beta-ptr-spoilers

[sleek cloud]

there are so many ideas, just waiting for the other interesting pvp talents coming up

who knows there might be other things stronger

[cunning fossil]

Also gotta level my Warlock. So close to 60 now

[sleek cloud]

imagine paladins had a divine steed that could fly for the duration

[cunning fossil]

I like Arcanosphere

For Arcane Mage. Really cool

[sleek cloud]

making paladins fly would be good

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[sleek cloud]

priests fly so why not paladins

[cunning fossil]

Priest have cloth. Pally has plate

XP

[crisp steeple]

new starting gear
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey5L9VpWgAAiVKf?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[sleek cloud]

mehhhhh XD who cares armor type doesn't really matter anymore, i see druid and mages tank more dmg than a hunter

[crisp steeple]

plate

[unreal geyser]

how can I get a lvl 60 character to PTR

[sleek cloud]

copy character from retail over to ptr

i dont know if you can boost for free on ptr

i dont think you can

[unreal geyser]

oh thanks

didn't notice

[sleek cloud]

Do we know if we get the LEGENDARY transmogrification sets from achieving the last rank of prestige torghast ?

that would be cool, just like mage tower, only the people who work hard or are skilled enough can get it.

[mossy meteor]

looks like you can get anima from dailies in korthia

[umbral furnace]

So Whats the deal with the Sanctum raid gear

[mossy meteor]

more

[umbral furnace]

is it just the Legendary gear reskinned?

or is it something else

[sleek cloud]

no its totally new armor sets, legendary sets will come with torghast probably.

[umbral furnace]

oh

Sweet

Was a bit worried there

[pulsar minnow]

Raid sets are different colors of the Legendary Armor

[umbral furnace]

uh

now Im confused

[pulsar minnow]

yeah other guy was wrong

we'll be getting these sets

[umbral furnace]

hmm

[sleek cloud]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/weapon-models-in-shadowlands-chains-of-domination-321833

[pulsar minnow]

Just different colors of the Legendary Armor. They are labeled as "MawRaid" armor internally after all. And it was confirmed at Blizzcon

[sleek cloud]

thats all we got

from raid

for now

the weapons

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but the sets were confirmed too

[umbral furnace]

well only one way to find out

when the raid launches

[sleek cloud]

They said they changed the idea from legendary transmog being from the raid

since they said they wanted to all come at once as a set unlock

[pulsar minnow]

and you got that backwards. At BlizzCon they told us that Tier Sets would not be releasing this patch and we'd instead get Maw themed armor which would be recolors of the legendary armor sets

[sleek cloud]

Ah then my bad

[pulsar minnow]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/tier-sets-in-shadowlands-planned-for-later-patch-sanctum-of-domination-armor-to-321041

[sleek cloud]

I wonder what color will be the elite set then

how can they make the elite look better

[umbral furnace]

hmm

[sleek cloud]

will they add more effects and spikes onto the sets

they cant just make mythic and elite same skins as gladiator and normal heroic lfr

[pulsar minnow]

They'll probably do the same thing that they did for the Nathria gear. Just make it have more glowing bits and pieces

[sleek cloud]

cuz everyone would literally destroy the forums

[mossy meteor]

reminder

[sleek cloud]

yea thats what i think about but how can they make it more glowy XD

[mossy meteor]

these sets are DATAMINED

they're not in the actual game yet

[sleek cloud]

yea

[umbral furnace]

so

[sleek cloud]

Hope to have my elite red and black 🤞

[umbral furnace]

are there other sets or not

[pulsar minnow]

no

[sleek cloud]

mythic always get the good tints now a day

back in wod and mop only elite players could flex

[pulsar minnow]

the Mawraid armor is the raid armor for this tier

[umbral furnace]

hmm

whatever

cool sets so I'm not really mad

plus its the ptr so nothing is 100% confirmed

[pulsar minnow]

Oh but we're also getting cosmetic covenant sets too

but thats about it

[sleek cloud]

they are cool but I'm very worried about the lack of mythic and elite variance

normaly its easily noticable which are the elite and mythic versions

[pulsar minnow]

Well when the Nathria gear was datamined they looked indistinguishable

then they added the fire effect on the mythic variant and the light on the Elite variant

[sleek cloud]

hum well we kinda knew the black gold red was mythic

but then people tought the elite would be the golden set

then it ended up being the lfr

LOL

my guess is :

mythic

elite

lfr

heroic

normal

[umbral furnace]

Tmog is tmog

[sleek cloud]

gladiator

they are kinda using the same color panel from the 9.0

[umbral furnace]

there are gonna be plenty of other sets too

so I wouldn't worry

[sleek cloud]

i only wear elite sets or classic sets so I kinda worry every time since it's the only mog im gonna be using for the season

the white crusader was nice but it got boring very fast as it was just so white and didn't match anything

well thats weirdly interesting

[uncut vault]

The legendaries being mythic would be a pretty terrible move, having people get pieces of gear only to earn it again only at mythic

[pulsar minnow]

I think the gold would be best for mythic

[terse patrol]

Any word about Nathanos?

[umbral furnace]

he dead

And I'd like it to stay that way

[sleek cloud]

yea thats why I don't understand blizzard's move on making legendary armor transmog the season's sets

[uncut vault]

I doubt we’ll see him until after this patch, he seems more likely to be a tool for Sylvanas’ story after she starts on the redemption path

[sleek cloud]

we could think like this too just like bfa guys :

[uncut vault]

She’s still full villain at this point up until the end of the raid

[sleek cloud]

alliance elite set

horde elite set

then pve doesn't get a transmog for lfr

lol

[uncut vault]

That’s just evil 😛

[sleek cloud]

MUAHAHAHA we are in the maw after all

[pulsar minnow]

So, question for you guys. Where do you think we'll go next after Korthia? It's got elements of everything we were predicting for the next 3 patches like a Broker area, In-Between stuff, and First One stuff

We have 3 waygates left in Oribos (Unless they use one for Tazavesh)

[uncut vault]

Really depends on where the jailer goes. They’re burning through a lot of stuff, and with how insane Sylvanas’ fight is, he’s pretty much the only thing left they can do this xpac

[sleek cloud]

were gonna go back to each covenants and help them against the invasion of the jailer upon the shadowlands

[uncut vault]

It’s clear that by the end of the raid, he is out of the maw, full stop

Sylvanas’ final phase is in Oribos

[pulsar minnow]

For sure. The Jailer gets the final sigil from the Arbiter and breaks free completely.

I'm still sold on my theory that there's a body of a First One somewhere in the Shadowlands that the Jailer is trying to claim the power of.

[sleek cloud]

i see a disturbance in the force

WHY THE FUCK DOES PVP ILVL NOT OUT LVL PVE

im ok with the pve ilvl of pvp gear being lower

BUT ONCE YOUR IN PVP YOU SHOULD HAVE THE BEST ILVL WITH PVP GEAR

your telling me that some pve player will have better pvp gear than me

240 max pvp ilvl compare to 259 from pve

227 ilvl pvp gear in pve is literally normal gear

[obsidian turtle]

you get the ilvl boost during pvp

[sleek cloud]

and thats elite

the ilvl boost is 240

[obsidian turtle]

maybe there is still some unannounced stuff

[sleek cloud]

227 - 240

even heroic is higher ilvl than elite pvp

[obsidian turtle]

if you pull up in 2s with heroic raid armor you are getting sent right back to the raid

[sleek cloud]

elite pvp should be over mythic ilvl

depends

some pve pieces ive seen have better stats than pvp

[obsidian turtle]

depends on spec and stat priority

[sleek cloud]

castle nathria pve didn't have any vers on their plate gear

now it does in the new raid

[unborn glacier]

Uh no. Ilvl 246 is literally the baseline for Duelist, scaling to 259 in pvp

[sleek cloud]

so they changed it ? 😄

[unborn glacier]

No? You just didn't read the bluepost

[sleek cloud]

but whats this wowhead screenshot

[obsidian turtle]

I cant read I only use pictures

[unborn glacier]

Read. The. Blue. Post.

[obsidian turtle]

damn that table is way off

[sleek cloud]

yea i took it off someone who linked it up ahead

the one i found on wowhead is this

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-pvp-items-datamined-in-patch-9-1-higher-item-level-when-in-pvp-combat-321848

even worse

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-pvp-item-levels-in-patch-9-1-pvp-items-have-13-item-levels-in-pvp-321857

here found the new updated one

but still wrong it seems

[unborn glacier]

It's not an updated anything

[sleek cloud]

from what you show with the blue post

[unborn glacier]

It's literally from blizzard

LMAO

"B..but it's wrong!"

[sleek cloud]

no the table is wrong not the blue post

you missunderstood

seems like we dont know the ilvl of elite gear yet

did some maths and pvp ilvl of elite should be 266 and baseline 253

[wraith furnace]

I dont understand what you dont understand mortalx

this is a system that makes PVP item worse in PVE and better in PVP, whats wrong with it

[sleek cloud]

I tought the new ilvl for the next seasons were from 194-227 and would only get increase in pvp

so we would keep the 200-233 next season and get pvp gear next season with only and increase of 7 ilvl so 207-240

[mossy meteor]

finally got progress

but it still doesnt work

[cunning fossil]

Yeah might be best to wait then

[cinder wraith]

how did you get there?

[dull iron]

Glitch there, you want 2 pixie dust (from those little faries) then go to the giant tree and go above the high limit. Fly west once you see a little island, use a goblin glider. Ez

[mossy meteor]

ugh

i'm really demotivated by this bug

[dense plover]

Then stop for a week. We will have a new build Tuesday at the latest. We might get another this week even

[grim canyon]

For me, the quest fixed itself after a few dozen abandons + a relog

I just had to trick the game into force-playing the encounter once, then reloged and did the quest from scratch and just let it play through

[mossy meteor]

yeah i just did the same

was finish the story on an alt

and then logged in one more time on the main, abandoned several times and the line above played again

so i abandoned and quit for the night

i'll check in tomorrow

[grim canyon]

It's odd they are using a deprecated method for the player name though

on a 9.1 quest

[mossy meteor]

sylvanas boss room

oribos platform part of the boss fight

probably last phase

[cunning fossil]

last mythic phase maybe>

[unborn glacier]

Man, this raid really feels like it should be the end of expansion raid

[silent urchin]

I am curious where it's going from here. There doesn't seem to be that many hooks left other than the jailer will still exist

[mossy meteor]

probably opening a "doorway" to another realm or something

azeroth perhaps?

[shadow ice]

is this where I would post discoveries to things found in PTR

[mossy meteor]

yes

[shadow ice]

okay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMBk0cR7Bs

[carmine bough]

maybe this is like a auto matic .2 patch

where we are already half way through

[dense plover]

It’s definitely not

This is the wrathgate equivalent

This is where we take a huge loss for pushing too hard too soon

And the jailer makes huge gains with minimal losses to the things he actually still needs

And then we have to go on the defensive next patch because of a secondary threat that will allow the jailer to succeed somehow

It’s literally wrath 2.0

[tulip sun]

I find it weird so many are jumping on the WOD 2.0

Expansion cut short

[dense plover]

Next patch will be ulduar 2

[mossy meteor]

more on the first ones and such?

[dense plover]

And then final patch will be the ice crown offensive equivalent

[mossy meteor]

question is, where do we raid the jailer

[dense plover]

The progenitors, yeah

[mossy meteor]

if torghast gets destroyed

[dense plover]

It doesn’t

I bet what happens is the chains on the tower break free

And it leaves either the maw or the shadowlands entirely

[mossy meteor]

hm i guess it could be a floating tower

naxxramas style

[dense plover]

It is a floating tower

It’s just chained

Go watch the original cinematic

[tulip sun]

Hmmm

I'm thinking Sylvanad will be fine after the raid

[dense plover]

9.2 the tower ends up on like azeroth or some other world, and we push it back into the shadowlands

[mossy meteor]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forscherliga/images/1/18/Tower_Concept_Art_884673.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191104141314

[dense plover]

And then 9.3 we fight in torghast in some progenitor zone with torghast sunk back into the ground there

As I said, floating tower, chained to and trapped in the maw

I’ve been mostly right about where this patch is going

And I think my wrath 2.0 theory based on legion being tbc 2.0 has legs

[mossy meteor]

yep

i think sylvanas might be gone after this

really hoping that korthia will get a bunch of rares and treasures added

and speaking of rares, i wonder what will happen to the original maw rares since some of them in zovaal's cauldron aren't appearing because of the assault

[pulsar minnow]

Well there arent achievements attached to them right? So maybe it wont be an issue?

Or maybe they changed spawn locations?

[dense plover]

there are achievements

but the assaults are each in different areas

so it just means you cant get those bosses during those assaults

variety is the spice of life

[ionic folio]

fire mage should get buffed smh

what is blizzard doing to my class :(

soon... they’ll buff... ugh... arcane...

[unborn glacier]

Fire Mage
Buffs

Pick one

[dense plover]

isnt firemage above average dps?

thats not buff worthy

[cunning fossil]

THeir nerfs will be supplimented by extra Mastery from Gear and Soulbind traits

People gotta think ahead on these things. Not every nerf is gonna "kill the spec"

[uncut vault]

Id rather they get reworked than buffed tbh

the Shadowlands changes arent all that fun, just tuned well, and combustion is really unhealthy for a spec that has a really fun base gameplay

[ionic folio]

should be highest

[obsidian turtle]

yours isnt

[indigo vigil]

Patch 9.1 looking big so far, hopefully we can convince Blizzard to reconsider some of their questionable decisions

[strange falcon]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/832122968724340776/unknown.png ||

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329807329245659147/831846567903494184/IMG_20210414_125622.png @ionic folio

😂

[foggy abyss]

Good

[unborn glacier]

LMAO

[plain vigil]

Hehehehehe

Hehehehehehehehe

[unborn glacier]

Already posted

[plain vigil]

I don't doubt that

I'm just excited more high res hunter pets

And dread Queens 👀

Wait is this high rez doomplate?

Hehehehe yuuuup

[plain vigil]

Oh my god even the armored ones... THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL

I can finally have my armored boar again 😭

New high rez starter gear 😭

[strange falcon]

@plain vigil https://twitter.com/handclaw/status/1382125916134985728?s=20
https://twitter.com/handclaw/status/1382243289517199361?s=20

handclaw (@handclaw)

So, my only contribution to the datamining tonight. Here is the plate "starting gear" set. There are 6 colour variants of it.

Likes

301

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

handclaw (@handclaw)

Here is the new cloth starting gear set.

Likes

206

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 8:04 AM

[plain vigil]

I love you

[strange falcon]

slow down there 👀

wowhead's posts should have the rest

you might also be interested in this https://twitter.com/dmitolm/status/1382127873859915777
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1382368147781480450?s=20 @plain vigil

Deamon (@dmitolm)

Kudos to wow designers again. "Tazavesh, the Veiled Market" zone looks super cool. I love the aesthetic
#Warcraft #WorldofWarcraft

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 12:25 AM

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish (@keyboardturn)

Tazavesh exploration screenshot dump (I'll be posting a video later when it fully renders)

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 4:20 PM

[thick saddle]

@plain vigil Just for fun, made some minor tweaks to that image, to bring it closer to his Heroes appearance. Maybe Blizzard can make the changes themselves. Imho, this edited version looks better (though I'm biased sooo) 😛

Re-uploading the original for easy comparison

[plain vigil]

More like the Cata/WOD version 😅

[thick saddle]

Ahh right. Well, made the trim more gold (less yellow), and gave him back some skin color. Looked very pale 😛

Also removed a bit of blue tint

[plain vigil]

Yee looks dope

[plain vigil]

Mrgm managed to get there in game

[unborn glacier]

You're like the first person I know to recognize the Doomplate

[plain vigil]

Howwwww

[unborn glacier]

Right?!

[plain vigil]

It's so clearly doomplate 😭

me thinking they'd give the set to orcs as heritage: 🤡

[thick saddle]

Would be frickin' awesome if they did.

Still need a high quality heritage set for them, as well as Humans. And a few other races.

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1382663475957227520?s=19

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Ok, some new NPC ID's in 9.1: Arthas, King Terenas, Turalyon, Tirion, Garrosh, Velen...

• https://t.co/aQikTBpKXE
• https://t.co/6oVqE8edqm
• https://t.co/gTnHpNozqA
• https://t.co/vkbhEAc90E
• https://t.co/0tfkxfmnEc
• https://t.co/1gJkxUJmpm

Twitter · Apr 15, 2021, 11:53 AM

Damn

[terse patrol]

Looks like the Light boys are back in town.

[cunning fossil]

The bois are back (TM)

[terse patrol]

So, Turalyon and Velen.

Either they’re coming to the Shadowlands (unlikely)

Or we’re going back to Azeroth to see what’s going on

My guess is Velen is acting as Turalyon’s advisor.

[cunning fossil]

Must be the very last thing

As in, it's a prelude to 9.2

[mossy meteor]

raid entrance

[tulip sun]

Hmm

[tulip sun]

Turalyon is a nonlightforged model. Very likely flashback

[terse patrol]

Is it?

But why Velen?

[tulip sun]

Leader stuff maybe. The three dwarves were also added

And Theron

[terse patrol]

Do we have a picture of Turalyon’s model?

[tulip sun]

Click on the link

[terse patrol]

Oh, that’s underwhelming.

I assume the Arthas model is a placeholder.

[tulip sun]

So I mean

There is seemingly still leader stuff since we have the three hammers and theron

[terse patrol]

Three Hammers really need their own models already.

The Tirion and Turalyon NPCs seem to be flashback related.

Arthas could be a flashback of when Uther dies.

[tulip sun]

We have uhhh

[terse patrol]

(Still lame they’re using the old WotLK model for Arthas though)

I think it’s a placeholder.

Putting that model next to high res Uther would look like shit.

[tulip sun]

Kaelthas also has his OG model and the title Lord of the Blood Elves

And captain taylor

It just seems that we are for some reason exploring some past event

But I agree on the unique models for the dwarves

Same for many leaders tbh

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/832248861439295538/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/832249634596061194/unknown.png

[silent urchin]

... I have a bug where while mounted my camera just continuously gets higher

[mossy meteor]

dismount and relog

[mossy meteor]

oh finally

the illusion quest worked somehow

anyway, the ending was surprising

but what surprised me more was how bolvar reacted

[strange falcon]

he ||doesnt look at all surprised which is weird||

[modern pendant]

What happens? I don't mind being spoiled

[strange falcon]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/832260688730259456/SPOILER_unknown.png ||

[mossy meteor]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/832260796532129832/SPOILER_unknown.png||

[modern pendant]

Ooooh, okie

Thankie

[strange falcon]

add a space to the very end of the message(after link) to enable embed in spoilers,no need to reupload

[mossy meteor]

[tulip sun]

I kind of hoped they sided with us xD

[grim canyon]

Nice find!

[uncut vault]

You do anything specific or just kept trying?

[mossy meteor]

I kept trying then someone in the test chat said try warmode

Turned on warmode, after a few attempts i got the line to trigger

But nothing happened after, so i waited instead of abandoning

And about 5 minutes later it worked

i was very, i wouldn't say frustrated but it was annoying that none of the solutions worked until i tried warmode

but man the follow-up was so worth

[upper edge]

Sylvanas new model looks like venthyr

[tribal sand]

gratz that u could finish it finally 😄

feels like there is not much to test right now
only the 2 campaign chapters and the 5 dailys per day

[mossy meteor]

yeah

at least they give anima

[tribal sand]

maybe there is something coming with friendly reputation but that will take 2 or 3 days at least

[mossy meteor]

my prediction is that we'll get a smaller build tonight/tomorrow (before raid)

[tribal sand]

not that i would really care; i got all buildings and the soulshape forms

[mossy meteor]

and that will probably have the dungeon and maybe torghast

possibly some class changes

[tribal sand]

i hope for the rest of the covenant legendaries soon (Shadow priest hope)
and maybe new conduits

[mossy meteor]

neat

[tribal sand]

yeah i love heal quests, even more if u can heal them with spells too
not just the item u get

i guess torghast testing will take a bit till we get our hand on it, with the new score system they try to put in

[mossy meteor]

lol

just got this from one of the bears in korthia

[upper lantern]

Anyone know how further levels of legendaries are upgraded/crafted in 9.1? Do they still use soul ash or is there a new currency?

[mossy meteor]

hey it looks like they disabled some of the legion stuff

[crisp steeple]

does wowhead dressing room allow the seperate shoulder transmog yet?

[mossy meteor]

i believe it does

[crisp steeple]

can't find it

[edgy ivy]

Looks like we're gonna hunt down some ||dreadlords, gang! https://ptr.wowhead.com/spells/name-extended:dreadlord?filter=21;2;90100||

[mossy meteor]

didn't see this before

just as i figured, the assaults are biweekly

[upper edge]

does anyone know when the patch releases?

[obsidian turtle]

tomorrow

[thick saddle]

An hour before you asked... Or maybe an hour later. Or more likely... in about 2 months!

[grim canyon]

Its primarily just a bug with the timing of the encounter, and something just not triggering, which will probably be better whn Blizz redoes the scripting for that event.

[modern pendant]

Character spoilers ||So I'm digging through the new Thrall models animations, and it super looks like they're gonna kill him, which tbh I kinda got the impression when they did that whole History of Thrall thing at Blizzconline||

[crisp steeple]

pretty sure all models have death animations regardless

[uncut vault]

Models nowadays aren’t really custom, they’re built on the player rig instead of just using the basic anims

New ones like thrall, Sylvanas, and Kael’thas are baseline just their respective elf and orc models, that are then changed around

And have all the player anims

[tulip sun]

I swear if they kill Thrall after just bringing him back into the Horde

[uncut vault]

I mean his statue did call this look warchief thrall

That automatically gives him limited time nowadays 😛

[tulip sun]

We already lost so many leaders though xD

Ugh

Anyway

Do any azeroth characters show up in quests yet?

Like the 3 we save

Or Taelia or calia

[uncut vault]

Jaina comes with us in the Ardenweald invasion

And is kind of handling all the mawsworn for us

They specifically choose to leave all the horde leaders behind in Oribos for the story

[tulip sun]

Why e.e

[mossy meteor]

darion stays in oribos

[tulip sun]

Why bring them if they're not gonna use em v.v

[mossy meteor]

alexandros gives a daily in korthia

[tulip sun]

I guess later patches

Thrall has his powers back though

So he could help a lot

[mossy meteor]

he will

apparently he and jaina will help in the sylvanas encounter

not exactly sure why these two but okay

[uncut vault]

Probably same reason they were on the broken shore, journal mentions they make platforms for us

[modern pendant]

Nono, I mean his CutomSpell animations

[tulip sun]

And I don't think Baines would be much use against sylvanas

No offense to the guy e.e

[uncut vault]

They really should have brought talanji instead of Baine

[modern pendant]

Either he's suffering a lot for a big moment, or it's gonna transition to a cutscene where they show him die, especially since he has a death pose animation

[uncut vault]

She has an actual power base that could be useful to the jailer, and a real connection to relevant characters like bwonsamdi

[tulip sun]

Yup

Could be the counter to Tyrande in ardenweald stuff tbh

Since people don't like doing cross leader things

[uncut vault]

Thralls model has had custom death and dying anims since WoD

The ones on this new model are the same ones from his BfA one

[mossy meteor]

i was kinda excited for a potential sleeper agent story with thrall jaina and baine but alas

[modern pendant]

Oh really? Fair

[uncut vault]

They could just be long-term setup, but it’s probably just contingencies since they match some of his old models animations that he uses during certain cata questlines

[tropic trail]

any news pvp set

😄

the

[tulip sun]

Hmm

The three dwarf leaders, velen and Theron were added this build too

So I wonder if more leaders come into the shadowlands

[mossy meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406285497846071306/832031963790966814/unknown.png

[tulip sun]

Oh wait

Does Shandris do anything of note?

[mossy meteor]

one of the abilites in stage 3 of sylvanas' fight

[tulip sun]

She is in Ardenweald

[mossy meteor]

hm

[tulip sun]

I guess I could just play this all myself

[mossy meteor]

Stygian Abductors: [PH] The Eye of the Jailer summons Stygian Abductors to drag players off the platform and send their souls screaming into the Maw. (Heroic, Mythic)

oh dear no

this is gonna be messy

[terse patrol]

I honestly think Baine needs some sort of. . . power up.

@uncut vault

[mossy meteor]

what is it with all these hard enrages lol

[uncut vault]

The issue is, shadowlands would have been the perfect time to power up

But then they decided to entirely not show the ancestral plane for the Tauren

Despite half the horde races having their cultures surrounding death

[terse patrol]

Like, getting some ancestral spirit power.

They really handled the Shadowlands poorly, imo.

Rather than show meaningful afterlives that would get us invested in the setting, they gave us four Harry Potter houses.

@uncut vault

Revendreth? Fine, cool. It makes sense. The Maw? Also fine.

Bastion is just what the Valkyr already are from Legion. There was no point rehashing that.

Spirit Healers, etc.

Maldraxxus is all sorts of problematic, morally.

[tulip sun]

I mean, I do like them in a sense.

They all serve a purpose.

[terse patrol]

But they aren’t meaningful.

[tulip sun]

I don't think racial afterlives would've been better.

[terse patrol]

They give me no reason to feel attached to ANYTHING.

Not racial.

An afterlife for the Tauren could easily encompass Orcs.

And other similar types from across the cosmos.

Imagine visiting the Light afterlife, which could be revealed to have been a forcible addition to the Shadowlands in the far distant past.

[uncut vault]

Not necessarily racial ones as full zones, but showing them at all would be nice

[tulip sun]

I mean, they pretty much confirmed Durotan and Cairne showing up at some point.

We will see what their afterlife realm is

[uncut vault]

The fact that nelfs, a race that historically didnt go to the afterlife, basically got a zone is just so weird

[terse patrol]

Seeing Tirion Fordring in the Light afterlife would have been meaningful.

[tulip sun]

The light is a separate cosmic entity though.

[terse patrol]

Reread what I posted above.

[uncut vault]

Ardenweald in general is kind of a mess, because it is obvious it wasn’t in the original concept and they mashed together some bastion stuff + emerald dream

[terse patrol]

I said they could have revealed the Light afterlife to have been created by the Light’s encroachment on the Shadowlands.

[tulip sun]

Yeah, they stated it was suppose to be a part of Bastion at one point.

[uncut vault]

And as a result it’s story isn’t focused on Ardenweald at all but a bunch of totally disconnected azeroth stories

[tulip sun]

I mean, I still like it I think because of that? Like, we get information and lore on Ardenweald

But we also get to understand what happens to the Loa, the Wild Gods.

These important beings to many of our peoples on Azeroth

and then we get to see where great defenders of nature such as Huln go, and get to live

[terse patrol]

Like, nothing in this setting makes me feel attached to anything. No investment. I’m just counting the days to return to the place that actually matters, Azeroth.

[tulip sun]

I personally would love to explore our factions more too, but I do enjoy the worldbuilding in Shadowlands.

I am curious how they will handle future realms

[uncut vault]

honestly, I feel like more dungeons should have been like the other side

exploring the areas of the shadowlands that dont quite need a full zone, but still deserve spotlight

as much as I love maldraxxus, it really did not need three dungeons

[tulip sun]

Hmm, we will do that in 9.1 with the brokers. and Korthia. So seeing two in one patch is nice.

I am expecting at least one realm per patch.

One thing I am just eager to see if whether all realms will have a covenant(Not a choosable one obviously), and some leader on par with the starting realms.

Or how that works

[terse patrol]

Oh yeah, the dumbest shit:

Having Anduin in the literal afterlife and not having him see his dad.

Varian better save him.

Or the expansion’s a complete toss.

Also, no Jaina meeting Antonidas.

Imagine an afterlife that’s an infinite library where mages can go.

@uncut vault

[tulip sun]

Well, it is only the first patch

I am sure at least Jaina, Baine and Thrall will meet deceased relatives

Idk about Anduin

Do we think Varian is even there?

I thought I heard something about the way he kind of was...exploded, did it to the soul as well

[dull iron]

When is raid testing?

[uncut vault]

kinda what Im hoping the broker land is at this point, tazavesh is said to just be an outpost

and Brokers are all about accruing knowledge adn artifacts, makes sense for their zone to be a massive museum/library city

[tulip sun]

Brokers seem a bit different compared to the other realms we have seen

Are they native? Are they mortals turned into shadowlands beings like venthyr?

So many questions

[edgy ivy]

The icon for "Purifying Beam" in phase 3 is the same as the mage Oribos portal icon. Sylvanas Phase 2 dungeon journal also mentions the Jailer "ascending" during the encounter, and we follow him. All signs are pointing to the raid ending on the Arbiter's platform

[terse patrol]

I honestly think the Brokers are, in fact, anima ethereals.

Just like how the original ethereals are arcane based, and then there’s void ethereals.

[young latch]

porter posted this on twitter already but I'm still mad at how incredible cloth armor is only for npcs when pc's still get that atrocious robe mesh on the regular

but they somehow manage to give leather characters decent meshes all the time xD

need a clothie emotional support group smh

[young latch]

Why would they spend so much time bringing him back into the fold and giving him his shaman powers if they're gonna do that?

I thinking killing off characters is fine but I feel like so much character development gets squandered when they just off a npc who they probably could have used for something.

I mean I do think that part of their issue I guess is that they feel like they have to write about all of these warcraft 3 characters who aren't their own and they want to make their original characters part of the story fresh, but, damn....

They sure did slaughter a lot of their new compelling shadowland characters so it's not like the new ones are getting a chance to breath either.

(Rip Devos, I'm gonna be mad about you for a bit haha.)

[uncut vault]

stares at the entire novel they did for voljin becoming warchief

blizzard is not immune to tossing aside characters for plotlines

especially Horde leaders

[unborn glacier]

IE Sylvanas

[tulip sun]

But Thrall has barely been back an entire expansion

[obsidian turtle]

they have it out for the horde leaders

[edgy ivy]

It's really feeling 9.1 is the finale of the Jailer's story... which leaves me with absolutely no clue what 9.2 would center on

[tropic trail]

... What?

They wouldn't make it the end of his story and not make him a raid boss

[edgy ivy]

"Final showdown." I could be very wrong, of course

[tulip sun]

There is more story to come

[edgy ivy]

I don't doubt that

There were jokes months ago that the Jailer and the Arbiter are two halves of a whole, and are gonna merge Dark Crystal style

I wonder

[pulsar minnow]

Well the thing in the Arbiter’s chest is likely the Jailer’s sigil. Once he takes it he’ll probably become his complete self

As in he’ll match the old leaked concept art

[uncut vault]

it seems like the Jailer is going to "win", at least in terms of this stage of his plans, hence ultimate showdown

[mossy meteor]

Thank you for playing, valiant champion.
As Mal'Ganis is defeated, he reveals his plan.
This was all a distraction!
While you have been fighting him,
the other nathrezim went after the true target: the only master they have ever truly served, Sire Denathrius.

[uncut vault]

but 9.2 and 9.3 (if it happens) will be about reversing it

probably with the required help of Sylvanas

[mossy meteor]

Stiven just posted this on Twitter

But where do we fight Mal'Ganis

[unborn glacier]

I hope Blizzard has the steel balls to redeem her

I want them to do it

I want to hear the whining of the haters

[uncut vault]

it'll probably be redeem in the actual sense, not the illidan/kerrigan sense people are expecting

she's required to free anduin/stop the jailer, tyrande has to make the choice to spare her instead of blind vengeance

shes a convenient ally and over the course of thwarting him, realizes the depths of how wrong her methods were

by the end of the xpac, accepts atonement and becomes the new Jailer or something

[unborn glacier]

And then in a few Expacs, when we finally get the big Void expansion, Sylvanas comes in with her Maw Army, ready to attone and help us thwart a Void Lord

[uncut vault]

you joke but thatsp rolly what theyll do in some way lol

put her on stasis like they did Illidan

[unborn glacier]

I hope so

Hehehe

[uncut vault]

to bring an iconic character back with a new powerup in the future for marketing

[unborn glacier]

I WANT Blizzard to do something so insanely brazen like that.

WoW is at its best when they do huge, over the top, stupid anime level stuff

[unborn glacier]

Sylvanas and Arthas standing side-by-side, helping us fight a Void Lord

[uncut vault]

almost seems like theyre trying to set up a major iconic character for each cosmic power tbh

Turalyon for light, alleria for void, illidan for fel (or potentially arcane depending on what way he shows up again), Sylvanas for death

[terse patrol]

[tropic trail]

So Thrall or Malfurion for nature?

[terse patrol]

Medivh is arcane @uncut vault

[tropic trail]

Khadgar

[unborn glacier]

Order*

[terse patrol]

Lamegar

[tropic trail]

Medivh gave up the guardian title

[terse patrol]

Medivh > Khadgar

[unborn glacier]

Arcane isn't actually a cosmic force by itself, it falls under the Cosmic power of Order

[terse patrol]

Yes, he did, but he’s still the turbo mage.

[tropic trail]

Ye

[obtuse vine]

Oh yeah Medivh, completely forgot he is still out there

[tropic trail]

I would say Malfurion embodies life so we can have the bros

Nature, druidic

Whatever

[terse patrol]

Am I the only one who preferred Medivh’s old look?

[tropic trail]

Can someone post the chart again?

[tropic trail]

Or destroy her body and now she's stuck just being a suped-up Banshee

[unborn glacier]

At the end of Return to Karazhan, he flies off into the Twisting Nether, telling Khadgar that he has other matters to attend to. We haven't seen the last of Medivh or Khadgar. The two will likely return in the Order Expansion or Void expac

[tropic trail]

We need Magni to return and tell us to sniff Soul Ash

[unborn glacier]

NO

No more Magni

[obsidian turtle]

he doesnt have a radio antenna that will reach shadowlands

[tropic trail]

Yes he does

Sargeras' sword

What I wanna know is if there are demon organizations other than the Legion, now that that's gone. I mean, the Twisting Nether existed before Sargeras went bad

[obsidian turtle]

thats a far way from icecrown

[terse patrol]

All the cosmic forces are lead by Alliance or Alliance adjacent people.

[tropic trail]

Yes but it's still about skybox height

[unborn glacier]

There likely is. Remember, Sargeras was always a being of Order, tricked into siding with Disorder/Chaos. He acted as a tool for the Cosmic power of Chaos. We have not seen the true might of the Chaos forces. The demons existed well before Sargeras.

[obtuse vine]

About that, it seems there is a pantheon or ruler for every cosmic force, but we never saw that for Fel, sure there’s sargeras but he’s just a Titan who went mad, we never actually saw a demon prime

[tropic trail]

Exactly

[terse patrol]

I suspect Chaos has its own pantheon.

[tropic trail]

Dreadlords were the first demons, right?

No

[terse patrol]

And I doubt they’re all evil.

[tropic trail]

They may not have even originally been demons

Then who are the demons who told Sargeras he sucks?

[tropic trail]

Well, chaotic. There are plenty of demons and stuff we meet like imps and whatnot that aren't actively malicious, they're just crazy jerks

[unborn glacier]

Dreadlords. But that doesn't make them the first demons. Demons existed without Sargeras' involvement. He spent his time in the Pantheon as the one who hunted thru the Great Dark, looking for and imprisoning demon on Mardum

[tropic trail]

Also I wish Blizzard would include some people talking about the BIG FUCKING MAN STABBING HIS KNIFE IN SILITHUS. Seriously, nobody in Kalimdor seems to have fucking seen him!

[terse patrol]

My guess is, Night Fae might have Sun related cousins in the Life plane.

Actually, I’d put my money on it

[tropic trail]

Like, in the Emerald Dream?

I also feel like the Twisting Nether, or forces within, would try to stop the Void or the Light from destroying each other completely because Fel is made from the clash of both, but that might be of a stretch

[terse patrol]

In the RPG, fae were a thing.

[unborn glacier]

I still firmly believe Elune; not Eonar, is the Winter Queens Sister.

[terse patrol]

I think the Emerald Dream would be a part of the Life plane.

Not the whole of it

[tropic trail]

Pretty sure that's what's implied with the Winter Queen/Ysera dialog

I believe Elune is the ubermommy of titans

[terse patrol]

The Emerald Dream is likely the Ardenweald equivalent.

[tropic trail]

The primordial force of Light, who clashed with a Voidy Lord and created everything

[unborn glacier]

Yes, but soooooooooooooooooooooooo many people are talking about Eonar being her sister.

[tropic trail]

Well many people are also dingdongs

[unborn glacier]

Yup

[tropic trail]

Like the "Jailer is really Arthas" crowd

[unborn glacier]

xD

[obtuse vine]

Talking about elune have you all seen this? This fairy tale book might be quite interesting

[terse patrol]

Eonar is just one who orders life on the material plane, I assume. Just like, imo, Argus was SUPPOSED to be the one to do so for death.

Until Sargeras fucked with him.

[tropic trail]

I stand by my headcanon. Elune is the ubermommy primordial force of Light, she is hugging a Void Lord to prevent him from pissing more Old Gods into our reality

[terse patrol]

I still think that red soul that knocked out the Arbiter may have been us killing Argus, and his Titansoul being loaded up with anima by the Dreadlords made it hurtle into the Shadowlands rather than regenerate or something.

[mossy meteor]

It's not Argus

It was confirmed by the devs

Arcane beings don't go to a mortal afterlife

[terse patrol]

Blizzard lies though.

[mossy meteor]

???

That's the dumbest take ever

[terse patrol]

You don’t remember all the shit pre-BFA?

[mossy meteor]

Who gives a shit about bfa now

[terse patrol]

Blizzard will outright lie to protect a big plot reveal.

They’ve done it before.

[tropic trail]

I do, because Ardenweald is fucking filled with Drust

Denathrius admitted he did it

It annoys me

[mossy meteor]

No they won't

[obtuse vine]

That’s true, but at the same time a Titan of Death dying probably has an impact on the realm of death itself

Even if it’s not his soul directly

[tropic trail]

Denathrius did it

[mossy meteor]

I don't think Argus was killed killed

[obtuse vine]

Yeah me neither tbh

[tropic trail]

The Titan Pantheon used Argus's leftover energy from his death to capture and bind Sargeras

[terse patrol]

I mean, what’s so unbelievable about Denathrius getting the dreadlords to convince Sargeras to use the titansoul of Death to power his infinite army, with the ulterior motive of creating this big anima battery that he can use to break the machine of death?

[tropic trail]

Pretty sure "Titan of Death" was also just a title

Given by Sargeras during Argus's corruption

Wait, Denathrius might have given the Helm of BDSM to the Dreadlords to bring to Azeroth

wdym "might"

[terse patrol]

Remember, Denathrius and the Jailer have been using 4D chess this whole time.

For literal millenia.

[tropic trail]

Oh fuck

It's already established that the dreadlords acquired the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne for the Legion

4D Chess

Even in Azeroth, Chess hasn't gotten an update

Still waiting on Chess 2

And that the Jailer had the Runecarver make them

You can speculate all you want but it's kinda pointless to speculate on already established info

Still weird how we crafted Shadowmoan

[terse patrol]

The Runecarver being the Primus, ye.

[tropic trail]

We're no Runecarver

[terse patrol]

What I’m saying is, the Dreadlords basically act like the devil in Sargeras’ ear.

[tropic trail]

That's been established

They're the ones who told Sargeras of the Void Lords' plot to corrupt a world soul

[terse patrol]

Telling him he should do <thing>, when <thing> is what the Jailer wants.

[tropic trail]

I hope Shadowmourne makes an appearance

[terse patrol]

So who’s to say they didn’t tell him what to do with the Titansoul?

[tropic trail]

"Use it to break everything"

Fun

@terse patrol https://www.wowhead.com/news/enemy-infiltration-preface-shadowlands-book-on-cosmos-wide-deception-written-by-317833

[terse patrol]

From what it seems like to me, most of Sargeras’ major decisions may have been him thinking they were his, but was in fact the Dreadlords.

He wasn’t the Titan of Smarts. He was the titan of “beat up the stuff that threatens creation”.

So, manipulatable af.

[tropic trail]

Imagine if Sargeras were smart

[terse patrol]

I mean, he is, but the nathrezim are smarter.

[tropic trail]

Fucking Illidan stayed behind to bully him xD

[terse patrol]

Just not as powerful.

[pulsar minnow]

I have a feeling the Titans are going to come back in the final patch

[tropic trail]

Illidan is currently the strongest protagonist btw

[pulsar minnow]

We could really use a planet sized sword to beat up the jailer

[terse patrol]

I think the last patch is the lead in for the Light expansion. Velen is in the next patch.

Why? Who knows.

[tropic trail]

The Jailer is an idiot

He never considered us stepping into Torghast and hitting his ankles until he dies

[terse patrol]

They only dig him up for Light and Legion based stuff

[pulsar minnow]

tis the life of an old draenei character who actually has an interesting backstory but is too smart for the story and would resolve a lot of conflicts should he be factored into the equation

[tropic trail]

I do believe he will manage to kill us, like Argus did. Y'know, raise the stakes

[pulsar minnow]

for sure

but le heart o' azeroth will resurrect us or whatever

[tropic trail]

Naaah

[terse patrol]

Maybe the Light will arrive and ex machina us, like it did to stop the Lich King?

[tropic trail]

Sylvanas will

With the help of Magni and Khadgar

[pulsar minnow]

There's only one person we need

T'paartos

[terse patrol]

Since I think 9.2 is literally going to be Icecrown 2.0.

[tropic trail]

T'PAARTOS!

Also MRRAAAZZ and BUTTONS

[pulsar minnow]

I think the next patch(es) will be focused on the First Ones, or maybe they'll just save it for next expac

[terse patrol]

Imagine Yrel and Co arriving with Tempest Keep, and a bunch of naaru.

The Sha’tar I believe control Tempest Keep now.

[tropic trail]

Imagine Kek'thas Reeves

[terse patrol]

Those MFs should help us with it

[tropic trail]

Keanu'thas Reeves

The man with the Fire Anima Pencil

He will stick that pencil in the Jailer's ear

And then call him an idiot

And then ressurect us with his puppy powers

Yeah so I've already envisioned the cinematic for beating up Sylvanas

She is laying down, all bruised and beaten, her hood is finally down for the first time on screen. She looks up to us and says it's too late to redeem her. The Jailer swoops in, drains her soul, and we're left with the dead body, which we return to Alleria and Vereesa

[terse patrol]

The Light:

https://youtu.be/EzWNBmjyv7Y

[tropic trail]

That's fine, just steal my spotlight!

[pulsar minnow]

I’ll do you one better for the end cinematic on good ol Sylvanas

No end cinematic 🤡🤡🤡

[tropic trail]

Blizzard likes adding cinematics to every raid lately

[pulsar minnow]

Instead it’s an in-game cinematic

And on Ice Crown citadel above us we see Magni and Mother

They power us up and we shoot the power of Azeroth at the Jailer

[tropic trail]

Then the Maw crumbles like in LOTR?

[pulsar minnow]

Then we move on to the true threat of the Shadowlands... Ragnaros!

Or just N’zoth again

[tropic trail]

Okay xD

Griftah is the Shadowlands final boss

I believe my vision will be more likely though

Sylvanas says it's too late, Jailer swoops in, we return her body to Azeroth

And Anduin is there too, still mind cucked

He will be a raid boss later

[pulsar minnow]

Joking aside I think what’ll happen is Sylvanas will reach out to the Jailer, and then the Jailer will turn back and say “Every soul has its purpose, and you have fulfilled yours.”

She’ll look back to us and say she’s sorry. And then it ends

[tropic trail]

Okay, I'll write some dialogue

[grim canyon]

I can also see the alternative, where Sylnannas drops the jailer as soon as she has what she needs from him, a means to an end sort of

[pulsar minnow]

that wont go well for her

[terse patrol]

I’d have rather had no end cinematic for 8.3 over what we got lol

[grim canyon]

Similar to how fast she dropped the horde as soon as she got what she wanted out of them.

[terse patrol]

I want the Light big bad to be Light Thanos, and give him/her understandable motives while still being a villain.

[grim canyon]

In either case one of them will get betrayed, but I can see Anduin playing a key role by the end of 9.1 into 9.2

[pulsar minnow]

Light Thanos actually sounds pretty sick

[tropic trail]

Cinematic starts:
Dramatic music fills the atmosphere
Jaina: It is over, Windrunner. You and your master have failed.
Sylvanas: If only you could stop what we have started...
Thrall: We will find a way!
Sylvanas: It is too late. The Jailer is inevitable.
The Jailer appears from a portal with Anduin by his side.
Jailer: How curious. You wanted me to leave these mortals in your hands, yet you fail me.
Sylvanas: Master, I...!
Jailer takes Sylvanas' soul, killing her. Anduin gasps, and Thrall puts a hand in front of Jaina to stop her from interfering.
Jailer: Every soul has a purpose. You shall meet yours soon, mortals.

And then it ends

[grim canyon]

I very much doubt Sylvannas would call anyone master

[tropic trail]

Ehh

I dunno

We never heard the way she addresses to the Jailer

"Zovaal, I"

Better?

[terse patrol]

“You have my respect, Thrall. When I’m done half of Azeroth will still be alive.” -Light Thanos https://youtu.be/PLluz40iJOM

[tropic trail]

Why do you feel the need to do this? XD

[pulsar minnow]

I just really want Blizz to go back to Azeroth next expansion to be honest

[terse patrol]

^

[tropic trail]

So we can have more Magni?

What, are you trolling?

[terse patrol]

The best expansions are on Azeroth.

[pulsar minnow]

I want the Dragon Isles

[terse patrol]

(Minus BFA)

[tropic trail]

Dragon Isles will be a disappointment like Crestfall was

[pulsar minnow]

Crestfall was an island expedition?

[tropic trail]

Yeah

"I didn't like this content so I'm gonna pretend it never happened and shit on it for eternity"

Daily reminder that gamers are the worst thing about gaming

Gumball, if nobody ever complained, all gaming companies would be EA

There's a difference between constructive criticism and bitching

You need to have toxicity to have some nice things

🤷

[tropic trail]

It's depressingly hilarious when people believe this unironically

Constructive criticism is different because you can't expect the average Joe to even know what it means

Yeah you can, because it's covered in every grade group of school

From elementary through highschool

It's literally part of the educational standard

[terse patrol]

I mean, toxicity aside, some expansions are worse than others, and looking at them all with sugar coated goggles is silly. I mean, ok, fine. If you like all of WoW, cool. I envy you.

[tropic trail]

Right. And how many kids actively pay attention in school?

The ones that don't suck

[pulsar minnow]

how did we get here

[terse patrol]

TBC was great mechanically for its time, but the story was awful, and it lead to many issues we still deal with today.

[tropic trail]

I'm sorry, I don't go around expecting dropouts and D- passing grades to be the standard

[terse patrol]

Cataclysm was a classic mixed bag.

It was equalish parts awful and good.

[pulsar minnow]

My first launch experience was in legion so I may be a bit biased, but I never really found a time where I wasn't doing something or finding something to do in the expansion

[tropic trail]

Well, I am a dropout. It was due to bullying and toxicity. Wanna know how I got knowledgeable? The internet

[terse patrol]

Wrath’s issues were largely mechanical rather than story.

[pulsar minnow]

Didnt wrath have a big content drought initially?

[terse patrol]

Those first couple patches were ROUGH

No, just crap post-leveling content.

Vehicle combat was terrible.

Pandaria was good, but suffered story wise from the decisions made in Cataclysm.

See: Garrosh

[tropic trail]

Pandaria is one of the richest expansions lorewise

So much story uncovered

[pulsar minnow]

Well in regards to Pandaria its definitely one of the most believable expansion in that it actually feels lived-in

unlike... the "infinite" shadowlands

[tropic trail]

"SLOW DOWN"

[terse patrol]

Pandaria was good unless it involved Garrosh.

[tropic trail]

Garrosh could have been a good character if the same team worked on him all the way

He is super memorable and has an appealing design

But just making him uber racist all of the sudden, well

Not a good idea

Let's commit genocide!

[terse patrol]

Imagine an alt timeline with Varian and Garrosh fighting side by side on the Broken Shore.

[tropic trail]

Fun!

Yeah, we got the worst Garrosh

He was supposed to be the Grom we couldn't get

And speaking of Grom, I hope he shows up

Varian and Sourteeth have been confirmed by Danuser to not show up

But Grom? Free real estate

[terse patrol]

Well, Garrosh could have been “what if Grom wasn’t a selfish asshole.”

Grom was an asshole in both timelines.

[tropic trail]

Yes but he was an honorable asshhole

[terse patrol]

When he died in ours, he thought of only himself at his death.

[tropic trail]

Apparently

[terse patrol]

Garrosh could have been the one to learn from his fathers sins.

Instead

He became literal WoW Hitler.

lol

[tropic trail]

Let's commit genocide! Fun!

[terse patrol]

Complete with race supremacy.

“muh orcs”

[pulsar minnow]

Now he's back as a raid mechanic :D

[tropic trail]

I sure hope writers would stop using these cheap clichés for their villains

[pulsar minnow]

"how do we make them evil?"

"genocide."

[terse patrol]

I mean, Sylvanas did way worse. Garrosh wanted to enslave the other races. Sylvanas wanted to kill them all and brainwash them into the Forsaken.

[tropic trail]

"Let's draw parallels from our villain to real life villains!"
"No, no, let's make them sexually threaten female characters while beating and killing animals!"

[terse patrol]

Reminder that in Cataclysm Sylvanas genocided Stromgarde and Gilneas, as well as everyone in Hillsbrad and Silverpine.

Literal widespread genocide and raising.

[tropic trail]

Garrosh called her a bitch lol xD

[terse patrol]

Back when he was a reasonablr warchief

[tropic trail]

"What you have done here. It goes against nature. Disgusting is the only word I have to describe it. Tell me, Sylvanas. What difference is there between you and the Lich King now, bitch?"

"Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the Horde “
“Bitch watch your bitching bitch mouth, bitch"

[terse patrol]

I miss when Blizzard was willing to use bad words.

[unborn glacier]

I bet you that the Dragon Isles are the remnants of the Dragon Lands from before the Sundering

[tropic trail]

I believe the Dragon Islands are a part of Aszuna that split off. Like Eye of Azshara

[unborn glacier]

Nah def not

[pulsar minnow]

The Dragon Isles lorewise are north of Sunstrider Isle or whatever

[tropic trail]

Would explain why there are blue dragons in Aszuna, besides the leylines there

[terse patrol]

I like that the Highborne ghosts of Azsuna are Alliance leaning.

[unborn glacier]

Read the War of the Ancients Trilogy. There was the Dragon Lands, which was the original home of the Reds

[tropic trail]

I never read any of the WoW books

#TooBrokeToLive

[terse patrol]

To be fair

Most of them aren’t good lmao

[tropic trail]

Heh

[unborn glacier]

I think they're all good

[terse patrol]

woof

Makani gives good reasons why they aren’t

I’m too lazy to explain

[tropic trail]

I just wanna see the other aspects get replaced

I never liked Alexstrasza

[terse patrol]

I want the Black Dragonflight to be uncorrupted.

[tropic trail]

She was originally a huge bitch

Now she's kinda boring

[terse patrol]

Let the ones on Outland return.

They seem pretty ok

[tropic trail]

Ooo, imagine the Netherwing Dragonflight

[pulsar minnow]

Dont forget ya bois the Stormflight

[tropic trail]

Where are the Albinos again?

We only have a mount referencing them

[terse patrol]

Are the netherwing arcane dragons now? Like, more than blues.

Or are they void, even though blizzard just invented void dragons.

[tropic trail]

Nether energy = light + void

[terse patrol]

The Twisting Nether used to be the realm of arcane.

[tropic trail]

Netherlight Crucible makes it clear

Probably some sort of WoW physics we don't understand

[terse patrol]

But ye, the netherwing was invented before the big cosmology retcon.

So they’re in a weird spot

[tropic trail]

But I believe that fel is light + void with the Void being more prominent and the Nether is light + void with more light

Or maybe I was right and fel is just corrupted arcane made by Sargeras

Magic is stoopid xDd

All my homies punch and kick

[unborn glacier]

You definitely haven't known Alexstrasza for long then xD She is actually super kind and loving, being the favored of Eonar. She even forgave the Orcs for enslaving her and her children, during the Trial of Garrosh in the War Crimes Novel, when Tryande was trying to make the case against all Orcs, not just Garrosh.

[tropic trail]

She was a bitch in the Warcraft Adventures game. The point and click game featuring Thrall

That was my first exposure to Alexstrasza

[unborn glacier]

Yikes

Good thing its not canon

[terse patrol]

Yeah, it’s not canon.

[tropic trail]

But yeah, I think she could be an interesting character if she wasn't a hentai milf, and instead was the cool wise dragon she is supposed to be

[unborn glacier]

But, she is cool and interesting

[tropic trail]

Instead, Nazdormu fulfills that role, and he is lazy

[unborn glacier]

She is literally Eonars favored Aspect, representing all Life

[pulsar minnow]

Dont mean to interrupt. Just got this bug, but it shows how big Korthia is. Doesn't appear to be much bigger than the Beastwarrens. Pretty disappointed by it in general ngl

[tropic trail]

Hey, that's pretty good bad

[pulsar minnow]

Korthia in general doesn't seem to have any sort of significant pull to actually go there

[tropic trail]

It's just another Mechagon

[pulsar minnow]

Like even lorewise, it seems like a lot of the chapters dont even take place in Korthia

Well Mechagon had stuff to do and collect

[mossy meteor]

Dude

It's ptr

[pulsar minnow]

Korthia has like, nothing right now. Just dailies

[terse patrol]

“Guys”

[pulsar minnow]

I get it. But still.

[terse patrol]

“what if”

[mossy meteor]

It's subject to change

[terse patrol]

“more maw?”

[pulsar minnow]

Of course, everything is subject to change, but from what they have now this is awful

[terse patrol]

“wow amaze i didn’t know i wanted more maw”

[tropic trail]

More Maw? More like Maw Maw

[mossy meteor]

Well of course it's awful because they wanted it out on the ptr asap

[pulsar minnow]

What ever happened to this "City of Secrets"

[mossy meteor]

And because content gating is a thing

[terse patrol]

The broken tower of secrets.

[mossy meteor]

Jfc you'd never survive an expansion alpha

[pulsar minnow]

You do realize I was in the Beta with the rest of you guys talking all the time right

[tropic trail]

I honestly wish Blizzard added an entire zone that is just a big fucking city. We never had a claustrophobic Gothic city because Gilneas is underused

[grim canyon]

I mean tbf the big dungeon is a legitimate zone atm

[terse patrol]

I’ve been in the PTR sphere since TBC, I’ve been through MANY expansion PTRs, patch PTRs, etc. It isn’t hard to tell when a patch is weak.

And this one is lookin’ pretty weak.

[grim canyon]

I normally wouldnt form a general opinion until after a few builds come out.

Its only the first build, and they havent even put all the content unlocked yet.

[mossy meteor]

^

[pulsar minnow]

Dont get me wrong, I am super hyped for Tazavesh. But I am immensely disappointed by the lack of City and Secrets in this City of Secrets

[grim canyon]

This first week is also bare for good reason, bc the first week in most cases is just systems testing.

[tropic trail]

And honestly, if they kept doing Warfronts in BfA, they should have done a Silvermoon warfront. The Alliance had Stromgarde lorewise. All they had to do is deploy forces there from Ironforge. There was no opposition higher

[terse patrol]

We’ll see, but I’m saying what I see now. If they pull some worthwhile content out, I’ll change my mind.

[mossy meteor]

It's a destroyed city

[terse patrol]

But right now we’re in the longest content drought in WoW history.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, but a destroyed city implies there used to be things there. Korthia feels like a big garden

[terse patrol]

And this isn’t a lot of content.

[mossy meteor]

Are you fucking kidding me

[grim canyon]

Well for one, we havent even seen the raid flagship as well either @terse patrol

[mossy meteor]

What about wrath -> cata

Mop -> wod

[grim canyon]

Way too early for in depth opinions

[terse patrol]

It was longer than that, dude.

[mossy meteor]

Wod -> legion

[terse patrol]

Do you even remember?

[mossy meteor]

No it's fucking not

[terse patrol]

You’re being kinda toxic, my dude.

[mossy meteor]

Just because a patch is late doesn't mean there's a content drought

[tropic trail]

I've made the horrible mistake of changing covenant so now I have to grind renown. I wouldn't say I'm in a content drought

[mossy meteor]

There's a fucking pandemic in the world, they're not even working in full capacity because working from home is a disaster in the creative world

[grim canyon]

It isnt necesarily toxicity here @terse patrol , but its incredibly insulting to judge an expansion based on 2 days of playing and exploring the first build under a very limited scope.

[mossy meteor]

For a team that's used to seeing each other 50 times during a work day

Face to face

Give them a fucking break

Jesus fucking christ some people

[tropic trail]

Honestly, Blizzard is super spread out

[grim canyon]

Im even still surprised they managed to keep their schedule aligned for this build, by only a one month offset.

[tropic trail]

Working on WoW, Overwatch 2, 4 Diablo projects

[mossy meteor]

The mere fact that they even released the expansion in 2020 is amazing

[tropic trail]

It's kinda weird they still add seasons to Diablo 3

[mossy meteor]

Not even 5 months into the expansion you're crying how it's bad and how there's a "content drought"

Maybe wow isn't for you

There's thousands of games out there

[terse patrol]

https://youtu.be/YwSzvwo5Ct8

[tropic trail]

Hm. Influenced opinion

[terse patrol]

I mean, even Taliesen and Evitel are telling it how it is.

[grim canyon]

Like as a developer for some projects, Impatience is the only thing I cannot stand for. Give the devs the time they need, and you may be surprised if you give that chance.

[mossy meteor]

I don't wanna listen to that guy

[terse patrol]

This is the longest content drought

[grim canyon]

It isnt

[terse patrol]

Watch the video?

[mossy meteor]

9.0 had plenty of content

[grim canyon]

Based on both bfa and legion schedules, this is still perfectly in line on release times, even with a one month offset

[mossy meteor]

For them to release 9.1 now or in march, the expansion would have to been released earlier

[tropic trail]

"There is nothing to do in WoW"
Grind stuff. WoW is all about dressing up your Barbie doll

[mossy meteor]

But it was delayed because they listened to the community

[grim canyon]

^^

[mossy meteor]

Yknow, people like you

And even at release it was a million times better than the start of bfa and legion

[terse patrol]

H’okay.

[tropic trail]

Legion was good. It just came out after the disappointment that WoD was

The release was bad because the servers were also bad

[mossy meteor]

7.2/7.3 legion was good

[pulsar minnow]

I loved Legion at the start tbh. All the way through too. 7.2 was a bit meh but 7.3 was amazing

[mossy meteor]

7.0 7.1 were not great

[terse patrol]

I love this glorified Harry Potter sorting hat expansion complete with Argus 2.0 making up the end game content of two entire patches.

[tropic trail]

I liked Legion but I hated the requirements to get into any groups. If you didn't have all traits unlocked by week 2, you weren't getting accepted to any groups

[terse patrol]

🙄

[tropic trail]

Forced you to grind. Hated that

Also, my first Karazhan run was 5 hours long

Epic gamer moment

[pulsar minnow]

I get that they're working under Covid, but if thats the case I'd prefer them spend their time to develop a REALLY good patch than hype up a patch and then have it under deliver while scrambling to finish the rest

[terse patrol]

At least you aren’t grinding in Shadowlands, right? @tropic trail

[tropic trail]

I've never been this lazy, tbh

[grim canyon]

Look @terse patrol your opinion is your own, I and none of us cant change your mind here. However it is under my own opinion that yours is incredibly hurtful for the devs still under crunch to maintain the same release schedule.

[tropic trail]

I just don't give a fuck anymore. Anima is pointless and I hate it

[terse patrol]

Boohoo. I’m allowed to criticize a corporation’s product.

[grim canyon]

Indeed, in the end, how you play is up to you and noones forcing anyone to grind besides complying to a meta.

[terse patrol]

The devs don’t make the major decisions for WoW.

The marketing team and executives do, as someone who knows people who used to work there.

[tropic trail]

Someone did the math. It would take you 5 years to collect all transmog sets from the covenants at this current level of Anima gains

[terse patrol]

@tropic trail Because they want you to grind in prior expansions. It keeps you subbed.

[mossy meteor]

previous level

because they increased it

and will increase it 3 more times in 9.1

[tropic trail]

As I said, current level

[rough tundra]

links to taliesin video
has not actually watched the video

[thick saddle]

Except, no it isn't? I vaguely recall a drought of more than A YEAR between the ICC raid, and Cataclysm launch.

[grim canyon]

No they unfortunatly do not, but they at least try to not make it a boggled mess under crunch time.

[grim canyon]

Also do you have a credible source that you do indeed know ex blizz workers?

[terse patrol]

I just get annoyed with people blowing glittery smoke up my ass over a WoW patch.