lol they made the darn guards level 60
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ionic terrace
prob
terse patrol
nah
ionic terrace
it's a side effect of party sync
terse patrol
I’m pretty sure it’s prep for world scaling with the squish.
dense plover
cant seem to find anything new
tropic trail
where is the dorito? anyone found it ? :v
terse patrol
reskinned ashran rocks
ionic terrace
wonder if they put this in yet
nope
assuming Aysa does get something else to say
tropic trail
Ashran Dorito allied race
uncut vault
its always important to remember the past and the bonds we've made. except for those elves who joined the alliance like 30 years ago, they dont count
tropic trail
lol
tropic trail
High Elves deserve the bootarang
Anyways
Looking forward to 8.2.5 setting up Sylvanas's 8.3 patch
Space Goats > Some Warhammer ripoff
tropic trail
I think I know now why we arent getting any PTR infos about war campaign and all
I think they want to release first the CGI Cinematic (with Sylvanas) during Gamescom
even if they arent there this year
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568131990931505162/611895435799560198/IMG_20190814_194723.jpg
they made this banner for gamescom
upper remnant
Oh that explains it
terse patrol
They just aren’t doing a presentation.
upper remnant
So they really could do an online thing at the same time then !
I am curious to see what they will show us
tropic trail
well.. since that tweet from the chinese VA of Sylvanas, I say something Sylvanas does in a Cinematic? Maybe killing off Saurfang?
or she stays in front of Stormwind blighting it? 
upper remnant
it could very well be smth like it since Sylvanas already has a CGI model ready
tropic trail
yes, and the chinese VA said she was dubbing a CG cinematic in july
upper remnant
Maybe we will know the "twist"
tropic trail
most likely for Sylvanas
upper remnant
Yeah I saw that
terse patrol
So, next week is when we’ll find out if there is something.
In time for a PTR update.
tropic trail
yea
terse patrol
Hate having to wait but whatever I guess.
tropic trail
but Im not sure if they would release the cinematic (if there will be one) during the "press" only day or maybe for the weekend
terse patrol
inb4 Sylvanas redemption, “I’ve been selfless this whole time!!!”
upper remnant
yeah since they aren't there they could release it a bit after/before too
tropic trail
Im sure its not a redemtion cinematic. The Chinese VA is a Sylvanas fangirl and she was "conflicted" with her feelings and even damned the writers
so im counting on some stupid "cartoon villain with a mustach" thing
terse patrol
If they do release something, I think it means it’s more likely they announce 8.3 soon.
upper remnant
maybe tease it with this cinematic and 8.2.5 too
terse patrol
I suspect the cinematic will be Thrall and Saurfang confronting Sylvanas.
tropic trail
also when I stalked the chinese Sylvanas VA on that chinese "twitter" it was interesting how much more beloved Sylvanas is there and also the Voice actress gets much more attention then the original Sylvanas VA (Patty MAttson)
and Patty did much more different VO then that Chinese girl
terse patrol
Sylvanas has a large fan base in Asia. Makes sense, though.
dull flame
asians have fetish for undead girls
EU loves thrall
its deffo gonna be thrall and saurfang confronting sylvanas
mark my words
story is as predictable as previous expansions
tropic trail
makes sense, because all 3 have a CGI Model
terse patrol
She’ll have zappyboi prisoner
tropic trail
that could also be a thing
terse patrol
Saurfang dies saving him
tropic trail
yea thats what I think too
terse patrol
So he doesnt suffer the same fate as his son
tropic trail
and then... Sylvanas is rezzing him as an Death Knight
Saurfang
same fate as his son
languid yoke
Saurfang DK boss fight in 8.3 raid and he has exactly the same abilities as his son + op cleave
cleave that deals more damage the more people it hits, but the damage is split up between all targets hit, and if it it hits only target it'll kill them
storm marsh
I want that cinematic to be horde rebellion guys confronting Sylvie and in the cinematic it shows a fight between saurfang and sylvie where she kills him
That would be amazing
limber mural
and then she loses her death powers because she cheated oh wait
storm marsh
Hahah
tropic trail
"omg an elf women killed our orc in a 1vs1"
terse patrol
She’ll probably win by cheating, as per usual Sylvanas style.
storm marsh
3 epic cinematic ideas: 1. saurfang confronting sylvanas and she kills him, 2. Saurfang gets captured by dark rangers and she kills him in front of the rebellion guys aka full cersei-missandei mode, 3. Sylvanas attacking stormwind
Pls blizzard
uncut vault
She doesn’t need to cheat to win lol
terse patrol
the Alliance getting anything but a cameo
uncut vault
She’s an immaterial banshee archer
terse patrol
You’re hopeful.
uncut vault
What the fuck is an orc with an axe going to do
storm marsh
Sylvanas attacking stormwind and nathanos tells sylvanas as they gaze into the gates "my queen, we have them cornered"
languid yoke
and then boom fog lifts and there's [insert flying ship here] coming for the rescue
"we found fuel for the vindicaar a year ago and decided that maybe we could use it for once"
unborn glacier
Lol
I'm certainty not hopeful that this cinematic will redeem blizzards garbage writing of Sylvanas
deft umbra
Hey wowhead, have you read this tweet: https://twitter.com/Diablohu/status/1161925486752088064
terse patrol
Yes.
deft umbra
What are your thoughts? 😮
languid yoke
that china is more necrophile than america
unborn glacier
Lmao
Doubtful.
I know a lot more people loyal to Sylvanas than against her
From horde to alliance tbh
smoky mural
can't be necrophile if there aren't any bones @languid yoke
calm plank
🅱oneless undead
dense plover
I mean, we know there is a cinematic in 8.2.5 that isn’t news
And ofc it has sylvanas
They’ve been holding her story hostage
tropic trail
but the chinese VA isnt just talking about a normal cinematic. Shes talking about CG. a Cinematic in Lost Honor style
So it could be the opener for the 8.2.5 war campaign story maybe?
terse patrol
@calm plank Y’all got bones in ya shit then?
uncut vault
you say that but, remember when 8.1 was gearing up to be about tyrande and jaina in the respective parts
and then we got another saurfang one?
upper remnant
Clearly, Saurfang is going to be there too, how could we have a cinematic without him 😢
tropic trail
^
smoky mural
this is the same blizz that gave us sadfang 3 times in row
upper remnant
He is even in the opening cinematic while other racial leaders are still waiting for appearing in one
RiP gnomes
terse patrol
I still think it’ll be Saurfang and Thrall confronting Sylvanas. Sylvanas baits Saurfang with Zappyboi, kills Saurfang.
AKA, more Horde-centric shit.
tropic trail
^ sounds realistic
and I hope thats what it is
but I also could see Sylvanas sitting somewhere with the Blade in her hands, and the Blade is whispering to her
something dumb like that
smoky mural
the old gods are going to kill suarfang
sylv just gonna banish him
ionic terrace
Sadfang 
zealous basalt
very sad
smoky mural
sadfang the senile
unborn glacier
Can he just die already? I've had enough of his vain personal honor
uncut vault
get ready for there to be a parallel to the first cinematic
terse patrol
“Teldrassil burning was so sad. I wonder how Saurfang felt about it?”
uncut vault
with zekhan holding him like he held his son
and taking the necklace off his corpse and wearing it from now on
smoky mural
oh no a meme is sad
uncut vault
and we're supposed to like, care about zekhans feelings after knowing him for a full five minutes
tropic trail
i dont want Saurfang to die but i dont think he will get past 9.0 lol
yea Im sure Zekhan will get the necklace
thats a 99% giving
zealous basalt
Porter imagine that after that
someone comes from the shadows and kills zappy boy along
terse patrol
@uncut vault ya def. How we saw him so much in game to get attached. The whole 5 minutes.
zealous basalt
And if you are loyalist you are the one that kills him
terse patrol
Wouldn’t happen. @zealous basalt
tropic trail
i think Zappy Boi is the next Saurfang :v
oh boy I would love it , if I could kill him
but not gonna happen
terse patrol
I hope Blizzard balances this shit out and does CGI’s for the Alliance next expac.
Oh wait
terse patrol
Who am I kidding, they’ll probably stop making CGI’s outside of announcements.
tropic trail
yikes
smoky mural
just give him a month and he die thats how long memes last @tropic trail
tropic trail
Maybe we will see Jaina in the next cinematic too
smoky mural
no model
tropic trail
because Im sure she will be in a CGI CInematic soon or later
the model is already a figuere
they created Jainas model already when they made that 350$ figuere
Im sure
unborn glacier
I'd love to kill Saurfang myself uwu
night swift
Fucking rip heritage armors in 8.2.5 I guess
unborn glacier
Could have done it in Darkshore
ionic terrace
Wtf
ionic terrace
Are u srs blizz
terse patrol
@uncut vault That can be interpreted as “no new announced ones.”
tropic trail
Sylvanas couldve died on Lordaeron scenario :v
terse patrol
Idk.
smoky mural
terse patrol
That seems doubtful. Especially with the new Graveyard line from the last datamine.
smoky mural
tell me lies tell me sweet little lie
tropic trail
maybe they are trolling us
ionic terrace
Prob just a new graveyard in starter zone
uncut vault
it is, gilneas2 is the starter zone area
terse patrol
Could Blizzard be stupid enough not to add heritage armor for the new models this patch?
uncut vault
There's Gilneas, which is the Gilneas City map, Gilneas2, which is the whole starter zone, GilneasPhase1 and GilneasPhase2, which are the duskhaven phases, and then the Ruins of Gilneas map is just bound to the EasternKingdoms files.
unborn glacier
@tropic trail Nah. She was never I'm danger. Without Jainas her deus ex Machina, the war would have ended before it began, with the deaths of the main alliance leaders
smoky mural
ＹＥＳ @terse patrol
tropic trail
^
terse patrol
@uncut vault I mean, they might be using that map for it.
unborn glacier
@terse patrol The same Blizzard being stupid with a fan favorite character like Sylvanas? Oh yeah, absolutely could see it.
uncut vault
they are 100% not using the starting zone for a max level questline
zealous basalt
Ah
tropic trail
zealous basalt
Yeah me too
tropic trail
and im still wondering when Draenei & Trolls are getting heritage they should just give Worgen, Goblin, Draenei & Trolls heritage armor on 8.3
zealous basalt
Time to riot?
upper remnant
🔥
zealous basalt
So what is in the patch then?
smoky mural
ᴀɴᴀʀᴄʜʏ
night swift
Didnt they take out the Calia model?
night swift
Oh gotcha
zealous basalt
Welp, I suppose something came up with the models
zealous basalt
Shrug
smoky mural
us thinking they hid stuff in the database when there is nothing LUL
zealous basalt
Yeah but who are the idiots now
misty blaze
i wanna see a questline where we have to find a cure to help revert sylvanas back to a highe lf once more
storm marsh
What did i miss except no heritage questline in 8.2.5?
misty blaze
i dont wanna see her perma killed
the alliance getting calia as a undead lightbound leader its a matter of time til we see allied race of undead on alliance
storm marsh
Sylvanas back to high elf? That would be mega dissapointing
misty blaze
oh yeah nevermind i can just see her like that in classic
restive pasture
I wonder if humans, orcs, night elves and forsaken are going to get proper heritage armor at some point.
misty blaze
i want that outfit calia has it looks to be the perfect rp set
restive pasture
It's a pretty cool outfit
And crap, new news post. No worgen or goblin racial armors in 8.2.5. 😭
storm marsh
Those 4 races u mentioned will be the last races to get heritage
I wonder which race will be against which race in this barrens warfront
terse patrol
Those four got armor with the warfront.
terse patrol
I suspect troll heritage armor. @storm marsh
Draenei maybe?
Draenei have no heritage armor.
storm marsh
Yeah
dense plover
Fucking called it
Y’all said heritage armor was 8.2.5
I said it might be later
Blammo
/s
smoky mural
“These are the two races that haven’t been updated. They’ll have new heritage armor with that as well.”
Read more at https://www.mmorpg.com/world-of-warcraft/interviews/new-world-of-warcraft-82-info-tyrande-sylvanas-customization-oh-my-1000013638#rgZc6zCjDlGbXXwu.99
the direct quote
they said whit the update so they lied
dense plover
Lol
upper remnant
Key word is with they didn't say after so yeah, they changed it
dense plover
“They lied”
They don’t want to make it shit
So they are giving it more time
Idk about you, but I don’t want rushed heritage sets
smoky mural
then why say it in the first place
dense plover
Because they thought they could
agile token
Because it was planned
tropic trail
I dont think they lied, they have simple some errors or something
or maybe that group feature thing takes more work then planned
tropic trail
exactly
terse patrol
Well, hopefully they fix the new models because they’re janky as hell atm.
dense plover
Focusing on the models is more important since those are going to be around for a while
Janky? In what way?
terse patrol
Missing head textures sometimes, the missing eye options, other missing options, etc.
dense plover
Yeah those are all bugs
Which I am certain they are working on
We are probably around a month, maybe less from a release
That’s probably plenty of time to fix the bugs
tropic trail
also Im not sure anymore as I was before that Nzoth is going to be the endboss. Maybe the 8.3 patch will be about Sylvanas being a raid boss, because I cant see how they will solve everything now in just 8.2.5
dense plover
It’s not enough time to create and test two sets of heritage armor
Well we also have 8.3.5
And we don’t have to resolve everything
Nzoth being free might be the big thing leading to 9.0
tropic trail
yea, 8.3 we have to deal with Sylvanas and then nzoth appears with nya alotha
but then, we already have so many hints that 8.3 is a Nzoth patch
so maybe Sylvanas will be a part of the Nzoth raid
corrupted or something
i wonder when the goblin cannon will get used..
dense plover
It might not, but possibly in some kind of storm wind assault
tropic trail
didnt they said it was going to get used on a Q&A or interview?
flint meteor
Wonder who gonna ks the nzoth kill 
terse patrol
A westfall warfront would be cool. The Defias rejoining the Alliance to defend their home.
smoky mural
@zealous basalt “These are the two races that haven’t been updated. They’ll have new heritage armor with that as well.”
the direct quote
zealous basalt
They haven't lied with that quote
They simply said "Ya, they will have heritage armor"
but they didn't say "And it will come with the update"
smoky mural
whit the update
tropic trail
true
zealous basalt
It's an indirect confirmation
That they will receive an heritage armor
Just not right now
We hyped ourselves with this
So, not a lie, but it is still mean
uncut vault
People who talk about the cannon being used likely didn’t watch the Q&A at which it was asked
It was last years blizzcon, and the guy asking spent five minutes shouting out people in the crowd and cracking jokes
And when he finally got to his question they gave a “yeah sure it’ll be used in the future” to get him away
So they might use it soon, but there’s no greater chance than any past xpacs
zealous basalt
What cannon
tropic trail
the goblin one
unborn glacier
@misty blaze She had a night elf model in classic/vanilla
zealous basalt
Ye
unborn glacier
@uncut vault No. He said, "We're firing that cannon'"
ionic terrace
😏
tropic trail
lol
ionic terrace
Ye
Also party sync can lead to some interesting things
Least I don't have to worry about the horse dying
deft carbon
😆 You was bitten again!
calm plank
I'm starting to think that bite may have had some side effects 🤔
tropic trail
Sylvanas will be the focus of 8.3
N'zoth is for the Black Empire expansion
thats not a 100% giving. the hints saying all its gonna be an Nzoth patch. But otherwise it would make sense if we have to deal with Sylvanas first in 8.3
Lol n
"We're going to fight a released old god in a single patch"
"A literal god"
yea thats what Wrathion says
the true battle of azeroth is against Nzoth. also blizzard already hinted back in 2018 on the blizzcon that 8.3 will be about Nzoth
They're not going to axe a sargaeras-level villain in BFA
maybe not, but he will be 100% present in this patch
Without having an entire expansion dedicated to them
Oh sure
But you aren't winning
I never said we will win. But he will be the focus of this patch
with Sylvanas as B plot
Nah. Sylvanas will be the focal, with old gods as a b plot
He'a not going to go full "TENTACLES EVERYWHERE"
depends how 8.2.5 will play out
More than likely, you'll find out Ulduar has gone dark
but yea that could also work
And Ahn'qiraji has a huge silithid swarm around it
Spilling into Uldum
N'zoth frees C'thun and Yogg-saron. Boom, expansion
see here is the thing. if Sylvanas will be the main focus of 8.3 , then there has something to happen so we can get a new zone
which would be the dragon isles then
but if Sylvanas is the main focus, how you will combine it with the new zone?
Azshara is the focus of 8.2 and with her we got 2 new zones, with Nazjatar being the main focus
you cant just make Sylvanas the focus of 8.3 without introducing a new zone for the gameplay
you know?
just a Sylvanas raid wont be enough
Who says we need a new zone, and who says the Dragon Isles
so its gonna be a) Nya alotha or b) the dragon isles
we need 100% a new zone
Why would it be any of those
What new zone did we get for 8.1?
what else do we have?
Darkshore
so you think about a revamp of a zone?
but revamping just 1 zone isnt enough, probably
8.3 should be in the same lvl as Argus was
I hated argus so no
it doesnt matter if you hated argus, Im talking about the content size
8.3 will last a year
8.3 and 8.3.5
cant just drop 1 revamped zone of thunderbluff
If they gonna make Sylvanas the main focus of 8.3 and as a Raid boss, then she will move us into a new zone and we will follower her
Im sure
dense plover
Rakata, that’s legitimately what I’m hoping for
I want all 3 old gods
I want a Black Empire Returns expac
tropic trail
Its the only one that makes sense
dense plover
Well, a Nzoth only expac works too
But yeah, I expect an old god expac unless Nzoth loses (which would be lame)
tropic trail
And also
Why would Sylvanas be trapiezing around Nyalotha and The Dragon Isles
why would Sylvanas use an old god blade?
why would she trust him?
dense plover
It’s powerful
tropic trail
yea
dense plover
And it doesn’t have xal in it anymore
upper remnant
Maybe Sylvanas is just in 8.2.5 and 8.3 is N'zoth
dense plover
Sylvanas could easily be using the old gods
tropic trail
my point was, if its going to be Sylvanas, if Sylvanas is the focus of 8.3 and a Raid Boss, she will lead us to a new zone
dense plover
Undead are resistant to the whispers
I don’t think she is
I think wrathion and Nzoth are
And I hope we lose
tropic trail
Azshara could simply be the end boss once more, together with Nzoth
then she dies, Azshara
bam
with her third dead she ushers in our coming
black empire xpac
but I feel like a shadowlands themed xpac is more likely
about death and all
You mean baseless 4chan leaks?
?
That is what the "shadowlands" is anyhow
It all sounds like fever dream BS
Azshara has only died once anyhow
Sylvanas has died twice
a death themed xpac has nothing to do with the shadowlands "leak". And that a lot of the shadowlands leak is likely to happen, is not magic
Sylvanas died 3 times
No
Yes
100% yes
She died once, then threw herself off icecrown
tropic trail
Arthas killed her. Suicide. Godfrey
Or if they're going with undead sylvanas deaths
zealous basalt
Godfrey
tropic trail
She's only died twice
zealous basalt
Total deaths boy
upper remnant
Sylvanas, Azshara, Alleria and mayyybe Tyrande and Jaina could fill the deal
tropic trail
Taliesin made a great Video about that quote some days ago
Azshara and Alleria fitting the most for that quote
I cant take them seriously
After the LFU video
Azshara and Alleria haven't died though?
Or died twice anyhow
uncut vault
That video was fine. He recognizes that light undead are an unpopular idea and would be hamfisted as an allied race
upper remnant
Alleria admited she "died" twice
storm marsh
I love how 8.3 is unpredictable
tropic trail
metaphorical
upper remnant
And Azshara transformation to a naga could work too
tropic trail
Today I learned mutation and being away for a while counts as death
tropic trail
Definitions > the fickle feelings of some elf
Alleria has a text where she said literally she feels like she died twice, which are bouth metaphorical deaths
They're not metaphorical deaths at all
???
tranquil steeple
feel like dying =/= actually dying
tropic trail
dude you just tried to strecht Sylvanas as not being Sylvanas
and explain she died 3 times
and yet you complain about Alleria saying she died 2?
Sylvanas died while alive ince
She's only died as a banshee teice
no, Sylvanas died exactly 3 times
tropic trail
I wouldn't consider pre banshee Sylvanas as the same person
saying she died twice as the Banshee Queen is metaphorical. Same as saying Alleria died 2 times
uncut vault
Dude, you can’t say “metaphorical deaths don’t count” then turn around and say “Sylvanas only count for her undead deaths cause that’s who she is now”
tropic trail
^
uncut vault
Either it’s literal number of deaths or it isn’t
storm marsh
Lmao
upper remnant
You just count the one you want🤔
tranquil steeple
Sigh..
tropic trail
Every bit of lore around them just devolves into awful
in your opinion
It's fact
I like the elven lore in warcraft much more then all the other games I played
zealous basalt
Just because your argument was debunked doesn't mean elf lore is dumb
storm marsh
I feel like I'm the only person that likes the idea of Void elves
zealous basalt
Nah, I like them too
tropic trail
In any event
We're not having Azshara 2.0
Or Alleria
do you mean we wont fight her again?
tropic trail
because thats most likely to happen, that we will fight again Azshara
No not really
Nzoth dragged her off to plotville
upper remnant
To next raid
tropic trail
And every major patch has been centered around a warbringer
tranquil steeple
and.. that.. doesn't immediatelly mean she's gone forever
tropic trail
8.1 - Jaina
8.2 - Azshara
8.3 - Who could it be now?
storm marsh
Yet all of the warbringers are alive and well...
tranquil steeple
chances are slim we'll see the same Azshara, but until fully confirmed, she's not gone.
tropic trail
Sylvanas being the main focus of 8.3 doesnt make her instantly a raid boss. She could still be one, but as I said
there will be Nzoth
and there have to be a new zone
In the background
upper remnant
Jaina is in 8.2 everywhere too
tropic trail
As a supporting character
thats the 8.3 hint from last blizzcon BTW
We're not fighting N'zoth in 8.3
Or atleast him directly
we dont know what we will do
What are we going to use
The power of DETERMINATION to fight an unleashed horror that the titans were scared to the point of scorching the universe?
we could fight him, we could fight Azshara empowered by him, we could fight Sylvanas in an Nzth Raid
everything is open at the moment
upper remnant
N'zovanas maybe ?
tropic trail
Our shiny hearts that freed them in the first place?
yeah that'll work out real well
N'zoth almost killed everyone on Azeroth by accessing the Emerald Dream
And that was inside of his cage
upper remnant
Meh we fought a Titan already
tropic trail
You were being helped by the entire titan pantheon
upper remnant
We can have help too
upper remnant
Maybe the DI are used to gain the Dragon flight back
tropic trail
There are zero immedeate cosmic powers on the level of an old god
tropic trail
I wouldn't put dragonflights next to old gods
zealous basalt
Ijust hope next xpac the progression isn't linked to an equipment piece
tropic trail
Look at neltharion
storm marsh
Azerite power
upper remnant
The watchers imprisoned N'zoth once
tropic trail
That was with the titans themselves overseeing them
upper remnant
Nope
tropic trail
Rakata, so if you believe 8.3 will be all about Sylvanas being an Raid Boss, what do you think the zones will be then? Because you know, there has something to be besides just 1 raid
Yogg-Saron just lightly poking through his cage brought Ulduar to it's knees
Yes. The Watchers imprisoned the Old Gods, with the Titans supervising them
upper remnant
Titans did nothing more than creating them and kill Y'shaarj
inner copper
And hurting Azeroth in the process
uncut vault
The titans were never afraid of the old gods lmao
They were too powerful to kill the old gods themselves
Because killing them themselves hurt the planet
inner copper
Sargeras<<<
uncut vault
Sargeras was afraid of the void lords
He cleaned a planet infested by old gods like it was nothing
uncut vault
tropic trail
I just want news
uncut vault
What, testing a raid from eight years ago on easy mode isn’t build worthy to you? 🤔
tropic trail
I just want my Mechagnomes and Fish/Snake people
storm marsh
Hopefully not them becoming an AR
strange falcon
@tropic trail define "fish/Snake people"
terse patrol
@uncut vault Idk why I’m the only one who feels like 8.2.5 is turning out to be unabashed filler.
uncut vault
It’s hard to know
Because they aren’t letting us test any new content beyond the short snippet of Wrathion stuff
terse patrol
It really does feel like they’re waiting for a cinematic before they let it get “spoiled”
tropic trail
exactly
Im sure they want first to release that cinematic. That fits perfect with the chinese VA tweet
so Sylvanas does something fucked up, and 8.2.5 will be about that maybe? Like a warfront or this Stormwind assault
I really hope for the next week. it has to be the next week... or maybe the week after
they dont have that many time left for testing 8.2.5 if they planning to release it on 15-20 sep
terse patrol
Next week lines up with Gamescom.
tropic trail
yep
- 8 Tuesday is press only day. If we dont get the cinematic on this day then it will be (probably) wednesday or weekend
terse patrol
Eternal Palace 4th wing LFR comes out the 20th too.
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So that’s likely what they’re waiting for.
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eternal palace doesnt have a 4th wing
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Azshara is available since Tuesday I think for LFR
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yea
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Ah i’m dumb
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You need to wipe 100 times on LFR aszh
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76 days left guys until blizzcon . I wish I could sleep for so long
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Woof woof
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boop
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bite
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mlem
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:C
more nerfs to gems?
That's not the problem Blizz
If you want to solve the thing about benthic gear you have to disable bonus stats on them entirely
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imagine nerfing gem stones no one uses
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lol
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This ain’t it chief
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^^^
thats fucking stupid
heritage armor takes a lot of work
they want it to be able to be used in both forms probably
and it has to work in running wild
and it has to look good in all of those
plus they need to do one for goblins too
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meanwhile theyre also trying to make sure both models are finished and everything looks good
3 forms for worgen technically
human, worgen, running wild
its why they took so long to be redone in the first place
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its dumb
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It is
If you want to make Benthic weaker just get rid of the sockets
And probably make them cap at 415
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or make the buffs not work in the raid
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That too
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if they were only in world effects, it wouldnt be as big of a deal
or you could have an item from the raid that allows the effects to work in the raid, idk
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But shouldn't it mean reseting the world firt race?
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no, thats happened, its done
but i do think benthic needs a nerf
raid gear needs to be inherently better
either benthic needs an ilvl lock behind the raid
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I still say it
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or its effects shouldnt work in it
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Best thing would be that blizzard learns from benthic gear
what was good, what was bad
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I don't remember timeless gear being that op
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Exactly
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and it capped at... uh... 496? But I forgot how that related to SoO
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ah no, capped at 535. That was below flex even
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back then ilvl scaling made sense
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Back when Monks were gods
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I hated monk out of principle and I'm sad I did
(principle mainly being wHeRe ArE mY wOrGeN monks)
and now that I love monk it rotates between top 3 and bottom 3 spec
~.~
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Nowadays its lowest of logs
Monks were godly
With our debuffs
and
Cries
BLIZZARD IM GOING TO KIDNAP YOUR CLASS DESIGNERS
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monks were godly when serenity was an acceptable talent choice
I still use it, and I don't feel bad because I'm not doing any content above +12 m+ anyway
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I just like Serenity way more then SEF
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you realize the designers are dumb for WW monk a lot in bfa
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Since legion
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legion 7.2/7.3 was good
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They don't know what to do with the class
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imo
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I certainly hope the lesson blizzard learns isnt "dont have BIS gear outside of raids"
the lesson they should learn is to not have sockets be RNG
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Linking the biggest dps output to the artifact was
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Benthic as a concept is great, a guaranteed way to get gear from a place that isn't mass group content
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The stupidest idea ever done my man kind
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but it is ruined by the RNG of sockets
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And yeah
I am with Porter
Benthic is nice
But giving it ilvl that is relative to heroics?
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but we went through Fists of Fury being worthless, to never use Rising Sun Kick, to ignore your mastery, and now we're again at never use Rising Sun Kick
I'd be okay with benthic gear being slightly above normal, but below heroic
and for fucks sake get rid of your rigid ilvl scaling
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ilvl scaling is good for leveling only
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remove titanforge, let warforge be in steps of 2 between 2 and 10
difficulty progressing between tiers should be 10 ilvls to avoid stat bloat
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Thing is they dont want to touch 4 digits
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HAH
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edge case being: You have socketed gear
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please
PLEASE
I HAVE A 385 RING I CAN'T TRADE FOR A 420 BECAUSE IT HAS SHITTY STATS
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I am in the same boat on my fury
but it was a 350 ring :)
I hate rings
so damn much
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I think they know they messed it
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rings are something that should have reforge
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if only one gear can get reforge back, it should be rings
and you should be able to dump a stat HARD
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this problem with ilvl shouldn't be big if Reforge was still here
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I think reforge for all slots would be annoying
but for gear that doesn't have primary stats? Yes please
so amulets too for post-hoa
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I don't really miss reforging. And thinking if we had reforging, and thinking horde, I fear like the reforge idiot would be in some shitty place on the docks making dazar'alor EVEN WORSE
I like the essence progression
(except the fact it includes pvp)
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Me too but it's too late
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Essences should have been done since 8.0
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like whatever secondary gearing system they have in 9.x, they need to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that it's good
not like azerite gear
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which entered beta way too late in the first place, signaling that they weren't sure what to do with it
I hate azerite gear
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It's way better than sets or legendaries
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let's make this class suck if it doesn't have the same trait 3 times :)
I liked relics/netherlight crucible more
which is the system hoa is supposed to build on
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sets and legendaries are things I don't really miss, tho I do miss mocking one of my raid shamans for never getting a helmet
but right now she is never getting leviathan's lure, so we have that
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And THIS SPEC NEEDS TO BE REDONE
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and if you don't have Glory of the Dawn, don't use RSK
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WDP is something to be added baseline
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but yeah 3 ops, 1 fury, 1 FUCKING CHI-JI TRAIT CAUSE IT'S USEFUL IN ST LIKE WTH
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THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE BASELINE
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a lot of traits that should be baseline are things that were similar on the artifact weapon and I'm like
:)
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no one would've cried if they took the artifact weapon passives
and added them to the spell book
to have new passives to learn from level 90 to 110
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there is a small difference between artifact legion and the azerite armor
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imagine how cool that'd have been
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a very small but noticeable thing
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spellbook wouldn't be lame after 85
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YOU HAD ALL THE PASSIVES AT THE SAME TIME
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you could only empower passives, but not add new ones
and that's a big important difference
like azerite gear is a new, terrible talent system instead of a new artifact weapon
and I'm kinda excited for blizzcon to see what they might offer us for 9.0
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They should fire this team
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And what else
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I wanna add more but no
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for monks: Cyclotronic Blast or bust
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spending 4 seconds of ToD on a trinket that is annoying to activate cause it has a longer GCD is fun
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I wish the worse for them
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you mean for broken isles?
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I never played monk before legion, so I can't judge sadly
I heard they were great in WoD
a lot of classes were great in WoD which is ???
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"Guys let's rework TEB and make it into SEF"
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also can I add how much I hate WDP
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even if I didn't love Serenity as much as I do, WDP just fucking sucks
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it annoys me everytime a monk goes "I punch now!" and knocks all mobs all over the place without doing damage
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It's the buggest thing on the class
And did i told you about the clones not attacking at all?
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nope but I believe you
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THEY DO
THEY SIMPLY STAY THERE
Imo they should like
do something with monk
Put him back like in MoP
give RSK aura back
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8% more damage to all enemies in a 8m rank
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so the current passive 5% melee thing but in cool?`
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in aoe
I might even go play on a MoP server to remember old times
sigh
The mastery sucks
RSK is weak
WDP and SEF bugs
Talents that are fixed
I wonder what do the class designers have in mind
Like...are they really working with passion?
I mean, we are not demon hunters but we still like our monks
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I like the mastery, the rotate between abilities gameplay
but it being so weak is upsetting
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Arcane Mage :)
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I'd kinda wish it was more similar to the Warlock one, tbh
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Frost Mage :)
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What is the warlock one
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Frost Mage is another great spec with their NO ICE LANCE BUILD
like why the fuck does that work
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idk WW isn't about randomness
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it'd be some small flat bonus, and then current mastery
where if it's a different spell than the last, increase damage.
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Make that extra damage nature and we are talking about something better
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also you basically had that with the Combo Hits talent
but now Combo Hits is in a stupid talent row and nerfed
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for example if 30% mastery, 10% of that flat, and last 20% if non-repeat
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why it's not baseline is another mystery to me
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yeeee, ik
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And ye
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1% stack, from 2%
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I find it really weird
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Combo Hits should be baseline
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Combo hits is just more mastery though
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yeah but it's not dependant on having mastery
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They should add that final percentage to the mastery and add a different combo hits
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which is nice because right now monks hate everything that isn't versa
especially haste which makes me sad
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yeah but xuen is a random proc you get like once a minute
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'cause god bless the % proc chance nerf
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or assassination with their traits
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Monks need a rework again
Hear me out
I knew monks were going to be total shit the moment I saw the damage of Strike of the Wind Lord
Like
Instead of having more windy stuff it was just one shot
All the damage was in our artifact
So when you remove it
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and the damage not in your artifact was from now nerfed talents
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The perfect disaster
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or builds that needed artifact weapon's traits to be ok
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And this only happens with monks
Windwalkers that is
The spec that is on the last place in damage logs
We are
The Modern Vanilla Ret Pallies
We are taken to raids for the debuff only
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and even then that's only if there's no BM monk tank, or the rare MW healer
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Do you know why we don't have buffs?
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or if the leader doesn't care
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Because in M+ we are doing okay
I MEAN SURE
SPAM THE SHIT OUT OF THE CRANE KICK
Legion's class designers
Or rather the whole team
no matter what you give us in 9.0
I will never forgive you for what you did to my class
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m+ is best when crane kick just doesn't proc :)
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Gods Blizzard
Check your classes again
Serenity would be worth taking
if
it increased damage for 50%
And all attacks counted for mastery
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serenity is such a fun gameplay
but blizzard doesn't want to make it worthwhile taking
unless you wanna have fun, not be good
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Serenity was great in BfA
i mean
WoD
You used it after getting 10 stacks of TeB
it was almost 100% of more damage
And you dumped infinite black out kicks
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wasn't bad in legion either, but as said, didn't play in WoD so I can't compare to true greatness
also just looked at the monk discord, looks like no RSK is becoming our new meta
except for enabling WDP
🙃
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I rarely check
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so new trait meta is 3xOPS/1xFury/1xChi-Ji/1x [insert good generic trait here]
?
sounds like fun(tm)
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Pressure point
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and then of course 2x chi-ji for m+
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Pressure point
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I forgot what pressure point did lul
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wasn't that uh
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oh that one
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Basically
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tiger palm extra damage and chance on free blaack out
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ew
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that's sad
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GotD is rng again
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speaking of Sunrise Technique, I remember slowly replacing items for MW that had it to make a "RSK -> SCK" 'dps build' for MW
and then never making use of it
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Fistweaving
Honestly though
The azerite traits should be baseline
Im really pissed
And get more pissed the more I think about how they fucked monks
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I can relate, only on the DH side of things with Demon Blades % proc chance nerf alone
during Legion
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demon hunters are still good though
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yeah but it's just that
it felt so nice to run Demon Blades while it was 75% instead of 60%
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I remember when on 8.2 ptr the discord thought that C&S would give us a nice damage boost
and now we don't use it cause it's bad
🙃
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It's not bad
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or well, annoying to use
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and not better than others
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and the tank needs to stick to a mob
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And be sure they are at least at 92% hp
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and that alone can cause issues
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it's good but then you have focusing iris which is just better
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(not in ST obv but yeah)
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speaking of next raid tier, 8.2.5 when
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seems like they have nothing to show us lol
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Blood of the Enemy is getting better
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aaaaaaaalso uh... my brain's been on auto-pilot for a while, watching videos then tabbing in here and typing but.. most of what we've been talking about has been more #retail-wow than #beta-ptr-spoilers
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GETTING RANK 3 IS
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like I DON'T PVP
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horrible
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and the amount of pvp you have to do for blood exceeds that of C&S by miiiiiiiiiiiiles
by lightyears
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@ionic terrace we are talking about the depressing recap of Windwalkers
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I wish essences had multiple sources so I don't have to pvp
or at least severely limit the amount of pvp I have to do
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Psh
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Essences should be account bound honestly
The amount of work you have to do for alts is unreasonable in this game. The only thing I’m grateful for is the flying. Rip.
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I hope in 8.3 they make them account bound