beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

lots of fun consumables

this covers his questline - its ~1 level of the story

feels good though - breaks up the story and lets the time between the end of eversong and the start of other stuff have space

im gonna explore the arcantina tho

i see - all of our mail passes through here XD

danath and eitrigg seem to stick around after the quest

literally none of the chairs here work right now - i hope they change that

uh oh

very similar to that early quest in shadowlands

they imprisoned tehd!

oh boy

this shits gonna hit the fan

[proper palm]

Wtf, silverhand litteraly fight with deathknight and now they don't like a little warlock xD

[dense plover]

this is supposed to be here but uh

[ember blaze]

a horse model is gonna take them 20 years. youll have to wait a lil longer

[dense plover]

welp, thats pretty much all the content right now it seems besides side quests, the returning player stuff and the new exiles reach

ill run that at some point before next patch

[proper palm]

Oh yes xD But imagine Night elf with Saber like Ash'adar...
Anduin's horse that served once would have made an excellent horse for KT

[dense plover]

idk if this was always the case, but exiles reach now has the base wow logo

yeah so they definitely shifted the npcs

thrall and kalecgos

thralls already voice acted'

so this is probably going live sooner than some of the other stuff

has unique voice lines

same rendered cinematic with breka

quest is the same

this part seems to be the same or very very similar

this part is different

ill go through the rest a bit later

[little hound]

Yeah. If you play Horde, Thrall is there. If you play Alliance, you get Jaina instead.

[dense plover]

yeah im just trying to see what has changed and report bugs

ran into a big one before that cutscene

they havent updated the quest text

wild

ah i see

theyre not going to go with enslaving kalec story

thats good

nvm maybe it is the storyline?

[plain violet]

I did read all that. Fascinating! Arathor is more endearing than I imagined, nice questline.

[dense plover]

i really like him

he is extremely level-headed and down to earth and compassionate

i really hate the last quest in eversong though

[plain violet]

Yes! We need characters like that.

Oh?

[dense plover]

because we are forced to ignore his advice and help lorthemar and turalyon kill trolls

i put in the feedback that we should be helping arator try to stop them

[plain violet]

Oh yeah, and despite knowing we kill good ones right?

Good idea!

[dense plover]

well - good is subjective

the trolls are definitely being jerks

but theyre not the bad guys

they just are the enemies of the sindorei historically so assumptions are being made on both sides

[plain violet]

That's a good thing.. to show assumptions and prejudices playing in favor of the Void here by making them attack each other again.

[dense plover]

yes

[plain violet]

Do we know the amani assumptions?

[dense plover]

i just dont like that im forced to be on the side of stupid when ive been paying attention

[dense plover]

theres stuff in the cutscenes that imply that the trolls are provoking the sindorei because they dont know better

[plain violet]

That I agree: it's a pain whenever our character become stupid...

[dense plover]

but thats based on cutscene text

we dont have the actual cutscenes

its why i gave the feedback

they can change it without major shifts

[plain violet]

Oooh nice! So kinda "we lost our loa, sin'dorei faults"

Yeah!

Especially in.alpha.

[dense plover]

dont think its that intense

[plain violet]

Oh. :o

[dense plover]

more like - light is corrupting our land and we need it now but its your fault - i think?

[plain violet]

Oh I see...

Well that make sense too!

[dense plover]

both sides make sense

the actions of lorthemar and turalyon make sense

its only MY actions that dont

ofc whether they act on my feedback or not will be up to them

[plain violet]

Yes! I understand the idea.. if we see something amiss we could say "wait no".

Let's cross fingers!

[dense plover]

there was a quest earlier that gave you a choice to come forward or lie

they could do a two sides choice thing

especially since the first side is already done and it wouldnt change the outcome

just would change what you are doing for those like 4 mins of quest

because it really only is like the last 5-10 mins of the zone quests that i dislike

[plain violet]

Oh I see... well more choices is for the better!

So absolutely agree with it.

[dense plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fingers-crossed-fry-billy-west-futurama-hopeful-gif-6653617192780453118

thrall, shuja and breka

they need to rename the location since reanimation isnt occuring anymore

im curious if this is implemented or not

straight to the kalecgos prepatch khadgar tower cutscene

both amirdrassil and zaralek have been flagged as 10-80, thought the other zones are 10-70

forbidden reach is 70 only so i assume it is not included in the story overview stuff

yup - new campaign is the 4 zones, blue dragonflight, green dragonflight, zaralek and the dream

[plain violet]

Oh it's a nice intro to DF!

I like it.

[dense plover]

so it does look like you have to do all 4

but you definitely get to this faster than before

i hope they cut down on the number of quests so you dont outlevel the expac

[plain violet]

Yeah...

Sounds nice for alts too. :o

Remind me of old WoD pexing during Legion...

[dense plover]

ok yeah they cut a lot of quests

[thin warren]

maybe you don't hit max so fast on campaign only

[dense plover]

i dont have to do the quests where you go in the cave to kill those elementals

or the lava elementals

[uncut vault]

you never did :P

[dense plover]

you didnt? were those optional?

they werent flagged as campaign?

[uncut vault]

Never

[dense plover]

oops

did you have to follow sendrax to dragonheart outpost?

[uncut vault]

Yeah

[dense plover]

you dont anymore

it just tells you to go there

uh oh

both the level and the ilvl are completely fucked

they really kinda fucked up this stat squish

with gear being messed up this is going to get hard when i run out of gear thats giving enough stats

might have to wait for next build 🙁

technically this is also a problem in the alpha content because the gear isnt increasing in ilvl past 120 no matter what level you do a quest at

i got the same gear like 4 times while leveling

[plain violet]

Sorry to bother you but as you have the alpha, do you know if paladin/priest have different intro than the rest?

Considering they are linked to the Light, that seem a possibility for the summon!

[glass fulcrum]

Do you know if this includes boots, exiles reach was silly and never gave boots appearance before

[tropic trail]

I don’t get it why quests are on alpha midnight in dragon isles?

Send some nice screenshots of zones hehe 😂

[tulip sun]

@dense plover Did you do any quests that take you to Bel'ameth? Saw this in another discord and was wondering the context

[rain cave]

hi thalyssra

she ammending relations with the night elves?

[dense plover]

Haven’t tested the midnight intro more than once yet but if they will that kind of thing probably won’t be implemented yet, since there don’t even seem to be differences for blood elves

[dense plover]

Not available yet. Pretty sure the dream stuff will be suggested once I finish the main zones

[tulip sun]

Oooh ok

[dense plover]

I got a full set from exiles reach

[plain violet]

No worries, thanks you! :)
Good to know for blood elves too! Also, do you have a druid which could slot red moon to see if there is a unique visual? :o

[dense plover]

I was only given the 4 zones as an option at the adventure table

[plain violet]

Also, how is the "summon" from the Light, narratively? Did it happen suddenly and we weren't prepared, did we got a warning from the Light before?

[dense plover]

I don’t but I can try later. Remind me tomorrow if I don’t get back

[plain violet]

With pleasure, thanks you! :)

[tulip sun]

I guess the person who took it was just exploring

[dense plover]

Not implemented yet. We have template characters so right now we take a portal from Liadrin - I do not think this is final

[dense plover]

Definitely

[plain violet]

Oh I see!

Yes I think it isn't final too, as Liadrin just prayed..

[dense plover]

It’s like half-baked right now

[plain violet]

Make sense, first week of alpha after all...

[dense plover]

Light portal in the capital city and brief summons

[tulip sun]

Im excited for Zul'aman this week

[dense plover]

But also the portal to twilight highlands for pre patch is still active so I think the context will matter a bit

[tulip sun]

Im eager to see how the relationship with the Amani ends in their zone

[plain violet]

Oh yes context, of course!

This will be .. particular I think, to make.

As from what I understand they really want something "right into the fray"..

[dense plover]

i think both zuljan and the lady with the mohawk will end up as allies

[lone mantle]

[tulip sun]

Zul'jarra? I hope so. We dont need one of them turning evil

[dense plover]

yeah

[tulip sun]

But I mostly was thinking lorewise with the Horde. Id love if it opened relations with them- maybe eventually we see them joining the Horde, which is why we can use their customizations now.

[dense plover]

we see zuljan kill a twilight blade cultist - no chance he goes evil

zuljarra seems to be the more reasonable of the two though based on datamines

[tulip sun]

Yeah

Just hoping we see some reason we can play them in the horde

Like Man'ari and Darkfallen

We also have new Torntusks in the files- maybe kids of Primal and Elder Torntusk!

[rain cave]

customisation unlocked :))))

I hope that means body types and not just skin colours

[rain cave]

honestly I was wondering if they were twins so they could directly set up horde/alliance factions

but because they're seemingly going down the "fold this race into base troll as a customisation" method, I doubt it now

[tulip sun]

Hopefully that just means they join the horde

[fathom fulcrum]

omg helf chocobo 😍

HEXXIT GAYMING

[clear apex]

From what I've seen on data mining its just been 3-4 skin colors of green and a few hair colors

No new bodies listed

[fathom fulcrum]

I mean... just create a green orc

there you go, amani troll

[clear apex]

It would be nice, since it exists, for them to offer the dracthyr body types to others. By that i mean the rigging exists, just get the model on there to work

[tulip sun]

Yeah the drastic difference between the customizations and the npc forest trolls are gonna take me out of it a bit

[clear apex]

I think Amani are so ugly lol
They're like ninja turtle orcs, they don't give "troll" at all

Weird decision to use orcs model imo. Where did the noses go

[fathom fulcrum]

akshually given the "elven unity" stuff i would not mind if they swapped Void elf with High elf and just... let you choose which faction you wanna join similar to Pandaren

would be pretty cool personally

[tulip sun]

I disagree with that. Especially the latest model that Zul'jarra has looks better

[clear apex]

I think helf are canonically more alliance?

[fathom fulcrum]

High Elves are Alliance yes

[clear apex]

Just personal pref

They're orc bodies and id rather have seen beefier zandalari used

[fathom fulcrum]

but the Pandaria starting zone lets you choose whichever faction u wanna join (at least in Classic)

would be cool if they did something like that for the elves, but i know it aint happening

[clear apex]

I've wanted the choice in faction for a long time but some just wouldn't make sense

[fathom fulcrum]

iirc could be wrong, cuz i speedran through it for the mount tbh

xd

[clear apex]

I do think allied race reasons for joining certain factions is stupid

[fathom fulcrum]

allied races are kinda stupid imo

[clear apex]

After a million years we earthen choose to join X faction and if i see my long time friend, I'll murder you

[fathom fulcrum]

I wonder if there will ever be a war or something

doesnt seem like it yet

even the Stromgarde civil war was such a nothinburger

but Stromgarde tabard, W

the interesting parts are in the books, the in-gayme campaign is pretty lame

[clear apex]

We're literally at war with the void

[fathom fulcrum]

i mean faction war

[clear apex]

Boring. Already happened

[fathom fulcrum]

death to the forsaken guys ong

||rip Turalyon|| ):

i am gonna miss that charakter

[tulip sun]

Tbf in that case, lorewise we dont see Earthen formally join the factions. Of course RP wise you can do anything, and gameplaywise you'll be considered one. But we dont see formal groups or even lore individuals join them.

The most we see is the council of Dornogal send an Ambassador to the factions to keep relations open.

[clear apex]

i understand that

it was a joke partly

[tulip sun]

I imagine Haranir will be similar to Earthen in that regard

[upper pasture]

And for the most part we are at peace between the factions, it’s not like faction leaders told them “hey see those blue guys over there? We might have to kill them one day”

[fathom fulcrum]

i am personally not a big fan of making Earthen and Haranir playable 😔

work on the old races plz 😔

[upper pasture]

Why not both?

[rain cave]

they don't

the female skeleton uses the fem orc animations sure

but male amani use troll animations

[rain cave]

new races sell historically

race changes generate more money than barbershops lmao

[clear apex]

i love this so much

[lavish raptor]

The stuff we saw in the first trailers was probably rough mockups

[fathom fulcrum]

yeaaaaah i dont think i have seen that many Earthen running around

[rain cave]

I mean, whether the new races have been good is a different debate

[fathom fulcrum]

well Earthen arent imo

[rain cave]

I think earthens fantasy is very cool, and I like them as a concept a lot

but they're not something I'd play xD

[lavish raptor]

Their eating racial blows and I think that's what messes them up

[rain cave]

unless it was maybe a shaman

[fathom fulcrum]

I dont like their personality personally

[rain cave]

no scottish accents is criminal

[fathom fulcrum]

so tru

they are weird and ugly, fake dwarves

[clear apex]

Im a huge fan of haranir due to their range of customizations

[rain cave]

harranir look very cool

[fathom fulcrum]

horde dwarves, ew

[rain cave]

though I do think they might be been "beutified" after the low adoption of earthen

[fathom fulcrum]

I mean... sure just no more reskins please

[rain cave]

hence why people are able to make things that don't look like the harranir we've had

[fathom fulcrum]

Vulpera allied race = good

Mechagnome allied race = bad (customization, instead)

[rain cave]

like they used to be feral elves with spines and tusks but I'm seeing some beutiful customisations now, not saying that's bad but

it's interesting that they're adding new aesthetics

[tulip sun]

Tensions are still pretty high. We never even had a formal peace treaty

[lavish raptor]

I like the female bearded earthen concept

[tulip sun]

Afaik its still a truce

[rain cave]

same, but I'd never use it

[fathom fulcrum]

dude... even woman Thrall and Danath Trollbane are like chill

[rain cave]

as much as I love monster races I must admit I like a good pretty character

unless they're like truly alien then I'm on board

[lavish raptor]

I think my thing is that I have so many toons already that making new toons w/ different races feel extra redundant

[rain cave]

like I wanted ascended nerubians playable so bad

and imo they work lore wise

[fathom fulcrum]

I wish Jaina and Baine got married

[clear apex]

I didnt find earthen ladies pretty enough to play 8|
and i thought their race was a bit boring, theyre really just dwarf shaped PCs to me

[fathom fulcrum]

dude i wish they gave body 2 dwarves facial hair

that would be cool af

[clear apex]

...they did?

[fathom fulcrum]

no?

[clear apex]

oh you said dwarf not earthen lol

[fathom fulcrum]

the real dwarves, not the rocky impostors

[clear apex]

yeah that would be cool

[tulip sun]

The entire questline wouldnt have happened without tension existing. And we see it in what we see of Alpha so far- a lot

[rain cave]

Anduin already worked directly with nerubians, we are allies with them. And it's established that even though some nerubians were ascended against their will, all of them were misled, and the ascended don't fit into the society of nerubians anymore. Not to mention the new leadership probably doesn't want them around. cue anduin offering a hand to let them join the alliance

[fathom fulcrum]

spiders

[rain cave]

or make them neutral idgaf

[lavish raptor]

Jaina only bangs men that cause drama in her life

[fathom fulcrum]

Kalecgos 😔

[lavish raptor]

Yeah the jaina/kalec relationship was wild

[rain cave]

was?

did they split?

[fathom fulcrum]

they were dating

yeah

[lavish raptor]

They broke up in legion I think

[fathom fulcrum]

they broke up gg

[rain cave]

oop I missed that

[lavish raptor]

Maybe before that idr

[rain cave]

honestly Jaina doesn't need relationship story

[fathom fulcrum]

Jaina + Baine 👀

[rain cave]

idk if it even fits her current characterization

I don't think she can ever recover from her trauma

not fully

[fathom fulcrum]

miss Calia assassinated 😔

[lavish raptor]

Yeah it was legion because jaina got pissed that the kirin tor let the horde back into dalaran

[rain cave]

speaking of calia and jaina

[fathom fulcrum]

based

[rain cave]

where is jainas brother at

[fathom fulcrum]

Boralus xd

oh u mean the other one?

[rain cave]

the undead one

[fathom fulcrum]

idk ):

[rain cave]

chilling with calia

[fathom fulcrum]

Vanessa and Cecilia marriage when 🤔

[tulip sun]

It doesnt need to be a focus. But realistically all these noble families should be trying to expand and get heirs

Theyre all almost extinct

[rain cave]

down with the monarchy bro ✊

[fathom fulcrum]

Gnomes got presidential elections though

[rain cave]

I could see nobles preasuring anduin to marry somebody from the new arathi empire place

once contact is made

but anduin would not want that

[fathom fulcrum]

Taelia Fordragon 😏

[tulip sun]

Heck Genn was pressuring Anduin

[fathom fulcrum]

ewwwww

Genn did some evil stuff

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/wrathion-prince-wrathion-world-of-warcraft-gif-24423419

[tulip sun]

I dont know if id call it evil. Just being realistic in their world.

The kingdom needs stability and a set heir

[rain cave]

remember when people were going crazy for an anduin x wrathion relationship 😭

[fathom fulcrum]

betraying the Alliance and causing a civil war

sounds pretty evil

[tulip sun]

Huh?

[rain cave]

was there even any evidence for it or was it just people wanting yaoi

[fathom fulcrum]

Wrathion dead in midnight ):

F

Neltharion 2

[tulip sun]

As much as we may wish otherwise, Anduin hasn't been shown yo have interest in men (yet).

[lavish raptor]

I don't always need evidence for ships. I'm still an Illidan x Maiev shipper

I'm going to go nuts in Lemix every time I do the cathedral dungeon

[fathom fulcrum]

bro left the Alliance after 2nd war and built the greymane wall, Lord Darius Crowley got angery cuz it secluded his villages and war happened

[tulip sun]

Anduin has a several noble lineage woman to choose from rn 👀

[fathom fulcrum]

miss Fordragon 👀

[rain cave]

as far as I'm concerned, every fictional character is bi until they state otherwise lmao

[fathom fulcrum]

Shaw is gay, no?

[rain cave]

ye

well could be bi

[fathom fulcrum]

Flynn Fairwind is bisexual fr fr

[tulip sun]

Hes with Flynn

[lavish raptor]

Yeah Flynn and Shaw are canonically together. Very based.

[fathom fulcrum]

bro wanted miss Fordragon, ended up with mr Shaw instead

[tulip sun]

Or even a certain Lothar if we wanna be crazy

[fathom fulcrum]

Anduin Lothar

[lavish raptor]

Crack ship Taelia and Faerin

[fathom fulcrum]

they dont even know each other 😭

[lavish raptor]

Not yet

[tulip sun]

Tess is also the last of the Greymane line.

[fathom fulcrum]

Tess is the queen now

the Worgen heritage questline kinda silly ngl

Worgen Tess literally killed Nathanos?!!?!??!

[lavish raptor]

You know what this plague poisoned city needs

More plague

[fathom fulcrum]

what u mean it would not have changed anything 🙄

[tulip sun]

Speaking of relationships. Can we develop Mayla and Baine more. Theyve been holding hands in the background for a decade

[lavish raptor]

I barely remember the worgen heritage questline I did it like yrs ago

[fathom fulcrum]

uhm... Tess wants to become Worgen so u like take her to Goldrinn

and bro takes her to the emeral dream version of Gilneas invasion

where she is Worgen and stuff

trying to save her brother iirc

dont remember much either tbh

[tulip sun]

Yup. She realizes she doesnt need the curse to lead her people.

[fathom fulcrum]

Nathanos dies though 👀

based

[mortal owl]

Considering every NPC in Shadowlands is "dead", i'm saying Nathanos is probably waiting for Sylvannas in Revendreth.

[upper pasture]

no shot he didn't end up in the maw, clearly the jailer didn't have a use for him or else he would have been somewhere during SLs

[tropic trail]

Is he back in midnight?

[little hound]

Considering no NPC was datamined for him? Doubt it. And seeing as Sylvanas is returning, i'm guessing even if Sylvanas saved him? His soul was either released for redemption, or she asked him to do her job in the Maw while she comes to help us.

[tropic trail]

Hm weird cause Tyrande said something which would implicate that the Jailer did something to him

But still it would be funny plot to see him back haha 😆

[fathom fulcrum]

nah i was talking about emerald dream version of Gilneas xd

[little hound]

Worst case: He used his soul as fuel and yeah, gone. Worst case, i don't really care xD He was raised from a Human bully, into an undead simp. Man died a simp, can't say he'd be of any use anyways

[upper pasture]

Probably implying that he was sent to the maw and not needed for anything else

[tropic trail]

Yeah

[ember blaze]

yeah why was tess not turned into a worgen

she should have embraced the “curse” to lead her people

accept that as part of your kingdom of who you guys are

her remaining human is the most boring and lame way to end it

[uncut vault]

It's an interesting idea to highlight the downsides of the worgen curse

unfortunately that's the only thing they did for their heritage

[upper pasture]

eh, that's sorta the whole point of the storyline tho, right? she feels like she has to turn to lead them and finds out that she in fact doesn't have to be their leader?

[uncut vault]

WoW's always been a story built on inversion, the cool inversion of the worgen is that this horrible uncontrollable curse designed to tear the Gilneans apart was what brought them together to save their people

from BfA onward we've gotten a lot of "inversions of the inversion" style writing which basically just brings things back to the typical fantasy trope

Genn's main poke is "Our curse is also our greatest strength" for a reason, but neither their heritage nor the Reclamation of Gilneas did anything to highlight that

[fathom fulcrum]

Myth gear in delves vault surely

[upper pasture]

I think we might see myth gear from nightmare prey tbh

[fathom fulcrum]

wft is that

the bounty thing?

yeah

interesting, hopefully it wont be champ

[upper pasture]

Yes, it’s the new solo thing they are adding to the game but has been confirmed to apply to the same rows as delves and world events

[clear apex]

prey seems awesome

[upper pasture]

i think adding myth track vault rewards once a week there would fit nicely, since it's literally something you have to do solo at the nightmare tier

[fathom fulcrum]

kraaaazy you cant get myth from delve vault

odd choice

[upper pasture]

maybe we will in midnight, no one knows forsure.

[deep pawn]

They said it'd be heroic vaults

[upper pasture]

im sorta glad they didn't introduce it with TWW cause then it would have just created false numbers for delve engagement

[fathom fulcrum]

hero gear? 😭

brooooo

[deep pawn]

Blizzard is very hesitant to let you earn actual myth track loot solo

[upper pasture]

they said the reward structure isn't finished as it's the last thing they iron out

[fathom fulcrum]

I mean i dont really see why theyd be gatekeeping myth gear

like who cares 😭

[upper pasture]

but like i said, i wouldn't be surprised at all to see myth come from nightmare prey as it's not something you'd be able to carry people through and you'd have to earn it on your own

it would be very nice, but that would also mean they need to make nightmare prey actually hard and not stupid easy

[fathom fulcrum]

akshually the top sekret artifact appearance for Fury Warrior is not that bad

anyone knows whether the top sekret appearances are unlockable or nah? 🤔

[ember blaze]

just to clarify, youre saying nightmare mode disables grouping up?

[upper pasture]

they said you have to do it solo?

in the preview

[ember blaze]

well i saw an interview saying you can group up lol

[upper pasture]

hmmmm

[ember blaze]

but i didnt hear anything about one mode disabling it

also

you can apparently even help someone doing it

i assume it would look like radiant echoes

u dont have to be in the phase to target someone doing it

s ou can heal them or buff them

[upper pasture]

they specifically said you cannot help someone in nightmare but the lower ones you can

you also cannot target people and heal them in radiant echoes if you aren't in the echo too

[ember blaze]

that isnt true

i literally did that 2 days ago

[upper pasture]

it was in s1

[fathom fulcrum]

nobody knows 😔

[ember blaze]

i gave some dragon doing it my aug buffs while they were in it

[upper pasture]

i was watching my buddy run around and he was untargetable

[ember blaze]

but i couldnt see anything they were hitting

but i could hit them

[clear apex]

Wait, so prey can be done in groups?

[fathom fulcrum]

lower difficulty allegedly

[clear apex]

Hmm don't know if i like that

It feels like it's meant to be a little bit of a solo challenge

[ember blaze]

its a hard balance so u dont then "force" higher end players into doing it

i think its certainly something that can be unlocked eventually

like they did add some mythic crests to tier 11 delves

but its obviously slower for u

[clear apex]

Maybe im stupid, but, i honestly don't get the big deal about getting the highest ilvl if someone is solo player

[ember blaze]

well u technically can

from the crests above

on most pieces

[clear apex]

I'm at 690,i took a 2 month break, and things are easy. I don't feel like as solo i need 700

[ember blaze]

like u can eventually craft a mythic wep

rings/necks

embellishment pieces

[clear apex]

This incoming stat squish is gonna mess with me for a while

[ember blaze]

then heroic upgrades to... 2/6? mythic right

[clear apex]

No i just mean, what good are they unless you join in for keys or mythic

[ember blaze]

not sure what you mean

oh i see

well, gear progression is a core part of the game

and everyone likes to progress their gear over time

even if ure a world quest only player

[clear apex]

Yeah but for world content, why is heroic/ mythic gear felt like it's needed, i guess

[ember blaze]

its not but

i do think its fine at the level it is at

like solo play u can still upgrade your set pieces to 2/6 mythic

u can still craft some mythic pieces at 5/6

so u got good gear progression

[clear apex]

I'm really happy i can use the catalyst to get appearances but that's my only thing i chase after

[ember blaze]

have u heard?

[clear apex]

... what

... no...

They're not taking this from me are they?

[upper pasture]

myth tier will only come from myth items

[ember blaze]

upgrading no longer gets u that higher difficulty appearance 😮‍💨

[clear apex]

Oh

Ive been turning champion gear into the normal heroic appearance

Err just normal raid**

[ember blaze]

but if u loot heroic i think u will get all the previous versions

as long as its the full set

[clear apex]

Good

[ember blaze]

but u cant upgrade to get mythic

[clear apex]

I've got mythic stuff from older raids and don't want to run the lower

That's fine

[dense plover]

is this a thing on retail?

[ember blaze]

but if u can stomach keys ure gonna need to run 10s for some myth pieces

[clear apex]

I'm going to tell you a secret, I've only ever run one key

[upper pasture]

im hopeful there will be enough negative feedback that they revert that change to mog break points.

[ember blaze]

its such a weird drawback to add

[upper pasture]

it really is

[ember blaze]

like players have been asking to unlock all previous if u unlock a higher difficulty one

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

but then

like just why

[dense plover]

with the skip, i finished waking shores at level 16

so it looks like they may have decreased xp from quests somewhat

[upper pasture]

also tho, maybe with how simple all the classes are being "dumbed down" maybe all classes will be easier to play so...... /shrug

[ember blaze]

i hope that new player experience is better 🤔

[dense plover]

classes really arent being dumbed down

you just dont need to press 3 buttons before pressing your actual abilities

it feels really good

[ember blaze]

my little brother lost interest and found it confusing last time i got him to play lol

[clear apex]

just dont need it to be as dumbed down as some ff14 classes (rip summoner)

[upper pasture]

they said there will be less syncing up procs

[fathom fulcrum]

Warrior is now 2 buttons, lets goooooo

[ember blaze]

like live?

[fathom fulcrum]

excuse me?

live is like 4

[ember blaze]

if u got 2 fillers, im only gonna count that as 1

[dense plover]

yes, because arcane mage on live has one of the worst rotations ive ever seen, and nothing should work like that

[upper pasture]

so, you just have to learn the rotation and not the mental calculus that is sub rogue

[ember blaze]

2 crappy fillers u spam and one single spender

[clear apex]

i cannot get into playing rogue, maybe im actually bad at a class.

[fathom fulcrum]

this shield kinda kraaaazy

[clear apex]

why do they seem to lack aoe

[fathom fulcrum]

mr Neltharion?!!!?!?

[ember blaze]

depends on the spec

[upper pasture]

oh i KNOW i'm bad at rogue lol

[ember blaze]

outlaw is all about cleaving at like 8 targets

sub is uncapped aoe with burst windows

idk how ass works lol

[upper pasture]

didn't stop me from playing it, i tried sub for a few weeks just because i hate myself but outlaw was pretty fun

[clear apex]

maybe ill try that sometime, otherwise she's getting gone

[fathom fulcrum]

wft uncap Warrior 😡

[ember blaze]

but i think rogue is just not very intuitive

and has too much rng

stealth gameplay also sucks in pve

[upper pasture]

too much rng and a bad tank can screw you hard

[clear apex]

i play feral and im used to the points and all but rogue just sucks for me

[ember blaze]

like sometimes u want to be chaining, but youre punished needing to re stealth

i think theyre removing stealth gameplay from outlaw though

[clear apex]

oh! that might be nice, perhaps ill keep her and see how it plays in Mid

[dense plover]

found in valdrakken

nothing else yet tho

so not implemented yet

[little hound]

yes

[dense plover]

idk if anyone specified how you get the amani troll appearances for darkespear

but this is how

[little hound]

It has been shown, but yeah.

[tulip sun]

So pretty much the zone storyline

Expected. Hmmmm.

I really want them to join the Horde to explain the customization 😂 😂

[fathom fulcrum]

bruuuuuh whyd u do that 😭

"from PvP" lemme guess

kill 1000 people with artifact weapon

cuz PvP appearances are actually honor level based

so i guess i am gonna be missing that one tint cuz "hIsToRiCaL cOnTeXt"

cool

[upper pasture]

just get the 1000 kils when you're not in remix?

[fathom fulcrum]

does that work though?

🤔

[clear apex]

I don't think the pvp ones work now

[fathom fulcrum]

mind u its like a 30 ilvl item

so u need a friend for it, if it does

[upper pasture]

you just mog the apperance no? just like the dungeon ones?

[clear apex]

You can't earn them

[fathom fulcrum]

u need to kill 1000 people with the artifakt weapon

[clear apex]

The pvp artifact ones are locked

[fathom fulcrum]

no?

[clear apex]

Some of them are

[fathom fulcrum]

okay i am really confused about what they mean "PvP" artifact

cuz the pvp ones clearly arent

the sekret appearance that requires u to murder 1000 people is then

like i literally unlocked my first pvp appearance by getting to level 10 honor 😭

omw to Valhalla

[clear apex]

Oh hmm, i thought some were unearned now

Maybe i mistook it

[upper pasture]

only the MT one is

[fathom fulcrum]

and the kill 1000 people tint is i guess

[upper pasture]

and any of the tints behind the MT ones if you don't have the 1st MT one

[fathom fulcrum]

if u unlocked MT during legion u can unlock the rest anytime, no?

[upper pasture]

yes

[fathom fulcrum]

on that charakter at least

[fathom fulcrum]

those are the pvp ones, no?

started playing during Dragonflight

PvP do be unlockable

[clear apex]

🤔 guess i was looking at the mt ones
But this is the beta channel 8p

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah?

i mean... Legion Remix is PTR atm, no?

[upper pasture]

yes, any of them besides the MT is unlockable

[fathom fulcrum]

i really hope the 1000 kills one is somehow obtainable, if not THAT ONE missing tint is so gonna piss me off

its 100% gonna be the color I like the most

[upper pasture]

IF you own the MT tint one skin you can still unlock the other tints locked behind it, however you CANNOT unlock MT tint 1 anymore

[fathom fulcrum]

i mean they could have just made all the artifakt appearances available, just saying

ahead of the curve mount

you werent exclusive enough 😔

[upper pasture]

agreed but no use beating a dead horse

[fathom fulcrum]

just pisses me off that i will have part of the appearances locked, cuz muh prestige

but whatever

[upper pasture]

yes yes, we know. many of us feel the same way

[fathom fulcrum]

if anything having ONE SINGLE TINT of the sekret appearance locked would piss me off even more than not having MT

honestly

it would be quite hilarious if they locked pvp tints away with Lemix

need this set for the cape only ong

YOOOOOOO

GNOMISH ARTIFAKT WEAPON??!?!

[dense plover]

thats old - why is this in beta-ptr-spoilers?

secret artifact appearances are from legion

which was almost 10 years ago

[fathom fulcrum]

Legion Remix is also PTR

🤔

isnt that Legion?

[lavish raptor]

technically it isnt live content yet.....

it is but it isnt

[upper pasture]

yeah but the way you get it hasn't changed so there really isn't a reason it couldn't be talked about in retail

[fathom fulcrum]

aight then 🙄

my bad

[ember blaze]

is that a bow or a glaive? lol

[fathom fulcrum]

gun xd

BM artifakt

[little hound]

Looks like a stupid LEGO Weapon.

[dense plover]

its existed since nearly a decade ago

its a secret skin for the legion gun artifact

so they could have a bow option

because i believe at the time they had stricter transmog restrictions

[clear apex]

It's nerf, or nuthin 😎

[austere gazelle]

the helm and the cape are fire for DH

[dull sage]

I actually like the Sargerei and Headless horseman set mixed together. Feels like the two sets were made for mix/matching.

[plain violet]

Hello @dense plover , bothering you again for the redmoon, sorry.. 🙏🏽

[rain cave]

Call me a nitpicker but because the horseman armour is more of a blue steel than the fel green steel I’d not wear them together

Like they don’t match in my eyes

Also the fel armour has purple cloth, while horseman has red

This is why I long for them to add some kind of colour customisation to armour, there’s so many sets that are just a smidge off of working well together

Because colours clash

[dense plover]

Oh shoot ok

I’ll check today

Do you know where on the talent tree that is?

[plain violet]

Sure, guardian druid talent tree, on the right, double node!

No worries aha!

[summer star]

Are they really making the player massacre the Amani at the end of Eversong?

[deep pawn]

in a misunderstaing maybe

The Amani are entering eversong to take Dawnwood they need

the Amani are trying to avoid combat but you know elves and trees

[dense plover]

its a red beam with a moon and a dark cloud

what were you specifically asking about?

[plain violet]

oooh thanks you, would you have a screen?

Yes thanks!

yes yes yes!

[dense plover]

cant do any better

[plain violet]

It's perfect! :)

[dense plover]

its essentially moonfire but red

[plain violet]

Well, at least the name clearly showed what it was... thanks! I wanted to be sure. 😁

Thanks you again, it's useful for me to check any new FX. :)

[dense plover]

ok this is cool

the darkway delve is suramar

in the tunnels

helps to show the twilight's blade isnt just in eversong

[proper palm]

Whoah, look like nightmare druid 😮

[dense plover]

it has a map

looks familiar - i think this mightve been used somewhere before?

yup

clever

[proper palm]

Oh yes

[dense plover]

probably ok tbh

why not reuse the map

[proper palm]

I remember the demon area xD

[dense plover]

layout is different for this story at least

sides are closed off

its unfortunately not designed super well

[lavish raptor]

Does this mean Nightborne demon hunters

[dense plover]

pretty much a given eventually

to balance out void elf DHs

[lavish raptor]

Nice

I've been going on about velf and nborne dh for yrs and people would argue that it wouldn't make sense

[dense plover]

unfortunate that the delve is a messy not fun delve

hopefully will see improvements

concept is solid

[exotic marten]

ah yes, the historically peaceful amani trolls

[dense plover]

dont know if anyone has shown off valeera's kit

wtf watcher

im trying to show abilities

this is healer

differences for damage dealer are below

[lone mantle]

[dense plover]

realized i should show a full page overview so you can see which were removed

dps

healer

tank stuff starts here

definitely find her to be more interesting than brann mechanically

[deep pawn]

They knew they wouldn't get permission so didn't ask lol

[exotic marten]

sometimes its easier to ask for forgiveness

[dense plover]

curios i have found so far - first two are combat, 3rd is utility

utility curio has a neat visual

[deep pawn]

Except we apparently kill a bunch first before we realize why they want the wood

But kill first ask later is kinda on brand for elves and trees.

[exotic marten]

its on brand for practically every race in the setting, including the trolls

hence the quip about the "historically peaceful trolls"

[deep pawn]

I get that but my impression of the story is they are trying to avoid a fight this time

but Elves mistake it as an invasion

[plain violet]

Awesome!

[dense plover]

too bad the actual delve is kinda terrible

writing up my thoughts as i play through the last one of the 3 they want tested (parhelion plaza)

so far darkway is the worst of the 3 - feels the least finished

[plain violet]

Ah shoo.. x_x

Also, do you know the names of the haranir quest gear, if it's already in the alpha?

For delves, I generallly find them very hit or miss..

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/alpha-1-delve-feedback/2178956

there we go

[dense plover]

no way to really check

we only have one zone

only item relevant to the haranar stuff

delve chest drop - ilvls are bugged

[plain violet]

Understood, thanks you! :)

[plain violet]

Thanks!

[glass fulcrum]

Do we have a Fungal Folley replacement as in giant open room delve

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/eversong-questline-finale-is-bad/2178961 made one for the eversong quest issue

[dense plover]

we dont have access to most of the delves yet

but probably? the outdoor delves seem to fill this niche kinda

parhelion plaza is essentially two concentric rings with a boss platform in the center

all you need to do is repair some barricades and kills some guys in the story variant i got

[plain violet]

Thanks!

[upper pasture]

"We’ve seen a great deal of feedback from players about how they hope to continue upgrading the look of class set items, which has been possible since patch 10.1 by upgrading items to the point that their required crest type changed. In Midnight, there will only be one crest type per item track, and we agree that this is functionality worth keeping in the game, so we’re changing how it works.

In Midnight, we’re maintaining that functionality with a clearer trigger: reach the highest level of power within a tier, and you unlock the next tier’s appearance.

Class set and raid weapon appearances will now change after the item has been fully upgraded to 6/6 on its upgrade track."

and there was peace among the transmog community

[autumn relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[austere gazelle]

what does " there will be only one crest type per item track " means ? 🤔

[upper pasture]

no more over lap on crests

so no more 4 of one then 4 of another it's just all one type

the upgrade tracks that is, so no more needing say runed for the first half then gilded to finish it. it will be all gilded or all runed

[austere gazelle]

does that means that hero raid will drop hero crest- finally ?

( I mean runed )

[upper pasture]

hero raid does drop runed?

doesn't it?

[austere gazelle]

Oh wait I'm confused, yeah that means hero item will be able to be fully upgraded from hero raid

no more weird stuff were you required half mythic to max them

[deep pawn]

sounds like it

but it makes crests weird for m+

do gilded only start dropping at +10 then?

do you still get some pity gilded from hero and delves for crafting?

[dense plover]

yeah how does that work for delves?

delve gear doesnt go above champion except the weekly pieces

and gilded crests from +11s would essentially be worthless

[deep pawn]

You can still craft

[zealous sedge]

Great change glad they listened

[upper pasture]

im not shocked they back tracked it honestly

[zealous sedge]

I’m not either

[pulsar minnow]

Do we know if it’ll be retroactive?

[upper pasture]

the change never happened

it was a change for midnight

[pulsar minnow]

I mean like are we gonna get appearances below mythic if we already have them before midnight

[zealous sedge]

I hope they streamline the crests and actually name the crests explorer, veteran, champion etc

[upper pasture]

the tier set stuff is retroactive

[zealous sedge]

Instead of runed, weathered, you know

[dense plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/PmTFqgIz2N

[fathom fulcrum]

https://fxtwitter.com/devilsaurids/status/1974723685182513395

deva 🌙 (@devilsaurids)

zayum 😍

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[long raven]

why dmg numbers are so low at alpha?
they will lower all numbers with midnight?

[upper pasture]

yes, we are getting a stat squish in prepatch

it's been known since blizzcon lol

[little hound]

I honestly think that's just a huge +++

I feel the game is getting abit too high in numbers, if i wanted OP Numbers, i'd play Diablo and crit trillions

It gives a feeling on normality with low numbers.

[deep pawn]

I prefer when squishes come at lore appropriate points like post legion

[rain cave]

Also big numbers only feel satisfying if there’s small numbers to contrast

[deep pawn]

In an ideal world the squish waited for post TLT but odds are we're getting a mega squish then

[rain cave]

Like if heroic throw is doing 10k damage, but is functionally a poke with a needle

[deep pawn]

14.0 I'd bet brings a level squish

[austere gazelle]

They even improved it

Since now it applies also to weapons

[novel zodiac]

i have a question about housing, how do neighboors work?, can i be in one with friends but if we're less than 55 invite random people to fill it?

i dont want it to feel empty

[dense plover]

Neighborhoods are generated as they fill up. So at launch if there is one neighborhood, once it’s 80% full, a new neighborhood will be added

There will probably be more than one at launch

Also neighborhoods are random people by default

[novel zodiac]

but i thought that i could create and manage one and fill it with guildies or friends

[lavish raptor]

Guilds can have their own neighborhood

[dense plover]

youll be able to have a private neighborhood for friends as well, but youll need a minimum number of people to sign up before you can open it, and you cant fill it with randoms - i believe private neighborhoods have fewer houses

[deep pawn]

All neighborhood phases are capped at 50

Guilds just share a cluster of phases

[clear apex]

After seeing a video for it, I'm sad about a lot of class changes they're making

I feel it's been made too simple

[dense plover]

its not

[clear apex]

It looks that way though

[dense plover]

it isnt though

i have alpha

[clear apex]

Fire mage appears to get 4-6 spells now

[dense plover]

ah yes instead of 9 spells but 3 of them are spells you use before using a different spell

theyre just taking the effects and moving them into combined uses

[clear apex]

You really don't have to be so passive aggressive sounding

[dense plover]

im not

im telling you thats what theyre doing

tho a few specs are currently a bit over simplified

for alpha 1 they nailed it generally

this is the best alpha balancing ive seen

[clear apex]

But you do, often.
I'm giving my opinions on what I've been able to see. I might still feel that way when it goes live

I don't want what happened with ff14

[dense plover]

theyll fix the rest

[dense plover]

this is nothing like ff14

ff14's problem is not that its simple

some classes in 14 have more buttons than some in wow

[clear apex]

They literally killed summoner by being ultra simple

[dense plover]

the problem in 14 is that classes all have the same cooldowns, and basic rotation concept

theres always a 90 sec or 120 sec cooldown, there is always a 4-6 button rotation that has a correct order

thats ff14

[clear apex]

You are right in that once i can play it, i might feel ok with it

[dense plover]

theyll be different btw

this is alpha 1

[clear apex]

But looking at it without being able to play it yet, it feels really dumbed down

[dense plover]

we will see significant class iteration over the next 5-6 weeks

[clear apex]

I really don't want hunter having multishot taken though. I use that for grabbing mobs

[dense plover]

multishot isnt gone though?

its just replaced for beast mastery with a different aoe

[clear apex]

Oh, then i guess i misunderstood what Kelani said then

[dense plover]

yeah a lot of the videos ive seen from hunter people legit dont get the changes

for example all the people doom and glooming over survival dont understand that it isnt a haste spec anymore

[clear apex]

It sounded very "you're losing an aoe"

Im excited about survival

[dense plover]

its crit/mastery now b/c kill command is just on the GCD instead of having a cooldown

and its all about bombs and stuff

its very fun

[clear apex]

The bombs im less excited about, but the dual wield sounds great

[dense plover]

this is a constant thing i have seen with videos about the class changes from people who are seeing "X has changed" but dont bother to actually read the WHY and WHAT that details the specifics

[deep pawn]

I mean Blizzard does love its passive cleave melees

I can get people upset and losing a dedicated AoE button but in general Blizzard seems to find balancing those hell.

[dense plover]

i mean its still a dedicated button

it just has a cooldown but works differently

[clear apex]

Arcane mage looks more fun and im happy frost gets its elemental back

[deep pawn]

which one? All its skills seem to be intended for single target rotations too

in that way it's very much like specs like Havoc, Assassination, Sub, etc

I think havoc is incredibly fun to play, so I'm not saying it's immediately bad design

But I get why people are worried.

[dense plover]

well half the class tree is missing right now

so i think demon hunters need to calm down

[deep pawn]

that's a tangent. I was comparing Havoc on live to what they're doing with Survival on Alpha. 😛

[dense plover]

oh lol

isnt havoc great in aoe?

[deep pawn]

It is! But it's rotation is basically the same.

[dense plover]

ah yeah

i dont think thats bad tho

[deep pawn]

Some people do.

[dense plover]

those people shouldnt design games

ff14 has separate aoe and st rotations but the only difference is the button - the mechanics are essentially identical

new survival has an ability that does a cone but can be aimed by rotating the player (boomstick) and i think that is a far more interesting implementation of aoe vs st

its in how you use the ability

vs having separate abilities

my mmo doesnt need a 14 button combat rotation

and i sure as shit dont want any class to have whatever abomination arcane mage currently has

my friend showed me a pic and i wanted to die

what the hell is this?

and this sucks too

i shouldnt need a wiki to play a spec

[upper pasture]

My mmo doesn’t need 2 different 14 button rotations for ST or AoE

[dense plover]

also that

[proper palm]

This

[dense plover]

6-8 buttons is honestly plenty with 1-3 situational but strong abilities mixed in

again, a few specs right now on alpha missed the mark

but overall this is the best the game has felt in a long time imo

[deep pawn]

Arcane is another one that really doesn't change what it does in AoE or Single Target

it's AoE is all incidental cleave.

[dense plover]

yeah but the rotation itself is stupid

[upper pasture]

I might be getting old but like I like being able to play a bunch of different classes/specs and not have to go read fourms/guides and what not to be effective

[proper palm]

Personnaly i love the mage arcane visual, i know how to play it, but it would serisouly take so much energy to play this in M+ / Raid xD

[dense plover]

i bet a chunk of the people complaining are the same people that make written and video guides about classes and thats where a chunk of their income comes from

[uncut vault]

This isn’t new haha, it’s just a rebranded version of Fury of the Eagle

[dense plover]

yes

but it works a bit differently from my testing

range and width of the hit mainly

feels good imo

[uncut vault]

I more mean, you’re saying that survival didnt actually lose their AoE rotation differences because of it, but they did

Butchery is gone and replaced by passive uncontrollable cleave

[dense plover]

yes but butchery was also important because of how survival worked in general with it being a haste stacking class

survival works very different now

totally different stat priority

[uncut vault]

That was not what butchery was for lol, it was for bomb CDR and bleeds

[dense plover]

yeah but you dont need it for bomb cdr now

[uncut vault]

Which are still core to the new spec, even moreso

[dense plover]

that comes from other abilities

and bleeds come from bombs now if thats what you want to focus on

with SOME from pet but less than half

honestly you dont necessarily want to do bleeds as survival now

[uncut vault]

I think you’re missing the issue people are having, everything requiring input and knowledge of managing cooldowns is being removed and made entirely passive with no input

Yes it’s all still “there”, but that’s significantly less engaging

[dense plover]

uh - i hard disagree

for example, the main CDR you focus on now is the two sets of bombs

[uncut vault]

The core of the kit with tip of the spear has been removed and replaced with… nothing

[dense plover]

you want to pay attention to when its up and not so that you can use the correct abilities to reduce the cooldown of WFB

[uncut vault]

There is nothing to manage other than pressing bombs on cooldown and using basic KC/raptor strike rotation with no cooldown management

[uncut vault]

This is already part of the kit

[dense plover]

so you shouldnt pay attention to having 0 WFB then using boomstick to reduce the cooldown or using the new bomb to do that?

[uncut vault]

This isn’t a new novel thing for Midnight

[dense plover]

oy

it doesnt have to be NEW

but it plays different

and the execution IS different

i truly think people dont understand the significance of the change to Kill Command and the addition of takedown is

[uncut vault]

You might just be describing it poorly then because it still just sounds like the existing spec but with less interesting things to manage lol

[dense plover]

its all about what abilities to use when in order to reduce the cooldown of WFB or to give it charges

and then theres some syncing with takedown and redone sentinel

which btw, sentinel is now super valid for survival

[uncut vault]

Takedown is just CA with a shorter duration and passive auto attack CDR

[dense plover]

and it feels great

[uncut vault]

Which again, is just the same CDR gameplay as the current kit but less engaging

[dense plover]

ok whatever

i disagree - but maybe youll just need to try it for yourself

[uncut vault]

Respectfully, this sounds like the thoughts of someone who doesn’t particularly play Survival on live in any real capacity

[dense plover]

not currently - i did previously

but i went through the class with someone who does

and they seemed to actually like the changes once they got to try it

they were very upset about the changes before i showed them alpha

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i main brewmaster - the only thing im upset about is that exploding keg's damage is really bad right now

but thats an easy fix

[ember blaze]

yeah some stuff has definitely not been very intuitive.

channeled spells for example tend to not want you to either fully channel or constantly chain/clip

[glass fulcrum]

I just miss wildfire infusion

[ember blaze]

i think arcane mage stops their missiles cause its less dps to channel fully

which i personally dont like

then dev at a point constantly canceled it to generate reaources

[deep pawn]

I am not gonna miss tip of the spear

I either had too many or too few stacks

[long raven]

what your thoughts on balance druid eclipse rework?
imo i HATE it so much ngl..druid(especially guardian and balance) was easy and fun to play tbh
they said they wanna make the game easier to play, and now they ADDED 1 MORE BUTTON TO ROTATION ⁉️
fuck me, i didnt main balance, but it was fuckin' cool

[dense plover]

its a button that gives you control over eclipse

people who main druid really want this

[long raven]

what if they add a talent that could add that button, but not as the first talent on balance tree like now?

and if you want to use the old way, you could

IM A GENIUS

[dense plover]

cant balance around that

[long raven]

bAlAnCe i saw what u did there

[long raven]

have they confirmed already that UI addons won't be banned at midnight?

[austere gazelle]

The only addon that are " banned " ( IE not banned but will be severely limited in how they can work ) are those that can read to deep into spells and combat stuff / parsing logs

They can't " ban " specific addons, but they can prevent them to work how they used to, render them useless

but Expect several UI addon to be broken or not working on live at launch if their creators weren't allowed into beta or Alpha

[long raven]

creators need to test at beta or alpha, that you meant by that?

[austere gazelle]

yeah they need that

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-bro-celebrating-best-friends-squid-game-2-my-guy-gif-8389215730122450876

[mighty wolf]

Is this really Vereesa? HUH No way

After all these years

[rain cave]

don't be too excited, it's her CGI cutscene model

her normal one still is just a belf with a few custom armour pieces on 😭

[clear apex]

I wish player character could look that good

That's a nice model

[rain cave]

I mean, compared to other games it would run in real time