So the only race we are missing are Arraoka
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
They just threw away Alliance participation in WoD thought?
They probably were the first to be extinct
Shadowy birds and at all
zinc sandal
They better not fucking mess with my Arakkoa
zealous basalt
And the timeline is sealed once more so...this may he the last of WoD we can see
tulip sun
I honestly wouldnt mind an expac or patch revolving around this threat
zealous basalt
We can imply that just like Grommash
tulip sun
The lightbound are defiantly returning
tulip sun
They set up another villain, which they are running out of
zealous basalt
And nah, it's too much issue if we go back to draenor
First of all, if Alliance goes there
That's a safe ally for them
zealous basalt
What xera did timed l337
Velen could just probably have a talk with Yrel about the light
And yrel respecting Alliance and Velen would chill
tulip sun
It would be nice not to lose Yrel
zealous basalt
Lightbound becomes part of alliance
tulip sun
But like
zealous basalt
We make a fuck up
tulip sun
Never saw them do much
zealous basalt
Not for Alliance
tulip sun
Surprised me
zealous basalt
Xera did it with Illidan
zinc sandal
I hope they come to Azeroth so we can wipe out all these heretics
zealous basalt
Blizzard wont show them because
They would have to pull a really shitty writting to make Yrel a big enemy
Yrel is not a big enemy
Yrel is a Turalyon that followed a Prime Naaru without a Illidan opening his eyes
tulip sun
I could see alliance "saving" Yrel
zealous basalt
Yes
And recruiting lightbound
And having a garrosh hellscream
No
Too many issues
It is better if they just seal that
zealous basalt
...dude
When I referred to the AU Garrosh
The one that is a lightbound
Do you want him to be Alliance?
Honestly do you see Lightbound orcs in Alliance?
This is just a bad meme
It is better if they dont mention Draenor anymore
tulip sun
We see a pightforged Ogre in the scenario
zinc sandal
We will never have orcs in the Alliance. Blizzard pretty much said that.
tulip sun
Lightforged
zealous basalt
Yes Mess
zealous basalt
But Lightbound donnt have only draenei
zinc sandal
We cannot though
zealous basalt
They have quite the races
Alliance somehow going into the current state of Draenor is a safe uniom
tulip sun
They can write upnsomething
zealous basalt
Union
No
We already see what shits they pull when they do time stuff
This just made WoD for alliance a waste of time
Gg Horde
Again you need bad writting to be relevant
tulip sun
What do you mean? @zealous basalt
tulip sun
Oh, no clue
hollow dock
So what was the discussion.
@tulip sun If things wer unchanged, the Botani, Ogron and Gronn were wipe dout.
tulip sun
Uh...what are you talking about e.e @hollow dock
That is MU Draenor
Gronn, Ogron, Botani, Ogres and Saberon all escaped AU Draenor alongside the Maghar.
hollow dock
Oh it wasn't just the mag'har the horde recruited?
cuz last I had checked, it was just the mag'har that had jumped through the only portal out of AU Draenor
where the Botani, and thus the green of gorgron, were gone
Dreanor was dying etc etc etc
Unless all that changed as I stated
terse patrol
Ogres apparently join Yrel too.
hollow dock
Ogres weren't the topci.
Orgron and Gronn, again unless mentioned otherwise, should have been wiped out with the Botani. As there was no green or the wandering Gronn.
tulip sun
Vris
There are quite literally Gronn and Ogron in Durotar with the Maghar. They eere seem fighting alongside them as well.
And AU Ogres
Botani and Saberon reportedly appear and run towards barrens. @hollow dock
hollow dock
that's why I had asked twice now thrice had anything changed
tulip sun
I already said all this
Several times
I wouldnt really say anything changed either
We previously only saw dialogue
hollow dock
adn the dialogue implicates that both sides had done something to draenor that harmed it in the long run
green out of Gorgrond and there was no more roaming Gronn.
tulip sun
That was your speculating
hollow dock
The green being removed
wasn't
speculation
LOL
that was in the map itself Kham
hollow dock
Literally only one reason the JUNGLES of GORGROND would be removed kham
tulip sun
Now that we actually see the scenario
tulip sun
I am not arguing that
hollow dock
no just put down anything I say tied to that
tulip sun
I simply said it was your speculation that each side harmed Draenor
hollow dock
LITERALLY
IN THE DIALOGUE
BOTH SIDES SAY THE OTEHR IS KILLING DRAENOR
Unless that had changed
tulip sun
Botani, Saberon...Ogres, Ogron, Gronn...all opposing the Lightbound. Ogres, Ogron and Gronn being united.
tulip sun
If both sides were to blame...
Why would so many oppose the draenei
If you dont want to have a discussion, fine. You do you.
hollow dock
I keep saying
unless the dialogue has changed from beta
Both sides blame the other
Yrel claims Grom was doing it, Grom claimed Yrel was doing it
the jungles in Gorgrond had disappeared off the map, so something happened to the botani. Wasn't the Draenei who did it, as they were still moving down. Only the orcs were there..
Literally.
None of this is speculation
@tulip sun
hollow dock
Dialogue
Literally
Datamined
Dialogue
Fuck it. Youre legitimately denser than me
tulip sun
Dialogue which you are using to make theories about the orcs actions we dont know about.
I dont get why your being so rude and mad about this.
We cant really say the orcs are doing anything bad by from what we know, are a bunch of zealous fanatics.
And the Botani are alive, so
ruby star
What do you think happened to the Arakkoa?
zealous basalt
Wiped them first
hollow dock
the jungles in Gorgrond had disappeared off the map, so something happened to the botani. Wasn't the Draenei who did it, as they were still moving down. Only the orcs were there..
@tulip sun inform me where I said anything here is making the orcs do wrong.
Grom saying Yrel is killing the world while Yrel says its Grom doing it.
Inform me where I am saying the orcs are wrong. @tulip sun
Im being 'rude' because youre skimming over my words and assuming for me
terse patrol
how come the dark iron npcs in zuldazar use the normal dwarf voices reeeee
tulip sun
Huh
Didnt notice that
I hope ths Maghar and their allies appear in the part 2 of the war campaign
Perhaps we will learn more about what happened as well
jade basalt
Anyone got a screen of this ? https://www.wowhead.com/item=162025/sermon-of-the-high-exarch
jade basalt
hollow dock
Literally never said anything was the orcs fault kham
If youre gonna drop it, then do so.
hollow dock
orcs didnt do wrong in a sarcadtic notiong
After having an argument with me about my speculations that the orcs did something to the botani.
Really kham?
hollow dock
I think that was long overdue.
tulip sun
What was overdue?
zealous basalt
What now
hollow dock
What what?
zealous basalt
You are all toal nooobs
jovial coral
Me too
tropic trail
Such dinguses.
zealous basalt
A post in general
"Why BfA must fail"
Inside
"So the game can have a hard reset and they can kick Activision from shitting the game"
I swear
We are slowly descending into Undertale levels of fandom
magic river
Lol
uncut vault
No it does not
it involves the story leading up to the alliance assaulting zuldazar, and involves the horde having access to the zandalari fleet at that point in time
uncut vault
They arent definite, but its likely a united nation happens before the finale of the alliance war campaign
jovial coral
So was kil'jaeden lying or was there actually going to be a Yrel situation.
Watched some light youtube lore on the subject recently, I think that would be a hell of a twist.
terse patrol
What about kil’jaeden
jovial coral
It was he who "warned" the orcs that dreanei would attack them.
It was said to be a lie.
terse patrol
He was lying
Draenei would have remained neutral.
The AU Draenei go fanatical because the Orcs prove to them that they need the Light, after they attempted to genocide them.
People are acting like Yrel is being evil, when this is a delayed response to the Iron Horde’s aggression.
If anything, she’s merciful that she’s converting orcs rather than outright wiping them out.
zealous basalt
still bias
uncut vault
AU draenei is because of AU Xe'ra, who Kil'jaeden doesnt have really any knowledge of
jovial coral
Kil'jaeden didn't know of AU Xe'ra, but that doesn't matter. He may have knew the plans of naaru in the main universe.
tropic trail
I quit wow for a while and im returning
anything new after BFA's launch?
Were the Kul Tiran Human and Zandalari Troll classes announced yet?
slate walrus
The classes were announced a long time ago, but they've just unlocked, if that's what you mean
tropic trail
Unlocked?
tropic trail
Do you know what the Mag'har orc racial hub is?
slate walrus
No idea
tropic trail
Damn
slate walrus
Apparently its in the valley of honor, in org
hollow dock
@slate walrus The Zandalari and Kul Tirans aren't unlockable yet
slate walrus
Aren't they?
hollow dock
Zandalari classes were announced ages ago but Kul Tirans were never announced officially.
and no. they were not
the allied races unlockable right now are Dark Iron Dwarves and Mag'har
slate walrus
Oh maybe I was thinking of mag'har, thought I saw someone having issues unlocking them this week
My bad 😄
But Kul Tirans were officially announced right?
slate walrus
Looks like they were shown deliberately too: https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/723163.jpg
Which makes sense, otherwise horde would have an extra allied race
hollow dock
they were, just their classes were never revealed
languid yoke
Zandalari classes never got announced
hollow dock
The zandalari racials were datamined out me thinks
sudden oak
just the names
languid yoke
^
zealous basalt
i still dont know what to be of a kul tiran
was thinking in druid cuz wicker forms
but pirate thing
proper scarab
Is that a joke? 😁 they are supposed to only be druids, no? 😁
Read that somewhere on wowhead, maybe not up to date?
heavy cairn
wait really
zealous basalt
Ye
heavy cairn
huh
also I know from personal experience that kul tirans are quite skilled with guns
glares at elite Boralus Guards
zealous basalt
blood elves were pallies rather than warriors
My roulette is
Warrior-Hunter-Druid-Rogue-Mage
And maybe shamans
heavy cairn
I don't think they'll have that few classes
zealous basalt
dark iron have
heavy cairn
Kul Tirans are meant to be "special", they require a 120 on same server or something IIRC
hollow dock
for a very long time Belves didn't have warrior. From BC to Cata
Allied races only require you to have a 120 of the proper faction to recruit
heavy cairn
that is interesting, were they the only ones?
hollow dock
110 for the legion ones
Yes
Kul tirans aren't any more special than zandalari
wherever you heard that jargon, they are very much incorrect
heavy cairn
"To roll a Zandalari Troll on a server, you must already have a level 110 on that server."
that's why I assumed Kul Tirans were special, simply because Zandalari are
hollow dock
Where did they get that information?
heavy cairn
no clue. wowhead doesn't really cite sources :/
heavy cairn
was last updated in june
zealous basalt
probably it would be good to call it out
heavy cairn
maybe we can ask in #wowhead-feedback-support
terse plank
The thing about the "kul Tirans can only be druids" is because druids are the only confirmed class atm
Not that they can't be warriors or hunters etc.
They can probably also be shaman's as well based on a few things but we don't know that for sure yet either 👀
hollow dock
they do have totems and the Tidesages, though they're not entirely shamans but not entirely mages.
theyre weird
zealous basalt
water splas to ur face
terse plank
They actually commune with water rather than use it
zealous basalt
would be nice shaman resto and ele
terse plank
I actually won't be surprised if they can't be paladins
heavy cairn
I would not be surprised either
terse plank
I've not seen any holy-based chapels
heavy cairn
zandalari paladins 🙏
zealous basalt
They dont really believe in
the light
i dont think we will get kul tiran pallies or priests
heavy cairn
I think priests are a candidate, for the same reason as it is for undead / void elves, cuz they do use shadow magic
zealous basalt
Zandalari paladins with Vol Jin as the Loa of Kings plox
terse plank
They've referenced the light in quests and such but the tidesages seem to take place of the holy priests and such of Stormwind society in equivalency
heavy cairn
IDC who the loa is, just make it so
hollow dock
Not water, the tidemother. Which is unknown if that's an elemental or some other entity. And since it's seeming to be a more devotion/magic driven one, it doesn't seem like there is much push for them to be shamanistic
since shamans tend to all the elements, not jus tone
terse plank
Blizzard has based a few playable classes purely on one spec before 👀
hollow dock
All shaman specs span all four elements
even Resto spans into Earth and Air
Elemental is all four.
Enhance is all four in melee.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Unlike priest, where it's a scale of Light ---> middle <--- Void
zealous basalt
Middle being Disc
zealous basalt
That's what the Challenge tower taught to all healing classes
hope we can get something like that before
...later*
terse plank
I do get the feeling that it's very possible they could be shamans, though they'd be bending the rules slightly like they do for other races. Kind of like how totems were originally a troll only thing, as we're hexes and such
And they just kind of lump the thing together and call it good. Like how for some unknown reason I guess a bunch of shamans use a wolf spirit for their "travel form"
Despite that really being something more tuned for orcs
zealous basalt
So I wonder
What is going to be the next xpac highlights (refering to race and classes)
jovial coral
Hype this xpac is so much people already hyped for the next one
So the least they can do is give vulpera and sethrak and maybe a new class. My money is on warden.
Or sea priest
Tide sage
Some dark/blood magic class maybe
uncut vault
Still hoping for my eventual tinker for goblins and gnomes
jovial coral
I think gnomes will get it in the form of an Allied race
Probably not a class unfortunately
Goblins racials are already kinda like that so maybe they'll change them around or do something different
night swift
Mecha Gnomes/Sea Goblins
zealous basalt
Giblins*
night swift
Yeah those guys
jovial coral
Possible, I heard they weren't civil or smart enough though
zealous basalt
they are servants of aszhara tho
night swift
Oh are they? Maybe not then
jovial coral
Hmm
zinc sandal
We can’t have Zandalari paladins because Rezan is dead
zealous basalt
Not an issue
Appoint Vol'jin as the new Loa of Kings
I'd roll a zanda paladin if that happened
uncut vault
Not everyone lost their light anyways
Some prelates, and more importantly, Talanji, still have their abilities
zealous basalt
port
are you fine with vol jin as the new loa of kings?
so he can chill with bwonsambi
uncut vault
Absolutely, he probably already is based on the final cinematic
heavy cairn
akunda is kinda weird tho
plus most of his devotees stay in the temple with him to avoid pain, rather than actually using the power to heal the world and smite their enemies.
not to say they can't, for example akunda makes us do it with World Quests, but they just don't.
heavy cairn
vol'jin was a shadow hunter though
it's a real stretch to make him some paladin-worshipped deity
IMO
uncut vault
he's quite literally glowing with light in the final cutscene
uncut vault
Yes
tender pelican
if rezan is dead, i wonder if rezan would be possibly revived, or zandalari will try something that's new to them: follow the light
calm hawk
doesn't Rezan only really matter to the kings? ... hes not really the common troll's loa
zealous basalt
i honestly dont know
uncut vault
he matters to the prelates, at the very least, but pretty much everyone, even other loa, respected him
tulip sun
There was a whole temple of his folliwers...so
tender pelican
if there will be prelates, when rezan is dead, are they possibly looking for faiths they never encountered before to them? (e.g. Light)
jovial coral
I wouldn't mind seeing it happen but at he same time I'd rather see like an entirely new class. If it's just another version of palidans that's cool too I guess.
I'd rather see tidesage class or something
wraith marten
I just got an update for the PTR, but can't copy any chars over.
heavy cairn
tidesage class would make me reroll instantly lol
would be so cool
plus I presume would have tank, dps, and ranged specs
cool for a magic-oriented class
our only other flexible magic-oriented class is melee
proud dome
zealous basalt
Not gonna happen
terse patrol
High Elves if they happen will be a customization option for Void Elves. Ogres are canonically the size of Tauren.
@zealous basalt @limber mural
limber mural
yeah the problem with ogres is they're represented ingame
so you can't cop out and make them the size of tauren
strange falcon
https://www.wowhead.com/news=286747/blizzard-taking-action-against-world-quest-exploits?webhook/blizzard-taking-action-against-world-quest-exploits just in case some frisky people hit exalted with exploits,
strange falcon
a few worldquests not flagging "completed" once you finish it,making you able to ""farm"" the worldquest
strange falcon
thus getting gear(titanforged sometimes),expulsom from scrapped gear,gold,rep
strange falcon
it's already hotfixed too i think
zealous basalt
I think
I am going to troll the forums for a while
im going to post "Have people stop crying already?"
There
slate ingot
I have a question for any dataminer if they have a minute
onyx mason
Can baine be blamed for theramore
hollow dock
No? That's still certainly Garrosh
If anything, it is Thrall's fault for putting Garrosh in charge and not coming back
zealous basalt
I blame Gul Dank
onyx mason
But baine told on garrosh and made the alliance boost up their forces at theramore
hollow dock
The alliance didn't boost up their forces tho
and Garrosh counted on Baine telling.
he wanted all the alliance piled in to blow them all away
it's his plan and all him from the very start.
If you are looking for reasons to hate on baine, just hate on him for being a cow
don't try and reach
tulip sun
^^
zealous basalt
I h8 baine for one thing
night swift
Baine hasn’t really done much to warrant hate honestly
zealous basalt
is it becuz anduin is human?
then you shall hate sylvanas too...for eating human in bar
heavy cairn
anduin is the leader of my enemies
zealous basalt
y u resist lore tho
We kno anduin not gonna die ever
probs horde wont be a thing when the future of that comic happens
heavy cairn
I don't care if he dies, just stay away from kalimdor
heavy cairn
I'm not going to go as far with this today, I don't really mean that
it's just fun to slay the alliance
zealous basalt
you guys have luck that alliance isn't like horde or you would have been dead from a long time
You can thank Kalec btw
heavy cairn
alliance being not like horde is only reason the war still exists
heavy cairn
plenty of our races are native residents of azeroth
and the alliance rejected them all
zealous basalt
Only three
With one race almost switching to Alliance
...Quel'Thalas was deaf ears with the Alliance in 3rd war
What happened with it was well deserved
Tho Arthas had the bad decision to create your Warchief
You can thank him for that
And if you didn't notice, there were things happening to accept dem undead back into few pieces of society
but your warchief was too scared to being alone
heavy cairn
yea yea
zealous basalt
Dark Spear Trolls joined because Thrall saved them from being deader than heck
so
shrug
Horde is useless, if you only exist is for plot
And by the plot you are protected
heavy cairn
honestly I shouldn't even try to justify horde or whatever
I don't know why I try, cuz there's just nothing
I wish I could be alliance :/
zealous basalt
offers fel blood drink
heavy cairn
and not just because kul tiras and boralus seem to be much better quality of life wise
zandalar is such a pain
you guys don't have to take a flight path from the top of this massive pyramid just to get to the other continent, do you?
heavy cairn
so uh, speaking of quality of life
I do have a level 110 alliance, where the heck is the dalaran portal
heavy cairn
That's a stupid place. Why didn't I choose to boost a mage, there's a reason I main it on the horde lol.
What about boralus portal, and where does boralus->stormwind bring you?
zealous basalt
Boralus portal is in the mage tower
heavy cairn
ugh
zealous basalt
And it brings you directly to the hall of the portals
heavy cairn
too bad they had to replace the dalaran portal I saw on the alpha with silithus
heavy cairn
I don't care, it has portals all over and an accessible auction house
zealous basalt
WHY NOT JUST PUT THAT CITY ON THE DAMN GROUND AGAIN
for horde
Alliance doesnt have auction house
clearly horde bias
heavy cairn
um, no
zealous basalt
c?
heavy cairn
engineers have auction house
heavy cairn
🤔
zealous basalt
And what happened today with emissaries where they give a quest
heavy cairn
on my mage, I just teleport to dalaran if I don't feel like taking a flight path or jumping off a pyramid and need auction house or whatever
heavy cairn
I don't need a weapon lol
got this 350 2h boe and equipped it
it was from trash in a dungeon people from both factions can do
zealous basalt
Horde bias again
The ending of the first areas?
Horde got shit happening on Dazal'alor
while Alliance only has Jaina as Lord Almiral?
Horde 🅱 ias
heavy cairn
Zandalari navy is basically null tho
zealous basalt
And with those bombs on the rest of the fleet
heavy cairn
mogu & zulians kinda took it all
heavy cairn
hey, I don't need nor care about the bias
zealous basalt
Horde lorebreaking dragon rules? Horde 🅱ias again
heavy cairn
as long as I can gear up and stuff I'm fine. sucks that I have to play horde to raid with my guild, but w/e
zealous basalt
Horde forcing Brozzard to write a shitty story for Mag'har that doesn't have any...any...effort?
🅱ias again
heavy cairn
lol mag'har
I think the fact that they have more than 3 skin variations makes up for the bad writing and lack of hub
I've like never visited my hub on my main (nightborne). What's even there that's worth it?
leaden garden
I've never bought into Horde bias, largely because the only reason the Horde hasn't been wiped out by the Alliance is because of plot (and that's coming from a Horde player), but I gotta say after trying to level an alliance toon cause I like Dark Iron.... Holy shit is the Alliance side boring as absolute hell
Jesus, Boralus has the least interesting story I've seen in a long, long time
candid ginkgo
And as an Alliance player who has played Horde on the sidelines since BC, I can say that Zandalar is pretty damned boring as well.
But, if you think about it, the two islands are parallels of each other in their story, to be honest. So if you've already leveled on one side, you're seeing the same story with different characters when you level the opposite faction.
Could be why its boring.
tulip sun
I find horde side fantastic
zealous basalt
You find horde fantastic no matter what m8
candid ginkgo
I was super excited to level my horde pre-launch. Then I found out you learn absolutely nothing more about Saurfang and my interest disappeared.
tulip sun
Why would Saurfang have anything to do with zandalar
zealous basalt
...
People
Want more saurfang
I De Dar Khamnin
Swear
You feel more of a Sylv follower than a Horde follower
tulip sun
How do you claim that from my.comment?
Saturday just has no relevance right now
Saurfang
candid ginkgo
They gave him a good build up during the Darkshore event and the Old Soldier cinematic, just to leave him in a cell. I wanted MORE story of that.
candid ginkgo
I don't care about stupid fox people and dumb snake people and their sand troubles.
I want SAURFANG.
Blizz also said we'd get some Thrall story with the Vol'jin stuff, but that seems to be removed.
candid ginkgo
Can't. Gotta level a Horde for my team on that side. Just gonna have to deal with weaksauce story until something interesting comes out.
🤷
tulip sun
I personally really like the story.
zealous basalt
Thrall was removes
zealous basalt
Rokhan takes his place now
uncut vault
Both factions aren’t dealing with the actual war atm
It’s new continents and people time
Next week we’ll start getting back into the faction war full on
zealous basalt
Hm
Port
How many expansions do you honestly think the WoW Universe can give to us?
uncut vault
as many as blizzard wants it to
pandaria shows they can make an entire expansion out of two lines of lore
night swift
I believe so?
If it is then fucking rip elemental shaman for not even making the list
sullen dagger
neither is there warrior prot
languid yoke
Or any mage
night swift
Arcane mage is top wtf
zealous basalt
At 340
strange falcon
enhancement at 2nd
i guess that 180% damage boost to stormstrike really did something in the beta
zealous basalt
Either the player was
night swift
Ah its nice to see BM hunter so high up
strange falcon
also,surprising no one,feral is bottom e.e
strange falcon
guardian and resto still extremely good tho e.e
night swift
Feral ever get those tweaks?
strange falcon
just our dps taking a hit for a raid tier
@night swift technically there was a dirty bandaid last week,that buffed the feral aoe from "disgustingly dumpster fire garbage" to just "disgusting garbage"
so not really
night swift
Man that sucks
zealous basalt
I didnt expect ele in top
strange falcon
but they did say in the last Q&A that they would get more buffs in the first week of uldir
zealous basalt
Or fury low
strange falcon
well,shamans were promisd changes in 8.1,but not because they do bad damage,but because they're half-baked mechanically
zealous basalt
It needs something else
I mean the damage is good
But after all the changes they did to other classes
Feels kinda boring
strange falcon
well,if enhancement wasnt good after a whopping 180% damage buff to their main damage source
zealous basalt
Wtb chi explosion back
strange falcon
it would be baffling
night swift
Also huh DKs are lower than I thought they'd be
zealous basalt
Not so hero class anymore
sudden oak
it surprises me Spriest is not last tbh
sudden oak
yeah I can agree with that
the gameplay is a bit shitty but the numbers are ok
not like im going to dps with my priest either way 
im too in love with discipline to let it go
jovial coral
I hope Anduin is going to be a op disc priest with shadow form.
sudden oak
he did use shadow magic from time to time in pandaria but I dont think he would use it a lot
zealous basalt
kek
heavy cairn
where is that chart from
the damage numbers seem a bit low
I do like 11-12k DPS on most Mythic dungeon bosses
as frost mage, ilvl 343
zealous basalt
wow-dps
heavy cairn
what, like spec or build?
zealous basalt
No, dps chart
zealous basalt
Or should we wait until a few weeks into Uldir?
heavy cairn
I honestly think waiting for Uldir is the wisest choice
uncut vault
charts are also not always accurate, because some specs clearly are for different things
you cant compare frost mage to other specs on single target, because it is a premiere AoE spec
strange falcon
like always,waiting for at least 1 week is the best way to determine dps
and always has been
take as example,i think it was antorus dps charts?
sims and charts said one thing,the raid actually came out,and it was a totally different chart
heavy cairn
yea yea I know I'm meant for AoE, but a lot of fights have multiple targets. plus of course dungeon trash, 👌
still... I'm pretty sure I'm not that low in the rankings for single target, or maybe my ilvl / necklace is just higher than most people I have done dungeons with
raids end up getting tuned post-release, plus there are hidden proc effects and stuff
it's definitely not worth relying on pre-Uldir charts to determine what is the """best"""
steel venture
the raid also like
isn't even out yet
so we're not even 100% sure how those azerite gear things will actually work from uldir itself
jovial coral
How does blizzard chart them? They must have their own scoring chart they probably haven't shared
zealous basalt
brozzard
And I don't think Blizzard cares
Or there would be a
Idk
Tournament for first world
heavy cairn
I don't think blizzard cares. as long as they have similar charts in most raid fights, but not too similar.
They have stated in Dev Q&As they want classes to perform better on different fights.
heavy cairn
yes
zealous basalt
Scaled to our level?
heavy cairn
yea
zealous basalt
Does it hurt?
heavy cairn
I only know from the wowhead video, not personal experience--yes
I wish I knew from personal experience, alas I got lazy cuz I didn't think I wanted the maghar race
now I realize I really do lol
how much rep is available from doing all wanteds? I haven't done any.
ah, 11 WANTED quests that each give 250 rep
that means if I do them all and my weekly island expeditions, I'm ~8250 rep away from exalted
what if I wait till darkmoon faire,
not much of a difference
sudden oak
im 9640 rep wat form exalted but I still need to do a couple stuff
also I never get the bonus in honorbound commendations 🙃
uncut vault
I’m just 2k away, so very ready for DID
sudden oak
I have like 3 WQ and the island expedition thing
heavy cairn
can you get an item from an island expedition that turns into honorbound rep?
similar to these things I found that turned into voldunai rep and talanji expedition rep?
slate walrus
Hahaha, no more WQs to complete?
summer cobalt
if that was a human, you'd be one wq off too
uncut vault
absolutely nothing left, done all world quests, all my missions, normal quests
summer cobalt
could an island expedition drop a rep token?
uncut vault
none for 7th legion
slate walrus
And you've done the island expedition weekly?
uncut vault
mhm
trust me, Ive done it all
just waiting on world quests to spawn, and hoping the next rotation is more than one
languid yoke
huh
I got a rep token for honorbound before
why would there be none for 7th legion
slate walrus
🤔 Honorbound is a horde rep, 7th is an alliance rep
strange falcon
that wasnt the question
summer cobalt
there would most likely be an alliance equivalent
and I remember getting a 7th legion token for an island vaguely
limber mural
To be honest I tend to call 'war campaign rep' honorbound cause its just easier to write
I main alliance
summer cobalt
I just call it 7th for short
slate walrus
Oh sorry I misread, I thought they were saying "why havent I had one for 7th legion"
dense plover
can we take a minute just to admire how well written this is
for people who know who rexxar is, the quest text tells them the direction and whats going on
but it also informs people who dont know about rexxar and tells them why he has a different model
also
zealous basalt
also wat
dense plover
seems like tidesages fill the niche of shaman and priest
zealous basalt
hm
languid yoke
KT shamans 🤔
heavy cairn
yea so now there's a few NPCs in it. and the leader of it, i.e. the player character, leaves in BFA
uncut vault
From what I’m gathering, void stuff isn’t explicitly Azshara/N’zoth, but just a problem tidesages have been running into for a while with delving too far into the depths
hollow dock
It's not dead or empty.
is the point Im making
just like the Silver Hand
Which actually was dead/empty as it merged into the Crusade
zealous basalt
And then back into the Silver Hand
steel venture
It's not the first time we've seen "mean" shamans.
The Taunka are another example. Tidesages HAVE to force the tides, otherwise their sailors would be brought down by the waves around Kul Tiras.
viral terrace
I recently found out about the Taunka
Been levelling a Nightborne
Never knew they existed
Until now
well
until a while ago
Way past the Taunka currently
strange falcon
you never visited a wrath zone?
hollow dock
but at that point it's called Dark Shaman @steel venture and everyones kinda had a real hard pass on that being a thing.
uncut vault
Tidesages dont force the tides, theyre just gifted the ability to guide them
not all water is elemental
dense plover
ok
i wanna post to reddit
what do you guys think? I need criticism and error noticing so i can fix it
Elemental Shaman is an interesting spec. It has a defined class fantasy that no other class really fills. A ranged master of elements - a mail caster. The issue right now is that, yes elemental numbers are in a mediocre place, but also, the rotation lacks engagement - there is almost nothing to do except buildup maelstrom and then earthshock.
Most classes that follow WoW's modern class design have a form of RNG that allows for an ability to proc from another ability. This is sometimes done through a talent, for classes that don't need it baseline. I believe that giving Elemental shaman a baseline random proc would help make its rotation more interesting. Along with that, I believe that giving Elemental another spender, and reducing the current number of generators while making them more impactful would also help increase the feeling of effective damage.
I believe that Elemental Shaman could be fixed if these changes were made:
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Lower the cost and damage of earth shock - this creates a less aggressive spending curve (think tiger palm vs keg smash for brewmaster, or stormstrike vs lava lash)
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Make lightning bolt have a cast time, increase its damage, increase maelstrom generation - this slows the maelstrom power curve slightly, while making the ability feel more impactful.
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Create a second spender that costs slightly more maelstrom, has a cooldown - maybe 5-6 sec - and procs a baseline version of exposed elements- by making a spender increase the damage of lightning bolt, lightning bolt becomes a more integral part of the rotation, and the additional maelstrom spender gives you variation in your attack pattern.
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Make Chain Lightning instant, increase the maelstrom generated, increase its damage significantly, make it shock the ground, and give it a short cooldown, maybe 4 sec or so. - This makes chain lightning significantly different from its current version, but it makes several important changes: It makes casting chain lightning more impactful so when you cast it, it feels strong, it provides you with a burst of maelstrom energy, ideally smoothing out spikes in maelstrom generation, and it helps to give a cleaner identity to elemental shaman by making this spec-unique ability more prominent in the rotation.
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Remove flame shock and lava burst, creating a different ability altogether to replace it. 7 sec cooldown, AoE fire damage (radius around target), generates maelstrom, and applies a DoT on all enemies hit. - No one likes having to tab through mobs and apply a DoT, this allows you to apply it, while also dealing impactful damage in an area, and giving elemental shamans a bit more group damage - something that further differentiates them from enhancement.
zealous basalt
Hmm, I cant haev a say because I don't play shaman, but it seems really good
Also, is Lightning bolt insta?
dense plover
but the thing is, chain lightning is aoe damage, and enh shaman already does the single target stuff
making ele focus more on aoe damage is important
it used to be a core part of the spec's identity
now all it has is chain lightning
zealous basalt
Wasn't it AoE back in MoP?
dense plover
yes
strange falcon
are those future ele buffs?
strange falcon
i've noticed blizz being very open about changes recently
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
eaarthquake
zealous basalt
Where do they notice better?
viral terrace
@strange falcon I never visited it properly until I went to Northrend on my Nightborne
dense plover
want to know what you think tho
zealous basalt
wtb third and fourth opinions beta bois
dense plover
are there currently any aoe abilities that are centered on a selected target?
vs using that bit patch of aoe grid thing?
dense plover
nope
like what i described
cast a spell on a chosen target
and all targets near it are damaged
oh
keg smash does this
zealous basalt
Yeah
dense plover
is this a good TLDR?
TLDR - Concept for significant overhaul of Ele Shammy. Make earthshock less powerful and less hungry, smooth the maelstrom generation curve, create a secondary spender that procs a version of exposed elements, make chain lightning a bigger damage dealer, remove lava lash and combine it with a modified aoe flameshock.
dense plover
strange falcon
@dense plover just make lava burst the secondary spender
since both flame shock and lava burst are baseline
there is no need to remove something to put a "secondary spender"
also lightning bolt already has a cast time,
only enhancement has it instant
dense plover
lava burst shares its icon with lava lash
and kind of overlaps
its shitty
i would prefer something different, like ice or wind or water or something
hollow dock
It doesnt
strange falcon
am i getting the things right in my head
dense plover
hollow dock
They are 2 separate icons
dense plover
they arent
hollow dock
Yea Lash is a hammer
strange falcon
and lava burst is literally a flow of lava
hollow dock
they are
strange falcon
i think peach is heavily confusing enhancement and elemental together
dense plover
i think giving lava to one spec
and lightning and stuff to another will help with spec differentiation
hollow dock
Burst and Lash are iconic to both specs tho
dense plover
i guess you could make burst the spender
dense plover
i know they are very different actual abilities
the animations arent the same
i forgot the icon of lava lash
hollow dock
the only thing shared is named
me thinks you should maybe spend a bit longer playing it rather than seemingly a few hours and then writing it off
strange falcon
i've played elemental and enhancement together in legion from tos to prepatch,
dense plover
my brain is frying
strange falcon
and they are different enough
hollow dock
I kinda have to put up the argument of
"If you want something similar to x, why not just go and get x"
dense plover
thats not what im doing
i focused heavily on buffing elemental's aoe abilities
it used to be an aoe caster
many people, myself included enjoyed that
strange falcon
i got that,but your explanation of how to do it was awful
dense plover
why?
strange falcon
because the same confusion you showed here,was in the post
my advice would be to get you some rest so your brain isnt frying and you arent confusing different abilities for the same
and rewrite the post
dense plover
i wasnt confusing the abilities
i confused an icon
i know lava burst is a ranged generator
lava lash is the opposite
melee spender
yes, making burst a spender makes it sort of similar to lava lash
thats not neccesarily bad tho
hollow dock
Personally while its functionality canbe the same, why not change burst into an actual burst. Make it like fireball from D&D where you spend it all for a decent chunk of AOE damage.
that way it's a functional spender and hams onto the AOE idea
hollow dock
Mhmm. Turn it into a generator where it's ticks generate maelstrom and can knock down enemies.
hollow dock
that way it keeps the identity it had in legion: Disgustingly strong in huge AOE fights
strange falcon
why not leave lava burst as a generator,whose ticks( from the fire damage) generate maelstrom
and earthquake is an aoe spender that knocks down
that's much more clean
dense plover
because theres so much generation
hollow dock
uh
Yes you did lol
Earthquake being a generator ticks for everything it hits
Burst is ST
ticking off of 1
the generation is severely hamperd
hollow dock
then its not burst generating it, it's flame shock
strange falcon
and make flame shock ticks generate maelstrom
dense plover
see, this is why i made the changes i suggest
strange falcon
problem solved,the end goal is the same,but the means is different
hollow dock
So you'd have to lay down several earthquakes to not overcap on maelstrom then
dense plover
make earth shock cheaper, but weaker, make lightning bolt stronger, smooth out the generation curve, create a mid tier spender between the new earth shock and earth quake
dense plover
then focus on making aoe important and strong
hollow dock
Oh. Neat.
zealous basalt
I shall become 110 today
heavy cairn
I have one 120, two 113s, eleven 110s
one of the 110s is an alliance scum that I boosted
zealous basalt
would give gold for info about Highmountain tauren and their characteristics
tulip sun
Uh...what do you need exactly?
zealous basalt
What do their marks and their colours mean
Like, do every tribe have a different colour mark?
tulip sun
It can be guessed they represent the tribes
Blue rivermane
Red bloodtotem
Green skyhorn
zealous basalt
I have seen the highmountain with red
tulip sun
I personally have my Highmountain wear red to signify their newfound loyalty.
To the hordr
tropic trail
didn't bloodtotem turn to feltotem?
zealous basalt
Dude im telling you what I saw
Both npcs had the same color of the marks
even as feltotem
tulip sun
I mean like the last names
zealous basalt
Ah
tulip sun
I get so annoyed when people do that
I may be wrong, but it is just named after the leaders/founders
If every.person in the tribe had the same surname...
We would be seeing a lot more rivermane, skyhorn, etc
zealous basalt
i see
Hmm
The highmountain taurens
Dont use the "spin" Mortal Strike animation
zealous basalt
Hmm
Now that I realize it
"Bones of my father" Ebonhorn says this but
Deathwing didn't left behind any bones that we know of, right?
uncut vault
I mean he is a lizard, maybe he shed and ebonhorn just doesn’t know what bones are
zealous basalt
tulip sun
I kinda want to see an alliance invasion of Highmountain just so we see Ebonhorn defending
Let the world know we got a dragon:D
Only three people know right now...
Baine, Mayla and the Champion
zealous basalt
Are you aware
That ebonhorn might be killed there?
Even if he is a dragon, all dragons are severely nerfrd
And if all
An Alliance invasion is so out of character
hollow dock
alliance invasion where?
zealous basalt
Read
hollow dock
Read what
zealous basalt
Highmountain
hollow dock
Oh.
That'd be weird and off.
Not that the alliance is invading but that they're invading Highmountain of all places
zealous basalt
There is nothing interesting there
hollow dock
there's no advantage in taking highmountain either
zealous basalt
And I dont think Alliance has something against Highmountain people
hollow dock
or Suramar for that matter
hollow dock
there's nothing to gain.
zealous basalt
They dont do stupid stuff just because
hollow dock
at least Teldrassil you can argue you'd get a new port and cut off supply into a continent
zealous basalt
And ebonhorn would be easy to shot down
hollow dock
but Highmountain isn't blocking anything.
zealous basalt
Like
tulip sun
I am not saying it makes sense