they are forced back
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
Unless its in Diablo.
ruby prawn
They didn't have the choice of being born either
mint arch
and this idea "we cant procreate" -_-
ruby prawn
Check mate
mint arch
lol, wat
ruby prawn
They couldn't choose to be revived, as they didn't choose to be born
hollow dock
What does that prove? How does that have any ties to necromancy forcing them from their comfortable afterlife to the world of the living in a rotting body?
ruby prawn
How do you know it's comfortable
languid yoke
necromancers in d3 were a mistake
hollow dock
Because unless they were a shit stain in life, they're rewarded in the afterlife. We know this is a thing in Warcraft as the Light does this to those souls. It also shuns them when theyre evil people, like Arthas.
mint arch
also there is no choice with being born, its completely different to revival, cause in revival, there is the possibility of a choice
terse patrol
Forsaken cry about their condition
mint arch
u an ask someone before dying: hey u wanna be revived
terse patrol
choose to make more forsaken
hollow dock
Sylvanas is just another Arthas.
terse patrol
lmao
hollow dock
You can commune with their spirit before reviving them
ruby prawn
@mint arch lol
languid yoke
I've said this to stubborn people a year ago, I'll say it now
Sylvanas is Hitler x Arthas
:v
ruby prawn
They can kill themselves after they are revived tho
terse patrol
bscly
hollow dock
I agree with ya Nwolf.
terse patrol
Sylvanas white knighters are the worst.
ruby prawn
~I don't think Sylvanas is as great as Hitler~
hollow dock
topkek
languid yoke
and in most cases people who disagree fell in love with sylvanas from before she turned undead and then try to defend all her actions
terse patrol
“sylvanas is always innocent because she got big tiddy”
hollow dock
Now with all this, I do love sylvanas as the villain theyre painting her.
ruby prawn
I fell in love with Sylvanas because she thicc and hot
hollow dock
I hope she gets a fufilling end to her story.
ruby prawn
She can't die
hollow dock
None of that Xavius or Elisande crap
she can actually.
she's died multiple times already
languid yoke
she just uses valkyr to avoid death
hollow dock
^
ruby prawn
Yeah, but was ressed
languid yoke
which is why she went hitler mode in Stormheim
hollow dock
And she's very fast running out of Rezes
uncut vault
I've said it before, true Sylvanas fans recognize that shes a shitty person, just a shitty person with motives
languid yoke
I don't agree with Genn attacking her there, but if he hadn't, Sylvanas would have that lamp and be even more hitler than she is now
probably turning all horde into undeads
terse patrol
There’s rumor from people with possible leakz that she’s going to do something horrific by accident, not knowing the consequences, and it’ll cause her to go on a redemption path.
hollow dock
Which is why I think if we ever do fight her, it'll be like Elisande where we get her HP to like 1%, she gets back to full and we keep burning out her Valkyr
Fuck that Honk
nothing she can do will ever redeem her
languid yoke
Portergauge: Her motives are bad and don't justify her action
languid yoke
and of course I love Dadmane in doggo form but he's an idiot
hollow dock
Gotta keep dem ded tiddies alive
terse patrol
Everyone screams when a Hordie is the bad guy
terse patrol
So they’ll never make Sylvanas an outright villain
languid yoke
sure they will
ruby prawn
She was ressed after she suicided and I am never ressed whenever I die to a mechanic
languid yoke
they did it with Garrosh, they can do it again
jovial coral
Sylvanas might be lich King 2.0
hollow dock
Because you dont have valkyr Exo
uncut vault
I mean, I'd say she has the same motive as basically every non-suicidal person ever, staying alive. She just does a lot of shitty things to keep it that way. But I hate to break it to people, theyre not playing warchief roulette again
terse patrol
Garrosh didn’t have the protection of thicc tiddies tho
jovial coral
You know what I mean
languid yoke
thicc tiddies should stay where they belong to. In the rotten hell of WoW classic
_>
hollow dock
Sylvanas is everything but Arthas 2.0 at this point.
languid yoke
she's wearing more clothes now, thank god
ruby prawn
Yes, a scourge expansion
ruby prawn
Greymane is a dumbo just as Sylvanas
terse patrol
I reckon she’s going to accidentally help the Old Gods
languid yoke
but he looks better cause he's male worgen
Honk: That would not be like Garrosh at all
:D
hollow dock
I reckon she's going to accidently set fire to teldrassil
languid yoke
"Oh, who knew fire burns down trees?!"
ruby prawn
Sylvanas will work with the current lich King and rain terror upon silvermoon once again
hollow dock
or accidently kill her sister.
languid yoke
"Oh, who knew elves aren't emortal?"
hollow dock
Who knew the l iving couldn't survive posioned black arrows
uncut vault
I mean, I'm betting thats what her story is. Her vision of hell was an old god deception while she was impaled with saronite, she's been working to prevent it and playing into the old god's hands.
lunar abyss
Woke up and saw the Mag'Har customization options... Like fuck blizzard you didn't have to do all the clans...
uncut vault
Will be their quick and easy way of redeeming her
hollow dock
She will nver get redeemed tho
languid yoke
fuck no redeeming her
hollow dock
All the crimes she's done, there's no way to ever redeem her.
ruby prawn
She will never be
languid yoke
if she gets redeemed I'll personally make a raid that kills her in Undercity for 24 hours straight
uncut vault
Im not saying I want it, I'm saying that's what they might be setting up.
jovial coral
I think if someone gave her her life back she'd consider picking up frostmourne
ruby prawn
Frostmourne doesn't exist....
jovial coral
Again you know what I mean
hollow dock
Frostmourne does exist still, its just reforged in 2 swords
uncut vault
if grom can get excused for genocide twice, so can Sylvanas, especially if it's under the excuse of old gods.
hollow dock
Grom also saved the world and fought back the Legion.
uncut vault
So did Sylv, we just didnt see it on screen
both anduin and Sylv talk about it in their embassy speeches
hollow dock
Sylvanas has genocidally wiped out two cities, tried to enslave titan constructs and then disappear.
true matrix
garrosh 2.0 would be so boring tho
hollow dock
But fitting for Sylvanas.
true matrix
snzzzzz
hollow dock
Unless you'd want it unresolved
And just sitting there the whole world ignoring it
because no one is going to accept she's redeemed
true matrix
I don't want it unresolved I just don't want to go down the exact same path we went down two xpacs ago
hollow dock
Then what path? The only ones I see are dropping it, Garrosh 2.0, and redemption
Clearly 2 of those aren't happening
true matrix
you forget this is blizzard we're talking about
uncut vault
People who think theyre gonna throw another warchief away, especially Sylv, are kidding themselves
hollow dock
That's what we said with Vol'jin
uncut vault
does it make sense for her to be a villain? absolutely
hollow dock
look at what happened
ruby prawn
I really think they will
uncut vault
are they going to throw her away because of that? Not a chance
ruby prawn
Just as Vris said, what did we think about Vol'jin?
hollow dock
cuz I remmeber everyoens fanfair at Vol'jin goin warchief. He's gonna save the horde, bring it back to the glorious thrall days, take down the machines garrosh put up, etc etc etc
one expac later
he dies
strange falcon
but voljin comin back as a spirit in bfa lul
ruby prawn
Spirit
hollow dock
Not as Warchief
removing sylvanas from the warchief seat, either by killign her and not burning out her Valkyr or by her fleeing, is all that people want to see at this point
ruby prawn
Nobody ever wanted her on that seat
hollow dock
the fukbois did
ruby prawn
Probably that's why Blizzard made her warchief
jovial coral
Maybe they'll exile her
ruby prawn
To show a plot twist
hollow dock
they pulled a shamalamadingdong on us
ruby prawn
We should stop caring about Baine so they make him warchief
ruby prawn
Yea
terse patrol
no, we need to hypersexualize Grom
ruby prawn
He doesn't have a shirt. We have a starting point already
ruby prawn
Yeah!
sullen dagger
but didnt the horde became a whiny bunch of lil female puppies beacuse garrosh has no actual charisma?
true matrix
look if we're voting in warchiefs based on looks we've at least got to consider lor'themar for the running
ruby prawn
No
mint arch
thalryssa can be next warchief, then whenever anyone says anything mean to her, she can betray em
bam, content for more WARcraft
true matrix
lmao thalyssra never betrayed anyone
well, except elisande, but damn that was deserved
mint arch
nah, i meant as warchief, she can then betray ppl who are mean to her
excuses for waaaaaar
sullen dagger
seriously people like the alliance vs horde APB kind of expac?
true matrix
oh sorry I thought you were implying she had already done that
in my defense I am very, very tired right now
ruby prawn
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone thinks like you
mint arch
only ppl who dont care about lore do, cause all they know is AvH
they dont care if things are contrived
ruby prawn
I care about the lore
uncut vault
I mean, Im a huge lore junkie, I love the conflict
ruby prawn
But I think it's a nice xpac
true matrix
maybe wait until the xpac is actually out before making judgements
terse patrol
if you think BFA is going to be an Alliance vs Horde expac, you’re legitimately retarded because you haven’t been paying attention to data mining.
mint arch
its old gods
true matrix
a different word would be preferable there, honk
mint arch
just that we have to trudge through AvH for the marketing bs
terse patrol
Nah, it’s fitting.
uncut vault
we dont even get to max level without old god problems, lol
sullen dagger
yeah, datamining > factual explanations from blizzcon panels and all that
way to go pal
uncut vault
end of Horde leveling is Zul and the Old Gods
true matrix
it's hurtful and it makes me uncomfortable, please use idiotic if you have to use any word
mint arch
i just want dadgar to go to all the faction leaders and slap them to their senses
terse patrol
“reeeeee i’m clinging to vague statements and obvious redirection from blizzards statements at blizzcon because otherwise how else will I be mad???”
mint arch
be like: yo, fcking look whats happening pls
ruby prawn
I hope Khadgar dies
mint arch
dont be retarded leaders
hollow dock
Khadgars not alliance
true matrix
seriously
uncut vault
If it isnt obvious, Blizzcon is usually set up months before the convention, and things usually change
terse patrol
Here’s a hint, dude.
uncut vault
Thal'dranath is a good example of that
sullen dagger
dude, the old gods can be in the end of the expansion, but the main theme at the start will be alliance vs horde, and all the new mechanics strive for that
true matrix
you know what, I'm just gonna mute this channel for a while, I'm too tired to argue about people using insensitive language
mint arch
lul, insensitive?
terse patrol
First raid is literally us killing an Old God or Old God monster. Second or third raid is literally Azshara, who served Nzoth.
sullen dagger
yes, we have void stuff getting ready, but the main focus of this expansion is the conflict of alliance vs horde
hollow dock
@sullen dagger Blizzard has said that Battle for Azeroth is a double entendre.
mint arch
ah man, what a world: sticks and stones may break my bones, but words somehow hurt me
hollow dock
Its a battle between the factions, and for Azeroth herself.
sullen dagger
yep, but taking acount of warfronts + the random generated isles, etc
hollow dock
And with Yogg-saron, N'zoth, Ozumat, and other old god forces cropping up everywhere AT LAUNCH
sullen dagger
the mechanics force you to fight aganist the horde
uncut vault
Also, Ions final line at Blizzcon was something along the lines of "What is the battle for azeroth, if theres no azeroth left to fight for"
true matrix
"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words leave psychological wounds which will never heal"
hollow dock
it's pretty clear this is going to be another MoP storywise
it starts out Horde vs alliance and quickly devolves into Old Gods
sullen dagger
also, the new flag system and pvp + pve merge of servers is gonna hurt to pve
terse patrol
Dude, the whole point of the expac is that the faction war is most likely going to have started via Old God influence/subterfuge.
hollow dock
it bolsters PVE as we dont have to worry about ganks
sullen dagger
problem is you get more resoruces if you have your flag on
hollow dock
OK and? If you're able to stay alive and do more
you get more
than if you're dying
to everyone being a shit stain PVPing :V
true matrix
"retard" is a slur and you shouldn't use it, I'm just gonna leave it at that
uncut vault
Theyre not going to be major bonuses for pvp flagging
sullen dagger
i hope so
uncut vault
if anything half the bonuses are just that you get your pvp talents while doing pve stuff
terse patrol
I feel like people are trying on purpose to get mad about BFA. They do it every expansion.
sullen dagger
nah, i0'm not mad
hollow dock
What?! People hate change and thus bandwagon hate every single expansion since BC
blasphemy
sullen dagger
but blizzard is like windows
windows xp? nice! windows vista? not nice!
legion? nice!
sullen dagger
w10 it's quite decent
mint arch
lol, im not gonna have this debate here, but its a fcking word and im free to use w/e word i want, dont get triggered
ruby prawn
The current world pvp is shit
uncut vault
(windows 10 is better)
hollow dock
(W10 is great but people despise itbecause its not Win 7)
jovial coral
Let's not act like words never hurt us
mint arch
apart from the privacy BS microsoft is pulling
terse patrol
World pvp is dead at this point. It died with BC.
sullen dagger
imho w10 >w7>wxp
true matrix
@mint arch "We have a zero tolerance policy towards racist, sexist or otherwise bigoted views/slurs in our community. "This is the internet" is never an excuse for such behavior, and will be dealt with swiftly. You can and will be banned for repeatedly causing trouble."
hollow dock
Wait I shouldn't be tolerated then
ruby prawn
World PvP consists of waiting for a low level player to revive and kill him, while you are at 970 ilvl
sullen dagger
dude, saying retard isnt a bigoted view
true matrix
it's a slur
sullen dagger
it's an insult, thats it
true matrix
says the, I don't know, thousands of people with mental illness, disabilities, and developmental disorders who've had the word hurled at them?
hollow dock
Bad is also a transphobic term. Should we not use it?
sullen dagger
if you have thin skin and you cant handle it, maybe you should stop being around the internet yanno?
people are mean
mint arch
^
sullen dagger
and being anonymous make us meaner
uncut vault
<@&299347348847329281> pls sort
true matrix
did y'all even read the rules when joining this server
""This is the internet" is never an excuse"
sullen dagger
lol
terse patrol
here we go
hollow dock
They suck
tulip sun
Why?
ruby prawn
A retarded person is someone with a mental disability it's not a slur
hollow dock
because its on disgusting orcs
true matrix
IT IS A SLUR OH MY GOD
sullen dagger
and if you think some people has a fucking disabilitiy?
OH MY YOU ARE MEAN
that dont make you a bigot
ruby prawn
STOP ARGUING
sullen dagger
thiunking you have the reason cause you feel like it, that makes you a bigot
ruby prawn
Nobody is gonna stop ever
terse patrol
tbh this argument is retarded 😉 let’s stop.
true matrix
I'll stop arguing when people stop using harmful language lmao
mint arch
harmful?
true matrix
<@&299347348847329281>
terse patrol
This is for BFA spoilers.
mint arch
jesus christ
hollow dock
all language is harmful tho
sullen dagger
HALP I0M BEING BULLIED MOD
ruby prawn
And you think @true matrix, that they will stop because you said it?
mint arch
yes call the mods, let them know YOU got triggered by the word
sullen dagger
dude stap
hollow dock
if its negative in any way, its harmful language.
mint arch
sure
true matrix
you can't drop it and just use a different word? there are tens of better ones
hollow dock
like?
mint arch
lol
sullen dagger
potato, i guess
true matrix
stupid, idiotic, inane, dumb, silly
ruby prawn
That's a slur as well
hollow dock
all harmfuls lurs
jovial coral
Silly is alright
hollow dock
In the english language, if its negative in any way, its been used as an insult and slur against someone at some point in our history.
terse patrol
To be fair, calling someone stupid is an insult to their intelligence.
sullen dagger
what make a slur being allright and what doensent? i'm really curious
mint arch
S L U R S
terse patrol
My mother is schizophrenic, and I don’t freak out about people calling others schizo when they freak out about dumb shit.
idk
jovial coral
Would she?
mint arch
words are words, dont let words fck u up, especially on the internet -_-
sullen dagger
^thius
terse patrol
Well, she denies she has it so @jovial coral 😉
true matrix
words aren't just empty groups of letters. they have meanings and connotations and can have an impact, especially when they're used to incite aggression and violence towards people.
mint arch
because ppl take words so seriously
hollow dock
We didn't incite aggression or violence tho. We just told someone to not be dumb, in a harsher way than was needed yes.
sullen dagger
dude you cant take seriously what people says on the internet
mint arch
u can make that case if ur talking real life face to face, sure i can see ur side
but on the internet xD
sullen dagger
if you do you will have a problem untill you learn how to handle it without PTSD
terse patrol
how many people with downs syndrome are assaulted? I get the feeling it’s not a high number.
mint arch
and ya, the reaction to words is not to get triggered and ptsd about it
true matrix
I repeat, did you guys not read the rules when you joined this server?
"This is the internet" is never an excuse
it's like. right there. in the welcome channel
sullen dagger
its not an excuse, it's the reason
mint arch
we're not talking excuses
we have no excuse to make
we didnt do anything
ur the one being triggered
hollow dock
we'll stop using that word when tumblr stops overusing it
mint arch
lol
west relic
hollow dock
heya thulm.
barren latch
Is it really needed to insult somebody to win an argument?
west relic
Yeah, I suggest we drop the topic and hand keep this channel about #beta-ptr-spoilers rather than other nonsense. That can be taken to DM’s if you really feel the need to talk about it.
hollow dock
apparently.
hollow dock
now that that's over, let's talk about how we're going to get Baine fanboys to get Baine to the seat of warchief
hollow dock
nah saurfangs to old. If we're going to get a better warchief in, we have to do what Syvlanas did.
sullen dagger
he wont be, but should
hollow dock
OVER S E X U A L I Z A T I O N
hollow dock
PERFECT
Baine will now only be in a Leather thong. but its not enough.not provocative enough.
mint arch
ty mods
uncut vault
Hoping the orc skins are just placeholder, was really hoping to be a blackrock with cool tats
hollow dock
blackrock dks
we need to make Baine hyper depressed to. and gothic.
that's what we're missing
tulip sun
I think the skins honestly are good. We get several variations of orcs from different clans.
hollow dock
and then we can take back Durotar from those dirty orcs
hollow dock
I first read that as 'Unite to make a faction of pure Flood'
languid yoke
pls
languid yoke
flood the world and the only survivors are tauren and worgen
mint arch
<---- halo lore man
languid yoke
and then embrace something I totally didn't just do on accident on ptr http://puu.sh/ztXjd/a5fe1b09ec.jpg
mint arch
H A L O
languid yoke
runs away. Far far away
mint arch
KappaPride
jovial coral
The worgen looks traumatized
terse patrol
Hakkari traitor...
hollow dock
I support zul for warchief
jovial coral
Might as well put Gallywix up for chief then
hollow dock
Gallywix can't be over sexualized though
jovial coral
There you go let's make it happen
hollow dock
they scrapped that though
jovial coral
It's not too late
hollow dock
So they already decided, 'nah thats to far'
steel venture
Especially the Leia outfits and "exotic" posing.
hollow dock
again it all fits what Gallywix is and that is something he'd do
but if that ever made it in game
OHBOI
terse patrol
whats the difference between him having troll slaves, and his goblin slaves
Slavery is a thing in the Horde, even under Thrall. People forget that.
That’s the whole plot of Varian’s story.
He was a gladiator slave in the Horde.
hollow dock
isnt that kindafunny
thrall frees hsi people from slavery and seems so against it
but allows it to exist in his horde
pimpism tho
its not seen as OK. Double standards
jovial coral
We'll let Gallywix have his slaves then thrall will be like this is too far one day and demand to be chief
steel venture
Also it's gonna be difficult for Gally to have troll slaves now tho
The trolls in Kezan have been retconed to be Zandalari
So. Liiiittle awkward if we're getting them.
jovial coral
Then they'll be human
Gnomes kul tirans gallywix won't care
However Gallywix is probably into dwarf chicks
lunar abyss
@steel venture weren't the trolls that are slaves part of prophet Zul's cultish lot and we're exiled by rastakan?
Why would rastakan care about a traitorus lot of trolls
willow frost
Zap Zap bby
terse patrol
Thats just because they use the goblin player skeleton
proud karma
See, im not saying they won't be
I just think they probably weren't planned? Because they're horde but use gob skeletons
And i don't think they'd do that twice is all. Blizz does not love the poor gobs
terse patrol
No need to be a little cunt.
lmao
"@terse patrol are you dense or just trolling"
🤔
Why are you linking staff members, dude. There are more mods than just Calaelen and Inter. Lmao.
lunar abyss
Yo y'all are losing your crap over something that might not even be true or untrue seriously is there anything else you can spend your time on rather than being petty towards each other?
lunar abyss
I just don't like seeing people not getting along can y'all just agree to disagree and not be rude
Cool I guess not
terse patrol
minor ingot
tawny tree
I'd advice you to calm down with the name calling in this channel.
If you have issues with someone, block them. If you're concerned about it spreading to other members or think they have intentions of being malicious. Poke a mod. We're always around. Don't add fuel to the fire.
terse patrol
People get pretty riled up over their vulpera. 
hollow dock
(Vulpera do use the Goblin skeleton. Do not mix up skeleton with model.)
lunar abyss
hollow dock
yea we both are
lunar abyss
Wrong emote
Does that corn emote I use have any good context or can kind just be shoved anywhere
lunar abyss
tawny tree
Cough I'm still here. Be careful.
lunar abyss
Love your icon
terse patrol
Just so you know a little mechanics when it comes to allied races: they all use skeletons of pre existing races. Just because Vulpera have new animations doesn't mean it's a new skeleton. Presumably, it's going to still have carry-over animations from goblins.
See Nightborne, for instance.
They have their own running/idle animations.
However, they mostly have the same animations of Night Elves.
Like the emotes.
So, just because Vulpera have a "swim backwards" animation doesn't mean they're going to be an allied race. I personally think they will be, but animations are not proof. @lament cape
hollow dock
I precieve it as 'This is going to be a different approach than our handling of the Gilbins'
Nope. Gilbins are just the only other goblin altered race that exist that I can think of for comparison
willow frost
I love vulepra. They're fluffy.
I like how they live in the australia of zandalar, probably scavenger doods
tropic trail
If we get them as an allied race, you bet I’m naming mine “Crashbandicoot”
willow frost
I'll stick with whatever lore allows
hollow dock
Winces at the cringe
willow frost
Doesn't feel right to have every npc refer to me as a username
terse patrol
Uhm, I’m sorry.
willow frost
for what
terse patrol
But if you don’t call your Vulpera “Ratchet”, and be a hunter with a robot pet named “Clank”, it’s 100% a waste.
willow frost
o
hollow dock
I can get behind that because I played a lot of Ratchet and Clank
willow frost
I just want to know if we get them or not right now tbh, it's making me anxious
jovial coral
What would be the vulpera racials
hollow dock
there's absolutely nothing showing that we'll get them at this point
willow frost
we don't know what their society is like and what powerd they have
zinc sandal
We'd know by now, tbh. They won't be.
willow frost
:[
zinc sandal
That leaves room for one Alliance allied race. And it won't be Vulpera, definitely.
hollow dock
Vulpera are mostly being helped by Horde, but alliance also help em out as they get into Zandalar.
willow frost
well, that banner for allied races is still pretty long...
hollow dock
It'll get filled
but you can't add in to many
If you add in to many at one time, you'll exhaust players
Exhausted players stop playing and generating money
willow frost
Two more sets and it'll be the same length as classic, there's still room for 2 more after that
terse patrol
Only ones that are basically confirmed are Zandalari, Draenor Orcs, Dark Irons, and Kul Tirans.
terse patrol
Kul Tirans have heritage stuff in the files, just no models.
willow frost
oh boy more humans
hollow dock
thin and fat humans
willow frost
We don't need more humans that just have different accents
terse patrol
Kul Tirans have new models tho
hollow dock
We just told you theyre not normal humanstho
willow frost
still just humans
ruby star
Wants High Elfs
terse patrol
what if i want to play a burly kul tiran paladin
hollow dock
Its just a variant of our current races
willow frost
:/
terse patrol
Thicc Humans.
hollow dock
did everyone just conveniently forget that?
terse patrol
Allied Races is basically: “we’re reusing assets to make new races.”
Like how if Vulpera were a race, it’s because they use goblin rigging.
willow frost
myeh
terse patrol
A full new race requires new skeletons, models, etc.
willow frost
Pandas use the old female dwarf skeleotn
hollow dock
That's the point: Old. Not the current.
Pandaren got modified, remade and a new race was born out of it
Allied races are just rush jobs to give us some more customization and diversity
terse patrol
If Ogres were added, they’d need new models and such.
New skeletons.
(Ogres when)
hollow dock
You can see how theyre rush jobs now in our current 4 allied races. Glares at Nightborne
terse patrol
They put the most effort into Highmountain Tauren and Void Elves clearly
zinc sandal
oKAY BUT OS ARE YOU
terse patrol
I’m not miffed about them.
hollow dock
I dont see why people hate velves so much
zinc sandal
^
ruby star
I like Void Elfs, but I would of preferred High Elfs
hollow dock
if anything it proves what the RP community has been doing since BC
terse patrol
I find their mechanics to be enjoyable.
hollow dock
Which is showing that the High elves and blood elves are highly susceptible to magical corruption.
terse patrol
5% more damage/healing when in void form? Yes please.
zinc sandal
"They came out of nowhere, they have no lore yadda yadda" No, they didn't. And they have lore: blood/high elf lore.
willow frost
I just think they're edgy and too taboo to fit into alliance
terse patrol
well, the Alliance have werewolf brits.
willow frost
Except they're still human at heart and are refugees, friends with the nelves etc
hollow dock
British Werewolves and Flashlight using Space goats isn't to edgy?
terse patrol
Now they have emo elf brits.
hollow dock
Illidari, deathknights aren't to edgy?
terse patrol
Add Vulpera to Alliance to balance out Void Elf edge.
hollow dock
We did not need the illidari
Not once in the story have they actually provided anything of meaning
terse patrol
^
willow frost
we thought we needed them
terse patrol
tbh, only Illidan did shit
hollow dock
We didn't
terse patrol
lol
zinc sandal
We didn't go to them, celmig. They came to us.
willow frost
when your world is on the brink of destruction you take everything you can
hollow dock
If all of the Illidari were wiped out and joined the legion
terse patrol
illidari have legion space ship
hollow dock
the story goes the exact same way as if they didnt
terse patrol
dont use it to go to argus
willow frost
The velved officially joined after the invasion
terse patrol
Ye
proud karma
Tru
willow frost
but they're still practicing illegal magic, and we barely tolerate warlocks
willow frost
taboo
zinc sandal
Taboo =/= Illegal
terse patrol
RPers like acting like it is.
hollow dock
And we dont actually tolerate warlocks
willow frost
but guards would still tell you to cut it out
zinc sandal
In fact, Draenei wield/wielded it.
hollow dock
That's why all warlocks are literally and metaphorically underground
hollow dock
They still use fel and demons. No ones trusting that anytime soon.
hollow dock
As for Shadow Priests, Draenei have been using the shadows to help those in the afterlife, its one of their traditions.
hollow dock
Granted, Shadow Priests are not publically shown and are just as hidden
terse patrol
Ye. Draenei only die to disease and violence. So their spirits need soothing.
hollow dock
Yea I haven't seen a Draenei that's peacefully passed in their sleep yet
zinc sandal
You won't
hollow dock
that's a good point
jade basalt
They clearly still mistrust warlocks, and they feel uneasy near them. They do understand their powers though, which is why Varian was "glad" when the warlocks arrived in Tides of War and started throwing spells, but he didn't like it.
Specially since that felguard basically told him "you're next" after cleaving a dude in half
terse patrol
I assume some Draenei die and go to the Shadowlands, so Soulpriests of Auchindoun contact them, and help them come to peace, so they can go to the Light.
hollow dock
Yea. Thrall has even barely tolerated them, IF they stay in the Cleft of Shadows.
terse patrol
Soulpriests only became evil due to falling into despair with the fall of Draenor, or Legion corruption.
hollow dock
Both sides understand theyre necessary evils. In the case of the velves, because of Alleria's condition, anduin and turalyon trust that she'll keep them in check.
terse patrol
They used their power for good.
proud karma
As long as they stay away from anything void corruptible haha
willow frost
would you let a void elf in your home for a cup of tea if you were a Draenei, human, or Dwarf though?
zinc sandal
Why not?
hollow dock
Yes.
terse patrol
That one Soulpriest in Warlords of Draenor joined the Legion because the Iron Horde kidnapped her brother or something, and she thought the Draenei couldnt help her.
hollow dock
Even if I were a paladin or priest on either three, my teaching is to stay my hand until actual injustice or crimes are commited.
The church even allows you to walk around as a velf, sure they show disdain and distrust of you, but do not ask you to leav.e
zinc sandal
Priests with a brain larger than a pea know that Void will always exist and there is just no way to remedy that
There is no Light without Void, and viceversa. And the more powerful one grows, so does the other.
hollow dock
as much as we joke that paladins are all 'DUES VULT DUES VULT' they really aren't.
terse patrol
Lightforged seem a bit more Deus Vult than most tho
but they tolerate void elves due to Alleria
zinc sandal
Xe'ra was the most vocal about it. Then again, she was a naaru. And she's dead now so...
hollow dock
Well. yea. Zealots are.
but theyre zealots
Someone like Turalyon or Uther or Liadrin aren't like that.
zinc sandal
Not even the Nathrezim dude who's name I'll never remember
zinc sandal
Mhm
terse patrol
I swear the Lothraxion in the audio drama is a better voice for him @hollow dock
Sounds like Bruz from Shadows of Mordor lol
hollow dock
HE IS
terse patrol
BRIGHT LORD, DARK LORD, SAME DIFFERENCE REALLY.
I hope they use Lothraxion tho
He’s cool. He was barely used in Legion
proud karma
I'd be fine with velfs, plenty of alli stuff can be dark
they're just dangerous to have around I guess
Less so in the alliance I think
Do they have any naaru left around? (Stupid question sorry)
hollow dock
Yes they do. Plenty of them.
zinc sandal
Plenty of Naaru out there
carmine junco
there's still the one in Shattarath as well? Unless it's died in a book or something I don't know about
hollow dock
Oh, um.No Oro was the windchime in Exodar.
I dont think there was a second.
I coul dbe wrong.
proud karma
Oh
Well either way
hollow dock
Theres one in Shadowmoon that oversaw the assualt on the Black temple, there's the one in Shatt and the one on Quel'danas
proud karma
The heart in the sunwell reacted badly so just stay clear of those and we good
carmine junco
^
hollow dock
Yup. that's why the void practitioners were exiled in the first place Bara.
Void and Light do not mix
hollow dock
Most they'll probably do is stay in the void until battle calls
With the exception of us
the PCs
proud karma
I'm just saying that if there was any objection to em in the alli it'd b that
Oh!
Neat idea
Chillin in a rift
uncut vault
terse patrol
MOOOJO JOJO!
terse patrol
hes right tho. Darkspear have a history of getting memed
hollow dock
you know what I can now just imagine the Zandalari vs Darkspear is just Crips vs bloods all over again
terse patrol
I guess all trolls are in the Horde now tho, if the Zandalari join the Horde
proud karma
Oh they do
But that's blizz writing it's YALL FAULT
Senjin was killed by murlocs for God's sake
zinc sandal
No you're silly
hollow dock
Yea 12 years of them being a punching bag makes em feel that way)
But remember: Gnolls put Stormwind on the brink of collapse
Fucking. Gnolls.
zinc sandal
Murlocs are so strong even the Legion recruited them
languid yoke
humans suck so of course gnolls could beat them and I still refuse to believe murlocs can be dangerous
hollow dock
I AM MORE THAN A FISH
I AM MORE THAN A MAN
DEATH WILL RISE FROM THE TIDE
VARIOUS MURLOC SOUNDS
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Murloc#Intelligence @languid yoke
terse patrol
to be fair, gnolls are dangerous. They just rarely ever organize into big enough groups to be a threat.
That, and they have a very simple, uneducated society.
also
official female gnoll art
hollow dock
Like. I really want to say something
but I think some people would find it offensive
hollow dock
is that series any good?
terse patrol
It’s canon, written for kids. There’s still fighting and killing and stuff, apparently, though.
I haven’t read it though.
The art is nice though
terse patrol
I want playable gnolls, just so their laugh sound is literally just the gnoll cackle that’s already in game.
hollow dock
various Hearthstone Hogger sounds
terse patrol
Yip yip.
rich apex
terse patrol
Their entire starter questline would just be finding more and more exotic bones to gnaw on
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
tropic trail
Weren't both the Trolls and Tauren close to joining the Alliance?
tropic trail
The Tauren were very close to joining the Alliance tho'.
terse patrol
Ye, the Tauren helping the same orcs who chopped down their forests soured relations a bit
hollow dock
Just for the main chunks
those in the Cenarius Circle are still friendly despite it all
tropic trail
Argent crusade should be purging under city to hunt down sylvanas, cenarius circle should be mad at the horde for setting fire to half of kalimdor. Neutral factions are kinda dumb tbh.
hollow dock
Not entirely. Sylvanas has not gone on a binge against the world yet*
Hordes only setting fire to Teldrassil, a tree that shouldn't exist
proud karma
Honestly that tree is full to the leaves with void AND fel corruption
hollow dock
teldrassil doesnt have no void corruption
Some fel corruption yes
and natural corruption of nature, as its a forcibly grown world tree that wasn't blessed as it was grown.
hollow dock
I remember later down the line it does get reblessed by everyone
jade basalt
Nope
hollow dock
but as Teldrassil was growing, it wasn't blessed and that's what caused all the issues.
jade basalt
Nozdormu never blessed the tree. Alex & Ysera blessed it together.
hollow dock
They did rebless Nordrassil
jade basalt
Yes but, again, not by Nozdormu
hollow dock
But teldrassil wasn't blessed until later.
dense plover
yeah
its not blessed to make them immortal
but it is blessed to connect to the dream and not rot
hollow dock
Right, I know that. but that's during stormrage. not after the third war when it was being grown.
jade basalt
Teldrassil was never blessed by Nozdormu.
hollow dock
With Teldrassil grown, the Arch Druid approached the dragons for their blessings, as the dragons had placed upon Nordrassil in ancient times. But Nozdormu, Lord of Time, refused to give his blessing, chiding the druid for his arrogance. In agreement with Nozdormu, Alexstrasza also refused Staghelm, and without her blessing, Teldrassil's growth has been flawed and unpredictable...
hollow dock
Until later, Teldrassil was unblessed
jade basalt
Vris said it does get reblessed by everyone, I'm saying that's incorrect.
dense plover
clearly it was a mistake
hollow dock
OK by everyone was the wrong word
it gets blessed by Ysera and Alex later
there. Happy?
jade basalt
Yup.
hollow dock
[1:39 PM] Vris: teldrassil doesnt have no void corruption
[1:39 PM] Vris: Some fel corruption yes
[1:40 PM] Vris: and natural corruption of nature, as its a forcibly grown world tree that hasn't been blessed
[1:41 PM] MyMindWontQuiet: It was blessed
[1:41 PM] MyMindWontQuiet: Just not by Nozdormu
[1:41 PM] MyMindWontQuiet: And it had some Nightmare corruption
also this is what you called me out on
so don't try and play the upper hand here
jade basalt
You were wrong about that too. The talk was about modern day Teldrassil.
Which was blessed, just not by Nozdormu, as I said.
Cheers for taking the effort of highlighting your own its a forcibly grown world tree that hasn't been blessed
Which, again, is wrong, because it was blessed.
hollow dock
Well you have your fun then.
there. corrected it. since apparently you couldn't infer it.
as I've admitted, I have trouble with words
jade basalt
It's okay.
hollow dock
Clearly its not
jade basalt
Female orc hairstyles are up https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236179831346298881/416666941001039882/HairStyle.jpg
jade basalt
Not sure if this was already linked but it'd be nice if we could get these male hairstyles on this edit, they're Warlords hairstyles https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/323545815538991124/416640996269621268/ab1b0ca5df76685b8e3dfac73529d734.png
dense plover
apparently there is a new quilboar model too
they use the tauren skeleton
they look a bit weird too
no spines
hair and big boney spikes
dont know why this wasnt picked up in one of the new model posts
dense plover
no they dont
the others use the quilboar skeleton
which is why they have less animations
jade basalt
Nope, it was all over every site. There are quillboar with tauren skeletons.
dense plover
and quilboar specific animations
my point is there are two different quilboar skeletons
jade basalt
jade basalt
Yup
dense plover
apparently it was added in 032
last build before this one
but i dont understand why they have 2 different male quilboar skeletons
its weird
one uses tuaren skeleton
one uses OG quilboar skeleton
or a new version of the OG one
they are different variants
but its confusing why they chose to do it
clearly they are going to be a prominent part of the story in stormsong valley
i love the spiked metal ring hairstyle for the maghar
no male hairstyles yet it seems
what>
im talking about maghar
with the hair
quilboar have both
thats whats weird
brutes dont have quils
they have hair and big spikes
no
look at the brutes
you clearly arent
the brutes are a different model
6 big bony spikes out the back
no quils
these are spikes
the brutes dont have the spine shake when they roar
and it moves like hair
they act like hair though
they dont have the texture of the spikes
and they dont have the spike animations
spine animations
yeah
when a quilboar roars, its spines move
they bristle
its an iconic animation
yeah
look at the regular quilboar
they do move
check the roar animation and you will see what i mean
yeah
battleroar
the quils move slightly
and you can see the difference between quils and hair
the regular ones have both
nods
i dont
im just confused why the brutes dont use the regular model
it seems confusing
i mean, it gives them access to more animations, which means less work
but it is still confusing since they will look very different when attacking or moving
yeah
i imagine as much
ideally, they will add in some of the quilboar animations to that model
no no
add some of the base quilboar animations to the brute
like the battle roar
its an iconic animation that has remained since vanilla
probably not
but i hope it does
considering the other ones have it
no
but you can make one or two
its not too hard to make a few animations
not a ton since they are reusing a skeleton
why? to make the two types of npcs move and act somewhat similarly so that it doesnt look like a skin
the brutes do?
thats true
steel venture
Not really much effort now though.
The new rigging system allows animations to be more streamlined and easily modified.
jovial coral
Yeah some new animations are always good
hollow dock
I don't see her model
dense plover
make sure you have the BfA checkbox clicked
sullen dagger
zinc sandal
??
hollow dock
What was hername
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
Yea.
hollow dock
It might have gotten some details changed, but that's defiantly from ToT.
hollow dock
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/3/3b/High_Priestess_Mar'li_(Throne_of_Thunder).jpg?version=ac335a9155f2a6db72b02236c2b6ee0e
Nvm exact same model just reused
possibly just a placeholder
hollow dock
what is with WoWhead not wanting to show me the screenshots
zinc sandal
Not showing for me either
sullen dagger
i just opened the 3d model atnd took a ss
hollow dock
PLEASE
LET IT BE TAMABLE
;3;
Loque was a loa mate!
Let this one be tamable blizz please!
dense plover
btw there are no screenshots
dense plover
you have to view the model
hollow dock
Also Nikash of the Sandfury is a unique look.
meager warren
i hope we get a T-Rex mount at some point
hollow dock
its an HD model of our WotLK spiders
zinc sandal
NICE
meager warren
we have triceratops, raptors, brachiosaurs, and some others but no T-Rex mount ;c
w h y, blizz
hollow dock
the closest we have is Thok
meager warren
thok's not a mount tho
hollow dock
If Zandalari do get T-rex mounts I'm making one specifically tog et that mount and nothing else
meager warren
so u do like HORDE
dense plover
there are like 8 variations
hollow dock
No
meager warren
yes
hollow dock
I like T-rex mounts
dense plover
not including recolors
meager warren
ye
hollow dock
I will stand being a horrid, disgusting and uncultured horde player until Im bored with the T-rex mount.
meager warren
you take that back
hollow dock
that firstone is recolored Horridon
er second one
First ones just a bee :v
The next allied race is a Bee confirmed
dawn valley
I am a warlock now and its rewlly cool I am looking for a good gulid to put my warlock in can any one help me fined a good one
hollow dock
You'd have a better chance looking for a guild in the #retail-guild-recruitment-us channel
hollow dock
that's the Withered Model with an arcane effect around it.
hollow dock
Yup that's exactly firelands. An HD touch up of the Hunter boss