does BfA have professions CDs that make having multiple characters with the same profession worth while?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
frail yew
misty blaze
its still in alpha though beta didnt start yet
terse patrol
@Murderous Madness#9235 nah, I mean like wiping out a village of goblins and orcs
“you wanna settle ashenvale? over YOUR dead bodies”
meager warren
i'm sure the alliance have already done something like that
dull iron
go ku how do i get in alpha then or invite?
meager warren
it's sent randomly
wild pewter
Have to wonder where Malfurion and Tyrande are in the alpha
tulip sun
We know Tyrande is in stormwind during the teldrassil attack
pale geyser
jaina went crazy when she got dat good Thrall D. 
uncut vault
I mean, Im glad theyre not involved in the current story, theyve got nothing to do with kul tiras and zandalar
I hope tyrande appears in the azshara raid but other than that
I dont expect to see them till barrens warfront
tulip sun
I fully would expect Tyrande and Thalyssra to take center stage during the Azshara patch
I doubt blizz will give thalyssra that though
uncut vault
I mean they have her VA in the studio for BfA already
tulip sun
Ya, she is in the stormwind extraction amd talks in zandalar briefly
How do you know anyway? xD
meager warren
Port has alpha
tulip sun
Alpha doesnt have to do with knowing where the VA is for a character that i know
uncut vault
no I mean, theyre literally already recording lines for her with the stormwind extraction
and she does record at Blizzard like most of their VAs
split valley
@Magus#0001 as of build 26476 I couldn't find any recipes from the profession trainers in Tradewinds Market that had a cool down on them
Bear in mind tho - professions are separated out by expansion now. So previous expansion level recipes stilll have CD but so far I have yet to find a BfA recipe that has a cooldown.
Also this may change in a later build so keep on an eye out for profession updates on wowhead and/or mmo champion
steady tulip
I think i just spoiled BFA for myself...
i will just leave this here
I have been researching on a possibility and i need someone to confirm my findings.
Could we see the return of C'Thun the factors i came to this conclusion is one the sword of Sargeras is planted firmly inside silithus. Where C'Thun is caged surly the impact of Sargeras sword might have weaken his prison.
Secondly because C'Thun is the old god of madness would he be able to mess with the azerite or even use it to bring him to full strength. Then who is to say he will mess with jaina proudmoore, anduin rin and silvanus making the old gods possibly the end raid of battle for azeroth. Due to the titans are currently locked away in there own prison so they will not be able to stop the old gods.
As for our duty its to stop the old gods from uniting with each other putting azeroth once again to the end.
Did i just spoil the possibility of this expansion ending?
BFA is going to be the follow up to the Old god XP 😄
lyric pebble
but c'thun is confirmed dead and not in silithus anymore, cho'gall tried to resurrect him somewhere else
steady tulip
I only ever heard one instance of a old god being truly dead.
lyric pebble
i know that y'shaarj is the only one confirmed, killed by the titans
steady tulip
It also seems very odd that all the places for sargaras to put his sword would be the very place where an old god was imprisoned deep underground.
With the titans currently dealing with sargaras where they are all imprisoned together and the titans being the only ones able to deal with the old gods.
lyric pebble
but if cho'gall tried to resurrect c'thun, it means that it should be dead o.o
steady tulip
Define resurrection in wow 😄
near cosmos
resurrecting an avatar / a manifestation doesn't mean the entire entity was dead
steady tulip
So i can see c'thun being the end raid for BFA but the following xp will most likly be Return of the old gods.
near cosmos
also would it not be hilarious if they pulled an Illidan with Saggy Ass and had it be like "no u fools i stabbed where cthun was jailed i avoided all major internal organs for azeroth gaiz"
steady tulip
Oh that would be hilarious but on a serious note this feels way to conincidental...
also blizzard do love there old gods.
sullen dagger
well, we all love tentacles
steady tulip
To be honest though surly i cant be the only one seeing this connection?
also that lv 60 raid is in need of an overhaul and update 😄
near cosmos
tbh I think the reason why they made it happen in silithus is
a) no-one gives a fuck about Silithus
b) It's pretty far away from major civs so they don't have to explain how the corruption isnt fucking up all the cities
c) they want to give themselves the option of actually meaning it did weaken c'thun's prison
steady tulip
I wanna go with c 😄
near cosmos
that was an all of the above type thing xD
steady tulip
I do give a fuck about silithus 😦 it brings back good memory's i was there when they opened the gates damn it.
As for the citys they was already fucked up to begin with 😄
near cosmos
oh look at this old git, i bet you yell at all these elves to get off your orange dust-lawn
steady tulip
I now play a nightborne elf...
steady tulip
😄
near cosmos
but were you hardcore enough to raid as a ret pally in 2.x
steady tulip
WTF is wrong with you... paladins was only used to heal...
they could not tank for shit and there dps was horrible.
near cosmos
real men played ret before it was cool
steady tulip
replace real with insane. 😄
near cosmos
I still have the s1 or s2 pvp 2h sword on my old paladin which I then used to raid
steady tulip
My first character i ever made as a gnome mage 😃
split valley
lol tesco
near cosmos
Im not posh enough to fite people behind waitrose
split valley
i'm not british
altough people keep telling me i sound it
mostly yanks
the back of my pak n save is where the employees go to smoke so fighting there would be a bit ackward
split valley
lol
steady tulip
@dense surgearensis just read up on that part apparently he was resurrecting the body of him basically his physical manifestation rather then him as an entity.
So technically yes C'Thun is still imprisoned deep under the sands hell he was watching his shows then all of a sudden a giant sword smashing in his ceiling wouldn't that piss you off if someone did that to your house?
I will be very surprised if C'Thun is not mentioned in BFA also does anyone know who corrupted sargeraus i cant remember who but if it was due to C'Thun then the placing of the sword was all planned ahead of time.
basicly blizzard laying out all the clues way ahead of time.
uneven tangle
If I remember correctly, Sargeras went Mad in his search to find a way to stop the Void Lords. So he took control of the Burning Legion which in turn corrupted him on top of his madness.
steady tulip
not sure if it was one of the old gods also whispered to him?
uneven tangle
Don’t think so, i just finished reading the vol 1 Chronicle. The Old gods were a creation of the void. Hence the void lords
steady tulip
ah i see
also in this XP there has been alot of information opened up with the void lords.
void elfs might play an important role in this XP maybe?
mint arch
victory > honor
such a dumb ideal, ppl using it as if it excuses sylvanas's evil -_-
but even then, sylvanas isnt even winning xD
sudden oak
yeah because caring more about victory than honor in a war that will decide the fate of your people is absolutely stupid?
and its not like either side is winning
fossil rover
do we know what saurfang saw? was it just the plague?
sudden oak
I must say the tauren skeletons do look cool
candid yacht
could be better
river dirge
Those skeletons are all naked uwu
candid yacht
sudden oak
also I hope they change sylvanas throwing blight on her own troops she is too clever to do something so dumb
steady tulip
Who said's its a dumb idea
sage tapir
she hasn't done anything clever since she became warchief
steady tulip
Well other then having dat ass 😛
is it me or with every major patch the rendering on female assis get better and better
sage tapir
her ass is the only reason why she's not dead yet
steady tulip
so basicly arthus is mercy and she is basicly genji
after all mercy gave genji a killer ass 😄
mint arch
@sudden oak sure, caring about victory is fine, but im saying, ppl using victory > honor to justify sylvanas's actions is ridiculous
is the horde now a faction that will kill and destroy everything just to win? like wtf is that?
the horde had some meaning before, there were ideals that united the races
sage tapir
Sylvanas is downright evil
mint arch
yup, she is
sage tapir
there's no justifying her bullshit
mint arch
indeed
but ppl like to bring up "victory > honor"
as if it excuses sylvanas and that she's "doing it for the horde"
heavy cairn
'
mint arch
and that saurfang is an idiot for caring about what it means to be horde
river dirge
"Justifying victory" = "Blighting your main foothold and capital"
sage tapir
it's not even a matter of honor
what she keeps doing is way beyond dishonorable
blighting your own troops and raising them as skeletons
might as well make Bolvar warchief
mint arch
sylvanas is the lich queen already
can make it work with bolvar
we know he's up to some shit
sharp bluff
mmm those skeletons, I wonder if we still have a chance at getting necromancer class/spec for DK
sage tapir
even the specs we have now are getting ruined so I wouldn't get my hopes up rofl
sharp bluff
I miss gladiator stance from WoD
mint arch
oh wait, DH
sharp bluff
yes monks
mint arch
hmm, das true
id have thought blizzard would at least give us a new class
like allied races are cool and all.. but its just cosmetics
i really want a tinkerer/mechanic/engineer type class
we have goblins and gnomes for the lore part of that
dense plover
we wont see a new class soon
maybe next expac
they usually switch between races and classes each expac
terse patrol
I’m still calling her being WoW Kerrigan, and she’ll end up redeemed.
sage tapir
going to need one hell of a redemption
river dirge
sylvanas next bolvar lololol
sharp bluff
well of course, who says otherwise? 🤜 😢
uncut vault
Ho boy, I slept through a huge anti Sylvanas circle jerk
Hope y’all had fun bouncing the same opinion off of each other
sharp bluff
lol
midnight holly
sargeras was wow's best villain
mint arch
sylvanas will proceed to kill children execution style = mis-understood actions only
midnight holly
😩
mint arch
xD
karmic copper
then he died
midnight holly
@karmic copper :asmonL:
sharp bluff
Arthas is dead and he popped up in legion, even after death he lives
midnight holly
no after death he's dead
sharp bluff
no he is in my sword
midnight holly
oh
mint arch
arthas'll be back, just like illidan
midnight holly
skull of the manari better
mint arch
and then REDEMPTION
midnight holly
arthas wont be back and i dont think illidan will be either
mint arch
for the bolvar expansion, arthas will be back
karmic copper
illidan is torturing sargeras forever
mint arch
and then the void gods expansion, illidan will be back with sarg-kun
illidan is doing fck all with sargeras xD
mint arch
i like to image illidan is trying to touch sargeras
and sargeras is just ignoring him cause the power difference
midnight holly
i like to imagine that illidan's character arc is over and that they wont bring him back for a fourth time
mint arch
sadly, this is blizzard
midnight holly
and that imprisoning wow's big bad aka sargeras will actually mean something
mint arch
and illidan will 100% be back
midnight holly
nah
brave cypress
Illidan will see Sargeras just wanted to get a greater good with destruction (ours) as consequence and they're not that different, they'll come back as besties and will fight the voidlords
but we need bfa first, then wotlk 2.0, then illidan homecoming
midnight holly
nah illidan's whole thing is the legion's end
he wont team up with sargeras
pretty sure he doesnt give two shits about much of anything anymore
also aman'thul did tell sargeras that azeroth's worldsoul be strong enough to combat the voidlords one day so
dense plover
CODE RED
NEW BETA BUILD
THIS IS NOT A DRILL
@uncut vault are you available to check the build and see if you can download it?
karmic copper
New Alpha build?
dense plover
yes
karmic copper
Whats in it?
karmic copper
im guessing just some updates to the zones
uncut vault
nothing coming up for me
dense plover
hmmm, must not have gone out to the clients yet
dense plover
apparently this is a very small build
meager warren
terse patrol
@dense plover I think the Xorotian Cultist countdown ends tomorrow
So maybe we’ll get new Live content
vocal sparrow
75ish MB patch just dropped on the alpha
heavy cairn
xorothian cultist countdown is due to integer overflow in all likelihood https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8a96xk/xorothian_cultists_what_the_channeling_actually/
probably doesn't mean anything
terse patrol
We’ll see. It’s been fairly accurate in predicting new content dumps tho
heavy cairn
just like many of the patches were 77 days apart--that was accidental
vocal sparrow
and realms appear to be down
meager warren
i want to know if sneks will be playable 🤔
terse patrol
They likely wont reveal that til end of the expansion
meager warren
terse patrol
They want to have stuff to get you to preorder the next expansion after all
heavy cairn
^^ yea I am guessing that's where the vulpera and sethrak will be if ever
meager warren
when
heavy cairn
9.0 expansion preorder
terse patrol
We MIGHT get High Elves but who knows
terse patrol
uh
I don’t think you understand Blizzard.
Tell me what the most played races are.
karmic copper
blood elf
meager warren
elves are the most played races
terse patrol
Elves make up the largest chunk of the playerbase.
strange falcon
with the blood elf racial being nerfed into the ground,i am SURE that a lot of players will switch off,especially the pvp crowd
same with humans
meager warren
doubt
terse patrol
Humans only make up HALF of the elves.
or less
WoW’s devs have already expressed interest in High Elves.
meager warren
i think people play elves because they're the pretty race, not because of their power
terse patrol
And they’ve made public note of the rampant high elf threads.
So
Tbh, at this point, I think Helves are only a matter of time.
A matter of when, and not if.
dense plover
blood elves are the most popular race because of their racial
strange falcon
they have noticed the high elf threads,and made void elves as a compromise,which didnt work,and now they're never coming out at least in the near future
karmic copper
im not gonna play them if they make them playable, theres a reason why im focusing on getting slayer of the sin'dorei
dense plover
that wont be the case in BfA
terse patrol
good for you
I’m just saying why Blizzard will more than likely do High Elves.
Especially if they’re a preorder bonus for the expansion after BFA.
karmic copper
i want ogres for horde then
terse patrol
If they really wanted, they could make them a full race, and put ogres on the Horde.
karmic copper
alliance can get their elf, we want ogres
terse patrol
Give each their own faction capital.
heavy cairn
"full races" haven't gotten faction capitals since TBC, lol.
heavy cairn
those aren't "full races"
karmic copper
theyll get boralus and zuldazar
vocal sparrow
For the record, I like void elves
heavy cairn
boralus and zuldazar aren't conventional capitals
there's only a small portion that actually functions like one
heavy cairn
it's not a full-race worthy capital, so an allied race getting boralus or zuldazar does not set a precedent for a full race
I don't see how you nullified my argument
vocal sparrow
I race changed my human warlock into a void elf the moment they came out (Also into a guy but that's more because my tastes have changed)
terse patrol
All they have to do is in some future expansion have an Ogre city, and a High Elf city.
Parts of them can be leveling areas.
vocal sparrow
All the Allied races are getting acess to a speical area that is their "Home town"
Most of them are recylced in some way
heavy cairn
exactly--zandalari and kultirans getting recycled homes that happen to be part of cities does not set a precedent for a unique capital
karmic copper
like lightforged get vindicaar, highmountain thunder totem and suramar for nightborne
vocal sparrow
Void Elves have their rift, which is used in their unlock quest
And Mag'har are going to have an area on Draneor
karmic copper
and gorgrond (from what we know) for maghar and anvilforge (iirc thats what its called) for dark irons
vocal sparrow
Right
meager warren
OSX, Boralus and Zuldazar are faction capitals
vocal sparrow
Zandalari and KT Humans are likely going to have acess to the BFA cities at 20 via a speical method
meager warren
i like the tinfoil hat theory
vocal sparrow
(Also gonna note about the LFD verison of the vindicar, it's not the version on argus, but a diffrent one used in their intro quests)
heavy cairn
they are faction capitals, but they function for the playable races who live there about the same as Suramar City does for the Nightborne (with the Nighthold being "safe" if you've done Insurrection) minus the fact that the safe area is like a shrine of two moons/shrine of seven stars
i.e., they aren't really a faction capital, more like a room in a capital
vocal sparrow
yes
mint arch
etna-chan :D
meager warren
they are a faction capital though.
"A room in a capital" implies there's still a capital.
And guess what?
It's a Faction capital
karmic copper
not a race capital
vocal sparrow
Also the horde city is an entire temple. The horde embessy is inside it but the outside is where all the vendors and trainers are
meager warren
race capital/ faction capital...
Same thing.
vocal sparrow
To be fair there's nothing useful in the allied race zones
Suramar has the most useful one, having portals to Dalaran and Orggrimar
Thundertotem has some vendors but it's literally the same ones everyone can get to
They're there entirely for flavor
meager warren
Orgrimmar is the Orc capital/ main Horde capital.
Silvermoon is the belf capital.
Undercity is the undead capital.
Thunder Bluff is the Tauren capital.
Darkspear Isle (Or whatever it's called) is the Darkspear capital. I consider the starter zone for the Darkspear trolls to be the capital even though there are enemy AIs there.
Various Goblin cities/ towns are the goblin capitals
Suramar, Thunder Totem, and Zuldazar are the Horde allied race capitals
uncut vault
I mean, proudmoore keep is completely closed
Maybe that'll be the Kul Tiran starting area
vocal sparrow
It'll probably just be the whole town. Nothing stops HM Tauren from going to the upper part of Thunder Totem
uncut vault
They are prevented from going outside the city though
Same with nightborne and the nighthold
They'll probably be limited to proudmoore keep and academy
vocal sparrow
The only reason they can't leave the city is to keep you from getting slaughtred by level 100 mobs
Stopping them from going into town is just silly
uncut vault
Yeah same applies to boralus
The keep has an area full of enemies right outside the steps
terse patrol
i’m sure you can leave when you hit the right level
uncut vault
Yeah, same as nighthold and thunder totem
dim flower
vocal sparrow
My point is they're gonna let em roam Boralus not just the keep
jovial coral
The blood elf racial isn't very good anymore is it
generating extra energy fury etc was always good I guess
sharp bluff
wait what
Secrets in the Sands - In the Vol'dun storyline, we try to stop General Jakra'zet, a member of the Zanchuli Council, from collecting the keys needed to free Mythrax, an imprisoned C'thrax sealed away in a pyramid. We are unsuccessful but befriend the Vulpera and Sethrak along the way.
but befriend the Vulpera and Sethrak along the way.
so Sethrak are a neutral race huh
uncut vault
Yeah they’re Alliance leaning neutral
meager warren
at least until they think of a reason to retcon them into being Horde/ Alliance only since they hate making neutral playable races.
tho that's if vulpera/ sethrak become playable
uncut vault
Vulpera and the good sethrak become allies for the sake of saving Voldun
stiff geyser
Servers are coming up O.O can select realms. No characters up yet though.
meager warren
that makes no sense tbh.
since sethrak are terrified of mongoose
and vulpera are like mongoose
uncut vault
Vulpera are already Horde exclusive allies, and alliance develop a friendship with and personally save the sethrak leader
Well vulpera are also midgets
sharp bluff
Well I mean it is part of the Horde leveling experience, so that means we meet them before the alliance, interesting
meager warren
yeah well
uncut vault
Timeline is iffy
meager warren
it'd be funny if they made sethrak afraid of vulpera
terse patrol
Sethrak superiority
meager warren
fear doesn't care
sharp bluff
that is the leveling campaign lol, I would think they happen at the same time, but then again
Blizzard
uncut vault
Because you can do Voldun as your last zone as horde at 117, but do Voldun on Alliance at 112
terse patrol
i mean tbh it’d be funny if it was the Vulpera bullying the religious Sethrak simply for being the same race as the Faithless.
meager warren
what race are the faithless?
uncut vault
Sethrak too
terse patrol
Sethrak
meager warren
o
terse patrol
The Faithless are the bad Sethrak
terse patrol
but yeha
They’re clearly writing the Vulpera to be kinda agro and willing to kill.
And the Faithful Sethrak so far seem pretty chil
chill*
sharp bluff
I can see it now,
Goblins = Chaotic money
Gnomes = Chaotic pranksters
Vulpera = Chaotic Vengence
terse patrol
Tbh wouldn’t surprise me if the Sethrak allied race quest if it happens revolves around the Vulpera turning on the Faithful.
uncut vault
From what I got from the zone on both sides, Horde fully ally with vulpera, and through the vulpera have an uneasy alliance with the faithful, because vulpera still don’t fully trust them, faithful or not
meager warren
i want bliz to make the sethrak afraid of vulpera
uncut vault
Where alliance save the faithful leader, Vorrik, twice, and when we depart back to our alliance camp, he says he’s open to talk alliances when Voldun is saved and we return
terse patrol
“this is our land now submit or die Faithful nerds”
meager warren
"What are you afraid of?"
"Vulpera"
"Say again?"
"Vulpera"
"What? Am i hearing you right?"
terse patrol
I get the feeling that the Sethrak faithful will be ousted from Zandalar.
And will have to resettle somewhere else
Foxes are known to eat snakes so
It fits
uncut vault
I’m gonna fun the dungeon again today to make sure I saw all the stuff right
Cause from what I gathered, the faithful will follow sethraliss whenever she goes
And she’s a wild god
terse patrol
lol, Wailing Caverns becomes the Sethrak hub.
uncut vault
So I could see the night elves being friends with the sethrak
sharp bluff
underwater snek
uncut vault
Their lightning stuff is a lot more like old style druid wrath than a shamans so who knows
sharp bluff
can't forget ground snek either Murder
meager warren
ofc not
terse patrol
I’m sure the Sethrak want to live in a jungle again.
meager warren
but wouldn't that be big and smol snek
terse patrol
Could settle them in the new ALLIANCE lands of Stranglethorn.
in fact
Give them the old troll cities
meager warren
they're gonna have fun running all the raptors out of the place
terse patrol
we killed most of the trolls in them already
meager warren
Zul'gurub 2.0 when
vocal sparrow
bleh. Alpha charcters were wiped
meager warren
ono
lavish pawn
So. Beta now?
uncut vault
soon, yeah
uncut vault
this happened just before legion beta too, so probably within the week
split valley
Can't seem to get into the Alpha forums - that's a strong indication they're taking em down to put up Beta forums
stiff geyser
Beta is up as of today
uncut vault
yeah alpha forums are down
heres hoping its just for renaming
and not wiping the posts
meager warren
that would suck
terse patrol
New High Elf Threads Incoming
uncut vault
oh ouch, all my mounts are gone
noooo appearances too
heres hoping they have character copy for build 1
meager warren
if they're your mounts in alpha, i think that's a given
uncut vault
there was a weird bug where if you created an exact copy of your live character, you got all their xmog and mounts too
meager warren
nice
uncut vault
sadly fixed now
misty blaze
i hope i get invite to beta
meager warren
it should.
It wouldn't be right if it weren't
uncut vault
its cool that Zandalar has a two separate little scenarios after finishing zones
wish kul tiras had some
shame theyre keeping the "story is finished in dungeons" style in Kul Tiras only
runic verge
not my screenshot
stiff geyser
Blizzard: We have now moved into Beta testing. Characters have been wiped, official communications will go our shortly once we've confirmed everything is stable. In the meantime, welcome to Beta! Expect a lot more people to join you soon. Character copy will be turned on in the coming weeks. No additional character wipes are planned for the duration of Beta.
tropic trail
BETA POGGERS
sudden oak
yeah the Loas helping in the scenarion is so hype
uncut vault
Theres one that you get once you finish zandalar, with the blood gate, and then zandalar forever
tropic trail
open or closed beta? o.O
uncut vault
closed
tropic trail
ahhhh ok xD
wind dust
no beta for me 
tropic trail
i got chars wiped, guess i can take better screens for the guide i'm making xD
stiff geyser
Today, check your launcher relog it will show in your drop down if you got it
terse patrol
Well
I didnt get beta
dang
I’ve never gotten into an alpha or beta
do you have to have a sub to get picked? I buy game time.
tropic trail
well, atm "missing" the alpha wasn't an issue
stiff vector
no sub required this time around
ionic terrace
Hello my Shaggy Parrot.
stiff vector
hey bby
tropic trail
really, all we all had to do was complaining to blizz cuz 1234567890 quests bugged, and hmmm "main" npc missing for days
making ppl with alpha not able to play xD
tropic trail
atm (at least for locks) talents swapped again
uncut vault
god damnit, they wiped the posts
terse patrol
New H I G H E L F posts @uncut vault
uncut vault
thats a silver lining I guess lol
doesnt seem like anything new this build
Ill probably wait till character copy to level again
drowsy wolf
Is there an Alliance scenario
uncut vault
What do you mean?
dense plover
dont think theyve done a huge wave yet
drowsy wolf
There's the "Zandalar Forever" for Horde, but do Alliance have one?
wild pewter
Beta started 😮
uncut vault
afaik, no
dense plover
not for zandalar
uncut vault
none on the alpha atm
dense plover
and boralus one probably is the dungeon
considering their end is the dungeon
but there is also some datamined stuff indicating a scenarion
ionic terrace
Beta forums are up
winter vault
yay i got in! neat
wild pewter
Congrats!!
drowsy wolf
Apperantly, they wiped all the Alpha toons?
balmy basin
yes, they did
drowsy wolf
Why?
tulip sun
Ugh
I was hoping for some new stuff
You telling me they completed nothing new to add sincr froday? :(
tropic trail
wiped so we can start beta...in the hope they finally fix all those broke things xD
stiff vector
wipe when going from alpha to beta is normal, and most characters that were made before a few builds ago couldnt complete the heart of azeroth quest because they already had the item
tropic trail
wish blizz coul give to all a mount for walk on water...i got lucky on my alpha toon....now will be bit "hard" :/
tulip sun
Ugh
Guys
I feel fantastic
I am going to rub it in that even Rastakhan allows the dead to be raised to defend his home
Danath even does it. Sylvanas though, raises a few mindless skeletons to defend Undercity snd hell breaks loose xD
And they are still trying to act as if sylvanss is the only one bad in this situation
wild pewter
When does Danath raise the dead? 😮
wild pewter
Warcronts are my favourite Bottle Far Ezarith feature
Could you show me btw? I haven't seen him raising the dead 😮 and aren't using spirits of the past a bit different than raising the bodies of your own soldiers you just killed?
sharp bluff
calling spirits from the afterlife 🆚 using the corpse they are no longer in
tulip sun
How is raising merely skeletons woth no souls any worse then having the soyls awaken tof ight?
They are saying sylvanas is still evil becsuse of it....but just using spirits is ok
Which i find to be weird. Sylvanas is a banshee. Which is a spirit.
So was arthas raising sylvanas ok?
drowsy wolf
well, they were going to die anyways
tulip sun
You guys act as if she plagues her whole army. It is a few troops too severely woubded to escape
drowsy wolf
Hey @tulip sun first arguement to anyone who says Sylvanas didn't do the right thing is "What would've done?"
tulip sun
No one ever said that
sage tapir
it's implied
tulip sun
Adam, this happens daily on all three of my discords. Same argument
I just cant type out my same long explanations because am on mobile rn
drowsy wolf
Sylvanas didn't do the "Right thing". She did the best thing she was able. Anyone who thinks it's wrong, would be right, kind of, but it doesn't matter, because that's what she needed to do to survive.
drowsy wolf
Same thing like the Broken Shore. She didn't let the Horde die so some people can live.
tulip sun
You*
drowsy wolf
I'm stretching for this point, but if anything, Anduin was in the wrong with his Mass Rez. Not even their spirits could rest, just reserected to fight again. They were allowed to live though.
The whole battle is a gray area when morality is involved.
meager warren
xd
drowsy wolf
Oh, please. At my height, that stretch would've ripped me in half
plucky lion
Oh hey, servers are back up.
oak wraith
tulip sun
Still sad no new stuff
strange falcon
you could get to 120 2 weeks ago
rich apex
Blizz hasn't said anything of character copy to beta beyond Soon (TM), right?
rich apex
Wowhead will post soon enough if there is
terse patrol
It's why I kinda have a gut feeling that Blizz is focusing on releasing a patch tomorrow or thursday for Live.
Would make sense to bring it out near the Beta launch.
strange falcon
if there was a patch for live,it would be today or tomorrow,or else it wouldnt line up with the server reset
terse patrol
@strange falcon Xorothian cultists end their countdown tomorrow so @strange falcon
Take that as you will
strange falcon
why did you ping me twice
@pallid crescent yes,there is no more ignore pain on beta,but there is no replacement either,so i'd suggest not playing a prot warrior right now
pallid crescent
but that's the best part!
it reminds me of wotlk days
gosh I miss those strong blocks
strange falcon
if you want to see some block,look at warlocks in the alpha
Cube-Lock is going to be king indeed
if you dont get what i mean,look at some very recent footage,like preach's review of horde dungeons from this week
true matrix
incredible
rich apex
KTs and Zandas were confirmed for postlaunch
uncut vault
I see no new ones
vapid delta
uncut vault
not new
I think they just finally added the barber shop hairstyles to the character create
vapid delta
oh really ?
uncut vault
lmao, people are getting world/realm firsts on alpha
tropic trail
other races have their barber options added?
tranquil steeple
I WANT THOSE GOLDEN EYES
GRR
tropic trail
just a few more months and you'll get them
tranquil steeple
:c
uncut vault
only about two and a half months till the prepatch, not that long to wait
tranquil steeple
[Insert childish voice] But I want them noooooooow mommy
(And now for real: yea I know, but it's always annoying to wait for something you want to get)
meager warren
Not really
tropic trail
I'm just wondering why blood elves got so many tweaks tbh, upright orcs was super hyped, but golden eyes came out of no where (and duck face fix)
golden eyes coming out of nowhere was bad wording, Liadrin was supposed to have them, but giving it to the player was a surprise.
meager warren
Maybe because it's been way too long for them not to have recieved an update?
/shrug
true matrix
it's not really much of a surprise at all tbh
meager warren
^
tranquil steeple
I'm not gonna complain to random additions to playable races.
true matrix
the only surprise is it took them this long to add golden eyes for blood elves considering the sunwell was purified all the way back in BC
meager warren
^
tropic trail
lorewise sure, but no other race is getting tweaks like this, so in that sense, it is a little surprising.
not complaining about them getting the tweaks
tranquil steeple
I can kinda see why since stuff like that doesn't happen overnight, but to not do it until BfA Alpha.. that's what surprised me
narrow rose
hey is there a portal to zulduzar in org ?
tropic trail
Worgen and goblins still haven't gotten updates
meager warren
It's not surprising at all. Goblins and worgen are getting updates. Orcs get a minor update, and belfs are getting an update. All the rest are likely to follow
tranquil steeple
Didn't Blizz say only Female Worgen were getting updated, or atleast that the main focus was on them?
I didn't really follow up on those news
tropic trail
I don't recall them ever saying only females were getting updated, but they are the one that's complained about the most
uncut vault
only females are getting a major overhaul
male worgen, and both goblins are just getting upgrades
meager warren
Both worgen sexes suck
tranquil steeple
So Worgen Females get the plastic surgery, while the male worgen and both goblin genders are getting minor touch-up
terse patrol
Looking forwards to the female worgen overhaul.
meager warren
The male has a permanent snarl and the female looks like a human with a mask
terse patrol
I want male worgen to look as good as Papa Genn
tropic trail
if only
meager warren
Same
true matrix
I think the male worgen look pretty good for the most part, they'll be fine once they get the visual upgrade imo. same with the goblins
the female worgen... eeeuuughh 😬
terse patrol
yeah, I want them to desexualize the female worgen. They have freakin eyelashes and makeup.
like
why
They're supposed to be scary werewolves.
uncut vault
the changes will likely be to the face for the most part
Maaaaybe bulk up the torso a bit but the eyes, snarl and weird hair will likely be the main ones
tropic trail
get rid of their potbelly as well hopefully
terse patrol
i just
wish kul tiran females werent so pudgy looking.
They don't really even match the males. Males are overweight, ye, but they're muscular and bulky.
I want some muscular, bulky ladies.
their bodies don't look right.
uncut vault
I think at most, they need to tuck in the belly a bit, maybe give them more arm definition
but overall I think kul tiran women look fine, especially in armor
they have a distinct face from normal humans
terse patrol
Some leg definition too
idk
I just want them to look as dangerous as the males
cause right now they look like stay at home moms @uncut vault
tidal lynx
What are everyone’s thoughts on the MagHar Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarfs? They look cool
uncut vault
good additions, happy to have a more diverse cast of playable races
drowsy wolf
Hey, how do I view the Warfront Armour in the WoWHead model Viewer, or is that not possible?
uncut vault
the items arent in the game yet afaik
Im eagerly waiting for them, since WoWheads only showing one version of each set, I cant wait to see the others
tropic trail
Anyone know if artifact appearences are class,spec, or useable locked?
true matrix
spec locked I think
tropic trail
Makes sense.
drowsy wolf
Orewing is correct
uncut vault
they added in the spec lock last build
forcibly changes off your transmog when you change specs
uncut vault
Which was last build
drowsy wolf
Oh.
silver mulch
anyone encountered this bug?
during the battle for lordaeron, after sylv let out the Blight, there was a cutscene after completing that part, and this cinematic playeD?
it looks like from DS
silver mulch
oh, didnt know
got it again, was about to report it as a bug
good to know
yeah also got a different weird thing
during a cinematic, it suddenly stopped, i got my ui back but the scene was still going on? so that i could see my minimap etc, but the cam was kinda following what would happen in a usual cutscene
oh, i see
placeholders
rich apex
Welcome to beta
silver mulch
yeah, first time
raven carbon
@everyone anyone know how/when they send out mass invites for beta?
raven carbon
ah okay
so could someone be chosen randomly at any time of day to be able to download beta?
elder otter
For all we know, yea, lol
true matrix
for all we know they're tossing darts at a really, really big corkboard
meager warren
elder otter
I've blacklisted you AlexxCri 
meager warren
what's dat
elder otter
My poor attempt at a joke.
meager warren
oic
frigid umbra
Lol
tropic trail
blacklist means banning them from something, in this case beta giveaways.
frigid umbra
i feel like im on every blacklist known to man... never win anything and i enter so many giveaways. damn luck.
tropic trail
I win stuff that I'm only moderately interested in, like the eso summerset beta
never anything I'm actually excited about
frigid umbra
I wonder if the big beta activation wave has gone out already... or if it staggered or in a queue... meaning i might still see beta by tomorrow. 🤔
There were so many talking in this channel until today... its so quiet now... everyone got beta i guess 😂
tropic trail
nah, most people are asleep, I'm only here because i forgot about an essay
cinder knoll
those US guys 😄
tropic trail
one of you EU fellas wanna write my essay for me so I can sleep?
cinder knoll
no thanks 😄
tropic trail
😦
cinder knoll
learning time/task management is important thing, this will give you a lesson you shouldnt forget important things
and if you really just forgot, I'm sure you have smartphone with calendar, use it
saves lots of problems
frigid umbra
essay about what?
gilded drum
Can i be invited to beta even though I don’t have an active sub?
cinder knoll
I think you cant, but not sure
isnt there a condition written in Beta subscription window in your Battle net account settings?
some asterix or something like that
stiff vector
subs are no longer required unlike previous betas
you should be fine as long as you have the opt-in checked
tropic trail
I'd assume you just couldn't log into the beta if you didn't have an active sub.
stiff vector
it's a separate license so sub or not wouldn't really matter
frigid umbra
that's good.. cuz my sub just elapsed
and dont really have anything to do in legion until prepatch
well maybe grind that argussian reach and army of the light rep... i hate those
only 75 rep per blue world quest.. wth
was 250 for other world quest reps
frigid umbra
do we get an email as well with the beta inv? or its just an account activation and only see it in the launcher?
frigid umbra
i see
shy oriole
So.. Is wowhead going to receive any keys to giveaway?
tight wagon
@frigid umbra If you want army and argussian rep do the argus weeklies, there are 2 each week and both give 1k rep to army and argussian
strange falcon
@shy oriole you cant giveaway beta/alpha access anymore with keys
the way it works now is that it just flags your account
stiff vector
there might be beta key giveaways later on if blizzard decides its still a thing
but yeah right now its only flagging
mint arch
to the peeps talking about what sylvanas could have done at broken shore
maaaaybe, just hear me out here, send a msg to the alliance that the horde army was failing and they had to retreat... the retreat itself was fine, but the lack of comm was just -_- .... then again, its blizzard writing and they want to force AvH shit so :/
though just lul at still trying to defend sylvanas's actions xD
one action does not justify another~
even if other's use spirits and u wanna talk about the morality of that, what sylvanas does is still evil
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse patrol
Better idea. Work together like they did at Ahn’Qiraj. Their forces blended together.
frigid umbra
@tight wagon i know... the invasions and veiled arcanite... but still its very slow progress
terse patrol
Lol
mint arch
one was labeled horde, other alliance
terse patrol
Yeah
strange falcon
👌
south seal
Hmmm? 
tropic trail
I want beta 😦
ruby star
S a m e
tropic trail
I now know at least 20 people with beta and at least 8 of them dont even play wow anymore.
south seal
I got legion beta and HotS alpha, wdym?
mint arch
u dont need active sub for beta right?
rich apex
You probably do
wild pewter
So what's the egg for?
strange falcon
truly a failure
native ruin
Fail at life. Fail at Warcraft 😭
strange falcon
at least you got stuff like hearts
misty blaze
id rather have a beta invite than mounts from raids
tropic trail
same lol
shy oriole
I would pay for beta.
meager warren
i'd rather have mounts from raids than beta invite
dense plover
FYI, i know its a hypothetical, but actually paying for beta could get you perma-banned
so dont do it
meager warren
^
balmy ingot
blood fury of orc any update in BFA?
simple kestrel
on wowhead, i thought i read an article about a new bank room for those hitting the 10mil cap... i can't find that article... can someone link?
dense plover
cap hasnt been increased past 10 million
10 million was what it was increased to in Legion
simple kestrel
ok, but is there a new zone for those reaching the cap?
balmy ingot
i hope Blood fury will change to str or int and mag'har orc random change to mastery or vet.
dense plover
blood fury does what it does now
attack dmg and spell power depending on class
they arent going to overhaul abilities anymore
its beta now
balmy ingot
i tough attack power and spell power are not anymore at legion.
balmy ingot
i see
dense plover
since the scaling of those stats compared to weapons is more accurate
balmy ingot
i was planning to make new one main as shaman
i must to choose between of orc and mag'har
dense plover
so youll need a max level horde character anyway
balmy ingot
yep i will make hunter one ( easiest lvl )
be honest i dont think good idea to have random secondary stats of mag'har it is pure gamble
iron dwarf is damn good racials lol
dense plover
its not a gamble
all of them are good
and the amount it gives you isnt amazing
racials are supposed to be a bonus
not the reason you choose a race
which is why the blood elf and human racials are being nerfed
balmy ingot
i did use a lot at human because of 10% repu bonus. it made to faster got getting bonus mount speed and fly any.
dense plover
10% isnt that much
its a nice bonus
but other racials might be better depending on class
balmy ingot
well if you r doing 10x times by qeust and you got 1x free.
dense plover
i play undead brewmaster, so the undead anti-fear racial is great
also, i dont have to worry about breathing underwater
balmy ingot
true
dense plover
which makes the darkmoon skate mount better
balmy ingot
maghar is also nice about 10% speed mount
same as DK/Paladin
reason why i am back to horde because of upright orc.
dense plover
its very nice
i hope the upright undead thing happens too
i want to be able to see tabards
balmy ingot
troll did upright. but undead didnt yet?
or zand troll is only upright i think so
but zand troll didnt show racials yet.
do you have any idea about this/
?
strange falcon
the real question is tho
why did u leave the horde in the first place
<-<
i dont think we can let you back in so easily
dense plover
we dont know the zandalari racials
we know the names
but not what they do
and zandalari are upright only
regular trolls stay hunched
balmy ingot
i started at horde because i loved a lot shaman so burning legion did a lot shaman for horde.
but my irl friend asked me to join alliance. i was to sad so i played a lot at alliance. and getting used of that.
but i am big fan of Thrall.
balmy ingot
so this time i made to choice right
to back Horde 😃 so i leave all alliance chars
i will make to new one.
i can play both because they have different story
but horde will be main.
well i 'll be more curious about tomorrow.
but i want to know what they means about Connection realm?
so it will more mixed realm? or so?
dense plover
what do you mean?
connected realms already exist
they connect low pop servers together
balmy ingot
it iwll be 2 different world from pvp and pve in realm
dense plover
its done via phasing
thats unrelated to connected realms
connected realms combine two servers
war mode makes it so you only see others with war mode enabled and those with it disabled only see those with it disabled
balmy ingot
mm okay but it said also in mmo champion about coming soon connection realms
so i was choose to which realm to make new horde.
dense plover
just pick a high pop server
and again
connected realms are being made
more of them are
balmy ingot
high pop server is always full then you cannot to promise play this realm.
mortal zephyr
What you guys are talking about cannot be possible because that means different servers entirely for war mode.
balmy ingot
yep he told me
balmy ingot
but high pop does have disadvantage ?
mortal zephyr
Nope, you are wrong about phasing because phasing is on accident, not on purpose.
dense plover
im not wrong
mortal zephyr
nope
mortal zephyr
Party phasing is accidental and blizzard has even stated so
balmy ingot
@dense plover does high pop disadvantage ?
dense plover
"As previously previewed, Battle for Azeroth is changing how PvE and PvP realms work. Starting in 8.0, realms won't have separations as PvE or PvP, but now each player can choose whether they want to engage in War Mode or not. Players in War Mode will be in a separate shard from players without it. In order to toggle War Mode, players must be in a capital city.
As a reward for playing in War Mode, players will receive extra resources, like experience or Azerite Power, but they will also be susceptible to PvP attacks. This change will allow Blizzard to implement better World PvP content because everyone participating in it are agreeing to do so.
"
yes
there are high pop problems
mostly faction imbalance
if you dont pvp, it doesnt matter
just dont pick a full server
gartong
you cant argue with a fact
mortal zephyr
SHARDS dude, not ph'asing
balmy ingot
@dense plover but full pop will be never as closed? i mean i remember old wow like.. Cata. if server was fully then i cannot to join ingame because i have to wait in waitlist?
dense plover
yeah
so dont join a full server
ideally
medium pop with balanced factions is best
balmy ingot
so i knew
meager warren
imo it doesn't make sense for darkspear trolls to stay hunched and zandalari trolls to get straight-backs while both Durotar Orcs and Mag'har Orcs can have straight backs
🤔
mortal zephyr
I just got off wowhead with a blue and sharding is not phasing. If you have read up on everything. many classes will be able to get Shards, which are related to your abilities, not phasing. If I hav*e a shard and you have one, we both can go into war mode.
balmy ingot
@meager warren well i just love upright because thrall is also upright
dense plover
blue posts on wowhead are from the blizzard forums
mortal zephyr
Nope, the blue tracker on wowhead IS blizzard
balmy ingot
blue tracker is just api from Blizzard. everyone can also development php of that.
meager warren
I wish they'd just give better answers to questions like "Are Darkspear trolls getting straight-backs"
than "Oh no 'cause the only thing that makes darkspear trolls is their hunch"
balmy ingot
you can getting api from blizzard..
mortal zephyr
Nope
dense plover
Also, even if i misused phasing vs sharding, my point is still the same
you can only see people in war mode if you are in war mode
and vice versa
mortal zephyr
you can interact with the blue tracker and have actual convos dude.
balmy ingot
ya mrpeach
dense plover
are you an instinctive liar or something?
mortal zephyr
yes you can dude. I did it an so did others
balmy ingot
you need to click Source then it linked to eu or usa forums
dense plover
^
mortal zephyr
Nope
meager warren
if you're on #beta-ptr-spoilers, you're 70% more likely to be an instinctive liar than not
mortal zephyr
Go look at the beta blue tracker and see h'ow many people have posted through wowhead
balmy ingot
wowhead is database.
mortal zephyr
I just did it and i am not lying
mortal zephyr
Nope, WH is also linked to your BN accoun8t
mortal zephyr
it's much more than a database
meager warren
Wowhead. is. just. a. database.
balmy ingot
but wowhead.com is from ZAM not blizzard.
mortal zephyr
ZERO, you can link your BNL account with WH
dense plover
yeah
meager warren
no you cant
balmy ingot
BNL?
dense plover
it makes logging in easier