beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

i cant believe they dont get that

they MUST get it

but they refuse to add it

at least make it a weekly cap or something if theyre scared of it scaling too hard too fast

no secondaries beyond gear is going to kill this

idk who is in charge, but they need a slap across the face so they wake the fuck up

[zealous sedge]

I kinda stopped with the remix testing at lvl 72 cause it felt sooo sluggish. The artifact power acquisition felt really slow as well I don''t even know if it would be possible to max out the Infinite Power node (999)

[lavish raptor]

There's a skip to 80 now

[dense plover]

well they did make changes to the gain of that

all of the quest boxes fix that

[zealous sedge]

ok good

[zealous sedge]

I will try the 80 skip

[dense plover]

this means more infinite power, stamina, and main stat and speed

[zealous sedge]

also is the artifact power shared across alts for this?

[dense plover]

probably not?

[zealous sedge]

or do I have to grind it all again

thats kinda lame

[dense plover]

i assume the buff is shared

[zealous sedge]

the buff should be shared yes

[dense plover]

and they might make the infinite trait shared

[zealous sedge]

I agree on the secondary stats

[dense plover]

i dont think the currency should be shared tho

the cloak wasnt

SOME of the cloak was shared

[zealous sedge]

currency no but some power should be totally

[dense plover]

infinite trait being across account would make the most sense

if anything

but thats not the major issue

[zealous sedge]

i'm gonna create a toon and try out max level

[dense plover]

major issue is that mastery, haste, and crit realistically can only reach 30-40%

since you cant get any outside of gear

MOP remix had the secondaries cap, but it allowed you to gain those infinitely, so you could reach 60-80%

even with the uncapped secondaries in this update, you cant even get close because there is nowhere to get those stats from

[zealous sedge]

so you can get up to 999% vers maybe thats the solution

idk i'm about to try it out

[upper pasture]

999% increased damage done and half that damage taken is way better than what mop remix had tho?

Seems to me classes will still roughly play the same but damage will be crazy once you get enough vers

[dense plover]

its not as fun though

the crit/haste/mastery was more fun than 1000% dmg

also getting that % versatility isnt going to just be leveling to 80

its gonna be weeks of grinding

and meanwhile youre gonna feel like shit

[upper pasture]

This is debatable, some people like just seeing big numbers

[dense plover]

i mean like - actually playing though

and again, vers only comes from that end artifact trait

so on the way to 80, youll still feel like shit

[zealous sedge]

i just attempted to solo a +40 halls of valor

[dense plover]

and even once you get to 80, youll have nothing

[zealous sedge]

and I maxed everything out with brann

[dense plover]

itll be weeks

[zealous sedge]

i died

[dense plover]

i mean, yeah? pretty sure brann doesnt give you ilvl 740 gear does he?

[upper pasture]

And it was weeks in mop remix before you hit hard caps too? Weeks of doing everything

[zealous sedge]

he does

[dense plover]

yeah but you didnt feel weak

until you can get versatility, because of no secondary scaling, youre going to feel weak

thats what sucks

[upper pasture]

I also don’t think your supposed to do the M+ stuff solo even when this powerful

Well probably not that high atleast

[zealous sedge]

probably not

[lavish raptor]

Apparently some people are

[zealous sedge]

Ok so it seems Infinite Power is definitely not account wide

[warm topaz]

first time leveling in Remix also felt kinda shit right?

[dense plover]

no

not against rares or anything pretty much ever

only in instanced content

which is not what im talking about

[clear apex]

i think that first few days felt kinda blah. I was hoping it would get faster and it eventually did

[pulsar minnow]

New images of the main cast of midnight

[clear apex]

liadrin is so pretty

[deep pawn]

I just wish her eyes looked like that in the cinematic haha

[waxen vault]

do you happen to know what does "legion remix campaign" in the "to fel and back" achievement consists of?
is it just the original 4 zones, or all 7 (8 if we count insurrection campaign)?

[ember blaze]

finally

[ember blaze]

eh, still not a fan of how the reduced the eyeglow

seems to be the direction they want everywhere

[deep pawn]

I mean looks pretty glowy for being oil pants, which is what that artist does.

I just don't buy "We need to give them black pupils or no one can tell their emotions."

[ember blaze]

not enough

[deep pawn]

I can buy their eyeballs being white still and just the irises glowing, but I don't buy black pupils since they absolutely could put those on the in game model.

[rain cave]

I like the idea that her eyeglow was lesser because her faith was wavering

The glow gets stronger towards the end I think

But yeah I understand why the glow wasn't as much. It's in line with their other design changes they do for cinematics

[dense plover]

No idea

[vernal juniper]

is the ilvl7 40 only for ptr from phase 1 or it will be 740 on live from p1 aswell

[deep pawn]

The notes read as if it'll be achievable somehow

[crude sigil]

It's for all phase. And no mention about release but yeah maybe it will be for the release too

[crude sigil]

What about the "fun" on Lemix now ? Is it really better than before, do we have unlimited POWER !?

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-palpatine-star-wars-gif-17950416

[little hound]

Eventually, yah. Its very fixed now

The only one who'll still say "No, its shit" are the whiny one who didn't get Mage Tower.

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1966217282914320830

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

I tested being the absoulte limit of power in Legion Remix and I could...

• Solo a Mythic +30 (could probably go higher)
• Solo Mythic Raids
• Solo the World Boss

This level of power isn't something you'll get that quickly in Remix but you definitley will able to achieve it

X · Sep 11, 2025, 7:08 PM

[crude sigil]

ho ... can be nice if not 500h of farming mobs in an area ^^

[deep pawn]

people were soloing +40s

[warm topaz]

my worry with really high keys like +1000 is that or you oneshot or they oneshot

i imagine it's scaled but

[crude sigil]

like everything, it's Blizzard "basic" scaling

[deep pawn]

there's possibly a soft cap

after +40 the scaling gets nuts

[glass flicker]

https://fixupx.com/portergauge/status/1965855944275014068

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Oh my god these Xal'atath joke lines in Hearthstone, I can't believe they got her VA to do a Knaifu joke *and* a 'It's me boy the PS5' reference lmao

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Thank you for this, Portergauge. You just made my day.

[deep pawn]

Fascinating read. This is the first time we've had them say they always balance war mode shards 50/50?

[lavish raptor]

normal person: i want a child to pass on my wegaci or whatever
me: i want a child to harvest ore and herbs for me in WoW so i can get my artifact weapon up on the lv28 toon

[glass fulcrum]

Ok

[crude sigil]

Guys ? On Lemix, I see we can potentially have 999% versa, but what about other stat ?

[glass fulcrum]

Other stats are on gear and are about 8-12% per stat per piece which you can stack

The only reason you can get 999% versaility is the final artifact trait gives 1% Versatility, 1% stamina, and 1% primary stat (which you can buy 999 times at max)

[rain cave]

Curious how above 100% vers would work

Doesn't it just make you immortal when you hit 200

100% damage reduction

[deep pawn]

Hard cap of 75% dr

[hard axle]

What about damage increase?

[lavish raptor]

No there's literally 999% vers

They uncapped it for Lemix

[deep pawn]

Yeah, and the Dr is hard capped at 75% to prevent overflow issues

[lavish raptor]

Ahhh

Juat woke up can't read

[glass fulcrum]

I know I already answered but one of the devs just answered this elsewhere if you want to know more

[crude sigil]

Want to know if my DH will zoom zoom or not haha
(with mastery)

[upper pasture]

I just logged on and main a remix character without minmaxing (starter build and didn’t choose my trinkets or rings, just put the first ones on that the lvl 80 boost gave) you will indeed zoom

I had I think 2 secondary’s at 100 or one was like 140 and the other was 80ish? Which I’m sure with looking for the right stats you’ll be able to balance whatever stats you want nicely, I had a blast solod a 25 then a 30. I guess the only real question is how long will it take us to get to that without the skip

Oh jk they were higher than that lol

I was nervous in the first key cause I heard a lot of bad stuff but it was a cakewalk I don’t think my health ever dipped under 90%.

[crude sigil]

lol, ok, nice 🙂

[clear apex]

I haven't looked yet but we don't have to socket gems again, do we?

That was so annoying in mop remix

[crude sigil]

But now, I hope we don't need to grind 5h per day during 3 weeks to have this kind of power

[upper pasture]

No, the trinkets/rings and maybe the neck? All give things that alter/boost your talents. Theres no gems this time around iirc

[clear apex]

Thank goodness

[upper pasture]

They made it so the “daily” stuff can be stored for like a week without “losing” any of them so you can literally log once a week and do those and get the same amount of power as someone who does them daily

[dense plover]

what do the stats on individual pieces look like?

[upper pasture]

either 2 12% or 1 25%

[dense plover]

ah

so the percents increase higher at higher ilvl epic gear

gotcha

12% i believe is the max on lower level gear

[upper pasture]

on everything besides the jewelry/trinkets/weapons

[dense plover]

yeah

i know that

the jewelry/trinkets have talent points

up to 3 ranks i think?

[upper pasture]

yeah it seems so

[dense plover]

which means you could have like 5 or 6 ranks in a talent

or points in talents that arent in your main trees

either way, the max secondaries certainly seems goofy enough

they still probably need to make heroic more fun

and reduce bronze costs and/or increase drops

right now it looks like you will struggle to get enough to unlock everything which is lame

[upper pasture]

yeah and vers isn't actually capped at 999% either if you have gear that has it you can push it over that

[dense plover]

lol

[upper pasture]

not that you need much more att 999% lol

but right now this dh is sitting at 1003% vers

[dense plover]

how much speed total? both from stats and mastery?

because mastery movespeed is included in actual movespeed

vs the listed speed stat

[upper pasture]

plus another 49.88 from mastery?

god, i need to get a new keyboard. this one for some ungodly reason likes to randomly do double keystrokes

49.8% bonus listed in mastery

[glass fulcrum]

Height mountain Tauren Druid for max iirc
Not that you need it

[upper pasture]

DH tho

[austere gazelle]

DH Rulez

At last it'll be the years of the DH

[hard axle]

Anyone know if the new Midnight 1-80 leveling experience will be added in the Pre-Patch?

[deep pawn]

11.2.7 actually

So around Thanksgiving

[hard axle]

Wait, isn't 11.2.7 the pre-patch?

Or will that be 12.0.1 before release?

Regardless, sweet!

thanks 😄

[rain cave]

Prepatch is the same patch as the expansion, just before the content is released

Usually about a month before the expansion goes live

So I assume the leveling will come out early 2026

[deep pawn]

you missed the blue post

it's coming in 11.2.7

[rain cave]

idk where to find blue posts so

like I don't patrol the forums

xD

[deep pawn]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24226733

wowhead posted it too

[rain cave]

oh they did an article/blog post as well?

[deep pawn]

a bunch of them

[rain cave]

ah ok

thought it was just a blue post :P

since those tend to be much more elusive and harder to find

[waxen vault]

how long is order hall campaign on remix?

[glass fulcrum]

Same as on live minus the mission table quests
Doable in one sitting just kinda all over the place

Any class with teleport to order hall is significantly easier

[waxen vault]

tyty

[waxen vault]

Are you supposed to increase keystone levels over time by clearing them or u'll be able to choose any key level at any time when it's relased?

[dense plover]

probably by clearing them

but theyll jump based on clear time i think

so if you blast through your first, youll get a much higher key

rinse and repeat until you cant go much higher

then youll get better gear

[waxen vault]

ah the default m+ system then. Ty

[dense plover]

yeah - coding a separate system would be pretty hard

and unnecessary

also it would lead to a lot of people trying keys that are definitely too hard then getting angry at the devs because theyre undergeared

[ember blaze]

its funny cause it's true and happens with delves every season lol

[glass fulcrum]

I mean I was clearing this seasons +8 on a S1 char in LFR gear

[austere gazelle]

They can still allow you to buy some higher level keystone somehow I guess

[austere gazelle]

so it looks like the end of the year will be like this :

October : Beta / Remix / Boost
November: Beta / Remix
December : Beta / Remix / Housing
January: Beta / end or Remix / Housing / 12.0 - Midnight
February: Midnight

[fast blade]

guys can anyone explain to me will legion remix characters transfer to retail?

and will the skill builds be the same as current retail patch

[crude sigil]

Yes and yes.

Remix is gamemode on retail content. And you will be able to transfer remix character to retail with a "normalized" stuff

[fast blade]

will there be some gold making oportunities like profesions

[crude sigil]

I think not.

[fast blade]

so ppl wont need any pots flasks

[upper pasture]

Gold isn’t part of the remix ecosystem

[lavish raptor]

You get gold in lemix

I doubt it's a farmable amount but you do get gold from general activities

[upper pasture]

But there’s nothing to buy gold with? You could get gold in mop remix but there was nothing to spend it on

[lavish raptor]

Elixir of Tongues for one

There's other things I'm sure that I don't remember immediately

I doubt they changed every vendor

Haven't checked but this guy might be in Lemix https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=91079/vashti-the-wandering-merchant

[thin river]

still no dinar vendor on ptr?

[glass fulcrum]

PTR isn't set up for that content yet, it was only legion data

Which is closed ATM

[deep pawn]

very small build this week, mostly group finder reporting fixes

surprised it took them this long

[ember blaze]

cooldown manager not improved either 🤔

[glass fulcrum]

I still don’t understand why you can only sign up for 5 groups

Idk if this would be a crazy take but I also think the accept deny time should go down from 5mins (for dungeons) so people stop sitting being picky and just invite 💀

Raids is different since you could be mid fight

[waxen vault]

does anyone know the number of horns of the first satyr u get for each xavius kill?
is it the same as it was with SOO in mop remix?

[waxen vault]

appreciated

[upper ermine]

How hard is it going to be to get the scythes? I've been wanting them for ages

[glass fulcrum]

It shouldn't be hard but don't expect to do it within first few weeks or so if I had to guess

[deep pawn]

They won't even be in the first 3 phases

[glass fulcrum]

O rite

[pulsar minnow]

Midnight Q&A and Deep Dive on October 1st

[crude sigil]

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/news/midnight-alpha-begins-october-2nd-deep-dive-and-dev-q-a-october-1st-378587

[deep pawn]

a couple weeks after "a few weeks" haha

[dense plover]

higher res

arcantina....

i assume thats some kind of inn quest thing?

like arcane + cantina

all of the endgame content AND prey waiting until phase 5 is a bit sad

really limiting the testing

oh - it looks like each phase is a week?

so i guess they already have a lot of this ready

[rain cave]

No raids is interesting

[crude sigil]

roadmap for alpha ? wtf ? for the 2 people who got access ?

It's better then nothing but it's weird

P5 : Profession - Sparks ? You really need to write this ? Sparks are ... already tested for several years now haha

It's nice to see Devourer in P1 🙂

[deep pawn]

there's always new embellishments that need testing

alpha never tests raid contet

[austere gazelle]

for once DH won't have new talents and stuff added toward the end of alpha/beta with a short window of feedback available, that's something that makes me happy

[deep pawn]

seems like they're aiming for most talent reworks to be in phase 1

we know Unholy has one coming

[austere gazelle]

another one? how many reworks DK had since DF ? I swear I'm seeing patch note as long as my arms for DK every patches, and yet DH had a revamp in DF S3 and ppl were like " na you had a revamp six patches ago let them cook the other classes " But I guess its now explained with the DH budget all funneled into devourer

[rain cave]

Nobody has access yet. People will get access soon so idk what you mean by this

[crude sigil]

Everytime, alpha is reserved to so small batch of people. I know the alpha is not up now (not before the 2nd of october) but it's still weird to see a roadmap for "no-one"

[rain cave]

I mean

It's a sizeable group

Idk why you think nobody gets it

Isn't it literally every big YouTuber, raider, pvper as well as a random scattershot of other players chosen by divine intervention

That's atleast a few thousand

[crude sigil]

when I say "no-one", I want to repeat the "small batch of people"

[rain cave]

Yeah

A few thousand is not small :P

Especially for focused alpha testing

Even if it was only 1000ish that's a good group size for first wave

[upper pasture]

I mean in the grand scheme of things I suppose it’s a small portion of the player base but they need people who are actually gonna give feedback and not just play for 45 mins then quit

[crude sigil]

Everytime I see some content creators about the beginning of Beta (and end of Alpha), they wait HOURS to "test" a dungeon ...

[rain cave]

Because people aren't waiting to queue all at the same time

[crude sigil]

Blizzard lost many weeks of testing because no-one can tag in a group or something because "no-one" play. Content Creator don't have 10h a day to try to get invited in a dungeon or something which need a group to be tested.

I pray that they invite more people now for alpha to test all mechanics.

[austere gazelle]

trust me, unless you're really commited, you don't want to be invited to the start of Alpha

few things to explore, bugs everywhere, unfinished stuff or assets

its where most of the bugs are reported and fixed

sometime there are no quests at all

I personnaly don't want to experience again the ZangarMarsh early beta of TBC for example.
Every naga female you took aggro from instantly disconnected you, and the mana ray had an instant mana burn they could spam and an instant fear with insane damage that made every step in that zone a kind of trap

testing stuff in those conditions was kinda challenging

but that was another blizzard back then, and it was their first wow expansion :p

[little hound]

Call it copium or whatever, but Blizz has really gotten their shit together ever since Shadowlands failed worse than anything.

[lone mantle]

Midnight: Collector’s Edition has been observed in Ion’s room.

[pulsar minnow]

Good catch!

They’re probably gonna announce it at the livestream. Correct me if I’m wrong but they did the same for shadowlands

[lone mantle]

Let us hope for a Xal'atath figurine.

[pulsar minnow]

Ive gotten the collectors editions every expansion since BFA, and honestly I’d be willing to drop more on them if blizz would put a statue or some kind of collectible in each one

BFA, TWW, and Classic Anniversary were big standouts of the bunch

My gut tells me though they’re just gonna throw in a real life scale dark heart replica

[upper pasture]

God I wish

[austere gazelle]

isnt there one buyable on the store ? dunno the size though

[pulsar minnow]

Nah it’s like a flat keychain

I’m saying like this from BFA but the dark heart

[austere gazelle]

na there is also an ornament

https://eu.gear.blizzard.com/products/wowchw0012-world-of-warcraft-midnight-dark-heart-ornament?_pos=6&_sid=4409469a1&_ss=r

[novel zodiac]

Feb 10 2026 Midnight release date, remember this

[upper pasture]

Feb 10th? You think so?

[novel zodiac]

what i meant its that 130 days passed from alpha release to TWW release

so if you fastfoward 130 days from october 2,

[upper pasture]

Hmmm, I hope it’s that soon. Lol

[tropic trail]

Who is this arcantina visitor 👀

[deep pawn]

add in 2 weeks for Christmas Break and you get my predicted day.

[rain cave]

I'm probably in a minority but I wish the default for a lot of blizz wasn't alliance/horde

like the decorative rings they have in the merch store are cool but I don't like how that's the only options

honestly I'd love it if they made merch that was atually just random items from ingame

unstable arcanocrystal is a thing I would want to buy lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Just to add to this- recently it seems blizz took down all the collectible statues they used to sell

[rain cave]

probably out of stock

[austere gazelle]

Or maybe they'll - at last - allow foreign collectible companies to do those for an affordable price.

F4f , tsume , etc

[rain cave]

Wdym

[austere gazelle]

cause blizzard kept overpriced stuff by doing it on their own

[rain cave]

Why would a third party reseller change that though 😭

I don't think they've even been overpriced for what they are

[austere gazelle]

They are. I'm a collectionner of these kind of stuff. What blizzard sell is 20/30% above the current market price

and I'm not even talking about the size of those stuff. For the same price you can have something twice as big

and with the same quality, or more

That's why I never bought anything from Blizzard because it's overpriced

[rain cave]

I mean ofc it'll be upcharged it's limited run official merch

[sleek solar]

I hope so, no way in hell will they release Midnight too close after GTA 6

[pulsar minnow]

GTA 6 is May 26?

There’s no way they were ever planning to drop midnight that late

[sleek solar]

I can't look into Blizzards schedule 😄

[pulsar minnow]

I mean we do have their roadmap

https://preview.redd.it/spoilers-the-war-within-2025-roadmap-v0-e27g8k6drp0e1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=9adf7019de18ec247c6151359683cb32438731e4

[sleek solar]

So?

[deep pawn]

people are freaking out over the preorder latest by date ignoring that TWW came out 4 months ahead of it's preorder latest by date haha

[pulsar minnow]

Midnight releasing in May would be a 5 month gap in content

[sleek solar]

I never said it's releasing in may? Lmao

I said that there is no way they are releasing Midnight too close after gta 6...

[pulsar minnow]

Yes… and I’m agreeing with you.

[sleek solar]

Oh

[pulsar minnow]

All g. Im saying there’s no way they’d ever release it that late anyways

[sleek solar]

Then I apologise, I misread that as you going against it XD

[pulsar minnow]

No need. I coulda worded that better myself lol

Though either way- I don’t really think gta would cause much issue for blizz since it’s a console exclusive right now

[sleek solar]

It's the biggest title in i dont know how long, people will get consoles for that game alone

[deep pawn]

I'm not haha

[austere gazelle]

Not interested in that either

Still think they're aiming at a late january, early february release

[thin river]

still no vendors on the ptr

rip

[ember blaze]

when does remix end

[crude sigil]

we don't know

maybe begin or mid January, maybe later ?

[thin river]

datamine said something in January i believe

[clear apex]

Around jan 19th, iirc

[sleek solar]

Other people exist haha

[deep pawn]

I'm aware, but Blizzard has never cared about non mmos when it comes to releases

[upper ermine]

Didn't TWW drop like 2 weeks after FF14 Dawntrail

[austere gazelle]

you were right lol

[pulsar minnow]

Lfg

Honestly kinda the perfect collectors edition in my book

I was getting sick of getting like 8 pins I’ll never use

[upper pasture]

Didn’t we only get one pin in TWW and DF?or did DF give us like 5?

[pulsar minnow]

DF gave us 5. Shadowlands gave us 4

[upper pasture]

It’s weird that we’re getting the dark heart replica when they just released those dark heart stuff in the gear store

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but it’s like a mini ornament versus a full scale replica

Like the BfA Medallion was REALLY good quality

[upper pasture]

Until I see specs of this CE one I’m gonna be suspicious

[pulsar minnow]

I absolutely loved the BFA collectors edition minus the fact there was no art book

Interesting the pin is Arator and Xal’Atath

[upper pasture]

This pin at least looks better than the past few

[pulsar minnow]

Tbh all the pins have been really good

The DF ones were made with like resin or something. It had a really cool effect in-person

[upper pasture]

Pretty sure my DF were misprinted

Ah, nope it’s just that weird 3D effect

[ember blaze]

might be the first collectors box i get

[rain cave]

Dark heart Frisbee when

Or vacuum cleaner

[glass flicker]

Dark Kirby.

[rain cave]

a dark heart snowglobe with a dalaran in it

[upper pasture]

sigh

[hard axle]

The three Felcrushers from the Army of the Light rep, can we get them with bronze in lemix?

[deep pawn]

Paragon yes, gold sinks no

[hard axle]

sweet, many thanks

[pulsar minnow]

Something maybe worth noting

Blizzard uploaded their trailer for the deep dive- for some reason highlighting two Augvokers. Maybe a rework is coming?

[lavish raptor]

itd be funy if they made them an int tank

[upper pasture]

What would be even funnier is if they put them back to how they were when they launched

[glass fulcrum]

id love a cloth tank and a plate caster

Do armor values even matter anymore really?

[dense plover]

is this not related to the new dragonflight experience?

is that not possibly tied to that?

nvm

watched the trailer

its just gameplay from the voidstorm zone

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah it’s voidstorm gameplay but it’s a weird choice to go with two augvokers - especially when it’s an ad for the new features of the expansion (and Aug was famously gutted in TWW)

[deep pawn]

It'll kill the spec if they remove the support aspects and they swore to never change roles on a spec again after the pushback to Survival

[austere gazelle]

Depends. Aug is something special and it didn't work so... there is an exception to all rules

[deep pawn]

I'd literally never play evoker again if they destroy Aug as a support dps

[deep pawn]

And it's not like Aug never gets play. It was in on multiple world firsts and is decently tuned right now

If Aug is a failure so is the entire evoker class based on participation outside of the top end

[rain cave]

Wdym Aug has been successful

I thought everyone liked Aug :P

[deep pawn]

They can work on Aug to make it more interesting or less reliant on always knowing who's using CDs and who's the best dps in your raid, but making it a more boring Dev or a tank would be a betrayal

[rain cave]

Tbf we have built in cd tracker now

And they're doing built in dps meter aren't they?

Could do something when augs get a thing they can use to see CDs on party members, who's popping what

Tbf it seems like that would be a nice global qol

Like how you can do show only dispellable, they should add "show ally CDs"

[deep pawn]

The problem is you only see when someone is already using their major CD. You need to know before they do

[rain cave]

Ye ik

I feel they could easily add that

They already have local CD tracker, and add ons are already tracking allies

So they have the tech for it

[pulsar minnow]

I agree Aug should remain a support spec but this just isn’t true.

Dev and Pres are really well designed specs themselves

My guess is if there’s a rework it might be fully doubling down on being a DPS buffing spec. That and it’ll put the hooks in for the built-in damage meter so we can actually see the real damage Aug is doing rather than just hoping and praying every pull before you check logs

[deep pawn]

Doesn't stop them being the least played specs outside of Aug really

[little hound]

Aug needs a hard rework to be viable again. Its bottom tier every season at this time

[pulsar minnow]

It’s good right now actually

Better than dev

[little hound]

Pity because i used to love aug when it released

[little hound]

Where is that shown? I see no meters displaying Aug as viable

[deep pawn]

Haven't been looking hard. It's parsing better than dev

At least in raids

[ember blaze]

aug has always been better than dev in raids

[pulsar minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/beast-mastery-disengages-from-the-bottom-the-war-within-season-3-dps-rankings-378535

[pulsar minnow]

Definitely not true in Undermine lol

[ember blaze]

in practice its different because it remains the hardest raid spec

[pulsar minnow]

Dev was the best DPS in the game in Undermine

[ember blaze]

true

but the point is that aug sims higher

in practice its different

its why dev is still the better choice and looks better in logs

like some numbers for this season still had aug at like 6-7m single target

but nobody but the robot is doing that lol

[deep pawn]

It's still doing well for good players

[ember blaze]

yeah

[deep pawn]

S2 was an outlier because they deliberately gutted Aug to break it's chokehold on m+

[ember blaze]

normally even if its like 5% ahead dev still better for 99% of players

though i find it surprising the usual aug haters say its fun this season

and havent complained about playing it lol

cant wait to finally get some non housing news

class content only thing im excited for by now

i really dont care for housing stuff anymore

[deep pawn]

I'm just tired of the make it a tank types

[pulsar minnow]

What’s the line? “You think you do, but you don’t”

People who want Tank Aug really just want it because “oh black dragon tough so must be tank!”

[rain cave]

augvoker tanks in their alternate timeline trying to figure out why their class tree is full of caster balanced abilities

I do think some king of draconic tank would be cool, don't get me wrong. but I think trying to turn aug specifically as a spec into one would either mess up the fantasy or require extreme amounts of work

especially since the way dracthyr and evokers are even built feels like it wants them to be casters

can you imagine an evoker, no weapon in hand just standing in front of a boss getting smacked

[lavish raptor]

I mean. Rift managed to make mage tanking a thing.

The WoW m+ meta loves kiting anyway

[ember blaze]

are they talking about potential gameplay features?

[rain cave]

tower defense in wow

but they could also mean maybe alluding to like consistent world content

so like "hey here is this big effort going on, and if you build this thing to help it, it will be there even if you're logged off and it is visible to other players"

or even if they just wanted something like instanced group content that utilizes it as a mechanic

for example, a delve-esque thing where instead of going through, you defend a point

and alternatively if you wanted to stretch it to literally moment to moment gameplay with as he says, turrets. Tinkers!

[deep pawn]

I mean there's already some stuff like that for years, like trapping ghosts in Kara

[rain cave]

whilst yes, we also had flying for years and still got dragonriding

it's just a streamlining and modernising process that allows them to use it in more content, in more ways

with less friction

[ember blaze]

A tower defense game would be fun

i want an auto battler

[pulsar minnow]

supposedly Stormarion Assault is a pseduo-tower defense

[dense plover]

where would this rumor even come from?

we havent seen any in-depth info about the expac yet

theres no datamining

[pulsar minnow]

Interviews

They talked about this

Zone Event: Stormarion Assault - Protect Void Elves as they activate their Singularity Anchor to purge the citadel of remnant void anomalies. This wave defence event includes both fighting and placing defences.

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/expansion-overview#:~:text=Dungeon: Blinding Vale-,Voidstorm,spread across these three raids!

[dense plover]

Oh - cool!

[ember blaze]

is that a new model

and where the hell are her green eyes

[upper pasture]

Her eyes are like 99% percent shut in that screenshot but there seems to be green eyeballs in there

[ember blaze]

u can see her eyes and they look brown

[dense plover]

brown isnt even a choice for elves

no chance they gave her brown eyes

that would require making new eye textures that are wrong on purpose

[ember blaze]

well they abandoned glowing eyes for elves so anything is possible

theyre just regular humans now

[dense plover]

oh my god, they just didnt have it in the cg cinematic

[ember blaze]

for now

[dense plover]

because eyes are important for expression, and you cant read expressions through glows

just stop being an ass

[ember blaze]

maybe her eyes are actually closed in that pic, but im already worried

[dense plover]

WHY

you are creating an issue where there isnt one

[ember blaze]

skill issue and not true

[dense plover]

theyre not gonna new eye textures for an npc that would intentionally be wrong

[ember blaze]

OW cinematics do just fine doing it with robots

maybe they should hire them

[dense plover]

robots dont have expressions

theyre ROBOTS

[ember blaze]

yes and they manage to convey emotions with the cinematics 🙂

which is my point

[dense plover]

im not arguing something you made up

[ember blaze]

skill issue on wow cinematic team

[dense plover]

im not discussing a non-existant issue

[ember blaze]

what is there to make up? the cinematics are all there for you to see and their characters

[dense plover]

same area

eyes open

bright green

plz shutup for once in your life

[ember blaze]

so her eyes were closed then

[upper pasture]

Mostly closed yes

[dense plover]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Valeera_Sanguinar_(delves) this was extremely easy to look up instead of making up that her eyes are brown

[upper pasture]

But you can still see slightly green poking through

[little hound]

Tobi’s bitchery over the most minimal detail.

[dense plover]

FALSE bitchery

its why its exhausting

[little hound]

Even worse

[dense plover]

"Im gonna get upset about something that isnt true just in case it is"

[ember blaze]

my bad for not chasing down a picture u had to know was there

[dense plover]

it took 6 seconds

[ember blaze]

that wasnt on the official post

[dense plover]

i reverse image searched that image and got the link i posted

[upper pasture]

I just zoomed in on the photo you posted

[dense plover]

you chose to make a stink about something that wasnt even true

its fucking exhausting because its ALL you do

take a minute next time and do a smidge of research first

instead of being awful

[ember blaze]

why are you getting exhausted over a public chat

take a break

[dense plover]

because youre exhausting

[upper pasture]

Hell, I’m red green color blind and I can even see the green eyeballs

[dense plover]

ive been here 5 minutes

and i already want to leave

because of you

[ember blaze]

you should

it will help you out

[dense plover]

i literally cant visit this chat regularly because of this though

its fucking awful that i cant be in this chat without a constant stream of hypothetical negatives based on nothing

im fine with warranted negativity

[ember blaze]

maybe dont be in the spoiler channel then

[dense plover]

but it needs to be warranted

spoiler =/= make shit up and get angry about it

[ember blaze]

u generally just get very triggered about anyone who disagrees with things you say

and get very hostile towards anyone

it even extends to just wow stuff not everyone will know

but u get very mad nobody knows everything perfectly like you 🤔

[deep pawn]

I could read Locus Walker's emotions and he doesn't have a face at all. 😛

I mean it's okay, Blizzard is due a "Shrug" cinematic every now and then. I'm sure the launch trailer will be better.

[little hound]

Let me just entertain this stupidity. Hang on

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[lavish raptor]

[rain cave]

Idk why people are acting like the cinematic trailer didn't have glowing eyes

Her eyes are glowing, they're just diminished until she has her moment of faith and then they light up a bit more

Fits with the themes of the trailer

The themes of the larger WoW narrative are that mortals, people, us, we don't need Gods or a divine power. Our strength comes from us making our own fate. Xal can't even break one elf, illidans our destiny is our own. It wasn't the light that saved silvermoon, it was us

[deep pawn]

The dull eyes broke my suspension of disbelief regarding it, and the weak plot of the cinematic didn't work for me. I'm tired of Xal just doing stuff without us having an real motivation for her beyond survive.

Blizzard hasn't written an amazing villain in a long time.

Like we shouldn't have gotten this cinematic if we don't know why she's making a beeline for the Sunwell over the world soul

The cinematic also failed to show that it is the heroes of Azeroth that the Sunwell called

It's fine, it's safe, it just didn't do anything

Like my impression still remains that this cinematic was outsourced and they couldn't tell the team any of the major plot points to give subtext and crap.

[rain cave]

I mean I'm not saying those criticisms are unfounded

There are valid ones

But my point is more that their choices are in line with their prior and current storytelling intentions, they are doing what they aimed for

[pulsar minnow]

Not saying I disagree but tbf we had no idea why the alliance and horde were fighting again in the cinematic for BFA

[rain cave]

Whether that's good or not is a different discussion

It's like how joker 2 is arguably better at keeping its theme and uses consistent film techniques to convey what it wants to convey, but its still just a worse film

[deep pawn]

It still showed more I feel with both Sylvanas and Anduin stepping up as leaders of their faction and showing core parts of each faction. It told a story better. We had expansions of bubbling animosity at that point too

It made sense for that to blow up

We haven't been told a single thing about Xal's motivations beyond superficials

So you're going "okay she's after the Sunwell, sure"

[pulsar minnow]

I agree in that it’s annoying because we don’t have her explicit motivations (granted we’re probably very very likely about to be told them in Voidstorm) but we’ve also had the void conflict take center stage in the War Within, we’ve had Xal’Atath going around collecting sources of power to energize the dark heart. We’ve also had her tell Alleria multiple times she was coming after everything she ever loved.

And again- we had literally no idea why the alliance and horde were fighting at Lordaeron in that cinematic either.

I still think overall the BFA one was definitely one of the best cinematics of all time- but Midnight still worked fine for what it was

[deep pawn]

We had no idea why but it made sense since we had Genn's anger at Sylvanas for a long time and him blaming her for Varian's death. We quickly got context with Azerite too and then learning about the burning of Teldrassil. We haven't been given any of that for why Midnight is happening and that's just weak story telling

[deep pawn]

It was an issue too in DF with Blizzard thinking denying information makes things feel more mysterious vs just confusing

Like why the hell did they not show the Vyranoth and Alexstrasza talk.

[rain cave]

To be fair we have been told some parts of xals motivation. She's gathering void power, and intends to use it on our world soul somehow

She took Dalaran, and was trying to take beledar, the sunwell is similar to beledar

And on a side note of theorising I think she needs to absorb power from every kind of magic

She has a voidlord, and an arcane city. She wanted something light attuned.

It all comes back from galakrond

Hunger reclaimed type thing. And the void has had a lot of eating references, in voidstorm they even show it

[ember blaze]

one thing i want to know is why she doesnt just take things

she destroyed and took dalaran

why couldnt she just easily take the sunwell now that she has dimensius?

why toy with lorthemar and liadrin?

[rain cave]

Because the power isn't in her. It's in the dark heart

And even though the heart is powerful, it's vulnerable

And being so close to the sunwell and channeling it's power out would take time, like beledar I imagine

Like sure she might be able to just nuke us from orbit but that doesn't accomplish anything. And she can't just waltz in without alleria or somebody trying to interfere

Also it's Xalatath, she's probably got a plan in the back of her head on what she really wants out of this

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah. The answers will come soon

I mean they’re heavily hinting at major reveals happening in voidstorm

Mysterious broken forgotten world and all that

My hope is that Telogrus and Void Storm are revealed to be fragments of the same planet

[rain cave]

I think so too. The voidstorm is explicitly mentioned as being near telogrus

I like that because it also links it to that initial sargeras planet, and by extension the deeadlords. And I feel like xalatath and the dreadlords would be a great 'enemy of my enemy' thing. And the concept of them having millenia long spy vs spy wars is cool

E.g. the black blade is similar to a mourneblade, who are known to deal with mourneblades? Dreadlords.

Xal and the dreadlords would have a reason to be beefing with eachother after the dreadlords got her planet destroyed

Etc etc

[pulsar minnow]

Could also explain the connection between Xal and Iridikron

Xal hates the titans for destroying her world

Stuff like that

[deep pawn]

this type of piecemeal story needs more meat if it's gonna be 6 months between beats.

[austere gazelle]

Plus I think that she wants to get rid of the sunwell because she wants to avoid Ren'ilash, being connected to the Light apparently the sunwell can summon whatever stuff, and we've been hinted that a light power unchecked can be as bad as the void

[upper pasture]

inb4 Xal is part of the twin world soul that is azeroth and she wants to truly awaken/ awake her sister too. wasn't there a twin world soul plot somewhere or did that get retconned?

[austere gazelle]

Well I think it's maybe more... deep.

Maybe she is the lost / hidden sister or Elune, An'she and Lo'sho, which would explain her spiteful remarks about Elune

which would make Azeroth her mother ( if Earthmother = Azeroth, which is that according to the Tauren )

But that would be weird considering she , according to herself, was mortal at one point, or so she says

[austere gazelle]

The real issue and a major one with that is that there are no other support spec.

Result : if it is good, mandatory spot in group. No challenger, no other classes. It wont work.

[uncut vault]

I mean in all honesty, I think Augmentation's core issue got solved in TWW

the reason it was all or nothing was because it buffed everyone

now it only buffs DPS, so their DPS contribution is just a direct equivalent in a unique way

and their utility is the same non-DPS extra button focus as any other spec

[deep pawn]

Mages still have more lol, mages are just broken though

[uncut vault]

Oh I meant like, it's all external cooldowns that help with stuff other than direct damage/healing numbers

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna be scared until Wednesday after the teaser showing two augs for some reason

Odd since we already know Unholy is getting a new rework.

[austere gazelle]

we also barely knows anything about Devourer, we just have three skills shown up and some mechanics but we don't know stuff about the new heroic spec and the inevitable DH reworks to make the ranged spec fit in all of this, there may be room for a small support part

[upper pasture]

It’s not truly a ranged spec but a mid range spec but you’ll want to be in melee usually, from what I gathered

[deep pawn]

nah, you'll be evoker range

It's almost purely a caster except for a small melee combo which is dash in, dash out

[deep pawn]

And they likely don't have to do that much

they'll just replace melee skills in the tree with ranged stuff and done

They'll likely keep sigil of spite and the hunt even.

Immolation Aura and Chaos Nova are like the only things they need to figure out how they want to make them work.

but ranged and targetable works

[uncut vault]

they said it will essentially be a different spec depending on your talent build

one will be a pure ranged evoker spec, one will be more of a survival hunter "go in just for your spenders" melee spec

[deep pawn]

I guess we'll see but if the melee combo is just the fel blade, vengeful retreat replacements, you're not in for long

[ember blaze]

they said u can choose

or between range and a melee/range hybrid

[upper pasture]

So we were both correct, just depends on the build you choose

[deep pawn]

I'd bet that it's still 80-90% caster

you just melee occasionally to make not maximizing meta uptime feel less bad

[austere gazelle]

To be more specific, they advised to be full ranged for raid and hybrid for M+

since M+ is more dynamic and you have to switch target and pack frequently, I guess you wont be able to use your meta form to the upmost efficiency

but we'll see with alpha. I trust the community to find loophole and stuff that were not intended gameplay 😄

[little hound]

I miss affixes from before. So tired of xal’atath being the ONLY theme

[rain cave]

would be interesting if in midnight there's some kind of balancing light/void affix

something like killing trash mobs gives you void infusion, that increases your damage somehow but has a downside. But killing a boss clears stacks of it with light

alternatively, the void stacks are purely negative, but killing a boss converts them all into a positive bonus for the rest of the dungeon

so you could potentially pull a few extra mobs just for a stronger buff further down the line but with a bigger risk

[little hound]

Guess we’ll see what they announce

[deep pawn]

Today we may see a bunch of missing streamers

[little hound]

How so

[austere gazelle]

I think the most fun one was Bwomsamdi in BFA. Planning how many pack you had to kill and in which order to have a rabid swarm of skeleton coming every 20% was funny.

I miss affix that break the pattern and route of dungeon

[little hound]

I miss the G’huun and Ny’alotha Affix

[deep pawn]

if they're doing the content creator preview again it'd be today and tomorrow

[little hound]

Hyped for deep dive on oct 1st

[ember blaze]

whatever does the most dmg is whats gonna get played

[pulsar minnow]

it definitely depends on the gap between specs

if its not that big people will just play what they want in their groups

[rain cave]

I wonder if they'd ever toy with using the old affixes on different dungeons, so like the BfA dungeons get a bfa affix, the SL ones get one, etc

They'd have to make some new ones to fill the gaps but

Could be fun, and change the dynamic of having different xpacs dungeons in a pool

Means that if a spec is good with a modern affix, atleast they're not dominating in every dungeon

Not perfect but an interesting idea

[pulsar minnow]

As long as they never bring back volcanic or bursting

Hated those affixes lmao

[austere gazelle]

I've got some PTSD from EoA

[deep pawn]

booo, why no trading post preview

was 28th last month and 29th in July

So it should've been today

[lavish raptor]

Was just posted

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24234112

[deep pawn]

was posted at 1 but was hidden

I was f5'ing like crazy

[little hound]

So we can get the HOLY Version of the Horseman set..? Assuming the Green is obtainable via Candy. Fire/Frost version probably an incoming promo or bundle award

[deep pawn]

They missed a word in their copypaste

[upper pasture]

One set might be candy and another might be drops from killing the horseman like how they added the new stuff in brewfest

[little hound]

Hope so. I really wanted the fire/frodt version faaar more than the hallowed (holy) version

[little hound]

So.. Dumbo with a saddle?

https://tenor.com/view/flying-dumbo-big-ears-disney-cartoons-gif-10526539

[deep pawn]

lol

[languid yoke]

is that the oddly huge 11.2 PTR update?

[deep pawn]

nah, you'd have "alpha" or something to install. 11.2 is just hotfixes and stuff

[full void]

i mean we know the names of the alpha servers as they showed up on the realm list a few times in the beta tab, my guess it was blizzard doing technical serverside things in advance

[little hound]

I'm curious so..

Halduron is the official Ranger General of Quel'thalas after Sylvanas died, but Alleria's portrait for housing is also named "Ranger-General". I feel like Halduron's ass is going to get dunked on.

[deep pawn]

Alleria was called Ranger General in TWW even

[deep pawn]

https://i.imgur.com/wXtTIEL.png Did China leak the Fire Horse early?

[little hound]

Saw this some days ago. Most likely

[deep pawn]

It was from MrGMs twitter okay, still don't know his original source

We knew Space Bull existed.

[pulsar minnow]

Really curious as to how pre patch will work

If Quel Thalas is getting added to EK proper as they said it is, are they just going to block it off during pre patch?

Like invisible wall or surround it in a void bubble

[lone mantle]

I would like to have it.

[rain cave]

I hope not

I hope it's more like she becomes ranger general of the alliance forces and umbric becomes more of the void elf leader

[deep pawn]

eh, the new horseman mount still uses a weird flying animation that doesn't play well with turning and stuff

[proper palm]

Need.

[pulsar minnow]

So there’s a reveal already

[novel zodiac]

Dimensius was the last voidlord?

[pulsar minnow]

Dimensius was the last void lord left alive

[novel zodiac]

booooh

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah

This is new

Woulda been nice to know this in game

[novel zodiac]

and the old gods being chunks of the voidlords trown away was retconed?

[lone mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmG98apVwKw

[pulsar minnow]

That’s still canon?

I mean it didn’t exactly work like that but

Old gods were just void beings sent out by the void lords to corrupt planets

[novel zodiac]

DEZCO?

Lothiraxion get out of there, that's not your family

[pulsar minnow]

Huh that’s weird. The arcway area of Nighthold is being shown alongside some of the delves

[novel zodiac]

meaby its reused, like the delve in K'aresh

[pulsar minnow]

Oooohhh ok so the Aug thing was just showing off apex talents

Collector’s edition pre orders are live now

[summer star]

https://bsky.app/profile/khonochronos.bsky.social/post/3m25iykqq722v

Khono Chronos ⏳ Ban'orak (@khonochronos.bsky.social)

Pandaren Heritage Armor confirmed!!!

Bluesky · Oct 1, 2025, 4:55 PM

[pulsar minnow]

All the zones

[summer star]

Eastern Kingdoms Midnight Content? Sounds pretty lazy honestly.

[elfin eagle]

I prefer it to another new area

[summer star]

They never labeled the Arathi Warfront "Eastern Kingdoms, BfA content."

[elfin eagle]

It’s extra story and it’s help feel more connected

[summer star]

I just mean the label on the map.

[elfin eagle]

Ohhh

Wait ew

I agree surely that’s not finalized

[pulsar minnow]

It’s alpha…

[full void]

wait, how were those map images obtained?

[deep pawn]

press event

[deep pawn]

nice

[little hound]

Literally the earliest possible december 😄

Well since its a patch, probably 3rd for EU

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fully-collecting-a-class-set-appearance-unlocks-all-lower-difficulty-variants-378684?utm_source=discord-webhook

BEST CHANGE EVER

[upper pasture]

Indeed

[deep pawn]

MIDNIGHT 10/10 exp, no notes

[little hound]

Called it Minimum 10 Players to Charter a neighbourhood.

[clear apex]

Makes sense

Time to make a guild so we can all be hermits

[pulsar minnow]

VALORSTONES ARE GONE!!

[pulsar minnow]

Side note I love your pfp

[clear apex]

Ty!

[novel zodiac]

RIP VALORSTONES

[clear apex]

Crendor covered the housing zones and alliance side is so good

You get elwynn, autumn farm, stony Beach, mountains, nelf and undead themes

Horde: desert, barrens, beach, desert oasis

Building your house in the middle of a graveyard is pretty cool

[little hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEQr2KNXDU

[novel zodiac]

man those dungeon journal spoilers are wild

[little hound]

Level 1 House: 300 Decor Limit and 9 Room Limit.
That's a HUGE Start.

[little hound]

What? Where can i see em

[novel zodiac]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1973450361907314930

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

Okay there are some pretty massive spoilers in the alpha dungeon journal being shared around. Like... wow this are huge twists that significantly spoil Midnight's story.

X · Oct 1, 2025, 6:10 PM

[little hound]

Neat

[novel zodiac]

yeah, i hope we kill her lmao

[little hound]

Voidspire Mythic better have a cool mount on mythic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOkSlsMjT20

Renown 5 House is Max, and damn the increase is smexy

[clear apex]

Damn, canceling any afternoon plans to binge housing content

A lot of housing in other games allow a max of about 700 items, so i wonder what that budget translates to

[dense plover]

each item is 1

every preview so far has said the budget is absolutely enormous

and that exterior and interior are different

unrelated - is the S1 M+ rotation, the first time we have gotten a dungeon from Wrath in the rotation?

thats going to require significant work to update isnt it?

[upper pasture]

Ugh, the ice cave will brick keys, and I hope they patch the add skip right before the ice cave. I don’t want to be expected to mount up and run 0.1 seconds after the 2nd boss dies

I hated that dungeon so much back I. WotLK lol

[dense plover]

3 delves available at alpha 1 - exciting

[dense plover]

it hasnt been that bad in timewalking

but i assume it will see an overhaul for M+

[upper pasture]

I will say out of most of the WotLK dungeons that’s the one with the best boss mechanics i suppose

[dense plover]

no - balance druid is awful

NO

eclipse is a fucking button

how absolutely lame

i miss the bar man

it was annoying but it was thematic

making it a button is just lame

they got rid of rising sun kick for brewmaster.....

it was nice to have dmg back

🙁

i like this though

jade lightning being an actual part of the rotation instead of worthless

60 sec cooldown seems a bit high imo

i actually kinda dig the new talents, and they seem dmg focused, so maybe losing rising sun kick is ok

very good

i like a lot of this actually

did they actually clean up brewmaster without making it boring?

this seems neat

the fuck? weapons of order is gone?

so do we just not get any of the talents from shadowlands now?

wtf

they removed the necro brew, we never got faeline stomp, and they now removed weapons of order

so we get no fancy talent

thats SUPER lame

[pulsar minnow]

Single minded fury is now officially a cosmetic thing

Fury Warriors can now just transmog 2h to 1h rather than have to deal with those annoying talents

[glass fulcrum]

They gave fury warrior (nerfed) surrender to madness???

[dense plover]

so are we getting a public alpha soon? I hope i dont have to wait forever to get in this time

and they havent sent out invites yet right?

[tiny iris]

Alpha starts tomorrow, that's all I know

[clear apex]

i want alpha

[lavish raptor]

this is funy

[upper pasture]

I’m definitely not holding my breath for alpha access

[clear apex]

Getting midnight epic gets you beta though, right?

[lavish raptor]

Yer

[clear apex]

At least i have that to look forward to

[dense plover]

im hoping alpha 3 or 4 for me, thats usually the standard

but idk if im on the list now since i struggled to get a contact last expac and now i have none

so i have to hope my bug report record means SOMETHING

[clear apex]

I'm happy I've hoarded so many mats in my bank

[autumn dagger]

does anyone have a screenshot of the spoilery dungeon journal?

[rain cave]

devourer looks cool

I do wonder if they should work on the QoL of things like void ray still being just like eye beam, insead of something more designed around the caster range

also venge retreat keeping you in the air delaying your actions might feel bad

but I don't have hands on

[austere gazelle]

Void Ray has a bigger range than eye beam

[little hound]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/player-housing-early-access-starts-on-december-2nd-378680

[deep pawn]

December 2nd is exactly 8 weeks right, was the date that made most sense.

[clear apex]

9 weeks looks like

Unless I'm bad at counting out weeks

[upper pasture]

Yeah, 8 weeks and 6 days

From today of course

But 8 weeks from next weeks patch

The legion remix stuff is releasing new content every 2 weeks? Right?

[clear apex]

Think that was the cadence

[upper pasture]

Dang, we will get full release remix and housing at the same time :/

[little hound]

I'm still sad about Hekili getting slapped down.

😢

[ember blaze]

u have an in game one

[little hound]

Yeah, that's 200% Worse than the addon Because Blizz thoguht they could do better.

[ember blaze]

time to go one button then

[little hound]

I mean, one button and i did 9m DPS So.. Maybe.

[clear apex]

Im wondering what the legion house vendor will have

[upper pasture]

Could actually try to learn the class too lol

[ember blaze]

green

[little hound]

I lowkey want alot of edgy Legion decor and infinite Dragonflight stuff

[clear apex]

No way?!

[clear apex]

Same tbh

[little hound]

Yeah, not like i've tried dozens of times without hekili. The debuff of being born with a learning disability.

I literally wish i could just fucking say "Ez, learned" but sadly, not that easy.

[upper pasture]

They said they are simplifying a lot of the classes in midnight too so harder specs will also be easier to play

[ember blaze]

do you really need it to tell you to press a filler? 🤔

and stuff is being simplified yeah

[little hound]

Simplified..?

Inbulge me.

dulge*

[clear apex]

Lmao

[little hound]

NO

[clear apex]

[little hound]

Rowan stfu xD

[ember blaze]

some stuff is annoying if you dont have addons/was to track it

[upper pasture]

Moonguard player detected

[ember blaze]

so it seems they want to simplify a lot of it so its not required anymore

[little hound]

I'd have LOVED To see them do Mythic Fyrakk current without WA's

[little hound]

Mate, I'm EU

[clear apex]

No I'm MG, I'll admit it

[ember blaze]

whats the eu equivalent

[little hound]

Argent Dawn

[upper pasture]

Then whatever server equates to over there mate

[ember blaze]

argent dawn player spotted

[little hound]

Honestly, when i started wow Pre-TBC as a kid

I started at Nordrassil

[clear apex]

I was on silverhand but the server died

[little hound]

Like my social life

❤️

but yeah, do we know how simplified ? Or is it just a statement so far?

[clear apex]

2 months feels so long but I'm glad lemix will be around

[little hound]

I swear once i start playing that, Hardmode won't be the only hard thing going ham.

My expression is all you need to know, Rowan

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-2025-film-movie-animated-gif-2170181526466355571

[clear apex]

I still haven't seen that

Silvermoon feels like the first real city I've seen in an mmo

It's HUGE

[little hound]

Alliance Players: Enters Silvermoon.
Also Alliance Players: Steps into Horde Area.
Guards:

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-jinu-saja-boys-soda-pop-saja-boys-gif-4021330351082990376

[clear apex]

They're gonna thrust me to death?

[little hound]

...

Ask nicely 🫦

[clear apex]

[little hound]

https://tenor.com/view/roleism-roleist-low-role-low-rank-sukuna-gif-13522412719228979828

[rain cave]

I know but it still uses the same targeting

Would be nice if there was an option to let it snap to your main target, like shadow crash on spriest

[pulsar minnow]

S1 glad mount

[little hound]

HOLY SH-..

WHY Do PvP Get the coolest stuff? Gawd damn

[little hound]

Anymore badass mounts? I saw there was one for Mythic Quel'danas raid? "Ashes of" Something?

[pulsar minnow]

Idk I just saw this on Twitter lol

I wish I had alpha I’m not special like that

On a side note the new mechanic added for herald of the sun paladins explicitly name drops An’she - I’m genuinely so hyped he’s actually going to be apart of the story.

Every day my theory that An’she and Elune are the actual genuine biological children of Azeroth gets more and more backing 😈

[ember blaze]

gotta maintain the 2 players who play it

[deep pawn]

They said they're making glad rewards more accessible?

[little hound]

When? What? Show me.

Aah, you still need to be kinda insane to get Glad Mount so.. Not enough sadly.

[fathom fulcrum]

yooooo they adding comp stomp permanently

keep the same rewards though

[little hound]

Ez settings

[worn crown]

Capybara Loa confirmed!

All I need to know rn 😛

[dense plover]

so uh - omega spoilers i guess? not sure exactly the context yet but i think this is one of the dungeons

so spoilery that im tagging it as a spoiler in the spoiler channel

and another

ill share some of the stuff from streamers from a different discord im in too

housing portal for alliance - they moved the boralus portal upstairs apparently

dates for another turbulent timeways event

housing items and what they look like

you get a first time collection bonus, and it looks like the placement limit is not 1 per item

im assuming it instead scales with the physical size of the object

housing also has a button on the bottom bar - it isnt being shoved into another menu

ignore that this says vest, youll notice its actually a furniture recipe

looks like each expac has its own lumber

stat squish appears to be massive. This is level 82-ish quest gear

dye crafting has its own menu

[little hound]

Don't think you need to put spoiler tags here? The channel itself is a spoiler and a risk anyone takes by reading here.

[dense plover]

house finder

[dense plover]

yeah but thats like - REALLY spoilers

like possibly ruin the expac spoilers

[little hound]

That is from the Voidspire Raid. The one below, L'ura, is the final boss of the March on Quel'danas raid.

[dense plover]

theres also a neighborhood roster

[little hound]

||L'ura is also the Naaru that Alleria absorbed on Argus, seeing as she's becoming corrupted and L'ura is another raid boss? I'm assuming we defeat and cleanse her, the Naaru somewhat Reforms and serves as a new boss||

[dense plover]

reminder that house prices arent final - i dont think theyll cost much more though

[dense plover]

yeah that makes the most sense

[little hound]

Trust me, the crafting of the decor is going to make people rich a f if they do the market correctly..

[dense plover]

horde house finder

[little hound]

I spent like 300k on Living Steel today.

[dense plover]

lol

[autumn dagger]

or she dies

[dense plover]

no chance, she is too important

and this is too early

if that happens it would be after the launch patch

[little hound]

No way she dies xD She LITERALLY Just made an oath on K'aresh to hunt down Xal. Worst case, we give her bruises.

[autumn dagger]

||maybe xal pulls l'ura out of alleria?||

[little hound]

Most likely, never thought that was possible even.

[autumn dagger]

my thoughts exactly, but who knows

[little hound]

I know that Dying Naaru turn into the Void forms, and can be healed back to their holy forms.

[autumn dagger]

yeah

[little hound]

Kinda odd to see how they plan to make that work, like.. Alleria kinda absorbed her

[autumn dagger]

||it'd be weird to have alleria without void powers again, like, that was her whole excuse for being a sort of racial leader but now master umbric has taken a more prominent position I guess||

[little hound]

Oh, no she's still a Void Elf.

She had void magics before consuming L'ura.

[autumn dagger]

ah right!

idek what to spoiler tag anymore lol

[little hound]

Most of this is just common lore knowledge

[lavish raptor]

yeah seat of the triumvirate covers her absorbing l'ura

[autumn dagger]

i like that now shadow stuff is more black to blueish tones and arcane is more purple/lavander to blue

it was confusing artistically speaking

[upper pasture]

This is also the spoiler channel so

[autumn dagger]

and sometimes lore wise

[novel zodiac]

everytime a horde character's a raid boss we fucking kill it, but when its alliance a slap on the wrist its all it gets

i really hope we kill alleria

[fathom fulcrum]

Fury warriors will be able to transmog one handers without losing dps?!!??!?!

I hope so...

cuz that talent is BAAAAAAAD

hopefully Turalyon or Alleria wont die 😔

[rain cave]

Calling it that turalyon will

[fathom fulcrum]

|| could be the reason why she a boss 😔 ||

but the real question is... will Vereesa come back? 🤔

[little hound]

Its already confirmed we'll see the Windrunner Sisters together again, but when in the Expansion is unknown.

[little hound]

||Considering how easily she gets emotional and Xal'atath literally plays with her like a cat and a mouse? She probably has a hand in it, seeing as the Naaru that Alleria consumed, is the last boss in the Quel'danas raid.||

Mythic Quel'Danas Raid mount. Ashes of Belo'ren.

Keystone Master (2000) and Legend (3000) Rating Mounts.

[fathom fulcrum]

wait what

can u like manually change its form or is it half light and half shadow

[little hound]

Looks like its abit of both, that it just has both effects.

Kinda disappointed that it uses the lame bone rig for the Zereth Mortis birds.

[nocturne ore]

how does one get into the alpha tests? is it random or do i need to sign up somewhere?

[little hound]

Random

[rain cave]

that's al'ars kid fun fact

[little hound]

Early Alpha is mostly just the Big Streamers and Addon Devs.

[fathom fulcrum]

i think the pvp one clears

[little hound]

I know.

[fathom fulcrum]

and its not even close

[rain cave]

ye just for the peeps in the crowd

I'm liking how they're simplifying things

and it definetly hints to me they're planning on bringing WoW to console

and the increased pricing and tiering of game pass makes me think they'll add WoW to it

[fathom fulcrum]

single minded fury is a passive that lets u transmog one handers allegedly o - o

[little hound]

yh

[fathom fulcrum]

fat W

[little hound]

Still no Gorehowl? Fat L

[fathom fulcrum]

yes

no gOwOrehowl :/

[little hound]

Aaaand you made it cringe.

[elfin eagle]

Lot more death then I thought

Scourge invasion this mount

[deep pawn]

maybe not console

but absolutely designing with streaming in mind

[rain cave]

the only thing stopping it from being on console right now is just having official bindings and UI

and they're streamlining the rotations down further in midnight

so they could very easily setup some kind of console port

I think the main issue would be servers if anything

and how subscriptions would be handled

but if gamepass essential has the game time only, not the expansions. That would probably be fine no?

[upper pasture]

I think it’s weird to think one day we might just be “this is a ranged builder and spender class, this is the melee this is the proc based range class, yada yada”

[rain cave]

wdym

[austere gazelle]

This foreshadows the future of light and shadow. Like life and death, both will mingle into something else

[worn crown]

I remember in Legion when we had a LOT of abilities cut from all classes, many people were saying "they'll port it to consoles!", yet never happened - so far???

[deep pawn]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24240007

Remix housing rewards preview

and full bronze rewards

[deep pawn]

12.0 was pushed to the TWW Beta line in launcher for some reason

[rain cave]

the difference is they weren't owned by a console creator