beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

and didn't have controller support lingering in the files

and didn't have a feasible method to get gametime subscriptions working on console

or a method of ensuring addons weren't leaving console players in the dust

but now they have answers for all of those things

[upper pasture]

^

[clear apex]

imagine if its on xbox though youd have to pay sub and online service fee like ff14 does

ps4 would likely just be a sub fee

they didnt require ps+ for ff14

[upper pasture]

If it’s on Xbox high chance it would also be on gamepass which would be an net win for most gamepass subscribers

[clear apex]

maybe. i could see that but maybe not, cause squenix didnt do that

i know microsoft owns blizzard but

[upper pasture]

That paired with the sudden price hike would explain it

[clear apex]

i think xbox required ESO to have some kind of game pass didnt it?

for online play reasons

[upper pasture]

You had to have Xbox live for online play but…uhhh….im not sure that’s a thingy anymore

But not gamepass per se I think it’s just free now? Idk I hardly use my Xbox anymore to really know how online play works it just does lol

[zealous sedge]

Microsoft just said gamepass price is gonna increase by 50%

So if the subscription thing is a concern there you go

Also if they did a console port it should really be its own servers imo

I know people wouldn’t like that

[upper pasture]

If anything I want a symbol or indicator that the person I’m inviting to my keys/raid is console or pc, like the dungeon debuff thingy

But until I see console port in action who knows what they will be capable of

[clear apex]

ff14 and eso work totally fine as console but people have to get used to the controller aspect.
I know eso is action based. 14 has cross hotbars that have sub menu commands, its easy overall, but no idea if blizzard would use that method

[clear apex]

yey! purple

you can customize parts of all forms and that is really neat

[dreamy dove]

What u mean with “parts”??

[clear apex]

ears, nose, quills

[upper pasture]

Oh that’s neat

[clear apex]

if you go through the article, the screens show ears variety, noses, brows, etc on like all forms

[dense bluff]

pre expansion event maybe starts 20th Jan 2026 lasting for 41 days - holidayid is missing but there is a reference to 'March of Quel'Danas' in HolidayNames and shadowlands timewalking is already penned in before expac release

[upper pasture]

Those tier sets seem mid from what I’ve seen so far

[clear apex]

yeah they look rather meh

most look a bit too similar to existing sets

cant wait to see how awful the hunter one is

warrior looks like it stepped outta WOD

[dreamy dove]

Ohh didn’t notice
I like this

[dreamy dove]

Imo only good looking are paladin and warlock
Other looks kinda lazy

[ember blaze]

people cried for class looking sets instead of raid themed

[clear apex]

i do llike the preist and pally

i miss raid themed 8|

[upper pasture]

I would go back to raid themed sets in a heartbeat tbh

[quartz lintel]

The priest set is very dumb

I wish a pure dominaar themed set

[upper pasture]

Or maybe like a mix between the both of them like first tier make raid themed then class then raid again

[quartz lintel]

Or something based on the ren'dorei idk

[dreamy dove]

I don’t get why it’s so hard for them to mix both
Raid and class themed
Would be so cool (and would make more sense)

[upper pasture]

Being solely one or the other seems it leads to being stale after a few years

[clear apex]

hope they can datamine all the haranir customization soon

[novel zodiac]

where can i see them?

[upper pasture]

#latest-news

[little hound]

I love the red Blood Knight color version on the Paladin set ❤️

[upper pasture]

The priest shoulders are nice but the set seems more paladin than priest

[elfin eagle]

Dungeon journal been released yet

[ember blaze]

blizz didnt forget about halduron?

[fathom fulcrum]

chat is this real?!!?!!!?

heckin divine shield o - o

[little hound]

Huge Spoiler.

[ember blaze]

[novel zodiac]

Dev: How many tusks do you want in to your tierset?

Warrior: yes

[pulsar minnow]

Evoker set actually looks pretty neat based on the icons

Also all the outdoor sets for season 1 are the new blue and white void elf sets

Also questing gear actually looks really cool???

Also the undreamt god is a crocodile?

[novel zodiac]

what about red and gold for blood elfs?

[pulsar minnow]

All the questing gear is red and gold blood elf gear

Also there will absolutely be recolors of the max level and leveling sets

Oh and the Twilight’s Hammer has rebranded to the Twilight’s Blade

[jade basalt]

Nah

[fathom fulcrum]

baaaased

[dense plover]

no alpha access here 🙁

[jade basalt]

Don't worry I'm getting disconnected everytime I try to speak to Turalyon

[dense plover]

i wish the people i knew still worked at blizzard

[elfin eagle]

some very azerothi colors there

[jade basalt]

Yeah he's originally one of those Manifestations from the goddess

They all look like Worldsoul Memories sort of

But this one became "real" and fleshy instead of like just a memory/manifestation

[austere gazelle]

Dunno I think we might be headed toward the blind crooked serpent

Whats interesting is that tje haranir are also kind of chimaera. So probably being dreamt into reality at some point

[clear apex]

what's 'wild elves'?

is that code for night elf?

[obtuse vine]

Maybe it’s a code name for the haranir?

[clear apex]

i was about to guess that XD

[little hound]

Most likely Haranir

[little hound]

Damn, the Cosmetics from the Prey Mode is awesome

Some Midnight Trading Post ARmor too

[little hound]

Ooo

That's cool

[jade basalt]

And an Alleria recolor

[little hound]

Oh? Where?

[jade basalt]

I'm no longer in-game but a lot of the elven sets have an Alleria recolor

Outdoor sets have one too, it's what Umbric wears

[little hound]

Loa looking LIT

Akil'zon, the Loa of Victory.

[ember blaze]

the new upcoming 30th elf allied race

[crisp steeple]

how do you find Midnight stuff on wowhead? I click the Beta button but nothing changes

[upper pasture]

It’s because it’s in alpha, I don’t think we have anything datamined yet? Just things that people who have access has shared?

[crisp steeple]

davin posted screenshots from wowhead dressing room earlier

[upper pasture]

Ah there is some stuff if you go looking through the database

[novel zodiac]

is this real?

[clear apex]

New troll skin and hair color datamined

You can basically be orc green in 4 shades now

And 4 new hair for each gender

Saw that on wowreforged insta

[pulsar minnow]

probably? I mean that extra island to the right is new I guess

[clear apex]

Isn't that just zul aman

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but that extra island wasnt seen before in the earlier datamining

[clear apex]

This makes me want a remake of stormwind and org

Gives me hope about gilneas and lordaeron

[pulsar minnow]

"The Dreamrift exists deep within the Rift of Aln, where the dreams of Aln'hara took form. Long ago, Aln'hara was taken from her Cradle, and her dreams no longer shape the powers that form there. The Shul'ka stop these manifestations that escape the rift, but even these brave haranir dare not delve too deep, and something greater and more terrible has been growing there."

Really curious what Aln'hara is going to be - whether its another name for azeroth or what. Would be a crazy reveal if Azeroth was taken from the Rift of Aln by the titans and placed into the worldcore instead- and we've had her name wrong this whole time

[ember blaze]

I'd love to see stormwind becoming a more modern city

Those big player hubs should feel as vast as suramar

did a quest that took me to suramar recently and I was reminded of the scale of that place lol

it's so good

[clear apex]

From the videos I've seen, silvermoon is massive, bigger than valdraken

Very vertical and lots of places to find

[pulsar minnow]

"don't expect to see any naga in Midnight"

hmmmm

[deep pawn]

I feel like they meant as plot points

[pulsar minnow]

I’m joking

[clear apex]

I love the mist they added over the water

[quartz lintel]

Outdoor set

In order: Cloth, plate, Mail, and Leather

The og twilight cultist from Silithus will be also available as cosmetic set

[deep pawn]

outdoor set is Umbrics new fit no?

[quartz lintel]

There are several colors, for the cloth for example, I found a red and gold version

Umbric is currently only using one pre-existing set, which is used as an outdoor set. The outdoor sets feature the designs of the Ren'dorei and Sin'dorei.

They even have icons that correspond to the set item, so it's not an NPC-only placeholder.

Haronir set is apparently for aspirant glad gear

[novel zodiac]

account are still being flagged?

[dense plover]

guess so

idk if i got on the list or if my bug report stuff went through

[upper pasture]

You’re gonna make me get up outta bed huh

[fathom fulcrum]

surely there will be 4K remastered TBC High Elf armor in Midnight DLC

[fathom fulcrum]

https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1188/windchannellers-regalia

suuuuurely

I mean... not bad... but Windchanneller 🥺

[dense plover]

i didnt get a chance to check since like 3pm PST

so it was probably sometime between 3pm and 6pm PST

[upper pasture]

Ah that makes sense lol

[agile token]

Oh baby, first Sa'bak and now Anubisath? After 16 years Blizzard remembered Uldum's lore

If anyone is able to spot more of the Anubisath cosmetics do @ me

Or item descriptions of these

[upper pasture]

Oh man, those are nice.

I think maybe uldum’s lore being brought back up might have to do with the titans returning but we will have to wait to see

[dense plover]

oof cant even get online to test due to server crashes

womp womp

[agile token]

Golden

[dense plover]

definitely trading post

[deep pawn]

I wonder if the gold sink BMAH stuff failed cause they haven't added any yet this expansion

[upper pasture]

When did we get those 10.2.5? Honestly I wouldn’t mind another gold sink now besides game time kek

Naw they were earlier than that right?

Ah yeah 10.2

[dense plover]

new dungeon journal hover for an add

he is an ally and a boss

i think we help him stop something

i like seeing all of these names here

absolutely no storylines being forgotten

this was the starter gear vs quest item

stagger actually being properly tracked now

also first time ever as brewmaster that im not using both of my bottom bars for combat stuff

keg smash actually throws a keg now

[glass fulcrum]

Can you check what heroic TWW gear ilvl is post squish, then check what classic raid ilvl is?

Curious what low level squish will result in this time, was chaotic last time

[dense plover]

lol

[dense plover]

molten core

normal

manaforge heroic

seems like plenty of difference to me

sword from normal icecrown

seems like they handled the squish fine

jesus, doubling ilvl with the first raid is kinda wild though

thats all for tonight

i gotta sleep

[quartz lintel]

Big W

[strange umbra]

The Cooldown Manager on the PTR that's up right now, is that the one that allows you to track debuffs and stuff

or is that the one on the Alpha?

[quartz lintel]

The entity that emerged from the Aln Rift is an abomination linked to the Decay. Its name is Chimaerus. We only have one icon corresponding to the boss, and it seems to have the appearance of an undead alligator at first glance.

[quartz lintel]

Chimaerus

[lone mantle]

How delightful! I am truly glad that this traitor is finally being brought to justice.

[rain cave]

The colour of the magic in it is interesting

Also the decay being mentioned is intriguing

That dragonflight gnoll is still around aren't they?

[quartz lintel]

Yep, like the Decay

[elfin eagle]

Some of these plot points are so.good

[quartz lintel]

During TWW, the Decay was in foreshadowing

[elfin eagle]

So much old stuff so many plotlines so many more plotlines a few twists

[quartz lintel]

Now that DF has canonized the 5th Old God, I remain convinced, even though this art was just a joke from the artist, it has remained in the back of the mind of Blizzard's lore staff. If you look closely, we can see the presence of bones, and worms. It's very reminiscent of Decay

The artwork for Chronicle showed the old gods alongside elements that were their themes: C'thun was at the center of the enormous structure formed with ahn-qiraj structures, N'Zoth is in the waters, Yogg around stalactites, and Y'Shaarj around buildings to signify that he was the destroyer of civilization, Rage incarnate.

[rain cave]

I mean I've long theorized that old gods are literally just void mixed with death

Because we've been told explicitly that pure void like dimensius can't just enter reality

And since life has been bound by titans

They invaded the shadowlands, stole knowledge of mourneblades (black blade) and the maldraxxus flesh creature

That also explains why the nerubians despite being old god minions, look like the maldraxxus house of spiders

And why old gods can connect to the dream, why they're so different to normal void

Also explains why galakrond had necromantic energy whilst also being hinted to have yogg's essence

Saronite as well, important to the scourge. He even calls himself a god of death

Yshaarj/ sha bear a similarity to kyrians in terms of how he functions

[quartz lintel]

The prepatch will be a huge invasion of the Twilight Blade (the Twilight Hammer, renamed), a set based on the cult will be available with a tabard

(And the og Cultist set from Silithus too)

There is apparently a title too: playername, definitively not a Cultist

The s1 keystone title will be The Umbral

There is also a mail and Plate set based on the ren'dorei

(All of that is from icons available on mmochampion and wowhead, titles and info about the prepatch are from some quests i have found in the files datamined by wowhead)

[lone mantle]

Midnight Alpha Public Test Servers are now live.

[jade basalt]

No only the white ones there are Outdoor sets

The other two are questing

We don't have Outdoor Plate and Mail yet

[worn crown]

I want him/her/it as a mount!!!

[fading lintel]

Could anyone show the whole horde exclusive only area in silvermoon?

[dense plover]

Kinda hard to show beyond circling a map

It is essentially the part of silver moon that is currently silver moon

[fading lintel]

Ya ^^

[dense plover]

Everything else is stuff that was inaccessible or originally part of the blood elf starting zone

[fading lintel]

I jus tthink it would be cool to see it

Updated

[dense plover]

There’s a decent pic on the Reddit

[fading lintel]

No i mean like a tour of it

😅

[dense plover]

That’s hard right now

That would need a video

[fading lintel]

Yea

ik

[tropic trail]

Wooot alpha spoilers 😆

Gief

[fathom fulcrum]

@me with a pic of the new Windchanneler set if you guys happen to stumble upon it

[lone mantle]

The graphics appear to have been significantly improved.

[fathom fulcrum]

thank

[fading lintel]

Do you have alpha ?

[lone mantle]

Yes.

[vast remnant]

Do you know if it will be possible to have a horde plot in an alliance neighborhood?

[tropic trail]

How u got alpha and I don’t 🤣 what’s this! I never even got beta they never inv me lol

[dense plover]

what do you mean by improved? its a new area

[lone mantle]

No, but you are able to choose the location of your house. Available themes include coastal, farmland, orchards, mountainous settings, Venthyr-inspired architecture, an eerie Duskwood atmosphere, and even a charming area adorned with fairy lights.

[clear apex]

You can use the housing you just need an alliance character to own it

[fading lintel]

@lone mantle Do you know if there are blood elf style window

[dense plover]

for horde

horde has blood elf and orc exteriors

alliance has human and night elf exteriors

[fading lintel]

No like for decor for indoors

[clear apex]

Ion, or someone in an interview mentioned smugglers that will sell you cross faction items

[dense plover]

probably

[fading lintel]

Oki

[lone mantle]

I am uncertain, but the textures and colors evoke a sense of freshness.

[dense plover]

uh - i dont appear to have midnight access anymore

nvm i see the issue

TWW beta = midnight alpha

[rain cave]

when it's not midnight anymore

[dense plover]

but uh - servers are borked again

hope they fix this today

its listed as a major known issue

look whos getting a model update!

[vast remnant]

What a disappointment, at Gamescon they confirmed that you would be able to have your plot from the opposing faction 🙁

[novel zodiac]

wait, how does this works?, because i do have access to TWW beta

[worn crown]

Really? I remember they saying that, if you have both Horde and Ally chars, the Ally one can buy the plot in Elwyiin and then the Horde can hang in there, but that the Horde one could not buy the plot there by himself.

[dense plover]

what xmchnx is exactly what they have said from the start

you are misunderstanding

[fathom fulcrum]

gg Yrel is bacc

[dense plover]

yep, the display bug is gonna screw a lot of people up

[clear apex]

having tww beta is midnight alpha?

this is what i see

ohhh they added eyelashes

[fading lintel]

When are the alpha servers up

[vast remnant]

I mean, at Gamescon, the two devs said you could have (for example) a Sin'dorei exterior in an Alliance neighborhood. Yesterday, I think in Ion's interview with mrgm, he said that Alliances only house Alliances. I mean, they've backtracked on their idea, I don't know why.

[clear apex]

He said that was miscommunication

[dense plover]

potentially - click it and if it says midnight, yes

[novel zodiac]

mine says "install"

[clear apex]

Well, you can. You can make an alliance character and buy a house that your horde character can live in. But the home exterior will look like alliance races

[zealous sedge]

https://x.com/WeakAuras/status/1974140463830778010

WeakAuras (@WeakAuras)

The time has come. There will be no WeakAuras addon for #Warcraft #Midnight

Read our blog post here: https://t.co/dsaO7I52TN

X · Oct 3, 2025, 3:52 PM

I never used WA myself but this is feels weird to actually see it happening

I mean we knew it was coming

[vast remnant]

That's what I'm trying to say, that many people want their exterior to be of the race they like, in my case blood elf, but all my friends are alliances and will make an alliance neighborhood so I will have to have a human exterior which I don't like, still thanks for answering and sorry for the inconvenience

[clear apex]

No problem at all.
And you won't need a human exterior exactly, they'll be adding exteriors over time. Maybe there's a way to give a faux exterior to look blood elf

I mostly play draenei and I'm stuck with human or night elf for a while. It sucks

[vast remnant]

Yes, I guess when they put the void elfs ones

[clear apex]

Oh! I didn't even think about that

[pulsar minnow]

For sure. I hope the cooldown tracker updates are enough to serve as true replacements to what we have now.

One thing im def worried about as an evoker player is disintegration tick tracking. Before we’d use an add on to put lines over the cast bar to know when to clip or extend disintegrate but now we just won’t have that?

Hopefully they update cast bar options to include that

[zealous sedge]

The only WA i used was the one that tracks the knowledge points you can get each week

That will be missed

I’m sure there are alot of qol things that will be missed that don’t relate to combat

[fathom fulcrum]

is WoW finished?

did it kill itself?

🤔

[rain cave]

so are they going to be adding UI stuff for like if I have X buff from talent

I think frost mage had a necessity for something like that

yee slick ice this one

if there's no WA and they still make talents like this, they need to make the buff more visible

having it in the top right is frustrating. I have a WA to put it in the middled

[dense plover]

new vs old fairbreeze village - tried to copy the approximate view

[clear apex]

its so much the same but different, i love it

[rain cave]

or for things like this, to tell you it's capped

honestly I think a simple way to communicate this stuff, is add more "glows" that can highlight an ability

[dense plover]

slightly more accurate angle

[tiny iris]

Those things would just appear in the Cooldown Manager I guess

[rain cave]

Yellow for procs, blue for "the passive buffing this is capped, so cast it now to now waste things"

[rain cave]

that's cooldowns though, not buffs/passives

arcane mage spellslinger has a thing where you want to use shifting power before your primary CD runs out but that's hard to time because it's not exactly clear WHEN that runs out

[tiny iris]

I may be mistaken but I think they said this kind of stuff would be available in the CDM eventually

[rain cave]

the icons and vfx are just eh

[tiny iris]

Also we don't know if stuff like this will stay anyway

[rain cave]

so you'd need a WA to put the buff in your center screen, probably with like text that turns red when it's about to wear off

true but we will inevitably get more complicated stuff

[tiny iris]

CDM can track buffs

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/ui/cooldown-manager-setup#tracked-buffs-bars

[rain cave]

why do I not see that in my game then :P

[tiny iris]

I don't know 😛 Also CDM will get an update next patch so we'll see

[fathom fulcrum]

wft why does it look like the place where they assassinated that poor dwarf!??!!??!

[dense plover]

anyone with alpha know where a fishing trainer or cooking trainer is?

[echo frost]

New mageweave is cursed

[dense plover]

this is the catalyst guys

[clear apex]

ken doll

wait though, is that an update to it?!

[echo frost]

Yep

[clear apex]

good lord, they really went ...with not much on the nethers

[tropic trail]

Epic

[clear apex]

texture is broken, found it on the dressing room. the butt part stops in a weird place

i do like the pants version

[upper pasture]

Oh it’s like dipping our items into the off waters of the sunwell to catalyze them?

[dense plover]

no - just a big ass forge

[upper pasture]

Oh thats less exciting

[dense plover]

its very cool looking

[rain cave]

surprised they're doing updated textures for outfits like this nowadays but not complaining

[deep pawn]

what do you mean? GENDER EQUALITy

[dense plover]

yeah i cant find the cooking or fishing trainers. If anyone with alpha can find them, plz let me know

something with cooking is certainly interesting

[fading lintel]

@dense plover Could u share some pictures of the horde exlusive area=?^^ (silvermoon)

[dense plover]

its silvermoon my guy

theres nothing to show off thats distinctly different other than the banners having the horde logo

what are you expecting?

[fading lintel]

No am just curious how it looks bc no youtube video has shown it:P

[dense plover]

it looks like silvermoon

but some of the banners are red and have the horde logo

its literally just part of the city

[echo frost]

How Alpha users feel with everyone coming to them for questions about it:

[dense plover]

im fine sharing stuff

theres just nothing to share for what is being asked for

uh oh

maybe not supposed to have midnight alpha?

its now fully gone from my list

nope all good

they just fixed the TWW beta thingy

so some people who shouldnt have access are going to lose it now

[deep pawn]

Nah

you didn't have access with that

the launcher is bugged and not showing right if you own TWW

and can't tell you have an active sub

haha

[novel zodiac]

i had a TWW beta and now its gone, so they doing stuff

[deep pawn]

yeah, they normally do that before alpha

they just forgot

haha

[dense plover]

tranquiellen has a cooking trainer

nvm doesnt work

found one

solaarian sunbath

lol - the internal name is still rootlands

[dense plover]

this obviously isnt the end of addons

blizz has already said theyre making changes and im certain they will make more

the weakauras dev throwing a fit is ridiculous though

[upper pasture]

I’m cackling at the people “losing their minds” over this

[rain cave]

wait he's throwing a fit? I thought he was being cooperative and going "guys no more weakauras blizz is doing it isn't that cool"

[dull sage]

Suffer.

[clear apex]

lmao noooo

the small undies make me laugh

this was my sonic

[dull sage]

Imagine not going nude to be Sonic.

[clear apex]

[lavish raptor]

im glad theyre restricting it to be a combat only thing at least

[clear apex]

oh my bnet updated, that TWW beta disappeared

[lavish raptor]

you have no idea how much i like my warcraft currencies WA

[crisp steeple]

new mageweave is gonna be my new default transmog

[echo frost]

This is what male night elf body should’ve looked like, 1000x better.

Male night elf stocks after midnight launch 📉

[rain cave]

they should make the body shape into an option for night elves

even if the texture stays the same

[pulsar minnow]

The nelf model isn’t even bad

It’s just the stupid animations

[clear apex]

i just think the guys are too oddly shaped

very skinny and then tiny heads

but i feel that way about a few of the male races

[pulsar minnow]

Haranir are definitely about to become one of the most played races in the game at the very least

They’re an elf Druid on the Horde for one, but they can now also be customized to be what a lot of people wanted out of Nightborne

That and their amazing Druid forms

[dull sage]

It'll depend on how useful that damage racial is.

Maybe.

I guess the fact that they have an increased crit damage racial puts them at the top regardless.

But they deffo have won in the customisation for sure.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I don’t think many people are picking races solely off of racials these days

Like mechagnomes have one of the best combat racials in the game and we know how that turned out

It’s an elf it’ll sell

[dull sage]

Isn't stone form still wildly used?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but dwarves don’t hold a candle to to Blood Elves or Night Elves

[dull sage]

Fair. I know I'll be making a Haranir regardless. Monk or Hunter, unsure yet.

[fathom fulcrum]

why are Haranir monks 💀

[dull sage]

Why are they Warlocks.

[fathom fulcrum]

dont tell me they are death knights as well

[dull sage]

Naw.

[fathom fulcrum]

at least

[fathom fulcrum]

monk, warlock and shaman is kraaazy however

more classes than Gnomes btw

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah they’re also an elf shaman which is insane

Finally filling that niche

[dull sage]

Next up, Nelf Paladin.

Give us this, Blizz.

[fathom fulcrum]

next up Gnome Paladin, Shaman, Druid

thanks

Void Elf Paladin

the class restrictions are so dumb though

especially when you have Lightforged Warlock and stuff

just lift it 😭

[tropic trail]

Lawl

[fathom fulcrum]

delete this message immediately

[dull sage]

peypal

[ember blaze]

got a pic of that last area? 🤔

[clear apex]

Such good rp spaces

[glass fulcrum]

erm

[lavish raptor]

wow i cant wait for the war within

delves look like so much fun

[glass fulcrum]

bruh

it says 12.0.0

oh awesome apparently this means I have Midnight Alpha installing but no access to it 🔥

[clear apex]

You can see that it's there but you're not flagged to use it, that's all

[novel zodiac]

was a Sylvanas model datamined?

just saw it on X

but feels fake

[deep pawn]

How are they throwing a fit? Blizzard made their addon unusable. I support Blizzard doing this but I won't pretend it's not making lots of addons pointless

They're under no obligation to maintain an addon for world content or cosmetics only

They aren't employees

Hekili is also sunsetting because his addon just won't function and there's nothing he can do to that he wants to design after

Maybe I missed some subtext in the weak auras team message today but it felt reasonable. Some grief over a long term project ending and such

Undaunted has more room to be concerned and I hope Blizzard is working with them on this issue

[clear apex]

oh the jokes i wanna make

[dense plover]

its not unusable, its only unusable in combat in instances - not out of combat and not world combat. Weak auras can do lots of stuff

[dense plover]

it was definitely subtext

it was very similar to the paladin discord lockdown

"we are not making it for 12.0 so that blizz will change things"

completely ignoring that what they have done is the reason blizz has to change things

[deep pawn]

It still can't be used for anything combat

Blizzard is only relaxing add-ons being able to talk to each other and read chat

[dense plover]

Only in instances

[autumn dagger]

i mean as grateful as blizzard should be to the weak aura community, weak auras were unpaid passion projects that filled in the many many gaps that wow had in UI/UX and accesibility so, I think it's kinda good that they're being phased out

[dense plover]

The blocking doesn’t effect over world

[autumn dagger]

because it means that blizzard is owning up to their defficiencies

[dense plover]

Also anything out of combat too

[lavish raptor]

that we currently know of

we will need to see the next iteration of the Add-offening (tm)

[little hound]

Show ?

[autumn dagger]

definitely

[little hound]

I doubt Sylv is going to get ANOTHER Model, she got 2 in Shadowlands alone 😄

[novel zodiac]

it was this one, dont know if its new

[deep pawn]

You misread what they're reenabling

They're only turning back on addon communication and chat reading while in instances outside of combat

[little hound]

That's her Shadowlands model.

Strange harp at the bottom of her model though.

[deep pawn]

Add-ons still can't see inside the black boxes

Blizzard has not changed their stance on combat addons, just not accidentally breaking stuff like rclootcouncil and sharing plans

[dense plover]

yes but there are lots of other uses for weakauras that arent even combat related

thats my point

[ember blaze]

@deep pawnbard confirmed

[deep pawn]

Okay, and someone else can fork the addon and continue the work, but the weak auras devs are not obligated to rewrite their entire addon to do that function.

They are not blizzard employees

[upper pasture]

Yes, but they created the based of all WAs and now because their precious combat addons are “broken” they are gonna even continue the minimal support. But you are right they aren’t blizzard employees they are under no obligation to continue to support it just the way they are deciding to communicate that is feeling very petty

[deep pawn]

It doesn't feel petty. They're explaining why they don't feel motivated to rewrite around the new restrictions to do stuff they don't care about.

They offered some feedback on situations where they feel they'd want to continue working on the addon, admits it feels unlikely with the philosophy they've heard from Blizzard and are thanking the people who used and supported the addon along the way

To keep weak auras around for stuff like rare detection requires them to basically start over on the addon to do only outdoor non combat things and I understand why some raiders just don't care.

[upper pasture]

I’m sure someone else to will pick up the torch and carry on but that’s my point WAs as a base are used for much more than combat related things, they should just find someone else to carry on doing it if they don’t want to do it anymore, like any body else would do with such a popular thing

[deep pawn]

I'm sure someone will fork it eventually.

They aren't required to find that someone

[ember blaze]

damn no dracthyr housing stuff 🤔

[upper pasture]

Not that they are obligated to but if you did something for years you probably care a lot about the project and would want it to carry forward with or without you

[little hound]

Nah, but they do have Dragon Isles stuff.

Saw a chest that belonged to DF

[deep pawn]

Except from their view point the project won't exist in any realistically similar fashion.

[upper pasture]

Again WAs do more than just combat stuff

[ember blaze]

theres 4 differnet dwarf stuff 😭 but not even one dracthyr stuff

[deep pawn]

WeakAuras as most players know them as is as dead as hekili is.

[ember blaze]

tho i know someone posted some forbidden reach stuff? i think

on the housing trading post

[deep pawn]

I understand they can do non combat stuff but that's not what it was designed and maintained for.

[little hound]

They haven't announced a Housing Trading Post, I think they stated that its still something they struggle with, as you'll only get 1 item when you buy it.

Have these 2 though

[ember blaze]

no the thing you do quests for

and the event thing

[little hound]

Oooh

Endeavors ?

[ember blaze]

yes

someone posted a picture of several on there

one was forbidden reach iirc

[little hound]

From what i've seen, the only one officialy revealed has been the Val'Sharah, Mechagnome and another.

Could you get a screenshot ?

[ember blaze]

im pretty sure it was posted somewhere on here

ud have to scroll a bunch

[little hound]

Dewit xD

[clear apex]

theyve shown dracthyr

[ember blaze]

@little hound

it was in the evoker discord nvm

[little hound]

Niiiice.

[little hound]

God I want those Forbidden Reach crystals.

[clear apex]

oh nice

[ember blaze]

ok wow is saved

[little hound]

Because of the Forbidden Reach Endeavor? 😄

[ember blaze]

yes

https://housing.wowdb.com/decor/4180/the-great-hoard-4180/

not the worst for DF meta achieve 🤔

ok it has an open/close animation 🤔

[clear apex]

omg i didnt know this website existed

[ember blaze]

might be a good time to get some old materials 💀

if it shows the crafting source

[clear apex]

i have a whole tab so far in warbound bank with mats and some on each character

just need to level up some profs per expac

[ember blaze]

oh no legion stuff is gonna require blood of sargeras

[clear apex]

ewwww

[ember blaze]

time to go collect some LOL

[clear apex]

think i have some

[ember blaze]

https://housing.wowdb.com/decor/4037/suramar-containment-cell-4037/

this one requires 2

my evoker who is my enchanter has none lol

tho i gotta go level up some old expac stuff

legion and BFA is annoying cause of rep lock stuff

and it sucks that even with lemix the rep isnt acc wide yet

[clear apex]

i dont have an alchemist or enchanter 8|

[ember blaze]

i like some of the mage hall stuff there cause i want a cool mage area for my evoker

so gonna have to use lemix for that lol

might just end up doing all the class hall stuff

[clear apex]

you know that area outside the astronomer in Nighthold? with all the books ?
i want all that nightborne stuff

looks like they have the bookcase at least

[summer star]

https://fxtwitter.com/DamontEvermore/status/1973879669369024599?t=eWMcZU5KZqd-TXinxnTkcw&s=19

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Anyone know how this was obtained? Did the guy datamine it himself?

[ember blaze]

man you can really make a better version of nightborne and night elf

no more withered looking nightborne

[clear apex]

very versatile model

[lavish raptor]

Djaraganja

[clear apex]

nelf lady

i think we'll very much see rpers using them as Nelf

[deep pawn]

They can fully hide their quills but Dracthyr visage can't get rid of scalp scales? Hax

[clear apex]

you can except the head

i set the scale color to match hair or skin color and it disappears

[deep pawn]

It still is pretty visible with short hair cuts

[clear apex]

true

i got more than expected with the cc for haranir. I like the quills, two tone hair, ear and nose choices

feet even

though the beta version is missing the claws

[little hound]

I love how Ethereal pipes / Energy pylons are decor, so i can have my own energy across the housing, leading from room to room :3

[little hound]

Welcome to my house: Manaforge: Crib.

[novel zodiac]

im going to build a meth lab full of crystals

[little hound]

Let's split gains 50-50

[crisp steeple]

made with panda heritage and some other pieces

[deep pawn]

so the next Timeways event goes until February 9th

I can't see Prepatch being 3 weeks after Remix ends given how MoP Remix ended a few days before TWW launched.

Is it possible they do Janaury 20th prepatch and prepatch is just 2 weeks?

[ember blaze]

how long was tww pre patch

[deep pawn]

technically 5 weeks

My guess is still January 20th prepatch, and then when Timeways ends they turn on the prepatch event for 2 weeks.

[austere gazelle]

Wait for Manaforge : UwU

[austere gazelle]

Haranir monk ?
Mmm guess some of them spied on the pandaren 😅

[tropic trail]

Man she looks so good

[quartz lintel]

Black empire asset will be available for the Housing ?

[novel zodiac]

meaby the branches told them how to

[pale lion]

Hi guys, do we have any information about managing housing for guilds? I mean, will I have an option to kick someone from house etc. as the GM? Will be there any guildhouse panel?

[frank gyro]

no xala toes for you

[frank gyro]

as far i know you can have a closed neighbourhood where only guildmembers can buy a house

you can also have an open one where in the first 24 hours only guildmembers can get one and after that its free to fill up with anyone

but i think its more like the ability to yeet somebody out of the neighbourhood as a gm if they are kicked from the guild? no info on that so far.

[quartz lintel]

?

[fathom fulcrum]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/amani-troll-appearances-in-midnight-allied-race-speculations-378683

impressive... now do high elves

[clear apex]

Afaik once you remove someone from the guild roster their house will be packed up. Don't think you can forcibly remove them from their house otherwise

And there's supposed to be some kind of guild controls

[pale lion]

Yeah, im wondering how it will looks like. I mean, for example do I have to approve buying specific house or any guild mate can enter neighborhood and buy what he wants

I hope they will release some more info about managing it among the guild

[clear apex]

oh i hate it so much

theres parts that are good but as a whole its bad

[autumn relic]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1243213.jpg looks like DF S1 2.0 Version

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna like it on an orc

[clear apex]

so much of this just looks like lefover DF

[rain cave]

it's so bald under the skull

https://tenor.com/view/bald-bald-head-shiny-bald-head-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-4830356535569685568

mage set is FIRE though

[fathom fulcrum]

they dont have the technology yet

[echo frost]

Nice now we’ll have night elf trolls AND orc trolls

[novel zodiac]

how, there's already high elves customizations for VE

unless the horde gets the actual amani allied race

[clear apex]

No new belf customization but you can get troll stuff

[novel zodiac]

its just 4 skins color

[upper lantern]

hopefully they'll up the customizations in a future patch

[novel zodiac]

and they suck

[upper lantern]

the number of customizations for Harranir and Dracthyr makes all other races look bad lol

[clear apex]

they do make nice trolls too

[dull sage]

I love this expression.

[upper lantern]

they probably make good nightborne too

[clear apex]

they do! someone posted one yesterday

theyre pretty all in one troll/elf combo plus semi beastial

[upper lantern]

Not sure how I feel about the race tbh. They're very well designed and pretty but have almost zero lore and seem to "steal" themes from other already existing races.

[clear apex]

my friend designed his nightborne to haranir

[upper lantern]

Yeah that's a good nelf/nightborne

[rain cave]

Buy elf expansion
Look inside
Trolls

[dull sage]

Well technically All elves came from Trolls.
So this is a troll expansion.
Checkmate.

[frank gyro]

well it certainly will be testable within alpha / beta. what i can imagine is that only the guildmembers will have access to the said neighbourhood so only they can grab a spot there

[clear apex]

Pretty sure they've already said charter and guild are totally private as far as buying houses. Public are free for all

But guilds will have to work out who gets what house plot

[upper pasture]

i think they mean more of how much control people who aren't the "leader" has for plots and if a lead can just uproot someone from a plot which i don't think they can unless of course they removed your from the roster.

but i believe it's just FFA when it comes to picking plots once you're in the guild/charter

[clear apex]

it does seem to be, from all I've heard, the only way to remove them is to ask or gkick

I think there's an abuse of power if you could just force someone into a plot change

[clear apex]

you can kind of make orcs as well

[dull sage]

Gigachadanir.

[clear apex]

ok he kinda hot tho

shown off in game, they actually have blonde hair which i didnt really see in the dressing room, so that's nice. And the face textures are working properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woJlEEGwE_Q

[dense plover]

well, its clear how the amani are involved

[pulsar minnow]

So Arator's model has this variant with burnt scriptures on his armor

Almost wonder if he's going to form a new Paladin order and so he burns the scriptures representative of them

[clear apex]

not sure how i feel about his armor.

[pulsar minnow]

I think his armor is cool. His haircut is another story

[clear apex]

think id like his hair better if it didnt have that metal bit at the top

[dense plover]

ok so i have an even clearer idea of whats going on with the amani

they invaded to cut lightwood because it is very powerful against the void

the twilight blade cultists are invading their land so they need the lightwood and they knew the blood elves wouldnt listen to any polite requests so they just took it

theyre not trying to attack the blood elves - they just need a specific resource to have a chance to fight back

[lean yew]

the fact sylvanas appears to only be in 11.2.7 is interesting

Altho I suppose we haven't seen vereesa yet either. It's possible they're in 12.0 later but idk I am starting to think sylvanas isn't back yet, just temporarily

[dense plover]

seems pretty clear its temporary yes

[lean yew]

seems like such a huge missed opportunity

but maybe theyre saving her for post the last titan

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah my bad, forgot there are like 2 helf hairstyles and normal skin tones

[fathom fulcrum]

it was a big genocide

[lean yew]

I just thought shed be back to defend silvermoon

[deep pawn]

Possibly Alleria seeks her out in the prologue quests and something she saids leads her on her path to the voidspire.

[lean yew]

"well things look like they may get kinda rough here, so let me sing you a song and go back to the maw"

well know prob in a week or two, the 11.2.7 ptr is prob going up the week after 11.2.5

[fathom fulcrum]

where is my HD Windchanneler and High Elf customizations 😡

[clear apex]

you get none

[fathom fulcrum]

wft why

cancelling sub gg

o7

[clear apex]

they said no elf customization (so far) for midnight

[fathom fulcrum]

elf dlc

[clear apex]

you get haranir and troll customization

[fathom fulcrum]

no customization

why are Amani friendly wft?!?!!?

[clear apex]

[fathom fulcrum]

they are evil

always were

[rain cave]

Interesting that it’s twilight blade

Not hammer

And not xals forces

Makes me think about a certain someone who may be stuck in a blade…and is very closely tied to the twilight cult

[upper pasture]

Didn’t twilight hammer rebrand as twilight blade?

[dense plover]

not a rebrand - an offshoot

arator's burning model is like this after his father almost kills him at the end of the eversong story

[fathom fulcrum]

wft spoiler

[dense plover]

he hops in front of turalyon's blade to stop him killing zuljan in a rendered cinematic

[fathom fulcrum]

WHY WOULD HE DO THAT HELLO

yeah i am not buying

[upper pasture]

it's the spoiler channel

[dense plover]

because turalyon was attacking the trolls for invading and not listening to arator tell him that the twilights blade was the actual enemy

[fathom fulcrum]

THE AMANI ORCS ARE THE ACTUAL ENEMIES

[dense plover]

turalyon has always been the guy who solves the problem with violence

[fathom fulcrum]

based

[dense plover]

and so arator did the only thing he could

[fathom fulcrum]

Turalyon is the CEO of the Alliance though

||he dies 😔 ||

[dense plover]

oh hey, i was curious where he was

helping to channel into the sunwell apparently

[fathom fulcrum]

if only Varian didnt listen to Anduin...

and just executed the Horde at the end of Mists of Pandaria 😔

[dense plover]

also here

lots of npcs from the past are at the sunwell

some are rotating out so they can rest

[fathom fulcrum]

omg its the princess who got assassinated by Sylvanas gg

[fathom fulcrum]

gg troll Paladin

[plain violet]

Awesome!

[dense plover]

man they remembered every npc

[fathom fulcrum]

A troll paladin? Now I've seen it all. Protest all you want, but you appear to be outnumbered.

[plain violet]

I love this!

[fathom fulcrum]

no way they are going to kill off my fav charakter... thats kraaaazy

[dense plover]

this is the sunwell btw

theyre channeling to keep the voidstorm at bay

[fathom fulcrum]

wft new isle of queldanas??!?!?

[dense plover]

everything is new

[fathom fulcrum]

why isnt the sunwell in silvermoon though

why is it on some island

🙄

[plain violet]

Thanks for the infos, I really love this. :)

[dense plover]

thats where its always been?

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah why is it there

[dense plover]

idk read online

thats where it was built

im not google

[fathom fulcrum]

you are now

is there HD Windchanneler in Midnight

🤔

[plain violet]

.. Uh.

Ok.

[dense plover]

im just going to block you now

and ignore you

[fathom fulcrum]

rofl

[dense plover]

youre being obnoxious

and not funny either

[fathom fulcrum]

ignore and block are the same functions

basically

there is no reason to do both

[plain violet]

For a better subject: thanks Peach, the screens are really useful for me!

[dense plover]

np

its really cool

it truly feels like they remembered every relevant light-associated npc

[plain violet]

Yeah it seem so.. the sunwell FX is gorgeous, I love how it feel like a holy nova.

[dense plover]

even if theyre barely relevant

its impressive

[plain violet]

It is!

[dense plover]

the beam is pretty cool

its really loud tho

[plain violet]

ooh so beautiful!

[dense plover]

i reported it as a bug b/c it actually is deafening

currently flying to lights hope via flightmaster for the arator questline continuation

also, since you can fly to silvermoon, you can technically fly into stratholme

it currently has a red cloud over it

with some unfinished assets underneath before it kicks you out

something going on there - maybe finally going to be visible in the open world?

[plain violet]

Ooh interesting..

Possibly! And a quest about it?

[fathom fulcrum]

Arator goes there probably

🤮

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

lights hope is being besieged by undead, again!

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-taliesin-jaffe-gif-17765074

[fathom fulcrum]

can we just fix the eastern plaguelands already?

why is it still ugly

[plain violet]

"here we go again"

[fathom fulcrum]

did druids stop existing

[lone mantle]

The Void Storm and the overall skybox are exceptionally well designed.

[plain violet]

oooh really interesting actually to adress the "why weren't you summoned".

[plain violet]

Nice thought about it...

[plain violet]

Ooh I like it!

[plain violet]

It'a a good quest to show relics aren't just weapons or armors. But the small things in life.

[dense plover]

when you walk past turalyon's statue

because he was assumed dead

[plain violet]

Ahaha!

I see where this is going, but necessary quest and reminder.

[dense plover]

its not for us

its for arator

so he becomes even less like his father

[plain violet]

Yes! Thus why necessary..

[dense plover]

and becomes the hero he needs to be

[plain violet]

It's good!

[dense plover]

there is a stay awhile and listen too

[plain violet]

Oooh awesome!

I sadly have to sleep but will gladly read all the text once I woke up. :)

It's good for Arathor to also see and face up the Scarlet Crusade case.

[dense plover]

just made my chatbox wider to make this easier to capture

easier to read now

[elfin eagle]

Dumb question is there any updates to like lights hope

Like are olagulands getting revamped or graphic updates

[dense plover]

not really other than the fact its being attacked

[dense plover]

no that would be pointless

you are there for like 15 min

[elfin eagle]

Yeah I didn’t think so just wondering

But I thought lights hope might have gotten updated

[dense plover]

it doesnt need to

it was updated in legion

theyre only updating zones as they have use for them

passing through an area for one quest is not a good reason

and would be misplaced resources

zone hidden from map to the east of zulaman

probably the 12.1 zone

im not sure if the bright lines are fel or light

fel would be REALLY weird

they look like fel tho

[novel zodiac]

i saw a pictur and it looked like none, it was more like acid/venom

[dense plover]

from someone else "The bridge to island is "Strait of Hexx'alor". And the Island itself is named "Isle of Fangs". Could be temp name, idk"

Hakkar finally?

maybe?

it has snake iconography on it apparently

lumber gathering point in western plaguelands

tree stump stays, axe fades out

somehow they autoflagged a bunch of trees - i have to assume this also means they could one day replace the asset without having to manually place it

this could be a precursor to updating trees

[novel zodiac]

found it

[dense plover]

that looks like fel to me wtf

[novel zodiac]

yeah, now that i see it again

it may be

[deep pawn]

Remember the prequel book

[novel zodiac]

meaby is an Ula-tek temple and that's actually serpent venom

that's what i read

[dense plover]

lol

i didnt expect an actual modeled tome

oof bud

another stay awhile and listen

lots of dialogue - lots of interesting little bits

some of the sunwalkers want to be here, some do not

[elfin eagle]

@dense plover how’s the writing

Does it feel any different considering this is the first like

Actual metzen writing

[dense plover]

feels pretty consistent, a few things were off but otherwise good

good writing

my sample size is small right now

[autumn dagger]

thanks for the screenshots peach

it's so nice to see all the light aligned npcs we've met along the years at the sunwell

[tulip sun]

This is interesting

So a number of sunwalkers were not called?

[dense plover]

yes

[tulip sun]

I wonder why that is

Are there generic tauren sunwalkers and priests alongside the human, draenei and sindorei ones?

[autumn dagger]

i think ultimately it's the "the light has other plans for you" kinda thing

[little hound]

Anyone got the picture of the eeh.. Haranir Sonic customization? xD

[clear apex]

I think i trashed them but if you type in the discord search for sonic over in the dressing room channel

Don't have em on my phone

[dense plover]

ok back to posting quest infos

looks like we are turning swords into plowshares

when you get the buckle from the ogre

[proper palm]

2 KT paladin (Taelia and Bellamy) and no one playable.......

[dense plover]

taelia isnt Kultiran

technically

she is a fordragon

pretty sure she moved to boralus as a kid after her father 'died'

[proper palm]

I know the lore, but KT is basicly human, she live and grow at Kultiras :p

[dense plover]

bellamy is pretty much the exception

i dont think kul tiras even has a church

[proper palm]

Daelin has some paladins with him at Theramore, i think if zandalari can summon the light with Loa, Kultirans can with elemental faith i think i don't know, I just want Nelf or Kultiran paladin playable 😭

[dense plover]

now we see the reasoning behind this whole questline

also IGC and not RTC means rendered cinematic

this is gonna be a fancier one, not the CGI one, but the step below

OH

thats what that model is

the shield and the broken shield

the shield not broken is the cinematic model

the broken but fixed one is the one we make i think

its one of these

woah - he leaves without the shield

damn

turalyon has lost faith in himself

thats - not ideal right now

AYO - its time!

fancy load screen

FUCK ME

i dont even know what this is

this was just on a table lol

im not npc-sized

furniture!

looks like a bunch of rp potions are scattered around

fun

the model is animated

hides your weapon

even if you press the unsheath button

bob!

YO

you can talk to everyone here!