ionic terrace Apr 29, 2021, 7:08 PM

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it's out

strange falcon Apr 29, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I havent seen pad in AGES

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:08 PM

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grim canyon I definitly dislike that as well, hence given that I'm new, I try to back up eve...

So - I’m my experience, the reason they pushed this build even though it was broken is because they couldn’t do the raid testing without it and didn’t have enough data to nail down the issue

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Nice - new build! 😊

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Someone tell me the download size

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 7:09 PM

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The thing there is though that understandably, they likely didnt have enough data to know how many people it would effect

dense plover Apr 29, 2021, 7:09 PM

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That’s also true

grim canyon Apr 29, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Had they known the scale of the issue, the build likely would have halted deployment

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753MB build also