That is a lot of VO
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
uncut vault
but do you do anything with them?
slate ingot
didnt derek die in wc3
slate ingot
so does this mean we may see crestfall?
uncut vault
possibly yeah
slate ingot
as his boat sunk near crestfall
slate ingot
he was sitting in the water with flesh and muscles
if you do grab and go on the horde in beta
slate ingot
they did fix the tirisgarde campaign on horde as well to continue the fight there
terse patrol
how could he still have meat on his bones
@slate ingot
Unless its a placeholder model or something
slate ingot
it was a kul'tiran model
slate ingot
a normal size
uncut vault
do you need 112 for it?
slate ingot
no clue
uncut vault
salt water I guess
terse patrol
Its impossible
Even at huge depths like that, there would be sea life that would consume his corpse
In 5 years, even without animals eating it, it’d be a skeleton.
terse patrol
They changed it?
uncut vault
ya
terse patrol
To be less genocidey?
rich apex
Bahahaha
tropic trail
I guess she didn't tell them to slaughter the villagers, just secure a foothold and stop the supply lines, but it's still super weird the horde went into genocide mode
terse patrol
well
they did it on draenor without demon blood
:p
Now the righteous Draenei are punishing them.
Its funny. Orcs who joined the Draenei call their non-Light following kin “savages.”
uncut vault
they gave more reasoning before the orders too
brennadam is the second largest port in kul tiras
Horde was expecting full resistance, didnt know the fleet was away
trail sail
lol.
terse patrol
Stronk orc paladins, bringing civilization to their pathetic tribal kin.
rigid furnace
I'll admit, suddenly entirely Light Fanatical Draenei becoming the oppressors was not expected. But it didn't really have any moment that was visible to the player during WoD that they'd go that route either. I guess it's just more "The Light by itself is not inherently good" rhetoric.
Hmm, Draenor had their embodiment of Life Magic with the Botani go awry too. Must be something in the air. :P
tropic trail
are orc pallies confirmed? I haven't been paying attention to news the last few days
terse patrol
Well it’s been 35 years.
@tropic trail We can assume the Lightbound Mag’har have paladins. But they aren’t playable. . . yet.
Alliance orcs when
tropic trail
daddy saurfang please
rigid furnace
How would you reconcile them into the Mag'har as an option though? I don't see it. I bet Lightbound Orcs probably look similar to Lightforged. Just ya know, Orcs.
terse patrol
They’d likely go Alliance, or a future Light faction
rigid furnace
From the text it seems like in spite of our avoiding total disaster, Draenor still withered away mostly.
terse patrol
Well, Gorgrond did at leasy
We assume Grom’s Horde continued their rampant lumber operations
I assume Shadowmoon and Talador are Draenei held.
Maybe even Nagrand
Because it seems like Grom’s Horde isnt doing so hot
rigid furnace
"This once-fertile land is now lifeless dust. That's what your hate has done!"
So, that sounds like New-Nagrand is kinda...not doin' so hot.
meager warren
🐼 Taranzhu was right!
rigid furnace
I mean, of all the lands owned. Nagrand is by far the most fertile that the Horde of AU had.
rigid furnace
True. Just was trying to figure out if their cries are more broad strokes or not.
tropic trail
just skimmed through the orc scenario, yeah doesn't sound like orc paladins will be playable
rigid furnace
Maybe Grom's Orcs finished off the Botani entirely after we left. And that caused the vegetation to regress and more of Gorgrond to be desert.
tropic trail
what are the arrakoa doing during this war tho
slate ingot
Not caring or deae
karmic copper
Nothing
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/jfkivi
Sylvanas fan-plebs at it again
slate ingot
I'm interested to see if the Derek proudmoore find leads to crestfall
Or crestfall as a wavefront
Warfront*
karmic copper
I'd want the islands from Warcraft 2 to be in a patch
slate ingot
I mean there's what crestfall and
tropic trail
I want to see azerite infused sentient bananas on tel'abim
karmic copper
Balor
terse patrol
I assume the tall Arakkoa might join the Lightbound.
The corrupted Arakkoa, not so much.
slate ingot
Isn't one close to kul tiras and the others near zandalar
rigid furnace
The Mag'har probably don't think well of Mag'har priests. Which are likely there to be a nod to the Shadowmoon. Which conspicuously AREN'T a racial skin option. Likely because in the end they either were enslaved or accepted their new light infused overlords.
terse patrol
@rigid furnace They are a skin option
karmic copper
Zul'dare is near gilneas and crestfall and balor are close to wetlands
terse patrol
They just lack tattoos
meager warren
i want to see murlocs that don't have the brainpower of pre-historic humans
slate ingot
So you would think possible strategic targets for the horde
karmic copper
Zul'dare, despite its Zandali sounding name doesnt have any trolls on it, its not close to zandalar
rigid furnace
Were they added recently @terse patrol ? Because all that was in the beta last I saw was the following: Blackrock, Shattered Hand with Variants, Warsong with Variants, and Bleeding Hollow with Variants.
terse patrol
The Horde would go through literal hell trying to invade the Wetlands.
karmic copper
Cause of the islands?
sudden oak
isnt what you said just jinyu? @meager warren
terse patrol
Marshes and angry dwarves everywhere.
terse patrol
The Alliance has gnomes.
karmic copper
And im sure that goblins brought lawnmowers
karmic copper
If Blizz remembers to add gnomes
meager warren
@sudden oak no
terse patrol
Why the fuck does Blizzard always forget gnomes exist?
meager warren
they need to hire proper writers
karmic copper
Cause Gnomeregan isnt a city anymore
terse patrol
The Alliance would have expected Blight to be used.
meager warren
Gnomeregan is a city tho?
terse patrol
So they’d show up with gas masks.
tropic trail
they hired a proper writer for this expansion I thought
rigid furnace
Nah, Blizzard just tends to forget most of the 2nd War tech exists period. Like, the Azerite Tank is an Orcish Dwarven Siege tank but Genn's like "What is that?!"
terse patrol
like really
rigid furnace
Also true. It's meant to make it a big spectacle.
karmic copper
Oh yea
terse patrol
But yeah. Invading the Wetlands means being in direct range of the Ironforge airport, siege tanks, numerous dwarven bunkers, dwarven snipers, airships, etc.
karmic copper
So horde is screwed
terse patrol
If they made it into the mountain passes? Extra fucked.
karmic copper
If they do that
They could try and go for Gilneas though
Since duskhaven and the area there is sunken
rigid furnace
It's weird too, because they remembered gnomish tech for the intro to panda. and promptly forgot until BFA's intro.
terse patrol
Dark Irons have kinda replaced gnomes lmao
uncut vault
I mean he says what is that because it has a big ass blue crystal cannon on top that incinerates their towers
rigid furnace
True, and it is considerably larger than their own tanks sitting by the sidelines.
karmic copper
Genn is old, so he might not have remembered the big horde tank thing.
rigid furnace
But the design borrows so much, it doesn't feel very new.
karmic copper
Hes like 50 years old
uncut vault
also gnomes are getting a bit of tech presence in BfA, one of the buildings in the alliance warfront, a leader in every single horde warfront
terse patrol
Watch, if we get Junker Gnomes, they’ll replace normal gnomes lmao
uncut vault
just wish they remembered that gelbin literally invented the siege engine
rigid furnace
Maybe they bought specs to a dwarven siege tank off the black market, and thought. Let's orc it up, and put a BIG cannon on top.
terse patrol
Orcs dont build their tech
rigid furnace
True, goblins do.
tropic trail
goblins belves and undead are the only races in the horde with any knowledge beyond the stone age
rigid furnace
But it has Orcish design asthetic is my point.
meager warren
50 isn't old, m8
terse patrol
The Alliance still technically has the technology advantage.
rigid furnace
technically? They have a spaceship.
karmic copper
Or well, genn is old
terse patrol
Between Draenei, Gnomes, Dwarves, and Dark Irons, the Alliance dominates the tech front.
But
unborn pagoda
Someobe said tinker / technomancer class? 
tropic trail
oh and the belf knowledge brought by the void elves
rigid furnace
Yes, not mass-produced boost to tech. But a space-age race that while splintered, one section still actively produces tech lightyears beyond the horde.
terse patrol
Blizzard will conveniently forget the Vindicaar exists.
uncut vault
theyll crash it
terse patrol
Because the Alliance would have stomped Sylvanas as soon as she started the war
tropic trail
nah, they'll have a group of nightborne teleport on board and disable it or something, somehow beating the elite lightforged warriors
terse patrol
@uncut vault Nah, because it’s the Lightforged hub.
rigid furnace
Having the army of the light be in our corner is basically flipping over a table of a game you thought was balanced.
terse patrol
They’d have to make them a new hub.
I mean, the Alliance has a dang Lightforged Nathrezim.
Horde doesn’t have Varimathras anymore :p
tropic trail
dreadlords are pretty tough, if I remember correctly, the first guardian was made to fight a dreadlord right?
rigid furnace
Plus, the AoL have the capability to have a mobile base outside Horde reach that can establish encampments anywhere they feel like and continually be able to supply them with re-enforcements from SW or where ever they put their teleport pads down.
meager warren
Anduin also has Painbringer
rigid furnace
It just is entirely a strategist's nightmare. Especially for Iron-Industrial Age Horde.
Oh and Void Elves can Void Port where they feel like it too as shown in the intro. So...yeah, it's a bit lopsided.
uncut vault
the BfA stuff was alleria, not void elves in general
rigid furnace
True, she's the one with the greater control and power over it. You're right.
Still. For strategy, I don't envy the horde.
tropic trail
Nightborne are probably some of the best mages on azeroth, so maybe they'll even the scales a bit
meager warren
it may be one-sided but the Horde has a sexy military powerhouse at the front of their army who will somehow keep the horde equal to the alliance
'cause plot
rigid furnace
Eh, against Velfs. Maybe. The tele pads they have are pretty comparable to AoL. But having a mobile base, in space, fairly safe from reactionary threats. Kinda beats even the magic tech.
However, that's about all the Alliance got.
The horde got two new breadbaskets.
And I think that'll play a role too.
terse patrol
People forget, those telepads need to atune to a stationary port.
Point*
The Vindicaar can just keep moving.
rigid furnace
Still, a point in space compared to a known identified location on the planet.
meager warren
the goblins can probably cook up a way of homing in on the vindicaar's location
rigid furnace
But yeah, Highmountain can supply food and labor.
And Nightborne have a literal jewel on the coast so they have fishing industry they can add as well as accumulated knowledge of magic.
As a lot of issues with the horde have been resource driven, both are them are ideal allies in assisting with that.
tropic trail
how many highmountain are there really tho?
tropic trail
I'd say about on par with the velf story
mint arch
worse
tropic trail
"we're in the middle of a war right now, but here, take a fairly sizable amount of soldiers"
meager warren
how is it worse tho
mint arch
well, velf barely has a story
tropic trail
I'd say about the same simply because they did exist before they became an allied race
meager warren
"Oh yes, lemme just convince all these blood elves to betray their faction. Will totally work."
tropic trail
even if they have a worse intro
mint arch
ya, both are terrible stories
rigid furnace
It's just a way to have it be a sudden inversion of MU events with no rhyme or reason other than "lol the light can be malicious now"
meager warren
Lor'themar banishing them is bullshit
meager warren
he's all comfy with hanging with nelves but not with velves?
oh and forsaken
and fel orcs
mint arch
^
meager warren
but velves? nope
terse patrol
I’m tentatively going to watch this Draenor plot. I’m not going to write it off completely.
mint arch
makes no sense
mint arch
yup
rigid furnace
Lor'themar was sooooooo stupid. Just gotta banish all these people, "gasp they sought allies! That makes them traitors despite being banished!"
terse patrol
tbh, Yrel is kinda right in what shes doing, in a way.
The Orcs genocided without needing demon blood.
They’re wrecking the planet.
terse patrol
So, she’s gunna stop it and bring peace.
meager warren
but Lor'themar can cozy up to them just fine but not velves?
mint arch
i forget what the defense is here
tropic trail
if this was an ongoing war about finishing off the rest of groms and garrys "iron horde" I'd agree, but we don't know the full context behind the current situation
sudden oak
Lor'themar banished them because they were a direct threat to the sunwell if im not mistaken
terse patrol
My guess is? Grom sends the playable Mag’har to Azeroth, knowing he’s going to lose to Yrel.
mint arch
end of WOD things looked over
rigid furnace
Yeah, his only reaction was sucking up to the Shelves and tossing anyone not "pretty" out.
mint arch
and looked like there was peace/alliance between yrel and grom
terse patrol
When we finally check back in with them, Grom is dead.
And his paladin son now rules the Lightforged orcs.
rigid furnace
Nah, text has him talkin'.
tropic trail
and then alliance race
rigid furnace
Ah. I see.
mint arch
but hey, yrel was a terrible char in WOD, so w/e
meager warren
i want to see the army of the void
tropic trail
not any worse than kylo ren'dorei
sudden oak
im sure its not worse than ren'dorei 
terse patrol
I bet you they’ll reveal Yrel killed Durotan.
meager warren
wtf is ren'dorei
sudden oak
void elves
rigid furnace
Velfs
mint arch
wanna see my army huh @meager warren then come join our lord and saviour Nzoth :D
he shall save us all~
meager warren
i would if Bliz allowed us to join the "bad guys"
rigid furnace
It feels like a slap in the face of both legendary ring questlines honestly.
sudden oak
also Lor'themar banished the velfs because they were a threat to the sunwell not because he didnt like them
meager warren
how was he a threat tho
tropic trail
they were banished before they were velfs tho
rigid furnace
He banished them for merely looking into void magic
sudden oak
they use void magic
tropic trail
holy/arcane of gtfo
meager warren
and ... forsaken aren't unholy energy?
sudden oak
you see them standing near the sunwell?
mint arch
apparently blizzard want all of the energies of the universe to be their new buzzword "grey"
meager warren
no but i'm sure there are some in silvermoon
mint arch
light, fel, death, void, arcane, w/e
terse patrol
Look, in Wrath, Lor’themar didn’t even like people saying naughty words around the Sunwell.
So
Its not out of character
“THIS IS A HOLY PLACE REEEEEE”
tropic trail
they don't have a god tho
meager warren
they worship the light
meager warren
basically do
tropic trail
they're just mana junkies that dont want their unlimited drugpool getting corrupted
sudden oak
the simple fact that darkan drathir was also dabbling with the void was reason enought to ban the practice
meager warren
it wasn't tho
terse patrol
People forget that the Blood Knights serve the Naaru.
rigid furnace
You restored elemental balance! Life withered anyway
You drove out the Legion and have brought peace to the planet!
BRING PEACE TO EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF METHOD OR CONSISTENCY
terse patrol
They arent corrupt assholes anymore
sudden oak
and they were told by rommath to stop many times and ignored him
terse patrol
For some reason, fail RPers still think they’re edgelords.
meager warren
"I may be on the side of the angels but don't think for one moment that i am one of them."
it's possible to serve the light while working in the shadow
tropic trail
I just remember them being assholes during their mount quest
tropic trail
literally burning down the human church because "lel these guys are nerds"
mint arch
sherlock reference 👍
tropic trail
I'm sure they're good guys now tho, liadrin has gone through a lot
rigid furnace
I mean, Elves in Warcraft tend to have typical haughtiness to them at times.
meager warren
i'm glad u caught that <3
terse patrol
Liadrin basically bowed to A’dal and devoted her and her knights to the Light.
sudden oak
even Alleria said that umbric was leading his people into betrayal or something like that in the quest
terse patrol
The Blood Elves follow the Light strongly now, to the point where they had all of the fel crystals destroyed.
rigid furnace
Mainly because unlike her he didn't know any better about the forces he was working with
meager warren
^
sudden oak
the blood elves are by far the least arrogant elves tbh
terse patrol
lies
terse patrol
The High Elves mingle with other races more readily.
rigid furnace
all elves in Wow do though.
meager warren
Lor'themar is pretty arrogant
tropic trail
I'd argue that the velves are now the least arrogant, kicked out of their society, it's pretty hard to stay arrogant
meager warren
what if they meant it in a dirty way
rigid furnace
Probably why Belves and Shelves get along so great. Both are fairly arrogant. Plus Shelves have a miracle fruit that fixes addiction which may or may not be a large reason why he'd kiss up so heavily.
tropic trail
pshhh, blood elves are fine with their addiction, they don't need no miracle fruit
sudden oak
I mean they were able to live fine when the sunwell was still corrupted
tropic trail
by sucking the life energy from things
sudden oak
dealing with a slight case of addiction
meager warren
"slight"
mint arch
tyrande: "My advice: avoid wells of magical energy. Not only will you become addicted, you will devolve into some flavor of... derivative elf."
xD
tropic trail
moonwell sucking intensifies
mint arch
"No, I am NOT into blindfolds. Well... perhaps a little."
"I like you. Say... would you happen to have a twin brother?"
sudden oak
Aluneth goes crazy everytime he visites a night elf zone with some many moowells lying around
mint arch
yup, new teldrassil test just continues to show how dumb sylvanas's "plan" is
lul
and jesus blizzard, just make it simple and give us a PvP gear vendor with currency
tropic trail
but but but "that doesn't encourage players to go out in the world and do content"
tropic trail
I like that he's saying that literally right in front of nathanos
mint arch
yup
tropic trail
also "I am will not"
frigid umbra
Report the bug people with the beta... i would myself but still did not get an inv... 😡
tropic trail
same
frigid umbra
Red shirt guy is overrated
mint arch
🔴 👕 👨
blissful jungle
I sent a unicorn pic to blizzard to get into the beta.
It didn't work.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
blissful jungle
🤔 🤔
oak wraith
tropic trail
No captain placeholder? Rip.
sudden oak
poor maiden of vitality
blissful jungle
Is character transfer enabled for the beta ?
ruby star
The mag'har scenario thing sounds kinda weird
ruby star
lightforged garrosh? xD
tulip torrent
The char copy is not enabled yet
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409839470779564032/443613392863756299/20180509_062038.jpg genn goes ballistic and becomes garrosh 2.0
calling it
strange falcon
she was trying to go all "xe'ra on the orcs
as far as i know
and we know how xe'ra ended up on the spaceship
ruby star
I think Illidan needs to pay a visit to Yrel
true matrix
this is the most stupid bullshit way I could ever possibly conceive for them to handle the "grey and gray morality" arc re: the light and void
why does WoD continue to be a mistake two expansions later
tropic trail
dolphins? Dolphins!!!!!!
tulip sun
Huh
Seems the horde just gets the aid of Geyarah and her soldiers....then they consider the debt paid
Hm...
tropic trail
strange falcon
@tropic trail a druid glyph turns you into that
tulip sun
Huh
They also seem pretty confident they will find a way home
I now change my opinion and think we will return sometime
tropic trail
oh didn't know, thanks!
karmic copper
Finally Dolphins
dim flower
Is anyone having issues with the Warrior class feeling very weak in the Arms specialization?
I do triple the amount of damage my Warrior does on my lower-level paladin.
And paladins have much more utility.
strange falcon
you mean on beta? its because they're trying to make arms a more sustained DMG spec
dim flower
And then my paladin is like wayyyy tankier.
Yes.
On beta.
I mean, this is #beta-ptr-spoilers 😛
"Sustained DMG spec"
So we're going back to rend warrior?
And Deep Wounds?
Because idk if that does enough damage if I'm being honest.
strange falcon
@dim flower they changed arms mastery so you're not hitting like a wet noodle until colossus smahs is up
but that seems to need more tuning
dim flower
That's what I think the issue is.
I noticed the mastery change.
(So Sudden Death might need to be the only talent you get if you want to keep more uptime on it :P)
in the first tier at least
But it just doesn't feel like enough damage.
And then there's quest mobs like the emperor that do half my hp in a single shock and I can't interrupt every single one since my interrupt CD is too long.
And I have 0 survivability since I can't victory rush.
Hopefully we see huge last moment changes because I really want to play Arms Warrior but I can't have it be so underpowered.
strange falcon
emperor is bugged tho,can't complete quest
dim flower
Not anymore.
New build went out.
Just completed it.
The snake emperor dude right?
lavish pawn
nerds
dim flower
tbh
war mode should be allowed to be activated in not just orgrimmar/stormwind, but major cities
because i just hit silvermoon to turn on war mode on accident and now i'm screwed /shrug
hollow dock
should put that onto the forums tbh.
dim flower
They listen to the forums?
ruby star
Yes
dim flower
Isn't that where everyone just bitches and complains?
hollow dock
Yes?...they just dont listen to people who bitch and moan
Like, all the Unholy changes they pushed? Most of that came from suggestions on the forums
hollow dock
Despite the fact that the CMs have constantly said, yes they look at all the forum posts
dim flower
And it's just a worse version of here
hollow dock
no they dont bring every single one to the devs
mostly just the ones that are nonsensical or just trolls
dim flower
Ehck
I really
Don't feel like getting in another argument with you
So I'm not going to
But let's just say I don't care enough to actually post it on the forums
hollow dock
🤷 not really an argument
dim flower
And I just wanted to say my opinion.
No that's why I'm not continuing.
So it doesn't become one.
dense plover
So, finally getting to post about yesterday’s build
karmic copper
New maps for Zandalar and KUltiras
dense plover
Am I the only one who finds the lightbound story to be an interesting concept?
hollow dock
I think we are peach.
I think we are.
Yrels finally interesting, in an interesting story setting. And people are saying it's destroying her character and complaining about it. :x
ruby star
@slate ingot so the kul'tiran fleet is more powerfull then the hordes and Zandalrs? and Derek ded?
terse patrol
ah yes, let us destroy kul tiras’ fleet while we’re at it.
cant let the alliance have an edge
slate ingot
apparently they want us to retrive some artifact
quest isnt tracking properly but it looks like this will be leading into boralus
hollow dock
yet they still wont destroy the Vindicaar
tropic trail
anyone getting dc'd and can't log in in southern tiragarde sound?
slate ingot
yes its a database issue
change your graphic setting to 1 you can log in and get out
tropic trail
ok thanks
slate ingot
and this boat is like majorly broken, im aggroing things through the floor and in the lowest part of the boat lol
oooh
it appears the kul'tirans were also after dereks body too
desert lotus
Guys, what do if my char stuck? When im loging insta dc
slate ingot
scroll up a bit im assuming your in tiragarde
slate ingot
trying to do the follow up quests at stormsong monastery
and I cnt remember where the third named mob is
slate ingot
no clue but both horde and alliance want it
apparently now
but in other news horde be getting into major tide magic thats like one of the most powerful tide sage artifacts
o.O like i dont know who zelling is but
misty blaze
yrel better not die...
ruby star
she better
misty blaze
but my draenei waifu 😦
slate ingot
mm but hey Lilian Voss is a follower
misty blaze
i hope we get the body guard option again in bfa clothies so squishy when leveling
ruby star
I did not like the Beauregard option
karmic copper
Bearugard
ruby star
Felt a bit weird running around with Akama
terse patrol
Zelling is a tidesage the Horde raises.
terse patrol
I wonder if the Alliance is getting any interesting quests like this
slate ingot
no clue, last I tested alliance vol'dun just stopped, nazmir was just fixed and zuldazar I didnt test yet
but this stuff happens after the first 3 footholds if you will
terse patrol
I’m just hoping the Alliance gets to hit back.
Because so far, this just feels like the Horde’s trouncing the Alliance at every turn.
slate ingot
I mean yeah it does
especially since you litterally blow up every guard and one captain in bridgeport
terse patrol
The Alliance gets to, what? Do some snake stuff? Kill some goblins with an elemental?
Get memed by blood trolls?
idk
slate ingot
and theyre raising the captain from bridge port
into a forsaken
so
ye
basically horde war campaign is raising key alliance figures in each zone dont know how the captain from tiragarde plays into it yet
while searching for derek
and capturing the tide artifact
ruby star
forsaken kul'tirn humans horde allied racexD
slate ingot
but the horde goes into drustvar to raise a marshall it seems
dont know who yet because they didnt fix the tracking issues
wild pewter
What about the Alliance version?
Also Nazi Yrel ffs
Keep getting d/c on beta also, which is frustrating.
slate ingot
no clue the alliance version isn't nearly as finished as the horde
and world server is down error beta is beta
wild pewter
Cool cool
Thought it was just me, I went over to see Fiona in Boralus and get insta d/c
and can log in, but try to move, and dc
slate ingot
alliance version you could barely finish the 3 footholds
terse patrol
Yeah, they’re putting a lot more focus in the Horde content.
wild pewter
cough cough Horde bias cough cough
slate ingot
where I am at currently
the two missing are relevant to the dead bodies the horde is looking for
one being zeiling from the earlier posts dont know the other one
wild pewter
Ahh, and so far you've been raising Kul Tirans as forsaken?
slate ingot
yeah
basic TLDR is establish footholds, blow up bridgeport entire guard bring back captain dead body dont know other two looking for derek/securing dereks body and then securing the very important tide artifact
terse patrol
At this point, I want the Lightforged to forcibly start Lightforging Hordies.
“You’re Alliance now.”
dim flower
I believe in the Horde
At least for this expansion
They need to get some form of an upperhand somewhere.
slate ingot
I mean the alliance is effectively getting stomped
from what ive been seeing all war campaign
havent seen alliance yet because its NYI or bugged
dim flower
I wish the mole machine worked ;-;
wild pewter
From the Zuldazar foothold Alliance one ups the Nightborne getting an artifact, idk what it does
slate ingot
what is the artifact
wild pewter
Breath of Xibala maybe?
slate ingot
I'll probably be able to test more of the horde war campaign later when they fix the tracking or if I knew where to go for the drustvar portion
It'd nice to see if finishing the campaign unlocks or does anything
terse patrol
If Blizzard doesn’t have a Dark Iron character based off this guy for Nazjatar, I’ll be disappointed.
wild pewter
I fucking love Vinny, I hope there's someone based off of him.
So you think they're going to raise Derek?
slate ingot
Honestly ues
Yes
They raised the marshal Valentine and killed him off right away, but Derek may probably be raised and used for a raid or jainas antagonist
Where jaina may have to kill her own brother
wild pewter
Marshal Valentine? So they raised him and then killed him after?
slate ingot
Yes marshal Valentine gets captured by a kul tiran general
And killed
But Nathanos just effectively writes him off as useless anyway
Derek if done properly could be super interesting and a really good antagonist for jaina
wild pewter
Which zone is Valentine in?
slate ingot
Great sea, but dies in tiragarde
On the quest chain to get the tide artifact from storm song monastery
Basically you get Marshall and Derek from the really annoying diving quest Marshall is raised right away and dies in tiragarde
frigid umbra
whhaaaatttt... chinglish already has some beta keys to give away from what i heard... is this real?!?!?
slate ingot
As I don't think I was suppose to even be on the follow quest yet for grab and go
frigid umbra
so the beta key giveaway fight has started... good luck to alllll... but really i just want me to get it 😄 who cares about the rest... :))
wild pewter
I'm hoping the Alliance can dish out some pretty hard hits too then.
slate ingot
I mean from looking at the achievement for alliance they do go to zuldazalar or the horde capital for something
Dont know what
Just speculation
But the thing in the alliance achievement is akin to the hordes
ruby star
I don't see nothing about key give away from chinglish
slate ingot
It's strike on ____
Mind you the horde doesn't enter boralus the actual pvp part just stormsong monastery
frigid umbra
No idea how... i just heard that he might have some
terse patrol
I just hope the Alliance raises hell in Zandalar.
karmic copper
THey keep updatin boralus
frigid umbra
Why?
hollow dock
probably because it isn't finished?
frigid umbra
No i was asking why raise hell in zandalar
terse patrol
Well at least the Alliance will have the better RP area. <_<
sharp bluff
KT does look great
frigid umbra
Kelthuzad?😂
Lol since when is kultiras kt? Is this new or am i to old for this shit?😂
sharp bluff
better then mispelling kulterrais
you know what I am talking about 😉 so it must work
wild pewter
It's so bizarre how willing Lillian is to raise other people into Undeath...
slate ingot
does anyone know if quarter masters were removed temporarily or if the honorbound has one
hollow dock
Honestly
dont take any dialogue we see
as concrete
until it hits live
For all we know, they're doing it on purpose
jade basalt
@wild pewter It's completely out of character. Same for Garona.
terse patrol
@Zepillion Thimes#2654 More like “accept the light or we’ll make you”
The Lightbound arent just killing people.
They’re demanding conversion.
slate ingot
take the broadcast text with a grain of salt
terse patrol
They’re presumably Lightforging those who refuse
slate ingot
it can change at any time until launch
sharp bluff
Honk that didn’t ping me lol, also i know, just joking about it
I hope they are lightforging by force though, it would give them a depth our MU Lightforged lack
meager warren
it would also mean they're not truly of the light.
if they were forced into it, chances are they're fighting the light. Like Demon hunters are fighting the fel/ shadow
dense plover
i mean
no
not at all
the light makes you think there is only one path
conversion via lightforging would hide any other path
it would make you believe only one fate is possible
meager warren
Fel also corrupts tho
sharp bluff
Yep
Vris gave the biggest example of light being bad a few months back
Spires in WoD
sharp bluff
Well you are a good source of information Vris
meager warren
remind me what vris said pls
sharp bluff
Vris said it better then me lol
Basically when we are in spire, the guys we are helping are void birds
the guys we are killing are light birds
zinc sandal
That doesn't make the Light bad, just the birds wielding it.
sharp bluff
basically those with the power (light) are casting down their brothers and sisters to the earth, taking away their ability to fly, and causing them to change into a wretched form for not agreeing with them
we then proceed to help the flightless ones (void)
zinc sandal
Those are cultural and political matters. We've seen that happen even when the Light or the Void had no part in it.
sharp bluff
Vris can explain it better then me, may I suggest asking Vris?
zinc sandal
Light and Void are not good or evil. They are energy. Light can be used for evil, Void can be used for good.
meager warren
@hollow dock
zinc sandal
You said Vris' example showed the Light was bad. Either poor wording, or simply incorrect.
zinc sandal
Good and evil don't come with nature, they arise from intent. That's what I think, personally.
meager warren
hollow dock
Yup basically.
If youve avoided it, do the full questline for Spires of Arak. It really captures what Blizz wants this to be.
zinc sandal
I've done it. I see what you mean, and I agree.
Except this is probably going to be a lot worse.
meager warren
Horde v Alliance is always worse
and this time
both shadow and light are on one side
dense plover
honestly the poblem seem to be having with lightforged is that they see yrel as this perfect character
even though she had 0 personality
and barely any story development
hollow dock
they see her as the perfect character because that's whats presented in WoD.
A character with no flaws, is good, is a female draenei, and can't be stopped. Now that she has depth, complexity and a change of heart (As it's directed towards the horde players rather than the Iron Horde/Legion) it's a bad thing.
uncut vault
It also makes sense, seeing as the orcs killed her sister and both of her mentors. And even then she's still nice enough to convert them instead of outright kill them all
dense plover
yep
and 30 years stuck on a plaanet wwhere the only real threat you had been facing for 10k+ years is no longer a threat?
hollow dock
with orcs that are still war-like.
dense plover
and that killed your people
they now represent the only real threat
and the gods you believe in are telling you that those thoughts are correct
hollow dock
It's kinda the only natural progression
but ya know.
People see their poster girl Draenei paladin being like the scarlet crusade and they all scream 'Character assassination'
meager warren
if we had actual choice in the game, i'd tell the gods to fuck off, the alliance superiors to fuck off, and the horde superiors to fuck off
and then run for my life
laughing the whole way
meager warren
no u
ruby star
Borulas looks very nice
strange falcon
"borulas"
ruby star
prefer it to stormwind
sharp bluff
man those statues look to bright, I hope they add some age to those
ruby star
@strange falcon shhh idc how it's spelt lol
strange falcon
it's Boralus
strange falcon
just enforcing some #grammarnazi here,no hard feelings
meager warren
and spell it right
ruby star
Borulas.
strange falcon
Burolsa
ruby star
burritos
tranquil steeple
baguette
zinc sandal
BOLOGNI
meager warren
BAGEL
zinc sandal
Barbados
tranquil steeple
i think this is going too far off-topic
zinc sandal
It always does.
tranquil steeple
fair point
strange falcon
you cannot prevent it
meager warren
Broken Shore?
zinc sandal
Baboon
uncut vault
Bor'alus
tranquil steeple
chat going off-topic
meager warren
anyway, how about that crazy cat lady
zinc sandal
Yo mama?
tranquil steeple
git oota here garryboi
meager warren
not sure if Lightforged Garrosh or Void Hunter Garrosh
slate ingot
Looks pretty lightforged
karmic copper
What the fuck... Blizzard writing.
meager warren
Paladin Hunter Illidan when
zinc sandal
Pretty sure you're being trolled, @karmic copper
slate ingot
It's not its his actual model lol
meager warren
karmic copper
Good
zinc sandal
@slate ingot Source?
karmic copper
But i remember something from the datamined maghar questline about lightforged orcs or something
Blizzard writing
jade basalt
@meager warren Do you know the artist ?
hollow dock
the one that Mana made? yes that's a model. An actual model.
But as they stated, it's not their real model.
dense plover
im just worried it will spread as fact
hollow dock
Oh it'll do so no matter what
like that there are Lightforged orcs. (Even though its Lightbound and they are a faction)
true matrix
that garrosh is too damn cursed
sharp bluff
Bound by the light (chains)!
hollow dock
I personally still think this is all just them purposefully misleading us
true matrix
at this point I don't think I have enough faith to believe this is all just some big red herring to mess with dataminers
as much as I'd really, really love to believe it
dense plover
i mean
if this is what happens, I wont be upset
and the people who are clearly cant tell the difference between good and bad writing
true matrix
I mean I'm sure there are a lot better ways to balance out the light/void conflict than to have a race of people who were subject to torture and genocide turn around and decide to commit genocide themselves
dense plover
well
they werent AS subject to genocide as the traditional draenei
none of the awful genocidal stuff that happened on OG draenor ever happened
mostly
there were attacks
but nothing equivalent to the horrors of OG draenor
true matrix
it's still pretty damn bad
dense plover
i think a narrated intro cutscene would make it a lot better
true matrix
over time I'm becoming more convinced we should've had outland mag'har instead and just let WoD die like it should have
everything surrounding the draenor mag'har is just... so convoluted
dense plover
ya know, like a "over the past 30 years, here is what happened in draenor"
rich apex
'lok'tar Outland mag'har, what have you been up to for the last 8 years?'
true matrix
http://mad-maddie.tumblr.com/post/173729516747 this kind of sums up my feelings on the whole thing
rich apex
'eh not much'
'wanna kill some humans?'
'sure I guess'
Quality quest design right there
uncut vault
I mean, if you want to spin it to a weird, incorrect view of the situation, I guess that applies
Yrel being celebrated is kinda a minority though lol
rich apex
Gotta love how everyone suddenly likes Yrel's original character arc
true matrix
?? I know plenty of people who liked her character arc
rich apex
Well, news to me 😛
uncut vault
People HATED yrel in WoD, especially the ending
Because she didn't fight back at literally anything, and the one time she did it didn't matter and killed off a good character for no reason
rich apex
'why is yrel just making nice with grom'
uncut vault
Now she's actually fighting back at the people that killed her family
rich apex
Cycle of hatred baby
uncut vault
Blizz can't really please everyone. Make her a generic young girl velen, people hate it, make her a unique vengeful, forceful Draenei, people hate it
Im happy they're going the route of making her actually interesting
true matrix
honestly I just wish they'd let WoD lie
hollow dock
'arc'
her 'arc'
was her showing up
being mopey
and then exarch
that's not really an arc
rich apex
Who would have thought they wouldn't just retcon WoD entirely
true matrix
they gouged a lot out of her plotline along with most everything else in the entire xpac when they had to cut content to make the release date
ended up like most things in WoD: had potential and little aside
dense plover
i dont think they ever had plotline for her
you cant say its gouged when we have no evidence that there was going to be more
hollow dock
^
uncut vault
Yeah but just because they WANTED to give her an interesting story and character progression doesn't mean they did
dense plover
we dont even really know if they wanted to
we know pretty much nothing outside of some story boards
they scrapped so much
hollow dock
yea and they storyboard -a lot- of shit
dense plover
it wouldve been better to work on it for another 6 months instead of releasing it as it was
true matrix
alas
uncut vault
Remember when they have the amazing idea of "oh uh maraad needs a wife"
hollow dock
I kinda liked the idea that yrel is AU maraad's wife
dense plover
^
hollow dock
made sense why he sacrificed himself for her
uncut vault
I hated that, but at least it would have been something with them
hollow dock
It even puts some weight behind his line
dense plover
yep
uncut vault
I can never accept them wanting to give him a wife because he was a gay icon in bloodmyst
dense plover
he was?
hollow dock
Yea this is news to me
true matrix
oh man port I want to hear about this
west relic
Sorry to butt in here. Totally off-topic as well.
floral dune
whuh?
dense plover
it is?
west relic
When you click my avatar and bring up my Discord profile, what does it say?
west relic
Yes, yes I am.
hollow dock
Playnig a game on xbox live
floral dune
west relic
Testing some new stuff out for Discord that's not publicly available and it doesn't seem to show up on my side.
All I see is this
dense plover
huh
west relic
dense plover
well it works on our side
ssince you are here
whats your opinion on the lightbound draenor stuff?
good, bad, undecided?
west relic
I like to keep my opinions indifferent.
dense plover
but
if you had to pick
your opinion isnt more important than ours
i just want to know
west relic
I like it. I think it's good.
dense plover
cool
hollow dock
Here's I think more neutral question: Think blizz is just putting in dialogue they think is funny?
west relic
dense plover
nah, why bother?
its a waste of resources
valuable resources'
they only have 6 monthss to finish most of the expac
hollow dock
they can have the real dialogue on standby and just slot in whatever they think is funny.
hollow dock
would make some sense of them having really out of character dialogues like
garona
and Lillian
dense plover
the lillian stuff doesnt seem too out of character
it just seems a bit out of left field
it just needs an explanation from the character
hollow dock
last we saw of her, she was very anti-undead but now she's happy to make more.
hollow dock
hence why it seems pretty out of character, since her character wasn't about it.
dense plover
explanation from the character would be good
uncut vault
I mean if brennadam shows anything, even now story can still change
hollow dock
If they make a proper explination sure I'll buy it
dense plover
thats all they need to do
hollow dock
just a thought on if maybe its just purposefully misleading to save the actual story
hollow dock
that she's excited to kill another king?
dense plover
eh
uncut vault
"Lol I'm gonna kill my friends grandson cause I killed him under magical influence"
dense plover
that just seemed weird
probably unfinished (i hope)
but the part about joining your people vs your enemies?
it makes sense
hollow dock
yea that bit makes sense
dense plover
not like lillian would be accepted by the alliance either
hollow dock
just the joy they put in the dialogue doesn't seem right
everyones to murder happy considering their backstories
dense plover
yeah it just needs a bit of work
hollow dock
and it just seems to betray that
sour burrow
Any news on the Wowhead Loader addon being fixed?
rich apex
It's almost like Garona, former spy and assassin of Guldan, is going to give Nathanos the answer he'd want to hear
rich apex
I can't dig through wowhead right now to find the post I'm thinking of
rich apex
Welp, the PC is Sylvie's other champion
hollow dock
which is why I think, maybe most of the dialogue is that.
Fake. Made up. the real stuff will get placed in at launch
rich apex
No smart spy is going to express sympathy for the enemy
Especially one who's worked with humans more than most
But I can't imagine the overall plot of any quest will change dramatically at this point
hollow dock
if you wanna excuse out of character stuff sure I guess?
uncut vault
I hope they do a double cross thing, I want the uncrowned to still exist. But I doubt it, they'll probably just rewrite her dialogue
rich apex
I mean apparently anyone doing anything remotely new and interesting is apparently out of character
rich apex
Times change.jpg
karmic copper
Times (Sometimes) Change
tulip sun
I don't see a problem with Yrel and AU Draenei
mint arch
blizzard just want all that GREY in their stories now
hope the AU draenor stuff ends with Yrel no longer exarch
she was not rdy for that in any way or form
sharp bluff
well it has been 30 years
mint arch
also its an allied race storyline
uncut vault
Keep in mind it’s also intentionally biased
Because it’s from the orcs perspective
Grommash‘s specifically
rich apex
^
Like they're totally going full villainy
But
Question is what exactly happened to start it
rich apex
Not yet