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rain cave Oct 8, 2025, 12:49 PM

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it's not especially detailed compared to other games

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just WoW being old AND an mmo we wouldn't be able to feasibly have it

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something interesting after replaying some legion DK stuff, is that the lich king straight up at the start goes "lets go hunt some dreadlords"

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which considering the eventual reveals in shadowlands feels like funnily aged lore to me

worn crown Oct 8, 2025, 2:16 PM

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I think it is funny (maybe curious is the right word?) that Blizz has different philosophies for different classes:

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For example, Frost DK just got a rework in Ghosts of K'aresh that gave us THREE new buttons: one that gives a guaranteed Killing Machine proc (which is great) and an AoE "Obliterate" (Frostscythe is mandatory now) and an AoE "Frost Strike" (Glacial Advance is baseline now). Apparently this design goes on to Midnight.

Meanwhile, Havoc DH, which in live has the pretty much same rotation for ST and AoE (unless you go Aldrachi Reaver hero tree), will lose access/option to THREE skills in Midnight: Sigil of Flame, Sigil of Spite and Fel Eruption (which is stun/utility!!!).

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Go figure...

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Ofc, Havoc do not have all talents yet, but these active abilities are gone

rain cave Oct 8, 2025, 2:22 PM

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worn crown For example, Frost DK just got a rework in Ghosts of K'aresh that gave us THREE ...

to be faiirrr

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sigil of flame doesn't really have a fit in havoc

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that was originally a vengeance ability, and it fits with vengeance way more

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and sigils as a whole imo

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it's like how blood dk has gorefiend grasp

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tanks get more utility because they're tanks

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I do think havoc DH desperately needs to have its jank movement stuff removed or fixed

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and given maybe just something else to build towards

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because I think it's genuinely the most basic builder spender

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you don't even have an AOE option available to you all the time

ember blaze Oct 8, 2025, 5:05 PM

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worn crown For example, Frost DK just got a rework in Ghosts of K'aresh that gave us THREE ...

they wanna make vengeance the sigil user no?

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but overall utility got pruned didnt it

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exception being evokers keeping everything lol

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i wonder if theyre a lil late on them

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 5:14 PM

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ember blaze but overall utility got pruned didnt it

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utility wasnt pruned pretty much at all

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all they are pruning is the abilities where you use them to let you use other abilities

austere gazelle Oct 8, 2025, 5:28 PM

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rain cave I do think havoc DH desperately needs to have its jank movement stuff removed or...

it does need it. Movement should just be movement, not an ability tied in a dps rotation. Maybe felblade and VR can be kept but even those two are problematic

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It would also solve the wonky boss encounter where you cant move and thus can't dps

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( I'm looking at you, sludgefist HM )

austere gazelle Oct 8, 2025, 5:30 PM

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rain cave you don't even have an AOE option available to you all the time

most of our skills are AOE / cleave ... -_-

long raven Oct 8, 2025, 5:31 PM

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i understand they wanna add native "addons" to game to make it easier for all players - thats okay, understandable
but on the other hand, why dont they let all the addons useable like before? whats the point of making them unavailable?

austere gazelle Oct 8, 2025, 5:33 PM

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The issue rn is that , as far as I know, the Havoc rework is not even finished, because with all the utility, sigil and stuff removed, Aldrachi Reaver cannot work anymore unless it's fixed. All the soul generation talent are for vengeance, sigil of flame that triggered Student of suffering for fel scarred is no more... and it was a mastery boost for DPS... I don't even know how it can work anymore. Without soul generation, you don't have reaver glaive, without reaver glaive, all the Aldrachi Heroc spec is impossible to play.

rain cave Oct 8, 2025, 5:42 PM

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austere gazelle The issue rn is that , as far as I know, the Havoc rework is not even finished, ...

I do not understand why they decided to give aldrachi to vengeance, when it naturally fits the other two better

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Ik name wise it fits veng because artifact but mechanically it’s weird

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For annihilation it could have been the more melee swapping hero choice, and for havoc the more glaive oriented choice

ionic terrace Oct 8, 2025, 8:18 PM

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new alpha build

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 8:27 PM

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yup

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hopefully fixing the gear drops and maybe housing exterior customization?

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new zone either way

deep pawn Oct 8, 2025, 8:29 PM

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I'm more concerned with them adding more hero and apex talents

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 8:30 PM

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oh yeah - they also need to finish the DH class tree lol

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https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24240394/in-development-phase-two-of-the-midnight-alpha

In Development: Phase Two of the Midnight Alpha

Phase two of the Midnight Alpha is here and with it, players in the test will be able to level from 83 to 88, explore the Zul’Aman zone, and more.

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no specific dev notes yet

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ember blaze Oct 8, 2025, 8:39 PM

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the queen is back

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and she brings the bard class

lone mantle Oct 8, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Visions of Shadowed Sun. 🌒

autumn dagger Oct 8, 2025, 8:52 PM

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dense plover

she sounds like she's been through STUFF

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(more stuff than she's already been through)

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 8:53 PM

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we dont fully know the circumstances

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i assume we visit her in the maw to check on her

autumn dagger Oct 8, 2025, 8:53 PM

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yea

uncut vault Oct 8, 2025, 9:00 PM

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dense plover i assume we visit her in the maw to check on her

With Arator, yes

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:01 PM

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servers are up - housing may crash your game

autumn dagger Oct 8, 2025, 9:01 PM

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uncut vault With Arator, yes

can you post screenshots or anything regarding this?

uncut vault Oct 8, 2025, 9:02 PM

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No screenshots, just some NPC triggers

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:02 PM

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still no official dev notes

uncut vault Oct 8, 2025, 9:02 PM

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we'll be going with Arator to K'aresh and the Maw in addition to the Dalaran stuff with Vereesa

autumn dagger Oct 8, 2025, 9:02 PM

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ah cool

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:05 PM

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dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:24 PM

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people in the arcantina!

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the chairs work now

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nothing here otherwise

elfin eagle Oct 8, 2025, 9:32 PM

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Zul aman is the zone im most curious about

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Harandar and void I can get the gist

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:34 PM

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elfin eagle Zul aman is the zone im most curious about

good thing thats the focus this week

elfin eagle Oct 8, 2025, 9:35 PM

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dense plover good thing thats the focus this week

Yeah that’s why I commented

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Cause Zul is a mix of both old and completely new

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 9:46 PM

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so many sound alert options now

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welp cant get to silvermoon with the portal

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guess i gotta do this manually

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oh its because im desynced

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relogging fixed it

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reset stuff that i had to redo so i logged off to make sure it sticks

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welp - guess theyre definitely out allies for now

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zulaman delve - right inside the entrance gate

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atalaman

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sorry

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story description is almost certainly a placeholder or temporary

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tried to load - DCed

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oh

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servers crashed

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😬 hope that wasnt my fault

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they mightve been taken offline to deploy a housing fix

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since they had to completely close housing off

lavish raptor Oct 8, 2025, 10:30 PM

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dense plover

Atal'blin? Gob'aman?

dense plover Oct 8, 2025, 10:33 PM

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lavish raptor Atal'blin? Gob'aman?

again, definitely a placeholder or temp story

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 1:38 AM

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another beta build

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should fix housing

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:02 AM

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exterior customization for housing is in and working

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screenshots shortly

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yaasssss

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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first area of the zone has a sub area - which i assume lines up with the raid?

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roughly?

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it has music

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yeah it looks like the dungeon in retail

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Bigger maybe?

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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but i think its old music?

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probably going to be the hub for the zone once we clear the bad guys out

tulip sun Oct 9, 2025, 2:08 AM

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Eager to see the story

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:13 AM

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cool visuals in the zone from this nasty ogre

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ok got to FP - checking out housing changes

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:14 AM

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That's really cool

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:14 AM

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neighborhood vendors are working!

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:16 AM

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murloc eyeshake

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I can't wait to see all the new videos that will get put out

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:17 AM

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vendor 2

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vendor 3

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vendor 4

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vendor 5 - this guy has a lot

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:27 AM

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All that elven stuff is so nice

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 2:31 AM

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ignore the float - plot height is broken

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these are all the options i have right now

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 2:36 AM

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That's neat!

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 3:03 AM

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did some decorating - stuffs a bit broken still - scale is a bit wonky on some stuff, some items can be placed a bit outside the plot and my plot grid is messed up so i cant place things without using advanced mode (same reason my house is floating)

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rustic cliff Oct 9, 2025, 3:29 AM

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Are you able to ctrl+click housing items in vendors to see them full size, like with mounts and armor?

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 6:44 AM

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rustic cliff Are you able to ctrl+click housing items in vendors to see them full size, like ...

not yet but that is planned

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they JUST added a WIP catalog that shows all available items and i think is supposed to show where to get them

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but its VERY WIP

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like, full of lua errors and doesnt really work yet

lone mantle Oct 9, 2025, 8:26 AM

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dense plover

The houses on the Horde plots resemble porta-potties quite closely. I almost feel bad for the Horde. dracthyr_cry

deep pawn Oct 9, 2025, 8:30 AM

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Let's just say Belf and neutral exteriors will be more popular

austere gazelle Oct 9, 2025, 10:50 AM

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lone mantle The houses on the Horde plots resemble porta-potties quite closely. I almost fee...

as lady waycrest said, they are made of dung

summer star Oct 9, 2025, 12:29 PM

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The Real N’zoth (@therealnzoth.bsky.social)

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tulip sun Oct 9, 2025, 12:33 PM

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RIP

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Guess the Revantusk got absolutely wrecked

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<ref name=Lil>{{text|says|Lilaju|We Revantusk lost our elders an' our village because of the Twilight's Blade, including me grandfaddah. I lead the Revantusk now.}}</ref>

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 5:18 PM

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oh HELL YEAH

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housing test next week

deep pawn Oct 9, 2025, 11:00 PM

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I'm still not sure how I feel about Blizzard thinking Remix can carry almost all of retail for the next 3 months

warm topaz Oct 9, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Housing coming on Dec 2

deep pawn Oct 9, 2025, 11:11 PM

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If you preorder. I just don't like remix replacing current expansion content I guess

rain cave Oct 9, 2025, 11:12 PM

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deep pawn If you preorder. I just don't like remix replacing current expansion content I g...

would you have preferred a season 4 with reused raids?

autumn dagger Oct 9, 2025, 11:12 PM

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I mean you can go play smth else in the meantime

autumn dagger Oct 9, 2025, 11:12 PM

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rain cave would you have preferred a season 4 with reused raids?

I liked s4...

rain cave Oct 9, 2025, 11:12 PM

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autumn dagger I liked s4...

which is ok

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I'm just saying that is most likely the alternative to remix

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because remix can't really run alongside normal content

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otherwise they'd conflict the playerbase on what to do

autumn dagger Oct 9, 2025, 11:14 PM

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yeah

deep pawn Oct 9, 2025, 11:14 PM

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I already feel like remix has massively hurt retail. My guild group barely got together this week

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Its probably because legion wasn't as nostalgic for me as MoP but I'm having a lot less fun

dense plover Oct 9, 2025, 11:31 PM

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I’m having a blast

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Legion was one of my favorites and I really enjoyed MoP remix

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If you are on heroic, try not doing that

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I don’t find heroic to be very fun while leveling

clear apex Oct 9, 2025, 11:41 PM

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i kind of feel the same as Kyle. Im not as nostalgic for legion. MoP felt a little more exciting to be in

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Really just using it for leveling since I own most of the raid/dungeon sets and some of the mounts

pulsar minnow Oct 10, 2025, 12:27 AM

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Well i mean legion remix literally just came out. People are gonna be grinding the shit out of it so they can get their mounts and transmogs

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Once that’s done people will go back to retail. It’s at least something to do versus the old cadence of an 8 month content drought

uncut vault Oct 10, 2025, 12:30 AM

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Blizzard disabling far sight on the alpha is mean lmao

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I just wanted to look at the high elf hub

dense plover Oct 10, 2025, 12:40 AM

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uncut vault I just wanted to look at the high elf hub

theyre hiding the patch zone lol

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(not really)

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 12:44 AM

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I mean I get why they aren't hiding it because an island like that doesn't make sense to suddenly appear

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But I'm so sad we aren't going to Azuremyst in 12.1

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I don't remember how early into Legion we knew about Return to the Broken Shore and Tomb of Sargeras.

dense plover Oct 10, 2025, 12:45 AM

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launch

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we knew we would return to the broken shore

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tomb came a bit later maybe?

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 12:46 AM

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So there's precedence to have the patch zone visible at launch

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I'm curious how the hell fel, plague, or venom is going to feel like a pressing threat if the Sunwell gets broken after March

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Cause clearly we aren't beating Xal in season 1.

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I agree they'll need a void break, but there's a lot of work for me to buy a loa or some trolls to be on par with Xal and the Dark Heart

dense plover Oct 10, 2025, 12:58 AM

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deep pawn So there's precedence to have the patch zone visible at launch

tbf, patch zone changed pretty significantly

zealous sedge Oct 10, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Oh I can’t wait to test out some housing on the ptr

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I’m curious with 11.2.7 if it will come with crafting too?

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For housing items

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Never mind it says it in the post

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:07 AM

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dense plover tbf, patch zone changed pretty significantly

They have less leeway this time since 12.1 will be on ptr by July or something

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I'm surprised that Blizzard hadn't decided on the talents we're getting by July

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I guess getting the reworks done first did take priority

zealous sedge Oct 10, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Apex talents?

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I still don’t really know how it’s gonna work I gotta read up on it lol

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:13 AM

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I'm sure they were discussing what power to give players each level but it still feels weird they hadn't decided as recent as 2 months before reveal

zealous sedge Oct 10, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Yeah it’s a little weird for sure

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I remember when they announced hero talents they were pretty consistent with pumping out the skill trees

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I’m assuming stuff will come out as more phases unlock in alpha

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:17 AM

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Apex talents will be fully in by phase 4 and I would hope hero talents too

zealous sedge Oct 10, 2025, 1:19 AM

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As I understand we get the 10 points and we can spend them in any tree?

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:31 AM

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No

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You get 3 class, 4 spec, 3 hero

dense plover Oct 10, 2025, 1:35 AM

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deep pawn I'm sure they were discussing what power to give players each level but it still...

not implemented =/= not decided

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they still need to actually code stuff and implement and decide if its fun internally

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:36 AM

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At the very least it wasn't named before Scarizard left

dense plover Oct 10, 2025, 1:38 AM

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well, realistically those are left to each class design lead probably

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:41 AM

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They don't have class leads. The current lead class designer keeps a lot quieter profile than Holinka did.

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I just figured 2 months before reveal they'd have had a more solid idea of the major combat additions to an expansion lol

ember blaze Oct 10, 2025, 1:47 AM

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deep pawn I already feel like remix has massively hurt retail. My guild group barely got t...

.5 together with turbo boost was dumb

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it should have remained a final patch thing leading up to the pre patch

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 1:47 AM

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You mean this season or season 2?

ember blaze Oct 10, 2025, 1:48 AM

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remix

clear apex Oct 10, 2025, 1:50 AM

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I certainly don't feel as powerful/ broken as i did in mop remix

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I'm hoping they'll change it some

ember blaze Oct 10, 2025, 1:52 AM

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clear apex I certainly don't feel as powerful/ broken as i did in mop remix

theres timegating so

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 2:11 AM

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I feel decently strong as a tank

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I'm not even 600 ilvl yet

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I don't like power scaling being tied to doing lore master though

clear apex Oct 10, 2025, 2:14 AM

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In mop well before max it felt strong. Even as low as lv30. But this feels not much different than retail

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 2:14 AM

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I did Loremaster in original Legion

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Eh, at least with details I felt strong as a tank

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A solid 30-50% of my kit is the artifact traits

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New alts won't feel as op this time

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Because you don't start off any stronger

spare glacier Oct 10, 2025, 5:12 AM

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🤣🤣🤣

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glass flicker Oct 10, 2025, 6:58 AM

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I love this.

lone mantle Oct 10, 2025, 7:00 AM

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Remarkable creature.

austere gazelle Oct 10, 2025, 7:12 AM

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dense plover I don’t find heroic to be very fun while leveling

Depend on ur class. I have little issue with my dh. Except for those legion emissary popping on obelisks

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Undertuned mobs that one shot everything

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 7:19 AM

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I am missing the effects we got in mop remix

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The artifact powers aren’t that interesting

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Feels kinda weird that my Dks best ability afaik is the life one where you summon a stampede

quartz lintel Oct 10, 2025, 10:28 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=253089/illidan-stormrage

Wowhead

Illidan Stormrage

Illidan Stormrage is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Midnight. Always up to date.

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 11:54 AM

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quartz lintel https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=253089/illidan-stormrage

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Interesting if they’re bringing him back so soon even if it is less direct

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Like him trying to send a message through to us as a B plot

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I was fully expecting him to come falling from the sky like a shooting star in tlt, burnt up and broken

austere gazelle Oct 10, 2025, 2:25 PM

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I think it'll be more like he's coming as a warning and a tease of burning legion / titans.

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I almost expect the return of Denathrius as the new master of the BL ( before sargeras is released )

worn crown Oct 10, 2025, 2:46 PM

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Ohhh, I hope Sylvanas and Illidan at least chat during Midnight or TLT!!! 🤩

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Missed opportunity during Legion

austere gazelle Oct 10, 2025, 2:57 PM

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I'm quite confused about what the Titanforged are doing right now.

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I mean... Odyn was a bit involved into defending Azeroth during Legion, but none of the titans construct are here to defend Azeroth from the void ?

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Could it be that Xal ultimate goal is NOT to corrupt Azeroth, but to threaten her enough for the titans to come down and wreck them ?

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Which would explain why Iridikron sided with her to begin with ( since I don't think he would agree with the full corruption of Azeroth )

clear apex Oct 10, 2025, 3:05 PM

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Maybe "the last titan" is the only surviving one after she kills them all. That could be fun

fathom fulcrum Oct 10, 2025, 3:06 PM

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yooooooo I need that Vereesa fit

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 3:12 PM

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worn crown Ohhh, I hope Sylvanas and Illidan at least *chat* during Midnight or TLT!!! 🤩

They deserve one crossover action sequence

clear apex Oct 10, 2025, 3:12 PM

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I hope they kill each other 8|

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Instead it'll be "oh sylvanas we've moved on and learned forgiveness, come live in belameth"

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 3:13 PM

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The amount a fan service that could be condensed into sylvanas and illidan fighting a horde of void or titan stuff is insane

pulsar minnow Oct 10, 2025, 4:41 PM

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quartz lintel https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=253089/illidan-stormrage

Might be for lorewalking

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 4:47 PM

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I mean the Sunwell exists because of the vials he took

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We'll know whenever 11.2.7 ptr comes up cause that'll have the Quel'thalas history

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 5:42 PM

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deep pawn I mean the Sunwell exists because of the vials he took

And in a way they’re both victims of the dreadlords plans

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In a long form convoluted way

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 8:10 PM

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changing the defaults to A and D after 21 years feels weird

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I know it's bad but I don't wanna switch, I'm used to it

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 8:19 PM

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deep pawn changing the defaults to A and D after 21 years feels weird

Huh wdym

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 8:25 PM

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"Default behaviors for A and D have been changed from turning to strafe. On login, existing players may be prompted with a choice to set their movement keys to use strafe or keep them to turn their character."

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I presume the new tutorial will teach camera turning

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 9:02 PM

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deep pawn "Default behaviors for A and D have been changed from turning to strafe. On logi...

Huh, default is turning?!

deep pawn Oct 10, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Always has been

rain cave Oct 10, 2025, 9:44 PM

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deep pawn Always has been

can't imagine playing with tank controls like that 😭

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must have blocked it out of my memory

lone mantle Oct 10, 2025, 11:16 PM

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I think the Devourer Demon Hunter is pretty interesting.

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:35 PM

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When did alleria become ranger general as wowhead mentioned it again but I could of sworn she was never one ?

tulip sun Oct 10, 2025, 11:38 PM

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She briefly was between the mother and sylvanas wasnt she?

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:38 PM

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Nah she never got it because she is a poor shot

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It went to someone else no ?

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Halduron Brightwing

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Is the current one

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:41 PM

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tulip sun She briefly was between the mother and sylvanas wasnt she?

There is another alleria the mother but that is not our alleria though

last orchid Oct 10, 2025, 11:41 PM

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stable dome Nah she never got it because she is a poor shot

She never got it because she abdicated on her own terms

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:41 PM

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So why did the wowhead article call her ranger general then in the recent one

last orchid Oct 10, 2025, 11:44 PM

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stable dome So why did the wowhead article call her ranger general then in the recent one

Only her portrait for Midnight pre-order is named that

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She only was Ranger Captain of Quel'thalas

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Mb she's ranger general of something else??.. (like Vereesa is RG of Silver Covenant)

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Yeah so how do we make it know to the author of the article it's a mistake ?

upper pasture Oct 10, 2025, 11:46 PM

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possibly things happen between the launch of midnight and the raid fight that she takes up the title, i'm assuming the raid journal is what you are talking about

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:46 PM

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I mean the only alleria that is RG is the mother of the sisters

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Hmm yeah @upper pasture
That be a poor mistake given she is a poor shot and disobeys her king

upper pasture Oct 10, 2025, 11:47 PM

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i mean, she's not a poor shot anymore /shrug

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:47 PM

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She missed a shot that if sylvanas would of took would not have missed

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And could of prevented everything that happened

upper pasture Oct 10, 2025, 11:48 PM

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and then we'd have no expansion nor developing story. how fun that would have been

stable dome Oct 10, 2025, 11:51 PM

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I mean we could a calm before a storm expansion ( like DF but even so )

uncut vault Oct 10, 2025, 11:59 PM

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PTR went down right as I got to Sylvanas

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https://tenor.com/view/hellfire-skeleton-magma-hell-inferno-gif-13228999402859807274

Tenor

tulip sun Oct 11, 2025, 12:04 AM

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uncut vault PTR went down right as I got to Sylvanas

Noooooooo. Ive been reloading your page like crazy 😂

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Do you think you'll do the panda heritage after?

little hound Oct 11, 2025, 12:04 AM

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uncut vault PTR went down right as I got to Sylvanas

What ?!

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Where can i see it

uncut vault Oct 11, 2025, 12:04 AM

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tulip sun Do you think you'll do the panda heritage after?

Tomorrow, probably

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gonna do the Midnight intro on alpha first

little hound Oct 11, 2025, 12:05 AM

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I must see da Lady

uncut vault Oct 11, 2025, 12:05 AM

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little hound I must see da Lady

I've got all the Sylvanas bits of the questline starting here https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1976790780619768321

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Sylvanas time baybee

lone mantle Oct 11, 2025, 12:06 AM

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dracthyr_comfy_sip

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 12:14 AM

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Watch Blizzard be the Titans are the Olympians who overthrew the first ones haha

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I do agree the first ones seem oddly ordered for a group that was above all forces

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I still don't believe the Titans are actually the order pantheon but more on the level of old gods

lone mantle Oct 11, 2025, 12:20 AM

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Titan Order is unnatural compared to the Celestial balance.

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 12:26 AM

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That's not what Sylvanas is suggesting here

pulsar minnow Oct 11, 2025, 12:29 AM

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My personal idea is Azeroth is the real “First One” who created these forces but let them figure their own selves out.

Aman’thul being a dick organized a conspiracy to overthrow her resulting in her going into hiding where she was then found and contained within the worldcore

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lone mantle Oct 11, 2025, 12:47 AM

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deep pawn That's not what Sylvanas is suggesting here

I speak of an ancient power, one that thrived long before the titans set foot upon creation.

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 1:15 AM

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My only problem is the tech of the Zereths is unlike anything the Titans have done in reality nor do they use music like the First Ones or Azeroth/K'aresh

autumn dagger Oct 11, 2025, 2:02 AM

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Is ptr still down?

stable dome Oct 11, 2025, 2:59 AM

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lone mantle <:dracthyr_comfy_sip:1002363120884404255>

Is she saying death is usually chaotic and not ordered

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 3:19 AM

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no, just that what we see stinks of being ordered.

little hound Oct 11, 2025, 3:57 AM

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"DNT Void Harrower". Nice mount

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New Delve mount?

zealous sedge Oct 11, 2025, 4:39 AM

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little hound New Delve mount?

Oh so dope

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I’m not hating but they do seem to use these two skeletons quite a bit

lean yew Oct 11, 2025, 4:52 AM

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the ptr realms disappeared for me

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and havent come back lul

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 5:59 AM

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little hound New Delve mount?

so long as it can fly

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 7:56 AM

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deep pawn I do agree the first ones seem oddly ordered for a group that was above all forc...

The first ones are combined order to me

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Light, arcane and death

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Their aesthetic is those things combined

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And also it makes a nice triangle on the cosmology map

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 8:14 AM

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And because life, chaos and void seem like a good anti order

austere gazelle Oct 11, 2025, 9:05 AM

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I think its not the titans but the constellar that manipulated all everything. We know that each titans got " constellar designates "during the Argus fight ( designate by whom? )

Its even possible that the titans are not even titans but are engineered by constellars who seeds planet and wait them to mature. I find it odd that the titans are the only " pantheon " member being constructed outside of their own realms

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And there is the constellar Rygelon casually walking into Zereth Mortis ' sepulcher which is... sus

lone mantle Oct 11, 2025, 9:09 AM

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stable dome Is she saying death is usually chaotic and not ordered

Yes, and that is why I dislike her. Imagine a being who would burn the World Tree, then dare to question the Great Cycle.

stable dome Oct 11, 2025, 9:33 AM

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lone mantle Yes, and that is why I dislike her. Imagine a being who would burn the World Tre...

I still believe she was set up by elune who needed souls for her sister

hard axle Oct 11, 2025, 9:33 AM

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How do I access the 11.2.7 ptr?
I have it selected, but it takes me to Midnight beta servers

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 12:03 PM

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stable dome I still believe she was set up by elune who needed souls for her sister

I don't think Elune is necesarrily evil

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I just think she is the closest thing to a first one we have, and is basically being used by the order pantheon as a political tool to spread order

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she represents all the things the first ones have shown similarities to, light, order (arcane), and death

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and her being conveniently married away to the life domain, when we have hints that the titans are trying to BIND life

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because yes elune is in the life plane we think, but she is definetly not a creature of life

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her sister represents life in the death realm, it only makes sense she'd represent death in the life realm.

austere gazelle Oct 11, 2025, 12:05 PM

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I really think Aman'thul could have went back in time and subdued all the first ones ( like the greek gods VS the titans ) and locked them up somewhere, like Azeroth. The Titans are not the Titans, they are usurper, and the Last Titan is truly Azeroth

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 12:06 PM

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after all, they aren't called BALANCE druids for nothing

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Elune's philosophy has always been to allow for mortal life to flourish under her watch as it was intended to

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she only puts her thumb on the scale when things unnatural happen that would ruin that balance

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but she does not shy awawy from letting mortals die if she sees it as necessary or something not to be intervened in

austere gazelle Oct 11, 2025, 12:07 PM

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elune might just be a child of Azeroth that was locked up in the plane of life like her sister in the plane of Death. Those may be akin to Tartarus itself for them

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 12:07 PM

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hell the night warrior can be viewed as her reaper form

elfin eagle Oct 11, 2025, 1:42 PM

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Can I give a hot take that I actually really like they didn’t go the cuthulu route with the void

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It should be more cosmic and alien, the tentacles and eyes is for the old gods: these are a separate enemy

pulsar minnow Oct 11, 2025, 1:44 PM

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The new void aesthetic is awesome. Lovecraftian ideas and aesthetics were holding them back from making cool stuff

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The bardiches they released in the traders posts not too long ago literally name dropped Voidstorm, but the description talks about the energies of Telogrus permeating the blade - could support the theory that Telogrus and Voidstorm were once the same planet

elfin eagle Oct 11, 2025, 1:57 PM

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pulsar minnow The new void aesthetic is awesome. Lovecraftian ideas and aesthetics were holdin...

Love craft is for the old gods void lords get their own aesthetic

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It should be less grounded in life and body horror imagery because void lords are not grounded in body horror because they have no body

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Well like physical manifestations

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Besides we have a 5th old god anyway lovecraftian imagery is still present we’ll get our old god fix

pulsar minnow Oct 11, 2025, 2:00 PM

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Ehh idk. They said at the beginning of TWW that the old gods were all dead

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Just like the void lords too now I guess

elfin eagle Oct 11, 2025, 2:14 PM

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pulsar minnow Ehh idk. They said at the beginning of TWW that the old gods were all dead

Well there’s still the black blood

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 3:05 PM

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harsh mason Oct 11, 2025, 4:19 PM

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||https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=248195/lura||

To be honest, I didn't expect to see her as the final boss of the first raid tier, but I really like her CustomSpells.

Wowhead

L'ura

L'ura is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Midnight. Always up to date with the latest patch.

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And I like her new model, which has become more cosmic-themed.

plain violet Oct 11, 2025, 4:36 PM

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Yeah that new design of void with cosmic void is amazing!

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 5:46 PM

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does that imply alleria is giving up void powers? or that we'll need to get l'ura back into her or something

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austere gazelle Oct 11, 2025, 5:47 PM

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she was already using void stuff before consuming L'ura

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 5:57 PM

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rain cave does that imply alleria is giving up void powers? or that we'll need to get l'ur...

she might be losing some of them - its not clear

proper palm Oct 11, 2025, 6:37 PM

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plain violet Yeah that new design of void with cosmic void is amazing!

I find that the cosmic blue that illustrates the void from Xal is so much better than the shadow purple

I can't wait to see priest with more true void spell

plain violet Oct 11, 2025, 6:37 PM

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deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 7:43 PM

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rain cave does that imply alleria is giving up void powers? or that we'll need to get l'ur...

You know how Gohan made Cell puke up Android 18?

rain cave Oct 11, 2025, 7:58 PM

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deep pawn You know how Gohan made Cell puke up Android 18?

I didn’t get past kid goku

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So I don’t get the reference

autumn dagger Oct 11, 2025, 8:00 PM

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do any of you know where to see the full "warnings" quest?

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I was following porter but he stopped posting when ptr went down lol

last orchid Oct 11, 2025, 8:45 PM

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autumn dagger I was following porter but he stopped posting when ptr went down lol

Nobbel streamed it

autumn dagger Oct 11, 2025, 8:50 PM

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ty

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 9:12 PM

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new best swamp

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clear apex Oct 11, 2025, 9:14 PM

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if there isnt a shrek ref im going to be upset

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 9:14 PM

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one of the new eagle mounts

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idk what gnarldin are

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the green djaradin maybe?

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damn thats my 2nd crash

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this zone is not as stable

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uh oh

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my character might be bricked

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from a treasure

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accessible by flight only

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i like it

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ehhhh

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this seems too similar to paku now

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working cutscene

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we jump off and are pulled back up by the wind

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warm topaz Oct 11, 2025, 10:11 PM

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is 11.2.7 PTR still down?

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 10:12 PM

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warm topaz is 11.2.7 PTR still down?

probably until monday

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theres a tortollan island area

plain violet Oct 11, 2025, 10:17 PM

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Awesome screenshots Peach, thanks!

deep pawn Oct 11, 2025, 10:20 PM

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There's a Tortollan camp on Isle of Fangs too

ember blaze Oct 11, 2025, 10:32 PM

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not a fan of dyes being consumables lol

clear apex Oct 11, 2025, 10:33 PM

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they are in most mmos ive seen

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so it feels normal

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 10:40 PM

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ember blaze not a fan of dyes being consumables lol

they have to be since theyre crafted

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otherwise they would be one and done and then no one would continue to craft them

dense plover Oct 11, 2025, 11:01 PM

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tulip sun Oct 12, 2025, 2:30 AM

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@uncut vault Random question; keeping up with your alpha thread. Do any named paladins die? Because they portray it as a big loss but havnt heard anything in that regard

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 2:31 AM

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No, no deaths at all beyond void enemies

tulip sun Oct 12, 2025, 2:38 AM

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Ah okay. Thought we might see some more minor paladins or priest perish to sell that.

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I will say, I hope they add the other Lightforged Lieutenants- like Baraat and Y'mera. They may not be priest/paladins, but they still use the light! And are infused with it. Might be a good suggestion to leave em 😂 😂

dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 3:15 AM

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tulip sun Ah okay. Thought we might see some more minor paladins or priest perish to sell ...

Probably no major deaths until end of campaign or in patches

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If they kill off people now there’s nowhere to go for 12.1 and 12.2

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 3:26 AM

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I think they mean more the mostly irrelevant randos

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like all the various draenei paladins with one appearance from TBC or WoD who show up here

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:27 AM

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12.1 already looks like a side story tangent

zealous sedge Oct 12, 2025, 3:40 AM

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What are theories on 12.1?

novel zodiac Oct 12, 2025, 3:46 AM

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uncut vault I think they mean more the mostly irrelevant randos

like all the "heroes" that died in Tanaan in WoD

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:49 AM

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zealous sedge What are theories on 12.1?

It's troll themed

dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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uncut vault like all the various draenei paladins with one appearance from TBC or WoD who sh...

Those do matter

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 3:50 AM

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I have someone with a contact who actually wants me to tell them if any of those one off NPCs are missing

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And I don’t really know that any are

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They also want to know if any have weird armor appearances

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 3:56 AM

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Honestly my main point of feedback is that there should probably be some more non Light-wielders

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if this is a call throughout Azeroth by the Light, and they'll summon any player, it stands to reason the Sunwell would summon other worthy people who arent Light wielders too

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:57 AM

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It summoned Lothraxion!

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Where the hell are the Arathi

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 3:57 AM

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theyre there

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:57 AM

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From the empire or just Hallowfall?

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 3:57 AM

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just Hallowfall

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:58 AM

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See, it makes 0 sense that Lothraxion is there from off world but the Light didn't call the people they forged an entire Empire to fight this battle for.

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Unless the Light used the Empire and all the prophecies just to get a handful of Arathi there.

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 3:59 AM

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Well Lothraxion is around and with the Army of the Light, we just havent been seeing him

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 3:59 AM

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Regardless it doesn't make sense the Empire wasn't called for this unless the Sunwell isn't working with the majority of the light.

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tulip sun Oct 12, 2025, 4:26 AM

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dense plover If they kill off people now there’s nowhere to go for 12.1 and 12.2

I just mean in the intro, they say its all doom and gloom. We have lost so many peoples- so I thought we might see some of the minor, inconsequential light users die in the battle.

tulip sun Oct 12, 2025, 4:27 AM

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uncut vault if this is a call throughout Azeroth by the Light, and they'll summon any player...

Yeah I was thinking it would be more of a mix but it literally is just light users...except if the PC isnt one. And leeroy Jenkins?

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 4:40 AM

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tulip sun Oct 12, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Eh to me it makes some sense.

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 4:51 AM

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Well based on how it goes for the player character in-game you’re given a vision/talking head of Liadrin calling you to the battle

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So it’s probably working on the idea that via the sunwell Liadrin is summoning all who she knows of. The Hallowfall detachment, army of the light, etc…

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The Arathi empire is worthy of its own entire expansion- and it’s probably way too early to establish the characters involved there right now before we even finish the saga

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 4:55 AM

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Then you don't make the entire Empire's reason to exist a battle they aren't even in!

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It's crap writing

upper pasture Oct 12, 2025, 4:56 AM

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i mean, maybe they know this isn't the end all be all battle and they are saving the army for another fight?

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 4:56 AM

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deep pawn Then you don't make the entire Empire's reason to exist a battle they aren't eve...

The Hallowfall detachment are there? Also Renilash isn’t the sole reason for the empires existence

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 4:57 AM

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upper pasture i mean, maybe they know this isn't the end all be all battle and they are saving...

Then why the hell have Metzen say we seal the Shadow for good, and that we've already destroyed the last void lord.

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 4:58 AM

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I get what Kyle is saying cause i think the same. They somewhat hyped the arathi as this huge army of light that will fight the big bad end all be all, then we're just getting some small tiny army of them.
It feels weird but since they divided the expac into 3 parts, i think they've been moved to post TLT. So now it's "what's going to be worse for azeroth than this" or the emperor full of shit and lied

upper pasture Oct 12, 2025, 4:58 AM

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it's literally just 12.0 we have more of midnight that they could be used for

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I hope they're brought in proper but i (for now) don't see that happening. Unless they're a major story patch in tlt

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I think the issue is that people don’t realize The Hallowfall detachment are literally the army intended to fight in Renilash

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Faerin tells us as such very early on. It’s why their society is the way it is. They’re literally all soldiers

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:01 AM

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Maybe that's where the confusion is coming from?
Then they were just expected to hang out underground for a good 20 years? And maybe get a way out?

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:01 AM

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They chose to stay in Hallowfall because they believed Beledar was connected to the emperors vision and Renilash

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They opted to protect what they deemed as holy ground- hence naming the location Hallowfall

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But yeah like a lot of the war withins pacing stuff like this is said once but not repeated as much as it should be because the questing is just breakneck fast

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:02 AM

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Here is hoping we don't have to wait 10 years to know what beladar is

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:04 AM

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Well according to the titans it’s just calcified world soul essence - azerite but different

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deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:04 AM

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pulsar minnow I think the issue is that people don’t realize The Hallowfall detachment are lit...

No it's not. They were the VANGUARD

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They were meant to set up portals

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The mages dying was not the plan

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:08 AM

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The portals were for supplies and reinforcements. Most of the army was there

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Either way Arathi from the empire are fighting in Renilash so it’s really no different. This is all going according to the emperors vision so far

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Again, if this is the Light's plan, they're worse than the shadow

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:14 AM

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Didn't they say a whole bunch of their army just died anyways after getting teleported in?

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pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:26 AM

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clear apex Didn't they say a whole bunch of their army just died anyways after getting tele...

The emperor didn’t have every detail lol. He knew it was dangerous and the people who singed on knew that too.

But they weren’t told “hey so you’re going to be teleported into a chasm and plummet a few thousand feet.” The emperor had a vision of a falling star- believing it to be connected to Renilash and sent the strongest warriors across the storming sea to find it.

They got caught up in those storms though and almost didn’t make it through if not for Beledar saving them.

That said they couldn’t course correct their ships and their zeppelins crashed right into the cave walls (which is why Faerin is missing an arm)

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:29 AM

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pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:29 AM

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The living wall of rock already happened 😛

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deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:29 AM

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I don't believe it has

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pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:30 AM

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Well duh

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That verse is referring to the conflict between the Arathi and Nerubians

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:31 AM

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since when, it doesn't fit the prophecy at all.

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:32 AM

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The Aegis wall is incredibly important to the Arathi it’s the only reason they survived at all

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:33 AM

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wow wiki doesn't have that speculation at all and they'd normally be all on that

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:34 AM

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The verse about the rock wall follows the mention of the nerubians saying the stones of this wall bore the weight of said conflict

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And the Aegis Wall was their front line of defense and protected them for most of the conflict until TWW happened

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:36 AM

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Like the easiest way is for a bunch of the Loa to die

pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:39 AM

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Also wonder if the dead gods bit could be referring to the Devouring Host. Xal has Dimensius and all he consumed (every other void lord) inside the dark heart. Breaking it now would unleash hell on the battlefield and might be cause for the Titan’s return.

Granted it’d had to prove Azeroth is the prime worldsoul somehow to bring the titans back based on that recent interview

deep pawn Oct 12, 2025, 5:45 AM

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pulsar minnow Oct 12, 2025, 5:49 AM

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Because those two aren’t about TWW clearly

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:52 AM

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W Vereesa being hateful towards the Horde?!??!?! 👀

dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 5:57 AM

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well thats interesting

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cant go to silvermoon i guess

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boo

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nvm city is fine, just not eversong

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gotta test 2 delves

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but thats for tomorrow

plain violet Oct 12, 2025, 8:54 AM

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I have read it all!

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Fascinating, I am pleasantly surprised by the amani quests.

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They are endearing in their own way and the evolution of both is nicely given.

rain cave Oct 12, 2025, 9:20 AM

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dense plover

Interesting that he’s having visions of conquering with specifically light wood, possible setup for a light zealot arch?

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I feel we probably will get a light patch this xpac, where paladin unlocks for either more or all races

dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 2:25 PM

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rain cave Interesting that he’s having visions of conquering with specifically light wood,...

I don’t think so

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I think it’s more him recognizing that strength isn’t just physical might

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I really hope he doesn’t go “I deserve to lead not you” and go off the rails - story doesn’t seem to be setting him up for that but that’s a story type Blizz likes to fall back on

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I hope instead we seek out a lost loa of the ancient Amani’s past

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Unfortunately I can’t take a good look at side quests due to all the crashing so no clue where the other loa are

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:28 PM

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I have a feeling the new flying is gonna be butt

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:30 PM

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Why?

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Having to not really on the stamina sounds great

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:31 PM

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pretty sure its cooldowns now, no?

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Surge Forward iconSurge Forward and Skyward Ascent iconSkyward Ascent now have 6 shared charges. It takes 10 seconds for a charge to replenish.

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10 seconds gg its actually joever

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o7

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Midnight worst expansion so far? 🤔

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Turalyon dead, Dragonriding dead, kombat mods dead

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truly joever

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:33 PM

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Well i haven't been able to try it yet but from what i know about it, it'll make it easier to fly

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:33 PM

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what u mean easier 😭

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I dont think i ran out of fuel like ever

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:34 PM

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There are people who struggle with it still

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:34 PM

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skill issue lowkey 😭

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Mana forge omega proved that lol

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:34 PM

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I might not be buying the DLC anyways

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I dont wanna see mr Turalyon die wft

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Why would they do that?!!!?!?

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Closing Thoughts @clear apex
Overall, Skyriding feels great on the Alpha. It’s refreshing not having to constantly micro-manage your Vigor bar!

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 5:41 PM

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That's the most serious I've ever heard you be. What did you do with Niko

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Gurl, its me? 😭

uncut vault Oct 12, 2025, 6:18 PM

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fathom fulcrum Surge Forward iconSurge Forward and Skyward Ascent iconSkyward Ascent now have 6...

its exactly the same as live, more or less

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cooldowns replenish 100% faster when you have the speed buff

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so it takes the same 5 seconds as vigor on live

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only difference is that whirling surge is a totally independent cooldown now, so it doesn't use up vigor charges

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and also that the UI is much less clear unfortunately because there's no vigor bar lol

fathom fulcrum Oct 12, 2025, 6:31 PM

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uncut vault cooldowns replenish 100% faster when you have the speed buff

understandable, thank 🫡

dense plover Oct 12, 2025, 6:38 PM

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uncut vault and also that the UI is much less clear unfortunately because there's no vigor b...

ive literally reported this as feedback

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that they shouldnt get rid of the vigor bar

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because its unclear

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they just need to allow UI customization so it can be smaller and simpler

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 6:39 PM

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as it is, i do find it too big

clear apex Oct 12, 2025, 9:39 PM

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housing beta tomorrow!!

little hound Oct 12, 2025, 10:24 PM

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I am excited to see the results and feedback

deep pawn Oct 13, 2025, 2:32 AM

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Think this counts as foreshadowing now?

ember blaze Oct 13, 2025, 2:49 AM

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deep pawn Think this counts as foreshadowing now?

who is that towards

lavish raptor Oct 13, 2025, 2:51 AM

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aluneth is a magical mage staff that talks to you

glass flicker Oct 13, 2025, 4:42 AM

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Arcane Mage artifact. Sentient staff. Makes funny noises with the hidden skin.

deep pawn Oct 13, 2025, 4:45 AM

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I'm just making a joke cause someone finally did send it tumbling into the sea and it was another entity like him

glass flicker Oct 13, 2025, 4:50 AM

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Oh, you're talking about Oculeth?

lavish raptor Oct 13, 2025, 5:27 AM

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pretty sure that's not who destroyed dalaran

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although AU where he does it accidentally is plausible

glass flicker Oct 13, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Oh, I was talking about how we first met him. He put us in a bubble and threatened to teleport us to the bottom of the sea.

upper pasture Oct 13, 2025, 6:34 AM

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He does do it if you don’t show him the coin

hard axle Oct 13, 2025, 9:10 AM

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Why does the 11.2.7 launcher take me to the Alpha servers?
How do I fix it?

deep pawn Oct 13, 2025, 10:14 AM

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Ptr servers might be down still

barren vigil Oct 13, 2025, 2:47 PM

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I'm at work. Just wondering if the servers are up for ptr

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 3:15 PM

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barren vigil I'm at work. Just wondering if the servers are up for ptr

no

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too early

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probably 11am or 1pm pst

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 3:51 PM

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untold fox Oct 13, 2025, 3:53 PM

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From what I know the housing 2 day stress testing on the ptr realm is going to be opened today correct?

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 3:55 PM

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based on the news post 2p EDT/11a PDT

untold fox Oct 13, 2025, 3:56 PM

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why do they have to use those weird timezones

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just use CET and be done with it xd

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ty for answering

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 3:56 PM

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8pm CET kekd

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ofc!

untold fox Oct 13, 2025, 3:57 PM

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you see, much simpler

next lodge Oct 13, 2025, 3:59 PM

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CET? Why can’t they just MY time zone it’s much easier

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For legal reasons that’s a joke. So, are we expecting PTR servers to crash or what

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 4:01 PM

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young hawk

Where are the stitches around his neck

digital dew Oct 13, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Hello! Just checking but is the 11.2.7 ptr currently down?

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 4:12 PM

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digital dew Hello! Just checking but is the 11.2.7 ptr currently down?

yes

digital dew Oct 13, 2025, 4:12 PM

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ty 🙂

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 4:12 PM

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for anyone who keeps asking, when ptr goes up, there will almost certainly be a newspost

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and it probably wont be up until sometime between 11am and 2pm PST

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and if you post below this and dont bother to read, i will rightfully get pissed at you because it means youre being lazy af

digital dew Oct 13, 2025, 4:13 PM

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understood. sorry I never use it so i wasnt sure if "incompadible" just meant it was offline

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thanks again! 🙂

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 PM

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rain cave Where are the stitches around his neck

I don’t know but the undead is slowly look like drow but without the elf ears

deep pawn Oct 13, 2025, 5:14 PM

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wide adder based on the news post 2p EDT/11a PDT

Been delayed apparently

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:17 PM

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not surprising

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they had some major stability issues in phase 2

fathom fulcrum Oct 13, 2025, 5:18 PM

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Vereesa is based?!?!!?!? 👀

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Was this horse in the game?

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@dense plover

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:28 PM

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Nooo I hope housing still releases today though

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ill be so sad if its tomorrow or not this week

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:32 PM

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young hawk <@117691857911152645>

wtf are you pinging me for?

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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dense plover wtf are you pinging me for?

To AXE you

A question

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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stop bothering me or ill report you to the mods - youre being obnoxious

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:35 PM

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I hardly ping you

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😭

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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you pinged me over random bullshit - i dont know you, i dont like you, and it wasnt important. stop it

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Ok bro chill

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Wonder if the rest of thr ptr will come up without housing or if it'll stay down for a bit while they get situated

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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wide adder Wonder if the rest of thr ptr will come up without housing or if it'll stay down...

We getting house?

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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We were supposed to stress test the housing system coming in Midnight today but its been delayed

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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wide adder Wonder if the rest of thr ptr will come up without housing or if it'll stay down...

itll stay down

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Will there be unlimited for every player created or it will be limited like final fantasy 14 houses and a plot of land

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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the housing test is like 90% of what they want to test

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Its not like 14 from what I can tell

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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And gamble a plot of land first then buy a house on top of it

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Let hope they don’t charge rent like ff14 every month like real life

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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you just buy it and own it

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its very simple

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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Good

wide adder Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Hopefully its not too long. Was looking forward to seeing the New Exiles Reach and Returning quest too

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Is this real

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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wide adder Hopefully its not too long. Was looking forward to seeing the New Exiles Reach a...

its mostly unchanged

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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the server creates instances repeatedly to let more people buy houses

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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they just added jaina/thrall and wrathion and kalec, and switched some npcs in

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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think ff14 apartments instead of the houses

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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clear apex think ff14 apartments instead of the houses

except bigger than both of those

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and with an outside you can decorate

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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One room space apartment but funny enough rent free

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Its closer to ESO but with the ff14 exterior
Im still impressed by the housing interior layout

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they didnt have to go that hard with it

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 5:48 PM

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it was probably easier tbh

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theyre just giving us access to the tools they use

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and creating a decent UI to go with it

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:57 PM

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which is AWESOME

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thats all i ever wanted from a housing system

little hound Oct 13, 2025, 6:03 PM

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young hawk

Does not look real. Why would they announce ANOTHER allied race, when Haranir isn't even out yet?

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And Blood Elves ARE High Elves, literally only difference was that some gave in to Arcane Addiction and embraced Fel. Literally the same race.

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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also aint no way theyd give just an allied race to horde

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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little hound Does not look real. Why would they announce ANOTHER allied race, when Haranir is...

dude - the guy has only posted fake images

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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little hound And Blood Elves **ARE** High Elves, literally only difference was that some gave...

louder for the people in the back

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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it literally says #obviouslyfake

little hound Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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I know, i had to clarify the stupidity.

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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just ignore him

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he isnt being stupid - he is trolling

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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little hound And Blood Elves **ARE** High Elves, literally only difference was that some gave...

So this is another out season April’s fool joke? Damn I been baited

dense plover Oct 13, 2025, 6:04 PM

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if he does it again, im gonna report to mods

little hound Oct 13, 2025, 6:07 PM

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yeh

young hawk Oct 13, 2025, 6:07 PM

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I will admit I am dumb

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I am not good at trolling

upper pasture Oct 13, 2025, 6:08 PM

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it literally says #obviouslyfake lol AND NOV 31st isn't a real date

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:11 PM

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little hound And Blood Elves **ARE** High Elves, literally only difference was that some gave...

To be fair they could release a distinct high elf race

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Just they don’t really need to

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And it would muddy waters a bit since people would prefer those things as customisations for belf and veld

little hound Oct 13, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Wasted resources.

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:13 PM

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That being said I do think blizz recognises that all alliance high elf’s being void elf is a bit of a blunder

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And they might redo how races are even done in future to try and address things like that

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Not just for elves mind you

tulip sun Oct 13, 2025, 6:13 PM

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little hound And Blood Elves **ARE** High Elves, literally only difference was that some gave...

Theyre different factions though is the big thing

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Doesn’t help that even as recent as Midnight, all the high elves are still using blood elf hairstyles and colors

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At this point they need to just have belfs and velfs share hairstyles

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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I wish theyd put the draenei all into one group then you pick a sub-race and they share all the customizations
or human/gilnean/kul tiran (let you pick thicc or not)

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Why do only mechagnomes get certain hair compared to normal gnomes, why can’t they overlap

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Maghar and normal orc as well

tulip sun Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Id kill for true playable forest trolls though v v

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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they used to add hair across races, dont know why they stopped

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Trolls as well ye

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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clear apex they used to add hair across races, dont know why they stopped

Nobody plays gnomes or Tauren there’s your answer

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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The ideal system is using the tech they added in Shadowlands to let people choose what subrace you’re tagged in for quest text

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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reskin the dracthyr body to let you choose if youre thinner or buff

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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The shadowlands stuff was only added and never implemented for stuff like nelfs being called Kaldorei, belfs Sin’dorei, etc.

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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I fully expect them to change the character creator to be sub race based at some point

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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it would clean up the UI a ton

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:15 PM

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Especially if they are adding more races than classes

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:16 PM

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i need all drachtyr visage hair shared on belf/human

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Would give them a more solid place to have story tags for stuff like Man’ari or Darkfallen too

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:16 PM

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I want dragon eyes for all races

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Which don’t need to be their own allied race, but also feel very flimsily cosmetic a lot of the time because story still considers you the regular race

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:16 PM

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scales too

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I looked at male blood elf customization and got sad. theyre so bare bones. Nightborne has more!

proper palm Oct 13, 2025, 6:17 PM

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rain cave I want dragon eyes for all races

And all human face for all skincolor hihi

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:17 PM

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clear apex I looked at male blood elf customization and got sad. theyre so bare bones. Nigh...

Sorry, we’re just waiting for the right story moment to justify new cosmetics for belfs

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hides the entire premise of Midnight

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:17 PM

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yeah yeah. midnight and all isnt a good enough reason XD

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could have had night elf paladins in legion

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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Blizzard adding cool eye customisation to every race just for DKs to still be forced to use their blue frost eyes

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I wish they’d just be truthful and say “yeah our art team only has so much time, they were busy with Haranir”

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It sucks, but it’s honest

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I want a whole revamp of customizations, its been since WoD 8|

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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Well, Shadowlands was a revamp of it

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:18 PM

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skin textures are looking rough

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Even just recoloured dk eyes would be nice, for the other dk aesthetics. There are other dks with different colours

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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i mean the leap we had from vanilla to wod was huge

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Sectioning off of a lot more options, and easy addition of new ones

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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new models

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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Like maw grey/black, green, red

uncut vault Oct 13, 2025, 6:19 PM

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(Which I guess isn’t as easy as they claimed because they’ve done nothing with it since 9.1.5 lol)

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:20 PM

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Honestly if dks got a domination magic greenfire quest that would be baller

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Especially if they got to forge their own mourneblade as well

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Honestly every class should start getting some kind of green fire equivalent even if it’s not much spell vfx changes and more tmog as well

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Mages learning from the dragon flights, so they get red fire, blue dragon arcane and frost, bronze time magic, and a remastered tarecgosa style staff

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Or a revamped atiesh 2 after a guardian quest

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Shamans could get some frosty primalist stuff with vyranoth

proper palm Oct 13, 2025, 6:28 PM

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Class customisation to each race, they work so hard on primalist for exemple, shaman deserve eye customisation

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Something I’d like explored more even if it isn’t that deep is casual things like how humans have the light as a cultural thing, but not all of them are priests and paladins. E.g a warrior who believes in the light culturally, has a locket or jewlery reflecting that and isn’t a paladin

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So even if its just things like prayer beads as an option, or maybe some light iconography tattoos and jewellery for both body types

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Meanwhile orcs get more ancestral and elemental stuff, like maybe a necklace of teeth or a rudimentary bracelet that has all the elements on it

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Maybe even something like a giant hairstyle that’s got hair from clanmates and family woven in

clear apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:54 PM

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more stuff for draenei that isnt just Light themed

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id love more somehow goth things for gilneans, that posh victorian look

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not 'goth'

rain cave Oct 13, 2025, 8:02 PM

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clear apex more stuff for draenei that isnt just Light themed

Arcane Crystal and rangari ranger stuff

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Shaman tattoos to memorialize those who died on draenor

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Something the lightforged wouldn’t share with them culturally

quartz lintel Oct 13, 2025, 9:34 PM

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With that information about Lothra, i'm pretty sure we will hear about Dena

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Surprised the article used the PH build of the Lorthraxion entry instead of the newer version without PH.

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 2:35 AM

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remote shuttle Surprised the article used the PH build of the Lorthraxion entry instead of the ...

this was written before the alpha actually came out haha, only just published now by the folks in charge of that

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thanks for the shout, updating it now

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 10:51 AM

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From what I can tell, the new text links directly to the events in voidstorm - || where Lorthraxion feels betrayed that we are teaming up with Decimus to stop the Voidstorm, and thus goes to handle it himself recklessly.

Nothing about Dreadlord machinations or Denathrius plot, just a light guy unwilling to work with void guys. ||

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 11:47 AM

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I mean, lothraxion could be a red herring and just be on our side

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But it doesn’t explain why he just didn’t tell us anything about dreadlords lol

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Personally I think that dreadlords and the void, especially xal have beef

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Void hates death, and the dreadlords were the ones who convinced sargeras to go on his anti void crusade

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I’m still of the belief that void storm, and xal, are from the original planet that sargeras cleaved to stop the void

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Because it sets up some hilarious generation long spy vs spy beef between the two master manipulators of the universe and ties into the larger order plot going on in the background, also sets up motivations

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Like it wouldn’t surprise me ifme if xals motivation is effectively an inverted jailer, where she is just a mortal from a planet destroyed by a titan, climbing the ranks and power in the void seeking to use whatever power she can to get rid of beings that can destroy worlds.

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 11:58 AM

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Some early datamined texts seem to imply the name of this planet is just called Predation or something, an ancient void-consumed planet.
Although we have had references for Telogrus to be that planet.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 11:59 AM

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remote shuttle Some early datamined texts seem to imply the name of this planet is just called ...

And telogrus is near the void storm

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Telogrus could be a fragment of the same planet

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We have text ingame referring to voidstorm being visible from telogrus

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:01 PM

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I don’t think Telogrus is remotely near Voidstorm?that’s just a voidstorm, not -the- voidstorm, right?

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:01 PM

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Needs clarification

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:02 PM

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The one that Durzaan brought to convert the Void elves, whereas the 11.2.7 says Xal’atath creates the voidstorm over Silvermoon.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:02 PM

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There’s velf npcs in telogrus who look out into the skybox saying the voidstorm is growing

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:03 PM

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Yeah, the literal storm of void energy over Telogrus of when they were attacked, which was used to justify not teleporting to the other platforms?

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I guess it doesn’t help that we’re using ingame knowledge to refer to the land as “the voidstorm” when that’s technically the rift connecting our planet to the void one.

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Which is maintained by the Nexus-points, seemingly.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:05 PM

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They say it as one word

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They specifically say voidstorm rather than void storm

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:06 PM

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You are referring to the very visible like void tempest that was over Telogrus upto Dragonflight, right?

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:06 PM

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So basically it’s an open thread they could use and not contradict

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I’m referring to what they say

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Lil rifty ontop of Telogrus

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:09 PM

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"The Voidstorm is growing. It might even consume the big island entirely." this is the quote

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Genuinely think this is a case of unintentional re-use of simply referring to “a storm, of void.”, but it could be some reference to when the void links to places it is a voidstorm that links them.

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Stage 6: A Force Approaches
Close the rift.
Alleria Windrunner says: This void storm is a conduit... a doorway that must be closed.

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From void elf recruitment too.

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Should go check if those lines are still in, now I think about it. Gotta report them if they are..!

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:29 PM

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why report them?

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:30 PM

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Oh, because they're pre-Tww narrative. The person who did the update in the pre-quests forgot to remove them.

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I know who did it- ironically so can poke them.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 12:46 PM

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remote shuttle Oh, because they're pre-Tww narrative. The person who did the update in the pre-...

but it could also be intentional, like the voidstorm in telogrus could be the same voidstorm

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 12:47 PM

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I have discarded such a possibility as intentional. But thats solely due to how the Void elves are interacting with the voidstorm - and the dialogues of Umbric and the prequests of Magister's Terrace.

pulsar minnow Oct 14, 2025, 3:02 PM

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I can’t imagine Voidstorm is ACTUALLY named Voidstorm

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That’s just what we call it because it’s THE giant Voidstorm over top the sunwell

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we know it has a different name and there’s a whole mystery around it- we’re just not aware of its true name yet

dull sage Oct 14, 2025, 3:07 PM

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Anyone happen to know how I can check to see if I have a certain achievement in regards to past expansions giving housing decor?
Namely the order hall stuff for mage/paladin. I don't know if doing upgrades for one class would unlock them all or if I'd need to go about doing class hall upgrades now.
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/achievement=60966/legendary-research-of-the-tirisgarde This is the achievement in question.

Wowhead

Legendary Research of the Tirisgarde

Research all Mage Class Hall Upgrades. In the Legion Class Hall Achievements category. Added in World of Warcraft: Midnight. Always up to date.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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pulsar minnow I can’t imagine Voidstorm is ACTUALLY named Voidstorm

I mean shadowlands, twisting nether, outland, dragon isles, are all actual place names

pulsar minnow Oct 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Well yeah but again- Voidstorm is very clearly not actually named that

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Neither is outland tbf

pulsar minnow Oct 14, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Exactly the point

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Which is why neither need a name change lol

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Ig the name is more referring to the idea that it’s a specific remnant

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There are other fragments of draenor probably drifting around, but those aren’t outland

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Which loops around conveniently to me saying both telogrus and voidstorm could atleast be related to the original planet sargeras cleaved while also being two separate areas

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Voidstorm is the rift - The actual landmass has its own name

clear apex Oct 14, 2025, 4:55 PM

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🙏 please blizzard put the ptr up today

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:21 PM

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remote shuttle Voidstorm is the rift - The actual landmass has its own name

The zone is called voidstorm though

dense plover Oct 14, 2025, 5:24 PM

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rain cave The zone is called voidstorm though

yeah the zone, not whatever locale it is

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we dont know where the zone itself actually is

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its just the landmass on the immediate opposite side of the voidstorm

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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I still don’t see how this disqualifies it from being the planet sargeras cleaved

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:30 PM

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In all likelihood, it's the remnants of Xal'atath's planet (along with the Domanaar)

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which we know couldn't be the planet Sargeras cleaved regardless

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:30 PM

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uncut vault which we know couldn't be the planet Sargeras cleaved regardless

Why’s that

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That’s the reason I think it would be

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:30 PM

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Xal'atath was Dimensius' harbinger long before the Titans even found Azeroth

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Sargeras found the void-corrupted worldsoul after they had already fully ordered Azeroth

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Not necessarily

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 5:31 PM

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I have zero evidence to suggest it is any more than Telogrus. Especially given Telogrus’ exposition lore and Xal’atath has used the Dark Heart and Dimensius’ power to gather the Devouring Host gathered there.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Sargeras was looking for Azeroth, he didn’t know where it was before the legion invasions

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Unless we just say all void-torn landscapes are the same place; Random torn planet by Sargeras.

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:32 PM

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rain cave Sargeras was looking for Azeroth, he didn’t know where it was before the legion ...

That's not what I mean

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:32 PM

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I’m just saying it lines up with motivations and other potential plot points

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:32 PM

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what I mean is, the Titans fully ordered Azeroth and imprisoned the Old Gods, and then left

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:32 PM

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How do we know she was harbinger before all that

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:32 PM

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after that point, Sargeras found the corrupted world-soul, destroyed it, and then immediately went to find the Pantheon

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:33 PM

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rain cave How do we know she was harbinger before all that

She was imprisoned in the blade of the black empire during the height of the Old Gods' rule

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prior to the Ordering

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she was already the Harbinger at that point

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:33 PM

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uncut vault after that point, Sargeras found the corrupted world-soul, destroyed it, and the...

I thought it was more like sargeras was already corrupted when the titans came upon Azeroth

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:34 PM

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uncut vault she was already the Harbinger at that point

Yes but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be sargeras who destroyed her planet

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Nope, he approached them immediately after he destroyed the worldsoul, they were horrified, and then he decided to go his own way and corrupt himself

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Sargeras wasn’t around for the ordering of Azeroth, not in the pantheon anyway

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Otherwise the whole plot of him trying to actually find the plane wouldn’t happen

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And his influence is nowhere in titan ordering on Azeroth

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:35 PM

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I don't think you're really following

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Sargeras destroying the worldsoul explicitly happened after the Ordering of Azeroth

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because he then immediately returned to the Pantheon to tell them about it

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:35 PM

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Where is that explicitly stated

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:35 PM

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and they had already departed Azeroth

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in Chronicle

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Chronicle isn’t canon

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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I don’t know what motivations and plot points this is seemingly working towards - why the lands beyond the voidstorm would reasonably be that world and how that could make the story better?
There is their own species, people, monsters - the “kaiju” file types.

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Yes it is lol

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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It’s point of view

uncut vault Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Chronicle is not 100% objective omnicient canon

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but it is canon

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Yes

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 5:36 PM

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There are frankly too many differences better Telogrus and Predator void Planet to be linked. But you could always headcanon it.

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:37 PM

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remote shuttle I don’t know what motivations and plot points this is seemingly working towards ...

Dreadlords vs Xal

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Death and void fighting

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Explanation for that rivalry

remote shuttle Oct 14, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Why are Dreadlords getting involved??

rain cave Oct 14, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Because dreadlords are the ones who corrupted sargeras

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So if xals planet was the one sarg destroyed, it would make sense she hates dreadlords

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And would give her a more layered motive to her current actions