beta-ptr-spoilers

[forest tartan]

ask loremaster anything lol

[zealous basalt]

You hate her because she corrects you lol

[mint arch]

xD

[tropic trail]

not really

[zealous basalt]

"Not really"

[tropic trail]

minecraft dude corrects me too

its just that he provides links

and is patient with me

[zealous basalt]

"Minecradt dude sempai"

[sullen dagger]

@dense plover

yo there?=

do undead have free will

[tropic trail]

thats him

[zealous basalt]

"Free will"

[sullen dagger]

or they have a tyran as leader

[tropic trail]

makore likes to defend her some reason though

[zealous basalt]

The best example is Before the storm

[tropic trail]

they might be dating

I guess

anyways I need reasons for the forsaken thing

because i love forsaken

and orcs too

[sullen dagger]

forsakens are cool

silvannas aint

[tropic trail]

she's alright

I like the horde guy

whats his name

[hollow dock]

According to Traveler, Forsaken are not given fee will.

Not right away anyways

Theyre given that privilege with earning Sylvanas' favor

This is however hotly contested by the community, but the last information we have is from cataclysm. Some 8 or 9 years ago now.

My theory on this is that Sylvanas has the Valkyr tie the forsaken risen by then straight to her rather tjan give them absolute free will

The illusion of a choice is presented to them to where they will always take the expected choice.

Which is why she specifically wants more Valkyr that she directly controls.

[sullen dagger]

^

[tropic trail]

I remember there was a discussion here about how the iron vrykul have free will

and even without any sources people still argues that they didnt

[hollow dock]

The discussion was about them being autonomous.

[zealous basalt]

Iron vrykul?

[tropic trail]

except y'all kept bringing up free will

like a million times

[hollow dock]

Being sentient beings as I recall and somehow their free will was brought up

[zealous basalt]

What iron vrykul

[hollow dock]

The northrend ones Malore

Makore*

Theyre Stormforged, not called Iron Vrykul

[zealous basalt]

Ah, those

[tropic trail]

Stormforged are Stormheim

Iron Vrykul are like Ulduar

[hollow dock]

The Vala'jar are the ones in Stormhiem. :x

[tropic trail]

ok

I dont think Ulduar Vrykul have free will

prolly not sentience

Stormheim ones do though

[forest tartan]

yea they do

After the events took place within the Icecrown Citadel, and the death of Arthas, only nine of the Scourge's val'kyr remained in the world. These nine, lead by Annhylde the Caller, were bound to the will of their new dormant Lich King. Imprisoned atop the Icecrown, possibly for eternity, they hungered for their freedom. To gain this freedom they needed a vessel, one like them, a sister of war, strong, and who understood life and death. Someone who had seen the light and the dark. Someone worthy of power over life and death. Sylvanas Windrunner, after having just committed suicide off the Frozen Throne, was shown what would happen to her people and herself if she was gone. Using this information, they convinced her to make a pact with them. In this pact the val'kyr would be free of the Lich King forever, but their souls would be bound to the Dark Lady. Sylvanas will walk with the living once again, but through the sisterhood of the val'kyr. As long as they live, so too will Sylvanas. All of them will have their freedom, life, and power over death.

Sylvanas agreed to this pact, if only to prolong her fate, which filled her with terror. Annhylde took Sylvanas's place in death as the pact was made and the remaining eight sisters were bound to their new leader.[3]

As long as they live, so too will Sylvanas. All of them will have their freedom, life, and power over death.

[restive sage]

Will bfa be a good expansion

[hollow dock]

'Freedom'. Please look to the sentence of 'bound to sylvanas'

They literally traded one master for another

[restive sage]

Will it be better than legion

Potential best expansion ever?

[forest tartan]

yes but they can kill her

[hollow dock]

Thats 100% subjective Bung

[forest tartan]

they can drop her like a leaf

[hollow dock]

They could have killed the Lich king too.

[restive sage]

That is true

[hollow dock]

Both circumstances theyre bound to their master however

[restive sage]

Considering I still think we'd was the best expansion

Wod

[hollow dock]

Thus would protect them. Not harm.

Sylvanas as a character is all about control. She's a better Arthas in this regard.

And the book makes ot clear shes being a better Garrosh

[sullen dagger]

but se'll be garrosh 2.0

[tropic trail]

forgot y'all are always right

[hollow dock]

She will, but she'll spin her web so well that none in the horde will raise a hand against her

[sullen dagger]

and that's fuckken sad

[zealous basalt]

Just cleavenator

[hollow dock]

She controls (or at least wants) all knowledge passing in and out if the horde.

[tropic trail]

its a damn faction war not "everyone turn on sylvanas"

[hollow dock]

Its why she has a freak out at magni telling everyone what azerite is

And it wont ve Rys

[forest tartan]

because she lives in a bubble of plot that only exists to serve her before she became warchief

[hollow dock]

The horde wont raise a hand against her unless someone tattles on her.

Which would have to be nathanos

And he aint doing that.

He whipped boi

[sullen dagger]

nah nathanos is smitten by her pretty hardcore

[tropic trail]

maybe in the end the horde will stay as "sylvanas' horde"

[hollow dock]

Yup

[tropic trail]

has anyone thought about that?

[restive sage]

Omg spoilers

[hollow dock]

Were not saying shes going to get killed rys LOL

Im literally agreeing with you

[restive sage]

Guys no spoilers

[hollow dock]

Im even explaining why from the Before the Storm book

[sullen dagger]

#beta-ptr-spoilers

this is litreally spoiler-land

[restive sage]

So?

[hollow dock]

Shes carefully crafted a web of lies and half truths and the whole horde is entangled in it

[tropic trail]

im not talking to you

[forest tartan]

how can you kill that wich has no life

[tropic trail]

im talking to oma

wow refernce

[sullen dagger]

i see the value on that rys

[tropic trail]

reference

[restive sage]

Wanna know a secret

[hollow dock]

Omake isnt saying it either Rys

[tropic trail]

I mean from earlier

and yeah he/she did

[sullen dagger]

but id oubt blizz gonna do a third faction

[hollow dock]

No one has said the horde is turning on her

[restive sage]

In bfa

[hollow dock]

Shes asked of they would and the answer is, right now, no.

[sullen dagger]

i'm just saying sylvannas is a goddam nazi

[forest tartan]

her biggest fault as a warcief is not telling the other eladers everything as she learns it

[tropic trail]

thats yrel

[sullen dagger]

and she had the undead inder an iron hand

and now she's the freacking leader of the horde

[forest tartan]

shes fucking it up by withholding information from the faction leaders

[sullen dagger]

that smells fucky from miles away

[tropic trail]

It wasnt too long ago sylvanas became warchief

[zealous basalt]

One year actually

[tropic trail]

not that long

[sullen dagger]

yeah, and the "loa" told zuljin that she should be leader of the horde

[zealous basalt]

Vol

[tropic trail]

unless they did it for fan favor, they probably have plans for her

[zealous basalt]

Not zul

[sullen dagger]

but still i think that's a major fuckup

[hollow dock]

Thats actually working in her favor grape

[sullen dagger]

saurfang or the tauren leader would have been a way wiser option

[hollow dock]

She controls all the info.

[sullen dagger]

yeah, voljin

[dense plover]

yes undead have free will

[sullen dagger]

soz

[tropic trail]

thats the point omake

[dense plover]

literally in the book

[forest tartan]

as long as shes only killing her own deserters lol

[tropic trail]

they have plans for her

big plans

they teased at BFA long before BFA was announced

[sullen dagger]

yeah, let spirits tell how to rule

[hollow dock]

It doesnt contest what was saod in traveler Peach

[sullen dagger]

fucking wise option

genious

[hollow dock]

Its a loa dude

Trolls dont deny a loas orders

[sullen dagger]

horde aint trolls only

[forest tartan]

think vol;jin will do a force ghost thing?

come back for awhile

[tropic trail]

voljin was warchief though

[zealous basalt]

Yeah

[tropic trail]

and he was highly respected

[sullen dagger]

i agree the troll warchief obeys the loa

[forest tartan]

horde need a stable leader

[sullen dagger]

but there are more reaces

[tropic trail]

baine aint gonna do shit

he's a good boi

[forest tartan]

saurfang aint dfdoing shit

[tropic trail]

saurfang doesnt care about leading

he just serves

he's like a orc nathanos

[forest tartan]

whoevers leading the trolls aint doing shit

he was a scout

now hes thew leader

[sullen dagger]

but saurfang managed to be in the "good bois" part of all the conflicts up to today

[forest tartan]

like ok

[sullen dagger]

which is pretty nifty imho

he's an oldie but goldie

[tropic trail]

reason I like sylvanas so much

is because we're both slowly getting a bad reptutation with our colleagues

[sullen dagger]

dunno man, i see sylvannas as a very unstable leader

[zealous basalt]

What did sylvanas do before wotlk?

[forest tartan]

try to get some kind of power to make more forsaken

she had a fellord in her basement

i dunoo

[zealous basalt]

Yeah, but...Vari was it?

[forest tartan]

varithmathus

somthing

[tropic trail]

naThanos did nothing wrong

also sorry for bringing this up again

but didnt sylvanas regret giving them free will in before the storm?

also I need to get that book asap

but im poor

instead of all these beta key giveaways have a giveaway for that

[zealous basalt]

has a Spanish version of the book someone leaked

[tropic trail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8rklch/wowforums_in_a_nutshell/

oh look its me

[forest tartan]

the only thing slyvanas regrets about that situation in the book is letting
Anduin Wrynn walk away with Princess Calia Menethil corpse.

proly

[tropic trail]

love calia menethil

[forest tartan]

and not killing the undead priest in the mix

[tropic trail]

I hope they show that scene in game

even if its just some chat boxes and not a cinematic

too late now prob

actually whole damn meeting should be added

its important

[forest tartan]

they should add a meeting place near stormguard

like near the wall or whatever

that would be cool

[tropic trail]

I feel like it's important for sylvanas' character

her character (obvious)

and the battle for lordaeron

[forest tartan]

yea like where the forsaken goign to live after

they are arguably more destructive to their surroundings than even goblins

they cant just move into the drag

[tropic trail]

I agree

In fact I think the whole battle for lordaeron story and events leading up to it should've been longer

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8rj6xe/i_miss_when_wow_wasnt_about_spaceships_or_alien/

someone has been noticing me

;-)

[sharp bluff]

huh well isn't that odd, never received an email but just got in the beta

[tropic trail]

you and a million other people

and still I havent got one

[mint arch]

i mean, is wow really about spaceships and alien planets?

apart from draenei

[agile token]

yes

[mint arch]

and legion has always been this otherwordly giant force

[agile token]

The legion caused everything

[mint arch]

legion was there pre-wow

[agile token]

It's the reason for most of our technology

[mint arch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[agile token]

Basically everything until legion has been legion

xd

[mint arch]

what?

[agile token]

Burning crusade - legion

wrath - legion

[quartz gazelle]

wrath?

[agile token]

well maybe cataclysm wasn't legion

[quartz gazelle]

How was wrath legion besides The LK beeing created by it?

[agile token]

The rest was caused by the legion

Exactly that

[mint arch]

legion has been there since Warcraft 1

whats ur point?

[agile token]

we can say battle for azeroth is the first expansion where blizzard can take a new direction

warcraft ended with legion

[mint arch]

wut

[agile token]

WoW continues with BFA

[mint arch]

legion is directly a result of the void lords

and now we are going against the void lords

[agile token]

legion a direct result of void lords?

[mint arch]

and demons are still around

[tropic trail]

im responsible for most of the arguments here lul

lore nerds

hell we need a lore channel

[mint arch]

sargeras created the legion as his vision was kill all life so void lords couldnt corupt

[tropic trail]

he didnt want to kill all life

just destroy all planets

or something

at least thats what vris told me

[mint arch]

im just summarising it

as "kill shit before void lords can corrupt"

[agile token]

I mean

The big bang caused it

we're going in that direction atm

[forest tartan]

yea like he wanted to become an old god but he cant get that power so hes like kill them all

[mint arch]

what? big bang?

[agile token]

But saying everything was caused by the void lords IN THE END is a bit too far

[forest tartan]

classic meglomania

[tropic trail]

I feel like arguing about wow lore has always been a thing. TBH I seen ppl argue about wow lore in servers that arent even wow related

[mint arch]

u were making the point that legion caused everything

[agile token]

Yeah

[mint arch]

so im saying, well the void lords caused the legion

[agile token]

Sargeras wasn't in charge himself of causing the events we had until now

Kil'jaeden did almost all that

[forest tartan]

so is fel power on par with void power

[agile token]

No

void is stronger than fel

[forest tartan]

they come from the same place?

[agile token]

Void and light were the first 2 things in the universe

[mint arch]

there has been no direct comparison

[agile token]

Sargeras created the fel

[mint arch]

no he didnt

[tropic trail]

sargeras didnt create the fel

[mint arch]

fel has always existed

[agile token]

The fel is a source of his own power

[mint arch]

demons always exist

[agile token]

Yes

[mint arch]

fel is a power just like void, light, death, nature, arcane

[agile token]

Demons aren't fel

[mint arch]

they all exist

as part of the "universe"

[tropic trail]

is arcane as strong as shadow magic?

[agile token]

Arcane is stronger

But let me rephrase what I said

[tropic trail]

bc titans have arcane blood

[forest tartan]

so like fel would be stronger than say nature and light but void stronger than fel and light strong er than void kinda shit

[tropic trail]

and shit

[agile token]

The fel was a source sargeras used to actually make the fel the fel as we know it

[mint arch]

@hollow dock has there been a direct comparison of the forces of the universe?

like void vs light vs fel vs death and so on

[agile token]

we have the image

voidox

[forest tartan]

like a big colorwheel of powers

[tropic trail]

roblox

[mint arch]

we know powers counter each other in ways

[agile token]

https://i.imgur.com/VsOdNOu.jpg

[mint arch]

such as void and death

yes i know that image

[forest tartan]

sweet

[mint arch]

that image doesnt compare the powers

it's just showing the powers of the universe

[tropic trail]

SPOILERS: love is the most powerful magic of all

[mint arch]

and its been hinted that light is not the counter of void, death is

in the latest windrunner comic for example

[forest tartan]

aha

[agile token]

We have never seen the shadowlands yet

[tropic trail]

light and void magic are like paladins and death knights

[agile token]

No

[mint arch]

death knights are not void

[agile token]

not death knights

bad comparison

[mint arch]

DK's are necromancy/death

[tropic trail]

no

[agile token]

Not exactly necromancy

[tropic trail]

I mean the relationship between void and light is like the relationship between paladins and deathknights

[agile token]

Not direct

[tropic trail]

like rivals and shit

[mint arch]

ya, you could say rivals

[tropic trail]

tfw they need to add stink magic

one smell and any class will hit the road

[mint arch]

id assume thats what death could entail xD

undead = rotting

= smell

[forest tartan]

lol thats why they sell cockroaches and maggots as pets in the undercity

[tropic trail]

was illidan retconned for legion?

[forest tartan]

it actualy increases thier personal hygiene

[agile token]

Retconned as in how?

[mint arch]

yes

[tropic trail]

idk some guy said he was retconned

shit vris was wrong then

[mint arch]

he went from villain in BC

to some anti-hero, trying to redemption dude in legion

[agile token]

I mean

He never was a true villain

[tropic trail]

thats "retconned"?

[agile token]

We knew he was against the legion

[mint arch]

we do know that

but the original story was that he fell to darkness or w/e

[tropic trail]

retconned my ass they pulled a jaime lannister

[mint arch]

and he did fcked up villain stuff on draenor

*outland

[agile token]

We were dicks in BC, all we knew is that illidan wasn't playing fair with the rest of the planet

so we just went for him

[mint arch]

it was never written in BC tht he was "doing this shit to prepare for legion" or w/e

[agile token]

he never fell to darkness

Or whatever how that was stated somewhere

[tropic trail]

lets go for malfurion next starting up chainsaw FOR THE HORDE!

[mint arch]

ya, i just meant that he went from idiot fixed on defeating the legion to becoming a tyrant and all that

[forest tartan]

malfurion seemed alot stronger

nows hes a chump to me

[tropic trail]

yeah but he gotta die he's too strong now

[agile token]

Malfurion is so badly written now

its horrible

[tropic trail]

throws out pitchforks and torches

[mint arch]

malfurion is stronger than illidan, power wise and personality wise

[forest tartan]

hes like i had a bad dream sory guys

[agile token]

Why is he only good outside of WoW

[mint arch]

but ya... now its :/

[agile token]

Not now

voidox

[forest tartan]

i got a little corrupted there my bad"

[agile token]

I mean

Illidan now is stronger than malfurion

[mint arch]

hmm, i dunno

[tropic trail]

malfurion is stronger

common sense

[agile token]

Malfurion can't kill the prime naaru, by far

Not common sense

[mint arch]

the prime naaru was not expecting the meme beam

illidan just dumped on her

[tropic trail]

fiora has it

[agile token]

Blizzard obviously made clear this in legion that illidan is the strongest person from azeroth

[tropic trail]

lets go see if Malfurion is really strong FOR THE HORDE!

[mint arch]

lol, nah... blizzard made it clear WE were the strongest

what with out artifacts

[agile token]

Not counting us

[mint arch]

against demons and legion, ya, illidan is definitely the strongest "NPC"

on azeroth

but in a 1v1, there are stronger characters than illidan

[tropic trail]

strongest npc is technically anduin, disarms all females and homosexual males instantly and spams flash heal

cant die

[mint arch]

M A N D U I N

[forest tartan]

couldn't jhaina or khaddar just teleport his arms and legs somwhere

[mint arch]

dadgar is REAL strong

jaina is also one of the most powerful mages on azeroth

[agile token]

Jaina is in par with dadgar

[tropic trail]

if dadgar's puns could kill, he would've been the last man alive

[agile token]

It wasn't stated wether how much jaina gained from aegwynn

and if that was enough to make her stronger than khadgar

[mint arch]

ya, direct comparison of lore chars is tough

cause there are a lot of factors involved annnd stuffs not real clear

blizzard can show one char being beast mode at one point, then meh in another

:/

[forest tartan]

she might have access to karazan

[agile token]

Top 3 strongest mortals becomes harder to say with each expansion

[forest tartan]

she could alrways read a book

[agile token]

Azshara still taking the number 1 spot

but 2 and 3

[forest tartan]

get a little stronger

[tropic trail]

strongest character in wow are the snails in throne of thunder that one shot anyone regardless of gear or level

[agile token]

LUL

We can definantly say Kel'thuzad is just below jaina and khadgar right?

I'd put the list as this: 2. jaina/khadgar 3. malfurion 4. KT

something like that

[forest tartan]

kt did make a bunch of legendries for his minions, like who does that shit

[agile token]

too bad it's too late for KT to come back

We outgrew his strength

[tropic trail]

technically though, the strongest lore character is Azeroth

As its meant to be

and it's clearly hinted at throughout the lore and game

[agile token]

All he can do is succ sylvanas for a redemtion story which will never happen because KT is loyal to arthas

Yes azeroth is the strongest

OR

KT could pull off some fancy trick to get his hands into the helm of domination and make Arthas's soul overthrow bolvar

[tropic trail]

I got some future expansion spoilers so just warning

so wyrmy tunkins was a major lore character in legion

having to do with archeology

[agile token]

lol

[forest tartan]

the question i have about lich king is Ner'zhul dead or still in the helm

[agile token]

He is in the helm

Arthas is too

[forest tartan]

casue he could actually come back and unite the dks and force his way into the horde

[tropic trail]

Basically it turns out he was the one that absorbed the artifact power and he puts on the h̶e̶l̶m̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶d̶o̶m̶i̶n̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ burning legion crocksock to control all the restless demons after sargeras' fall

[agile token]

Ner'zhul could actually speak for himself sometimes saying: "I was once a shaman"

But no ner'zhul (and arthas) can never take control over the entirety of the lich king anymore

[tropic trail]

he was pretending to be a companion to get close to you

for the artifac

[forest tartan]

Bolvar is just like, a disfigured human i guess. no ones going to listen to him

[agile token]

https://youtu.be/xRGUTgT6Byg?t=8m53s

Bolvar lets us see within

Seeing ner'zhul having fun with arthas

[tropic trail]

tfw no one mentions thrall in strongest character discussion

[agile token]

metzen is in retirement

lul

Thrall is weird

to say

[agile token]

It was also stated Ner'zhul was stronger than arthas within the helmet

As we can see in the video, arthas can't do shit right now

Now if bolvar is stronger than ner'zhul, we have to wait

So far bolvar has been....neutral?

A bit hostile

Bolvar did some fucked up things during legion

[tropic trail]

please give more thrall

id rather mary sue thrall than anduin

or any other boring character

[uncut vault]

yikes, that exhilaration change

[dense plover]

yeah that one is dumb

heals shouldnt be on the gcd unless you are a healer

[uncut vault]

combine with the way higher cooldown now that you no longer get cdr on kills

and no more turtle heal

RIP any hunter survivability

[dense plover]

this might be a change that wasnt intended

like it mightve been discussed

and wasnt supposed to go live

but it did

if its still there next build, people will explode

[drowsy wolf]

Hey, anyone on Beta, go check Silvermoon. There are a bunch of nightborne walking around it now

The same could probably be said about Exodar

[uncut vault]

thats there on live too, since 7.3.5

[drowsy wolf]

I dont see them. Maybe I need the prepatch?\

[uncut vault]

you probably need allied races unlocked

[drowsy wolf]

Or that.

[tropic trail]

Any word on when Character copy for PTR will be available again?

[dense plover]

did they turn it off?

i think its just bugged

does switching servers not work?

[tropic trail]

Mhm, switching server doesn't do anything. No Copy button

[dense plover]

huh

they mustve disabled char copy to fix the issue with it only working on some servers

make a post on the forums or comment on one that exists

wait for blizz to answer or for the next build (probably tuesday)

[sharp bluff]

wow they really changed unholys talents a good deal

quite surprising

[uncut vault]

looks like theyre gonna be shrinking the continents on the map

to a more accurate size

[meager warren]

well, might as well do it now than later. also, they would have had to do it eventually if they're gonna keep adding new lands to Azeroth's map

i wonder if they're gonna do a side scroll thing for it to show that it's supposed to be round

[sharp bluff]

So to anyone who has been in the beta longer then me, has the option to save troops from the blight always been in the "Battle for Lordaeron"?

[uncut vault]

Yes

[sharp bluff]

interesting how that has never been mentioned

[uncut vault]

in the very first build, they were all orcs, but the build after it was changed to orcs, trolls, tauren, and notably dark rangers

[sharp bluff]

just wondering, never remember anyone in here mentioning that part

but nice to see

The battlements after only show orcs though

bit confusing on that part

[zealous basalt]

Rest in pasta hunters

[rugged sluice]

Can someone tell me whats going on with Life tap for locks?

[untold fractal]

Just finished Before the Storm, never expected a gnome and goblin to give me feels

[zealous basalt]

Oi

Beta people

[dense plover]

ya

[zealous basalt]

Is Transmog Run a thing in the beta?

[dense plover]

no one tries

old raids are impossible currently

they havent re-added the legacy buffs yet

[zealous basalt]

Ah

[dense plover]

ptr would honestly be the better place to test that

[zealous basalt]

But do you know if Transmog run will be a thing?

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i think personal loot will only be for current content

but im not sure

[zealous basalt]

I heard something about them implementing a new loot type for old content so we can get lots of tmogs

[dense plover]

oh yeah

i think they did say something about that a while ago

lemme go see if i can find it

[sharp bluff]

they havn't added that in yet as far as i know

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=282075/loot-rules-for-transmog-runs-legacy-loot-mode-in-battle-for-azeroth

[sharp bluff]

it was a while back but i remember what you are talking about

[dense plover]

yeah its not in yet

im sure it will come

its just a low priority

[untold fractal]

“The number of items dropped by bosses will be the same as it would have been if you were in a full party. So if you’re in a 5-player dungeon, you’ll get 5 players’ worth of loot.
For raids with a flexible raid size (such as Raid Finder), this will act as though there were 20 players in the raid” I wonder if this only counts for wearable items or if mounts also have the same ability to drop. Giving a higher base chance for mounts to drop

[zealous basalt]

only items

[untold fractal]

I wonder because it o my says loot, and technically reigns are items

Only*

[meager warren]

For the Horde v Alliance and neutral factions argument

http://prntscr.com/jptjy2

and i have some facts if you try to bring up "it's not World of PEACECRAFT"

[sharp bluff]

so peach, which zone do you recomend to start with

[zealous basalt]

whocaresaboutpeace

[sharp bluff]

you have been in the beta for awhile

[meager warren]

nobody.
but, apparently peace is synonymous with getting rid of the stupidity of the H v A

[zealous basalt]

Then you have the first games of which WoW is based of

That are Orcs vs Humans

Outland vs Azeroth

[meager warren]

?
in Outland v Azeroth, it was TBC

re-read that

[zealous basalt]

Outland as

The Outland horde

[meager warren]

wat

[zealous basalt]

against the Human Alliance

[meager warren]

as in...
Orcs and Humans?

[zealous basalt]

Yes

[meager warren]

.-.

[forest tartan]

im prety sure thrall boot fucked a demon back through the dark portal at least once

[meager warren]

well in every other expac, there's been more than just H v A

so, even without that, it wouldn't be peacecraft

[zealous basalt]

Eh, it would be really boring if it is just peace

[meager warren]

wat

[zealous basalt]

Like really peace

No threats

Nothing

[meager warren]

smh

[forest tartan]

globlins and gnomes having babies

wont anyone think of the children"

[meager warren]

http://prntscr.com/jptjy2

[zealous basalt]

Eh...still

I like world of warcraft the way it is right now

[meager warren]

it wouldn't be PEACEcraft

i do too but it'd be better without the contrived and tired faction v faction scheme

at this point, i don't know what they're even fighting over
and blizz probably doesn't either

[forest tartan]

harvest moon: warcraft edition

[zealous basalt]

More like Original Harvest robots

[meager warren]

World of Warcraft: Wild Hunt

[forest tartan]

today thrall must harvest his crops into the wooned box or he wont have money for that hut expansion

[zealous basalt]

...Is there an mmorpg with no pvp?

[meager warren]

not that i can think of

but then again, i don't know many mmorpgs

i think wow is the only one i play

[zealous basalt]

I have played a few and there is always some sort of pvp

But no

WoW is good the way it is...what it is wrong is how Blizzard tries to give us an story that develops in conflict

[sharp bluff]

I must say they added some things I never knew the horde needed in the beta

T-rexs with spear guns, very nice touch

[meager warren]

I have a feeling Anduin is going to die just like Varian because he, like his father, was one of the chances that the Horde/ Alliance war would end.

[zealous basalt]

There are two ways for this to end

Two ways that are different...Sylvanas wants all to be under her command, Anduin wants a true peace

[meager warren]

or both

and Anduin dies because Sylvanas disagrees

[zealous basalt]

Though

It is canon that anduin survives

[sharp bluff]

^

[meager warren]

for now.
but what happens when he gets old enough that that doesn't matter

[zealous basalt]

So probably Sylvanas dies or becomes so paranoid and crazy that she kills herself

...If he is powerful now

When he gets old he will be a housepower

[meager warren]

or what if, the one that is uber-old s from another alternate timeline

[zealous basalt]

no

[meager warren]

[meager warren]

kinky

[zealous basalt]

Yeah

Probs Sylvanas is long dead

[meager warren]

or Sylvanas is holding Anduin captive in the future

[sharp bluff]

I wonder how they will retcon that with the void elfs now

[forest tartan]

the windrunner sisters all have to fight together

[zealous basalt]

I think you don't see what is happening, murderous

[meager warren]

there are three windrunner sisters right?

foursome when

[forest tartan]

yea so the alliance takes in void elves but not forsaken or bloodelves

[zealous basalt]

They are willing to take them if they want

[forest tartan]

thats like having a walking bomb in everyhallway

[hollow dock]

To be fair Grape

[meager warren]

well, the alliance already have worgen.
I wonder how the worgen and void elves will interact

[hollow dock]

Forsaken tried when Onyxia was im charge

[meager warren]

will the void elves treat the worgen as inferior or will they be friends since they're very alike

[hollow dock]

Blood elces never actually tried to join the alliance

Elves*

[meager warren]

but they tried to leave and succeeded

[forest tartan]

what up with the yellow blood elf eyes now

[hollow dock]

Sunwell

Its veen a thing since BC

[forest tartan]

back to being highelves

[hollow dock]

When the sunwell swapped from Arcane to Light

[zealous basalt]

...

Ogod

[hollow dock]

Theyre not high elves still

[zealous basalt]

what have you done

[sharp bluff]

Oh hey Vris is awake

[hollow dock]

Ive been awake. Just on downtime for D&D. Back to the action for me

[sharp bluff]

Got you

[meager warren]

oh hey, vris s asleep again

[sharp bluff]

So let me get this straight, the Fox people ride hyenas, have llamas pull carts, have pet ferrets , fly on buzzards, AND have child models?

geez

[meager warren]

"size does matter. But only in terms of ferocity factor"

[zealous basalt]

So

what is going to happen with the option to buy appearance changes?

[meager warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

what do you mean?

oh, because of skin options in barbers?

it still lets you change your character's gender

[zealous basalt]

ah yeah

inb4 the barber become a surgeon

[meager warren]

"Please, kind sir. Do not cut my hair!"

[ornate pivot]

dumb question, how do we send screenshots on the bug report?

I don't think he's supposed to be standing through this

[uncut vault]

its a kul tiras wide issue

actually a hilarious story

[ornate pivot]

Interesting

[uncut vault]

there was an issue with the Horde war campaign boat in the alliance zones being too low in the water

and in the process of raising it up a bit, they raised all of the non-grounded assets in KT

[ornate pivot]

lol, uh oh

I hope they know they raised some of the buildings, too

[untold fractal]

@ornate pivot I take screen shots, upload them privately to imgur and then include a link to the pic in the report

[ornate pivot]

that makes sense, ty

[sour burrow]

You can just report from that location. Location info is saved when you report the bug. That's generally enough, if it's something obvious and visual.

[ornate pivot]

ok, that works as well, ty

[dense plover]

they literally know

itll almost definitely be fixeed next build

[ornate pivot]

ok, I didn't know, so I did report it anyway, oops

[dense plover]

they probably undid it already but since a build hasnt been pushed we dont know

[zealous basalt]

its good that you report

[dense plover]

well fyi, you can rreport a bug such as "hole in the world" and it will report your current location with the report

so you dont have to do much else

[zealous basalt]

I try to report all the cinematics that have the camera fucked

[ornate pivot]

ok, thank you

I try to when I notice

[dense plover]

they know about the fucked cinematics

i report vo overlap, and world holes

and stat stuff

like world quest emmisaries giving regular gear rewards for azerite slots

[ornate pivot]

makes sense

[vast mirage]

how do i faction change on the beta? it only shows up on some chars?

[uncut vault]

Character services just randomly show up on chars, cant control it

[vast mirage]

oh

is there any way to randomize it again

[warm berry]

im finally with cool kids?

[drifting current]

cries

[warm berry]

bfa and world cup? best day ever

[sage night]

@drifting current y u cry

[drifting current]

Because I don’t have beta yet

And in 11 years of playing have never had beta

It’s a tragic life

[tropic trail]

Just noticed beta in my battle.net launcher, when I wanted to install latest PTR.

First time having beta since I started playing.

Everything feels pretty solid, but so unfinished. Is it me, or are other people feeling the same?

[sullen dagger]

lots

[tropic trail]

I got beta the same day I cancelled my sub 🤔

[grizzled sleet]

@tropic trail Marketing

[quartz gazelle]

"At what cost did we drive them back.."

[agile token]

A future teller in zandalar just foretold a bad future for Bolvar

[near cosmos]

now all Bolvar needs is a song... a song of fire and ice

[quartz gazelle]

Roll Credits.

[zealous basalt]

So I'm confused

What kind of azerite does the heart of azeroth suck?

Because with all the azerite powder...

[near cosmos]

remember artifact power?

that

and it's called artifact power again

but instead of giving you an item you have to handwiggle, it's like a currency

[zealous basalt]

I know the mechanic

But I'm confused

In Boralus we see azerite in the form of gunpowder

[restive sage]

is there still a chance i can get beta

o.o

[zealous basalt]

But the Heart doesnt absorb it

[hollow dock]

Its raw unrefined azerite

[restive sage]

or are they not doing that anymore

[hollow dock]

Thats what it sucjs

Sucks*

At this point Lord, just wait it out

[restive sage]

._.

but i wanna playyyyyy

i want a special necklace

[zealous basalt]

Raw unrefined azerite

Freaking heart needs an specific azerite

[restive sage]

y dose blizz not love me

[near cosmos]

You know what you did that one time in Goldshire Inn on Moonguard. Don't even try to deny it.

😛

[restive sage]

o.o

[zealous basalt]

Oof

[zealous basalt]

Oi

Loot Legacy rules are implemented

[hollow dock]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooois

blizzard never does anything good thoug

[hollow dock]

but

blizzard is only evil

and anti-fun

how can this be?!

[zealous basalt]

Are you high vris?

[oak wraith]

... was that from a Christmas stocking? 😋

[zealous basalt]

Also, does someone know if they capped mark of the crane to 5?

[hollow dock]

Are you only able to mark 5 or do they run out as you're marking them? o= I dont know how monk works all that well

[zealous basalt]

Only 5

In live i can mark up to 15 if im lucky

Well

Loot legacy mode is interesting

I get 2 things per kill in 40m raids

xD

Going to try WoD

[hollow dock]

Sounds about right to what's on live

2-3 things per with chances at greens

[zealous basalt]

Well

If I count greens and rest of loot

6 things

greens and epic

Gonna try HFC normal

...

Got my ass kicked

xD

And legacy loot mode doesn't activate in HFC

[zealous basalt]

Nope

Legacy loot system doesn't work in lvl 100 raids

[hollow dock]

alright time to slap those with the bug report

[zealous basalt]

Did already

[rocky jackal]

how can I copy my character to bfa ptr? I can't see the option on the character selection screen

[hollow dock]

Change servers around

[rocky jackal]

Nothing

It doesn't appear

[molten gyro]

that option is gone while they work on things

[rocky jackal]

oh I thought they activated it already

[molten gyro]

Was*

[hollow dock]

Is not gone for me o=

[rocky jackal]

could you show me your screen, please?

[hollow dock]

Sorry was cooking. I just logged in today and saw it's no longer up. 0= It was up just fine yesterday. Suppose I was wrong

[dense plover]

yeah they disabled it, probably until next build

too many issues with it to keep it online

[rocky jackal]

;_;

thank you anyway

[tropic trail]

what are legacy loot rules?

[hollow dock]

10/25 man loots.

[rocky jackal]

there is a maintenance on june 19th, is it for the prepatch already?

[untold fractal]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=282075/loot-rules-for-transmog-runs-legacy-loot-mode-in-battle-for-azeroth

[hollow dock]

nope, Nyare.

If there is a patch coming, especially a content one, you get a pre-download

Hasn't happened yet so pre-patch aint coming yet

[worn rune]

pre-patch also only went live on ptr like 3 days ago

[hollow dock]

With it only NOW hitting the PTR

[dense plover]

there is maintenance every tuesday

[hollow dock]

don't expect it on live for a while

[dense plover]

they announce in advance so people dont get upset

prepatch wont come before july 1st

[rocky jackal]

yea I was expecting it 4-3 weeks before the expansion, as always

[dense plover]

they made the announcement that wow will stop supporting 32bit after july 1st

so they cant drop the patch before that

[hollow dock]

why ask if it'll be any sooner then? O.o

[rocky jackal]

because I read somewhere that this maintenance will be for the prepatch

[hollow dock]

Get their source

[rocky jackal]

that's why I came here asking, because it sounded weird

[mint arch]

i mean, we havent even seen the pre-patch on PTR fully

[untold fractal]

They do server restarts and "maintenance" every tuesday. And they bring down the PTR servers when every they need, without really scheduling them

[hollow dock]

It's an hour long maintenance #1, that's not maintenance of a patch, #2, blizzard has given us a time frame for prepatch htiting the servers.

4-6 weeks before launch

and we know its launch is halfway in august

next week really doesn't fit in the timeframe presented

[worn rune]

Will cutting edge be taken away with prepatch? I think so?

[rocky jackal]

okay thank you for all your kind answers

[hollow dock]

It wont

CE/AOTC are taken away as soon as the next raiding tier is up

Pre-patch isn't a raiding tier.

[worn rune]

I killed Garrosh in MoP prepatch and didn't get CE

err WoD Prepatch

[hollow dock]

I killed em and still got it during Prepatch o;

same with archimonde.

[worn rune]

I feel cheated now.

Something's also janky with my character profile on the website, it says I have no garrosh kills, but I definitely have mythic garrosh achive

[hollow dock]

ensure its on the right difficulty?

[worn rune]

Mythic Garrosh oct 21st, 2014. Prepatch came on oct 14th and WoD launched Nov 13th

So I got it a week after the prepatch

No cutting edge

and my account profile on the website does not show I've killed it any amount of times

[hollow dock]

I got my mythic kills during Pre-patch and I got awarded my CE iirc along with a mount. since two mythic mounts were dropping at a time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

oh yeah, i wonder how easy or difficult mythic argus will be

i mean, we wont have our artifacts disabled immediately

so raiding will be an option

[worn rune]

I think we will

[hollow dock]

We will peach

[worn rune]

As soon as prepatch drops, they disable all artifacts

[hollow dock]

it's disabled as soon as pre-patch is up

the quest doesn't disable them

Once pre-patch hits, all the class changes come in. So the artifacts being active is a problem

[dense plover]

no, its disabled on ptr

we dont know that artifacts deactivate on launch

that wouldnt make sense

[hollow dock]

Why would it make sense for the artifacts to exist

[dense plover]

since the drain quest is what deactivates them

[hollow dock]

My unholy spec would have 2 apoc spells

since its baseline and the artifact ability

[dense plover]

oh

yeah i guess they will auto disable

still, wonder what the difficulty of raids will be

[hollow dock]

I think they'll be slightly easier

[dense plover]

probably

[hollow dock]

since scaling of us for stats is insanely high

[zealous basalt]

The important stuff of the artifact becomes baseline

Other stuff become talents

[hollow dock]

We just won't have all the QoL stuff

[zealous basalt]

And this is funny

[uncut vault]

Artifact abilities are auto disabled on launch regardless of the artifact being drained

I did the quest to get the fire wep in alpha, all the other traits except the ability worked

That said, they probably will all be disabled on patch day anyways

[zealous basalt]

So I'm reading before the storm

Chapter 3 changed my ways towards Sylvanas

[hollow dock]

She's literally not changed at all.

She's the same manipulative bitch in WC3. I love her for that.

[zealous basalt]

This book is awesome, I turn back what I said about golden

Must read more

[hollow dock]

Most of Golden's books have been amazing

[dense plover]

oh yeah

she is 100% a bitch

[hollow dock]

there's a reason she got hired onto the writing team

[dense plover]

but that doesnt mean i dont understand why she does what she does

i actually cried at the thing towards the end

[hollow dock]

She benefits from war. She wants to wash humanity out and bring all into undeath. She wants control, where she has none

[dense plover]

she also wants to remain in power

but she doesnt want to be warchief

they made it really clear that she doesnt like that job

[hollow dock]

Oh god

please don't tell me she's Lorthemar v2.0

[dense plover]

no

she just doesnt like being unable to act from the shadows

she understands the different characters of the horde

there is a precession scene where she gives her opinion of each horde race

[uncut vault]

She’s fine with the power, she just dislikes the constant spotlight on her actions. Which makes sense

[dense plover]

she really only dislikes goblins and tauren - goblins because theyre gross, taurens because they love nature too much - but she respects the tauren because they helped the forsaken join the horde

[zealous basalt]

She prefers being in her house

Being herself

But in the dark

[dense plover]

^

[zealous basalt]

So now I wonder

[meager warren]

Wait, who

[zealous basalt]

In the case

That horde wins and get eastern kingdoms

[hollow dock]

scroll up arson

[meager warren]

Sylvanas?

[hollow dock]

Why would that happen Mak? they get Kalmindor

[zealous basalt]

What will happen after they get all the resources?

Its just an "if"

[hollow dock]

that wasn't an if :p in which we already know what happens

it was told to us in Blizzcon

[zealous basalt]

Do they eat all dem resources?

[hollow dock]

Unless plans have changed, the horde pushes us off of Kalmindor and we push them off of the Eastern Kingdoms

[meager warren]

"She gives her opinion on each horde race"
So.. she makes herself known as racist?
Wonderful.

[zealous basalt]

Nonono

Hyphotetical case

[hollow dock]

uh, yes. that's the current plan and layout

[zealous basalt]

And not in the expac but in general

[meager warren]

If that were the case, they'd have to update everything like what happened in cata

[zealous basalt]

Let's say that they get the green lands

[hollow dock]

no they dont arson

they've already stated that they aren't

[meager warren]

Wat

[zealous basalt]

And all the resources they want to explodd

[hollow dock]

You have really short term memory :p

[meager warren]

Yes i do

[zealous basalt]

Would they spend everything?

[hollow dock]

Yes they would.

You've seen the operate in ashenvale

operation*

They only devour and nothing more

[zealous basalt]

They need some plan of life imo

[hollow dock]

they do have aplan of life

wipe out the alliance and they live

hordes not one for long term planning

that'd be the alliance :p

[zealous basalt]

I stg horde

Y u do dis

[hollow dock]

stg?

[zealous basalt]

Swear to god

[meager warren]

Because the Horde is fuckin dumb

[zealous basalt]

Also props to Genn for telling Anduin to get a waifu

[meager warren]

Genn can fuck the fuck off

[zealous basalt]

inb4 he offers his daughter

[meager warren]

Ooof

[hollow dock]

ignore the fact that Genn is finally growing up and is accepting that the Forsaken, and yes the horde, are people too. It's just sylvanas that's the issue

and Mak, Anduin shut Genn downbefore he could offer his daughter

[meager warren]

Explain

[zealous basalt]

Kek

[hollow dock]

Read before the storm arson

[zealous basalt]

Inb4 Talia

[meager warren]

Ok

[hollow dock]

or remember our conversation when all the spoilers came out

cuz we talked about this weeks ago

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[meager warren]

But the book is going to be differentfronm the game

[hollow dock]

its not

[meager warren]

What if it is

[zealous basalt]

They ain't adding stuff from the book

[hollow dock]

they are mak

There is a grave for all of the desolate council members in arathi on beta.

that's solely from the book

[zealous basalt]

Not the references

I meant like

Making the book something ingame

[hollow dock]

Oh

like a quest or something

yea they won't do that

but the book is 100% canon to the lore arson

[zealous basalt]

That would be a big duck you to Golden

[hollow dock]

I dont see how

you cna make portions of a book into a quest in game

[zealous basalt]

Portions yes

Not the whole thing

[hollow dock]

thats what ever dungeon/scenario involving the Well of eternity is

[meager warren]

Golden likes Sylvanas so i don't know how her opi ion matters

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas has literally not changed

and she's warchief

so yes her opinion matters

Not to mention Golden is now an official WoW writer

[meager warren]

Shush

[hollow dock]

she's on the team

[meager warren]

Which is sad

[hollow dock]

so yes her opinion matters even more

[meager warren]

Shitty writers shouldn't be on blizz

I mean, she might be better than the last few ones

But not by much

[dense plover]

whole thing is canon

[hollow dock]

all of WoW's team is shitty writers arson

[zealous basalt]

"It used to be red"

That will be Gallywix trigger now

[dense plover]

i liked the book

[rich apex]

Remember, Blizz and Golden are biased towards Sylvanas

That's why they made Sylvanas look even worse by directly contrasting her with Golden Boi Anduin

[hollow dock]

I did too

[zealous basalt]

I'm liking it

[rich apex]

It is good, yes

[sullen dagger]

aight

blizzard is biased aganist sylvannas

christie golden aswell

[hollow dock]

How?

they both wrote her perfectly

[sullen dagger]

half of the playerbase too

i am being sarcastic

[rich apex]

Oh they wrote her exactly has she's been

[hollow dock]

She's manipulative, she's a bitch, she's controlling and shaping up to be a great antagonist

[sullen dagger]

use occam's principle

[terse patrol]

the playerbase wanted Sylvanas as leader, lets be real. But they didn’t want what comes with her.

[rich apex]

Ruthless, paranoid, and unheathily obsessive

[terse patrol]

Aka, “are we the baddies?”

[sullen dagger]

if she walks like a duck, tweets like a duck, looks like a duck, she's a duck

[rich apex]

(I still wouldn't bet on her being the finale raid boss)

[sullen dagger]

a.k.a manipulative and obssessive dead elf

[hollow dock]

Yea. that's what she's always been

since WC3

[terse patrol]

She was a villain even in WC3

[sullen dagger]

since she died to arthas mainly

'problem is, they should have dispatched her in tlk

[rich apex]

They need -someone- to be an instigator of conflict

[sullen dagger]

after the undead regainiing a lining of freedom she shoud have disappeared

[terse patrol]

The short story with Nathanos and her when they were alive implied she was even a bit of a sociopath in life.

[rich apex]

And of course they're going to go with the undead who's literally incapable of sentiment

Ain't as if Baine is going to start a war

[sullen dagger]

playerbase wanted the tiddies

[terse patrol]

If Baine becomes warchief, expect the faction war to end.

[restive sage]

yup

[rich apex]

Tbh I keep hearing people say that everyone loves Sylvie

[sullen dagger]

cause lets be real, goth tiddies > a cow

[hollow dock]

but that's the thing omake. It's very possible that the forsaken aren't 100% free. At least, right away.

[rich apex]

As everyone whines about Svlie

Like I will 100% defend the nuance of Sylvie's character

[sullen dagger]

i do agree, vris

[rich apex]

But I've yet to see anyone actually support her

Compared to Garrosh "did nuffing wrong" Hellscream

[hollow dock]

I support her

[sullen dagger]

one thousand percent sure that undead aint free willed at all

[rich apex]

👌

I mean