beta-ptr-spoilers

[little hound]

I just didn't expect that amount of detail.

[dense plover]

i wish they would update his armor textures tho

theyre outstandingly low res compared to everything around him

[little hound]

I mean i feel like he was involved in Midnight just to die, either that or he'll be brought back when Denathrius decides to show himself again.

Mal'ganis and that other female Dreadlord from Sepulcher might also return.

[lavish raptor]

oh yeah the sword's just chillin somewhere

[lone mantle]

Yes, the most intriguing and unresolved aspect of the story: the sword.

[plain violet]

The quests were great to read!

[jade basalt]

In the zone storyline he seems 200% genuine and honestly, like a better version of Turalyon. I like how Lothraxion speaks about and actually uses his experience fighting on countless worlds, he knows how to defeat the Shadowguard ethereals because he has defeated ethereals on multiple worlds before, he mentions fighting the Legion, the Void, and so on. Things I wish Turalyon would do, unfortunately he is written like he hasn't fought cosmic battles for a thousand years and everyone knows better than him.

However, I do think Lothraxion is a card they could pull again in the future. He is very genuine in this storyline but I 100% expect that if they one day have Mal'Ganis and Denathrius etc. return, Lothraxion might be among them since he didn't die a permanent death, that means he can reform and return.

[austere gazelle]

I'm not sure since he seems to put his former kin in disdain.

So if he " reforms " he'll most end up locked and tortured by his kin for his betrayal to the Light. And I'm not even sure he will reform in the realm of death, he might even reform into the Light Realm if he became a full light aligned entity

[jade basalt]

Totally - or it was a ploy

If he really were a secret agent then it would make sense that he'd feign disdain for the other nathrezim. "I'm built different."

[rain cave]

I mean his perspective that he states is he’s always been working against the void

[jade basalt]

Yup

[rain cave]

He could still be working for the same common goal

Now that means one of two things now that he’s dead,
A: he reforms and rejoins the dreadlords, and was just deep under cover or changes his allegiance after dying

Or B: because he’s light forged, he actually reforms in the light realm. And joins the zealots there, potentially leading an attack on us and the void

Also I’ve just been thinking about the cosmos divided line, some take it to mean that all the forces need to work together, but it could also be literal. The cosmos, the different cosmological forces are divided into different realms, they aren’t mixing or sharing the same space

Like they’ve been banished to their own realms

[austere gazelle]

Outside of Xalatath, there is something bothering me. Dimensius has been said to be the " last " void lord. So there was no immadiate threat.
1- Who were the masters of the Old gods then ?
2- If dimensius was able to consume creation, then why we were told that only a corrupted world soul could do it ?
3- What is the real goal of Sargeras, outside of the one we've been told ?

It's almost certain by now that the Dreadlord lied to Sargeras. I'm not sure the corruption of a world soul was the real goal of the Old Gods.
I'm almost convinced that they were send to find the " Prime world soul "
And there is something they must do to this prime world soul to achive something else.

[rain cave]

I don’t even think sargeras’s goal WAS his own

[austere gazelle]

yeah he's been manipulated that's for sure.

[rain cave]

Like it feels a lot like they want the dreadlords to be the ones on his shoulder telling him

[rain cave]

It could be he was the last void lord in reality?

[austere gazelle]

I dont know... Seems like he consumed all the other one so they couldn't reform I guess

[rain cave]

Or maybe we aren’t entirely sure what a void lord is

If a void lord is similar to a titan, well, who’s the boss of the titans?

[austere gazelle]

that's true, same for the Naarus

[rain cave]

Perhaps a throne

One azshara would like

Maybe that’s why he’s the last of the void lords lmao

Maybe azshara has been busy

[austere gazelle]

I think Azshara is aiming at Azeroth's when she said " the true throne of power". She wants to do the ' Exchange' on the world soul like Soul Scribe did

[rain cave]

Maybe, so you think she’s just waiting to strike?

[austere gazelle]

After all, we now know that such a thing is possible and I envisionned it the moment the prophecy said she would wait for the Harbinger to complete the Awakening, and then she would rule " over seas, sky and earth "

[rain cave]

I’m realising something

[austere gazelle]

If Azeroth is an entity that can create reality from dream, it might be the most busted power possible to be able to rewrite creation

[rain cave]

There’s gold eyed elves with a bunch of different cosmological powers who could fit the chosen one thing

Azshara, illidan, arator, even malfurion represents life

Arcane, fel, light and shadow

[austere gazelle]

yep, they're destined for great things. And X'era did say that Illidan"s destiny was " forged at the crucible of creation " then " cast out into cosmic winds " where it would end up on a tiny vessel on Azeroth

[rain cave]

Just wondering if that Destiny perhaps got split up

Into multiple people

[austere gazelle]

for a time, I thought that the golden eye being were splinter, echo of an essence of a First One

Convenient that the First Ones were a manifestation of each of those " forces "

That would explain why Nzoth had an eye on Azshara, X'era on Illidan, etc

I see a lot of Starcraft similarity with the Xel Naga inhabiting body of lesser being they judged more 'perfect' in spirit and shape than themselves

[deep pawn]

End of an era for that, but I don't begrudge any addon dev who doesn't care to restart their work.

[rain cave]

are they doing it because they're happy that blizz is finally doing the work for them

or are they just protesting

[deep pawn]

They aren't happy but I'm not mad at them ending their projects

[tropic trail]

I’m very happy

[rain cave]

tbf I never used an UI addons for very long, they're always so overcomplicated

WoW's only ever needed like, a couple extra weakauras worth of QoL

and they're baking that in

[tropic trail]

Yea I used a bit when raided mythic but it was too much tweaking

[trim stratus]

They r not doing it prob because there is a lot work for them to adjust addon t work. Elvui had cd tracking, inc heal etc

Anyone can tell me who have alpha is it there more achivments for housing items than wowhead article was writing about, like legacy content?

[austere gazelle]

I've never liked Elvui mainly because it was on a separate launcher to update it and you had to update it like three time a day sometime, it was exhausting, and it felt like very power consuming

[lavish raptor]

I never used it myself so I can't really say much about it

But I'm not surprised that it's way too much work to adjust it to midnight standards

[deep pawn]

Many addons would have to start over entirely for a weaker product so I can see why lots are out.

I don't begrudge any of them and I get their being mourning over ending long term projects

[dense plover]

we also arent done with opening up addon restrictions

theyve been making changes every build and said in their last post that this will continue through beta and even into prepatch

my concern is things like older fights

because stuff like DBM probably wont work on those older fights any more

[deep pawn]

they're gonna make it work with Manaforge at least, but beyond that yeah, who knows

[austere gazelle]

Blizzard will revisit all the old fights anyway to make it works with the new mechanics.

I'm pretty sure that's why the M+ are opening for WOTLK and maybe BC soon ( and classic on the long run )

anything is on the table now

[agile token]

Had the idea of an expansion long questline for a legendary....mount! In the Arcantina

[topaz owl]

Hi, I have a question about player housing, specifically guild neighbourhoods. My guild is a horde guild, however over recent years many of our players have faction changed to Alliance and we are cross faction. It is likely that most players will want to have the neighbourhood in the Alliance zone, however since the guild is technically a horde guild I am not sure if we are limited to only being able to have a horde neighbourhood due to GM being horde or if perhaps an alliance officer could set up the neighbourhood? Any advice is appreciated! Thank you 🙂

[dull sage]

Can easily just set up a private neighbourhood for those who want to be in the alliance zone. Just won't be the guild one.

[dense plover]

arcantina is not tied to the expansion

it is meant to be evergreen and fully optional content

which is why it only rewards furniture

[agile token]

Exactly

[dense plover]

no, read the rest

furniture only

and independent stories

it has no overarching story

its intentionally not meant to

[agile token]

Could be more

[dense plover]

no it couldnt

that would defeat the point

[agile token]

A mount questline seems like a perfect fit

[dense plover]

its meant to be a place for people to visit and tell an independent story

it would not be a perfect fit

its literally antithetical to the concept of the arcantina

its not meant to give worthwhile rewards

its not meant to have storylines that are tied together

its meant to have a series of random one-offs that are tied to nothing

[agile token]

Unlucky

[dense plover]

no, thats just what the content is. Its meant as a way for them to tell lots of small stories without having to tie them to current content. A way to keep the rest of the world alive during any expansions without having to have long drawn-out stories, and making them non-faction specific

[agile token]

Seems like the perfect setting for the idea

[dense plover]

how? how would an overarching story like a legendary questline fit into content that is explicitly NOT tied to each other and is intentionally disconnected from everything AND isnt supposed to have important/super cool rewards?

tell me you didnt read what i wrote, without telling me you didnt read what i wrote

housing. rewards. only.

short. disconnected. quests.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they DID say mount

Just a mount questline there would be cool

[dense plover]

they said legendary questline

ya know, like the stuff you do over the entire expansion

which is explicitly NOT what the arcantina is

[upper pasture]

They can just add an expansion long quest line in silvermoon

[pulsar minnow]

“ Legendary mount.”Idk what a legendary mount would be but a mount questline would be fine

[agile token]

Not tied or found in the current expansion, which would restrict it

[upper pasture]

And not have it tied to the arcantina

[dense plover]

yes that would be fine

[meager warren]

Would be cool if you could place unused mounts in your house/neighborhood

[dense plover]

eventually planned

not at launch, probably not even expac launch

[upper pasture]

Pretty sure they said that’s planned along with pets

[dense plover]

my guess is sometime DURING midnight, as a patch feature

[agile token]

The second best location would be back in Stormwind and Orgrimmar I suppose

[meager warren]

neat, haven't paid a lot of attention

[upper pasture]

Hunter pets are seemingly more difficult to do that battle pets

[dense plover]

those probably wont happen

[upper pasture]

Yes, I was just clarifying

[agile token]

Something in the direction of a 4 seater or a barber mount

[meager warren]

Wish some hunter pets were bigger

like the kor'kron juggsy

[pulsar minnow]

Oh. That could be a cool idea. Having to craft different bits of the mount like a legendary to make a mount that actually provides utility- I like it honestly

Would still keep it “gold gated” so it’s not like everyone is getting it for free but also make it feel earned

[upper pasture]

“Gold gating” only pushes token sales

[spare glacier]

I have to buy a specific plot of land before everyone else in my guild gets to it or I won’t be able to build my house there?! How’d I reserve a plot of land?

[pulsar minnow]

I mean what’s really the alternative for something like that

Stuff that provides utility need to be earned in some way you can’t just hand it out

[upper pasture]

time investment or skill

[pulsar minnow]

Is gold not a time investment then?

[upper pasture]

i mean sort of? but you're the one claiming they can't just "hand it out" when getting 1mil gold is just 60-80 usd

[pulsar minnow]

Well that’s not really a hand out lol

[upper pasture]

anything that's gold gated is basically just handing it out to people who have no restriction on money, i'd much rather it be a time gated thing or a skilled based thing then an "spend X amount of money" thing

[pulsar minnow]

You can spend hundreds for the Brutosaur sure but who actually does that

[upper pasture]

a lot of people bought the new one so.....a lot of people did

[pulsar minnow]

And that’s not really a hand out if it’s gated that way

Also I was more so referring to the BFA Brutosaur

[upper pasture]

oh the mount that goes to goldcap everytime it's on the BMAH?

[pulsar minnow]

A basic questline going hey here’s a Brutosaur! Would feel shitty for the people who bought it in BFA or in TWW

[upper pasture]

did i say a basic quest?

[pulsar minnow]

I mean that was the topic initially- which is why I made my point a legendary questline would be a cool middle ground

Because it’s a compromise in being a time investment and a gold sink

[upper pasture]

smh, okay

[pulsar minnow]

I spent maybe 50k for my evoker legendary and 70k for my Paladin legendary in DF. Then I had to do all the farming along with that. I’d say doing that stuff for an AH mount would be great

Idk what’s so outrageous with that- because you can always farm the mats yourself lol

[upper pasture]

but that's not gold gated if you can do without the use of gold, that's just a normal(or legendary) questchain that you're using gold to increase the speed. which is my point make it a quest chain and not something that you just dump gold on to solve, either time based (with catch up) OR skill based (but nothing too crazy that people can't actually do)

by incentivizing gold cost you are encouraging people to spend money on tokens to get said item and devaluing it

[pulsar minnow]

I see where you’re coming from but the problem is that all util mounts are based around a gold grind of some kind.

A long quest chain would just devalue all other mounts before it because it is essentially free.

Which is why I like the legendary mount idea- because there are mats you simply CANNOT buy and have to grind for. So it makes it more accessible for people who don’t have millions of gold to spend

[agile token]

The point of my idea was offering a big cool cosmetic reward for a long quest chain effort for once, rather than a legendary weapon we had in the past

[upper pasture]

not true, we've had two or three mounts in TWW and DF that we're about collecting items from dungeons to trade in to get them

[pulsar minnow]

I’m talking utility mounts

Like the Yak, Mammoth, Brutosaur

All tied to different gold milestones of some kind

[upper pasture]

yes, i'm simply making the point as it could and should be different. those mounts were the old way of blizzard. we shouldn't be encouraging blizzard to keep milking their player base for convenience items. if they tied a utility mount to a long engaging quest chain rather than the shop do you think people would complain? of course they will. do you think they would complain more or less if it was in the shop?

[dense plover]

the problem is that the brutosaur is already beyond the limit of what most people can afford

so any utility mount cant cost more than like 100k without it being prohibitively expensive

[rain cave]

Player power ideally shouldn’t be gate kept behind gold unless there is a reliable system to get the gold needed

People spending money on legendaries is pretty bad imo

[upper pasture]

again this is a hypothetical mount not actual player power

[rain cave]

Mounts are cosmetic though, so I’m largely fine with them being gold sinks unless it’s got exclusive features

[rain cave]

Evoker legendary gold cost was used earlier to justify

That’s what I’m expanding on

Mb for not being explicit with it

[upper pasture]

ideally you had people who could do those crafts for you or people weren't supposed to be as greedy with it, however that's just the world we live in. when people are needed they are gonna be greedy

[rain cave]

Imo professions need to be less fomo

[upper pasture]

i suppose in theory blizzard only thought about solid raid group communities when doing that questline too

[rain cave]

Like here’s a recipe that’s needed but it’s gatekept behind exalted rep, and new players are expected to use high up front costs to catch up

It’s not profitable for people to do professions unless they’re at the top

[meager warren]

Pls not time based, i'm a procrastinator
Remix is killing me

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[meager warren]

Legion+ expacs are easy to get high reps for though, with world quests

[upper pasture]

With a catch up tho, so if you are a professional procrastinator it won’t matter if you start when the last step is released

Just like it won’t matter for legion remix, they are adding a catch up thing in the final phase so /shrug

[rain cave]

Not when they’re current

It’s such a chore to rep farm and if you’re doing it at a normal playing place, by the time you get max you’ll be behind everyone else who rushes them for professions

I just don’t think rep should be the only source of some of these things

Because rep is not how everyone plays

Just like how you can gear with delves, m+, raids. There should be alternate ways to advance professions

E.g a vendor who sells the rarer more exclusive recipes for a currency you get while partaking in different content

[fading lintel]

Anyone with alpha access here?

[meager warren]

I mean, fair enough but i'm a noob so i mostly go at a slower pace than people who do nothing but mythic raids and dungeons all the time. Last time i did a mythic dungeon outside of Lemix was around a year ago, i think and that was because the rest of the team thought i was a better player than i am. It sucks since i have to do more raids to get the special items at raid tier in remix

Actually, it was a mythic raid i did in Lemix, i can't remember if i ever did a current mythic raid before this

[upper pasture]

If you can’t recall doing a mythic raid when it’s current you likely never did one tbh

[long arrow]

Not a response to the Alpha question, but LOVE your DP. Long live Queen Bjork

[meager warren]

Yea, prolly not

[cyan zealot]

hmm, how do I access the patch sniper?

[dense plover]

huh

dev notes BEFORE build

thats unusual

this is a lot of activities

amazing - people were like 'theyre nerfing housing budgets'

they massively increased it lol

[tulip sun]

Interesting. Maybe theyre still releasing it tonight? Its pretty late

[dense plover]

its 5:30 pm pst

we have like 3 hours

my guess is within the next hour

[remote shuttle]

almost like the feedback worked!

[dense plover]

lol no

they never nerfed the budget in the first place

it was assumptions during a week where housing was disabled due to bugs

they were NEVER going to decrease the budget

the budget was always set at what they considered the safest amount

and after more testing, now they can add way more

[remote shuttle]

They did change the budgets midway. Surely you noticed it in testing too?

[dense plover]

the people complaining on reddit were complaining about something that was never gonna happen

[dense plover]

but they didnt tho

[remote shuttle]

They did.

[dense plover]

it was only the strings that changed my guy

[remote shuttle]

At least, especially housing room one.

[dense plover]

that was bugged

literally called out as a bug in that weeks dev notes post

[remote shuttle]

Ah, my Boston team contacts must've been wrong then!

[dense plover]

yes

ive played in every build, they didnt reduce budgets once

the only thing theyve done is cut exterior lights

because it causes major performance issues

and theyre working to fix that

oh and exterior attachments, but those are back

same with dyes

those two were bugs ofc

[remote shuttle]

Had to go on a call and explain their entire Room system broke as suddenly normal rooms went from 9/9 to 32/9. So if that internally recognised what the bug was - then good!

[dense plover]

yes

it was a bug

hopefully the horde housing hitboxes are finally fixed

because horde housing has been barely functional for exteriors

[remote shuttle]

Theres a thing we're nervously awaiting the day its datamined for Horde side housing...

[dense plover]

well im still waiting on actually being able to place decorations outside and having the house sit flat on the ground once its moved

since exterior edits, these bugs have existed, ive reported them every time

and they dont exist and have never existed for alliance housing because they developed alliance housing first

[remote shuttle]

If I may ask, how are you reporting? Via In-game bug tickets, forum or other online?

[dense plover]

in game

those have the most consistent fix rating in my experience

i use the forum for feedback

[remote shuttle]

Might I recommend the forum, or a public written doc? Tickets, through my experience while good to double down aren't always effective - Forum has been recommended to me by devs as a "If I can't address it, when we find it, we can forward links to the right people."

[dense plover]

for alpha, bug reports are taken pretty seriously

its very unusual for a bug report i make to never get fixed

it just means the priority is on other stuff

which tbf, the game has been very crash-heavy these last few builds

so fixing that is definitely higher priority

i literally get invited because of my bug reporting

[remote shuttle]

Agreed. If the bugs are obvious and high priority like housing, its got a very fast turnaround!

[dense plover]

from SLs

they didnt do this back during Legion when i got my first beta access

from TWW

i like the 'you found X undiscovered bugs'

i hope they do that for this expac

[remote shuttle]

It is nice! Definitely gives a form to reflect good work and accomplishments!

[dense plover]

ptr has been updated, but not alpha yet

[ionic terrace]

build went out

[dense plover]

yup finally

map is in!

new UI option

ok - trying from 80, lets see how things go!

looks like cooldown manager import/export might be in finally

nvm, export is in but not import

[pulsar minnow]

hm so Ul'atek is obviously gonna go next to Zul'aman... so are we just gonna have two more compasses squished into the map?

Obviously there's no knowing now but I think it would be really funny if we just had 4 compasses on the expac world map

[dense plover]

looks like a lot more voice acting is in

[dense plover]

still no maps for silvermoon or eversong, so those may be placeholder

the voidstorm and harandar things are overlays so they can be changed

this has a map tho

thats the intro version

this is the normal one

very HD

[ionic terrace]

they added a sort of outdoor room

[dense plover]

thats a new icon

catalog now shows a bunch of info about items

and helps you find it

ilvl upgrades are working again

intro has WIP cutscenes now

still getting the no access exception crashes 🙁

[uncut vault]

that was just happening to me too until I also updated 11.2.7 PTR

[dense plover]

i dont have that installed

could try installing it i guess?

ive had it the past few builds so ill try it

🤞

voice lines in intro are mainly arator and liadrin

so i assume theyve just gone through and had their recording sessions

[uncut vault]

They were there last week as well

but yeah just those two still I assume

Arator's have been in for a while, so I assume they did all of his in one go for 11.2.7 and 12.0

[dense plover]

still crashing

i think its an asset loading issue

it happens when new assets need to be loaded like cutscenes or moving between areas

tried turning off optional graphics features since they say they can cause crashes

[deep pawn]

And to think people doubted the January prepatch

[dull sage]

I was in the early feburary lane.

[dense plover]

yeah this overlaps with legion remix doesnt it?

i figured we wouldnt get it until after

[deep pawn]

nope

Remix ends Jan 20th

I always figured Remix would end just before prepatch so they didn't have to squish remix.

[dull sage]

So it's Remix end, week of downtime, 12.0.

[dense plover]

the last step of the intro quest scenario thing has music

might just be like, sunwell music from tbc, but it sounds new

[tulip sun]

Silver covenant stuff is populated with NPCs now

[dense plover]

some of these side quests seem like they will be interesting

[worn crown]

Ohhh, Salandria

I hope we get to know in Midgnight why some bronze dragons tried to attack her in the Caverns of Time when she was a child

[deep pawn]

generally prepatch event is a week after prepatch lately

[deep pawn]

Well there ends any speculation that Atal'Utek was 12.0.7 or the 12.1 zone but not the raid

[austere gazelle]

Serpent stuff are interesting these time around since itll maybe be tied to Aln'Haran and azeroth

[deep pawn]

I'm tired of the Xal story being dragged out lol

[thin warren]

we still need her in the last titan 😛

[deep pawn]

I freaking hope not

She needs to die in Midnight

[thin warren]

D: poor Xal

i'm thinking she will be the main villain for the whole saga

[cyan zealot]

I wanted to see the entire patch sniper with history, not just the last event

[deep pawn]

Unless she's teaming up with Iridikron to kill all but Azeroth, I don't want to see it. I am so tired of vague villain goals lol.

I've said before if I don't know exactly what Xal's end game is by the end of the first tier and then we go play with a snake for 6 months? I'm gonna consider bailing out because I can't tolerate that type of stringing along

WoW's story is too slowly released to be that type of "mystery"

[thin warren]

maybe Xal wants to absorb the powers of the snakegod

[deep pawn]

oh boy, she needs even more power for some vague goal

It's what she's been doing for 2 damn years

No, 12.0 is the time for the plot to put up or shut up.

They're dragging her out longer than the Jailer

[thin warren]

as we can see with the assault on the sunwell, she is allready very powerfull

i wonder what she needs the sunwell for, to open it for another evil entity? a voidlord?

[deep pawn]

Voidstorm and learning about her place in the void society should lead into what she wants to do.

[austere gazelle]

Arcantina currency ?

[dull sage]

My guess is spend money on those to get like, unique housing items or spend them on increasing decor limit.

Na, they have the housing icon on them. So they're related to that.

[pulsar minnow]

Good chance they’ll explain it in voidstorm. There’s a cinematic we don’t see on the alpha where a Dominaar explains who/what Xal’Atath even is.

Might come along with that

[austere gazelle]

The next part of the Prophecy before Azshara come back is " She will complete the Awakening " so she'll try to awaken Azeroth's from her slumber. Which is tied to the Haranir and Aln' Hara somehow, which is described as some sort of serpent / dragon , which might have ties to some snake loa

[pulsar minnow]

Wasnt aln’hara implied to just be Azeroth? Or did I miss something

[austere gazelle]

Yes, but apparently her true " form " is one of a Serpent/Dragon, and that would match with the " doomsayer " in legion talking about the " Crooked serpent with no eyes " ( Azeroth ripped her eyes out , An'she and Mu'sha )

It would also explains Elune's fondness for Dragons

[pulsar minnow]

Hm. I honestly don’t really know if this’ll tie into Ula’tek tbh

I think this is just their way to tell the story of Kithix and the Amani/Xal connection

Not that I don’t think that’s interesting it just feels that despite the ties we the players can make the story tends to just be.. simpler and more obvious than that

[austere gazelle]

True, blizzard is not subtle

[pulsar minnow]

I forgot how it worked in DF and TWW, but did we get beta immediately after the final phase of alpha or did we have a week inbetween?

[little hound]

Can't say i can recall. Despite having Beta access, i never play it. I prefer avoiding playing the same questlines too many times.

I think you get it as soon the Beta realms open.

If i'm not wrong, this is the last alpha week anyways.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah. I just want to explore the zones and try out classes/dungeons. I’ve kinda already spoiled myself on the questing by skim reading the Voidstorm and Zul Aman stuff

[little hound]

Saaaame.

(Fuck Lothraxion)

[lone mantle]

Thank you for supporting the Constellan Agenda. Together, we shall purge the Dread Lord filth from our cosmic fabric and restore harmony to the grand design.

[pulsar minnow]

I like how they handled lothraxion in being completely devoted to the light but wish ||we didn’t kill him||

He’s just such a unique character

[remote shuttle]

@dense plover
So what was the bug again, that there was a budget assigned to rooms, or not assigned?

[dense plover]

It’s the rooms having a budget

And it’s definitely still bugged

The values are fucked

They’re also half fixed due to new changes being implemented. There are new room types coming

[remote shuttle]

So; They didn't have a budget -> Do have a budget, but the budget number put in place wasn't correct per room.

[dense plover]

Yes

Wrong amount per room

Look at the new rooms in the housing level up menu

[autumn relic]

Is there any sign of the new Transmog system 2.0 in the Alpha version of Midnight?

[little hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216150668344295454/1433095926469099721/IMG_2334.jpg?ex=69037216&is=69022096&hm=2d3c9e6bfaa0ba9285f38c032f32aa090852f36ab150f6e273af70746de33eb0&

Is the new updates.

[clear apex]

I was a little sad over the exterior decor on ptr to be 200 budget. That was way too easy to fill up. I had about 5 trees, some flowers and a bench, then that was it.

Wonder if they'll update the advanced mode widgets with color. The all yellow version is hard to tell at times

[fathom fulcrum]

https://fxtwitter.com/Portergauge/status/1981964486379741264

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

????? Eitrigg was not in the Dark Horde lol, he left the Horde *immediately* after the Second War ended and actively fought to dismantle them in Cata with Ariok.
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FxTwitter · Oct 25, 2025, 6:02 AM

bro...

Midnight lowkey worse than BfA and Shadowlands combined

ngl

wtf is this

the thread is pretty kraaaaazy

[austere gazelle]

Wdym ? It was titan PoV ( xD )

[dense plover]

looks like prey will have a journey system like delves

currencies

my guess is each rune is tied to each difficulty

and the remnant is from all 3 difficulties

voidlight marl prices have been massively reduced

so now you wont get like 500 resonance crystals, you might only get 1

lots of furniture - all chests

this seems more expensive

its so cute!

[deep pawn]

yeah, was only 2k in all of TWW

5k seems a bit excessive for a piece of hero gear and no myth crests

[dense plover]

it has a model now

[dense plover]

think it might give myth crests but im not sure

[deep pawn]

10 a week when you'll probably need 100 to craft anything may as well be 0 lol.

[dense plover]

portal inside silvermoon for alts

i assume it isnt here on brand new accounts but i cant test that

continuing the prey intro

a captured gnarldin

reminds me of the venthir a bit

what are the chances this astalor guy just IS a venthyr

fun - the menu isnt working

maybe its max level only? i was hoping it wouldnt be 🙁

[uncut vault]

This isnt as bad as it seems at first

its a reference to a really old vanilla quest that the dev probably didnt realize was decanonized by chronicle

so it was canon at some point, before they cleaned up Eitrigg's story

[uncut vault]

Astalor's a very old belf character, he's been using blood magic for ages

[dense plover]

the obsession with anguish seems odd

[uncut vault]

including MoP's version of Anima, so I suspect this is their way of rebranding that to avoid the Shadowlands name similarity

[dense plover]

they changed out the lynxs in eversong!

they arent using the TWW lynx model anymore

that was something i gave feedback on in the first alpha

[uncut vault]

makes for a nice bit of worldbuilding, since the Zul'Aman ones still use the TWW model

[uncut vault]

those ones are the "real" native lynxes, and the Arathi took them with them across the sea

[dense plover]

that one i am more okay with b/c they SHOULD be different'

[tulip sun]

I think its crazy how different the two lynxes are but its a lovely model.

[uncut vault]

vs these new ones are the ones altered by the thousands of years of ecological changes the elves did to the land

[tulip sun]

Makes you wonder why the Arathi havr the troll lynxes instead of elven ones

[dense plover]

it tells us that the ones in eversong are the elf cats

because when the arathi left, the elves didnt have the lynxs they have now

[lavish raptor]

Didn't even occur to me that lynxes are treated as elven cats in wow

But should have been obvious cos of the ears

[dense plover]

still hope they give them troll decorations

like, feathers and such for the pet ones

[tulip sun]

Do we see the Amani use Lynxes? Or are they just in the wild

[deep pawn]

I want more proof Belf Druids are coming.

[dense plover]

yes they use them

[deep pawn]

Kul Tiran and Void Elf paladin charger spells have been datamined but they're being used by NPCs

[tulip sun]

Yknow its curious that Halazzi looks like the "evolved" elf lynx then

Instead of the native amani one

[tulip sun]

Oh?

[dense plover]

does it?

[tulip sun]

Pretty aure their new model is

Oh nevermind. Hmm.

Kind of looks in between maybe?

[deep pawn]

the new one looks very druid to me lol

[tulip sun]

Looks thinner than the Arathi one but has the short tail and patterns of the native amani lynx.

[tulip sun]

This is...interesting. are they new mounts?

Who uses them? The tyrs guard dude and then the one rendorei paladin?

[deep pawn]

I think so

[dense plover]

yeah i think the amani lynx are also a bit different

its neat

[tulip sun]

Ooh ok

Has anyone happened to redo the Zul'aman storyline?

[dense plover]

i will once i finish eversong

[tulip sun]

Ok! If you happen to come across Nija Torntusk's story with the hinterlands witherbark- im curious about changes. They make Lilaju and Pel'na Torntusk remove all references, make Torntusk a title instead of a surname and clarify theyre separate.

But Nija referenced actually living in the hinterlands

[deep pawn]

I'm still torn on the Ulatek raid

[tulip sun]

And being the daughter of torntusks

So im curious if they removed that or what

[dense plover]

why? the bits people have seen of the zone look cool

[uncut vault]

Blizz said that the worldsoul saga is allowing them to do patch stories they otherwise wouldn’t have the time to do, stuff like Undermine and this troll island are certainly following through on that

[tulip sun]

More forest trolls spotlight is never a bad thing imo

And I know im crazy for it, but im still holding out hope for playable horde forest trolls

They give us these shiny new models but instead give us basic green on darkspear? 😭

[pulsar minnow]

Just to add on to your point- it’s very likely ula’tek could be related to Kith’ix and the overarching void storyline as folks have already pointed out

[dull sage]

I miss Undermine.

Make DRIVE worldwide.

[deep pawn]

Except they aren't making the main story deep enough to pay that off

11.2 felt like filler not the main course since we ended up right where we started with Alleria chasing Xal'atath

[dense plover]

overload now has a sub menu so multiple different versions are all under one header

like the warband submenu thingy

pretty sure this is a new icon too

[deep pawn]

So I'm personally a little wary if we get 0 answers in 12.0 and then go play with a snake for 6 months til Blizzcon

[dense plover]

we are missing all of the endgame story right now

literally only week 1 is enabled in this build

[deep pawn]

That's largely irrelevant to me feeling snake god feels out of place in a 3 patch story of light vs void

[dense plover]

lightning rush works again!

document info about the deadscar's healing

explains the lack of trees

i got a pet from a pot of paint

the menu being blank is really weird tho

[lavish raptor]

Its supposed to be symbolic of the sunsetting of pet battles

[uncut radish]

On the wowhead talent Calc for beta talents some class trees have the capstone area gatekept requiring 23 talent points spent in the top two areas, where others only require 20 points spent above. Which one is actually correct on beta?

[dense plover]

there are still new pets with talents

[dense plover]

20

probably a wowhead bug

those 4 new points are available from level 80 up

i think?

[lavish raptor]

I need to work on my humor game

[dense plover]

or they might be in the same section as the bottom

[zealous sedge]

The snake god is an old god

Kidding

[deep pawn]

I mean it's possible

Blizzard does consider only 12.0 to be Midnight when they said we aren't gonna see old gods in Midnight haha

[lavish raptor]

Ula-tek seems to be connected to K'thix

So it's probably uh. Not a snake

[deep pawn]

She's a snake loa.

Her island is full of venom

[pulsar minnow]

Also just look at the map of Zul Aman. Where Kith’ix fell the Amani built their city.

There’s not really a “main city” in Zul’aman - except for what used to be the raid and is now just the entrance leading to… a giant bridge connecting to this huge mountain temple.

I really doubt this will be just a snake loa side quest

[deep pawn]

Yes, as wowhead posted the RPG said outsiders though the snake loa was an old god in disguise

Regardless I hate that they consider the expansion only the launch patch now

People specifically asked about Kith'ix and old gods and blizzard said "not in Midnight"

[mortal nebula]

found this on twitter https://x.com/i/status/1983596735160312005

Meg (@megasett)

"We are cleaning up Windwalker’s visual profile"

Windwalker on alpha:

X · Oct 29, 2025, 6:08 PM

[dense plover]

thats not what visual profile means

visual profile is that it should all look like its tied to windwalker

which it does

[deep pawn]

There's either a bug or something unintentional going on but yeah, it's a bit much

It's too much spam

[mortal nebula]

oh i just liked the vfx tbh

[worn crown]

Filler. As much as I find Undermine to be fun... filler in what we were told to be a saga.

[crisp steeple]

anyone know if the press and hold function has been added to single button assistant on PTR yet? It was supposed to be added to it in 11.2.7

[upper pasture]

You know they are still trying to set up stories for the coming years too right?

Like the worse thing they can do is focus 100% WSS and then when it’s over give us something out of left field and be like “just trust us this story has been happening” then they have to retcon and mold a story out of nothing

[clear apex]

as much as i didnt care for undermine overall, i think of it as a side quest to the main story, a little break in the bigger saga

[upper pasture]

Like WoD was literally the worse in my opinion because they were just like “ope, time dragon went bad and help garrosh, new expansion”

[clear apex]

in that sense? totally. I miss it at times, but hated it at the time it was out. I wish we could see what it would have been with the horde and alliance cities they were going to make

WoD remix - but with all the missing stuff we didnt do then

[upper pasture]

I mean that’s a big ask, if they cut it before through lack of dev time or realized it probably wouldn’t have translated well into a fun experience. It was probably for a good reason. I would love to see zangarmarsh before draenor got ripped apart tho

[deep pawn]

The issue was that was relegated to a book.

[clear apex]

there is so much lore im missing since i dont read the books and that is bad

[deep pawn]

A war crimes 2.5d short story should have covered that

[upper pasture]

Yes, and my point is these “side” stories are moving balls forward that needs to happen for things to make sense and not seem totally random for the average player

[deep pawn]

K'aresh still felt random to me to the point until it was revealed I was still on team rootlands

Blizzard isn't setting things up well at all.

Hell people are saying nothing in ZulAman questing even references the big island you can't go to yet

[upper pasture]

Why? Ethereals stole the power item makes sense they might take it back to wherever they are located

[deep pawn]

My thought process was Xal didn't have it on our world, great. Resummoning Dimensius with people presumed dead was such a massive rear pull that it still left many going "why are we here"

It was demons but lazier

[upper pasture]

We are there to recover the world threatening item that destroyed a major city, before the person who can seemingly travel untold distances and has some sort of grudge against our world gets it again

[deep pawn]

We went there because it was summoning Dimensius, that's it. Without that we were content to wait.

[upper pasture]

There is a point of being proactive sometimes instead of just waiting for the problems to come back

[deep pawn]

We only could get there because an ethereal could open a portal

And they only grabbed us because well the story needed the PC there

[upper pasture]

I’m aware, but even before we knew that it was smart to want to do that

[deep pawn]

Eh, why would we care about an item out of the hands of the person who wanted to use it on Azeroth. Dimensius is the only reason we showed up and all it did was out us back to where we were in 10.2.7 which makes TWW feel like crap

[upper pasture]

Because she’s going to go back and get it and come back to our world??

[deep pawn]

Well congrats she got it anyways and would have no matter what if she could have beaten Dimensius 1v1

The only thing that's changed for Azeroth across all of TWW is a destroyed Dalaran and a slightly less broken Anduin.

The main plot treaded water for 18 months and that is horrendous pacing

There's setting up future tidbits and then there's having no direction because you're filling time

11.0 had lots of tid bits because they were designed for payoff in one expansion, not 3 years down the line.

So yeah, my patience with the Xal plot is done. Give us some meat beyond the damn status quo like we're a Saturday morning cartoon with no continuity

It's grand we saved K'aresh's world soul that may pay off in an avengers moment down the road but it feels like the definition of an RPG side quest.

"do this to get an extra ally for the final boss"

I'm so glad we're getting Haradnar in 12.0 but I don't want the plot to take a break again in season 2 and 3

[upper pasture]

I mean, we were told we are “losing” in TWW. We the players knew everything wasn’t gonna come up roses for us but that doesn’t man the characters should try to stop would ending events.

[deep pawn]

Except we didn't lose. Like Reznik's death hits harder than Locus Walker. We're literally in the exact samr spot we were in 10.2.7 with Alleria chasing Xal just minus a Dalaran

[upper pasture]

It wasn’t “breaks” tho sure undermine did very little for TWW story, I agree however k’aresh did more

We didn’t get the power item back, we move forward xal’s agenda. We lost.

[deep pawn]

Alleria even redid her exact same oath again on K'aresh but apparently this time it means more

[upper pasture]

We trapped the last void lord in a trinket and handed it to possible our greatest enemy

[deep pawn]

I feel like we weren't mandatory to that at all if without it being stolen Xal could've just poofed there, sucked up the dimmy juice and poof back and bam 12.0 cinematic. We never had the trinket.

11.2 was the Locus Walker humiliation conga where he got comeuppance for his arrogance but that didn't feel like Azeroth's story.

[clear apex]

Think that's why i hated SL. Felt like zero to do with azeroth.

[deep pawn]

I felt like SL had more to do with Azeroth than 11.2 did because at least that was Sylvanas moving the plot along rather than some alien.

[lavish raptor]

SL felt like an Isekai lowk

But I also didn't like 11.2 (despite liking broker/ethereal story stuff) because it didn't feel relevant to TWW outside of setting up story for the next two expacs

As much as I love the goblin patch, I definitely feel like the story might have flowed better without it and for something more relevant to be there instead

[pulsar minnow]

Personally I didn’t really mind 11.2 being K’aresh. That said I was already checked out of war within thanks to undermine, siren isle, and anniversary kinda taking the wind out of the sails imo

[lavish raptor]

TWW largely feels like filler until 11.2

[pulsar minnow]

Genuinely feel like undermine was put in TWW because they’d never really have the opportunity to explore that locale again

Content flow was good, though maybe a few too many rehashes of old content. Story just dragged after the opening patch

[upper pasture]

didn't Ion admit to this?

[clear apex]

Feels like undermine could have been better suited to cata but didn't. I only say that since that's when we got goblins and i don't think they needed to be involved with the black blood

Hope we get some follow up with lordaeron and gilneas since we had those plot lines.
And exodar for draenei being told they're building shattrath 2.0

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t remember him saying that or where he did but I wouldn’t be surprised

[upper pasture]

he said something along the lines of it was an "now or never moment" i'd have to look it up but i'm pretty sure he said it

"Ion: We can say pretty confidently that we didn't just do Undermine because we felt like "it was time to give goblins their spotlight," but rather really because we're already underground. What are some known locations from beneath the surface of Azeroth? Obviously, one of the big ones was the Nerubian Empire, which we'd barely seen. The second big one was, of course, Undermine. Figuring out how to lead the story arc to Undermine was an early challenge, but it would've been a horrible injustice to make an expansion underground and miss out on Undermine. It was a labor of love for everyone to pull together and figure it out. The humor, the intrigue, the "fun" that comes with goblin culture, and it's a really deep exploration. We're going well beyond the surface."

guess it wasn't the "now or never moment" but there's this

goblin patch was a huge miss for me from everything except the raid fights, but i didn't expect to like it as i'm not really a goblin enjoyer. and i hated drive.

[deep pawn]

Drive makes me pray they never do dynamic ground mounts

The anti flying people just need to go find some other game.

[elfin eagle]

I liked karesh as a part of tws

[sleek solar]

Has the tradingpost been posted yet? I hope we get the blademaster necklaces again

[clear apex]

Don't think that'll get more info until Friday

[dull sage]

We're probably getting the food weapons, along with the knife, fork and spoon weapons.
Turkey Mounts and pilgrim civillian stuff.

The spoon better have a staff version.

[dense plover]

finally renamed

[deep pawn]

It'll be posted tomorrow. It's usually a couple days before

[rain cave]

to be fair goblins fit with the dark hearts lore

but it does feel like the story was steered in that direction intentionally

like we still don't know anything about why she has it

or needs it

as much as I hate to be reductionist, I can understand why people said TWW could have been an email story wise lmao

[clear apex]

I liked 11.0 but everything past that was pretty not interesting, for me

[dull sage]

I'm strongly on the side of Undermine being the best patch ever.
The theme, the raid, DRIVE. It all speaks to my inner RPer.

Gotta love some jazz noir stuff.

[deep pawn]

Like I said, we ended TWW where we started, Alleria is chasing Xalatath

Just minus a Dalaran

[dull sage]

Can't forget we also helped Xal'atath power up for reasons.

[deep pawn]

Because her macguffin got stolen to revive the only thing that could threaten her

[dull sage]

Aye. Imagine if she wasn't trying to be all evil and muwahaha. Dimensius wouldn't be an issue probably.

She caused the issue in the first place and gets powered up for it. It's the definition of failing successfully.

Fission Mailed.

[deep pawn]

I would have loved to play the original TWW I think

[clear apex]

I did really enjoy xal calling me her lil pog champ

[upper pasture]

honestly they coulda made a fight in LoU that was someone fixing the darkheart as we fight them or as we show up and then had an ethereal show up and steal it after we killed them and it would have made the patch 100 times more relevant

[dense plover]

first delve in the story in eversong is still kinda shit

visually a lot better, but still slow af as a tank with valeera as dps

also the ilvl bug with delve gear is back again

im getting REALLY sick of it

especially since questing gear seems locked to 120

this makes more sense now - this is the lead in to harandar

though the quest isnt yet available

[deep pawn]

Sounds more like he goes and tries to do it himself and he'll show back up at the end of the zone?

[dense plover]

he goes off to find orweyna

back in one of the earlier villages

fairbreeze

that was the knowledgable person

i think the part of the eversong questline with arator inside the wathanan crypts is one of the best in recent memory

the puzzles are clever enough to make you think but guided enough for idiots

and theyre logical and fit with the story

and its generally low combat

a nice break from the previous few quest chains

time to see if they made ANY changes to the ending

nope

still shit

i truly hate how one quest can sour you on the entire zone story

and they dont seem to care

this works now

and this covers the story of the other two questlines

[deep pawn]

Ending as in zealous elves decide to massacre Trolls avoiding a fight?

[dense plover]

yes

i still hate it because we just learned the trolls only came into the land to get the lightwood to fight the twilights blade

and instead of us as players trying to stop lorthemar and turalyon we just blindly do what they say

it fucking sucks

takes away all agency and treats us like we are just listening to the story

its going to piss a shit load of people off

and it could be fixed by having us try to stop them, spending time healing the trolls instead, etc

[deep pawn]

Just need a line where we tell them and they go "they lied to you, trolls always lie"

[dense plover]

that doesnt work

we see zuljan kill a cultist in a cutscene

its very blatantly laid out

they have to rewrite that quest

[upper lantern]

I don't really vibe with goblins but it's a serious contender, yeah

[deep pawn]

These are elves, they'd never forgive green skins cutting down wood

I don't expect you'd be allowed to heal them or fight the elves but maybe an option to heal the elves instead

[tulip sun]

At least make it optional to kill. Is the objective "Kill x amount of trolls?"

[deep pawn]

The last time I remember being given an option to not kill stuff was the Lordaeron scenario

[dense plover]

no its put up banners and burn banners

but you end up having to kill trolls because thats how you get to the banners

its designed in a way where it cant just be a simple change unfortunately

[dense plover]

also liadrin heals the trolls, so why cant we help too?

something like arator saying "Champion, I am going to stop my father. Do your best to reduce the collateral damage."

[deep pawn]

Just have enough elf NPCs to hold aggro

Like Dawnbreaker

[dense plover]

that would also work

but right now, its shitty

[deep pawn]

Blizzard's making a big deal about elves holding grudges

Silver Covenant will likely break the treaty with the Amani

[worn crown]

Yeah, I know. BUT the stories we are seeing so far in this "saga" were setup from many different xpacs that had an overall definite beggining and ending
Blizz CAN do a xpac with a contaned narrative AND setup future stories like, you know, they always did

Also, I doubt very much the Undermine plot will serve a setup for anything other the 11.2

[deep pawn]

Just goblins being less evil

[dense plover]

well some good news at least - the atalaman delve works now

[deep pawn]

I still can't believe Blizzard spoiled the next raid again

Next we will find a lightraid icon

[dense plover]

i mean, its more that they left the entire zone in game

[deep pawn]

Some people had hope the raid would be elsewhere

[dense plover]

how? its a large zone

and we dont finish the amani storyline really

makes sense it needs to continue

where would it be?

im also not enjoying the doom and gloom over "troll raid"

its ridiculous

we dont even know what the deal is beyond it existing

[deep pawn]

People are dreading the same flimsy reason as lou

[dense plover]

?

what reason?

[deep pawn]

Just because we're there

[uncut vault]

I talked with one of the devs about it, he's not on the eversong team but he did pass on some feedback at least

atm it seems its all mainly just there as a "this section needs combat gameplay" unfortunately

[dense plover]

i hope so - its fucking infuriating right now

[dense plover]

it doesnt though - we just had a ton

[uncut vault]

my suggestion was to make the objective just "find Arator" in the area where him and Liadrin are

and then the banners are optional if you want to be a sindorei nationalist

[dense plover]

i would prefer that for sure

[uncut vault]

especially since the idea that the combat is "optional" in their minds just isn't true

amani NPCs are placed right next to the banner spots

so you unavoidably have to kill them to do the quest

[dense plover]

yeah thats why i said it isnt optional

[uncut vault]

its a shame because I actually like that the characters are doing this, it's a good flawed opening to the broader three zone stories

[dense plover]

it legit needs to be the blood elves killing the trolls as you run forward to try to stop them

[uncut vault]

it just makes no sense for us to be doing it

[deep pawn]

We didn't do LoU to stop Xal but because we had nothing else we could do and as a favor to Gazlowe

[dense plover]

no evidence that will be the case based on the troll story

its almost certainly a 'we need more allies and you guys are dealing with a second threat'

[uncut vault]

the troll plot atm also pretty much entirely ignores one of their core foundational stories with kith'ix being literally buried underneath their land, afaik

so its very easy to tie a troll patch into the void story

[tulip sun]

Besides the opener I really enjoy what I see in the Zul'aman zone. Just hope in the future we get horde playable forest trolls as unlikely as that is

Zul'jarra is a good character

Snd I am glad to see the Amani story doesnt stop here

[dense plover]

we are getting skin colors

[tulip sun]

Yeah those dont excite me unfortunately. Appreciate the thought ofc, it took dev time.

[deep pawn]

The Amani models aren't playable ready

[tulip sun]

But distinct people's added as customization without story or anything really is a bummer.

[tulip sun]

I think @uncut vault posted about it looking like theyd be relatively simple to do. Or we'll, close to it.

And I know its a pipe dream at this point. But I can hope. Even if they dont, I would appreciate them adding something for the revantusk lorewise being around more. Like how the darkfallen and Man'ari have story and presence in things now. Compared to storyless customization like Farraki. (Sorry, rant over)

[dull sage]

https://housing.wowdb.com/tools/floorplan/ They added a floorplan maker. 👀

[tropic trail]

Loading screens are very nice 😊

[light compass]

there is a classic quest in which is it even stated that he was indeed part of the dark horde...i guess they are referencing this one, not potential retcons in books or such stuff

[austere gazelle]

I heard something about change on the catalyst in midnight, like they wanted to avoid player to wait for a better pieces of gear to use the cataclyst and that the gear that was catalysed could be upgraded in exchange to an higher piece later on , is that true ?

[upper pasture]

Once you earn 4pc bonus your character will be able to earn extra charges through end game activities like how we can earn charges now in turbo boost

As it stands right now it’s per character and won’t change

[little hound]

Okay so, what dumb shit is this xD ?

[upper pasture]

It’s plant protein

Probably a cooking recipe

[dense plover]

it definitely is

no idea about the vegetarian tag thing yet

[deep pawn]

there's vegetarian and non vegetarian recipes

both are equal

similar to how the various recipes in TWW worked

[upper pasture]

Probably for RP reasons

[deep pawn]

and the fact we have an entire zone with 0 animals

[deep pawn]

weird, the system isn't letting me mix bnet balance and other payments this time

[meager warren]

Contact support

[deep pawn]

eh, I had to not use a saved scard lol

weird UI issue lol

[meager warren]

Oof

[deep pawn]

had to update my billing zip code lol

State laws are silly

NC charges tax even when using balance, SC does not.

[clear apex]

ptr updated again

[autumn relic]

ptr server are up

[clear apex]

time to crash them!

[autumn relic]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-oh-yeah-spongebob-panty-raid-gif-8681695682581123153

[clear apex]

guys, why are my toons naked?

[rain cave]

getting hot in here..

[clear apex]

ptr said, no clothes

[lavish raptor]

give them some privacy

[clear apex]

housing absolutely broke for me in the temp guild

went inside, went back out, house gone. plot no longer says its own but i still own a house

[pulsar minnow]

It didn’t send right but Mrgm noticed that now bosses portraits are hand drawn rather than just the model

At least for the raid

[deep pawn]

two aoe fights as the penultimates of that raid? uh oh lol

[upper pasture]

Eh?

[lavish raptor]

One of them might be a "separate them" fight!

[upper pasture]

Vaelgor and ezzorak might be two or 3 phase fight or a separate apart fight

[deep pawn]

Generally I know those fights don't get appreciated late in a tier.

I know that's technically supposed to be fights 4 and 5 out of 9 but still placed such that they shouldn't be pushovers with week 1 gear

But think of how people remember SLG, duo boss of Nerub'ar, Duo boss of Sepulcher, Broodkeeper in Vault.

[young hawk]

Was she alway like this?

[young hawk]

Nice slutmog

[dense plover]

other than the resolution and detail, yes

[upper pasture]

I think maybe the eyes are greener now

[dense plover]

she mightve had this model since legion or bfa actually

[young hawk]

Weird she is the only blood elf loyal to the family of Varian and anduin

[dense plover]

yeah BfA

thats when she was updated

this was her OG model but it never matched the art

in 8.2.5 they updated the model to match her art

[young hawk]

Of hearthstone

[dense plover]

nope - not hearthstone. This is from TBC

its essentially her original art

this was her first appearance

[dense plover]

the art i posted predates that one

[upper pasture]

Simply the story blizzard chooses to tell

[young hawk]

But the lore comic of them meet together at the arena pit

Yes these are the new officials art from the card game

[deep pawn]

Not even the skimpiest version they've had for her lol

[young hawk]

Isn’t that hero of the storm?

[upper pasture]

The “card art” isn’t bound by the same rule of lore as the main game

[young hawk]

True

[dense plover]

her current outfit is her canon outfit

[upper pasture]

So it’s a moot point lol

[dense plover]

its been her canon outfit since 2006

[upper pasture]

Basically her introduction

[dense plover]

and again, her model was updated like 4 years ago

they just did a really good job

so they dont need to do it again

meanwhile - Lothraxion's model feels dated

[deep pawn]

it is, but it's an example that Valeera has been skimpy for a while.

[young hawk]

Then is this cannon?

[deep pawn]

Ironic since it's "new" I hate the open mouth

[upper pasture]

As you were told the other day this is AI art

[young hawk]

I am just kidding

[dense plover]

can you stop posting AI slop though?

[young hawk]

I’m joking I’m joking

[dense plover]

it isnt funny

its just weird

[young hawk]

Ok no more Ai

[dense plover]

i mean, its his legion model

except the wings

[deep pawn]

I thought it was using the new shadowlands base

[dense plover]

just the wings i think?

maybe the hooves too?

the armor and face seem unchanged afaict

[young hawk]

I find this in Warcraft meme

On facebook

I don’t know this from shadowland

[dense plover]

youre right-ish

the skeleton has changed so the pose is different

including the slightly open mouth

but the model is the same as the OG

OG

new - ignore the lighting

i cant turn that off

the armor is much lower res than even the grass in silvermoon

its very noticable

i have to assume they made him a cinematic model

they should reuse that

[deep pawn]

He dies fast so whatever haha

[proper palm]

They always kill the good characters :c

[worn crown]

I think he will be back - he's a dreadlord after all

Either to resume his light crusade or to go "hahah, actually I was scheming all the time!"

[rain cave]

It looks fine to me I don’t see the low res nes

His new model is higher res, but I think it’s more like they used the original texture somebody hand painted before scaling it down

Because it isn’t a new texture, just a higher resolution version of the same thing

[clear apex]

what is daylight circle room??

are they going to give us courtyard?

[dense plover]

Maybe? It isn’t fully implemented yet

[clear apex]

Housing seems buggier than last time. I've had to put in like 10 bug reports

[dense plover]

lol, its definitely better

its just that stuff you literally couldnt do is possible now

but it is definitely buggy af

no way they get this ready by Dec 2

I went to dye furniture yesterday and after a minute it just completely disappeared, and its not even in my inventory now

[clear apex]

really? I had my entire house disappear. For hours it wouldnt show up and said I couldnt move plots because I owned one. Which did not happen last time
I dyed a door and it entirely disappeared after I went into 'live' mode.
I cant delete the empty stairwell room at all

Did not have these issues last time

So yes, it is worse for me than it was last time.

And to add, I am missing most my furniture. If I go to a vendor it says I own X amount of items, none of these show up in my inventory

[dense plover]

thats been happening on alpha since alpha 2

i still cant bring my horde house back after relinquishing it

[dense plover]

make sure you dont have filters on

or that youre not in a category

[deep pawn]

Some items are just missing

Was the same case in the last ptr test too

[clear apex]

Housing ptr is up until Monday btw.
It's not posted in the news here

It's been up the last couple hours

[dense plover]

i hope they put this fix on alpha

its been a problem for a WHILE

nope :/

[dense plover]

decided to do a goofy sidequest - look whos back!

looks like normal murlocs vs deepfin murlocs

this is because i did the zone on my account before i think

very far

seems to be a bit buggy

good thing its alpha

or not

the button doesnt work

nvm yes iut does

harvest option

super broken

wont even let me in

seems like an evolution of radiant echoes that is more structured and isnt all "kill things now"

also the chapter story for zulaman is in

as i suspected, this was the first zone they worked on

thats why it uses existing music as placeholder

[clear apex]

Sorry to interrupt but it does appear we can get an interior skybox for our house
From wowkea discord

[dense plover]

its WIP

and cant be accessed legitimately

its unclear exactly what the deal is

[austere gazelle]

True but when you're on alpha you have a chance to discover more bug than when you're in beta though, and I personnaly would never screenshot all of this to keep them on a personal folder for me to boast later lol

[clear apex]

In the housing dashboard i posted yesterday it says daylight circular room, I'm assuming that what that is?

Some people were able to progress through the rep

[dense plover]

Yes

[dense plover]

Oh they must’ve fixed that then

They said housing was locked to level 2 earlier this week

[clear apex]

The only oopsie i know of was a room where you could delete the ceiling and see a starry sky

But that makes me think they're adding a nighttime skybox

[dense plover]

There is an evening circular room

You can see it in the rep list

[clear apex]

this makes me happy

[dense plover]

I said it was WIP because it doesn’t have a sprite, which implies it isn’t finished yet

[clear apex]

I didn't check all. The reps

[dense plover]

It’s the housing XP menu

[clear apex]

One of my biggest asks was for interior sky boxes for courtyards and I'm honestly shocked they're being thought of and somewhat implemented already

That saves so much decor for not needing to make fake environments

Just need open windows now, but that will be easy enough to make on your own

[dense plover]

I want them to let you give each room music

Idk if that will ever happen

[clear apex]

They did similar in garrisons, don't see why they can't try

And elder scrolls online managed such

You can use music boxes that you only hear while in the room

[young hawk]

New thanksgiving

[upper pasture]

All these are on the live servers now in the trading post, why post them in the ptr channel?

[young hawk]

Oh shit they are?

Whelp I’m an idiot

[upper pasture]

Did you not get all the SS from the Nov trading post….post?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/november-2025-trading-post-rewards-a-bountiful-thing-379076?utm_source=discord-webhook this post

[young hawk]

Oh shit I miss that thanks man @upper pasture

[quaint raven]

My Puzzle House is now open for everyone who wants to try the challenge. Make your way to 51 Iron Boar Cliffs, Good Luck!

[quaint raven]

made a clip of it instead

https://youtu.be/R7BHf017X7E

[glass flicker]

So, I got into the beta without pre-purchasing Midnight. Do I need to do it to actually gain access?

They're being very vague about the requirements.

[lavish raptor]

the preorder is guaranteed access

[glass flicker]

Oh, so it's like buying your way in?

[lavish raptor]

basically lol

you can get free beta access if youre selected

[glass flicker]

That clarifies things. And I hope you're right.

[deep pawn]

Beta invites haven't gone out for anyone yet

[glass flicker]

Really? I got an email.

[lavish raptor]

what does it say specifically

[glass flicker]

One sec.

[upper pasture]

It’s the email informing you that beta starts on Nov 11th lol

[glass flicker]

This one, yeah. So it's not an invite?

Well, that's confusing and annoying.

[upper pasture]

No, it’s not an invite. It even tells you to pre purchase for your opportunity to join in

[glass flicker]

I see. No wonder my brother was flexing on me with it, saying he got in. Everyone got this.

[ember blaze]

does the collectors box not give u a code to put in before it ships? 🤔

now im concerned i wont even get to play early access

[pulsar minnow]

The code for the game edition is in the box

But for beta it might be different

Iirc for TWW they sent out codes for beta access to those who didn’t have their CE’s yet

[ember blaze]

what about early access?

this is the first box ive bought

i can live without beta

but i want my 3 day start

[pulsar minnow]

So in my experience the CE’s arrive during pre patch

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-17474838830648097856

[pulsar minnow]

I got my War Within box in July and the expansion launched August

So hopefully, assuming things work out like they did last time- it’ll be there on time. That said i wonder if things will work out any different since there’s also housing early access

[ember blaze]

oh yeah that too

thanks for the info tho

[pulsar minnow]

Np

[upper pasture]

Usually the CE boxes arrive before the expansion

If you are that concerned you can always buy the digital edition as you’d get the refund back to your account after you add the code but you’d only be able to spend it on blizzard stuff

[ember blaze]

yeah i didnt want to spend $300

[deep pawn]

You can Google what they did for TWW.

[austere gazelle]

The concern here is that it's amazon that handle the delivery, and not the blizzard store, concerning the beta and stuff, rest assured, a french gaming journalist asked Amazon and amazon did say they'll send key by next week for beta.

But I'm on the idea that selling the CE without the base game would be less of an headache than all of this mess

They did it with diablo ( which was senseless ) but they could do it with wow, which make more sense for an mmo

[rain cave]

Or just having the CE unlock the game digitally for you before it’s delivered

[upper pasture]

Yup, if you buy the CE they should just presend the code digitally and that would solve a lot of problems

[thin warren]

i doubt to buy the CE, it would be the first time in 23 years that i don't buy the CE

[upper pasture]

I wish I took better care of my boxes that I bought earlier in life lol, I straight up threw away the MoP and WoD ones and I didn’t care enough about the game for the first 4

Maybe I bought the Cata one but it probably also got thrown away without a care lol

[thin warren]

Ohmy

[worn crown]

This area between EP and Ghostlands, with a border on the map, but with no name, always intrigued me

For those in alpha, does it stay the same or is it changed/used now?

[pulsar minnow]

not in alpha but its just stratholme

[upper pasture]

Isn’t that supposed to be stratholme?

[quartz lintel]

I'm surprised WoWHead hasn't written an article about the presence mounts tagged "paladin" linked to Void Elves and Kul Tirans.

[pulsar minnow]

its likely because it could be just intended for npcs

There's a void elf paladin and kul tiran paladin npc in the story already- one was apart of the Tyrsguard storyline

[quartz lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-ragdoll-police-fail-hurt-gif-16557095

give me kt paladin

[upper pasture]

it's still something they could write up tho, how we "could be" getting these classes on these races or the more logical answer of it's just an NPC spell

[glass fulcrum]

Void elf paladins before undead would go crazy

[dull sage]

I'd say a Void Elf Paladin would likely explode, but we have Velf Priests.

[upper pasture]

explode? naw. implode? yeah.

[dull sage]

Implode like Pacman.

[ember blaze]

Yeah but considering it takes them 20 years to decide on a mount... if they put in the work for those 2 races then..... paladin kultiran/void elf confirmed

[pulsar minnow]

problem is that the Starcursed Voidstrider is already a mount

and the Waycrest Gryphon is too

So I wouldn't call them Paladin mounts... yet. I still have hope they're gonna expand paladin options later on in the expansion

[ember blaze]

just slap yellow on them

but again, 20 years for that too

like dracthyr got those racial horses. just slap some yellow armor and done

[dull sage]

It is a shiny mount, the Velf one.

Although maybe it'll be like the Phoenix boss in March where it can swirl light and void or something.

[lavish raptor]

i think theyd be more likely to add a horde race/class combo (alongside velf dh) in midnight instead of giving alliance three new class race combos

[uncut vault]

[lavish raptor]

actually

i changed my mind. i did math and horde have 3 more class combos than alliance by my count

lmk if my math is wrong

[glass flicker]

This is incorrect. Dracthyr can't be Monks.

[lavish raptor]

thanks for pointing that out. though that wouldnt change the overall difference kek

[glass flicker]

That's true.

[lavish raptor]

also we should have dracthyr monk

[glass flicker]

I agree with that. I'd totally race change my main, if that were the case.

She's got the slit eyes. Humans don't have that customization option. Elf ears, though? Yes.

[lavish raptor]

dracs can only have 7 classes lmao

[glass flicker]

Sad, isn't it?