beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

but im not saying it as an excuse

its a fact

the weapon type was added for DHs exclusively

and the animations only support DHs

[jovial skiff]

yeah basically just shaman, but others can equip them if the ywant to

[zealous basalt]

monks doesnt have an exclusive thing tho

[jovial skiff]

frost dk can fist right

[zealous basalt]

Look good =/= Made for a certain class

no

[hollow dock]

monks were made for fists

notthe other way around

[dense plover]

literally only shamans and monks

warriors can probably use them

[hollow dock]

warriors

hunters

[dense plover]

but since there are no strength fist weapons

[hollow dock]

rogues IIRC

[manic horizon]

Outlaw Rogue

[zealous basalt]

Ye

Outlaw rogue can

but doesn't look good on it

[hollow dock]

Yes there are peach

[jovial skiff]

warriors can but shouldnt
but they can

[hollow dock]

there are strength fist weps

just like theres a strength staff

[dense plover]

glaives were added for DHs

thats all that my point is

[jovial skiff]

yeah I get you

[dense plover]

its completely irrelevant to other stuff, its just a fact of how they were implemented

they have a different hitbox and hold area

[jovial skiff]

like, glaives were specifically made and added for demon hunters with the exception being illidans blades from black temple

[dense plover]

actually those are special

[dense plover]

and they even added a separate verrsion for DHs

[jovial skiff]

theyre technically a sword right?

yeah I saw that

[dense plover]

those are, yes

but there is a glaive version if you get both

[hollow dock]

blizzard didn't make Xal'alathette

so its not canon

[dense plover]

so that you can have the fancy animations as a DH with his war glaives

[zealous basalt]

WAIT

IS THERE A XAL'ALATHETTE ALREADY?

[calm plank]

dunno

[hollow dock]

no there isn't

[manic horizon]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[zealous basalt]

:C

[hollow dock]

it's just the fact that shes a void elf now

[calm plank]

wouldn't be surprised tbh

[zealous basalt]

Yes but we still need a xal'alathete

[hollow dock]

no

we dont

[calm plank]

yes

we do

[hollow dock]

no

we don't

[calm plank]

yes

we do

[hollow dock]

no

we don't

[zealous basalt]

ILLIDAN DIED FOR THIS

[calm plank]

yes

[hollow dock]

no

[calm plank]

we do

[hollow dock]

we don't

[calm plank]

yes

[dense plover]

who cares?

[hollow dock]

no

[calm plank]

we do

I care

[hollow dock]

we don't

[dense plover]

i have no fucks to give

[hollow dock]

then leave

[strange falcon]

illidan isnt ded yet tho

[dense plover]

i care about other stuff tho

[zealous basalt]

this is hilarious

[jovial skiff]

Illidan is eating sargeras soul so he can come back and actually just be sargeras but cooler

[zealous basalt]

Des tellign peach to leave when we were offtopic

[dense plover]

^

[calm plank]

ironic isn't it

[zealous basalt]

thats like breaking into a house

[hollow dock]

Indeed it is

now no

[zealous basalt]

and kicking the owner

[hollow dock]

we don't need more filth

[jovial skiff]

Then leave

[hollow dock]

illidan was never cool tho

[calm plank]

illidan

more like

edge master

[jovial skiff]

basically

[zealous basalt]

I thought you were going to say

Illidette

[calm plank]

y e s

[jovial skiff]

Anyways back to the real deep lore here

[hollow dock]

N O

[jovial skiff]

Why can draenei be demon hunters?

or
uh
anybody else?

[zealous basalt]

I mean,

[calm plank]

I think you forgot something here

[hollow dock]

noone elseisa DH cuz Illidan was the first

Illidan taught all the DHs that exist

[jovial skiff]

yeah I know

[zealous basalt]

yeah

[jovial skiff]

and he only chose elves, right?

[zealous basalt]

respect my OC

[hollow dock]

Illidan never taughtthe Draenei

Yes

that's it.

[manic horizon]

When he started it up, the Dranei weren't on Azeroth yet.

[jovial skiff]

I'm asking
A: why not
and B: they could be if he taught them right?

[calm plank]

(tbh I would love a rogue eredar that's fighting against the legion)

(but it's a bit late now isn't it)

[hollow dock]

He doesn't trust non-elves

[calm plank]

wow racism

[jovial skiff]

no wait

[hollow dock]

there's nothing saying no race can becomea DH

[calm plank]

I mean that's pretty much the basis of wow

[jovial skiff]

he doesnt trust elves sure fine
but he DOES trust Blood Elves? How the hell

[hollow dock]

but there weren't actualDraenei on Outland when he opened his schools

and eventhen

no self-respecting DRAENEI would steep to demon blood

cuz ya know

they're very against that

[dense plover]

wait

[zealous basalt]

I wonder if we are going to see Teldrassil's fire extinguished

[calm plank]

depends who you ask

[dense plover]

there were draenei

the fuck are you on vris?

outland/draenor had draenei way back then

[hollow dock]

The broken where there

[dense plover]

broken came from draenei

[hollow dock]

but the Draenei, such as Velen's ilk, left

[calm plank]

I would love a scenario where you go to a still burning/burnt out teldrassil

[hollow dock]

WAY before Illidan went there

[jovial skiff]

well you say that but its sort of a super significant thing in the Lgion that they have some draenei
like you know
archi
and kil

[dense plover]

uh

shattrath

[hollow dock]

was abandoned

[dense plover]

some draenei stayed in outland

[hollow dock]

Those that did becmae the broken that illidan recruited

[dense plover]

theres the outpost in zangarmarsh'

[hollow dock]

the draenei returned to Outland at a laterdate and inhabitedit

[dense plover]

im fairly certain some draenei stayed behind

[hollow dock]

that's the lore from chronicles.

[jovial skiff]

Like, im not saying it has to be Velens groupe that become demon hunters
just any person of that race who decided "hey, FUCK the burning legion."

[dense plover]

huh

nvm

im very wrong

i didnt realize the legion ever left outland

apparently they left

then came back to use it as an azeroth staging ground

[hollow dock]

When the dark portal opened

which was why we went through in the first place

[dense plover]

who re-opened the portal?

illidan?

[terse patrol]

Well, the Legion reopened it

[jovial skiff]

Medivh?

[hollow dock]

I think it was the Legion

[terse patrol]

^

Whats his face

Uh

[dense plover]

weird that it took them so long i guess

[hollow dock]

but yea Sky

Draenei are very hateful of Demons

they wouldn't stoop to them

[jovial skiff]

excpet the ones that arent

eredar I guess

[hollow dock]

cuz that's how you get eredar

[terse patrol]

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Doom_Lord_Kazzak

[jovial skiff]

but its the same race

[terse patrol]

He reopened it

[dense plover]

broken are considered lesser

because they lost their connection to the light

[hollow dock]

Eredar aren't the same race

not anymore

[jovial skiff]

and they look more or less the same
so an eredar/draenei demon hunter would be cool
thats all I was trying to get at
I want more options for demon hunters basically

[dense plover]

might happen eventually

not soon tho

because they would have to have a different intro or something

[jovial skiff]

let me get that worgen demon hunter aight bruh

[dense plover]

maybe something tied to bronze drakes

[hollow dock]

^

[dense plover]

idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous basalt]

ugg

[jovial skiff]

gimme a uhhhhhh death knight demon hunter too

[zealous basalt]

again with bronze dragon abuse

[dense plover]

there could be a thing with bronze drakes sending you back disguised as a blood elf/night elf

and then after leaving the scenario they could have 1 transfer quest where you disguise breaks after leaving the warden prison

and how they want your help anyway because you are skilled

[jovial skiff]

or the post-illidan illidari are taking new recruits from anybody willing

[dense plover]

etc etc

that requires way more work sky

[jovial skiff]

sure

[dense plover]

having you disguised using a buff and then have like 2 or 3 intro quests is way easier

[terse patrol]

I think the Alliance is going to get their own chance to get an allied race from Draenor eventually

(lets hope)

[dense plover]

doubtfil

[zealous basalt]

We already have the draenei there

[dense plover]

horde has the artifact needed to open it

[zealous basalt]

and don't start with garrosh from the au

[dense plover]

and we closed it for good i think

[terse patrol]

we could steal it

[strange falcon]

inb4 arakkoa from wod for alliance

[dense plover]

what race is there to even get?

[terse patrol]

^

[jovial skiff]

a bronze boi could go back in time to before its closed!

[zealous basalt]

lets not hurt the timelines more

[terse patrol]

Arakkoa pls

[hollow dock]

wehaveno way to get there Honk

[dense plover]

bronze drakes cant interfere with themselves

[hollow dock]

is the issue

[dense plover]

it causes a paradox

[terse patrol]

Blizzard bullshitted a way for the Horde to go there Des

[zealous basalt]

you know

[dense plover]

they didnt bullshit

[zealous basalt]

those things that can destroy the world

[hollow dock]

they did

[terse patrol]

^

[dense plover]

they used the same artifact that was used ian the first place

[hollow dock]

etrigg had noway of knowingor having it

yes

garroshs'

[dense plover]

eitrigg didnt have it

[uncut vault]

They literally just gave it to Eitrigg out of nowhere

[terse patrol]

Put your Horde bias aside Peach

[hollow dock]

One that was 'lost'

You get it from Etrigg

he somehow has it

[terse patrol]

^

[hollow dock]

which is never explained

[manic horizon]

Didn't the artifact only have enough juice for the one trip?

[hollow dock]

It did but

How the horde got it

is never explaiend

they just have it

cuz fuck you

[zealous basalt]

It doesn't go with the main story even

[terse patrol]

All they gotta do is have some Dragon (who ends up going infinite later) give the Alliance a way to go there.

[zealous basalt]

Just like

"o"

[dense plover]

oh

[zealous basalt]

"i forgot"

[dense plover]

apparently he does just have a fragment

no clue how

[hollow dock]

Exactly

[dense plover]

thats a bit bullshit

[zealous basalt]

"hero come here"

[hollow dock]

the horde gets what they want

[zealous basalt]

not a bit

[hollow dock]

cuz it's the horde. they're the writers favorites

[zealous basalt]

the whole scenario is a big bullcrap

[dense plover]

its just brown orcs

[zealous basalt]

At what cost?

[hollow dock]

the high elves are just white skinned void elves

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut vault]

It’s already basically guaranteed that we’re gonna have another way through anyways, since the lightbound will 100% come to our timeline at some point

[zealous basalt]

The worst writting in history?

[dense plover]

do we need MORE fucking elves?

[hollow dock]

yes

[dense plover]

how many elves do we need?

[uncut vault]

Yes

[hollow dock]

Do we need more orcs?

Do we need morehumans?

more trolls?

[zealous basalt]

We need dragons

[hollow dock]

more furries?

[zealous basalt]

Give them their old glory

[terse patrol]

The Alliance loses two lore characters in WoD, the Horde only “lose” alt history characters, and later get a big population boost of Orcs from WoD.

[tropic trail]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[terse patrol]

”the alliance isnt allowed to get anything from WoD sorry”

[zealous basalt]

Basically Alliance is useless from getting anything from a story where they worked more than horde

[dense plover]

we had 1 set of orcs

we have 2

but we have 4 sets of elves now

[uncut vault]

The “more elves” argument only works because they’re actually called elves, in reality it’s two night elves, two blood elves so far. High/blood/void elves are as evolved from night elves as night elves are to trolls

[hollow dock]

And both sides have 2 sets of elves

[terse patrol]

the Horde have more elves population wise now

Thanks for Teldrassil btw

[zealous basalt]

We have 2 elves

Darnassian and Thalassian

[jovial skiff]

eh maybe not honk

[zealous basalt]

The rest are derivates

[jovial skiff]

remember there really arent many bloodies left after uhh
you know
tehre was a scourging

[tulip sun]

I don't mind more elves

[uncut vault]

Don’t worry Blizz has already cooked up a new batch of night elves to counter the horde in Darkshore

[hollow dock]

not really

they just converted the survivors into night warriors

[jovial skiff]

at least its just a new eye color

[uncut vault]

Once again, population doesn’t really matter, it’s molded to what Blizz wants

[zealous basalt]

Make all of them op

[manic horizon]

The only Alliance friendly race still on Alt-Draenor that would be likely to actually be used would be the Lightbound. And since there's already the Lightforged, I doubt Blizzard would want to give you a third type of Dranei.

[jovial skiff]

and not a new race

[terse patrol]

Horde have Quel’thalas and a big city of elves. Nelves got genocided, but we also have a ragtag team of elf goths

Totally equivalent

[zealous basalt]

Lightbond are just diff name of Lightforged

The only bullshit we could get is the bullshit no one wants

[jovial skiff]

give ally lightbound
orcs

[zealous basalt]

lightbond orcs

[terse patrol]

Look

[tulip sun]

Practically all possuble races are a.repeat...

[oak wraith]

Is this #beta-ptr-spoilers or #spurious-wishfull-thinking?

[jovial skiff]

what about sneks

[zealous basalt]

PTR spoilers

[jovial skiff]

and
furry goblins

[zealous basalt]

Ehh they could go alliance

[terse patrol]

All I want is for the Lightbound to move to Azeroth. Give us Lightbound Arakkoa.

[zealous basalt]

Although

[terse patrol]

And Yrel can lead the Lightforged

[tulip sun]

No

[zealous basalt]

Velen could scold Yrel back to being nice

[tulip sun]

Fareeya is fine

[hollow dock]

Turalyon*

leads thelightforged

tyvm

[tulip sun]

That's true

Telaamon dies RIP

[zealous basalt]

Alright i leave for eat

[terse patrol]

He might die tho just to make Alleria more “independent”

[tulip sun]

Poor Blademaster

[zealous basalt]

You meanwhile

[hollow dock]

have Yrel take telaamon'splace

and done

she's already independant

what

[zealous basalt]

Say how BS is Orc scenario

What

[tulip sun]

Lightbound merge with Lightforged

[zealous basalt]

Alleria is more independant than Turalyon

[hollow dock]

^

[terse patrol]

Anyways, I want Arakkoa. First race to have a built in flight form

[hollow dock]

I forgetthat honk says stupid things

[zealous basalt]

That would be dragons my m8

[terse patrol]

hokay

[zealous basalt]

That's what alliance need

black dragons

...but we can't have nice things

[hollow dock]

no they dont

no playable dragons

playable dragonsgimp dragons even more

stop gimping them

[terse patrol]

Arakkoa, not dragons ffs

[zealous basalt]

Better extinct them

[hollow dock]

No

enough Mak

[zealous basalt]

before blizzard does something really shitty

[hollow dock]

honestly. enough

take your own advice and shut up about it

[zealous basalt]

No, its bullcrap and you know it

[hollow dock]

Take your own advice Mak

[zealous basalt]

inner peace

breathes

[terse patrol]

The closest we’d ever get to dragons is Drakonids

[zealous basalt]

ANYWAYS

[hollow dock]

that I would be OK with

[zealous basalt]

We know Alliance win in the end tho

[terse patrol]

Nah

[zealous basalt]

And I hope it remains like that

[terse patrol]

I think Blizz will pull a “N’zoth arrives and the war is over because the apocalypse has arrived”

And the Alliance/Horde have to fight for survival

Ion said it himself

“Whats there go win if theres nothing left”

[dense plover]

i mean

[terse patrol]

to win*

[dense plover]

yeah

thats been pretty obvious

[hollow dock]

pride

[jovial skiff]

I think we will stay enemies until the final raid
and then NEXT xpac we team up again

[hollow dock]

which is what Ion also said

[dense plover]

how do you end a war without a winner? apocalypse

end the world

make it so war is not an option

[jovial skiff]

sort of like WoD and the big raid being a sort of lead in to legion with Gul Dan

[dense plover]

maybe not literally end of the world

[terse patrol]

Blizz likely wants a reason to “fix” the overworld

[hollow dock]

which honestly is a real shitty copout

[dense plover]

but yeah i expect a full nzoth expac

i mean

[jovial skiff]

too much water

7/10

[dense plover]

i think we will see heavy losses on both sides before this tho

like both factions will be fatigued from war, lots of lost lives, low resources

suddenly a motherfucking old god

[terse patrol]

The expac likely ends with N’zoth launching an invasion on the world

[dense plover]

everyone is suddenly fully fucked

only option is to team up

hopefully at this point saurfang is war chief

[jovial skiff]

lol

just kill him

he deserves peace

[dense plover]

saurfang breaks out from prison

we already know this

also, an orc dying out of combat is worse than death

its dishonorable

[hollow dock]

wel

Well

So far

"Breaks"

we have no ideawhat happened

[dense plover]

escapes some how

we dont know yet

[terse patrol]

Well

[hollow dock]

I bet anduin left the key

[terse patrol]

We know the “basics” from PTR files

So

[dense plover]

he might just be released, but he leaves a bit too much destruction in his wake for it to seem like its anduin's intention

we will find out i imagine at some point

[terse patrol]

The player (probably Alliance) gives Saurfang a cloak. The player wears a matching one, and you split up while assassins pursue you, to take the heat off Saurfang.

Then

The Horde finds out he escaped

[dense plover]

uh

no

[terse patrol]

And sends the Horde player to find him

[dense plover]

that scenario text is horde

all of the saurfang text we have is horde because its in the context of zekhan and sylvanas

[terse patrol]

The only scenario text we have is of the Horde side

[dense plover]

yeah

[terse patrol]

You haven’t seen the items

[dense plover]

theres like 2 items

[hollow dock]

AH OK

so

he's not saying its fact

he's theorizing it

[terse patrol]

^

[hollow dock]

without saying he's theorizing it

[dense plover]

oh

yeah that wasnt clear

[terse patrol]

I’m pretty sure Anduin will likely have the Alliance player help him “break out” of prison.

[tulip sun]

I am sad

Saurfang kills Lyana v.v

[hollow dock]

Why is that sad?

[tulip sun]

Stop killing dark rangersssssss

[terse patrol]

she deserves it

[tulip sun]

I like undead elves e.e

[hollow dock]

You do realize that there's an infinite amountof dark rangers right?

[tulip sun]

But she is like....an older one

[hollow dock]

So?

There's more of them than the 1 you lose

[tulip sun]

Ya.

But we have lost several lately. Oh,

[hollow dock]

Not really

[tulip sun]

I also like that we see Velonara in the belf scenario

[hollow dock]

the only one to actually have been killed was

[tulip sun]

As an alive ranger

It is cool

[hollow dock]

Lyana

[tulip sun]

The alliance kills one

In Nazmir

[hollow dock]

Oh no

you've lost 2

[jovial skiff]

You know, I like Sylvanas. I really do.
But man does she need to get another ass whoopin.

[hollow dock]

so sad

so horrifying. How will you ever get your allied race.

Oh wait

[dense plover]

or she could just retire

[hollow dock]

sees the millions out in the battlefields

[tulip sun]

Can we be nice for once? Seriously, don't need to act like that.

[hollow dock]

No.

[tulip sun]

You do you then.

[hollow dock]

It's an incredibly trivial thing to be sadover

[jovial skiff]

you sound so sour

[uncut vault]

A lot of the dark ranger deaths in Legion were retconned

[hollow dock]

I get that a lot.

or they were just re-risen

[uncut vault]

Alina was one of the bosses in the warden towers, she’s alive and well as Sylvanas’ queensguard in 8.1

[tulip sun]

Alina, yes. She is on the uh...

What is the ships name?

[hollow dock]

I mean. is that a retcon

She was just there.

[jovial skiff]

big-ugly-two-balloons

that ship?

[hollow dock]

World quests and how they end doesn't necessarily mean canon

[jovial skiff]

or actual water ship

[tulip sun]

The uh, the ship. e.e

She is there in 8.1

War campaign one

[hollow dock]

but yea.

Some elves dying is nothing new

[tulip sun]

You can see her.in the background when they are about to raise Derek

Or I think that is it

[hollow dock]

why care about these so much is what I wonder

[jovial skiff]

tbh more elves should die

[uncut vault]

Banshees Wail

[hollow dock]

they should. they're a plague as seen in D&D

[tulip sun]

I just like em, nothing to deep about it Vris.

[jovial skiff]

yep

[tulip sun]

But it is war

People die

[hollow dock]

Deep enough to type small little laments for them dying

[jovial skiff]

and its spreading
we had two elf races that were already very commonly played and its just keeps growing!

[tulip sun]

Vris, let it go

[hollow dock]

Only when you do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial skiff]

I was in darkshore on MY elf last night and they were leveling everywhere!

[tulip sun]

Delaryn is a dark ranger captain

It is neat to see....

Oh

[jovial skiff]

It was late too, owhere near peak hours for the server
and they were all over! Hundreds of the purple bastards.
All women too.

[tulip sun]

Delaryn killed a dark ranger too

She apparently knew who the elf was

[hollow dock]

Delaryn is hinted to have been over ten thousand years old

or at least 8-7 thousand years

cuz she knowsof the elves as they departed.

[tulip sun]

So that means

[hollow dock]

which isn't unheard of

[tulip sun]

This dark ranger was over 10k?

[hollow dock]

most of the night elves we see have existed

[tulip sun]

When they were exiled or whatever

[hollow dock]

since the exiling

and even war

[tulip sun]

I can't even remember who this dark ranger was.

[hollow dock]

She meant so much to you

[jovial skiff]

yeah, the general from the alliance campaign says something about war for 10,000 years iirc

maybe she reads 40k

[tulip sun]

I am just discussing Vris

Let's discuss nicely.

[hollow dock]

I am

[uncut vault]

Well, some night elves fought in the troll wars, and a good war gave high elves back their immortality

[jovial skiff]

no way man
woah I cant believe you noticed a cahracter who you thought was cool died and then you mentioned it haha youre so sad!!!11!

[hollow dock]

Do you honestly sense hostility/illwill fromme?

[uncut vault]

I don’t remember a specific passage about Delaryn personally remembering the highborne departing

[tulip sun]

Your just constantly mocking me about what I said about dark rangers. Just stop, is what I am asking.

[hollow dock]

I did. I just made a passingcomment

[tulip sun]

https://twitter.com/handclaw/status/1043969336053035009

handclaw (@handclaw)

I just realized that twitter resized the image A LOT. Took it apart for better viewing.

Twitter

I like these

[hollow dock]

what're they for?

[tulip sun]

Just some artist making race specific armor for classes

[hollow dock]

Oh.

Cool

[tulip sun]

This could be what potential armor looks like for a tauren themed warfront set...

That would be pretty neat.

[hollow dock]

Eh. They need to be more, and Ihate to say it, generic

[tulip sun]

Ya. Probably

But still very nice ideas.

[hollow dock]

yea they are

[tulip sun]

I want a tauren seer outfit...can never find one i kike.

Like*

[dense plover]

they are supposed to be racial armor sets for each armor type

not each class

[tulip sun]

They have a add icon under them

[hollow dock]

that's why we agree they need to be more generic, Peach

[tulip sun]

Oh crap

[dense plover]

so tauren ones will likely be wood, totems, feathers, tattoo stuff, hides, skulls, etc

[tulip sun]

I forgot about that nkw

Now*

Hm...

I hope cloth is designed for mainly priests, lol.

If this happened

[dense plover]

warfront sets are class agnostic

[tulip sun]

They still work for one class better usually

Like the orcish cloth for arathi seems more warlockish if I recall

[hollow dock]

it'salso shamansitic

[tulip sun]

Can't honestly remember what it looks like

I like the forsaken mail set....i am excited for that

[jovial skiff]

Im really excited for the new raid gear

[tulip sun]

I k ow it won't happen

[jovial skiff]

super jealous of cloth users right now

might have to start levleing a mage or lock

[tulip sun]

But I kinda wouldn't mind a tier based on nightborne....i like their style

[hollow dock]

if we get a raid of nightborne

slaughtering everyone

prolly thaly

sure. we'll get it

[tulip sun]

I was thinking more warfront, but sure xD

[hollow dock]

wouldn't be a tier then

[jovial skiff]

tiers are dead

[zealous basalt]

What did I miss besides dissing horde

[jovial skiff]

for now

[hollow dock]

no they aren't

Uldir is a tierof raiding

tier sets are dead

[jovial skiff]

yeah

[zealous basalt]

Class armor sets

[hollow dock]

Raid tiers stillexist

[jovial skiff]

okay sorry I wasnt specific enough
obviously uldir is a raid tier and we have some pvp tiers right now too of course
but class tier sets are dead for now

hopefully they come back asap

[zealous basalt]

Nah

[jovial skiff]

because uldir plate is yucky

[hollow dock]

yea we weren't tlaking class sets

[zealous basalt]

We are cool with raid themed sets

[jovial skiff]

"we"

[tulip sun]

I don't know terms

Sorry

[zealous basalt]

Rather than silly remakes of BC

[jovial skiff]

ok yeah all the BC remakes was a little much
a cool idea though and some of them are really nice

[tulip sun]

I would like n ightborne themed armor though

[jovial skiff]

surprised DK didnt get a Naxx remake directly
but I guess they did back in wotlk

[tulip sun]

And great eagles for horde

[hollow dock]

Dks didn't get a remake in naxx

[jovial skiff]

I didnt mean in naxx

[tulip sun]

Ooohhh. I hope one day they make like...vicious flying mounts

[jovial skiff]

I mean a remake of the vanilla naxx gear that (since obviosuly DK wasnt around for us) was used by warriors

Scourgelords battleplate I think its called

I'm wrong, it's dreadnoughts battlegear for tier 3

[hollow dock]

They already have Kham

but they only existed up until MoP

WoD didnt have flying vicious mounts

but Legion did

BChad Nether Drakes, WotLK had Bone Drakes, Cata had Twilight Drakes, MoP had Cloud Serpents, WoD had Gronn, Legion had Storm Drakes.

No idea what BFA got

[zealous basalt]

Proto

[hollow dock]

so Proto-dragons are for BFA

[jovial skiff]

bfa has proto drakes

[hollow dock]

which are also flyingmounts

[zealous basalt]

flying gronns pls

[jovial skiff]

thats not a vicious mount though
i thought they were talking like the vicious saddle mounts

not a gladiator mount

[hollow dock]

Oh those

those are supposed to be racial mounts tho

[tulip sun]

Ya, like armored flying racial mounts

-looks to the great eagle- That is all I truly want

Seriously

[hollow dock]

get a morpher then

[jovial skiff]

Not really racial imo
whose race has riverbeast?

[tulip sun]

It should have been given to people in legionnnn

[hollow dock]

hence why I said

supposed

[jovial skiff]

aight

[tulip sun]

I mean, some are not racial

But most are

[hollow dock]

the riverbeast and the fox are the onlyones not racial

all the otherones are

[jovial skiff]

also vicious gyphon would work
vicious drakes
vicious idk
war bat?

[tulip sun]

Drakes?

Who has vicious drakes?

[hollow dock]

We already got a bat from Pre-patch

[jovial skiff]

nobody

[hollow dock]

and the hippogryph

[jovial skiff]

and we already have 1000000 horses but that isnt stopping them

[hollow dock]

We really don't lol

[jovial skiff]

ok we dont literally have that many you caught me wow

[hollow dock]

We honestly have more dragons

than horses

[tulip sun]

I am thinking the Kul tiran vicious mount will be a horse.

[hollow dock]

inb4 Vicious Gryphon

[jovial skiff]

butm an theres a lot of horses
at least dragons are cool and theres more variation it seems
with proto and non proto and all that

[zealous basalt]

A war horse

with cannons

and swors

[jovial skiff]

but
horse
brown horse
armored horse
etc

[tulip sun]

We have a vicious Maghar mount and dark iron one supposedly incoming

[hollow dock]

how are horses not cool?

Isn't that entirely subjective?

[tulip sun]

So the 4 originally ARs and 2 upcoming ones need their mountssss

And horses can be great

Just depends

[jovial skiff]

There are some cool horses, sure

but theres a lot of not cool horses too

like
brown steed

[zealous basalt]

Yeah, because most of them don't have the graphic updat

[jovial skiff]

all of the basic color changes
oh man that too

ugh

[hollow dock]

Again, how is it notcool?

[zealous basalt]

That doesn't mean they suck

[hollow dock]

^

[jovial skiff]

didnt say they suck

said they werent as cool

I think boring brown horse you spend 1 gold to get is
boring

[hollow dock]

Yea but that's entirely subjective.

[jovial skiff]

so?

[zealous basalt]

Because its like

[hollow dock]

the whole point was that it's subjective

[zealous basalt]

The first mount you get

[hollow dock]

but you presented it as if it were an objective thing. Like all horses are just boring so they shouldn't do them

[jovial skiff]

then theres no point to be made
nearly anything we discuss will be subjective

of course my mount preference is subjective

[zealous basalt]

We discuss facts sometimes

[hollow dock]

Not entirely. The point we are reaching here is that: jus tbecause you don't like it doesn't mean they shouldn't add more of it.

[jovial skiff]

My point isnt all horses are bad and suck and i hate them
my point is we have so many already, i want something else new please thanks
and they do add new stuff
we have crawgs now
theyre ugly and stupid and I want one

[hollow dock]

see there it is again.

[sullen dagger]

why all horses are bad?

dude

you dont like horses

[hollow dock]

saying they're bad and suck is wrong. You jus tdon't like them.

that's fine

[sullen dagger]

period

[dense plover]

^

[jovial skiff]

yall are being dumb right now

[hollow dock]

We're not

[dense plover]

no

youre using opinion words wrong

something isnt X or Y. you just dont like it

[jovial skiff]

I just said
I dont hate all horses
we have so many already though
please give us more variety in the type of animal

And they gave us crawgs

[hollow dock]

and that's fine

[jovial skiff]

which are ugly
and I do like them

[dense plover]

there is a crawg mount

[jovial skiff]

right

and I want it

[hollow dock]

I also would want more variety than horses

[dense plover]

then go get it

[jovial skiff]

Im trying

drop rates and all that, you know?

[dense plover]

also, pretty sure they plan to do other mounts next patch

i dont think its gonna be all horses

[jovial skiff]

I really really like the Tomb Stalker
but no drop yet

[zealous basalt]

Alliance will get bees

[jovial skiff]

I hope

[zealous basalt]

Take that horde

[jovial skiff]

bees are hilarious

I want that too

In fact, there are a lot of mounts ive seen flight masters using that im not sure we have

[dense plover]

bee mount is going to happen

theyve teased it several times

pretty sure they teased it in the 8.1 announcement even

[jade basalt]

Ion confirmed bee mount was coming

[jovial skiff]

nice

What do you think kul tirans and zandalaris will get?

[dense plover]

kul tirans get a fancy horse

which yes

is a horse

[zealous basalt]

Kul'tirans get a realyl fancy horse

[dense plover]

but its VERY fancy

[jovial skiff]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

but yeah, i expected it

[zealous basalt]

And I suppose Zandalari get

a fancy raptor

[jovial skiff]

it has a horn right?

raptors are cool

[zealous basalt]

no

[jovial skiff]

oh

[strange falcon]

no,it has braids tho

[jovial skiff]

hmm

[zealous basalt]

Its a normal horse

with pretty braids

[jovial skiff]

Isnt there a new unicorn?

[zealous basalt]

and some stuff on the butt

[jovial skiff]

in BfA

[hollow dock]

the unicorns wer ein legion

[strange falcon]

yes

for 100 reps @jovial skiff

the blue/white unicorn

[dense plover]

zandalari will either get a raptor or a triceratops

[zealous basalt]

So raptors r cool even if there are a bunch of them around da place

ok

[dense plover]

i hope its a triceratops

direhorn

[jovial skiff]

theres not as many raptors as anything else

for alliance at least

[dense plover]

well duh

[jovial skiff]

Ah here we go
very fancy

[dense plover]

raptors are horde

just like horses are alliance

[jovial skiff]

yeah

[dense plover]

raptors are the horde's horses

[jovial skiff]

and wolfs are also horse

[zealous basalt]

you can get raptors for alliance too¨

[dense plover]

actually

thats wolves

[zealous basalt]

In every troll raid

[dense plover]

but raptors are a close second

[zealous basalt]

And im calling it that we are going to get some fancy mount in Siege of Zuldazar

[jovial skiff]

also world rares in arathi can give a raptor or two

[tulip sun]

Yup

[hollow dock]

2 raptors

[jovial skiff]

so if this is supposed to be the allied race
then what was the other one? npc only horse?

[zealous basalt]

No

That is the collector edition

mount for alliance

Horde receive a raptor

oof, did i say collector?

I meant deluxe

[tulip sun]

I am hoping we see more variety of dino mounts

[jovial skiff]

hmm

yeah, baby t rex would be cool

[dense plover]

well a direhorn is coming

[jovial skiff]

almost a raptor but bigger head

[hollow dock]

gimme devilsaur

[dense plover]

the baby one you take care of early on is getting more quests in 8.1

and we got pterrorsaurs

[strange falcon]

naisu

[zealous basalt]

very naiseu

[tulip sun]

I meant bruto specifically e.e

[dense plover]

we wont see a different brutosaur probably

just like grand expedition yak doesnt really have an equivalent

[tulip sun]

A normal one....perhaps armored. I can dream

[dense plover]

regular yaks arent that close

[hollow dock]

"I want more variety"

"By that I mean just one specific dino"

=p

[dense plover]

i do want more brutosaurs

i want one i can afford

[zealous basalt]

hah

[dense plover]

just so i can jurassic park 24/7

[tulip sun]

Brutos are the only dino without several mounts

[hollow dock]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Devilsaur?

[dense plover]

also compy guys

[hollow dock]

dimetrodon?

Saurids?

[dense plover]

dimetrodons are lizards

[hollow dock]

thunderbeasts

[dense plover]

sort of

technically dimetrodons are neither lizards nor dinos

they weird

but they dont have any mounts

[tulip sun]

None of those exactly serve as functioning mounts even in zandalar

[dense plover]

😭

[hollow dock]

they can tho

and they are dinos without multiple mounts

[dense plover]

they could use the basilisk mount stuff for dimetrodons

[tulip sun]

Devilsaurs, even Zandalari can barely keep tame.

[hollow dock]

yet we hunters can

IMO

if we can tame it as a pet

we should get it as a mount

vice versa

[zealous basalt]

I want Hati

At least some indicator that the pup is okay

[jade basalt]

@dense plover Zandalari are either getting a raptor or a triceratops
Zandalari are getting a MoP direhorn but with golden ornaments and seat

[dense plover]

yeah

figured

[jade basalt]

This one https://i.redd.it/8pae4oiuifc01.jpg

[dense plover]

they havent redone the model

RIGHT

i remember

tbh it looks nice

it has an updated texture, so its not like theyre reusing the mop skin and horn texture quality

and im glad its not the deluxe edition raptor

that would make me sad

[strange falcon]

btw,horde gets 2 questlines to nurture dinos into mounts

and alliance gets horses:the horsening

[zealous basalt]

I want to do that with a small horse too

Like the cloud serpents

[ornate tendon]

i did 1 questline for a dino

there's two?

[dense plover]

the baby direhorn quest

in zuldazar

[ornate tendon]

yeah mine is "sleeping" atm

[dense plover]

yeah

next part is in 8.1

[ornate tendon]

Poggers

[tulip sun]

Also the ptero

Gotta farm the egg

[strange falcon]

the ptero cant fly :p

[tulip sun]

It is defected

[dense plover]

i believe you teach it to fly in 8.1 also

[zealous basalt]

hax

[strange falcon]

H A X @dense plover

pics or it didnt happen

[dense plover]

gimme a sec

whats the name of the pterro?

[strange falcon]

kua fon

[dense plover]

thx

brb

guess im mistaken

i thought i remembered something about this

so i just noticed something

talanji text

Tell me, Otoye... how did these invaders breach our city?
They knew Dazar'alor as though they had been here before...
They struck without honor... they stole what they could carry, and destroyed what they could not.
I must know, Otoye... how did my father fall?

those two ones with ...

those are probably cinematics from the alliance side for the horde to see

[tulip sun]

Yup

[dense plover]

like with the jaina vision of the zandalari destroying their fleet

[tulip sun]

I love it

It is sad

But great story so fsr

I wonder if Telaamon will be one of the commanders in the final fight?

Someone in the forums convinced me he is in the raid rather than darkshore

[hollow dock]

There's no proof there's any lightforged in the raid tho

there is for Darkshore tho

[zealous basalt]

Hmm, what might be the reason that from 80-90 the leveling is fast af?

[hollow dock]

80-90 has always been reall fast

since the tail end of MoP

Like before 7/3/5 I would be able to hit 85 in Hyjal alone

and hit 90 in the Jade Forest

there's just a lot of XP in those zones

[zealous basalt]

I mean, I don't touch cata, only mop and i was 80 in the morning, now im halfway 85, dont get me wrong, its kinda cool too

And i just cant get bored of these missions

So I kinda want to know, did they explained why they went with 5 levels rather than 10 in Cata and MoP?

[heavy cairn]

I think in Cata they were trying something new

in MoP, it's just getting back to a multiple of ten to correct their mistake next expansion

Cata only added, what, five leveling zones?

maybe they just wanted, with exception of hyjal/vash'jir, 1 zone = 1 level

[tulip sun]

I mean....that quote about telaamon seems random now that I reread

[hollow dock]

the intended thing with cata was

1 level per zone

[jovial skiff]

lol

[hollow dock]

and MoP didn't have 10 zones to level in O.o

[heavy cairn]

ik

MoP just had a lot more choice in where you went

[hollow dock]

ah ok. misread what you typed

[heavy cairn]

I think it would've been 10 levels if not for the fact they wanted to get back on multiples of 10 for future expansions

it's hard to say whether they considered the fact that cata was linear a "mistake"

considering they repeated it in Draenor

[hollow dock]

Linear isn't bad

when it's handled poorly, yes it's bad

[heavy cairn]

how was it handled in cata? I don't really pay much attention to the quests I'm doing, just know they are fast

[hollow dock]

It wasn't linear lol

You just went to each zone, dealt with its issue

the day was solved until you get the message that you rprincess is in another castle and you moved on

WoD was the first time they actually made the zones "Linear"

in terms of the overarching story

[heavy cairn]

yea but I'm talking zone progression

not story

[zealous basalt]

dey be tied

[hollow dock]

Oh then that'd be all of the expansions

🤔

[heavy cairn]

not really, zone progression in cata is linear even if the story is not

[hollow dock]

Legion was the firs ttime to get rid of that

Yea

that's what I was saying

All the expacs were linear in progression

[heavy cairn]

you could choose your zones in TBC, Wrath, MoP

[hollow dock]

You do this zone, then this zone, then this zone

and no you couldn't

the most you got in wrath was just doing the other side of the continent

otherwise it was still inear

you still went in one straight line

[heavy cairn]

the level ranges of zones overlapped in wrath. you could most certainly skip stuff

[hollow dock]

whether you started in Borean or Howling

you would just go in a straight line towards Dragonblight and then into Icecrown

[zealous basalt]

You ended in Icecrown

[heavy cairn]

The two starting zones of Wrath / Cata are not part of my consideration

Wrath & Cata's two starting zones are just there to lift load from the servers

[zealous basalt]

no matter what route

[hollow dock]

You just went in a straight line. Again the only time this was not true was Legion

[zealous basalt]

Even right now

[hollow dock]

where you did get to openly choose to do zones and ignore others

[zealous basalt]

With all the flex leveling, it stills feels linear

[hollow dock]

it'll alway sfeel linear cuz levels exist

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[heavy cairn]

back before 7.3.5, I swear you could skip zones in Northrend

[zealous basalt]

Honestly tho, the leveling areas from cata feel nice being linear

[heavy cairn]

other than Howling Fjord / Borean ofc
not part of my consideration

[hollow dock]

By overleveling them yea

but that does NOT make it not linear

[jovial skiff]

you can easily skip zones in northrend

[hollow dock]

You could, by OVERLEVELING it BEFORE getting there

thus making you skip it

[jovial skiff]

of course

[zealous basalt]

Even if you rounded around

[hollow dock]

When it was current content however, Wrath was linear

So was BC.

[zealous basalt]

Somehow you always ended in Icecrown

[jovial skiff]

all roads lead to icecrown

[heavy cairn]

were the storm peaks not a valid zone

for leveling purposes, like they are now?

[hollow dock]

They were. But they gave you a level

or 2

back then

[zealous basalt]

They still send you to Icecrown at the end tho

[hollow dock]

and yea

it still sends you to icecrown at the end of it

Like I said, all expansions until legion had very linear questing

[zealous basalt]

If you think about it

[heavy cairn]

I see

[jovial skiff]

even legion youll always end in argus right?

[zealous basalt]

Legion could have a linear ending in

in

[hollow dock]

You dont level in argus

[jovial skiff]

you can choose what order to get there of course

[zealous basalt]

whatsthenameofthatzone

[heavy cairn]

we're talking about leveling content, not endgame content

[jovial skiff]

right

[hollow dock]

But for Legion's case, you didn't have to do all the zones

[zealous basalt]

Su-

Ah

yeah

[hollow dock]

As current content, you could actively ignore certain zones and still hit max level.

Which is not something other expacs had

[jovial skiff]

ok leveling only my bad

I'm certain you could skip zones in cata

[zealous basalt]

Always end in Twilight Highlands

[heavy cairn]

you definitely could. I leveled in cata when it was current, I could've skipped twilight highlands I'm sure

so many leftover quests each time I leveled, but I just left a zone before finishing story

and I didn't do dungeons or anything while leveling then

[jovial skiff]

END in twilight? uhhhh
man maybe im misremembering since i havent done any cata content in years but
idk

[heavy cairn]

twilight highlands was the intended last zone.

[zealous basalt]

I know Blizzard said they won't do another Cata-esque expac

[heavy cairn]

level range 84-85

[jovial skiff]

huh

what a garbage last zone tbh

[zealous basalt]

But does that mean that in the case of another world revamp, will be have few leveling areas in the last levels?

[heavy cairn]

I'm hoping that, if we get a world revamp, it is the result of a long effort started years ago

[jovial skiff]

What do you mean by "cata-esque"

[heavy cairn]

such that new, current zones are not skimped down on

[jovial skiff]

like, rather than one big new area a bunch of small scattered ones

[zealous basalt]

Cata esque

Like

A total Azeroth revamp

new textures and missions up to date

[heavy cairn]

I don't really care what they do

I just want them to let us skip northrend and outland completely

[jovial skiff]

ah
I like the revamps like that tbh

didnt they change some old BC stuff with WoD?

[heavy cairn]

make cata/mop 60-90; I'm certain it gives enough XP for that

[hollow dock]

but I like outland =(

[heavy cairn]

I like it, as well as Northrend, but I don't like the design principles used in those continents that somehow changed a lot for the better in the span of a few years

I don't think northrend or outland should be removed, just no longer recommended in the Adventure Guide and the level requirements for cata and mop lowered to 60

[hollow dock]

I think that's a mistake tbh

[heavy cairn]

I think the fact that 1-60 content is newer than 60-80 is the real mistake.

[hollow dock]

yes it is. But we can't fix that

and removing content from the new player experience is not the answer

[heavy cairn]

it's a bad new player experience

not in any way representative of the current game

[hollow dock]

neither is skipping the history of this game

that's also a disservice

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