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#beta-ptr-spoilers
jovial coral
sudden oak
you take races out of their factions and people riot
you either change the factions and rearrange them something I doubt would work tbh
or you delete the factions and let each character take a side later
sudden oak
I think a few blood vessels around my head popped reading that tbh
jovial coral
Sowy
sudden oak
first of all why is the fel horde in the faction that respects life?
second greymane working together with orcs
jovial coral
Orcs that don't care for sylvanas or undead aligned with her very much
zealous basalt
Greymane would never work with orcs
jovial coral
Maybe
jovial coral
Oh, why never?
sudden oak
because greymane together with daelin wanted all the orcs executed by the end of the second war
jovial coral
Fair but people would have said greymane would never feel sympathy for the undead either
sudden oak
yeah and I still call bs on greymane seeing the forsaken something more than hateful monster but thats a personal opinion
zealous basalt
that was golden's view
Yet in game
We have Jaina going from Horde's pacifist to hateful for them and decided to wipe them out
sudden oak
jaina has a real reason for hating the horde
greymane doesnt have a reason for not hating the forsaken
zealous basalt
Honestly tho
sudden oak
like "I see that undead and human not killing eachother gee I guess they are all like her"
zealous basalt
after how he saw Sylvanas treating the ones that were deserting
He came back to "undead mean"
sudden oak
like I wanted to smash my head against a wall after that tbh
anduin is full of kindness of forgiveness
greymane is not
zealous basalt
I think Golden overstepped there
jovial coral
It is canon though right
zealous basalt
Yes but in game is not reflected
jovial skiff
I like Greymane, he's cool
would fight along side
sudden oak
also in ellegy its said that are too few night elves in the world and we know its not true since there are night elves in almost every other part of kalimdor
like feralas
felwood
moonglade
val'sharah
jovial skiff
Yeah, there's a lot of elves
Second most common race after humans you think?
sudden oak
yup
but nooo
dear christie golden says there are just too few :^)
I hope im not too salty
also love how before the storm is a book about both factions but it looks more like an alliance book with anduin as the protagonist
zealous basalt
Golden is an Alliance writter
sudden oak
then give her to do alliance books not the ones that should be for both factions
zealous basalt
Who is a neutral writter?
do u know one
smart ass
that's why knaifu prefers me
zealous basalt
Robert?
terse patrol
Golden is the only person who cares about Alliance story atm it feels like
On the story team I mean
terse patrol
Hate the tone deaf Purge Squad in Vol’dun.
Anduin: “we’re going to not push the advantage because I dont want to be like Sylvanas”
Genociding vulpera in Vol’dun.
Feels like Blizzard is just like “well, we made the Horde really evil. Lets just make the Alliance evil too despite it not fitting at all.”
jovial skiff
Theyre called "Purge Squad" and its a bunch of pyromancers right?
sudden oak
locks shamans and mages if im not mistaken
zealous basalt
...
jovial skiff
I feel like after making the horde so obviously evil rather than toning it down they were just like "how do we make the alliance look bad too???" and came up with drawing a parralel to nazis
terse patrol
It’s dumb already, but of all races, they used Draenei.
zealous basalt
out of character
like fucking dra
The people at blizzard
are stupid or something
terse patrol
Who are supposed to be the most moral characters of the Alliance.
zealous basalt
or they want to win the "Stupid Employee of the Month2
terse patrol
I feel like this is yet again a Cataclysm situation.
The quest writers not communicating with the overall story team.
zealous basalt
They are doing whatever the fuck they want
but its not bias
Can someone make me a favor
and call them out at blizzcon?
because they are decending into the
levels of you know what word
terse patrol
Like, they could have easily had Halford be like
“We have intel that the Vulpera have aligned with the Horde, lets captured them.”
And the Horde frees them.
But instead
Purge Squad
zealous basalt
Do they want to put Alliance into
Bad side too?
I mean
You want to make Horde PCs betrayers to Sylvanas
traitors*
but this too?
What is BfA? is it their playground or what?
uncut vault
Like, literally any setup to the Alliance even knowing stuff about the vulpera in Voldun
Alliance side doesn’t ever mention the vulpera at all, let alone have them know they’re helping the horde champion (not even the horde yet)
zealous basalt
Yet they go and "purge" them
sudden oak
I think there are Vulpera in Kul'tiras too as pirates if im not mistaken
terse patrol
Yeah but the Alliance isnt going to make decisions off of that.
Theres a Draenei bloodsail captain.
Will they wipe out Draenei?
They need to get Red Shirt Guy to raise some hell over this.
jovial coral
Red shirt guy works for blizzard now I believe
zealous basalt
No, trust me, if he worked, this would be better
jovial coral
I guess. Would you be up for the task though?
zealous basalt
For what? Entering the writting team?
jovial coral
Yeah
zealous basalt
Idk tbh, Part of me wants
But another part of me is afraid of entering and discovering a fucking corruption
jovial coral
Personally I'd be down for it but I'd have to be more knowledge able of the lore and back check a lot
Not to mention typos
jovial coral
Just checked blizz careers there's a writing intern position for overwatch but not wow
Golden gots it on lock
proven sequoia
This entire Vulpera team must be PURGED.
ARTHAS NO
steel venture
I still like the Purge Squad.
It's a horrible and needless act and thus finally gives the Alliance an actual fucking war crime.
tulip sun
the purge squad si also likely not their true names. Either temporary or just a biased view on what the horde/vulpera see them as.
steel venture
The Alliance being goody-goody white knights for all of WoWs history is fucking BORING.
Like anybody remotely evil got swept under the "o no they were just... like that. Not the norm. We're nice! uwu"
terse patrol
@steel venture That’s fine, if it matched the overall narrative. But right now, it doesn’t.
steel venture
This entire setup has no logical narrative. Let's ne honest.
Blizzard is throwing everything at the wall because they went back to the nonsensical faction war as a focus that had ALWAYS been the weakest story.
Nobody really remembers WC3 most fondly for the core faction war. People remember specific aspects of the campaigns outside of thst.
That's why characters like Kael, Arthas and Illidan are fan favorites.
Literally the entire premise of WC3 was "Hey, there's bigger issues than people who have Red or Blue banners, you dumbasses."
ruby prawn
Isn't there also a bigger issue now? With azshara and old gods?
steel venture
YES.
ruby prawn
It's not any different
steel venture
AND THE PLANET LITERALLY DYING.
ruby prawn
So it was before
Everything is dying
Everything is doomed to die
There is an endless abyss of death
Waiting for each and everyone of us
steel venture
It's so stupid that they're parading BFA as a faction expansion whilst using the actual issue as a footnote in short.
ruby prawn
The faction war is just a starter. The old gods are going to be the main focus of the xpac from next patch probably
steel venture
Which is exactly what nobody wanted when we finally were gonna deal with N'zoth.
ruby prawn
I believe it was quite a good idea
But executed quite poorly in-gmae
Game*
I think the story in bfa was rushed
steel venture
Because the writing team doesn't talk to the quest team.
steel venture
That is 100% something Questifer admitted too.
ruby prawn
What is questifier?
steel venture
One of the quest devs.
She made most of Suramar with her team.
But she had nothing to do with say, Azsuna or Val'sharah for example.
ruby prawn
Suramar was amazing
But the rep and ancient mana grind killed it
The burning of teldrasil was kinda bad as well, now that I recall it
Again, story wise
BfA was obviously a last minute decision
To make fans think about the past
Btw, are Zandalari trolls confirmed to be playable in the next patch?
ruby prawn
Woo
steel venture
Kul**
tulip sun
I highly doubt it was a last minute story decision
zealous basalt
Kek Tirans
unique crag
any idea how to enable 3d stuffs appear on armor in wowhead model viewer?
hollow dock
@ruby prawn BFA was not last minute from a story standpoint
they just have no idea how to translate what would be great in a book to a game.
As Elegy/A Good War were fantastic works around the War of Thorns yet because it's in game and only has a few quests, seemed likenothing happened.
Books will always be superior as they are limited only by imagination
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse patrol
@hollow dock funny how the main things i look forwards to are new books and cinematics
The in game stuff is 90% of the time shyte
ruby prawn
It really felt last minute
hollow dock
it feels rushed
but it' snot last minute
they planned this during legion
remember, blizz plans out the story of their expacs 2-3 ahead of time.
And I'm certain it looks great on paper. But so many of the divisions don't seem* to speak or interact with each other to get some clarifications
so the translation is like a game of phone.
Where the original message can be "Sylvanas burns the tree" andends up with "Sylvanas yearns for flee"
foggy marlin
"Sylvanis yearns for fleadom" lol
strange falcon
hollow dock
Uh
wat
I don't quite understand the joke.
Tyrande isn't forced to listen to Anduin when it comes ot her people. Only when it comes to leading the war against the horde, and even then, when she gets her orders, she is the one dishing them out on the field
and heck, how 8.1 starts shows just how much freedom is given with her going regardless of the alliance's help.
sullen dagger
Trust in 4chan to dish wrong phrases making them feel real by greentext
glad sparrow
How can I invite one of my friends, or someone invite I mean?
neat idol
Guys, the Blood Elf Heritage armor can be aquired?
neat idol
Sorry, i mean in the PTR
dense plover
maybe?
the instance is there and the models exist
you just need a 120 bloodelf exalted with silvermoon
neat idol
oh, maybe thats what im missing, exalted
fuck, ty
well, now i have a 120 bloodelf exalted and nothing appears D:
jade basalt
You have to do the quests
neat idol
But how do i start the questline? thats what i cant find
sudden oak
buy a tabard and do dungeons
if you do old dungeons every mob gives rep if you do actual dungeons every boss gives 300 rep if im not mistaken
neat idol
guessing that the "acountwide" reputation wont work for that, right?
uncut vault
No, has to be on the character
I recommend mechanar, a lot of small bosses, gives about 3k rep in five to ten minutes
neat idol
ty!
meager warren
accountwide rep?
civic saffron
only if they are exalted
hollow dock
there is no account wide reps. @neat idol
civic saffron
and only when 8.1 hits
hollow dock
there never will be
civic saffron
it will its already on ptr
civic saffron
yes every exalted rep will be account wide but only if exalted
hollow dock
false.
civic saffron
ok blues are lying to us then
hollow dock
that does not make reps account wide.
civic saffron
ok so ion lied to us got it
meager warren
where did ion say that it's accountwide
hollow dock
they are removing the rep requirements for transmog
in 8.1
and that the champions of azeroth progress
will be account wide
strange falcon
what Ion DID say
is that reps count for achievements accountwide
not that all characters will have all exalted reps
just because your main has them
hollow dock
@mystic solar
jade basalt
The rep count is account-wide, but the reps aren't shared. If your account has a total of 60 unique reputations, your achievement will say 60/100. But your character X still has only, say, 12 individual reputations himself.
zealous basalt
So for Example
For BfA and Legion rep
if one character has them all at exalted
does it mean I would be able to get the rewards from exalted with new characters?
jade basalt
Nope
Because your new characters wouldn't be Exalted
But you do get the achievement on your account because your rep count is account-wide
It's only the count, the number of reputations you have.
zealous basalt
Aww
meager warren
That's a lot less satisfying than i thought it'd be
dense plover
BUT
you can use the items that normally need exalted for transmog
so tabards
any exclusive transmog or mounts
etc
toys (probably)
zealous basalt
Hmm I need ideas for Race+class combo that look good aesthetically
zealous basalt
huh
summer cobalt
good for them, they deserve it
zealous basalt
CHECK THOSE SPRIEST
tranquil steeple
das sum big changes
zealous basalt
gratz man
sudden oak
now we just need to remove the stigma from shadow priests
zealous basalt
the sigma?
zealous basalt
Ohh
zealous basalt
but grats
Ele Sham
And S priest
are getting both
nice stuff in 8.1
Feral druids when
zinc sandal
Did they ever go into this much detail with Ele? I don't remember
zealous basalt
But
Well
they changed some stuff
moved talents
made new ones
kinda a rework
zinc sandal
They never described the new ones, though, did they?
zealous basalt
They kinda did
surreal estuary
No Laz
Ele they basically talked about some QoL fixes and emphasized Lightning Bolt for single target, and sort of dropped two talents on us without much context for them other than "there were too many talents that don't change your playstyle"
MM Hunter they flat out said they want the spec to be able to create and maintain distance in PvP and PvE, Shadow they flat out said they want to improve the defensive ability and give more control and reward for staying in Voidform for longer
<--- totally not salty :/
jade basalt
They did describe the new talents @zinc sandal
Unrelated, but it seems this quest chain is seeding the Crucible of Storms raid. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ruin_Has_Come
hollow dock
Huh and here I thought that quest chain was just a reference to H.P. Lovecrafts works.
since it mimics his writing pretty well.
jade basalt
There's a few "Lovecrafty"-like bits in BFA
This is pretty cool for example https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ominous_Altar
sudden oak
the whole quest line is a big easter egg for darkest dungeon
but since DD has a ton of lovecraft stuff it also serves as that @hollow dock
hollow dock
Ye. Cuz it felt very Dagon or Call of C'thulu-esc. Unlike the other Lovecraft easter eggs that are just references to the Mythos.
sudden oak
tbh DD is a great game you should try it
hollow dock
I've tried it. It's not quite my type of game but I can really appreciate it.
granite heart
anything new with ret pala?
hollow dock
No. rets in a good place right now
granite heart
good? 😂
no cleave, no mobility, pretty average ST
jacks of all trades, master of none
hollow dock
What the hell you mean no cleave?
2 divine steeds of mobility.
Look at that divine storm damage spam
granite heart
what if you have 2 target fight?
granite heart
dude
AOE is not the same as 2 target cleave
you can't use divine storm on 2 targets
it's a dps loss compared to ST the first one until it dies, then the other one
get your facts straight
sudden oak
ret paladins have always been a pretty middle of the pack spec but they are not weak
and they have tons of utility
so Id say they are in a good spot rn
no one is going to deny a spot to a ret paladin
so if what you want are big numbers then play arcane mage or bm hunter
or whoever is the FotM
hollow dock
or MM hunter. as their burst is insane
untold nest
Or SPriest on group pulls.
sudden oak
a warrior can do that even better tbh
untold nest
Crap, you're right. Arms or Fury?
hollow dock
Fury does big dick numbers on burst too
sudden oak
like you only want spriest for mass dispel tbh
untold nest
Makes sense, though. Arms is One Weapon for One Target, Fury is Two Weapons Because Screw Everybody.
sudden oak
also outlaw also does pretty big numbers AoE with that CD that all targets near your main target take dmg
not sure about the name rn
untold nest
Blade Flurry, I think
untold nest
I have a massive alt issue
sudden oak
also if im not mistaken there is talent that buff blade flurry
dont worry im on the same boat
untold nest
I miss the broadside talent that made cannonballs drop from a ghost ship.
Yarr, Harr, Fiddle-de-dee. All of your stuff now belongs to me.
sudden oak
im not very fond of RNG bound specs tbh
muted canopy
people actually expect classes to be well-rounded? they need to be with strengths and weaknesses and not be good with everything like mobility, cleave, single target, sustain, etc.
muted canopy
i guess, they can be anything through talent spec changes. but at the same time they're mostly weaker due to having that flexability
muted canopy
yes, but when bfa was coming around they said that they wanted specs to stand out more
hollow dock
Druid is well rounded because it's different specs can do everything
Not a single spec doing everything. Which is the fault of Guardian
where it staved off magic and physical damage equally. Which makes a tank very OP
When it mitigates all damage. Which was removed.
While it was stilla strong tank, when it's magical fur coat was removed, it startedto even out with the other tanks in terms of power.
dense plover
^
the real problem now is the GCD hit guardian the hardest b/c of their lack of abilities and defensive cooldowns
zealous basalt
What is it?
ionic terrace
I'm still downloading lol
calm hawk
What is this I'm hearing about Alliance Vulperan Purge Squads?
dense plover
looks like maybe new kid models for a bunch of races
ionic terrace
dense plover
a thing called a mystery azerite chest
ionic terrace
dense plover
which i assume is purchased for the currency
zealous basalt
Mystery
dense plover
each is labeled normal, heroic, or mythic
zealous basalt
Huh
dense plover
and then there is the same for slot specific
zealous basalt
Would it be for
proper compass
servers are down.. feels bad
dense plover
lfg backgrounds for battle of dazaralor
zealous basalt
Uldir table quests?
dense plover
darkshore map updates
zealous basalt
Command table*
dense plover
zuldazar jaina model
ionic terrace
Wait
zealous basalt
What
dense plover
also the raid map itself
ionic terrace
She gets another new model?
dense plover
jaina is a boss in dazaralor
ionic terrace
Yeah
dense plover
its probably just tweaked
also some of it is spells
a boat load of kul tiran animation changes
not new
changed
bunch of night elf animations modified too
ionic terrace
Hm.
zealous basalt
Ror
dense plover
baine has a bunch of new vo files
brynja has vo
zelling has vo files
more zekhan vo
terse patrol
new build?
zealous basalt
K
uncut vault
Really good glyphs too
zealous basalt
Now you can cosplay a tidesage
uncut vault
Honestly if they end up not giving Kul Tiran shamans, I’ll settle for a water bolt glyph for frostbolt
zealous basalt
terse patrol
Seems I was right, the "Lich King Throne" area was totally Jaina going ham.
idk why people thought they were redoing the Frozen Throne.
uncut vault
just clarity, I think
zealous basalt
Ah got it
ionic terrace
"Fish up the De Lurker Be'loa"
Reaping - Non-boss enemies are empowered by Bwonsamdi and periodically seek vengeance from beyond the grave.
hollow dock
rip
uncut vault
belmont survives tyrande's attack
Free the Ensnared
Save Master Apothecary Faranell and Deathstalker Commander Belmont from the Druids of the Branch.
hollow dock
K N E W I T
uncut vault
@tulip sun I know you were hoping, so heres a ping for when you're home from work
hollow dock
Yea ofc they were hoping he'd survive
ionic terrace
Looks like froggos are in too
hollow dock
neat.
ionic terrace
"No one makes giant, slimy spawns like Krag'wa the Huge." Source: Vendor: Gottum Zone: Nazmir Cost: 333,333
333,333 what though 🤔
hollow dock
Gold more than likely.
dense plover
"NEW Chaotic Transformation Eye Beam deals an additional (73 * 10 * 2) damage. When you activate Metamorphosis, the cooldown of Eye Beam and Blade Dance is immediately reset."
zealous basalt
hollow dock
LOL
dense plover
FYI, writing is 100% supposed to be bias
hollow dock
oh my god
zealous basalt
They do a good job doing it
dense plover
its literally going to be text the horde reads
hollow dock
I mean Peach
dense plover
the alliance has alliance bias text
hollow dock
it doesn't paint a good picture now that Belmont absolutely survived
and was absolutely spared
by a "vengeful" tyrande
dense plover
i want an explanation for that
uncut vault
So we have the order of bosses now
zealous basalt
dense plover
" Sabertooth Ferocious Bite deals 20% increased damage and increases the duration of Rip on your target by 4 sec per combo point spent.
this is really good
See?
alliance bias text
uncut vault
Paladin
Grong/Pair fight (swaps based on faction)
Treasure Elemental
Loa Council
Rastakhan
Mekkatorque
Blockade
Jaina
uncut vault
both sides do all nine
hollow dock
The only alliance bias there
is calling the heroes of the alliance valiant
while the horde is savage
uncut vault
Jaina is the final boss for both sides
hollow dock
that's absolutely nothing
uncut vault
flashback makes you a Hordie
same as mid-raid flashback makes you an alliance for horde players
bold steeple
lok'tar
zealous basalt
Do we get our classes or
proven sequoia
Lok'Narosh!
zealous basalt
We get diff classes
dense plover
intimidating roar is baseline now
uncut vault
probably just gonna be a race swap
dense plover
thats a great change
bold steeple
Caverns of Time style
uncut vault
you'll be your exact same character
zealous basalt
Ah
proven sequoia
Cool idea.
uncut vault
Looks like theres a new warfront currency
bold steeple
if it made me a mage, I'd step out of raiding 'til next tier
(no offense to mages out there)
uncut vault
alliance gets a saber, horde gets a new dreadwing
hollow dock
good. No cats for the horde
uncut vault
and then a venomtail for both sides at less currency cost
bold steeple
hey Des
bold steeple
my Shado-Pan Tigers say hi
hollow dock
let me dream
dense plover
ooooooh
NEW Exit Strategy Rolling grants you 73 Avoidance for 2 sec. Taking non-periodic damage in this time reduces the cooldown of Roll by 5 sec.
so goood
uncut vault
just not the armored ones, I dont think
dense plover
THEY SEE ME ROLLING, I GET AVOIDANCE, AND ROLL AGAIN!!!!
bold steeple
I think it makes sense that when you murder a thing you get the chance to steal what it was riding
proven sequoia
They see me rollin', they nerfin'....
dense plover
shadow changes are in
hollow dock
I think it doesn't when that hting is also supposed to be trying to kill you
bold steeple
gonna steal all the nelf mounts
hollow dock
but that's just me
uncut vault
but both sides get a venomtail for 200 of this new currency, and then a bat and saber respectively at 1000 currency
bold steeple
hey nelves I'm comin' to steal your mounts
zealous basalt
100% avoidance or gtfo
uncut vault
something from voldun
"Wild Blue Venomtail
Captured from the desolate sands of Vol'dun, this mount is surprisingly docile in captivity.
Vendor: Provisioner Stoutforge
Zone: Tiragarde Sound
Cost: 200"
zealous basalt
How to get
uncut vault
warfronts, most likely
terse patrol
The worst thing? When the Horde get the Rastakhan flashback, they get a totally wrong version of what happened.
dense plover
destruction's infernal was buffed
uncut vault
since the premium ones are forsaken and night elf themed
zealous basalt
It is supposed to be biased
Like
We gonna end
Hating the other side more than we do now
terse patrol
Bias =/= something that didnt happen at all.
bold steeple
it's just too overt at this point
uncut vault
I mean, it did happen, Greymane did approach the throne and ask rastakhan to surrender, the troll just embellishes it into him wanting rastakhan to 'submit before his new master'
terse patrol
"We desperately want the Horde players to feel good about fighting the Alliance."
hollow dock
yes. painting a false picture in an attempt to keep this war going.
It's almost like it's a lie
bold steeple
if they don't go for the "hehe old gods set all this up, they were behind the whole thing all along" type twist, I'll be genuinely shocked, because... they couldn't be leaning harder into that setup at this point
terse patrol
Is it Sylvanas that retells it?
hollow dock
no
terse patrol
Or is it some random troll?
hollow dock
she wasn't there
zealous basalt
That would be boring
hollow dock
some random troll
terse patrol
Doubt.
dense plover
oh
The Battle for Darkshore
Stage 4: Free the Ensnared
Save Master Apothecary Faranell and Deathstalker Commander Belmont from the Druids of the Branch.
terse patrol
I think it's just Blizzard forcing it.
bold steeple
Sylvanas is just a douche
dense plover
part of taking darkshore back is freeing belmont
hollow dock
See, Peach?
dense plover
so they did capture him
hollow dock
He don't die.
bold steeple
She doesn't need the Old Gods to do douchey things
hollow dock
8.1: Tyrande does fuck all
I'm done with this game.
I'll come back and pay next expac
zealous basalt
Probably the troll way pretty scared and started seeing things
bold steeple
keep in mind I say this as someone who loves the Forsaken
I love the Forsaken, I am annoyed by Sylvanas
I was much more a Desolate Council kind of guy
dense plover
NEW Saltwater Seahorse
These giant seahorses are naturally curious, and are often found exploring sunken ship wreckage for shiny things.
Vendor: Captain Klarisa
Zone: Tiragarde Sound
Cost: 500
seafarer's dubloons
terse patrol
How does it feel, that the Alliance's entire plot is crafted to push Horde plot?
zealous basalt
Is it water mount
hollow dock
Seahorse. Yes.
uncut vault
honk, you dont understand, alliance cant have plot
hollow dock
It's a water mount
hollow dock
You joke but the more time that passes
junior prairie
more sea horses!
bold steeple
I want the Alliance leaders to actually... do things
hollow dock
you're here
junior prairie
😄
terse patrol
"i dont want to push the advantage i dont want to be like sylvanas!!!"
hollow dock
Good you get to see me bitch and moan.
terse patrol
Pushing the advantage doesnt fucking mean
junior prairie
sweet :3
terse patrol
Firebombing civilians.
dense plover
KELP ELEMENTAL
uncut vault
nice helm
zealous basalt
What about richmon
bold steeple
I would think that at least two of the Alliance leaders would be absolutely furious at Anduin at this point. There's potential conflict there, it could be interesting. Tensions within the Alliance
uncut vault
Kelm elemental is probably the actual model for the blockade end boss
hollow dock
Beal
uncut vault
cause the wrath of azshara didnt fit
bold steeple
See, but why
junior prairie
😄
terse patrol
Anduin should be pushing the Horde to the brink now because he wants to END the war quickly, so the killing stops. But no, Blizzard holds the Alliance back long enough so Saurfang can probably go find the HEART OF THE HORDE (probably thrall) and return to SAVE THE HORDE, and turn the tide.
bold steeple
I'm a Hordie and at this point I'm kinda sick of the Horde
hollow dock
tough shit.
uncut vault
interesting though
the kelp elemental has the same engravings on the wristband as the crucible raid spear
hollow dock
watch
bold steeple
I'm not gonna faction change, but I don't need the writers to hold my hand and stroke my ego this much
hollow dock
Thrall comes back right
terse patrol
Thrall is TOTALLY coming back, Blizzard isn't slick about it.
hollow dock
and he's going to lead the horde right
and he's gonna want to kill anduin
for no fuckin reaosn
bold steeple
I play Alliance too, like
hollow dock
ah so you're a traitor
bold steeple
aside from the initial questing, there's fuck-all going on Alliance side
ruby star
Wait, Seahorse can be bought with sea dubblons?!?!
zealous basalt
I have like
bold steeple
they desperately need to be given shit to do
zealous basalt
240 of those
hollow dock
we exist solely to push the horde's plot
Ignore that we have so much we can actually do
but the writers think were the "boring" faction to write for
terse patrol
i love how all these special scenarios are all Hordeside in 8.1
bold steeple
I'm saying the writing is bad
hollow dock
and thus beat off the horde whever they can.
junior prairie
o_o
bold steeple
there's plenty of interesting places they COULD take it
and then they just... don't
zealous basalt
You have a place where only one of the many writters is alliance
hollow dock
literally MILLIONS of different stories they can expand on
but they chose this one.
Beating off the horde.
uncut vault
oof, gladiator now required 50 wins AT glad
bold steeple
you'd think Christie Golden would be slapping motherfuckers in Blizz HQ rn
terse patrol
Sadly, BFA was already written mostly when Christie was hired on.
bold steeple
manbun x-treme
terse patrol
And it shows.
uncut vault
Id rather anduin be sidelined than have the golden style writing in the spotlight
I dont want more "anduin is perfect, lets all listen to him"
terse patrol
I'd rather have Golden writing than what we have now.
junior prairie
aye
bold steeple
At least Golden gives a remote shit about the Alliance and gives them shit to do
zealous basalt
We need an unbiased writter tbh
zinc sandal
"Lorthemor"
terse patrol
I want -something- for the Alliance. Golden is the only writer who loves the Alliance, at the moment.
dense plover
christie is a great writer
uncut vault
it really isnt, the anduin and night elf discussion in 8.1 is actually pretty great IMO, its the character anduin actually should be, unable to control everyone in the alliance
zealous basalt
Who is a ho
dense plover
no, im just saying
hollow dock
we're saying that Golden doesn't seem to havemuch influence.
uncut vault
not the perfect king everyone's listening to
dense plover
majore said we need an unbiased writer
zealous basalt
Who calling you a ho
junior prairie
what if christie is writing for next expac?
dense plover
golden is relatively balanced
she is probably trying to fix this one
but its a bit late unfortunately
hollow dock
She shows great love and attention to alliance and horde characters.
in her books that is
dense plover
we will probably see most of the changes in 8.2 or 8.3
terse patrol
We need a couple more Alliance biased writers to balance out all the Hordies in Blizzard.
zealous basalt
She knows how to write
hollow dock
whens he's free to write up a story as she sees fit
bold steeple
but the problem with Golden is that she likely wouldn't ever write anything that makes Manduin look bad, and that's a shame, because I think the whole "other Alliance leaders tell Anduin to fuck himself because he clearly has fuck-all idea what he's doing" is a WAY more interesting storyline, as opposed to Golden's tendency to go "Anduin is a beautiful boy and can do no wrong"
junior prairie
... I now just imagine arthas end cinematic "I see only...darkness...before me."
bold steeple
not enough
bold steeple
y'know who hasn't spoken up against Anduin yet? Genn
terse patrol
god i hope they explain the Purge Squad.
hollow dock
Did you not play legion
bold steeple
then why doesn't he DO anything?
hollow dock
Did you not play legion
junior prairie
Who ya' gonna call Vulpera purge!
dense plover
because hes an old man who isnt an asshole
bold steeple
Tyrande goes off on her own, Jaina attacks Dazar'alor, fine
dense plover
Jaina attacking dazaralor is part of the alliance
hollow dock
Jaina attacks on orders of teh alliance
uncut vault
Well, hes a bit of an asshole, just not to anduin because Liam reminders
bold steeple
but Genn's got several good reasons to be out for blood, and yet, he sits on his thumbs
where's the anger, where's the lust for vengeance
terse patrol
Anduin is the one pushing the attack on Dazar'alor.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
uh. what's that book
dense plover
literally fucking legion
terse patrol
Before the Storm
dense plover
like all of legion
zealous basalt
The attack on dazal is Anduin's Horde
dense plover
and before the storm
junior prairie
I'm curious do you think Genn would go forsaken slaughter now after before the storm?
bold steeple
because
hollow dock
He had his shot in legion. He got back at her.
Now Before the Storm comes by
and he's heavily internally conflicted
bold steeple
Sylvanas had burnt down zero trees in Legion
dense plover
dude
hollow dock
because he has now seen the Forsaken
uncut vault
oof
bold steeple
saying "Legion exists" is a shit argument
hollow dock
the monsters. the boogiemen.
dense plover
its not a sjhit argument
uncut vault
calendar markers for when its up again
hollow dock
We're saying it because its a P R O G R E S S I O N
zealous basalt
Nani
hollow dock
OF HIS CHARACTER
zealous basalt
Well
hollow dock
WHICH YOU SEEM TO IGNORE
zealous basalt
Port
dense plover
you are asking why he didnt do something - he already did and is changing
zealous basalt
I said once that it was good
dense plover
before the storm makes that clear
bold steeple
doing what, though?
zealous basalt
Because now you arent bouns by rep
bold steeple
WHAT is he doing
hollow dock
We're trying toe xplain that to you
dense plover
THE END OF STORMHEIM
hollow dock
but you keep fucking interrupting us
bold steeple
I'm aware
hollow dock
Now.
dense plover
THE ENTIRETY OF STORMHEIM
zealous basalt
You cant say he has not done anything
bold steeple
shut up about Stormheim
hollow dock
Genn is still gung ho. He wants to wipe em all out.
hollow dock
but. He sees something happen.
zealous basalt
1 actually
bold steeple
LOT of shit has happened since then
hollow dock
Something he didn't expect. Nor thought was possible.
bold steeple
what is he doing NOW
bold steeple
you can't say "HE DID SOMETHING SIX MONTHS AGO" and act like that's a point
hollow dock
No hate.
junior prairie
Lordaeron still makes it seem like he is gung ho..
bold steeple
okay sure
BUT
then Sylvanas attacks and he kinda goes back to "eh, maybe the Forsaken ARE dicks"
hollow dock
Beal if you don't want to know HOW A CHARACTER GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT THEN DON'T ASK QUESTIONS
junior prairie
he would of snapped at everyone there if Anduin didn't "leash" him
bold steeple
okay so what is he doing about that
dense plover
he sees sylvanas kill her own people
junior prairie
...can Alleria be the one to vs sylvie :3
dense plover
what do you expect him to do?
bold steeple
sitting around in Stormwind thinking really hard isn't really DOING anything
hollow dock
His ire at the end of this all is directed ONLY to Sylvanas at this point.
dense plover
he cant single handedly enter ogrimmar and kill sylvanas
dense plover
and anduin doesnt want him to
bold steeple
I'm saying
bold steeple
give him something interesting to do
hollow dock
as no horde plot needs to progress
bold steeple
idk what
hollow dock
Yes but to do that, a horde plot needs toe xist for the alliance to push.
bold steeple
not give him something interesting to do in Stormheim six months ago
give him something interesting NOW
uncut vault
killing rastakhan is p interesting
dense plover
^
dense plover
waiting for the but
junior prairie
Honest question, but why is Alleria stuck to war talent tree npc...she should be out there active...she's probably one of the best tools Alliance has
bold steeple
I just feel like Rastakhan wasn't exactly Genn's enemy
hollow dock
called it
zealous basalt
You could have everyone do something
dense plover
THEY DONT HAVE A FLEET
bold steeple
they gave him something to do, but not necessarily something he cares about as much
zealous basalt
DUDE
dense plover
WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO?
zealous basalt
QE ARENT THE WRITTERS
zealous basalt
Arathi is not
bold steeple
FAR more relevant
zealous basalt
His
dense plover
arathi is not more relevant
zealous basalt
That would be too easy
hollow dock
If I remmeber he does go to Darkshore to help Tyrande
uncut vault
he personally doesnt, but he sends the gilneans
hollow dock
ah okkie
uncut vault
all the peeps from the starting zone are there
bold steeple
he took Teldrassil pretty personally
dense plover
he is busy prepping for the siege of zuldazar
so he sends some troops to make sure tyrande doesnt die
uncut vault
Whats the red lines?
dense plover
and to try to kill nathanos
stiff vector
roads
junior prairie
@stiff vector I know it isn't...but I want that red to be lava XD
bold steeple
see, all of this is sounding like it makes more sense
bold steeple
I guess maybe I just have unrealistic expectations
dense plover
100%
stiff vector
this is pre-cataclysm stormsong
hollow dock
You absolutely do.
stiff vector
don't be silly @dense plover
bold steeple
it's dumb that characters spend an entire patch sitting on their thumbs
hollow dock
The alliance isn't allowed to moveuntil the horde does.
bold steeple
but there's only so much development time
dense plover
this isnt a singleplayer game
junior prairie
deathwing = lava then..confirmed? D:
dense plover
they cant have constant story
hollow dock
they have to pick and choose
dense plover
it would have to be dripfed
hollow dock
and they picked horde for now
dense plover
and then people would complain about that
so either, weekly quest chains, or all content at launch
bold steeple
Well, sure, people would complain about anything
WoW development is a no-win scenario regardless
uncut vault
cough
bold steeple
somebody will always be unhappy about something, guaranteed
hollow dock
What I find really funny right.
is that, if they do switch to alliance focus for story telling
everyone would call for unfair treatment on the horde side
uncut vault
they did in Legion
dense plover
constant back and forth
bold steeple
Even though Horde's been getting its hand held since BfA prepatch
uncut vault
people called Legion massive alliance bias
dense plover
jesus, realms are still down
junior prairie
So there was a cloth crown I think data-mined for the stormsong raid...and now https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/800782.jpg
I'm sure that head-pieces in that raid are gonna be crowns
or least I hope so
junior prairie
I'm thinking head pieces for that raid is gonna be crowns
junior prairie
which omg I'd love
uncut vault
valkyr are in the shadowlands after they die
dense plover
junior prairie
@uncut vault as there own species?
dense plover
what model is this?
stormdragon?
oh
it works on wowhead
though i think its not colored right
junior prairie
@dense plover looks like the stormheim storm dragons
hollow dock
Yes that is a Strom Dragon
dense plover
its glorious