beta-ptr-spoilers

[tropic trail]

NO, BAD

PUT IT BACK IN THE DECK

[terse patrol]

I’m an Anduin/Yrel shipper.

They just need to meet.

[tropic trail]

Naaaah, Anduin x Talia for the win

[terse patrol]

ew

One, too expected. Two, bland af. She was created clearly just to be his girlfriend.

[tropic trail]

What? She's a charming young lady when she's not crying over her daddy issues

But Anduin has daddy issues too so it works out

[terse patrol]

He needs a strong Draenei mommy.

Anduin’s crushes all tend to be older women anyways.

[tropic trail]

You can put that back in your r34 folder tyvm

[terse patrol]

He even oggles up a middle aged tavern keeper lady in the recent book

Who had biggum booba

[tropic trail]

"And who's this? Oh no and here comes Tess Greymane with the chair!!"

[terse patrol]

i mean

She would be more fitting, considering his interests

[tropic trail]

At least she's also a princess

[terse patrol]

jaina

[tropic trail]

Leave Thrall's side chick out of this

[terse patrol]

Who may or may not be his real mom

shot

[terse patrol]

I am sadly for the Arthas and Jaina being his real parents plot.

[tropic trail]

Naaaah

[terse patrol]

Varian saving Anduin from the Jailer:

https://youtu.be/vcOojJ3IVw4

[tropic trail]

Don't you drag poor Tiffin's name through the mud like this

[terse patrol]

I mean

Varian adopting his best friends son to protect him.

And Tiffin taking him as her own

imo, that’s better parents than most

🤔

@tropic trail

[tropic trail]

No I hate it 😭

[terse patrol]

Imagine all the people who’d have wanted Anduin dead if they’d known he was Arthas’ son.

[tropic trail]

I mean true

But still

[terse patrol]

Sylvanas definitely

She’d have spite killed him for certain

[tulip sun]

Hmm

If that is true e.e

[terse patrol]

Blizzard keeps hammering the Arthas similarities with him and it’s making me suspicious.

And the fact Jaina is always kinda keeping an eye on him.

[unborn glacier]

Lmfao

[tulip sun]

So where do you think the leaders will appear?;

The three dwarves...velen, theron

[pulsar minnow]

They won’t ;)

Blizz will just forget about them until they’re relevant, which of course the dwarves never are unfortunately

[terse patrol]

@tulip sun My guess is for the end of 9.1

The patch epilogue

[tulip sun]

They're already added to the builds

[pulsar minnow]

Oh shit holdup fr?

[terse patrol]

“wow back on azeroth and everything has gone to shit”

[tulip sun]

I suppose that makes sense

I didn't e pect to leave the shadowlands so soon but it makes sense

With the jailer ascending somewhere

The only thing to ascend to is the portal to azeroth

I think

[terse patrol]

I mean, BFA stopped being about the war after 8.1 basically

And switched to Old Gods

[pulsar minnow]

I personally think next patch is going to explain the Jailer’s backstory and take us to the remnants of his original Shadowlands domain or something relating to it

Then the 9.3 raid will be the literal Heart of Azeroth

[tulip sun]

That is an escalation

[pulsar minnow]

Well I was thinking First One stuff in 9.2 and then Azeroth’s origins in 9.3 and how that relates to the Jailer. Granted I’m biased because I think Azeroth isn’t a Titan but a First One

But at this point I don’t know what’ll happen because we blew through so much material in this patch

[terse patrol]

We haven’t resolved Sargeras’ sword, so I doubt we’re doing anything related to Azeroth’s world soul.

[tulip sun]

I feel like the world soul will be a thread not dealt with till like

One of the final stories

[terse patrol]

I think the Jailer is going to be in Icecrown and will be heading up his invasion of the world of the living.

[pulsar minnow]

The Jailer’s primary goal is to consume the soul of Azeroth, and it feels like Shadowlands is the end of this trilogy with Sylvanas

So they could go the World Soul route

[tulip sun]

Everyone's goal is to get the world soul lol

It isn't just the jailer

[pulsar minnow]

True, but Azeroth has an innate connection to the Shadowlands. Unlike the Old Gods or whatever

[terse patrol]

Control of Azeroth is control of all the cosmos.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s because of her we can activate First One Relics which is really suspicious

[tulip sun]

Shadowlands is for every mortal and wild God in existence

There is still many people vying for the world soul

It ain't ending this soon

[terse patrol]

The big theory is that Azeroth is like an omni titan.

Whose essence is tied to each wing of the cosmos.

[pulsar minnow]

So... a First One?

[terse patrol]

Ye

Likely.

[tulip sun]

We don't know enough about first ones to say whether thatd fit.

[terse patrol]

I mean, she could be a First One who the Titans found and decided to shape to be their own.

[pulsar minnow]

We know they created the cosmos and our entire cosmology. And seeing as how Azeroth can somehow activate First One waystones and is extraordinarily powerful, I don’t think it’s that far-fetched

[tulip sun]

Maybe

I honestly am just interested in the factions more than ever due to the hordes new government

[uncut vault]

Based on thralls new model and status name, they seem to already be abandoning it

[pulsar minnow]

wasn't it said that the Horde has no need for a Warchief in a time without war? So maybe this is just Thrall stepping up as Warchief in Shadowlands since they're officially at war

[dense plover]

so - raid testing on the 22nd

means new build before that

[mossy meteor]

interesting bosses too

[grim canyon]

@dense plover you may be correct.

Ah wait nvm

[dense plover]

Idk if that’s it

[grim canyon]

It wasn't about ptr

I looked to the right of twitter

[dense plover]

Still plenty of time today

[grim canyon]

It was about the George Floyd stuff from the tweets, but yea still time

[unborn glacier]

-.- god damn it. Why cant people keep politics on that hellhole twitter?

[grim canyon]

Tbh, I thought it was Zorb being cryptic (Hell, it still might be)

[uncut vault]

He definitely is not in this case

[grim canyon]

Indeed, he is not.

[dense plover]

usually its like a meme gif related to pressing forward or pushing a button

[full willow]

Hi, is there a ptr build tonight ?

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

def looking less likely

probably tomorrow or thursday before raid testing

[grim canyon]

Oh it's definitly too late atm

[full willow]

noo 😦

[uncut vault]

best to just expect build late tomorrow or early thursday before raid testing

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault He had the warchief title??

[uncut vault]

his new statue, which is where we first saw his new model, is called Warchief Thrall

[tulip sun]

Oh. Well until we see it ingame I am not expecting a warchief until faction wars spark up.

[uncut vault]

and the box talks about him serving as warchief to the end of his days and no longer hiding from his role

[tulip sun]

If anything it could be a more honorary thing

Like how you still refer to former presidents as president so and so

[uncut vault]

my hope is that its more like president during war times, temporary power thats given back once its done

but its blizz and they do easy nostalgia so just making him warchief again will probably just be that and done (until they want to change it again)

[tulip sun]

That's straight up what they said. Pretty much.

That warchiefs are not needed during time of peace.

Thrall seems like a logical choice if a warchief is needed for an upcoming war though

(I WOULD enjoy seeing others get the chance though. Let one per race be warchief xD)

Oh my lawd

Some interesting stuff just popped 7p

Up

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=352901/march-of-the-forsaken

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=348584/mass-charm

[tulip sun]

Rip

Kelthuzad ability

And probably a revamped theron fight

[dense plover]

assuming they make war chief not the same as head of the horde, and that the council still has power during times of war, itll be fine

[tulip sun]

Id say moreso likeeee

Supreme Commander

Its how I imagine it anyhow

[dense plover]

there was just another wow classic build

so we still have a SMALL chance

[stiff vector]

it was the same build US went live with

[dense plover]

oh ok

so nothing

[stiff vector]

i wouldn't go that far as the circumstances are suspicious

[dense plover]

yeah usually builds dont go out this late unless they are working longer

we have had some 8pm PST builds before

tho its very unusual

[stiff vector]

i mean the timing is because maintenance just started in EU

[dense plover]

oh

[stiff vector]

The suspicious part is another cdnconfig push for the same build config that already went live in US

[dense plover]

still - i imagine they want the next ptr patch on ptr before raid testing in case it has issues that need to be fixed for raid testing

thats super weird

[stiff vector]

But I'm too lazy to get out of bed to check

Super tiny archive so probably nothing of note

[uncut vault]

charm for lorthemar seems weird

especially with that forsaken one, maybe its a flashback to something with sylvanas and lorthemar fighting together?

Oh, the forsaken one is from Kelthuzads fight

just poorly named on blizzard's end

[unborn glacier]

I'd take it. Horde Council is so freaking stupid. Give us a Warchief.

[tropic trail]

But wouldn't a mass group of a myriad of nations be best represented by members of each of those groups? 🤔

Let the Alliance keep their empire theme. Even the Mongolian Khanates had representative councils

[uncut vault]

yeah the fights are definitely getting revamped

[terse patrol]

@uncut vault Seems weird they’re doing all these fight changes.

Think they might be doing a soft revamp next expac?

[tulip sun]

I hope they add other leaders to it

Kiro, Geyarah

The pandaren

They're all out in the open world

Are the abilities actually different? Compared to old ones

[tropic trail]

I mean, they might be revamping the For the...! achieves with all current leaders

[tulip sun]

Thatd be great tbh

[tulip sun]

I'm not saying they're connected but

It is interesting that the two with a revamped fight are one of the few leaders added last build

[cunning fossil]

Hey what fights are you all talking about revamping?

Sorry to qsk

Ask*

[tulip sun]

@cunning fossil Racial leader fights

[unborn glacier]

"For the Council!" Doesn't have the same ring to it as, "For the Warchief!"

[tropic trail]

That's why everyone says "For the Horde" already

[tropic trail]

As it should be

[tribal sand]

anyone got an idea how the Tormentors of Torghast works?

stuck with no enemies anywhere to find

[grim canyon]

Seems the next build is in the Alpha testing branch atm 😄

[tulip sun]

Is that good

[silent urchin]

that's been up there for a little while. the build that failed yesterday was 38383 which is higher than that

[grim canyon]

Ah, then I wonder what 38360 would have had then

[unborn glacier]

Probably vendor build

[stiff vector]

no, vendor is on 9.0.5 still

38360 was probably a candidate to go on ptr like they usually are

but they found something during testing that made them withhold it

and the followup build failing probably didnt help either :v

[grim canyon]

Probably this is what happened, but I guess we'll see on Thursday if a ptr build is able to come out

[dense plover]

Could be today too

After failed builds, both Wednesday and Thursday become possibilities

Realistically they probably want to push it today in case they have to fix anything for raid testing tomorrow

[grim canyon]

That's also a fair point, though it is already tipping into release window time for today, so I wouldn't hold my breath for wednesday

[ionic terrace]

shutdown in 15

5

[mystic heart]

yeaboii

[ionic terrace]

by the way, i went to see if falstad used any new spells or whatever and the three of them literally fell over so there's some sort of scaling issue there

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/SeTec9/status/1384962902147411968

Jared Gillis || https://stopasianhate.carrd.co (@SeTec9)

In a patch day zoom call and everyone's talking about deli sandwiches on dutch crunch bread and I am weeping that I live near no restaurant that offers good deli sandwiches nor dutch crunch =(

Twitter · Apr 21, 2021, 8:11 PM

build tonight for sure

wow server engineer

[grim canyon]

Eh, the call could be discussing if there's any further issues before ops get the green light

Albeit a twitter post like this does make this look more likely

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1384975645558525956?s=20

Zorbrix (@Zorbrix)

https://t.co/eXG92MbRsP

Twitter · Apr 21, 2021, 9:01 PM

[obtuse vine]

New build is here!

[cunning fossil]

Yeet

[silent urchin]

build 38394

[mossy meteor]

rip 38383

gone but not forgotten

[obtuse vine]

Also there’s a new Sylvanas book which was just announced

[mossy meteor]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23665016/warcraft-sylvanas-now-available-for-pre-purchase

[dense plover]

I’m confused how a book in November is going to be interesting when that key choice will be in game before then

Also boo on me being at work so I can’t mine

[grim canyon]

One thing Id wish is that there was a section on the cdn for archived builds, like ones that didnt make the cut or had issues
Would be a good bit of experience to see what types of bugs caused the issue and how they got fixed

[dense plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696800517170397294/834537162334404628/unknown.png

Korthia map

[silent urchin]

wowhead stream is up

[dense plover]

Almost definitely not done considering LOD on the left half

This will likely see further iteration

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696800517170397294/834537751008509965/2PiMP0PaNFXxS8VrqDkz6jBfNAO10v4PPaUY3HgnU9kAAAAASUVORK5CYII.png

Full res

[terse patrol]

I’m going to be surprised if the big twist isn’t going to be the soul merger. We see Uther’s soul is split.

So, what if Sylvanas’ was too when she was killed?

@dense plover

It’s the only REMOTE way they can “redeem” her

[pulsar minnow]

I dont think her soul was split. Uther's soul was saved by the light right?

thats why it split

[terse patrol]

One part was eaten by Frostmourne.

One part went to the Shadowlands.

So, the part back on Azeroth that we meet at ICC

is still out there.

We probably have to fuse his soul.

[pulsar minnow]

Yes. And that was because he said "light, save my soul." Rather than just have his entire soul consumed by Frostmourne, only half of it was

They did put a lot of emphasis on that line

[terse patrol]

Doesn’t change the fact that half of him is still on Azeroth.

And his scar from Frostmourne will likely be healed when he’s fused back together.

[pulsar minnow]

I never refuted that?

[terse patrol]

Anyways. There’s the possibility that Sylvanas may have suffered a similar fate.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, but based on the cinematic it seems the only reason Uther's soul was split was because of the Light's intervention. Meanwhile Sylvanas didn't appear to be split at all

[terse patrol]

Easy retcon on Blizzard’s part.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up meeting her High Elf somewhere. Maybe imprisoned by the Jailer or something.

[burnt flicker]

so there is a new patch from 9,1 ?

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but people would be up in arms over a sylvanas redemption done that cheaply. i think blizz knows that

[terse patrol]

That’s the only way I can see them making Sylvanas semi redeemable. AKA, make it so she was never in her right mind due to the split.

[pulsar minnow]

and yeah new patch

er- build

[terse patrol]

That’s the issue. The only way to do it is to be cheap, because she’s too evil to make her redeemable in any other way.

[dense plover]

I don’t think they’re going to redeem her. I don’t think they’re going to kill her either though. I think she’s going to make a selfish choice that doesn’t help the jailer and happens to help us but is clearly still helping herself

[mystic heart]

best patch
can't login 😄

[terse patrol]

I’m calling her selfishly saving Anduin only because she herself feels arbitrarily bad about it.

[pulsar minnow]

Seeing as how we can get her shoulders, bow, quiver, and dragonhawk it really feels like her death will be "final" at the end of this raid. We don't exactly know what happens to a mortal soul should they die in the Shadowlands in their OG body. Perhaps Sylvanas will go back to the Arbiter or her soul will be sent to Revendreth to atone?

[vernal juniper]

https://i.imgur.com/9ftDQtp.png

is that new?

the one above the vesige of origins

[terse patrol]

So, how do you think Sylvanas will try to play backsies with Anduin and save him from the Jailer as an attempt to atone? Dies in the process and goes to the Arbiter for sorting? @dense plover

They keep showing her look conflicted for a reason.

[pulsar minnow]

"Zobaald, I have come to take back Anduin-sama." dies

best way to end it imo

[grim canyon]

My first thought on the build is that it's much more unstable so far

Two crashes so far, both from jumping and HL

[silent urchin]

Mine kept disconnecting on login

finally got in after a dozen or so tries

[grim canyon]

i honestly think they should have waited to tomorrow

Crash #3, 2 seconds after joining, unknown cause

[pulsar minnow]

they might try to push a new build in later in the week to try and fix some of this

[grim canyon]

They are gonna have to, this isnt stable enough for raid tests atm

So they either have to pump a new build or skip tomorrows testing

[silent urchin]

crashed trying to fly to oribos

now I can't login again

[grim canyon]

For real though, why on earth did they think pushing this so soon after such a critical error was a good idea, much less this many changes a day before critical testing

[pulsar minnow]

might have felt rushed to push it before said testing

[silent urchin]

build errors happen all the time, I expect

there's no guarantee the next build will be any more stable

[grim canyon]

Not that severe to where it stops compiling.

[silent urchin]

I thought torghast was open but it turns out none of the portals are active

[grim canyon]

I wonder if the console might be able to give more error info (Atm >5 crashes within 5 seconds)

[silent urchin]

turning graphics down seems like it may help with crashes

[pulsar minnow]

not getting any crashes in Elysian Hold. I think it might be something to do with people in a given area

[grim canyon]

Seems it may be just oribos

As I managed to get to the Korthia portal and its all perfectly normal now.

[pulsar minnow]

yeah just flew to oribos now im stuck lmao

[grim canyon]

Though if so, how did they manage to brick only Oribos xD (It's such an intresting bug)

[pulsar minnow]

ooooh raid tints are in

Mythic is legendary

[grim canyon]

Camera bug is sadly still present.

[burnt flicker]

Again no arthas :(

[pulsar minnow]

So it seems for the raid armor they removed the glow effects for every variant except the Mythic Variant which matches the Legendary sets

here's heroic for instance

[crisp steeple]

good

[languid yoke]

they added two toys for leatherworking

[pulsar minnow]

Really neat detail - for those looking to get mats for Trials of Ascension, the Korthia beasts drop all 4 materials

[pulsar minnow]

Flying

[grim canyon]

About to finish that now atm

Time tl fly to tazavesh

[pulsar minnow]

:O

[grim canyon]

You can already get there by abusing ardenweld height limits so with full flight its even easier

[pulsar minnow]

Good point

[grim canyon]

and since it passes the kill barriers you can technically fly wherever you want

So im gonna test blizzards 30 minute excuse.

[pulsar minnow]

The Primus was too cool he crashed my game

[grim canyon]

same

[pulsar minnow]

nose too long

[grim canyon]

indeed haha xD

[mystic heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHajXxU1cE
epic questline!

[pulsar minnow]

I was very glad to see Anduin finally show up in the questline

Its happening! - Lol there's an entire quest dedicated to retrieving his axe too. I dont believe this was in last weeks build

[uncut vault]

Korthia is just... entirely bricked for me now

three characters that cant log in at all, one of which wasnt even in the memory sink area

[mossy meteor]

working fine for me

not sure if it's related to my pc being not great

apparently dx12 is causing the crashes?

and my gpu doesn't support dx12

[dusty trellis]

What are the new Druid legendary powers?

[grim canyon]

Loading into Oribos is a bit...broken atm

Loadong screen not even moving and i need to get to oribos to continue campaign

[dense plover]

I don’t think she will save anduin. I think he is going to save himself when the jailer isn’t able to control him during a difficult moment like when he kills us all in the final raid, he will be like “for the light, for azeroth”, free himself and save us

[grim canyon]

Instance not found for Oribos

[dense plover]

It’s gonna be similar to the arthas fight in wrath in that specific moment

Or it might be a phase where we fight qnduin and he kills us

And then does that

No way anduin is free this patch

[grim canyon]

Id like to guess he sturggles to regain control during our fight with him

[pulsar minnow]

He could also just be the 9.2 raid boss

and we just have to do the good ol' "punch him until he's a good guy" maneuver

[dense plover]

Nah, anduin is a reflection of arthas but not him

We are going to fight him and he is going to feel like a fancy arthas fight

And then he will kill us

And then we will come back

I think he will likely be a phase in the jailer final fight

A mini arthas fight

And then he will save us from death and save himself and then fight with us to stop the jailer

This entire expac is like wrath 2.0

Illidan got his guldan skull monent

Moment

Anduin needs his arthas kill all of us moment

But then he needs to save us, showing that the light is more powerful and that he is a better person etc etc

It might be 9.2 tbf

[pulsar minnow]

You're making it sound like hes the endboss

[dense plover]

He is either the boss of 9.2

Or he will be a phase in the jailer end boss fight

It’s gotta be a big moment or it means nothing

And with the in engine fancy cutscene stuff they showed off during the maw intro, they can do complex animations in game so that it can occur mid raid while remaining unskippable or something

These are my predictions - I could be wrong, but if I’m right it would be pretty cool

And it plays into the story they are trying to tell

Bbl. ping me with questions about my theory if you have them so I can respond later

[uncut vault]

Anduin freeing himself seems kind of... pointless to show him specifically unable to resist or sylvanas having regrets over it lol

I agree he wont be free this patch but him just doing it himself would be dumb

[pulsar minnow]

all he has to do is 🌟 believe🌟 and he'll be free! He needs the power of friendship with Sylvanas and he can beat the Jailer

[cunning fossil]

SYlvanas gets no redemption

[pulsar minnow]

But she looked sad! That's all the reason we need

are you meaning to tell me that if you were killed by an agent of some super evil darkness, and were given the ability to return to life, you wouldn't just go ahead and join that super evil darkness?

[uncut vault]

I mean if the alternative is unimaginable torture for the rest of eternity, probably 😛

[tulip sun]

Is the database updated yet

[pulsar minnow]

You raise a good point. >:(

[mossy meteor]

ooooooooooookay

that chapter ending was

fun

despite many bugs and crashes

managed to finish the campaign

[pulsar minnow]

I couldn't get past the ride on that stoneborn

kept crashing

what happened at the end of the chapter?

[mossy meteor]

well

natherzim

and because i'm venthyr

i got this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/834595133643161620/unknown.png

[pulsar minnow]

I see. That's cool.

Question then if you were venthyr: did you see Disciple Nikolas in the Desmotaeron section with Thrall and Draka?

I'm wondering if that was a Kyrian-only piece of the story

[mossy meteor]

yeah

i did

i'll do it again on my kyrian tomorrow

it's 3am and i'm gonna go to sleep now

[pulsar minnow]

Ah okay. Thanks

[grim canyon]

I managed to get myself stuck unfortunatly xD

Walking at all on my toon throws a floating point error xD

[uncut vault]

these screen freezes in korthia are terrifying for me

Ive done this questline four time,s have three characters permalocked in the windswept area

[dense plover]

im gonna guess this is probably related to the error that stopped the build from shipping

but they fixed it serverside or in the raid

so at the very least raid testing will work

[mossy meteor]

I had no issues in korthia

But damn what an interesting campaign

Feels a lot bigger, ie, more quests

And longer

[dense plover]

omg im just getting to datamining

"43941 BLIZZ_DISCLAIMER_FORMAT Copyright 2004-%s Blizzard Entertainment. All Rights Reserved."

i think this means no more having to set the year manually

[grim canyon]

You can still just barely make it to Tazzavesh in 9.1 xD

But that dust exploit is mega fixed

Every single tree in ardenwald has a triangle bound surrounding them for both dust and flight

And Tazzavesh has a massive wall bound around it as well

[dense plover]

theres a FP to tazavesh

you talk to the barge guy i think

or the flight master

its clearly WIP

[uncut vault]

yeah this pretty clearly sets us up failing in the raid at the end

[grim canyon]

The barge isnt unlocked atm

Im trying to see if there's a way to bypass blizz's adjustments to ardenwald

Because if there is a way, and if there are no bounds inside of Tazzavesh then I'm free to go anywhere i wish xD

[dense plover]

not really a surprise

again - wrath 2.0

sanctum of domination is our first push into torghast

and we lose

just like our first push into icecrown at the wrathgate

now, obviously its going to diverge at 9.2 due to the difference in patch structure

but i fully expect anduin to either be a 9.2 boss, or more likely, a phase boss in the final jailer fight

looks like replenish the reservoir now carries over between weeks if you dont finish it instead of resetting

still no music btw

uh oh, oribos is broken

and korthia DCs

[upper edge]

Dude holyshit idk how far everyone has gotten but the rune carver was the Primus the whole time I knew it lmfao and he’s alive too what a fucking chad mate

[dense plover]

youre a week late

[upper edge]

Well shit

[uncut vault]

was The Power of a Crown bugged for anyone else? theyre running into an unpassable door for me

[dense plover]

keeper's respite is a rested area!

lots of new creatures

[oak lynx]

Anyone have continuous disconnect issues (and game crashing issues such as fatal errors) in the latest ptr build? I keep on crashing and disconnecting in the quests after killing vyraz. Now I am forever stuck at the quest to first meet the stonewright as I can't even login to my character now. I have no problems in logging into my other characters in ptr though.

[strange falcon]

Its probably a problem with where your character is right now,this can happen rarely on live too,where upon falling somewhere you get disconnect loop,

Usually the unstuck tool on blizzards site is used

In this case id suggest remaking the character

[dense plover]

so - pretty sure this is the vault of secrets area we will come back to for the covenant empowerment stuffs

read the chat

he uses anduins magic to bring all of his maw goons back

runecarver being here is an echo of the primus so the mechanic doesnt have to be updated but is canon

and now i cant log back in

wait nvm

just needed to restart

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Do you know if any leaders received updates in their fights again?

[dense plover]

you cant fly in the maw

the zones have invsible walls around them - this includes heights in some places and the total area

[tulip sun]

Anduin looks so much like Arthas it is insane

[obsidian turtle]

probably intentional

even in the cinematic at blizzcon Uther looked at him maybe doing a double take because it either looked like Arthas, or his wound in his chest was reacting to the maw powers being right there

[strange falcon]

So runecarver IS the primus?
I know many ppl hoped theyd be 2 different ppl

[strange falcon]

The bfa lordaeron cinematic also mimics perfectly shot by shot the arthas lordaeron cinematic

Totally intentional

[austere gazelle]

It's all somehow fits TBH, Wod and Legion were like a TBC 2.0, and SL is a WOTLK 2.0. We're probably aiming at a Cataclysm 2.0 next

[strange falcon]

Wod was tbc with a sprinkle of legion but in outland,
And legion was all legion+illidan without outland xd

What was bfa tho compared to wotlk

[austere gazelle]

a prelude to Wotlk? xD

We have drust/vrykul , boats, trolls; old gods

but that is the same as several other expansion though

[strange falcon]

So you're saying bfa is the first patches of wotlk

And sl is the icecrown patch

[austere gazelle]

I'm not saying that. Bfa could just be a filler expack between both

[strange falcon]

🤔

[faint bolt]

From Quintessence on Twitter, the 10,000 Pet Charm pet now occasionally emotes and gives you a rainbow trail like the Prismatic Bauble toy from the Mad Merchant.

https://mobile.twitter.com/perksnpeeves/status/1385054661703393281

Quintessence (@perksnpeeves)

The 10k Baubleworm pet now occasionally emotes and puts a "Prismatic Light" buff on you that makes rainboooowws 🌈 https://t.co/OHSQzjRdCO

Twitter · Apr 22, 2021, 2:15 AM

@tulip sun Mekkatorque received a new model in BFA due to becoming a boss. You mean that?

[strange falcon]

No he means that the fight mechanics were datamined to be reworked

[tulip sun]

Falstad and Theron had abilities reworked last patch

[smoky ibex]

what itmlvl do people want for mythic raid?

[dull flame]

highest possible

[primal mirage]

in my experience, somehow higher than the ilvl loot that drops in mythic raid

[smoky ibex]

wtf

what itmlvl does mythic drop

i just realise this aint retail-wow chat

[strange falcon]

https://twitter.com/PreachGaming/status/1385136578528522241

Mike (@PreachGaming)

Set Eyeballs to stun. Tuesday we are sitting down with @WatcherDev to get our WoW talk on. Anything you want to have me ask? leave it here.

Likes

632

Twitter · Apr 22, 2021, 7:41 AM

[unborn glacier]

226/233

[terse patrol]

Least we’re almost done with her. Swear she gets a new model every expansion.

[unborn glacier]

Good

Can never be too much sylvanas

[solar temple]

In classic there was to much Sylvanas

[unborn glacier]

Nu

[terse patrol]

I will say, I like Denathrius. He reminds me of Pagan Min.

He’s protective of his firstborn, Renathal, despite his rebellion.

He just wants to give him a firm spankin’.

[primal mirage]

and that voice, right?

[dense plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717274584646418472/834775665257086976/SPOILER_975fe1955796c01b9f1f40eb7c7e0642.png

[mossy meteor]

yup

pretty big reveals

and everything is just

"this is what happened"

no messing around

[mossy meteor]

wonder if they'll hotfix some of the crashes tonight before testing

it's borderline unplayable at times

nice

[grim canyon]

Indeed. If they don't ,they'll have to cancel tonight testing, as the client's stability is on a teeter-totter at time

Worst part is the exact reproduction steps and what function fails is unknown

[arctic pendant]

Sounds like it cant fixed by changing some settings?

[grim canyon]

Nope

It's a floating point exception

Meaning somewhere in the adjusted code, a calculation is failing

But the reproduction for it is so unpredictable, I havent been able to pinpoint a specific function as the fault point

If I can, I could give a more detailed report on a possible fix, but if I cant find it, all Blizz will see is people sending the same error but different things they did

For reference, looking up FLT_INVALID_OPERATION shows that it's an invalid floating point operation

[broken patrol]

somebody dont crash but heavy dc

[grim canyon]

I think that could be the same thing, just the client has a failsafe (That ironically fails more often then not)

I too had instances where i disconnected instead of crashing

[broken patrol]

and not sure why garrsion is safety maybe because it's a dungeon

[grim canyon]

https://github.com/CDAGaming/wow-ui-source/commit/df2d0e03c616217ac573110c3e7c0551ec32cd44
This is the extracted code for the new build, several classes received significant rewrites and is the only lead so far on where the issue may lie at

[tulip sun]

To be fair so do Anduin and Thrall xD

[terse patrol]

Well, Anduin’s expected since he’s the leader of the Alliance.

Thrall? Well. Yeah. Green Jesus.

But even both of them haven’t gotten the updates Sylvanas has.

@tulip sun

Thrall got a model update in
Cata, WoD, and BFA so far.

Sylvanas got one in TBC if I recall, WotLK, Legion, BFA, and Shadowlands.

Anduin I think has had an equivalentish number to Sylvanas. Though he’s arguably a newer character and the heir to Varian.

When tf the Three Hammers gunna get their own models

[dense plover]

When they’re even slightly relevant

[terse patrol]

I guess that’d involve Blizzard writing a story for dwarves.

@dense plover

[dense plover]

Which won’t happen XD

[terse patrol]

when even mekkatorque gets a new model before Muradin fucking Bronzebeard

mentor and friend of Arthas

[dense plover]

Tbf, mekka was a raid boss

Also showed up in cutscenes

They don’t do old models in new cutscenes - they look out of place

[terse patrol]

Guess so. I just want to see someone as important as Muradin get some love

If they weren’t going to use him, they should have just let him stay dead.

[tulip sun]

Thrall got on in Shadowlands too

Two expansions back to back v.V

I don't think her model was different Legion to BfA WAS IT?

Gah sorry for the caps

They added the scar to her face but I don't remember any other changes.

I'd personally say all 3 of them are roughly equal

But they all get a ridiculous amount of Models to me.

So many other leaders I agree 100%, need them more.

Particularly Horde leaders.

[terse patrol]

I mean

Horde leaders afaik have the most custom models.

Am I wrong?

@dense plover

Thalyssra, Sylvanas, Thrall, Saurfang, Baine, Voljin, Lorthemar, Talanji

Uh

Alliance side there’s...

Anduin, Varian, Jaina, Genn, Tyrande, Malfurion, Mekkatorque, Velen, Alleria

Yeah nvm

Alliance has more custom models currently

[solar temple]

Talanji

[terse patrol]

Dwarves have been neglected overall tho

[solar temple]

Talanjis dad

[solar temple]

Crystal guy

[terse patrol]

He only got his model when he went neutral.

He’ll never be an Alliance leader now that his entire personality was taken from him.

[solar temple]

Now he wants azerite for all eternity

[terse patrol]

be surly dwarf who hates him some Horde.

[austere gazelle]

is there a specific things to do to avoid freeze and crashes on the ptr?

[terse patrol]

now an azerite addict who will work with Horde to get his fix

[austere gazelle]

or is it the build that is shitty

[solar temple]

Don't play ptr

[solar temple]

Lmao

[austere gazelle]

That's not an answer 🙂

[terse patrol]

This PTR build is buggy

So, no

[austere gazelle]

ok, so no tricks with lowering graphics and such

[solar temple]

I mean 😉

[terse patrol]

Afaik

No

Could be wrong

[pulsar minnow]

https://youtu.be/2pNpwqkmN54

[terse patrol]

Leaders who need models:
Muradin
Falstad
Moira
Aysa
Rokhan
Lillian Voss
Gazlowe
Ji
Mayla
Geya’rah
Kiro

[pulsar minnow]

Forgot Ji existed

[terse patrol]

Everyone does

[pulsar minnow]

F

[terse patrol]

tbh

Pandaren should have stopped being Alliance and Horde after Siege of Orgrimmar.

Their leaders are already basically neutral

Just like Velen.

I miss Maraad for that reason.

[solar temple]

Mayla?

[terse patrol]

He was the “real” leader of the Alliance Draenei.

Mayla Highmountain. @solar temple

[solar temple]

Ooooohhhh

[terse patrol]

Baine’s waifu.

[pulsar minnow]

Baine has no waifu. He has a husbando.

Anduin

[solar temple]

And aysa?

[pulsar minnow]

The Alliance Pandaren leader

[solar temple]

Oh, I don't play ally so 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I don’t think the Alliance remember her either

[solar temple]

Lmaoo

[terse patrol]

Eh

She at least has a function unlike Ji

She’s mentioned as the Alliance’s main diplomat

[solar temple]

Does she tho?

[pulsar minnow]

Hey Ji does his job standing in the Horde Embassy doing literally nothing

[terse patrol]

Ji just kinda

Fucks around

Aysa does stuff admittedly offscreen

But at least we’re told what she does

[pulsar minnow]

Ji is like the little brother when you give him the controller that isn’t plugged in

[terse patrol]

Lorewise she is the responsible one of the two, so it makes sense

[tropic trail]

Ji is a Horde ambassador and deals with acclimation and association, he says so much himself when you first go to the embassy for that quest to read all of the banners n stuff

[terse patrol]

What I show when people say Draenei aren’t badass:

[pulsar minnow]

Gosh that cinematic was so freaking awesome

[terse patrol]

Then they killed him off in that failure of an expansion.

[pulsar minnow]

The art direction for those shorts were so good and made every single race look badass instead of a goofy walking refrigerator

[terse patrol]

Imagine if he got to go to Argus

[pulsar minnow]

Ok now I’m just sad. Wasted potential to the max degree.

[tropic trail]

Why? Let the dude rest, he saw enough carnage on MU Draenor and when it got broken into Outland

[tropic trail]

"Hey man, y'know that Path of Glory? Well how about we have a look at your homeworld!"

[pulsar minnow]

Would’ve been much cooler to have him die cutting down swaths of demons in Mac’aree then just casting divine shield and getting blasted

[terse patrol]

The issue is, his death leaves the Alliance with no Alliance loyal leadership for the Draenei. Velen is arguably not even an Alliance leader.

[tropic trail]

What are you smoking and can I have some

[terse patrol]

When has Velen EVER fought the Horde?

Maraad went in WotLK in his stead.

[solar temple]

I just realized the fall of loardaron was 2 years ago. I'm so old

[tropic trail]

Why does he have to fight the Horde to be an Alliance leader? His concerns are for his people

[terse patrol]

We had hoped Yrel was going to take Maraad’s place.

But instead she stayed behind.

WoD killed off multiple main universe Alliance characters that we’ll never get back.

The Horde only lost a couple alt Draenor faces.

[tropic trail]

Maybe because we lost a warchief and dozens of other characters the previous expansion. idk how you can play this game for multiple expansions and not see the give and take

Unless you just wanna make hot takes all day here instead of forumposting

[solar temple]

Gumball did you have a rough day at work today?

[terse patrol]

RIP Commander Taylor.

Got killed by the Scourge somehow on an alternate planet.

[solar temple]

RIP Ray D Tear

[terse patrol]

(What a fucking joke that was.)

build Taylor up for three expansions

dies off screen to a fucking random lich

lmao

[tulip sun]

I still have slight hope that Yrel will be "saved" when the Lightbound inevitably come back

But as for the models

[terse patrol]

^

[tulip sun]

I loved Shadow's Rising

Firepaw played a decent part in it

[terse patrol]

If they villain bat her I’ll roll my eyes

I’m confident that we don’t have the full story of what’s happening on Alt Draenor.

[tulip sun]

At this point, as with the other races, the factions are their points though.

[strange falcon]

there's a new book tho

that came out very recently

[tulip sun]

I think it is more of a...the Naaru tricked/manipulated her tbh

Since they are going with all cosmic forces are more in the grey area

[terse patrol]

I do think it’s possible the Iron Horde may have accidentally caused it by interfering in the balance of the Breakers vs the Botani.

[tulip sun]

Maybe.

[terse patrol]

The balance of the world on Draenor is caused by the Breakers keeping the plants at bay.

[tulip sun]

But as for the models xD.

[terse patrol]

If one side wins, the planet dies

[tulip sun]

I think it is crazy how the Alliance still have more custom models despite having more leaders, lol

[tropic trail]

The fact is that fanatical devotion to any one of the primal forces of creation is bad, and if you don't match a fanatic's goals then you're next on their chopping block

[tulip sun]

Poor Horde Council

[terse patrol]

The Iron Horde wiped the Botani out, letting the Breakers run wild

[tulip sun]

Well, there are some Botani as we saw. But, yeah. They went to war.

[solar temple]

Quick question why is there a Naru in sanguine depths?

[tropic trail]

A diehard fanatic of the Light is just as bad as a devout cultist of the Old Gods

[tulip sun]

Rexxar, Valeera and Zekhan got models before actual leaders.

Shaw even looks a bit unique

Taelia has unique armor e.e

Like come on. Give the remaining leaders SOMETHING

[terse patrol]

She was left behind when the Light punished the Nathrezim for their trespasses against them.

@solar temple

[tropic trail]

It's an entire thing. You can speak to the naaru after you free her and after you defeat Denathrius in the raid

[tulip sun]

Actually

I think Kiro has unique clothing. So would that count? I don't know howd they make his model unique

[tropic trail]

And it's said that the Light invaded due to Denathrius's profane experiments

[solar temple]

Nathrezeim?

[tulip sun]

I am also so happy the Pandaren have an actual job via the Embassies.

[tropic trail]

Dreadlords

[terse patrol]

Denathrius created them.

He sent them to infiltrate the cosmic forces

The Light is the only one who found out.

So, the Light was naturally pissed.

[solar temple]

Ah ok

[tropic trail]

Cite that source, because according to that lore book about the cosmic operations there's still an agent working for them under their noses

[terse patrol]

I never said one wasn’t still.

But they did find out about it.

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/R10Ilawcf5q46Fz_QoqW3UwztRKW_fPhIoZNKVXDevc/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/717274584646418472/834775665257086976/SPOILER_975fe1955796c01b9f1f40eb7c7e0642.png

@tropic trail

[solar temple]

So does denathrius have a play in the legion?

[tulip sun]

If they ever gave the Pandaren unique models I think I would fall in love with the devs.

[tropic trail]

wut

[drowsy leaf]

dude the small cutscene at the end that shows the scrolling denathrius text was so funny to me

at the end of chapter 5 of the campaign

[terse patrol]

@solar temple Denathrius’ dreadlords manipulated Sargeras

So yes

[tropic trail]

The pandaren have their entire custom animation rig, model, and until WoD and BfA had the highest animation rig points and most current detailing than the other playable races

[tulip sun]

I mean like...unique leader models...that we were discussing.

Ji and Aysa

[tropic trail]

The dreadlords were literally the ones that told Sargeras about the Void Lords' plans to consume world souls which made him defect from the Pantheon and form the Burning Legion in the first place

That's been a known lore point for yeeeaaars

[solar temple]

So then I feel like there is a stronger connection between denathrius and ardenweald because of the attack on the emerald dream/nightmare. Or am I missing something?

[tropic trail]

....

You're definitely missing something if you don't know what's going on with the Nathrezim by this point

[solar temple]

I haven't looked into the shadow lands lore at all lol

[tropic trail]

We're talking BEFORE Shadowlands lore

It's been a fact of lore that they told Sargeras about the Void Lords already

[solar temple]

Yea and that's what caused the legion to invade azeroth

[tropic trail]

No, that's what caused the Legion to be created with Sargeras's fall in the first place

[solar temple]

Yes? And the legion being formed links to the legion attacking right?

[tropic trail]

Azeroth didn't draw Sargeras's attention until the Highborne under Azshara were experimenting on the Well of Eternity, potentially eons after Sargeras's fall and the Burning Legion's creation

[solar temple]

So they didn't get his attention until after he was dead?

[tropic trail]

What??

[solar temple]

That's what you said

[tropic trail]

No I didn't, I said after he left the Pantheon

[solar temple]

So is the pantheon like a group of god like beings?

[tropic trail]

When Sargeras left the Titan Pantheon and formed the Burning Legion after learning of the Void Lords and their plans, he wasn't even aware Azeroth existed

Okay, you're definitely missing too much lore for this conversation

[solar temple]

Ok

[pulsar minnow]

He was aware of Azeroth prior to becoming part of the Burning Legion. The Titans ordered the planet after it was corrupted almost entirely by old gods

[tropic trail]

He had nothing to do with that; he was off whoopin' demons

And the Titans didn't even finish ordering Azeroth by that point. They left mid-project and put the Keepers and Aspects in charge and then got destroyed by Sargeras

[pulsar minnow]

Good point.

Forgot about that part

Probably didn’t come up in conversation at the Pantheon dinner table since Sargeras was busy being a brooding teen

[tropic trail]

Clearly they didn't regularly communicate their works with each other, otherwise Draenor wouldn't have been an absolute surprise to Sargeras and the other Titans. Then again, Aggramar likely just didn't mention Draenor because it didn't have a world soul and was just a pet project of his

[pulsar minnow]

The Nathrazeim obviously knew though. And actually really like this retcon because of that

It just makes sense now

They wanted to get a giant Titan to kill the planet so the Jailer could get the soul and use it for... whatever reason

Assuming the Nathrezim were working with him at this point through Denathrius

[tropic trail]

People throw around the world retcon too liberally, honestly

[pulsar minnow]

I agree

[tropic trail]

Development isn't the same as a retcon

[pulsar minnow]

To me it’s more like they’re just explaining the backstories and adding more substance

[tropic trail]

It's like saying each new episode of a show is a retcon 🙄

[mossy meteor]

raid testing cancelled

[austere gazelle]

The leader of the Dreadlord was Tichondrius, Tichondrius was in Nighthold were Guld'an prepared an important ritual that had consequences on Azeroth' blood , in before this ritual is what fuc**** the Arbiter

[mossy meteor]

i don't think they were doing any blood rituals

[austere gazelle]

I did not say it was a blood ritual

I said the ritual did something to the essences of Titans ( Azeroth and aman thul ) right after

[mossy meteor]

canonically, gul'dan was doing a ritual that would make Illidan's husk/body an avatar of Sargeras

and Tich was there to make sure he doesn't fail

or betray the legion

[austere gazelle]

Or this ritual was hijiacked

I mean, look at the way the portal collapse, something strange happened

[mossy meteor]

yes we hijacked the ritual by killing tich and guldan

[austere gazelle]

could've been dreadlords around doing something else to the latent energy around

[unborn glacier]

Mhmm. Too many use retcon when in actuality they should be using Recontextualisation

It was definitely Denathius who caused it. This ain't a mystery anymore. Daddy Denathrius said he was the reason behind the drought. The red magic that shut down the Archon wasn't a soul, it was an attack launched by Sire Denathrius. We all see this in game.

[wild ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/1RNypma.mp4
the rock paper scissor mountspecial for the new hand mounts are so POGGERS

[crisp steeple]

it only does the same one?

[unborn glacier]

No it does them all

Randomly

[crisp steeple]

ah

[wild ermine]

Yeah, all of them randomly.

was unlcuky to get paper twice when i recorded it

[grim canyon]

Look who was right xD

This. this is what happens when you rush builds out.

It is however unfortunate they also havent found the function causing the errors 😦

[mossy meteor]

server restart

[grim canyon]

I'll be actually shell-shocked if I get proven wrong

Like if they manage to save the testing today somehow, ill be surprised

[mossy meteor]

i doubt it

it's too late now

[grim canyon]

True, but would still be surprising if they manage to save the unstable build today

[mossy meteor]

i think they'll be able to save it from crashing

[storm marsh]

is there a new rep in 9.1?

[mossy meteor]

yes

in korthia

realms are up

camera bug being helpful

hey look

he first treasure in korthia

another treasure + pet

neat

new dialogue

[dense plover]

Raid testing cancelled because of an unstable build is good. It means they know it’s a problem and are working on a fix

[grim canyon]

Thing is though, they knew yesterday as well.

[mossy meteor]

it's seemingly fine now

no random crashing

[grim canyon]

I'll try it later tonight to see, but I had over 3 dozen different crashes last night alone (Each one reported and doing something different), so it's frankly quite odd if Blizzard fixed things only after cancelling raid testing, rather then testing after the build released to ensure a bit of stability for tomorrow

[mossy meteor]

i played a bit earlier today and it was still unstable

now it's seemingly fine

[thick saddle]

You just pretty much defined 'instability'

Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Delayed raid testing is a good thing.

[mossy meteor]

:D

i wasn't even going to test tonight so in the end it doesn't matter to me

[grim canyon]

Same here, since I had a feeling Blizz wouldnt be able to fix an instability as severe as this one has been so quickly sadly 😦

[thick saddle]

Better to work on a more stable build and then do raid testing, rather than having things crash during raid testing. The obvious feedback would end up being focused more on the crashing, than the mechanics or balance of the fight.

[grim canyon]

Though a part of me still held a bit of hope

[grim canyon]

True, the only part that stings here is blizzard waited until the next day to even say anything about the instability rather then immediatly take action if they saw > 90% of people on ptr crashing within 5 minutes

[thick saddle]

Fair enough

[grim canyon]

That made a lot of people in test chat last night think their systems were at fault rather then a blizzard issue

[thick saddle]

I've just never been big on developers who fast-track things just to meet an arbitrary deadline. I'm more the kinda guy who would rather things be made better, even if it's released later 😛

[grim canyon]

Agreed. My personal opinion is that Zorb should have stuck with their gut to not push out a build that wasn't ready

If there was such a severe compile error, maybe it was a sign the build just wasn't ready for production and needed more time baking 🤔

[dense plover]

I haven’t crashed once. DC’d a few times but no crashes

I think that pushing the build still made sense. All of the analytics they are getting from the crashes and DCs are absolutely vital

In addition, I and others are still providing feedback on the accessible content like the visitor dailies and the storyline

[austere gazelle]

yeah I complained a bit about the part Vasjh saying she was taught by Illidan to track and discovers Nathrezim, to ME , a DH , who couldn't even saw them with spectral sight xD

I asked them if they could do something relevant, like... Vasjh saying something unique to the DH like " Illidari, You were not the kind to be caught by some Nathrezim's trick, Illidan taught us better ! "

The thrall and Draka reunion was... awkward at first. But other things and dialog are planned

[oak lynx]

Hmm.... It seems now I can't log onto any of my ptr characters. Whether they are freshly copied or not, I just got dc after the loading bar is full. Anyone having the same problem?

[dense plover]

lots of people are having problem

[dense plover]

the spectral sight thing is super valid

vashj might not remember you, or you couldve become a DH after the events at legion's start technically so i understand the dialogue thing

but absolutely report spectral sight stuff - thats something the devs probably forgot about and definitely have the tech for

[tulip sun]

I wouldn't call the draka and thrall awkward

I honestly thought her knowing he was Go'el the entire time kind of sweet.

[terse patrol]

I just get annoyed about how Blizzard keeps hiding important character interactions.

“Let’s go discuss this further elsewhere”

Fuck off, I want to know what happens.

[strange falcon]

Smh honkerton wanting to abolish privacy laws

[tulip sun]

I imagine we will see some interactions

One thing I still think is missing is Geyarah thougg

[faint bolt]

Eh, we don't know AU!Draka is dead though. So that Draka is most likely only Thrall's mother. All we know about AU!Draka was she was last seen commanding a Garrison in Nagrand against the Lightbound.

[austere gazelle]

I'm kinda wondering if we're not going the Marvel road with this expansion. The Jailer win, next expansion will be to undo everything he did with time travel crap, explaining Deaths of Chromie scenarii and Murozond birth...🤔

I wouldn't like it tbh

[strange falcon]

oh so you mean a justice league, and then we pull a snyder's cut next expac

🤔

[thick saddle]

World of Warcraft: Snyder Cut

Title for next expansion 😛

[mossy meteor]

Will that xpac be 5 years long

Instead of regular 2 years

[signal bone]

Didn't you get the meme, the next expac will last forever because it will be the last one!

[tropic trail]

Ah yes, the only meme as old as WoW

That WoW is dying

[solar temple]

I mean it kinda is lol, not fast but its still dying

[terse patrol]

I do think Blizzard should think about investing in a WoW 2. The engine is incredibly dated, and customization will forever be limited by the lack of graphical tools available.

[solar temple]

I mean look how overwatch 2is turning out lol

[strange falcon]

I do not think wow needs realistic cgi graphics like last of us or similar tbh,because it just gets old quicker.
While yes they could do a lot with a new engine from spell effects to the game not being spaghetti code,i dont think graphics is the problem here

The cartoony look is exactly what gives charm and personality to the game

And the newer models are very high quality for modern standards

A new engine would be very good,but graphical reasons would be at the bottom of the pile for "reasons we need a new engine"

And even if they were to invest in a wow2,it would need to be fully finished already when they take wow 1 down and release wow 2,because if not,that would cause catastrophical divides in the community,and if there is any downtime when wow 1 isnt available and wow 2 is,people will go to next best thing

[mossy meteor]

it was actually a joke how the justice league: snyder cut has a ~4-5 hour length compared to the original movie (~2 hours)

xd

[signal bone]

wow 2 will come, but not for many many years after wow ends most likely

so they can capitalize on the "hey guys, remember wow" moment

that all media franchises seem to rely on these days

[tropic trail]

That's what Classic is for

It's a novelty to consume more memberberries

[mossy meteor]

^

[strange falcon]

imo the best way to do a wow 2 is to do how they made ff14 1.0 transition into realm reborn,
which is to have the wow 2 game immediately able to release(as a full fledged not rushed game) right the moment wow 1 shuts down

so that people can go directly into the new game rather than letting any downtime where ppl could realise "omg im freed of wow"

[grim canyon]

Dont forget the fact youd be kissing goodbye to every form of backwards compatibility under the sun that the current engine has xD

[thick saddle]

I have no doubt, once they exhaust the content of "TBC Classic", they'll move onto Wrath Classic, then Cata Classic etc.

Meanwhile, possibly working on an actual sequel to WoW. But tbh, I doubt it.

[tropic trail]

It'd be better to overhaul the current engine than just introduce a sequel

Hell, even Overwatch 2 was originally intended to be a content addition VS a new game

[stiff vector]

They're already swapping out large parts of the underlying game

To an extent that's an engine upgrade

Just a really long and slow one

[grim canyon]

I got huge doubts that they'd go past Wrath for classic

Wrath to me seems like a good middle point to keep the Classic Era at

[grim canyon]

Can confirm this. The newest 9.1 build itself swapped out large portions of older utility code for more performant alternatives (Albeit more unstable as well)

[stiff vector]

yeah those interface changes are probably part of an ongoing effort to modernize things a bit

but was mostly referring to the hardware interface layer now being partially shared (for dx11 only atm) with other blizzard games

[worthy tartan]

Maldraxxian Corpsefly is listed as alliance but I can't find a horde equivalent. Is this a bug or am I just blind? ^^

[topaz fractal]

nah you're right, flies count as bugs

though if you want to be more specific they're insects

[worthy tartan]

Hehe :) Assuming the corpsefly-alliance is an issue due to them having the same rigging as the Honeyback Harvester. Submitted a bug report to see if they can squash it.

[worthy tartan]

broken hands..

[worthy tartan]

Mass death in Oribos on the way back from Skyhold

[dense plover]

Don’t post here, report it in game

There’s way too many bugs to fill this channel

[arctic pendant]

yes thats the reason why the in game bug reporter exists

I don't want to be rude but do use it if you see an issue

[tropic trail]

Yknow, like, the whole point of the PTR

[arctic pendant]

and plus I dont know anyone from Blizz would look at this anyways.

[dense plover]

^^^^

they dont

[faint bolt]

I'd be 1000% shocked if the writers didn't already forget about Chromie's assassin.

[tulip sun]

https://imgur.com/6zgJybf

[crisp steeple]

man, explaining draenor to draka will be a wild ride

so I met you, but another you..

[faint bolt]

And you didn't have me as a baby, but this other woman that I now call a friend.

[upper lantern]

That was wholesome

[ancient jasper]

Prince Renathal: My dear Stonewright, Harvester of Wrath, wielder of Elu-- <=== What are the chances he was about to say Elune?

[uncut vault]

100%

she calls on elune in the same questline

[jade basalt]

wielder of Eluard's poems* is what he meant

[austere gazelle]

Maybe he was going to say " Elune's fury "

which coincide with the Ardenweald's stuff saying that the WQ sister was spiteful or whatever ( don't remember )

Which would make Elune the WQ's sister

[unborn glacier]

Vexing

WQ called her sister Vexing

[mossy meteor]

Looks like no raid testing at all for this week

They seemingly fixed the random crashing i believe

[half cosmos]

does anyone know if 9.1 already reintroduced WoD crafted items meant to upgrade (and unlock xmogs of) crafted items?

[unborn glacier]

Nothing like that has been datamined nor mentioned at Blizzcon

[winter pawn]

Hey y'all, I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it looks like blizzard has updated the gryphon and draenor talbuk mount running animations on the PTR!

[unborn glacier]

Yup, there is a Wowhead article listing all the current mount animation changes

[terse patrol]

It’s likely they’re making new mounts with those skeletons, so they wanted up to date animations.

I kinda hope we get a couple faction specific mounts before the end of the expac.

Maybe related to Thrall’s mom and Uther.

[tulip sun]

Oh? Which skeletons are we talking about

Oh I see now

But I 100% absolutely love racial or just faction themed mounts in general.

The vicious mounts.

BfA prepatch

[terse patrol]

Christie Golden seems to like the Anduin/Tess ship. Admittedly it’s a better ship than the awful one with Bolvar’s daughter.

@tulip sun

[tulip sun]

Oh I thought we were talking about mounts, lol.

I have not read most of her books, I just remember Genn proposing the idea of Tess/Anduin

To me though, the devs seem to be moving towards Taelia e.e

I am not really invested in Anduin, so I am not too concerned about it./

As for mounts

We need more racially themed mounts

Allied races still need their vicious mounts, except Mag'har.

[unborn glacier]

Genn/Anduin

x3

[tulip sun]

Hmm

To be fair, he does need heirs.

Get those babies coming, he puts himself in danger too often xD

[terse patrol]

@tulip sun

[tulip sun]

Politically a union between Gilneas and Stormwind would work well tbh

[terse patrol]

i mean, he did suggest it already

[tulip sun]

Yeah

But apparently Tess would say no xD

[terse patrol]

Well, to an arranged one yes

Doesn’t mean they couldn’t hit it off naturally

I swear if he gets with Bolvars daughter I’ll roll my eyes into oblivion.

[robust girder]

graymane is a dilf

on god

[tulip sun]

Taelia I am like, positive is the game plan.

But I would say I agree with Tess being better storywise

I just...like the idea of the two kingdoms uniting.

[terse patrol]

https://twitter.com/christiegolden/status/1385844237602672640?s=21

Christie Golden (@ChristieGolden)

Have tissues nearby. https://t.co/eb7LglOekL

Likes

113

Twitter · Apr 24, 2021, 6:33 AM

@tulip sun

[tulip sun]

Huh

Who knows at this point

[uncut vault]

I dunno if Tess is really the best choice considering they’ve literally never spoken on screen lol

If anything, I hope all this shadowlands stuff means people will stop trying to push female characters as babymakers onto him 😛

[vocal flint]

ships will sail

manduin needs some peach tea too

if anything it would been a good thing to add before shadowlands/bfa

a loved one to keep him from the brink

but cant expect blizzard to good writing

[dense plover]

But he isn’t on the brink of anything

That’s not who Anduin is

Anduins story is about light and dark, learning he doesn’t have to be his father to be a good leader, and about finding peace in a world that isn’t ready for it

[strange falcon]

is anduin going to pull a forsaken and break free from the jailers control eventually and just roll with his new DK class change

[ionic sphinx]

hes a perfect little boy. hes just going to fart out all the dominion magic and hes gonna be as good as new

[terse patrol]

@uncut vault Ships are good tho.

As someone who shipped Flynn/Shaw, Anduin could use a lady friend.

(Ideally I want it to be interracial. Yrel or something. But Tess is tolerable for a human ship.)

(The new girl isn’t tolerable. She has “I was made to be Anduin’s big strong female girlfriend” all over her and I don’t like it. Tess is strong and feels more organic if it was to come from her.)

(And because canonically he has a thing for girls older than him.)

[cunning fossil]

His preference is valid

I only think ships are bad if they're inherently toxic I think

I can't even think of a good example for wow

[tropic trail]

If it doesn't make me go "awww" then the ship isn't worth it

[cunning fossil]

^

Basically

[tropic trail]

If a character romance has nothing to do with story involvement or doesn't have any kind of positive aesthetic, it don't belong in no dang fantasy narrative

[cunning fossil]

Sounds reasonable

[vocal flint]

romance in story is only there to have a meat to be hooked by conflict

unless youre literally the type to read about characters having a normal happy life for whatever reason

[cunning fossil]

Not everything needs to be tragic or dramatic

Wholesome is nice

Not opposed to tragedy or whatever. Just a nice change of pace.

[tropic trail]

Well that's what the "awww" factor is for

But it doesn't have to be the primary focus when it's completely irrelevant to the story

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I getcha

I don't think ir has to be the focus either

[vocal flint]

breathing ground is good but it should never be a focus in a game called warcraft lol

by all standards everyone in wow should be on suicide watch but thats what the story is about really.

romance should be a footnote. like shaw and the elf or thrall and his wife. and baine and the high mountain chieftan

[cunning fossil]

Kinda hoping we get an expansion that isn't so high stakes? Though, that's probably improbable now since we're fighting literal worlds and shit. :P

[strange falcon]

people will call it a filler expansion

plus blizzard is only good at high stakes storytelling

they suck ass at anything else unless it's in a book

[cunning fossil]

Damn that's fair

I know people will call it filler that would be a given

But not inherently bad IMO

[pulsar minnow]

My biggest worry about next expansion is if they do this separated zone thing again

[cunning fossil]

Like q whole new dimension?

Not.on Azeroth?

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, I would personally love to go back to Azeroth and explore it more. But I fear that if we go to space like how it’s currently looking, we might get separate sections of planets again and I can’t do another 2 minute flight path again

The story is definitely getting really crazy though. I hope it eases up. Like, we are literally the Chosen One in this patch. There’s a freaking prophecy about us now

[cunning fossil]

I hope we go back to Azeroth personally and deal with new growing threats that came out while we were away.

Also yeah. The prophecy and Chosen one stuff is getting a bit...too overused.

I getthat it would be wierd to go from "Death gods -> Guilboar qnd Murlocs" again but like this is gonna end up like DragonBall

[strange falcon]

i dont think there's a prophecy about us,more like "we just happened to be born on the OP planet"

[cunning fossil]

Where at first, it's the planet, then the solar system then the galaxy, then the universe, then the parallel universe

[strange falcon]

and so we get roped in to these shenanigans ,but WE arent chosen ones or anything,azeroth is anything is the chosen one

[cunning fossil]

That intro to Korthia was sketch tbh

I guess that's true. More so the planet is the reason for all these problems

[strange falcon]

that's why you do big brain strats like have multiple teleports to places so you can skip the flightpath

the engineering wormhole generator is the biggest timesaver in the entire expac

plus covenant travel network to lvl 3 so you unlock portal to oribos,then set HS to your covenant hub not oribos

then have a teleport to orgrimmar so you can go directly to oribos if your HS is on cd

[vocal flint]

honestly it all started with like wrath of the lich king

classic wow was like chill as fuck. shit would get real with raids and such but. by all accounts you were just some 18 year old orc looking to feed yourself cuz nobody wants you in your house anymore

suddenly you got friends and are raiding a cave to find some crazy druid fucking

[pulsar minnow]

Then we go back in time in an alternate reality to infiltrate Blizz HQ as the final raid in which we rewrite WoD, Cata, and BFA, and make them good

Final boss is big boi Bobby

[vocal flint]

imagine if blizzard took the chance to fix wod with classic wow lol

[pulsar minnow]

That would cost us a raid tier

[vocal flint]

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda wish they would “remaster” classic stuff, and add the option to toggle off modern graphics. An HD Wrath would be awesome

[tropic trail]

Except that would defeat the point of Classic, since Classic is the released content as it was live at that time

It's a George Foreman novelty grill game mode. If you want modern content, play live.