beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

Honestly I could see a siege of stormwind raid if they kill turalyon

[deep pawn]

I wonder what they're looking for live content or something

[rain cave]

Get the nobility riled up by a dread lord

[ember blaze]

@deep pawntheyre asking if u would play a warcraft game in different game genres

[glass flicker]

Why'd it autocorrect braids to raids?

I'm losing it.

[ember blaze]

so like RPG, shooter, turn based

[rain cave]

IMO I could see them revamping character creation after last Titan

Since I imagine we get a paradigm shift then

[deep pawn]

Why even ask? Just make WC4

[ember blaze]

i think we are far due for a single player rpg from WoW

[ember blaze]

no ty

i dont like that genre

[glass flicker]

Uh, yeah, it's called Warcraft 3 Reforged.

[rain cave]

My idea for wc4 is giving a bunch of mini campaigns of important wars in the Warcraft lore

[glass flicker]

Go play it if you want a singleplayer WoW game with modern textures.

[rain cave]

Army of the light vs legion, war of the ancients with broxigar

Etc

[glass flicker]

It's the story directly before WoW, surely it's good enough.

[rain cave]

I don’t really see a way to make a new Warcraft with a forward facing story

Unless WoW no longer exists

[deep pawn]

Odd to ask though but this survey would be 5+ years away

[ember blaze]

why? better to see what genre most ppl r interested in

[deep pawn]

The StarCraft looter shooter has been in development for a long time

[ember blaze]

instead of something dead on arrival

[glass flicker]

Maybe they're just looking for community ideas for the next saga.

I mean...

[deep pawn]

MMO players wouldn't really care that much

[glass flicker]

They already asked the Chinese playerbase who they expect to die.

[ember blaze]

cause i certainly dont want an RTS or shooter wow game

[rain cave]

They could totally do something like a WoW rogue like that’s themed around classic

Darkest dungeon style

[ember blaze]

i want a cool single player rpg following some major lore character or event

[glass flicker]

What I'd be down for is V Rising with WoW characters.

[ember blaze]

yeah they got every genre listed on the survey lol

check your launcher to see if u got the survey

horror 👀

[rain cave]

Vampire survivors type game about an infinite dragon going back and helping broxigar by resetting him over and over as he kills hordes of demons

[ember blaze]

but i think id want something as good as expedition 33

"moba"

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah, I’m saying that’s what’s weird about it. Just doesn’t feel that long ago

I started playing in WoD so it’s especially weird to me, maybe I can start calling people newgens (jk)

[upper pasture]

Crazy because moba style W3 maps was a huge thing back in the day along side tower defense game modes

[ember blaze]

and blizz failed at both

rip rumble

[glass flicker]

I mean, DotA, Defense of the Ancients, literally started in Warcraft 3.

A moba gamemode created by the community.

Had they just paid the ones who created the gamemode to make it in a new engine as a Blizzard game, they wouldn't have had that copyright fiasco.

But, yeah, Blizzard's one of many screwups.

[upper pasture]

Rumble paled in comparison of a real TD game it was more like clash of clans or whatever

[glass flicker]

Honestly, a lot of great games could have started in Warcraft 3 if Blizzard only weren't such big dummies.

[ember blaze]

i liked the no p2w part of it

maybe that was an issue for them

but some stuff was just hard for no reason

dumbest thing i came across was the raid requirements

and then being locked out of your units after using them...

[deep pawn]

I mean it was kinda p2w

at the very least it was kinda boring and slow f2p

[ember blaze]

it needed more stuff to grind too imo

like there should have been gear 🤔

like learn a lil from those other successful gachas

the events also felt bad cause there was some cringe requirements on them to complete the quests 💀

[autumn dagger]

any new interesting voicelines from l'ura during the secret phase?

[subtle oar]

Race is over

Liquid Won

[glass flicker]

Those oompa loompas made L'ura unbeatable without addons on mythic, it's hilarious.

"We must shut down the use of computational addons!"
Makes a fight unbeatable with them for some reason.

[remote shuttle]

Seems you get confused at the concept of required versus optimization; Perhaps if you knew what it did.
Some brief research shows the Termination mechanic was definitely strained in implementation; but the memory game was explained on stream and was a very simple solution to bypass communications with macros and such.

[deep pawn]

oooo, the story today is gonna make some angy folks

the mmo-c high elf thread is gonna be LIT

pretty cloak at least

[rain cave]

Am I tripping or does the dawn well just look the same as the sun well 😭

I was expecting it to look more… made of all the stuff in it?

Rather than like all light again

[deep pawn]

yeah

it's a bit the same

makes you sleepy

[rain cave]

When you walk into it?

[deep pawn]

yeah

[rain cave]

That’s… interesting

[glass flicker]

Do I have to nerd emoji that?

[pulsar minnow]

It really does

I almost wonder if they changed the effects on it after hearing the backlash in early datamining

I was honestly expecting the well to just look like liquid azerite

[glass flicker]

After hearing Dawnwell, one would expect it to at least have cycles of Light and something else like Beledar.

[uncut vault]

It is quite different, actually

[glass flicker]

Light and Arcane makes sense, but the Void Elves are right there.

[uncut vault]

But the Dawnwell is just super lame and nothing looking by comparison

[glass flicker]

The most likely scenario is that it's trying to emulate the way it looked like in TBC and the Midnight cinematic, where it's just a glowy pool.

No radiant globe of energy.

[pulsar minnow]

Dumb question but has anyone in lore ever drank from the well bc I never thought about it til now

Like would you just instantly explode or something

[glass flicker]

It's not for drinking. Think about it this way:

[pulsar minnow]

I mean I know what the well does dw

[glass flicker]

Take the most awful, body-breaking diarrhea you've ever had, and multiply it by magic cancer.

[pulsar minnow]

But it’s kinda funny to imagine a bunch of elves with straws drinking from it

[glass flicker]

That's basically drinking from a Font of Power.

[pulsar minnow]

I feel like Thalyssra would have a crazy straw for sure

[glass flicker]

No, she'd just drain some magic from it when she needs to.

[pulsar minnow]

☹️

On a serious note I’m glad we’re finally getting follow through on that random ethereal report from K’aresh about “the true nature of the elf wells”

[glass flicker]

Ehh, I don't like some races having all the answers while the ones who built the things don't.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean if there’s any race that I think would understand magical fonts of power, I feel it would be the K’areshi

And it wasn’t really the whole race it was just one researcher

[fathom fulcrum]

ok but can high / void elves go to the horde only part of the city?

[rain cave]

they should make an elf only section now

[fathom fulcrum]

also hope Arator dies

😃

he should sacrifice to save his parents 🙏

[little hound]

Gnomes should just go extinct 🙏

[fathom fulcrum]

WHY

[pulsar minnow]

I really hope Arator has some cool stuff happen to him. I absolutely loved how he was portrayed in the animated short but in-game he kinda has a lot of the same issues Anduin’s character had

Arator and Pre-Shadowlands Anduin kinda feel like this right now

[glass flicker]

Daniel and The Cooler Daniel vibes.

[pulsar minnow]

Anyone notice whats going on in dreamrift with this?

btw the text is really small i have no idea why but its a count down

[remote shuttle]

Its a countdown till the raid gives a % buff to beating it; its in all raids

[pulsar minnow]

gotcha

[upper pasture]

Yeah raid buff countdown

[fathom fulcrum]

chat... is this real

gotta be faked screenshots, surely

[deep pawn]

Why?

[fathom fulcrum]

i dunno... KAL'DOREI

Aethas SUNSTRIDER

[rain cave]

What are you on about

[fathom fulcrum]

there are no "Kal'dorei" or "Aethas Sunstrider"

[deep pawn]

Eh? Kal'dorei are the Night Elf.

[fathom fulcrum]

no

Kal'dorei are nothing

they dont exist

that would be KALDOREI

[deep pawn]

I think the apostrophe fits just fine given all other elf subrace names

[fathom fulcrum]

no it doesnt

its not what they are called

[deep pawn]

And I thought it's been known for a while that Aethas is a minor member of the Sunstrider family, but not the royal line.

[fathom fulcrum]

there is no Sunstrider

its not his name

[deep pawn]

Aethas name is a typo then. It happens in quests that don't get beta tested. Regarding the Night Elves, it feels pedantic to be that upset at it given the convention we have from Eastern Kingdoms elves where dorei means elves and prefix for blood, high, and exiled/void. Feel free to bug report it and I'm sure they'll get fixed fast enough

Both feel like relatively innocent errors

[fathom fulcrum]

i am not american

[deep pawn]

You can still bug report?

[fathom fulcrum]

innocent error and reading after yourself would have fixed all that 💔

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't shed a single tear if they started spelling it Kal'dorei since the implication has always been they're the people of Kalimdor.

[fathom fulcrum]

I dont see a reason why they should

[uncut vault]

it would be spelled Kal'imdor then :P

[deep pawn]

TIL it's Shal'amar

[glass flicker]

It was Kalidar at first, because of Warhammer. They changed it to Kalimdor to keep the original essence of the name but still differ.

Kind of like Hironar and Haranir.

Something I'm still pissed about, by the way.

Regardless, Aethas' name should indeed be Sunreaver there, regardless of his bloodline. You don't see anyone calling Anduin by Tiffin's maiden name, do you?

[deep pawn]

Wait until you learn about C'thun and Odyn haha. Regardless yeah, typos happen on untested quest lines. Happens all the time.

[glass flicker]

One name takes precedence, and it's usually the one of the more important person.

Kael'thas kinda betrayed his people. Why would his name be important?

[deep pawn]

Blame the Blood Elves having so many Sunverber names

[glass flicker]

"But Anastarion though"
Not the last of his bloodline.

[glass flicker]

Yeah, that's fair.

I've seen Sunstrider, Sunreaver, Sunwrath, Sunfury, Sunbreaker, and if I named them all, we'd be here all day. Or night.

Whatever time it is.

[deep pawn]

The Silvermoon skybox can't decide either

I have the Darkwell beam but Silvermoon was golden earlier

Plus the raid quest resetting

[glass flicker]

I say it's the bean counters' fault.

Always rushing devs. "Deadlines must be met!" they say, sniffing their thirteenth ton of cash this eve.

No competent developer would screw up this badly. What, did they hire YandereDev to do their coding?

Let's be serious, it's most likely due to time constraints, wage deficiencies, and deadlines.

[deep pawn]

Even with longer PTRs typos made it live

[glass flicker]

That's also true.

Typos aren't the end of the world, shipping with them as canon fact is.

[deep pawn]

Hell Warcraft isn't even the original prefix'suffix convention for elves

[glass flicker]

Personally, I like how Elder Scrolls goes about it. Pretty much every race has "mer" as its suffix.

Bosmer, Orsimer, Dwemer, etc.

Well, every "elven" race.

[deep pawn]

It either comes from DnD or Tolkien

EQ has Koada'dal, Fier'dal and Tier'dal

[glass flicker]

Tolkien copyrighted Hobbits because D&D wanted them.

So, his work predates the tabletop.

[deep pawn]

Everyone knows what Halflings are though lol

[glass flicker]

(Sidenote, he also wanted to copyright Elves.)

[rain cave]

Seems unlikely he’d have gotten a strong holds on anything there

Since elves are folk lore not lotr inventions

Even if his iteration was specifically different from how those were portrayed

[jade basalt]

In WoW it's -dorei

[deep pawn]

EQ it's 'dal

[royal sigil]

What does that make thori’dal?

[deep pawn]

lol

I honestly don't know what dal usually means in Thalassian

[rain cave]

purely speculation but could be related to dalaran?

as in dalaran is the human bastardisation of a word related to magic they overheard from elves

Anar here being the "by" and obv dracon being dragon, leaves me to think that dal could have a vague "breath" meaning, but in wsider terms something like an expulsion, a production

Aran also apparently means goodbye? or farewell?

so you could maybe say that dalaran is basically "goodbye to expulsion" which could translate into some kind of unifying message since it was a place where humans and elves came together

thori'dal could then be something like breath of the stars?

or maybe it literally is stars fury just in thalassian, and dragons breath is more like wrath of dragons since in the context of dragons, breathe has a much different meaning compared to anything else

[fathom fulcrum]

Why can the horde transmog the silver covenant tabard 💔

can they even transmog the old one?

[deep pawn]

Do you mean the Silversun Compact one?

[fathom fulcrum]

what

no I mean the silver covenant one

there is no such thing as Silversun compact

also its Sunsilver ☝️ 🤓

[rain cave]

why can alliance transmog the silvermoon court tabard?

or the twilight blade tabard

[fathom fulcrum]

trophy

[rain cave]

same logic applies to your case then

[fathom fulcrum]

nope

they are best "friends" now

[rain cave]

same with silvermoon court

[fathom fulcrum]

what

[rain cave]

alliance can increase renown with silvermoon and get the blood elf tabard

[fathom fulcrum]

and they should not

[rain cave]

nah

[fathom fulcrum]

😏

[rain cave]

I support the erosion of the faction barrier hot take

[fathom fulcrum]

lets add horde npcs to Stormwind

[glass fulcrum]

ok

[fathom fulcrum]

also there are functionally no factions since Shadowlands

[rain cave]

yeah it's nice

[deep pawn]

Quest and tabard say otherwise

[fathom fulcrum]

the building says otherwise 💔

[deep pawn]

I'd more likely to believe Aethas and Vereesa can't agree on the order, so I'm gonna take the the version with more examples

[fathom fulcrum]

Well there is a solution for that

[austere gazelle]

anyway Silvermoon will never return to a full horde pledged capital anymore

Since the Ren'dorei ( alliance ) have now a home in Silvermoon and the ex Silver Covenant too

And I think all the capitals will have the same treatment as time go by , leaving only Stormwind and Orgrimmar as true faction capitals

[crude sigil]

Thunderbluff ? Ironforge ? Rip 🙁

[fathom fulcrum]

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is that so

[austere gazelle]

that's juste a side of the city, this quarter is not the whole of silvermoon.
there is an " horde " side, but the city will never return whole to the horde, its settled, and it wont move

[fathom fulcrum]

I think there is a word for it

💀

[deep pawn]

So a 5.5 week PTR is short but they got a deadline chop chop

[dense plover]

well some of the content was cut from alpha/beta

like the diving stuff

so - not exactly rushed

and the game probably will benefit from more endgame variety

[upper pasture]

They probably just didn’t want to overload people with endgame activities all at once so they split them up a bit

[deep pawn]

There's always stuff cut from beta but it's still a short ptr than normal.

[upper pasture]

i wonder since we are getting the prop hunt style game that means whatever that duskwood PvE event was was likely scrapped

[dense plover]

doesnt seem related

and there were new haunted assets in 12.0.5

its something coming later

[upper pasture]

yeah but the duskwood event was supposed to be the next event like a year ago

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper pasture]

so it was either pushed back or scrapped

[dense plover]

pushed back is my guess

[uncut vault]

they teased it again with the update video in January, it's shifted locations to Sagehold in Stormsong Valley

[upper pasture]

oh that's good, i vaguely remember seeing this but i did not clock that it was supposed to be the same event

[dense plover]

tbf, they were using the boralus-style assets already so this makes more sense

[deep pawn]

It has to be amongus cause if they make it Vampire Survivors it's way too late

[dense plover]

why not a murder mystery?

like knives out?

or could be ghost busting

[upper pasture]

i think alot of people think it's gonna be "amongus" style gameplay but it's supposed to be PvE so who knows

[deep pawn]

original datamining suggested a vampire survivors mode

but I think that would flop so damn hard

[upper pasture]

if it is more of VS type gameplay i wonder if abundance was a test run of orb dropping mechanics

eh, i'd play VS style more than amongus tbh

[deep pawn]

VS would be incredibly boring since it'd be just torghast again

[upper pasture]

to each their own, amongus would be boring and wouldn't fit the "pve" gamestyle they claimed it would be, VS would.

i'd say tho abundance is very VS-lite just no real power ups, it would be a little odd to have the same style of gameplay added so close together

AND torghast uncapped was/would be incredibly fun. what made torghast bad was the fact that there was a limit and that you HAD to do it each week to get your legendaries

[deep pawn]

Amongus would at least be social and streamable.

[ember blaze]

With the Game’s limitations i wouldnt get too excited either way

Like the voidstorm defense event

Kinda lame

Theyre more cosmetic than anything and gameplay loop is the same as other stuff

[upper pasture]

Idk, plunderstorm was very basic and super fun

[dense plover]

idk - theyve done solo content like that before and as long as it makes you OP af, it would probably be a blast

[dense plover]

streamable =/= popular

most players arent streaming

[deep pawn]

I personally find that type of repetitive and OP nature to have a lifespan of a reset or two. People weren't running horrific visions for fun

whereas a more social game mode has legs as seen by housing

[dense plover]

horrific visions are kind of a slog and in what world do you get OP running them?

[deep pawn]

Did you miss all the buffs you got inside it? The potions?

[dense plover]

thats not OP

its able to push the content

[deep pawn]

It was only the randomness of the sanity drain that had any challenge in it at all.

[austere gazelle]

Imagine the lag.

game can't handle swarm of mobs

[austere gazelle]

they should do the future plunderstorm somehwere else than Arathi or it'll become boring ( with new rewards too )

[upper pasture]

they refreshed the rewards the second time it came back, and only if they can make another large space work. the reason arathi highlands worked so well was it has a pretty diverse locations for mobs and areas

[rain cave]

I mean, it can handle a city full of players and dense npcs

If they did do a vs mode I doubt it would be as dense as actual vs

Also you can optimise it by doing funky batching

Main reason there’s a lot of lag is because every player, npc, pet, spell, has unique and sometimes multiple materials

Which adds a lot of draw calls

[crude sigil]

LUA and monothread coding. Many limitations. If you want to change that, you need a new game.

[rain cave]

There’s potential workarounds.

Either by designing it with less swarm in mind, doing it 2d, or whatever

Personally I think that if you can have a raid full of fire mages using living bomb on skorpyron and the game doesn’t crash then I think they can handle a vampire survivors mode

One of the bigger bottle necks is having enemies with bones/ animations

So they could potentially make the enemies static at certain distances or entirely, there are certain ways that could work

For example, with the haunted house kultiran loading screen, it could be haunted furniture coming at you. While you explore the house looking for stuff

Alternatively, ghosts, statues, whicker enemies can work with that as well

[royal sigil]

Wait, is there really a new 4th rdf spec coming? Forum poster, and has racial buff from darkspear and zandalari trolls?

[dense plover]

rdf?

half of what you said doesnt even make sense

[novel zodiac]

anyone tried to lvl alts with the void assaults?

[sour breach]

I want them to bring back the titles from the first iteration too - I'll never forgive myself for not getting 'Swashbuckler" title. But I wasn't into Pirates then, now I am. fml.

[ember blaze]

damn it's over for the titans

can't wait to loot them

[pulsar minnow]

oh i never noticed that last line

the "Azeroth being held in a titan prison dimension" theory gains more evidence 😄

[rain cave]

I think it graduated from being just a theory a while ago

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah

It’s just MORE evidence is all

I fully believe they’re going to recontextualize the Well of Eternity’s creation from just a mistake when killing Yogg-Saron -> yogg-saron had to be pulled out to reach Azeroth’s world soul - which actually caused the well of eternity

[dense plover]

thats not yogg saron

it was yshaarj

[pulsar minnow]

yeah mb

misspoke

[dense plover]

also, there is no evidence she was RIPPED out of there like with the well

i think this is more of where her spirit was

her physical body is the entire planet

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah its a worldsoul - thats the thing thats missing

She's missing from the cradle, which is also in a weird crossover between dimensions

But she's also missing in a sense that she's not in either realm

The titans are the only crew we know about that make pocket dimensions constantly and thow shit in there for safe keeping

and now we're getting the implication that the Shadowlands are also a titan pocket realm or something of that status as well

[deep pawn]

I think the pain and despair that remains is pretty damn clear

The Titans are absolutely the type to not care about temporary feelings as they order you

[dense plover]

uh wut - pretty sure she is still on azeroth not in some pocket dimension

what would be the purpose of all of the machinery on azeroth? Why would the song and her voice and her magic still be present

[dense plover]

im not saying she wasnt removed from there

im saying there is no visible damage - its not tied to the well of eternity

[deep pawn]

The rift of aln is literally described as a scar

[dense plover]

yes but it isnt a bleeding wound

[deep pawn]

She was traumatically removed from the cradle and those wounds still exist.

[dense plover]

reminder the titans had to use a bunch of machinery to cap the wound

if the well of eternity was caused by removing her from harandar, where is the titan machinery?

[deep pawn]

.... You're being deliberately obtuse at this point and I don't know why I bother. Sorry it's bleeding memories and dried blood instead of flowing rivers.

Unless you're conflating two different things here

[dense plover]

i wasnt talking to you originally

i was responding to the thing about azeroth being removed from harandar being the thing that caused the well of eternity, and not the removal of yshaarj

[deep pawn]

That is not what was said lol

[dense plover]

even though yshaarj was definitely yanked out, b/c otherwise wtf are the sha

YES IT IS

literally what was said

that i am disagreeing with

[deep pawn]

Reread. "Y'shaarj had to be pulled out to reach her"

[pulsar minnow]

To maintain the prison- the dimension - idk we can be creative lol. But most likely to pump her body full of arcane

[deep pawn]

Tiridan never said removing the old god didn't create the well, but the reason why they did could be different

[dense plover]

this is too complicated dude - you are asking for too much. Reminder that people dont read quest text and hate arator as a result of not being literate - this is too much

you cant expect the average illiterate that plays wow to understand what you are suggesting Tiridan

[pulsar minnow]

this is not that complicated lol

[dense plover]

i wish that wasnt the case

[pulsar minnow]

we know for a fact she's not in Harandar which is within azeroth and the emerald dream

we've already passed the realm of confusing dimensional crap

hell we have voidstorm which is on another planet but also the void at the same time

[dense plover]

btw, some of the things are true - "wait isnt that a retcon?" - well its not a retcon because actually the titans lied - "but then why did a bunch of the stuff in pandaria not written by the titans agree with it" - well that was written by titan sympathizers...

this kind of shit would just keep going

[dense plover]

its not that complicated, its a planet pulled into the void, like how outland was pulled into the twisting nether

[pulsar minnow]

so whats complicated about azeroth's world soul being plucked out of the cradle and placed into a titan prison plane?

[dense plover]

the complicated part is the extra "this is what actually led to the well of eternity" and ignores all of the titan machinery, like the heart of azeroth stuff during BfA

also the song and her active magic - if she was in a pocket dimension, how would any of that work?

she literally helped grow a world tree in dragonflight

[deep pawn]

Same reason Harandar and the surface are connected?

[dense plover]

thats not residual magic

[dense plover]

why would they leave that? why not pack her away?

[deep pawn]

Any prison was likely weakened during the Sundering

[dense plover]

im NOT saying she isnt locked up

im saying she isnt in some pocket dimension, because if she was, why would they leave her connected? isnt that a weakness that could be exploited?

[deep pawn]

Or like how G'huun and Yogg-saron both could interact as their prisons got weakened

[dense plover]

if she can send stuff out, stuff can also go in

[dense plover]

neither of those are in a pocket dimension

[deep pawn]

We know walls are flimsy

Fyrakk literally ported part of the Firelands into the dream

[dense plover]

'she was in a pocket dimension' would be beyond shitty writing

it also would not be what chris metzen would write

[deep pawn]

A pocket dimension at the core is probably more of a stretch but she is in some sort of prison based on the TLT logo

[dense plover]

i agree that she is imprisoned

[deep pawn]

Harandar is something they had to be all handwavey about

[dense plover]

mainly because its leftover from TWW

[deep pawn]

No, because it makes little sense without "magic" that all roots reach for Harandar

[dense plover]

i mean - sure, but also world trees are huge

and are definitely magic

theyre not just big trees

[pulsar minnow]

But it doesnt. We already know the purpsoe of the machinery - "At the titans' command, we keepers began the Acclimation. Each installation, all linked to the Manifold, produced vast numbers of titanforged workers. We fired the Great Forges, to fuel the Acclimation and empower the Manifold to heal the ravaged world."

[deep pawn]

Haranir literally say all roots reach down, including stuff like mother trees

[pulsar minnow]

and again im agreeing with you - i think azeroth is her body. her soul is what im saying was taken

and again we're ignoring the fact that as we've gone deeper into azeroth we've literally crossed into another dimension - azeroth doesn't make a lot of sense underground as it is

[deep pawn]

Like the Lightbloom bled out from Harandar into Eversong despite Eversong being pretty far away from Shaladrassil

[dense plover]

i believe thats the other way around isnt it?

lightbloom was from the well

when they empowered the well, the lightbloom became aggressive

[deep pawn]

The quests literally say it's Harandar attacking and empowering the blooms. So to my eyes it's Harandar coming up.

[pulsar minnow]

The reason why I am suggesting the dimensional theory over her just being in a prison at the center of the earth is that it answers some plotholes, First- why would Xal destroy the coreway if she wanted to get there, and second - if she's deep underground she's still at risk of old god corruption, even if they are imprisoned. (we saw what happened to Neltharion)

and then lastly would help lead into Shadowlands being a realm constructed/altered by the Titans

[dense plover]

where does it say this?

[dense plover]

destroy the coreway so we cant get there

[pulsar minnow]

also im not suggesting this plane being a whole continent literally just a titan-themed zone

As in, the worldcore is the plane she's in

[deep pawn]

Orwenya laments about how people from Harandar could attack and risk the surface this way

[upper pasture]

pretty sure the sunwell caused the lightbloom no?

and i'm almost certain she can't truly be removed from the world, because the world soul needs to be inside the planet to grow because...why else would the titans care about azeroth (the planet) after removing her from it?

[subtle oar]

No, it's quite literally stated it's being spread into Harandar through our questing

[subtle oar]

Yep

[pulsar minnow]

well a prison realm wouldn't exactly remove her from azeroth

The elemental lords are in the elemental plane but they still influence azeroth heavily

also it's kinda just a repeated element with the Titanforged in general. The Elemental Plane, Skyhold, Helheim, Emerald Dream (now under contention since Amirdrassil), Seat of the Pantheon and potentially the Shadowlands

[dense plover]

not really no - not until the cataclysm lets them

thats why they were locked away

[pulsar minnow]

We just had Dragonflight

an expansion about the elements reawakening on the Dragon Isles in response to Azeroth

[dense plover]

POST CATACLYSM

can you read?

the elemental planes broke after cataclysm

thats the reason all the zones changed

[pulsar minnow]

thats not the reason the zones changed lol. its literally stated in the opening cinematic of the expansion to be because of Azeroth’s reawakening. Elemental Spirits are literally the worlds energy given physical form.

that had nothing to do with the cataclysm

and please stop with the hostility dude there's no need for it

Also- back to the point Helya and Odyn are also great examples of beings, despite being bound to a prison realm, who were able to influence events outside their prisons, and they're far weaker than Azeroth ever has been

[remote shuttle]

Orweyna says: To think that Eversong's Light would wreak such havoc in Harandar.

Lightwarden Ruia says: Yield, surface-dwellers! Your Light returns to wash over you!

**Ruia's Musings; Part 1, 2 & 3. **
[...] Where did this strange light come from? What is it doing? Who sent this?[...]

[...] It would be the surface dwellers who would taint the sanctity of Harandar with their curses.
Their light spreads across the land like an infection blooming across our pristine fields, inciting the afflicted rutaani to madness. It must be stopped before it goes any further... and before the other elders hear that it happened on my watch. [...]

The simpletons have given us all the power I need. With the Lightbloom returned to their lands, they can be pruned to a manageable size.

A simple timeline;

• TBC's Sunwell infuses nature with Light; creating small pockets of Lightbloom
• During this war, the Sunwell goes attack mode - Riling aggressive nature within the Light.
• Lightbloom spreads to Harandar, infecting Rutaani
• Rutaani travel to the surface, acting as spreaders of the Lightbloom, as well as it seemingly doing so itself?
• Heroes travel to Harandar to find where the Lightbloom Rutaani come from, finding Shaladrassil's roots overrun; but a viable solution on its spread.
• Ruia is infected with Lightbloom/The Light's agency, spreading the Lightbloom as its Rootwarden - A Lightwarden.

After that is dealt with, it is has seemingly become a cold-case, considered managable? The Outcome of the Voidspire and March raids would double down on removing formerly stated agency and aggression.

[upper pasture]

It’s becomes unmanageable when we super charge the sunwell in our defense of it. When we do that it super charges it and causes it to surge to greater strength than before

[remote shuttle]

Yup, thats partly correct - which is what I said in bullet point two!

[dense plover]

https://magazine.artstation.com/2026/04/blizzard-entertainment-world-of-warcraft-midnight/

pretty sure ive done all the dungeons but i dont recognize this room

[crude sigil]

Maybe a concept for this boss ?
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=234649/zaen-bladesorrow

not exactly the same, but many inspiration

[dense plover]

that isnt concept art though

thats a finished room

this is a thing they actually built

[crude sigil]

something build, yes, but can be a concept too

[dense plover]

oh wait

that IS his room ok

i guess i wasnt paying much attention

[crude sigil]

Yes, it's his room haha

[dense plover]

found a video of someone running the dungeon to check lol

idk how i didnt notice all the details - i guess because the higher levels are usually above where you point your camera

bard confirmed (/s obviously - this is literally the horde housing npc guy)

[dreamy dove]

I’d say 1/2 by deathwing and twilight hammer, 1/2 by the elemental lords
Also (if i’m correct) weren’t the elemental lords freed cuz deathwing reawakening almost shattered the world pillar? 🤔

[opaque pewter]

These artblast entries are always so great

[ember blaze]

this is nice

what would they even use this for? 🤔

[upper pasture]

titan reforged server

[ember blaze]

did they actually

[upper pasture]

probably?

[ember blaze]

oh youre just guessing lol

isnt that server a classic server

in china

[upper pasture]

pretty sure that mop style totem thing was something they showed off as a reward for something a few weeks ago

[deep pawn]

Still stupid they're getting so many exclusives

[upper pasture]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/china-celebrates-lunar-new-year-with-another-mystery-box-of-exclusive-prizes-380224

further back than i thought but it was shown off as a toy

[worn crown]

I really hope Tul'amar, Thrice-Exiled shows up again in WoW (be it in Midnight or in another xpac

A fascinating character, even more so after completing her side quest and speaking with her in Howling Ridge.

[glass flicker]

Well, since we got a Quel'Thalas remaster, I don't see why we can't get a remake of the Myst Isles in a later patch where she could show up.

[deep pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYzgM3vk5Eo

patch trailer

new character VA

[upper pasture]

wonder why they didn't show off the diving thing

[deep pawn]

who knows

[ember blaze]

radiant song bard is gonna have a paint hero spec, thoughts? 🤔

[little hound]

More bard copium, sheesh.

[novel zodiac]

Meaby the class wont be bard, they can call it interpreter and have differents specs, like bard, painter and something else

Bard healer, painter dps and dancer tank

[ember blaze]

speaker 🎤

[deep pawn]

We'll probably learn in September

Selfishly I want bard over Artificer

Or if it is Artificer it has a bard spec at least

[upper pasture]

something something shadowhunter something something

realistically i don't ever expect shadowhunter cause it's too similar to what we have already so that dream is too far gone

[zealous sedge]

It won’t happen in TLT but a witch doctor type class could be cool. Idk if it’s too close to Druid/ warlock though

[novel zodiac]

What are the chances we get 2 classes

👀

[upper pasture]

slim

[zealous sedge]

Not 0 but yeah very slim

I mean even a new class isn’t a 100%

[glass flicker]

Something something specs and animations over new classes something something.

Still waiting on Prot Warriors to be able to wield a 2H weapon with a shield to show their machismo over Prot Paladins.

Also because of hoplites.

[zealous sedge]

On another note I’m fairly positive TLT is gonna have a “borrowed” power system that arcs over the whole expansion.

I think we are due

[glass flicker]

Path of the Titans
Path of the Dragons
Path of the Void
Path of Azerite, incoming.

[zealous sedge]

I just hope it’s not a weapon or trinket slot type thing

[glass flicker]

I'm guessing it'll be more like the Loa Altar in ZA.

[zealous sedge]

I think something focusing on the cosmic forces would be cool, yeah.

[glass flicker]

While at it, I am once again going to complain about Outlaw Rogue animations.

Same animation, different visual effects, four abilities.

Do better.

[deep pawn]

I mean TLT would match the same expansion gap between DH and Evoker

I'm still expecting class in TLT and a bunch of specs in 14.0 along with a level squish and systems reset

Adding 3-4 specs would be a lot easier when they don't have to worry about anything but base talents like in DF

[glass flicker]

And please, stop it with the composite animations. Neither Colossus Smash or Killing Spree looks good with a critical eye. Just make animations from scratch.

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't be totally shocked at new artifact weapons for TLT

[zealous sedge]

Yes it makes the most sense TLT is the capstone it would be weird to have any resets to systems like talents

[glass flicker]

They already did Killing Spree justice by basically making it Death Blossom. Commit to it. Make it actually Death Blossom.

[deep pawn]

We'll be level 100 in TLT and it finishes the saga and Titan era so it'd be perfect to squish us to 50 after

[glass flicker]

Anyway, what were we talking about? New abilities and such?

Let me give you an idea. Add ultimate abilities that need a certain DPS, HPS, or whatever else to be used.

Imagine pressing your burst CDs to go to town and that ability unlocks.

Tie them to the aforementioned Path of the Titans system. Make them function like Essences in BfA, but tailored to both spec major CDs and choice.

For example: Azerite Handcannons: Killing Spree now deals Radiant damage and doubles its cast when specced into Azerite.

Change the model of the guns used to the gun Ashvane used in BfA, done.

How about Path of Dragons? We all like dragon magic. Let's take Arcane Mage in this instance. Using Evocation now causes drakes to fly in a pentagram pattern, breathing down and damaging everything with AoE of their distinct damage type.

The possibilities of this system are endless, as long as they're not boring percentage increases. Get on it, Blizzard.

[upper pasture]

Blizzard could just give us back the relic slot

[novel zodiac]

so, now that .5 comes out tomorrow, when can we expect the .7 announce?

[pulsar minnow]

Probably next week earliest

[glass flicker]

A relic to serve as some sort of Limit Break mechanic? I'm down.

[rain cave]

Azerite artifact weapons that take inspiration from essences + the legion remix artifact maybe?

I’d also love to see them do a legendary weapon that swaps between weapon types

Not the sort of design WoW does but it would be cool to swap weapons mid fight like in guild wars even if the benefits aren’t crazy high

But theoretically they could do something where your “cooldown” swaps it to an alternate form with different upgrades. More focused on burst damage while the default form has more utility in it

Or cdr , resources

[austere gazelle]

something like a Dreamweaver. Using the Alndust / Azerite power to conjure creature and manifestation and stuff

[deep pawn]

I'd expect Thursday or Friday next week for the ptr since they average about 6 weeks on the ptr.

[deep pawn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GejXfWXBgAU?si=AkCEOelcVSz2l_Zm

[subtle oar]

Happened in WoD and it wasn't popular

[glass flicker]

Because you had to do a questline that would take farming all the three raids.

[rain cave]

I thought the legendary ring was great

[subtle oar]

People hated it for its function moreso

[glass flicker]

I told you what I hated it for.

[rain cave]

it's news to me that people disliked the ring at all 😭

I thought that thing was beloved

[glass flicker]

I only disliked the farming. The ring was alright.

[rain cave]

who doesn't like another big burst window

to pop on top of lust

arcane mages in HFC were eating good

[rain cave]

the apexis crystals were the easiest bit weren't they

I don't remember it being particularly hard to get

[glass flicker]

They were. Kind of like the Nethershards quest in Broken Shore.

Easy, but miserable if you were low on them already.

[rain cave]

I just did some farming in that one area of tanaan

[glass flicker]

Regardless, I didn't like this questline.

You did so much farming for a few months of player power, and up to level 110.

It was still decent into Legion.

Khadgar just loves to send us farming for things, then it turns out he didn't need that many.

I remember people spamming /slap and /spit on him.

[subtle oar]

Because it affected everyone at the same time, and the majority of the time, it was a single player in your group popping it in tandem with THEIR burst Because they wanted the best dps, despite the fact it needed to be saved for specific moments and everyone else was wasted

[rain cave]

I guess, but I'm more of a glass half full player

so I'd just be like

"oh sick we're doing rings"

wonder if they could add something like it to a new dps support spec like aug

if the radiant song bard thing is true it could be funny to mark somebody as a thraegar

make them all diamondy and they get a big buff

[little hound]

Ngl I miss proper legendary questlines.

WoD was boring, but the legendary questline was very solid.

[glass flicker]

Fangs of the Father unironically feels like a better farm.

Despite the gold cost.

[subtle oar]

Same.

[deep pawn]

😄 I love leaks and hate them at the same time.

I'd actually quit if they brough back two legacy dungeons this fast.

Like AD and Brackenhide were both last expansion no?

[upper pasture]

no?

s1 was GB/mist/NW/siege

s2 motherload/ToP/workshop

s3 was taza/ HoA

last time brackenhide was part of the M+ was in DF

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda like this ngl

Would be sick if the entire island of Atal Utek was Kith’ix if they choose to go that route

Or if they want to tie it back into that massive snake in Zul’drak if they wanna actually make it more than just “hey this looks cool”

[deep pawn]

Regardless AD has already been a legacy

We don't need to be recycling legacies already.

[upper pasture]

So? They said it is more about what feels right in the dungeon and if they need a dungeon that fits a certain slot for gameplay why couldn’t they readd another legacy dungeon again?

[ionic terrace]

cute

[deep pawn]

I'll say that AD was already not a fun dungeon to me in BfA nor as a legacy and I do not need it back a third time in my playing experience lol.

[upper pasture]

Eh, the only boss I don’t care for in that dungeon is the last one, the rest of it is pretty decent

[zealous sedge]

.7 ptr this week?

[deep pawn]

should be

Thursday or Friday

I'm disappointed Ybarra is throwing his 2 cents back into the discourse

Like dude, you cared more about selling raid boosts than anything else.

[zealous sedge]

I just looked into what you are talking about and yeah, that’s kinda ridiculous to make a comment like that

[deep pawn]

keep running your gambling site that's leading to societal decay lol.

[upper pasture]

As if you could point to a single thing and blame that for societal collapse

[glass flicker]

Points at capitalism.

[upper pasture]

yes, but a single person doesn't run capitalism

[glass flicker]

You said, and I quote, "a thing."

[upper pasture]

you could just as easily say "humankind" ruined society at that point

[glass flicker]

Well, didn't they?

[zealous sedge]

Symptoms of societal decay, not causes

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-tea-sipping-gif-24277205

[glass flicker]

Humans both invented society as the concept we follow and understand, yet they're dismantling it through their rules of what's right and what's wrong. You know, to control people.

But, this isn't a political chat. How about them spoilers?

[deep pawn]

Prize Picks is part of it, sorry haha. I just can't take him serious when he's running that

[upper pasture]

society is adopted by far more than just humans, to say we "invented" the concept is misleading

[glass flicker]

Like I said, as a concept we follow and understand. We didn't "invent" the genetic need to huddle together.

It has always been "apes together strong."

[upper pasture]

but regardless, you are correct, this isn't the place for it.

[upper pasture]

tbf, it's not like he invented gambling, hell he didn't even start that business.

[deep pawn]

I'm just worried about opportunists using this as "Everything with WoW is wrong"

[glass flicker]

Plenty with WoW is wrong. Though, aside from the bugs, I've been having a blast with the gameplay. With the story, not so much.

Take a break from those dang Windrunners, it's been a decade since Sylvanas stole the spotlight. DF was our only break.

Seriously, WoW might as well be an acronym for "Windrunners of Warcraft" at this point.

[deep pawn]

I don't think it needs a whole reset of systems yet

[glass flicker]

It doesn't. What I could definitely do less with, though, is resources.

Every new patch adds a resource that you need to farm, which won't carry over to the next shiny patch and items from it. Then it just becomes legacy bloat.

[zealous sedge]

The gameplay has been good but man, I just can’t get myself to play like I used to. I just feel burnt out. I only just finished the main campaign the other day. I haven’t even stepped into a raid. I think it’s more about me than the game itself but man I wish there was something about midnight that would suck me back in.

[glass flicker]

I think we just need more evergreen resources that carry over. Kind of like FFXIV Tomestones.

[deep pawn]

I don't think we need forever resources because that means you'd want to run old stuff if it was most efficient

[glass flicker]

While on the topic of resources and systems, I'd love if more reps were on a renown system, so that reputation is shared.

[glass flicker]

Easy fix. Just make it stop working if the old content you run gives no exp.

[deep pawn]

There's probably massive coding issues as to why pre BfA reps aren't warbound yet

[glass flicker]

And, I'll double down on this, if they aren't gonna make it so reps are shared, they could at least give us items that increase rep gains, like in MoP.

[deep pawn]

Poetics make sense cause they're only ever for gear and that's the only way to get the transmog and even tomestones are going away slightly.

Like they also already convert power currencies into other stuff

undercoins got turned into resonance for example

and will probably get turned into Marl for the s2 reset

[glass flicker]

Hey, at least they did away with the Flightstones/Valorstones system.

[deep pawn]

That's one of those tomestone currencies you said you want

[glass flicker]

Can confidently say that the stones system did nothing positive for gearing, that I'm glad they're gone, and that I hope they rot in the land of dropped ideas.

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

You see, what I meant was, a currency that was evergreen which you could use to buy raid tier gear every ten levels, in case you needed the power boost. The second to last and latest expansion would have no such items.

For a practical example, we're now in Midnight. This currency would allow us to buy Dragonflight raid gear.

[deep pawn]

there's no point cause that's not how WoW levelling works

[glass flicker]

Sure there is a point. Faster transmog, if anything.

[deep pawn]

it's already really damn fast with legacy loot

WoW has a system in place for that already without another dead currency

[glass flicker]

Unless one of the pieces you want is a BoE that never drops and you can't catalyst it.

That Tomb of Sargeras warrior belt has eluded me forever, until Remix.

[upper pasture]

catalysting has only been a thing for the past 3 expansions, and warband earning cosmetics that they can't use or having a warbound tier token sovles that problem

and the accountwide rep, it's a thing they are working on, they did SLs i'm sure sooner or later we will get BfA

and so on and so forth

[deep pawn]

I wonder if they'd actually have the guts to do skyelves after rootelves

[zealous sedge]

Plz no more elves

This is coming from a belf main

[upper pasture]

I mean, nightborne is pretty much sky elves

[zealous sedge]

Between Dracthyr and Pandaren those are the most unique in the game still. Unique as in no similar playable character models.

Does any race even use the Pandaren skeleton? Maybe Tuskarr? I’d love to play a Tuskarr.

A nerubian race could be cool too

[glass flicker]

Nope. Pandaren have an unique skeleton. Tuskarr do, too.

Boomkins also share a skeleton with ogres, fun fact.

[zealous sedge]

Oh I didn’t know that. Definitely missing an Ogre race which has been talked about for some time.

[deep pawn]

this is why people are wondering

[ember blaze]

i dont see why

not like all the new ethereal stuff led to a race

[pulsar minnow]

Artist who modeled the bow kinda poked fun at this btw

He posted the bow on his Instagram with the caption: “Generic Elven bow (most definitely not high elf) made for patch 12.0.5”

[deep pawn]

I mean sky elves as ancient wardens of Ula'tek would be hilarious

[pulsar minnow]

We get to the WorldCore and there’s just another mysterious elf offshoot deep underground protecting the place

New playable race: Higher Elves!

[deep pawn]

Stonelves

Or Thraelves.

[ember blaze]

i hope this doesnt happen lol

but with battle visage, consider dracthyr a new elf addition in midnight

[glass flicker]

In that case, you gotta count humans and Kul Tirans too.

They've got half-elf ear options.

[ember blaze]

i do

[zealous sedge]

Are there any hints of what 12.2 is gonna be? Are we thinking Arathi empire or we chase Xal down to wherever she went with Alleria?

Maybe Uldaz?

[ember blaze]

definitely that troll area

chasing xal feels like a final patch thing

[pulsar minnow]

World Core almost certainly

Umbric and Romath have dialogue after the raid talking about the void traveling through the Darkwell deep underground

and the Sunwell was founded atop a massive leyline cluster, which is just azeroth's veins so either way 12.2 looks to be underground and the only location we really know of right now would be the World Core

[zealous sedge]

It makes so much sense it is a massive leyline cluster

I hope the world core feels open then. I enjoy the underground stuff but sometimes it feels claustrophobic for me haha

[pulsar minnow]

I’m kinda hoping we a sort of high tech Moria down there

Like this kinda scale but with Titan aesthetics

[zealous sedge]

That would be dope. I want titan architecture that’s like pristine. Maybe even akin to forerunner from halo. I know it’s a bit scifi esque but could be cool

[deep pawn]

I do think there's a chance Xal pops up on the surface and we get the Scion's Temple

but that's only if they want to save the Worldcore for TLT

but I'm betting we're in space for the final TLT raid

[worn crown]

WoW certainly leans into sci-fi from time to time

I love it 💖

[little hound]

Zereth Mortis was abit TOO Much Sci-Fi, going from Bfa 😄

Alien Progenitor Domain.

[deep pawn]

I don't get why Blizzard at this point would make Horde Nethersent Draenei and Alliance Skyborne High Elves when faction is bascially pointless

unless they're adding Draenei DH there's no reason for a new Draenei allied race

[dense plover]

i dont know why you think this would happen

oh i missed part of the convo

this is about people seeing skyborne and making a conspiracy

dumb

they would add more customizations not new allied races

theyve literally said they need to increase customization

[glass flicker]

I mean, Broken would certainly be nice. Unless they just make the options customization.

Which I'm in favor of.

[dense plover]

if broken were going to happen, it wouldve been during legion

[glass flicker]

Make more customization options.

[glass flicker]

Who knows, we did get Man'ari later.

[dense plover]

thats a skin

[glass flicker]

Exactly.

[dense plover]

broken arent a skin

theyre a different model dude

they literally have fewer fingers and different posture and cant wear armor

its literally the opposite of the manari thing

[glass flicker]

Not anymore. Hatuun is a perfect example. It's just a different face model and mesh.

[dense plover]

no - thats just factually incorrect

[glass flicker]

You can make an excuse for the fingers.

Then again, we did get different Mechagnome hands.

[dense plover]

they still havent done taunka

[glass flicker]

Or Yaungol.

[dense plover]

and thats LITERALLY just a different head

yaungol arent part of the horde

taunka are

taunka joined the horde during the wrath questline

its their whole horde-side of the quest

[glass flicker]

They still use the Tauren model. It's not that hard to get either/or with customization because it already happened.

[dense plover]

if we go back to northrend and dont get taunka customization i will be very sad

b/c if it doesnt happen then - it will never happen

[glass flicker]

Yeah, based. I hope they'll add it.

While at it, Forsaken and Troll beards.

And give Kul Tirans more options. Their selection is just depressing.

[deep pawn]

It's people getting their hopes up cause of the decor pack being classified as Elven and fears that Atal'ulek is really small

[glass flicker]

Yeah, let's skip races this time around. We already got the Haranir this expansion. Just add them for customization.

[dense plover]

are they blind? its a normal patch zone

its sizable

[deep pawn]

People think it's small, and to be fair a lot of it is the mountain and it could be bigger when they add it for real

Broken Shore got changed a ton.

https://i.imgur.com/Hb6ZGLY.jpeg

I wonder what this is teasing

I don't think we've had glass hexagon buildings anywhere

[upper pasture]

Yes

Ope, yes to they are blind

[ember blaze]

ethereals? 🤔

[deep pawn]

nah, they use domes and energy fields

that's very glass

Draenei have used that type of stuff in the past though

[glass flicker]

Maybe they're teasing something that has to do with the Kobyss, since we've encountered them in Zul'Aman. An underwater dome city for them would make sense if that's where they hold prisoners and such.

Since they can't breathe underwater.

Kobyss can, people can't. That's what I mean.

[deep pawn]

Kobyss usually don't keep prisoners for long

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[deep pawn]

PTR this week!

the left picture is more unclear but it does look "windy"

[pulsar minnow]

Super unlikely but I wonder how it’d be received if they’d renamed/rebranded void elves to Skyborne and gave them more high elf customization with the reasoning being the Silversun Treaty

[deep pawn]

I don't think they'd remove stuff from players

There's Void Elf mains who love being a Void elf

They still haven't decided between Silversun Compact and Sunsilver Accord haha

[glass flicker]

So glad they've now got a Silvermoon with a Silversun as well.

[deep pawn]

The building is called Sunsilver Accord

I just don't think that picture could be concept art the K'aresh eco-domes given the green outsides

Sky Island Greenhouses would work

The Naga would also have no use for something like that

[upper pasture]

Eh, a compact is something that’s verbally agreed upon and an accord is like a literal document with signatures and a more formal thing.

[deep pawn]

the contract is the compact

the building is the accord

Whether they're meant to be different or what, who knows

I'm of the opinion the building name is the bug

[upper pasture]

The building has the document inside it no? The compact was formally put on paper there and signed, the building is named after the compact turned into an accord

Since it houses the document inside

[deep pawn]

There's just no reason to swap the words around, it was probably two possiblities and they went with one and the other is vestigial.

[upper pasture]

Other than to signify that the verbal agreement has become a literal piece of paper

[deep pawn]

Bug is the far more likely answer than two competing names unless they want to make a joke about them fighting whether sun or silver should come first

[upper pasture]

Compacts can become accords tho, it’s just signifying that the verbal agreement has become a literal document

[deep pawn]

you're reading too much into it

because again in that case they wouldn't SWAP THE WORDS

[upper pasture]

I believe you might be reading too much into it tho

[ember blaze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mkhMTALnrYRLnuoe5P

[deep pawn]

Silversun Compact was also the version they chose to voice too

[rain cave]

IMO it makes more sense to add more customisation options to all elves and humans as part of the elf unification

Rather than add another belf reskin that shares 90% of its aesthetic with them unless they play up parts of a culture that aren’t actually that prevalent

We see that nightborne are pretty prevalent in belf society, giving them mixed options as well as some of each others look as well as more half elf support could be nice

[glass flicker]

Thank you, I was literally screaming, shaking my fists at clouds for more of that.

[rain cave]

As well as tattoos, feathers for belf and velf

Etc

[glass flicker]

They did get that red and gold recolor of the heritage set.

[rain cave]

Would love to see a belf spell breaker set with nightborne colours

[glass flicker]

Based!

[rain cave]

Also, since they’re in the area. Let the night elves and nightborne discuss their nature stuff. The nightborne still have an ancient history with it, hence the arcandor

[glass flicker]

Honestly, I've kind of got a peeve with void elves.

Their heritage armor is purple and gold, their tabard is purple and gold, but they've been depicted wearing white and silver because Alleria wears it.

[rain cave]

Plus it looks like we’re getting Leylines as a potential plot point, something that the nightborne are linked to

[glass flicker]

It's like, pick one and stick with it.

[deep pawn]

The rage this would cause but I wanna see it

[tulip sun]

Skyborne?

[deep pawn]

12.0.5 ptr had these Skyborne decors including a Windwell that Blizzard apparently "requested" dataminers to not report on and then encrypted.

They were categorized as Elven decors

[subtle oar]

Why? We have the Sylvanas novel, and it very clearly says she found Liraths body

Hell, we SEE HIS GHOST in the Windrunner Spire dungeon

[glass flicker]

Yeah, Lirath is a no-go. We don't know much about the Windrunner parents, but I'd rather not go there at all. I'm tired of the acronym for WoW standing for "Windrunners of Warcraft."

Find someone else to tell stories about.

[subtle oar]

Nah, we know they're dead too

[glass flicker]

Oh!

Thank God.

[subtle oar]

Killed during the Horde Invasion of QT in the second war

[deep pawn]

It'd just enjoy the rage I said

[glass flicker]

Never have I been more glad to hear somebody's dead.

[subtle oar]

Well, you are gross for wanting that

Liraths death was pivotal to all 3 sisters and it broke something inside them

[deep pawn]

If I can't enjoy some schandenfruede from other people raging about fictional stories what is there in life lol.

[subtle oar]

Because he was their beloved little sun

[glass flicker]

At the risk of using the yucky word, I'm tired of Windrunner slop. Get an iota of creativity, WoW writing team. The world doesn't have to revolve around this single family.

[deep pawn]

and it's kinda quiet since we aren't gonna get massive story movement for a couple more months

[upper pasture]

Yeah, how dare you be creative about something I don’t like

[subtle oar]

No, its just a show of how you do not care for emotional impacts in stories and are more like Alex Afasiabi doing whatever the hell he thinks is cool, not giving a fuck if it makes sense or pisses everyone off

[glass flicker]

Except, it's not creative. Because they keep pushing the ante of stories we can already expect from the very description of characters.

And, oh God, we'll also have Vereesa's ugly children to contend with later.

[subtle oar]

I desperately want the Windrunner reunion

[glass flicker]

Why do they look like that?

Retches.

[upper pasture]

I’m just hopeful that the Vol’jin storyline doesn’t get forgotten about

[glass flicker]

Is he Vol'jin Windrunner?

If not, the writers don't care about him, apparently!

[glass flicker]

Maybe as an epilogue.

[upper pasture]

Maybe we will see

[glass flicker]

I don't want it to steal attention from other characters anymore.

Legion: Sylvanas becomes Warchief
BfA: the consequences of Sylvanas becoming Warchief
Shadowlands: the culmination of Sylvanas becoming Warchief
Dragonflight: a break, thank goodness
TWW: Alleria's turn
Midnight: Alleria's turn part 2, Arator Boogaloo.

[upper pasture]

Legion was far more than “Sylvanas becoming warchief”

[glass flicker]

Retire this family from the central plot already.

Legion was far more than that, yes, but Sylvanas becoming the Warchief was kind of a big thing at the start.

[deep pawn]

I mean Skyborne elves are a stretch regardless

Regardless I have had some detachment from the WoW story for a while because it's full of missed opportunities and craziness

It's hard to take it serious

[glass flicker]

I can't take it seriously with the Windrunners left, right, center, under the bed, under the table, in the void, and everywhere in between.

So, I ordered a drawing tablet. I'm gonna make my own WoW comic.

[remote shuttle]

Had to google what this skyborne randomness is; My god this is the stretchiest of stretches.

[ember blaze]

Why?

[deep pawn]

If it's story related well it's a spoiler.

[ember blaze]

An elf story in the elf story expac? 🙀

[deep pawn]

I mean Windelves from the Sky would be a hell of an butt pull

[remote shuttle]

They were pulled for another reason; not story.

[deep pawn]

what was the reason?

[glass flicker]

Gravity.

[remote shuttle]

Gonna presume enough people rang some internal alarms.

[glass flicker]

What are you talking about?

[deep pawn]

What makes you think it was Tauren coded? Their wells have never looked that way

[remote shuttle]

I'd say its a play on the Highmountain aesthetic.

[upper pasture]

I’m gonna assume if it’s part of a shop bundle, it’s not been added to the shop yet because a bad buggy patch followed with a shop set would look and feel twice as bad. So they likely just waiting a bit before adding the next shop bundle

[deep pawn]

Highmountain, even the Skyhorn don't really use blue.

[remote shuttle]

A non-specific; Theme usage.

[deep pawn]

We already have better than that

Besides their wording was currently existing playable stuff haha

[remote shuttle]

Then it must be sky elves haha

[deep pawn]

It's skeezy, but a new sub group wouldn't break their rules

I doubt it myself. It probably will just be a troll island and everyone's gonna call it the new Korthia and a waste of a patch

[remote shuttle]

Housing items tied to core fantasies of a player’s race or class, or that already exist in Azeroth, won’t be sold in the shop. Thematically important decor that players know and love will also not appear in the shop.
Was the element. So it would exactly fall into it if it was Tauren themed and someone called it out as tauren-design or themed, thus that.

But, its kinda good to know players didn't think it!

What was the other 'case in point' for Skyborne elves? The Decor Duel bow?

I don't even think that needs explaining.

[deep pawn]

High Elf players are just super desperate for Alliance elves with tattoos and no void racial

[remote shuttle]

I find the desperation for tattoos odd; given they seem exclusive to Alleria's WC2 ranger company in concept. Didn't know they all wanted to be Allerian rangers.
Not that I don't think it wouldn't be cool.

[rain cave]

The high elf lore is very disparate ands underrepresented because of blood elves and void elves

Before tbc, there was high elf lodges just sounds the map

Pure high elf ranger culture is very similar to nelf rangers

Much more nature connection, ties to the lands and forests

But it’s just been dominated by the paladins, mages, warlocks and demon hunters

And even the hunters have been cosmicified

But they can’t really add high elf as a race anymore unless they just revamp the entire character creation process

Which is something I personally predict for after tlt

(I’m expecting them to basically fold the similar races into eachother, so you pick a main race then a sub race. Rather than specifically void/blood elf on the menu)

Because then they can add more “subraces” without it having the expectation of being a full race every time

Easy wins with moknathal, half elf, high elf, Amani, wildhammer, broken Draenei, fel orc, etc

[deep pawn]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/midnight-revelations-ptr-development-notes/2300244

[pulsar minnow]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/IYPKGJNYHGKE1777422474096.png

Maybe I’m a sucker but honestly I’m kinda ready for some troll shenanigans now.

I also pray to all that is holy they fix up whatever the heck is going on with the Haranir’s contradictory history with the trolls and elves

[elfin eagle]

im really happy at this possible zul'jan direction ❤️

hope hes not just full villian

[deep pawn]

He's at least gonna be stupid

He believes Malacrass

[elfin eagle]

prolly

[dense plover]

very likely - or tricked - or mind-controlled

but i dont think we will kill him or his sister

very likely this is being laid out for eventual peace between the blood elves and the amani

not just a ceasefire

[deep pawn]

I don't think he's been tricked. Malacrass just is encouraging him to do what he wants to do anyways

Which is kill the elves

[ember blaze]

https://x.com/vampsob/status/2049920845456572447

⚔️ ꪜꪖꪗꪀꫀ ⚔️ (@vampsob)

Here’s the full set

X · Apr 30, 2026, 6:36 PM

[deep pawn]

eh?

That screams China to me

[deep pawn]

so the finale of the prologue isn't encrypted, Portergauge has posted it on twitter

[deep pawn]

THERE'S A DEATHWING VERSION?

lol

so that's two different versions now

[upper pasture]

Oh please let that be the blizzcon bonus

[deep pawn]

There's a regular black dragon version too

[upper pasture]

Do you have the link for whatever you were talking about that port posted? Prologue for what?

[deep pawn]

prologue to 12.1

it's on their twitter.

[upper pasture]

Do you have the link?

[deep pawn]

not at the moment

you can probably find it on the mmoc thread

[glass flicker]

Hopefully there's a version of those shorts without the tailcoat.

[worn prism]

looks like Heroic World Tier is coming in 12.0.,7.

[deep pawn]

only for the two small zones

[deep pawn]

Blizzard apparently inviting content creators out to Irvine for a few days

Focused mostly on classic players

I wonder if they announce classic plus early to distract from other issues

[upper pasture]

Or maybe whatever SoD 2.0 is

[deep pawn]

Nah, it seems almost certain whats next is Plus

[ember blaze]

Dual gunner class confirmed with that new mog

[austere gazelle]

So the new zones were not shown on the roadmap
So we can expect new zone for 12.1.7 ... Crossing fingers for revamped plaguelands and a 1 boss stratholme raid

[remote shuttle]

Val and Naigtal?

Technically they were; as Void Assault Escalation.

[dense plover]

no

theyre not full zones

and theyre not 'new'

theyre re-used

[austere gazelle]

whatever. additionnal zone* if you wish

[remote shuttle]

While not 'full zones' - Not entirely true; Some new world building has definitely gone into these.

[dense plover]

but theyre not from scratch

theyre reusing stuff from legion

which is fine

its not a major patch

[upper pasture]

I mean, they are reusing the names 100% but we don’t know how big the zones are gonna be yet

I’d suspect they will be bigger than the tiny zones we had in legion

[remote shuttle]

We got the data; and i'm a tester - so pretty informed on the matter on patch cycle and content attributes.

[upper pasture]

Oh have we seen the size of the zones?

[remote shuttle]

The old map was definitely used; but touched up more than, example - siren isle was.

I'd said Naigatal is unrecognisable - and both instead of being single area encounters; to now being an outdoor space that contains a world boss deeper within.

[deep pawn]

12.1 on the backend really fast

[novel zodiac]

im guessing they wont announce it until .7 comes out

like, reveal it*

[deep pawn]

Unless there's some sort of "okay we'll ptr longer to calm folks down"

And throw it up as soon as 12.0.7 is Release Candidate

[remote shuttle]

Internal builds are always moving. Usually means some locks happened on 0.7 build, and the next “active” internal test is 1.0

[ember blaze]

Ill take it

If it actually improves quality

[deep pawn]

funny build number haha

[deep pawn]

well you got 67 and 420

[lone mantle]

I could never understand the purpose of this bot. It keeps finding new builds while not even being an actual Blizzard employee. Yet somehow, I’m the one being criticized by random people on Reddit claiming that I stole the name “Algalon.” It feels like you can’t be passionate about anything, there will always be someone trying to cut your wings.

[noble mica]

lol 😂 Reddit

[lone mantle]

He called me desperate and pathetic because I apparently got two Midnight Collector’s Editions, and he’s supposedly a WoW partner, so it feels kind of like an anti-sales message, I guess.

[noble mica]

Man these people suffer everyday and they want to make everyone elses game miserable ..like it’s 2026 and they still harassing u it’s insane - i wouldn’t worry about them /ignore block act like they don’t exist ..u like the game all that matters

[remote shuttle]

Just say “Not the same account, just another Algalon fan.” The algalon bot and its creator are great though.

[lone mantle]

Perhaps you may be right.

I may very well be the European version of Algalon, observing the realms of Azeroth across EU servers.

[remote shuttle]

I mean, you’re a fan that just likes the character..

The bot is a very useful tool in the datamining circles and whatnot. Very appreciated.

[noble mica]

I kinda find it funny cuz this bot is posting wow builds similar like data printing in zereth mortis lol 😂

[upper pasture]

Hmmm very suspicious that Darin De Paul is returning to blizzcon, N’Zoth confirmed returning?

[dense plover]

darin de paul voices a million things

could be starcraft related

that rumor about a new SC game is probably more significant

[upper pasture]

I feel like we’ve been tiptoeing around old gods for awhile now. Of course there’s a thousand other things it could be

[deep pawn]

It's not really a rumor anymore but an open secret

The question is if it's an extraction shooter or a looter shooter

[upper pasture]

I really hope it isn’t an extraction shooter, and if it is it’s distinct enough to be able to survive.
We all know blizzard loves to copy other devs and do it better but I feel like there’s so many extraction shooters that just come out and do the same thing and it’s doomed to fail

[deep pawn]

I was expecting Stardestinycraft

[upper pasture]

I don’t think blizzard is silly enough to create a similar game, although I guess if it was an mmo like destiny it could be different enough to not leach too much players from Warcraft. I think that’s the real reason we never got “World of StarCraft”

[rain cave]

also need to remember that they're one of the primary xbox companies as well now, I know the xbox subsidiaries don't really interact with eachother but if they're going to do something "big" then I imagine microsoft would steer it away from cannibalising whatever else theyhave

they've already got avowed, CoD, doom, outer worlds, and even sea of thieves on bnet

personally I could see them retreading back into the MOBA genre

just not sure how elegantly they'd do it, would that mean HotS 2 or HotS 2.0? Or a new game entirely?

honestly I'd love if blizzard did a similar initiative to riot forge, and licensed their ip to some of the other companies at microsoft to do stuff with

black empire cultist simulator
horde roguelike game (e.g. megabonk, vampire surviors) with characters like broxxigar

could even genuinely get some kind of arc raiders extraction shooter thing but instead of robots it's zerg that you fight off as you drop onto an infested planet to recover research

ig that's more like helldivers but

could do factions, rebels vs empire vs protoss

[deep pawn]

I mean we know it's fps somehow based on hiring

[uncut vault]

all I know is that if we get a new starcraft game that we can't play protoss or zerg, I feel like it'd diminish the point of the setting lol

shooter can be fun but I'd hope its more in the vein of shooter mechanics rather than all terran-centric gunplay

[deep pawn]

who knows

if it's destiny they could do protoss and terran

[rain cave]

could be interesting if we get a combination of something like planetside 2, and helldivers 2?

instead of one player faction fighting 3 others

it's 3 player factions playing against EACHOTHER in a helldivers style live world

it's the sort of bold swing that I think would get peoples attention, since those three factions are VERY different in starcraft

so their playstyle would be very different

[pulsar minnow]

From what I understood the StarCraft shooter was meant to be battlefield-esque which is probably the only thing you really could do with it

[dense plover]

uh

pretty sure its supposed to be a singleplayer game

i dont know where you heard the battlefield thing

[pulsar minnow]

Look up Project Ares

obviously things change but thats the last i heard of it

[dense plover]

thats the old thing

but who knows

[deep pawn]

Every rumor I've heard has been multiplayer

If it was gonna be a Doom like story driven shooter there'd very different rumors

[dense plover]

didnt hear doom-like either

there are shooters besides battlefield and doom

i dont see any multiplayer game happening

SC isnt popular enough as a franchise

[pulsar minnow]

i mean starcraft 2's legacy has been its competitive multiplayer scene

[deep pawn]

My only exposure to Battlefield is its PvP stuff?

There's very few single player shooter games

The ones that exist are story driven and I haven't heard anything of this one being story driven

[ember blaze]

how funny will it be if classic+ gives alliance high elves directly?

[zealous sedge]

we think we get a classic+ announce this week?

[warm topaz]

if anything i think it'll be something like the Housing posts

[dense plover]

I still doubt anything before BlizzCon

[deep pawn]

Maybe, but they're doing their media stuff oddly early for that since Blizzcon is still 4 months away.

and if the Skyborne decor is related to C+, Blizzard usually only adds encrypted stuff the patch it'll be used.

[upper pasture]

I think we might see some more teasing but the full details at blizzcon

[deep pawn]

Depends on how early they want to release it

I'm still thinking they drop it as early as November.

[deep pawn]

boo, 1pm news is Siege of Org release date for MoP

[dense plover]

isnt blizzcon in september this year?

[upper pasture]

Yes Sept 12-13

[deep pawn]

yeah, but if they're gonna do testing on C+ before it launches September would be a bit late

[zealous sedge]

I could see classic+ dropping the day of BlizzCon

Might piss some off in the crowd tho

[deep pawn]

I think its either shortly after Blizzcon or paired with the anniversary

MoP will have been on SoO for 3-5 months at that point

[deep pawn]

If your thesis is SoO is old news and there is no future for the original classic line, they need something to fill that gap and not just a SoD redux for a year.

Esfand is talking about new races too much for it to not be this year

[upper pasture]

I’d bet it’s just gonna be “a first look” at blizzcon and a full release the following month or so sorta what we had for SoD

[deep pawn]

They wouldn't be doing creator events this early.

I think there'll be a first look and testing before Blizzcon

[upper pasture]

who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember blaze]

high elves

[tulip sun]

Who is Esfand

[glass flicker]

WoW streamer. OTK member. Kul Tiran player.

[deep pawn]

Yeah, he's just being the most loud but a bunch of streamers went.