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dense plover Feb 19, 2021, 2:49 AM

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We haven’t seen raid sets for 9.1

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So it’s still possible

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The ‘leak’ is from their press kit, which is just a general overview and some images. It doesn’t ever go in depth.

brazen trellis Feb 19, 2021, 2:52 AM

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oh ok

tiny stream Feb 19, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Yeah. The deep dive and explanations will come in the panels.

austere gazelle Feb 19, 2021, 8:50 AM

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I think the leak was either voluntary or someone pushed it to production instead of preproduction and made a mess 😄

brazen trellis Feb 19, 2021, 2:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/vine-i-cant-believe-youve-done-this-fuck-gif-18308849

Tenor

mossy meteor Feb 19, 2021, 2:53 PM

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i don't think they said anything about the timing

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just "later"

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for what we know, they could be out in 9.1

sonic obsidian Feb 19, 2021, 3:59 PM

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When is 9.0.5 going to be released?

brazen trellis Feb 19, 2021, 4:21 PM

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After blizzcononline I think

austere gazelle Feb 19, 2021, 4:28 PM

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in one or two weeks max I think

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they said early march

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could be the 2/3rd or the 9/10 ,2/3rd more likely I guess

proper flint Feb 20, 2021, 2:22 AM

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and then season 1 is gone?

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and sesaon 2 pvp begins?

silent urchin Feb 20, 2021, 2:22 AM

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season 2 is with 9.1

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so don't expect that for at least a couple months

proper flint Feb 20, 2021, 2:27 AM

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ohh okay

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thank god

tropic trail Feb 20, 2021, 7:43 AM

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hello and what is new here please ??
-))

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-))

tropic trail Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 AM

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So... Do you think Kingsmourne can be split like Shalamayne?

strange falcon Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 AM

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It was a property of the blade,so it is possible

tropic trail Feb 20, 2021, 11:32 AM

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Tbh I think Sylvanas has Arthas chained up somewhere

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"Come on Arthas. I gave you a replica Frostmourne. Why don't you try sticking it in me again, I might like it this time" and then she stabs Arthas

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And then Arthas becomes a boss in the new raid

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And Sylvanas dips to the next room

tranquil finch Feb 20, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Why don't you try sticking it in me again, I might like it this time

austere gazelle Feb 20, 2021, 12:45 PM

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raid boss : KelThuzad, Tarragrue, Nathanos, Sylvanas, some old known figure that has been turned , and nobodys ( like " The Magister " in Gorgoa )

strange falcon Feb 20, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Nathanos too?

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I thought they'd save KT for maldraxxus raid

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Also this maw raid feels too soon,is jailer gonna go "ha u beat my lieutenants but u will still fail"

tropic trail Feb 20, 2021, 1:36 PM

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I mean Nathanos foreshadowed his return

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"Go ahead. Kill me. You'll send me right to my lady" - Nathanos Simpcaller

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Tbh I wish WoW were more graphic. The violence is pretty subdued and you barely see any blood or gore in the cinematics

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Even some scratches or bruises would be fine, but nope, gotta keep the kid friendly tone

austere gazelle Feb 20, 2021, 2:13 PM

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strange falcon Nathanos too?

It's a theory, but if nathanos is to be a raid boss, it has to be before sylvanas is dealt with. That leaves little space as to where they could put him

blissful arch Feb 20, 2021, 2:22 PM

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You mean, when Sylvanas sabotages the Jailer and saves us all.

strange falcon Feb 20, 2021, 2:37 PM

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blissful arch You mean, when Sylvanas sabotages the Jailer and saves us all.

imo at the end of the Sylv fight,the ground crumbles under us,or similar plot device

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and we dont get our hands on sylvanas just yet

fossil sparrow Feb 20, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Arthus is going to show up during the Sylvanas fight and kill steal.

dense plover Feb 20, 2021, 4:03 PM

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"As new content is unlocking in the Maw, both over in Korthia and in the main Maw space itself as the Covenants are making their attacks and we've got these very Legion Assault-like Covenant Strikes where the Covenants are taking the fight there and you've got a bunch of mini objectives and then it all culminates in a big finale. That's one of the big new things happening in the Maw space. " - Assaults ARE coming back, my prediction was right!

pulsar minnow Feb 20, 2021, 4:09 PM

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But only in the Maw

dense plover Feb 20, 2021, 4:11 PM

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still something

pulsar minnow Feb 20, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Yep

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I wonder if they’re going to let us transmog our Legendaries next patch or if they’re going to turn that into the LFR variant of the Domination Raid sets

strange falcon Feb 20, 2021, 4:16 PM

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pulsar minnow I wonder if they’re going to let us transmog our Legendaries next patch or if th...

the domination raid sets are the same models as the legendaries,prob they can do a questline like trial of valor,where they mail the ensemble to you or something

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for the leggos

pulsar minnow Feb 20, 2021, 4:17 PM

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I hope. There’s like 5 variants. I don’t want any of them going to waste

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I need this

brazen trellis Feb 20, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Meh

strange falcon Feb 20, 2021, 4:22 PM

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LFR is our legos,
3 variants for raid
2 variants for pvp

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Ez done

brazen trellis Feb 20, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Tbh I like the first plate one

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Yeah i don’t like how the legos will be lfr

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They look the best

tall flower Feb 20, 2021, 4:56 PM

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they will be easy to farm. get guild group, que LFR, profit

urban vault Feb 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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tropic trail "Go ahead. Kill me. You'll send me right to my lady" - Nathanos Simpcaller

Nathanos "Ion" Simpcaller

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tettlesW

proper palm Feb 20, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Nathanos, Sylvanas MM mount ?

dense plover Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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None of them will be the mythic tint. Mythic has additional spell effects and some model differences

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The leggo tint will likely remain as leggo only tho they might make the rest of the set available as a cosmetic set thing

uncut vault Feb 20, 2021, 10:52 PM

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that seems like an astoundingly dumb idea to have trhe set people have already been wanting and getting unobtainable, especially since its just a recolor

dense plover Feb 20, 2021, 11:37 PM

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I’m saying it might come from an achieve or like the trial of valor cosmetic unlock

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Having it as armor when the legendaries would share the same icons would definitely be confusing

brazen trellis Feb 21, 2021, 12:03 AM

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well, time to get grindin

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still havent done my campaign net lololol

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yet*

faint nova Feb 21, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Honestly

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I see it that Nathanos might be brainwashed into forsaking Sylvanas

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like she'll see him as she is struck down, reach out to him, and he'll like be looking down at her, before turning to the Jailer and being like "What are your orders, my king?"

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 7:46 AM

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I see the Jailer secretly forging a new Mawsworn out of Nathanos and it'll be the final straw for Sylvanas

faint nova Feb 21, 2021, 7:47 AM

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That could work too, and she recognizes it by the bow he's using

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either that, or she strikes the Mawsworn out of anger, knocking its skull mask off and seeing Nathanos face under it

austere gazelle Feb 21, 2021, 11:31 AM

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or nathanos being used as a mean of pressure by the Jailer to force Sylvanas to do things

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It would be very dumb if the Jailer, who can see everything, did not sense an ounce of flinch in Sylvanas motivations

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Perhaps he got a plan B to make her " serve "

mossy meteor Feb 21, 2021, 1:10 PM

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i still think the final raid could be oribos

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fighting jailer at the arbiter's platform maybe?

iron jungle Feb 21, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Oh boi here we go again right?

pulsar minnow Feb 21, 2021, 2:10 PM

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mossy meteor i still think the final raid could be oribos

I think it’ll probably take place at this “Sepulcher” or some other First One Facility. But definitely a First One raid. It kind of has to. The First Ones are likely what got him locked up in the first place

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 4:53 PM

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https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1363440938937442304 https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1363529792373538819

Martin Benjamins (@Marlamin)

Undocumented 9.0.5 change:

The "covenant conference floor" in Oribos now has the covenant sigils embedded on the stones so the leaders remember where to stand.

Martin Benjamins (@Marlamin)

@yuvalaziza @0rteku

cunning fossil Feb 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Oooooh

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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o3o

cunning fossil Feb 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Those don't look like cracks ngl

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They look more like a whole eye sigil

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Hmm...

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Nah, those are definitely cracks. Someone smashed that

cunning fossil Feb 21, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Feels wierd since if that's the case

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What was the OG sigil

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It wasn't magical so it should still be there

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Or at least, what would be left of it

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Well I mean, we know the Maw was not always the Maw.

stiff vector Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 PM

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pre 9.0.5 look fwiw

cunning fossil Feb 21, 2021, 5:10 PM

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What would the maw have been then

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Super revendreth?

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Xp

stiff vector Feb 21, 2021, 5:10 PM

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"most vile and irredeemable souls"

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e.g. the person that invented advertisements

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or pineapple on pizza

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all terrible irredeemable things

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 5:12 PM

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cunning fossil Super revendreth?

maw could have been the original oribos is a popular theory(in the sense that all souls went to maw first then were distributed)
would also explain why the soulstream defaulted to the maw

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when the arbiter was taken down

obsidian turtle Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Bwonsamdi told us not to trust the brokers, I'm gonna listen to my boy

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 PM

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ven'ari herself is ultra sus

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 PM

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It is clear when going through the Maw, that the Maw was not always what it is now. It looks like the zone was fractured and twisted into what it is now

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 5:14 PM

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and apparently "korthia"(the new 9.1 zone)was originally part of the maw

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and has only now been reattached

unborn glacier Feb 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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And WoWhead confirms that the Dreadlords will be present in Korthia

austere gazelle Feb 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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it's also possible that the Eternal ones had part of the memories ripped off ( Kyrian style ) and they forgot something important, and how the shadowlands were before, the whole realm was repurposed by someone who splitted everything into several realms

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Art book has six symbols, one is the Skull.

That sigil is broken.

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is what i got from someone else

pulsar minnow Feb 21, 2021, 5:41 PM

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The Maw is a combination of the remnants of a ton of different realms

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The Jailer pulled the maw together using chains from within torghast

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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if i didnt get t he interview wrong

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korthia had been a part of the maw in the past

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and it just now is being reattached

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so the jailer isnt making a stiched together realm

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also

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I missed this part of the interview:

Q:
During the Covenant Campaigns, we defeated multiple antagnoists in each area, but they fled to
the Jailer back to the Maw before dying. Can we expect to see them again in a raid sooner or
later? Maybe at the Sanctum of Domination?
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Some, most definitely. We have a few surprises in store for players in the Sanctum of
Domination, and we can't wait for them to explore the Jailer's personal and remote quarters.
It's interesting that we are only just beginning to discover his plans but also how outrageously
big they are.

Everything is linked to it, every plot of every area, the problems with the Covenants, the
disapperance of the Primus in Maldraxxus, etc ... He is the architesct of many threats that we
have known, and he is very interested in the fact that we, the heroes of Azeroth, have
succeeded in thwarting his plans on several occasions.

This is the subject of Chains of Domination: Discovering how great his goals are, and how much
he wishes to impact the whole of Creation.

However, I do not wish to say more at this time.

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 7:28 PM

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stiff vector pre 9.0.5 look fwiw

i've found what the sigil is supposed to look like from the artbook https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/813116667873460264/The_Art_of_World_of_Warcraft_Shadowlands.jpg

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301856568050319360/813130873393643520/Screenshot_20210221-143138_Gallery.jpg

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found another picture of the maw symbol

brazen trellis Feb 21, 2021, 8:08 PM

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So the maw covenant

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Was it confirmed?

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I don’t agree with it

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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this is from the artbook

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ingame the "maw covenant's symbol" is broken

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as shown if you scroll up

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definitely more story to come

stiff vector Feb 21, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Keep in mind the broken/smashed texture has been there since launch

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Was just updated to fit the rest in quality/design when they added the other covenants

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We'll likely see the place more but I wouldn't connect any huge theories to it yet

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 10:30 PM

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stiff vector Keep in mind the broken/smashed texture has been there since launch

it was updated to show over covenants symbols

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meaning that the pedestals are tied to covenants

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and both in launch AND the updated version,the maw one is cracked/destroyed

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meaning that it was functioning at one point,plus the artbook detailing what shape the maw covenant would use as its symbol

pulsar minnow Feb 21, 2021, 11:12 PM

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strange falcon meaning that it was functioning at one point,plus the artbook detailing what sha...

Well it's not what the Maw covenant would use, its what it does use. The Maw and it's current motif with skulls and LOTR/Sauron-like architecture and armor is a more recent development as it happened after Zovaal betrayed everyone and was locked away in the Maw along with all the other evil souls. So I think the symbol would look way different, as it's still a mystery as to what the Jailer's realm was before all this. He was not always the Jailer.

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I'm curious as to what you guys think Zovaal did that the others saw as the greatest crime of all time that got him locked up

rotund prawn Feb 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Humorous montage of completely inconsiquential crimes

jade basalt Feb 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

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@strange falcon Which interview were you citing here?

strange falcon Feb 21, 2021, 11:33 PM

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strange falcon I missed this part of the interview: Q: During the Covenant Campaigns, we defe...

Im horrible at remembering sources but given the contents of it,id say day2 of this blizzcon

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 12:37 AM

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well

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theres 6 sigils

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and yeah, one of them is oribos

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but the arbiter doesnt seem - sentient, like the others

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so maybe the jailer killed one of his 'siblings'

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and the current arbiter is all thats left

rotund prawn Feb 22, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Like there was some person who got replaced with the arbiter or the arbiter is like the hollowed out shell of the dead person

sonic flame Feb 22, 2021, 2:21 AM

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quick question, i've been following what happens in shadowlands, through wowhead posts and watching all videos and stuff, but haven't played it yet

i've seen in the last video that uther is being like.. treated poorly by the oribos guards, and he's also very sad

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what's behind it?

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last thing i recall was a dark angel bringing him up to the maw and having him throw arthas into it

rotund prawn Feb 22, 2021, 2:27 AM

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It's possible he was just sad because he was confused by how weirdly Anduin was acting

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I think he's being treated poorly because of something to do with a schism in the Kyrians over whether having a memory strengthens or weakens your commitment to justice or something like that

uncut vault Feb 22, 2021, 2:55 AM

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sonic flame quick question, i've been following what happens in shadowlands, through wowhead...

he's a major antagonist of the kyrian campaign, by the penultimate chapter he finds out he was being used by the forsworn leaderships (Lysonia), and in the final chapter turns against her and helps the Kyrian, and submits for imprisonment by the Kyrian

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 3:00 AM

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rotund prawn It's possible he was just sad because he was confused by how weirdly Anduin was ...

they actually confirmed that him reacting with the wound was because he sensed the same magic

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the magic of the jailer

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the same stuff of frostmourne

bleak prairie Feb 22, 2021, 3:38 AM

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ok im hella confused tho. how did we get from finishing our covenant campaign stories to what's going on in torghast? what's going on with jaina?

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i know we saved baine bloodhoof but what

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whats going on

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 3:40 AM

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the jaina stuff is resolved

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 3:40 AM

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bleak prairie whats going on

have you been progressing renown and doing your weekly/daily bolvar torghast stuff?

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anduin is the only one still trapped

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and theres 3 cutscenes

bleak prairie Feb 22, 2021, 3:42 AM

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oh shiz rlly

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what are they

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im at renown 28

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when does the renown cap even become active

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also what does PTR stand for

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 3:47 AM

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public test realm

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its where they test the next game version

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renown isnt capped anymore

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or

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not at the point youre at

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but also, you need to go to oribos and get the quests from bolvar

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b/c it sounds like you just arent doing that

formal dawn Feb 22, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Is there an NPC that dings our renown to renown level cap?

cunning fossil Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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No you gotta slowly work towards it by don't things like callings dungeons raids pvp etc.

solar temple Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Doing*

formal dawn Feb 22, 2021, 3:30 PM

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this is ptr dude

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im not doing that on ptr

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i want to try another covenant

dense plover Feb 22, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Ptr isn’t for you to test what you want to play

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Ptr covenant feedback is aimed at players already in said covenant

formal dawn Feb 22, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Okay I was hoping we could try out different covenants

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Since we had the npc on beta

vestal wing Feb 22, 2021, 5:01 PM

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You can only try them during leveling or if you choose Fate leveling at the NPCs before you choose one.

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 PM

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So Flagellation got buffed for Rogue

vestal wing Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 PM

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nobody plays rogue anyway

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Sir I love rogue (even is Ass rogue is, well, Ass)

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but this is a pretty good change

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even if it's for one of the weaker covenants

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It's not clunky anymore at least

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and 50% AP for intial hit is quite large (Echoing Reprimand, the BiS for Rogues currently deals ~130%)

unborn glacier Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 PM

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urban vault and 50% AP for intial hit is quite large (Echoing Reprimand, the BiS for Rogues ...

BiS for Rogues xDDDDD

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 PM

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u know what I mean

unborn glacier Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Sepsis

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Is BiS

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:.

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:>

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Echoing is best for Sub (PvP) hands down cause of it's huge burst

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It's interchangeable for Outlaw

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and no one plays Ass

unborn glacier Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 PM

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For Sub

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rooSipping

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 PM

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hmm

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gotcha

unborn glacier Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 PM

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You can go either or for Sub, the difference is smol, but if you are an absolute numbers hardass

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Niya ya go

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 PM

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all the rogue mains I've asked said that Echoing is better--though much harder to get value from

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But yeah

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makes sense

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(To be fair I haven't really cared for meta in a long time, I've been having a blast on Necro MW Monk for pities sake)

unborn glacier Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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I love Sepsis for my Outlaw. It synergizes very well with [Count the Odds]

haughty houndBOT Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Count the Odds - https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=341546/count-the-odds - PTR 9.0.5

Count the Odds

urban vault Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Don't play Outlaw

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but cool

mossy meteor Feb 23, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Without getting specific, I can say that when you complete the Sanctum of Domination raid, you will see a big visible difference in the Shadowlands.

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nice

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very excited

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the ptr is about a month away

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give or take

pulsar minnow Feb 23, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Okay so what they’re saying in that quote is that the Jailer is breaking free. For sure.

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The maw is gonna grow even more maybe. Or perhaps Oribos will be damaged by the Jailer somehow.

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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or ya know, the big maw portal could change

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or a bunch of other things

pulsar minnow Feb 23, 2021, 3:18 AM

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That was kind of what I was getting at. The Maw below Oribos might just grow even more and cover the skyline. The Jailer is definitely breaking free though. No doubt about it at this point.

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 3:36 AM

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i figured it would happen at the start of 9.1

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bit surprised its not

unborn glacier Feb 23, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Him breaking free would be the death of Ardenweald though

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Its the Heart of the Forest keeping the Maw inescapable.

pulsar minnow Feb 23, 2021, 4:46 AM

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unborn glacier Him breaking free would be the death of Ardenweald though

Not necessarily. The Heart of the Forest’s magic is what bound the Jailer, and just needs anima to continue functioning. It’s simply just the heart of the biggest tree in Ardenweald.
Ardenweald is bound to the life of the Winter Queen. The loss of the Heart of the Forest wouldn’t kill Ardenweald, but it’d definitely need to be repaired.

unborn glacier Feb 23, 2021, 5:01 AM

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The cov campaign makes it quite clear. The Heart goes, Ardenweald goes.

pulsar minnow Feb 23, 2021, 6:25 AM

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I must’ve missed something. Because last I saw, and I’ve done the campaign 3 times now, Ardenweald isn’t reliant on the Heart of the Forest. Only the Jailer’s bonds are. That’s why it’s important. Is there a quest that gives this away?

bleak prairie Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 AM

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so, i think sylvanas is dying next raid

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shes one of the raid bosses for the next raid.

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dont know how i feel about it

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though shell likely just find a way to escape

tranquil lynx Feb 23, 2021, 9:53 AM

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just finished a mission for ardenweald. are we getting an explanation for elune? cause i saw a vision where a certain nature centaur demi god was labeled as an adopted son

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oh shit nevermind it's that mother nature dragon demigod from the emerald dream in legion

strange falcon Feb 23, 2021, 11:42 AM

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https://twitter.com/TheLostCodex/status/1363749804782813185

🌐The Lost Codex 🌐 (@TheLostCodex)

@Skoll_Shorties @keyboardturn I would think the gem that the Jailor conjured and had fused into the sword would play a major role in the controlling of Anduin and considering the other 3 don't have Blue crysta-

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Sweet mother of mercy!

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804763881351282748/813735596215238707/Screenshot_20210222-215910.png

drowsy wolf Feb 23, 2021, 3:58 PM

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The jailer thinks there are only 4 keys. Where's the 5th?

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 4:12 PM

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There are only 4 keys

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The ilgynoth 5 keys was about nzoth and the pillars of creation

foggy abyss Feb 23, 2021, 5:02 PM

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We sure about that ?

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I am 2 billion percent sure

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The whisper about the 5 keys was right before we slotted 5 pillars of creation in a tower that had a Titan mechanism buried underneath it

strange falcon Feb 23, 2021, 5:07 PM

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foggy abyss We sure about that ?

my man.majima as the profile pic,can still hear his "kiryu chan!!" in my nightmares

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:08 PM

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“During Legion's reveal at Gamescom, 2015, it was stated that the Pillars of Creation were used 12 000 years ago by the Highborne to seal a wound in the earth, before building the Temple of Elune over it.”

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That’s why there is Titan stuff there

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It was there from before that

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To help keep nzoth sealed away

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The fact that nzoth only needs the HoA when we arrive implies that the other locks were already removed

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:45 PM

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so

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Korthia

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Kelthuzad

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i think ive figured out how some of it ties together

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KT got the medallion of domination from Denathrius

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with enough anima (something the jailer has a shit ton of theoretically), you can use it to manipulate realms

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Korthia is not originally part of the maw

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its the broker zone apparently

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or at least part of it

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which ties into the whole thing with the brokers fleeing to oribos for an unspecified reasonj

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and explains how the medallion was used

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the why of korthia is still up in the air but it likely has to do with freeing the jailer since brokers can leave the shadowlands at will

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i wouldnt be surprised if 9.1 ends with the jailer being broken free and him pulling a new zone into the shadowlands from outside of it - maybe something tied directly to the nathrezim? Maybe a remnant or piece of Nathreza

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Tazavesh is the Broker market

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:49 PM

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yes

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Korthia is an ancient First One-related realm that used to be inhabited by Attendants like Oribos

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:49 PM

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oh

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but a bunch of interviews also called it a piece of the broker homeland

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I don't recall that, other than it being called "a long-lost domain" and the whole thing with the First Ones, would you have a link?

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:51 PM

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yeah

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gimme a sec

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https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2021/2/19/22289739/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-9-1-chains-domination-blizzard-developer-interview-blizzconline

Polygon

Everything changing in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands’ polarizing M...

The Maw is about to become a much friendlier zone to explore

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jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Hmm so that seems to be said by Ryan (the Polygon article's author), not a dev, so it's likely he's mistaken.

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:53 PM

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ok

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 5:54 PM

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There will be some Brokers there though, I think, but IIRC they come after, because they're also interested in the secrets of Korthia.

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:54 PM

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gimme a sec

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im gonna check some other interviews

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ok yeah

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seems like thats a typo

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still tho - its not normally part of the maw

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Korthia.. Nathria... Mmm maybe there is alink

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 5:56 PM

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i imagine KT and the medallion are involved

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b/c the medallion is noted as being able to manipulate zones and move them with enough anima

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Nathreza, land of Knowledge of Magic, Korthia, city of secrets... that sound like somehting the Nathrezim would explore or tie with

bold granite Feb 23, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Korthia I thought was confirmed to be part of the maw that was ripped off

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Korthia is not part of the Maw originally, it's from a different realm, but he pulled it into the Maw

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This isn't really new to be clear- the landmass of the Maw had already been described as having been put together by Zovaal by throwing chains from Torghast and pulling in pieces of land from all around the Maw.

The landmass within the Maw consists of pieces of land that have been ripped from a realm that was destroyed upon entering the Maw's atmosphere and whose pieces have become burned and desiccated. The Jailer pieced these together into a single landmass by throwing out chains in every direction within the Maw from Torghast and pulling them inwards.[14] The Maw was sealed and made inescapable with the magic of the Heart of the Forest, with the goal of banishing The Jailer forever.[15]
So most likely, Zovaal's realm blew up (why it looks all burned and desiccated), and he pieced it back together and that's the "continent" we play on.

The difference here though is that now the Jailer is also able to yank landmasses from other realms outside the Maw. So here he grabbed Korthia from another realm and pulled it into the Maw.

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So.. he could probably grab a chunk of Ardenweald now, if he wanted to. But he's specifically after something on Korthia and since he can't escape the Maw, he brought Korthia to him.

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 6:03 PM

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yeah, im just saying that pulling in the zones thing is new and probably because of the medallion of domination KT has

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Its possible that Kel Thuzad was yeeted from maldraxus into the maw for this specific purpose

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Helya who is expert at manipulating dimension

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 6:10 PM

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he wasnt yeeted

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he ran away TO the maw

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 6:10 PM

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He was abducted by mawsworn

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^^

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Even if he was willing to go inside, the MawSworn urged him inside :;p

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Sure

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 6:33 PM

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O_o

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The First Ones created the cosmos, such as the Light and the Void.

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So the First one preceded the event of Chronicles 🤔

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They are defo the Xel Naga of the Wow Universe

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2589058-Lost-Codex-and-Bellular-Lore-Interview-Spoilers?p=53033920#post53033920

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOoMal-MdOw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuwhaKo3UL8

bold granite Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

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I thought there was a quest from Veneiri saying that he added ground to the maw by literally mushing souls into dirt

pulsar minnow Feb 23, 2021, 7:29 PM

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austere gazelle So the First one preceded the event of Chronicles 🤔

Yes. They made our Cosmos. Definitely super powerful. I really hope we can see one this expansion. My theory is that the old Alpha item labeled “Death of a Progenitor” (old name for the First Ones, and I think it’s been removed but it’s previous existence says a lot ) is related to the Sepulcher. Perhaps a First One died and blew up the Jailer’s realm, and what was left of the First One was locked within the Sepulcher.

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https://www.wowhead.com/spell=323995/death-of-a-progenitor

Wowhead

Death of a Progenitor

In the Uncategorized Spells category. Added in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands. Always up to date with the latest patch (9.0.2).

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This is what I’m referring to

foggy abyss Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

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@strange falcon majimaokay

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 9:59 PM

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omg

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they buffed spinning crane kick!

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it grants SHUFFLE

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ITS USEFUL FOR MORE THAN AOE

urban vault Feb 23, 2021, 10:02 PM

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woa

jade basalt Feb 23, 2021, 10:06 PM

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The First Ones created the cosmos, such as the Light and the Void.

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The interview doesn't say that.

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:12 PM

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@jade basalt I know we're both on scrolls of lore 😉

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I doesnt say that the First Ones created light and shadow, it said that they architected those forces

rotund prawn Feb 23, 2021, 11:17 PM

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So that could mean that light and shadow already existed but they sculpted it
Or maybe that they made the blueprints for light and shadow and later light and shadow became that

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 11:24 PM

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an architect designs the building, they dont build it, and they dont make the stone

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:24 PM

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yeah they order the inside, and lay the foundation, using raw materials already existing

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This link us to the " Great Ordering of Light and Shadow " that Kadghar mentionned about Elune, the Era during which she created the Naaru.

The first One probably weaved light and shadow and created all the cosmos powerhouse with those
Which renders Elune closer and closer to being a First One

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( to be more specific, in the interview they do say that the first ones architected those cosmos forces, creating Pantheon of Death and Order etc. Elune created the Naaru for the Light. So... that means what it should means I guess )

dense plover Feb 23, 2021, 11:29 PM

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well - no

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the winter queen called elune her sister

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so - closer to whatever the covenant leaders are

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similar to titans maybe?

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idk

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:33 PM

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It's not clear yet that Elune is the sister she mentionned

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However, since the First Ones created Pantheons, that would make WQ and Eonar siblings or relatives ( created by the same " parents " )

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Elune is weaving a lot of different type of Magic, like a First Ones could do apparently since they shaped all the cosmos forces.

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Another point, since those forces existed but were unordered before, it would make sense that Xal would call Elune, a possible First Ones that ordered all the cosmos powerhouse , an " upstart godess " since they all meddled in all of the forces to clean each of them

rotund prawn Feb 23, 2021, 11:43 PM

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So there's a Pantheon of Death(Eternals), Pantheon of Order(Titans), and Pantheon of Light(Naaru)?

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:44 PM

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I don't think they are all called Pantheon though, we will know this later

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I suspect there is a Pantheon of the void with seven void lords ( maybe ) or a Trimuvirate of the Void

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For the Light it is more complicated, I suspect that there might be a gathering of Prime Naaru
As for Life... Unknown territory

rotund prawn Feb 23, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I mean Life is probably Wild Gods

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Fel is kinda ? cause it's just Sargeras and demons and Eredudes

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Yeah I guess the Twisting nether was the gabage bean of the cosmos

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where the First One threw everything that was impossible to order

unborn glacier Feb 23, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Eonar being the Winter Queens sister, makes zero sense

austere gazelle Feb 23, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Why that? Winter queen's domain is life in death, Eonar's domain is Life in life. Winter Queen and Summer Queen, the relationship make sense, with the fact that both of them were created by the same beings.

However , Elune makes also sense, but the power difference between them both is.. puzzling

dense plover Feb 24, 2021, 12:01 AM

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we dont know elunes power or the WQ's really

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the winter queen is almost definitely the most powerful of the covenant leaders we have actually met

austere gazelle Feb 24, 2021, 12:02 AM

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We know that Elune's power span the universe, and that she can wield almost every type of Magic, and that she is acknowledged by Xal as an " upstart godess " , and she created the Naarus
On the other side, the winter queen seems stuck on her realm and bound by duty there

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Other Option is that Elune was a entity that was the same as the WQ and was elevated as the rank of First One by a First Ones, probably a love relationship or something

rotund prawn Feb 24, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Thing is Elune isn’t related to Ysera, is she?

austere gazelle Feb 24, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Ysera was empowered by Eonar, indirecty. So there is a link with Eonar
On the Other side, there is the whole mater of Ysera / Elune / Malorne / Cenarius, and Elune threw Ysera's soul in the Shadowlands, mirroring the way the WQ ressurect her.

Both theory have solid ground, but weak spots, so , I don't know. Moreover, in Elunaria, sanctum of Eonar in the Antorus raid, there was a lot of Dragon flying in the air, so Eonar has probably a soft spot for dragons

jade basalt Feb 24, 2021, 12:07 AM

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It's not really a new bit of info though, the Art of Shadowlands already stated that the First Ones "shaped the cosmos", and "cosmos" in WoW refers to all the cosmic foces and realms (as seen on Chronicle's cosmic chart)

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They basically ordered everything.

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And then possibly left behind these Pantheons to maintain those systems.

austere gazelle Feb 24, 2021, 12:08 AM

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jade basalt It's not really a new bit of info though, the Art of Shadowlands already stated ...

Sure, but we have now a direct confirmation

jade basalt Feb 24, 2021, 12:08 AM

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I'm saying we already had direct confirmation silly!

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But yes it's nice that it's re-affirmed

austere gazelle Feb 24, 2021, 12:09 AM

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not about the Pantheons :p

jade basalt Feb 24, 2021, 12:09 AM

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I was talking about the First Ones?

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Pantheons are the Eternal Ones and Titans

austere gazelle Feb 24, 2021, 12:10 AM

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I meant, that the First Ones directly created the Pantheons.
We could have thought, for example, that those Pantheons naturally came into being without any influences

jade basalt Feb 24, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Well the interview doesn't say that they created them

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We just know there's a connection between the Pantheons and the First Ones
And a connection between the Pantheon of Death and the Pantheon of Order

stiff vector Feb 24, 2021, 12:14 AM

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can we have a petition to have less pantheons

dense plover Feb 24, 2021, 12:28 AM

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^

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i just want the titans and then have everything before just be "because"

uncut vault Feb 24, 2021, 1:43 AM

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my body instinctively tensed up during the bellular interview when Danuser said "the titan pantheon, the pantheon of death, and the pantheons of all the other powers"

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like you just know we're gonna spend the next decade learning about all this stuff in an intensely long slow burn

dense plover Feb 24, 2021, 3:03 AM

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hey - if it gives us exotic visuals like SLs does, i wont mind

strange falcon Feb 24, 2021, 7:56 AM

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dense plover hey - if it gives us exotic visuals like SLs does, i wont mind

exotic visuals pog

bitter plaza Feb 24, 2021, 11:25 AM

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I love coming here to read what people think will happen, it's so interesting to read

strange falcon Feb 24, 2021, 11:35 AM

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bitter plaza I love coming here to read what people think will happen, it's so interesting to...

join speculation discords

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on wows lore of course not just any speculation

bitter plaza Feb 24, 2021, 11:41 AM

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ooh

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I'll look into it

mossy meteor Feb 24, 2021, 1:36 PM

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beware the tinfoil hats

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tinfoilhat

solar temple Feb 24, 2021, 1:37 PM

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cheese

bitter plaza Feb 24, 2021, 2:27 PM

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cheese

bold granite Feb 24, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Did I read right all mounts will work in the maw?

vestal wing Feb 24, 2021, 2:33 PM

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yes

bold granite Feb 24, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Awe my Druid is no longer unique!!! (Welcome change, it’s been the reason I havnt messed with alts)

tropic trail Feb 24, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Nor Worgens

solar temple Feb 24, 2021, 2:39 PM

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tropic trail Nor Worgens

Thank god lol

trim lotus Feb 25, 2021, 5:50 PM

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is it 9.05 or 9.1 that all mounts will work in the maw. I thought it was 9.1

dense plover Feb 25, 2021, 5:54 PM

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9.1

cunning fossil Feb 26, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Any idea when .0.5 comes out,m

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I'm itching to play and level new stuff

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And...things

dense plover Feb 26, 2021, 7:14 AM

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March

runic kettle Feb 26, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Any idea when in march?

strange falcon Feb 26, 2021, 7:37 AM

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Probably early march rather than later

cunning fossil Feb 26, 2021, 8:21 AM

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Awesome

bitter plaza Feb 26, 2021, 11:02 AM

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I read that as "when is march" lmao

austere gazelle Feb 26, 2021, 11:22 AM

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They did officially say early march yea

thick saddle Feb 26, 2021, 1:14 PM

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runic kettle Any idea when in march?

My estimate is sometime between the 1st and 31st 😛

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Probably 16 or 23 (US) / 17 or 24 (EU)

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 3:58 PM

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can't believe they fucking doing this to my boy anduin i don't want another fuckin lich king

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why can't we ever have nice things

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like do they always fuck over the good people in WoW like the characters who aren't assholes

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like all the dads and all the merciful or empathetic characters always gotta die like why do you do that

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 4:00 PM

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It's called stakes

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 4:01 PM

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you can have stakes without killing off or permanently corrupting or changing characters all of the time

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like we already had stakes they could have just built off those to make them stronger

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if shadowlands wants to be Diet WoTLK than i hope the next expac is about dragons

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i like the dragonflights a lot please do more with them

dense plover Feb 26, 2021, 4:05 PM

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tropic trail you can have stakes without killing off or permanently corrupting or changing ch...

its definitely not permanent

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anduin isnt in control

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 4:07 PM

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i read somewhere that blizzard said anduin is "permanently changed" but perhaps i read wrong

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like maybe permanently changed just means in personality but i don't want that either, i don't want him to become an asshole

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Well if nothing ever actually changes then you lose that element of suspense

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Instead of people thinking "how will the world change after this" it's "how will the heroes make sure everything will stay the same"

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 4:09 PM

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i mean you can do that without having to always resort to characters or at least not anduin of all people

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like if they wanted to use someone why not jaina, who has been in this story longer

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and that we've seen way more of than anduin

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or thrall, or some other character that's been here for a long time

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like i know thematically it would have more impact for sylvanas to corrupt anduin but like the jailer could have been like "yo sylv go corrupt that baine guy to scare anduin into joining willingly" bc its better if its willingly or something

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i just think there's other ways this could have been done than just jumping straight for anduin of all the characters

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Well I mean story is hard

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And if Jailer keeps coming up with reasons to * not * corrupt Anduin it lessens the suspense, like he's just bluffing and stalling for time

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 4:16 PM

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not really imo since this is only the first patch and aleady corrupting a major older character would've given the expac enough suspense and stakes

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and i know story is hard but they're being paid to write one. i'm not like super upset about this i'm just kind of disappointed this route was so direct and that it just had to be one of the characters i really like

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but this change may be fine or even great for some people and that's fine, it's just not what i had been hoping for

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you're never guarenteed to get what you want though so i have to live with it.

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like i wanted a tortollan allied race really badly in BFA and i didnt get one but i got over it

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well maybe not entirely~~ i wanted to be a fucking turtle so badly blizzard and you fucking robbed me i wanted a racial where you roll on your shell like a sled~~

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Well I mean impactful storytelling doesn't come out of only hurting the characters you don't care about

unborn glacier Feb 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Me thinks you have a crush on anduin and are salty that things can happen to him

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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I mean relatable

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 9:16 PM

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unborn glacier Me thinks you have a crush on anduin and are salty that things can happen to him

I mean, Anduin is pretty cute--if I was a gal (or a homo guy), I'd crush on him hard

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 9:18 PM

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I mean some things are just objective

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Anduin is cute, water is wet, heat is hot.

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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rotund prawn Anduin is cute, water is wet, heat is hot.

but water isn't wet

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water makes things wet

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Okay

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Water makes things wet

unborn glacier Feb 26, 2021, 9:29 PM

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urban vault but water isn't wet

Water is wet

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 9:29 PM

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what makes something wet? Being suffused with water

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Water is suffused with water

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Water cannot be suffused by itself--it can be surrounded by itself but never suffused

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No

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Water is 100% water

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I mean of course this is a semantics problem

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 9:31 PM

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According to the UCSB, "Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid, so when we say that something is wet, we mean that the liquid is sticking to the surface of a material." This means that water CANNOT be wet since it doesn't stick to itself in space, but sticks to the material around it.

rotund prawn Feb 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Under that definition yes

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Because water isn't a solid

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But that's just another definition

tropic trail Feb 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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unborn glacier Me thinks you have a crush on anduin and are salty that things can happen to him

you're not wrong

olive wharf Feb 26, 2021, 10:37 PM

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urban vault According to the UCSB, "Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surf...

If you are completely submerged in water you arent wet

urban vault Feb 26, 2021, 10:37 PM

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correct

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therefore, water isn't wet

unborn glacier Feb 26, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Water is wet

uncut vault Feb 26, 2021, 11:12 PM

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water is sticky

unborn glacier Feb 26, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Sticky is solid

olive wharf Feb 26, 2021, 11:32 PM

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water is not wet

glass anchor Feb 26, 2021, 11:41 PM

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But wet is water

unborn glacier Feb 27, 2021, 12:56 AM

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water is wet

tropic trail Feb 27, 2021, 3:11 AM

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water is wet and anduin is hot

unborn glacier Feb 27, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Sylvanas is hotter

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uwu

austere gazelle Feb 27, 2021, 9:35 AM

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But she smells funky and is rotting

obsidian turtle Feb 27, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Don’t you dare trash talk my Queen

worthy kayak Feb 27, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Sylvanas is temporary, Bastion is forever

unborn glacier Feb 27, 2021, 7:28 PM

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worthy kayak Sylvanas is temporary, Bastion is forever

Nah

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uwu

obsidian turtle Feb 27, 2021, 7:51 PM

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victory for sylvanas

dull flame Feb 27, 2021, 7:55 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-bfa-svenkersen-masked-shining-eyes-gif-15128658

Tenor

sonic flame Feb 27, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I would be sad if they get rid of sylvanas forever

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but I guess she must go

urban vault Feb 27, 2021, 11:37 PM

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sonic flame I would be sad if they get rid of sylvanas forever

I would be sad if sylvanas has a "morally gray redemption arc"

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cause seriously?

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burning teldrassil

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?

rotund prawn Feb 27, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Well I mean information can recontextualize

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But she'd need a * very * good fucking reason for the amount of killing she did

unborn glacier Feb 27, 2021, 11:40 PM

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urban vault I would be sad if sylvanas has a "morally gray redemption arc"

Its what she deserves

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rooSipping

urban vault Feb 27, 2021, 11:40 PM

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I guess

rotund prawn Feb 27, 2021, 11:40 PM

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I think it's more likely that she'll be shown as a person with a fairly noble goal who fell into extreme Machievellianism and zealotry

thick saddle Feb 27, 2021, 11:42 PM

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rotund prawn But she'd need a * very * good fucking reason for the amount of killing she did

You mean such as, being manipulated by The Jailer?

rotund prawn Feb 27, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Well I mean how did the Jailer manipulate her? What did she think she was doing?

urban vault Feb 27, 2021, 11:59 PM

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if I had to guess

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she wanted to give everyone free will (by killing them and killing the rulers of the Shadowlands)

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since people are bound to other's will (in her case with Arthas, literally, in the case of others like Anduin and the Alliance? Figuratively)

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Jailer fooled her by wanting freedom, though he just wants to subjugate the realms for himself.

ionic sphinx Feb 28, 2021, 2:24 AM

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sounds like the kind of bullshit blizzard would pull

rotund prawn Feb 28, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I really don't feel like that's big enough for the story

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There has to be some really crazy overarching cosmology plot twist

ionic sphinx Feb 28, 2021, 2:29 AM

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🙃

austere gazelle Feb 28, 2021, 11:38 AM

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I think the Jailer is playing on the " free will " thing, and for him, giving free will after death is making everyone, whatever the soul, food for the devourers. A giant chaos of soul fleeing to survive in the in between before being devoured whole. Same fate for everyone, it's up to you to be strong or not to survive this chaos, but in the end, Death will claim all

sonic flame Feb 28, 2021, 2:58 PM

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thick saddle You mean such as, being manipulated by The Jailer?

this would have been a perfect excuse ( even tho lame )

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but they can't take that path anymore, they said that the jailer and sylvanas only cooperate but are not bound to each other

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the only way i see her not dying is if the jailer defeats us so bad that like

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we have 0 chances of winning and then she betrays him and allows us to defeat him

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the nelf queen will still be angry af at her but no worries

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if they fight she loses and stays quiet, probably

tropic trail Feb 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Maybe her rdmption is just choosing to go down with the ship

sonic flame Feb 28, 2021, 3:01 PM

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i really like how she feels so secure of herself in spite of sylvanas easily defeating everyone else

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sylvanas would defeat her just as easily

rotund prawn Feb 28, 2021, 4:09 PM

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sonic flame but they can't take that path anymore, they said that the jailer and sylvanas on...

I mean the idea that the Jailer is lying to her and tricking her isn't at odds with that idea

sonic flame Feb 28, 2021, 4:12 PM

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but that would make the doubts she's having now basically useless

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cause those are doubts on whatever pact she has done now, not the possible real one that the jailer has in mind

rotund prawn Feb 28, 2021, 4:14 PM

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I mean is that really such a huge problem

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It seems at least like Sylvanas's expectations of the Jailer's actions and the Jailer's actions are at odds

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W/ barely caring about convincing Anduin to the justice of their cause and not saving Denathrius

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So the Jailer at least presented himself at odds with how he actually is

sonic flame Feb 28, 2021, 4:17 PM

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bah, not sure honestly

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but i think her character won't end in 9.1 with the raid

rotund prawn Feb 28, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Or at least if it does it'll be a pretty deep character moment and from then on she's in the background

urban vault Mar 1, 2021, 6:38 AM

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ionic sphinx sounds like the kind of bullshit blizzard would pull

why I said "If I had to guess"

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it's not what I want but god damned if Ion Fetishfoot dosen't pull through and make Sylvanas his babe, I'd be geniunley suprised

austere gazelle Mar 1, 2021, 8:40 AM

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sonic flame but i think her character won't end in 9.1 with the raid

She'll be "Azshara'ed"

tropic trail Mar 1, 2021, 8:40 AM

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Again, she could just choose to go down with the ship

pulsar minnow Mar 1, 2021, 2:53 PM

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If they’re making a climactic fight pulling from every part of her past, I can’t see her surviving the fight. This is probably her last struggle until she’s gone for good.

mossy dome Mar 1, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Does anyone know if the achievement to buy valor gear works account wide

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Keystone master

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Cuz I've just been doing mostly 14s because I dont care about the mount

strange falcon Mar 1, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Yes its account wide

austere gazelle Mar 2, 2021, 8:48 AM

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You are sure? I read on MMO champion discussion that it was not account wide anymore

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( They may be wrong )

strange falcon Mar 2, 2021, 9:02 AM

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im not 100% sure,no,but i also remember not seeing any blizzard post

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saying otherwisse

austere gazelle Mar 2, 2021, 12:57 PM

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patch 9.0.5 next week?

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The build incoming is release candidate

strange falcon Mar 2, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Possible

silent urchin Mar 2, 2021, 1:17 PM

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That's probably what they're aiming for, but it can always take a week or two more if the testing throws up issues

worthy kayak Mar 3, 2021, 4:21 AM

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I would like to test... but PTR is so weird. I mean, in LoL PBE server, you can try all champions, all skins, all set of combinations, etc
in PTR, i can't make a lv60 instant, can't buy gear other than trinkets or the tedious "get honor, buy honor gear also tied to renown that you can't buy"

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feels weird to "test" with so many limitations in a PTR server

uncut vault Mar 3, 2021, 5:06 AM

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Well, in part because a lot of people kinda use it as just a free place to play the content

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but also because its to test characters as they are on live going into whats basically next weeks patch

dense plover Mar 3, 2021, 5:10 AM

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^ exactly both of these

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they want feedback from people who have experienced the existing systems on live

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and they want to make sure it works with existing characters

austere gazelle Mar 3, 2021, 12:56 PM

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Anyway the patch is coming next week or the week after, the renown system is going to an end with only 2 level left next week

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( of course before the next content patch that will add more )

young latch Mar 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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I just hope the story isn't "Tyrande does cool action poses while being condescending and annoying to literally every person in the multiverse" yet again.

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I am proud of anduin for his magical girl goth transformation because fashion in this universe reflects your mental state and it's 100 percent canon at this point.

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Also unrelatedly: it hurt to see them buff night fae priest cdr and then nerf it back.

austere gazelle Mar 4, 2021, 8:20 AM

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remember than they said that memes could influence the story 😂

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They could really make Anduin x Wrathion canon

young latch Mar 4, 2021, 11:58 AM

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If they weren't cowards. 🙍

tropic trail Mar 4, 2021, 3:06 PM

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It's not necessary

sonic obsidian Mar 4, 2021, 7:01 PM

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When is the release for 9.0.5?

silent urchin Mar 4, 2021, 7:03 PM

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No one knows. I'm expecting next week or the week after

dense plover Mar 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Probably the week after. I would expect an announcement the week before

sonic flame Mar 4, 2021, 10:21 PM

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So, I have read this one

https://www.wowhead.com/news=321234/superdata-report-shadowlands-numbers-stabilizing-as-expansion-honeymoon-phase-en

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The other day I got to know that they want to put flying in 9.1, and I thought that maybe they would make shadowlands would stop at 9.2 instead of 9.3? Do you think that's possible?

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Kinda like what happened with draenor, but this time willingly

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I remember they said they would like to release 1 xpac per year

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( The reason I linked this article is because I think it makes even more sense, given that 1 xpac per year would increase the "honeymoon phases " even more

dense plover Mar 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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No chance

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The numbers going down during a slump has happened in EVERY expansion

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They even say that numbers fell to a similar point

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It’s the opposite of doom and gloom - it’s literally business as usual

thick saddle Mar 5, 2021, 12:36 AM

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dense plover Probably the week after. I would expect an announcement the week before

Next week, we reach Renown Rank 40. I doubt they would release the patch the same week. Thus, I agree with your assumption that 9.0.5 will be in 2 weeks (March 16 and 17 for US and EU)

jade basalt Mar 5, 2021, 12:38 AM

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They also gave up on the 1 expansion per year thing

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Since, well, they never managed to do it in the first place.

ivory meadow Mar 5, 2021, 1:23 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=321250/shadowlands-patch-9-0-5-releases-march-9th-na-march-10th-eu

Wowhead

Shadowlands Patch 9.0.5 Releases March 9th (NA) / March 10th (EU)

Blizzard has announced that the Shadowlands Patch 9.0.5 update will be coming on March 9th for NA servers and March 10th for EU Servers!

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pffft

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literally almost an hour later

thick saddle Mar 5, 2021, 1:54 AM

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Huh! Surprised they actually release it on same day as Renown 40.

unborn glacier Mar 5, 2021, 2:04 AM

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I mean, it makes sense.

uncut vault Mar 5, 2021, 2:51 AM

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we're now officially on 9.1 PTR watch

dense plover Mar 5, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Week after next probably

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They did say mid March

nocturne wraith Mar 5, 2021, 6:51 AM

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At all the warriors: I just wanted to ask if you see https://www.wowhead.com/spell=335629/unbreakable-will come in handy again with 2 stacks and a group - wide dmg reduce? Also, does anyone know if this effect will also work for the whole raid?

Wowhead

Unbreakable Will

Shield Wall also grants 50% of its effect to all party members. In the Warrior Spells category. Learn how to use this in our class guide. Always up to date.

austere gazelle Mar 5, 2021, 7:34 AM

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Told you guys :D they saved it for renown 40 week

timber frigate Mar 8, 2021, 5:21 AM

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nocturne wraith At all the warriors: I just wanted to ask if you see https://www.wowhead.com/spe...

I'm counting on this, as well as the 10% overall dmg increase + 10% TC dmg increase on top of that, to make us a more palatable choice for tanking in rated

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I'm doing ok without it and using Leaper to entertain and play meta nobody knows about (early flag caps, etc) but overall we just suck due to an almost total lack of consistent magic dmg reduction. Also; what's the point of Plate if a same ilvl rogue can delete me before I can pop anything? xD

latent willow Mar 8, 2021, 8:39 AM

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im still waiting for pala night fae rework. how can it be so bad

unborn glacier Mar 8, 2021, 4:45 PM

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I'm still waiting for significant BM hunter tuning

cunning fossil Mar 8, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Night Fae doesn't seem to be that bad. I thought Necro was the worst

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Necrolord hunter is just getting the ability buffed by 5 percent right?

pulsar minnow Mar 8, 2021, 5:58 PM

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15%

cunning fossil Mar 8, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Oh hell yeah

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Necrolords rise bitches

upper edge Mar 8, 2021, 6:24 PM

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so how are players going to get the new cosmetic sets? it says renown but what if youre maxed out?

bitter plaza Mar 8, 2021, 6:25 PM

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maybe more renown?

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idk

solar temple Mar 8, 2021, 6:27 PM

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upper edge so how are players going to get the new cosmetic sets? it says renown but what i...

Probably higher renown cap

dense plover Mar 8, 2021, 7:13 PM

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upper edge so how are players going to get the new cosmetic sets? it says renown but what i...

new cosmetic sets?

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you mean the ones from 9.1?

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theyre increasing the renown cap by another 40

upper edge Mar 8, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Well shit

dense plover Mar 8, 2021, 7:20 PM

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i mean - it took less than a patch to get to 40

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so it makes sense to add 40 more

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theyll probably add a story skip where the first chapter of 9.1 will push you to 35 or 40

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like with the HoA in nazjatar

austere gazelle Mar 8, 2021, 7:38 PM

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how many more upgrade to legendary ? :p

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will we reach the 10k soul ashe required for upgrading the last rank ? xD

dense plover Mar 8, 2021, 7:45 PM

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they didnt say anything about more leggo ranks

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probably because they wont allow more ranks until 9.2

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or if they do, itll only be one more rank

austere gazelle Mar 8, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I think they will, or else the leggo will be outleveled by the next raid gear

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And thorgast will be useless

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Well, I hope they smarthandle it

foggy agate Mar 9, 2021, 12:12 AM

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So I heard that there will be less enemies in Torghast, which, on the face of it, means less phantasma and less anima cell drops; is this correct?

dense plover Mar 9, 2021, 12:34 AM

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they're decreasing the density of certain floors/wings

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not all of it

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just stuff like the floors where theres no breaks between enemies

oak niche Mar 9, 2021, 9:02 AM

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Is there any news about scrapping Legendaries to get soul ash back?

strange falcon Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 AM

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not yet

oak niche Mar 9, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Sucks maxed out my pvp legy last week so I won't get my new bis anytime soon

lime jasper Mar 9, 2021, 10:47 AM

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lol

solar temple Mar 9, 2021, 12:38 PM

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lime jasper lol

I'd rather fight a fmage than a pally

thick pawn Mar 9, 2021, 2:40 PM

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^

dull iron Mar 9, 2021, 5:16 PM

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^

grim canyon Mar 9, 2021, 5:51 PM

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A New PTR Build has been released!!!

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37862 -> 37864 in Build number

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100MB download, 200MB reclaim space approx.

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What I saw from wow.tools
(What I wrote is based on my own perspective of looking at the diffset, and shouldn't be taken as fact until wowhead or someone more knowledgable can look through it)

Edits:

LFG Fix confirmed; tested in PTR to now work fine

tropic trail Mar 9, 2021, 8:51 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691067319774085160/818948967891075072/unknown.png

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ExorcistPepe

placid granite Mar 10, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Jesus Christ that thing is horrifying!

bitter plaza Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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what is that thing

solar temple Mar 10, 2021, 12:52 PM

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Is that the new pet?

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Looks dope

urban quiver Mar 10, 2021, 2:49 PM

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undocumented change: Reagent bank no longer holds crafted SL gems. Upon logging on these went into player bags.

vestal wing Mar 10, 2021, 2:57 PM

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good - they arent crafting materials after all

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was always very annoying to grab them back into my bags

vernal brook Mar 10, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Hey guys, was there any big discussion about this new legendary?

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That is BiS now? 😄

vestal wing Mar 10, 2021, 3:36 PM

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no

broken kraken Mar 10, 2021, 4:02 PM

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can someone with an undead toon tell/show me what they did with the capes? Undead cloaks will now be as tattered as the forsaken wearing them. Your character customization settings will now inform the appearance of your cloak for Undead characters. is what the patch notes say but i changed my undead toons appearance a few times and the capes dont appear any different in the slightest

solar temple Mar 10, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Should this be changed to 9.1 spoilers?

uncut vault Mar 10, 2021, 4:54 PM

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broken kraken can someone with an undead toon tell/show me what they did with the capes? Undea...

It was a fix for a bug, basically. Due to the fact that forsaken have had their spine exposed since vanilla, they've had a rip at the top of their cloak to show it clearer. With Shadowlands, they gave us the ability to have no bone showing, but the cloak was still torn. This patch basically made it so that your cloak isnt torn if you're using the new boneless options

bitter plaza Mar 10, 2021, 4:55 PM

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solar temple Should this be changed to 9.1 spoilers?

maybe once the PTR update comes

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but idk

solar temple Mar 10, 2021, 4:56 PM

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bitter plaza maybe once the PTR update comes

Maybe

grim canyon Mar 11, 2021, 3:19 AM

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solar temple Is that the new pet?

Apparently the spell called it Bananas

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It's also up on Retail now too

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Aditionally, looking at the description, it's for an upcoming Charity Event

crimson jasper Mar 11, 2021, 5:14 AM

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@uncut vault oh strange couldn't ping you before, just wanted to say great work with that fkn cursed Anduin lipsynch stuff xD
l say it here too we now need one with the pizza pasta Song! xd

silent urchin Mar 11, 2021, 8:33 AM

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Bananas is a really old/rare TCG pet that is a baby monkey. It's being re-added as part of the upcoming charity event. Daisy the Sloth is a stretch goal in the same charity event, but was very much not blood troll themed in the initial announcement. I don't know if the blood troll version is going to be a special ability or is for a different pet that we don't know about yet.

stiff vector Mar 11, 2021, 8:34 AM

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It's one of the many reskins

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And considering how old the model is it might have just been BfA content at a certain point but then decided for reuse as a charity pet

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But I'm hoping the bloody version becomes available somehow, it's neat

humble escarp Mar 11, 2021, 8:36 PM

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660

bitter plaza Mar 11, 2021, 8:55 PM

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eethonk

vestal wing Mar 11, 2021, 10:11 PM

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1660

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👀

fair crane Mar 12, 2021, 2:26 AM

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emerald dream is the next expansion

pulsar minnow Mar 12, 2021, 2:35 AM

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why do say that

austere gazelle Mar 12, 2021, 9:18 AM

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next expansion will be dragon isles .

One big expansion with high stakes , one minor with " low stakes "

tropic trail Mar 12, 2021, 11:13 PM

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why do people already speak about the next expansion?

rotund prawn Mar 12, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Cause they're impatient lol

true fjord Mar 13, 2021, 12:38 AM

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bruh

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this expansion is still so young

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Unless its a WOD scenario with 3 fucking raids and thats it

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but I doubt it'll get like WODs.... I hope....

dense plover Mar 13, 2021, 12:57 AM

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There is no evidence

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There’s a ton of content in 9.1

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It has a new area

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.1 patches almost never have a new area

strange falcon Mar 13, 2021, 7:40 AM

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Also consider the virus's repercussions on the world as a whole

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Generally blizzard works on 9.1/9.2 before the expac is even out
So the fact they had to delay SL launch means they didnt have time to work on 9.1 pre launch

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Resulting in a delayed launch

stiff vector Mar 13, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Art team arguably had more time than usual to work on it

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So that part should be good at least

austere gazelle Mar 13, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Unpopular Theory, guldan's ritual was hijacked to break the arbiter when the portal collapsed

strange falcon Mar 13, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Too far back

austere gazelle Mar 13, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I meant the ritual atop of the Nighthold in the Nightspire to infuse Illidan's body with Sargeras' soul

strange falcon Mar 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Unlikely tbh

unborn glacier Mar 13, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Hot take: I don't think it was anything that happened in Legion. I think Sire Denathrius attacked the Arbitor sometime during Legion.

bitter plaza Mar 13, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Or the jailer just seduced her, went on a few dates and then just broke up with her when he saw Sylvanas

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And now the arbiter is heartbroken and depressed

worthy kayak Mar 13, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Little hint says "the arbiter expriences the life of all the souls to determine where to send it"

Imagine experiencing the life of an eternal, titan soul, suffering for eons as a battery, to finally rest in... murdered by players. If any soul is strong enough to neutralize her as much is def the corrupted soul of a titan

uncut vault Mar 13, 2021, 8:39 PM

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we'd need an explanation for why a titan souls went there in that case, and why the jailer would bet on such a miniscule chance there to enact his plans

dense plover Mar 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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^

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Titan souls don’t go to the shadowlands

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 12:10 AM

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But they can , as the dev stated with enough forces and rituals you can divert it

unborn glacier Mar 14, 2021, 1:05 AM

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What dev?

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Citation

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Steve Denuser said that titan souls do not go to the Shadowlands

terse patrol Mar 14, 2021, 3:43 AM

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I mean, I’d take what they say in interviews with a grain of salt.

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It could very well be revealed that the whole idea of using Argus as a conduit to rapidly revive the Legion’s armies was the Dreadlords, who serve Denathrius.

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And it’s also possible Argus was infused with anima/death energy to accomplish this, which had the intended effect of sending Argus’ soul to the Shadowlands.

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Where it could be harvested by the Jailer, and also break the machine of Death.

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Dreadlords corrupt Sargeras > Get him to start wrecking his way across the universe > Lead Sargeras to Argus, which he corrupts its inhabitants in order to enslave its world soul > Prep said world soul to be the means of the Jailer’s escape.

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That seems like something long-term Dreadlords would do.

rotund prawn Mar 14, 2021, 4:48 AM

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That seems really insane

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Like something that'd revolutionize the lore

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Sargeras is one of the prime movers

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But I mean you have to have some lore reveals happen

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But I mean damn the Jailer is doing some long term planning here

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 10:40 AM

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terse patrol That seems like something long-term Dreadlords would do.

I agree. I'm trying to find the quote but I'd like to point that yes, the souls goes naturally to the plane they are belonging to. But, since Naaru, for example, and void, for example, can invade the shadowlands, it's also logical that someone with enough power and magic can redirect the soul of something that does not belong to the SL in the shadowlands. There are no magical barrier that prevent this. Only Kyrian who follow the " Path ".
Another example is that mortal souls can go to the Light, or be sucked by the void, despite belonging to the shadowlands. The opposite should work, too

dense plover Mar 14, 2021, 4:15 PM

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the naaru and void arent souls tho

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theyre the actual beings

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being sent there

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a soul and a living being arent the same

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 4:17 PM

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What I meant is that if any beings not belonging to the SL can go into the SL, so can their souls if those are brought back into the SL

uncut vault Mar 14, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Well, yes, if brought in unnaturally, but the proposed idea is that Argus came in by the normal means, even if tampered with

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which calls into question what kyrian would do that

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theyve got a blind path but they arent stupid, theyve got a whole training to beat morality out of you and train you to not bring in entities that arent mortals or from other cosmic forces

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Anyway I still think something happened during guldan ritual in nighthold. The portal did not close like a normal portal

rotund prawn Mar 14, 2021, 4:26 PM

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uncut vault theyve got a blind path but they arent stupid, theyve got a whole training to be...

Possible Forsworn, they are allied with the Jailer after all

uncut vault Mar 14, 2021, 4:27 PM

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The forsworn as a force doesnt seem to have come into form until after the drought started, its a big motivation for Lysonia who was the first to truly join Devos

dense plover Mar 14, 2021, 4:27 PM

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austere gazelle Anyway I still think something happened during guldan ritual in nighthold. The p...

it wasnt a normal portal being opened though

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like - it was literally a universe spanning portal meant to bring through a titan

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Well , one can argue that the sargerite portal keystone was the same and it didnt collapsed like the one in nighthold

uncut vault Mar 14, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Well yeah, thats because it was opened by the stone haha

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it closed in a similar way, just not as abruptly

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austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 4:35 PM

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It also sent a blast to Illidan at the same time, so I dunno

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Add to this that an NPC said that guldan ritual maybe disturbed forces unseen and that the consequences could be dire

uncut vault Mar 14, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Im sure it has some connection to the plot, if only due to gul'dans staff head, but at this point blizz would have revealed it, because theres no real reason to hold that back if its something from two expansions ago

austere gazelle Mar 14, 2021, 4:40 PM

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"This is worrisome. Gul'dan's defeat may have disrupted forces far more fundamental than anyone realized.", the quest-texts from arcanomancer hold some more interesting lines

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That was the quote

rotund prawn Mar 14, 2021, 4:51 PM

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uncut vault The forsworn as a force doesnt seem to have come into form until after the droug...

If Devos allied with the Jailer pre-drought it could've been Devos

fair crane Mar 15, 2021, 12:08 AM

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winter queen is the next raid boss !!

pulsar minnow Mar 15, 2021, 1:19 AM

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fair crane winter queen is the next raid boss !!

Don’t give them ideas

worthy kayak Mar 15, 2021, 3:39 AM

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shouldnt this be changed to 9.1 spoilers?

worthy kayak Mar 15, 2021, 3:40 AM

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pulsar minnow Don’t give them ideas

dense plover Mar 15, 2021, 5:24 AM

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9.1 ptr isnt out yet

lime jasper Mar 15, 2021, 10:10 PM

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dense plover 9.1 ptr isnt out yet

9-1-rumors

dense plover Mar 15, 2021, 10:24 PM

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thats also not a thing

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theres been no builds

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how could there be rumors

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thats not rumors thats literally random guesses

plucky briar Mar 15, 2021, 11:51 PM

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dense plover 9.1 ptr isnt out yet

Soon I hope, I need that D:

mossy meteor Mar 16, 2021, 12:14 AM

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i expect them to have internal builds ~this week

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maybe next at the latest

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well, internal builds that we're aware of

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 12:21 AM

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it probably wont go to wowtest like with 9.0.5

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maybe the week before?

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9.0.5 went to wowtest early

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 7:45 AM

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If what we see at blizzconline is an indication, we re not going to see a ptr next week or the week after

1- no preview of the raid, just two sketch
2- they have no idea of the mythic + affix
3- we have barely a general idea of the new feature of this expack

Unless they hide things on purpose because they were not ready, its still concerning to have the feeling they are very very late in their development cycle. Which means a PTR may not be expected soon.
If there is one, it'll maybe be amputated of the main feature and will be dragged for several months.

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I expect a ptr mid april and a 9.1 in june personnaly

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 11:23 AM

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PTR for 9.1 can still be done in late March, with it going live in late May.

sullen dawn Mar 16, 2021, 12:16 PM

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i think ptr in next week or so

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launch in june

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prolly first half of june

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10 weeks on ptr

mystic heart Mar 16, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Looks like
And raid will after 4 weeks

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Still sucks we didn’t see a tease for 9.2 like we did last time for 8.2

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 1:26 PM

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yeah, they did this and a teast for 8.3 with the nzoth fish

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nothing of that sort here.. shame

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Which makes me think they’re way behind schedule.

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Which is worrisome, because knowing game design, they may be forced to start shifting resources to next expansion.

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Which means we may get another series of lackluster patches like BFA.

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CoughsReturnoftheKingRipoffBFAEndingCoughs

sullen dawn Mar 16, 2021, 2:08 PM

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i think 9.2 will be big

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but 9.3 might be 8.3 levels instead of 7.3 levels

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my guess is

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9.1 - maw patch

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9.1.5 - light/void lore mini patch

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9.2 more shadowlands realms. i tink theyll give a large amount, like 4, but theyll be smaller. maybe Thros, an ancestor/orc/tauren/shadowmoon realm etc..

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then 9.3 will reuse old zones, maybe on azeroth

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10.0 light expansion boom

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Light expansion is unlikely ftm, I think we'll deal with the aftermarth of what the jailer did on Azeroth , cause he'll manage to deal something anyway, and it'll probably head us to dragon Isle

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Once we will finish whatever happened on Dragon Isle, Azeroth future will be changed, and the whole cosmos will be opened to us

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cause let's face it, there are less and less thing to discovers on Azeroth. outside dragon isle, titans facilities, and veiled / forbidding sea territories, all we know so far is not worth an expansion yet

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( well they could still pull a Tel Abim continent sized content though )

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I mean, the Dragon Isle could be part of a new World Revamp expansion.

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I don’t think we’re getting an outright light vs void expansion, but I think we’ll probably get an expansion with lots of build up.

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Tyranny of King Turalyon, the rise of the Scarlet Prince, etc.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:11 PM

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theyre not doing another world revamp

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they have literally said theyre sticking to the "occasional refurbished zone when doing an expac" model

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:12 PM

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When I say “world revamp”

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:12 PM

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in addition, i dont think we will be returning to azeroth before 10.0 except for maybe heritage armor stuff

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:12 PM

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I mainly mean, what if the new expansion is set in Lordaeron/Quel’thalas?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:13 PM

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why would it be set there?

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why not a new place?

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:13 PM

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BFA has new places.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:13 PM

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also how the fuck do you go from "literally a different dimension" to "blood elf island"

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that feels like an impossible step down

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:13 PM

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How did we go from Outland to Northrend?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:13 PM

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lich king

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a literal tie in to warcraft 3

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one of blizzards most popular games ever

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Calia Menethil, Alleria’s promise to retake Quel’thalas for the Alliance, whatever Turalyon is up to, Lothraxion being revealed as a possible Denathrius agent.

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Idk, plenty of stuff.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:15 PM

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theyre not doing another horde v alliance expac this soon

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we literally JUST had BfA

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Also, the build up with this Scarlet Prince situation.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Calia is about establishing an identity for the forsaken

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because there isnt one

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scarlet prince?

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Yes. The heir to Lordaeron the Scarlets claim to have.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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theres been no development on that in a LONG time

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there is no build up going on

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lordaeron is literally abandoned right now

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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But that development only happened in the Shadowlands prepatch I thought

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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what development

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plz

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show me

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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AKA the reveal.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:16 PM

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WHAT REVEAL

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you mean the stuff from the book about the scarlett brotherhood?

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theres nothing about a scarlet prince

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idk where you got that

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i literally cant find anything of the sort

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this is the closest i can find to what you are talking about

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:20 PM

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“Knowing that our dear Princess Calia was ASSASSINATED by Traitor Wrynn and raised as undead is a pang in our hearts, brothers and sisters.

But do not lose hope! King Terenas' dynasty will yet live on!

It was a well-guarded secret that during the late days of her father's reign, Princess Calia wed a nobleman of the ARATHI bloodline.

The prideful Arthas demanded that this truth remain hidden until he himself had wed and sired an heir. Of course, that never came to be.

But... a child WAS indeed born!

Princess Calia gave birth to a son. Yes, an HEIR to the Menethil throne!

Sadly, the princess was separated from her husband and child during a Scourge attack. Her family was presumed dead.

But let joy fill your hearts, friends... for the child was SAVED!

The young prince was rescued by a good-hearted citizen of Lordaeron. He has been kept sheltered and safe all these years by members of the Scarlet Brotherhood. We have him in a SECURE location that must, for obvious reasons, remain secret.

We had intended to reunite the young heir with his mother. Sadly, the Traitor King of the Alliance had Princess Calia murdered by his Banshee lover. The abomination that now walks this land is NOT Princess Calia!

Retribution will fall upon these monsters! Lordaeron is for the LIVING!

Let hope rise in your hearts, brothers and sisters. Once we have purged the undead FILTH and the CURSED worgen from our homeland, the young king will be revealed!

The Traitor Wrynn will be exposed and our TRUE king will take the throne. The Menethil dynasty WILL be restored!”

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https://www.wowhead.com/item=166893/the-last-menethil

Wowhead

The Last Menethil

It is looted from The Last Menethil. In the Other Items category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. Always up to date with the latest patch.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:21 PM

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so

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:21 PM

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The Scarlet Brotherhood is grooming a fake heir.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:22 PM

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its the nonsense stuff that mathias talked about

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b/c its nonsense

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theyre an insignificant faction

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theyre not going to be relevant for a while

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:22 PM

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It’s nonsense until it’s not. shrug

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:22 PM

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thats the kind of thing that might show up in 2 expacs

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not 1

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mathias literally said the scarlet crusade was wiped out

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Depends on if Blizzard goes back on the Shadowlands timey whimey aspects.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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WE LITERALLY HAVE A CANON PORTAL TO AZEROTH

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we know time doesnt pass weirdly

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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For now.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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we can go back and check

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speculating based on theoretical changes is fucking stupid

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Who’s to say something doesn’t happen in 8.2 or 8.3?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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you can add "for now" after literally anything

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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You’re being kind of a cunt when we’re just speculating.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:23 PM

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it defeats the point of speculation because it makes literally anything possible

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The horde has a council....for now

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Turalyon sits on anduin's throne....for now

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Anduin isnt in control of himself....for now

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its fucking dumb

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:24 PM

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I wish I’d kept a list of all the definitive statements you’ve made over the years.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:25 PM

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speculating is fine, but saying "they could do this if they do that which could lead to this third thing" is a long line to tow

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i honestly cant see where we are going after shadowlands. Im still surprised we didnt see 8.3 dragon isles

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because i saw it going there with the nzoth stuff

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:25 PM

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HotaruLOL

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:26 PM

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i can be wrong

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never said i couldnt

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Then don’t be a definitive dick about everything.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:26 PM

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do you know what date that was?

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b/c i know i changed my opinion on vulpera after bfa released

hearty veldt Mar 16, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Hi someone know when the 9.1 goes in PTR?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:28 PM

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no

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:28 PM

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12/2/2017

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:29 PM

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yeah - that was before they added the custom animations in march 2018

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in fact, if i remember correctly - i explictly called out that they were missing a bunch of animations which is why they wouldnt be allied races - and that armor didnt work right

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2 things that were fixed in march 2018

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Yes, but even then, there was an obscene amount of work put into them that they didn’t do for any other NPC race.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:30 PM

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not in 2017

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they had a similar amount of work to the tortollan

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by june 2018, i had already switched to agree that vulpera would be an allied race

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BfA came out in august 2018

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before that even

rotund prawn Mar 16, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Tortollans were neutral tho

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:32 PM

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dude - people used to think vulpera would go alliance back then

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Just to chime in her regarding the future of WoW (post Shadowlands):

"Time doesn't necessarily flow the same in the Shadowlands, as it does in Azeroth"

This was mentioned by one of the devs (I forget who), and as such the main speculation here is that whatever expansion comes after Shadowlands, has us returning to Azeroth after considerable time has passed. While we only spend about 2 years in the Shadowlands, a lot longer time may have passed on Azeroth. Ergo... Cataclysm 2.0 World Revamp.

While they may have said no such world revamp is currently planned, doesn't mean such a revamp couldn't occur eventually. Plans have a tendency of changing.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:32 PM

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except theres a canon portal to azeroth

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they specifically have said that statement was wrong

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that it APPEARS to pass differently for individuals

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not that it actually does

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I don’t make 100% baseless speculations. I’ve been wrong before, 100%, but I base everything on existing information and not wishful thinking.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:33 PM

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im not saying your speculation is baseless

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it just relies on a lot of changes

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oh

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hey

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i should show you guys a thing

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hold on 2 min

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:33 PM

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My only thought on the matter is, sure, right now it may not pass differently. But in future patches, it could very well result in the Jailer fucking us over in some way.

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Or even Denathrius.

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:33 PM

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dense plover in addition, i dont think we will be returning to azeroth before 10.0 except for...

Mmm I think 9.3 might be related to Jailer X Azeroth and we'll have to deal with it on Azeroth somehow ( maybe this sepulcher thing is on azeroth ), after all, there is this giant gap in the sky with thorgast threatening azeroth

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:33 PM

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dense plover except theres a canon portal to azeroth

We'll see. The portal that allows us to travel back to Azeroth may allow us to "currently" get back to the same Azeroth where no time has passed... Doesn't mean something couldn't happen later in the expansion that has us returning a lot later.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:34 PM

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https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1369037901271547905

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Anduin Sword on left? And another thing that looks a bit like glaive or not?

Likes

174

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this is from a bit ago

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but i think we are going to forge a 2nd shadowmourne

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this entire expansion is sort of a love letter to wrath

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like legion was to TBC

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i think we are going to forge a new shadowmourne type weapon

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possibly for thrall

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:35 PM

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I’m not ruling out Denathrius causing us some grief while getting revenge on the Jailer for throwing us aside.

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Or for Garrosh. @dense plover

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:35 PM

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austere gazelle Mmm I think 9.3 might be related to Jailer X Azeroth and we'll have to deal with...

the sepulcher is in maldraxxus - theres literally quests there

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Thrall won't be wielding a sword. He's more of an axe or mace kinda guy.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:35 PM

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thick saddle Thrall won't be wielding a sword. He's more of an axe or mace kinda guy.

the 2nd image is an axe

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the first is anduin's sword blade

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Thrall got a new statue with him in the Doomplate wielding both his new axe and the Doomhammer.

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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dense plover the sepulcher is in maldraxxus - theres literally quests there

it's possible it is there. But we entered it and there was nothing, plus, broker stole whatever they wanted in it. Unless there is a giant complex underneath, its maybe not the same thing, time will tell

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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there wasnt nothing

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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So I don’t see him taking up a Mourneblade.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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theres literally an endless variety of tomes

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:36 PM

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terse patrol So I don’t see him taking up a Mourneblade.

it could be garrosh as you said

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:37 PM

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So, I think Garrosh will be redeemed post death.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:37 PM

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im just saying - they also made an axe model and if this expac is anything like wrath, we already have frostmourne 2.0

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why not shadowmourne 2.0

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Garrosh taking up Shadowmourne 2 would halfway be a callback to Dranosh.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:38 PM

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or maybe we find saurfang in the maw

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and he takes it up

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like his son did

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:38 PM

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yeah was thinking about Saurfang

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Maybe we will see him with Nerzhul in the raid

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in the chamber were the jailer keep the soul that earned his ire

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:38 PM

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So ye, it’s either Garrosh or Saurfang. Thrall I think is going to return to Azeroth and wear the Doomplate again.

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Which, tbh, about fucking time

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Tired of hobo Thrall.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:39 PM

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im ok with him leading the orcs

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i just dont want him to lead the horde

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i want the council to stay

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Dual wielding his dad’s axe and the Doomhammer makes sense.

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:40 PM

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The council will stay, it's a great opportunity to make other leaders shine

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:40 PM

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The Orcs are leaderless atm

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:40 PM

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yes

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Doesnt Thrall represent the orc in the council?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:40 PM

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thats why i think your thrall stuff is right

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no

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it was saurfang

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and then no one

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thrall said he didnt want to be on the council

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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oh ok, I thought so when reading Shadow Rises

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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terse patrol Dual wielding his dad’s axe and the Doomhammer makes sense.

Don't think Thrall will ever wield the Doomhammer again. Canonically speaking, the Doomhammer is in the hands of "random Player Shaman", in large part because Doomhammer stopped working for Thrall (due to his actions in fighting Garrosh in Nagrand)

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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but sylvanas probably knew he would step up so she kidnapped him

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Thrall wielding the Doomhammer and Durotan’s axe is a symbolic merging of the Horde and the old ways of the Frostwolf.

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https://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_3910000/altimages/ff_3910874-7897b03f180fd4610ce8alt1_full.jpg&w=900

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Imagine we will meet Orgrim and give him the doom hammer , and give back Ashbringer to Mograin 😏

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Why would they make this then?

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@thick saddle

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Blizzard doesn’t just make random merch.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:42 PM

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thats not durotans axe

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:42 PM

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It's not a random merch, it is an hommage to Thrall

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:42 PM

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is it?

austere gazelle Mar 16, 2021, 4:42 PM

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But, I agree that " the making of Thrall " or whatever during the blizzconline, plus this, is foreshadowing

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Doomhammer is his old weapon. The axe is from his time spent in Nagrand (when Saurfang recruits him).

The above statue could be a Doomhammer-recreation, not Doomhammer itself.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:43 PM

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i believe it is THE doomhammer

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because we retire it after legion

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Doomhammer could be repaired, nothing says it’s impossible.

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And my mistake

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The axe is Dra’gora.

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Though, it may itself be a reference to the Axe of Durotan from the canceled point and click adventure game.

thick saddle Mar 16, 2021, 4:44 PM

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dense plover because we retire it after legion

More accurately, the power of Doomhammer (and all other Artifact weapons) were drained to stop Sargeras's sword...

But the fate of Doomhammer itself remains... unknown. Unless it's written in a novel outside the game somewhere?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:44 PM

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unknown

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not in the player's hands tho

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not canonically at least

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also Dra’gora looks a lot like that weapon cast

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like - a lot

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:49 PM

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It’s not definitive.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:50 PM

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its definitely NOT the same

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but its similar

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Ye, though the same can be said for Shala’mayne.

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Similar, not the same.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:50 PM

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exactly my thought process

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:50 PM

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My guess is, Shala’mayne is still locked up somewhere.

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The real one.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:51 PM

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i dont think so

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i think they took shalamayne and corrupted it

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and used that to corrupt anduin

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Eh. Why have a mold then?

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I think they forged a new blade in Shala’mayne’s likeness.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:51 PM

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you could be right

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its hard to say

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i think we will see more about it in 9.1

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its not going to go unanswered

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:52 PM

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I wonder if we’ll save him in 9.1 or if he’ll remain controlled until 9.2

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:52 PM

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give me a min

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im gonna watch the cinematic again from 9.1

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:52 PM

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They say he’ll be “forever changed”, though I hope that doesn’t mean Edgeduin.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:53 PM

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err

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not 9.1

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uh

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when did they show the blade forging?

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:53 PM

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The last 9.0 cinematic

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:53 PM

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found it

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mourneblade born

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https://youtu.be/MPOvUQIbP9s

YouTube

Wowhead

Sylvanas' Choice Cinematic - Shadowlands

#Shadowlands #Anduin #Sylvanas #Cinematic

▶ Play video

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Ye, if it was corruption, they wouldn’t be shown forging it I think.

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After all, Ashbringer didn’t need to be reforged to be corrupted or purified.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:54 PM

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yeah

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:55 PM

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And it was corrupted, technically, by maw magic.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:55 PM

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its hard to say tho

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this is the first real runeblade we have seen forged

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and we only see part of it

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shadowmourne was an attempt

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and it was essentially a cheap knockoff

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i imagine our story with the runecarver will involve how runeblades are forged

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

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I suspect to free Anduin, we’ll need to destroy the blade. And we’ll get an almost direct reference to the Fall of the Lich King cinematic, showing the shards of evil Shala’mayne.

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

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1000%

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

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JAINA, IS IT OVER?

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

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im still trying to figure out what the wrathgate equivalent will be

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:56 PM

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lol

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 4:57 PM

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maybe something in 9.1 tied to the raid story?

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Probably.

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I’m still wondering how Arthas is going to come into all of this.

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I’m still counting on maybe not a redemption plot, but an attempt at making amends.

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Like, the fact they bothered to mention “maybe Arthas wasn’t in full control” after Anduin killed whats her face.

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Er

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Maybe not killed, but stabbed and stole the key.

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Could Arthas potentially help free Anduin?

tropic trail Mar 16, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Kyrestia, the Archon

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if that's how you spell her name idk

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 5:02 PM

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I’m half expecting something shocking in the vein of

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Sylvanas freeing Arthas from the Jailer herself.

uncut vault Mar 16, 2021, 5:05 PM

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chances are arthas is in kingsmourne tbh, they confirmed that the crystal the Jailer used was not just a generic magic maw crystal

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and that Sylvanas did not know what it was

dense plover Mar 16, 2021, 5:07 PM

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that would - make a lot of sense

pulsar minnow Mar 16, 2021, 5:12 PM

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terse patrol I’m still wondering how Arthas is going to come into all of this.

Seeing as how we got some hints towards Ner'zhul's return, I'd love to see a team up of all 3 (or maybe 4) Lich Kings taking up arms against the Jailer in a final confrontation alongside the covenants.

terse patrol Mar 16, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I suspect we’re going to see Sylvanas free Denathrius, since the Jailer just used him to get what he wanted.

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Though, who’s to say Denathrius didn’t know he was being used beforehand and is still working things according to some unknown plan?

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@dense plover