beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

I'd prefer it. They can make the cgi work

They literally have before

There's a medium between whole eyes glowing slightly and a headlamp after all. Bolvar shows that

[zenith arch]

I mean their eyes do glow

A small amnt

[deep pawn]

And that's a problem

Especially when you have people telling you "that's how your elf really looks"

[zenith arch]

Be careful cause the last time they had sexy women in game they were replaced w fruit

[uncut vault]

I love seeing people beat that dead horse when the delve companion for this xpac is literally Valeera Sanguinar lmao

notoriously undersexualized woman

[zenith arch]

THE LAST MELON

Show me another char that looks as skimpy as her

[uncut vault]

Alextrasza, the main character of the last expansion lmao

[zenith arch]

Not nearly enough skin bb

[uncut vault]

Gotta love gooner straight men

'MY WOMEN DONT HAVE BIKINIS ANYMORE, WOKE HAS KILLED MY GAME'

[zenith arch]

Didnt say it killed it XD

Dont put words in ma mouth

Thats why Liadrian came out the way she did.

People complain oh theyre too hot

Then you get this and now mad

[upper pasture]

You know what’s crazy, women can have clothes and still be attractive

[zenith arch]

Yk what else is crazy

At least theyre the ones working on the cinematics

Cause if it was any of us it wouldnt be half as good.

[upper pasture]

I don’t think any of us claimed to be able to do it better?

[deep pawn]

I hate that it's a bottom 3 WoW cinematic for me

[zenith arch]

you read like a teen

[upper pasture]

You love to insult people

[zenith arch]

Pot calling kettle black

but ok

[upper pasture]

Name a time I insulted you?

[zenith arch]

MB rowan said it

But

You are passively antagonizing XD

[upper pasture]

Right, and you aren’t? Lol please go on about how bad Warcraft is now

What I don’t understand is if you’re so mad and upset about everything wow is why are you even here? Go off to the private server discord and complain there since they are “doing everything right”

[zenith arch]

Im triggered that pixies think that the sky should be green when its blue.

[deep pawn]

Wow has some green skies

[zenith arch]

FOOK

I FORGOT

LEGION GOT GREEN SKIES

[upper pasture]

This makes me think about that one weird dude that was mad about the dryads in 10.2 weren’t “sexy” enough for him and wow is “legit dead” because of it

[zenith arch]

Same reason as you to look at BETA/PTR Spoilers but the ignorance of certain qualities of the game that make it unique and the NEED to remove certain aspects hurts it more than saves it. Or even with eyes XD, they Liadrin is fine and yall find a way to complain abt it.

[zenith arch]

And I didnt say that LOL

[upper pasture]

I have no qualms with the cinematic

[zenith arch]

Then why interject?

[deep pawn]

The eyes break my suspension of disbelief for the cinematic

The only other art I have issues with is the Amani noses

[zenith arch]

Im defending it and it seems you dont want me to XD

[upper pasture]

Oh sorry my lord, if I’m not opposing I’ll remain silent

I took issue with nearly everything else you said about wow, the RvB aspects being taken away and I’m a firm believer that the less faction divisions is good for the game

[zenith arch]

Brother

thats over

move on

I didnt bring that up when im talking to these boys did I?

[upper pasture]

Brother, you asked why I interjected, are you for fucking real? You know what nevermind, enjoy the day you deserve

[ember blaze]

her chest is showing more skin lol

the thong was stupid from the beginning

[ember blaze]

yeah this guy is extremely hostile for no reason lol

[zenith arch]

Hostility from facts?

Funny

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/lex-monkey-monkey-lex-lex-monkey-typing-typing-gif-3929174101619105730

this is legit you

[zenith arch]

Large echo chamber in here 😄

[ember blaze]

like you are doing a great job conveying how mad you are over nothing lol

through text

[upper pasture]

I’m not even bothered, they already broken a few server rules anyways

[zenith arch]

plus idk how this is more skin

[ember blaze]

i can see her boobs more

i guess youre also blind

[zenith arch]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-squint-chicken-gif-3745278061410768328

I dont see bra straps on first model bro

[zenith arch]

Clearly you are you Cussed lol

[lavish raptor]

can you take more angles? i'm not seeing the less skin on the newer model

[lavish raptor]

i mean the uncomfortable looking bikini is gone yeah

[lavish raptor]

[zenith arch]

My POINT on these was this is why liadrin is looking the way she is

[lavish raptor]

liadrin cant turn into a bigass dragon when she wants to fight someone

[zenith arch]

Not yet, but with the power of friendship she can XD

Blizz wont make her look Sexier or diff, just due to all the allegations. The eyes sure you could make em all glowy and neat, but If those are the only reasons that cinematic is bad. Its mind blowing.

[lavish raptor]

they should have put the army of the light in speedos

[zenith arch]

Hot

Anyone remember the WoD cinematic?

The testosterone?

The mmph

That was peak wow

[uncut vault]

and now the men are WOKE and BAD because I cant see their bulging tits

Lorthemar not being in a mankini is why this game sucks now

[ember blaze]

am i color blind or are void visuals more blue than purple

they call void dh very purple, but where is the purple

and just void in general

[uncut vault]

They've generally been shifting to have Old Gods be the purple, goopy kind of shadow magic, whereas the 'cosmic' void is more blue/indigo and white

Seems like theyre basing Devourer on the latter

[warm topaz]

very Sarkareth

[zenith arch]

https://tenor.com/view/dicaprio-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-gif-5761659

[deep pawn]

Old god blood is actually black now haha

Black and red

[rain cave]

I go away for a few hours come back and people are arguing over boobs...

Are we still in 2007 guys come on

[clear apex]

Fyi: women who play wow do enjoy wearing revealing clothes, but not for men. For ourselves

Wow my word gets blocked but saying boobs is ok?

And gay is ok to say

[upper pasture]

Huh

[clear apex]

Nothing more gay than oily shirtless men in fur undies

IDK it had issue with the other word for gay

[ember blaze]

what r u talking about

[clear apex]

I got warned

[upper pasture]

I mean, if it’s the word I’m thinking of, yeah that should be blocked

[clear apex]

T.T but it's accurate over saying gay

[upper pasture]

It’s also definitely derogatory

[clear apex]

Not what i said, no

But i can't say it so

[ember blaze]

wait what does gay have to do with wearing revealing clothes 🤔

[clear apex]

I can't explain since the word is blocked

[upper pasture]

Probably for the best

[clear apex]

Think jojos bizarre adventures

[ember blaze]

yeah im still not following

[zenith arch]

Echos are really loud in here XD

[clear apex]

Nvm then

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-side-eye-staring-gif-24666090

[lavish raptor]

is bara blocked

[rain cave]

I'm not arguing for or against, I agree with your statement. I just find it funny that I've come back and THIS is the topic

[pulsar minnow]

Reading through some of the panels. MrGM asked about the Harandar’s location on Azeroth but they didn’t really give a good answer.

That said, the reveal about the Rift of Aln suggests it’s in Kalimdor no?

Under moonglade potentially?

[zealous sedge]

It’s definitely gonna need a portal to get to it

[upper pasture]

wasn't it basically "where all the roots of the world tree meet"?

[zealous sedge]

Yes

[upper pasture]

im pretty excited for that zone

[zealous sedge]

Agreed it looks cool I’m definitely gonna roll a Haranir

Might do a warlock just because it feels wrong hehe

[pulsar minnow]

I saw some speculation on Twitter about it. I didn’t know this prior but:

“Moonglade's reflection within the Emerald Dream is the most sacred place in the entire realm.[5] The Rift of Aln is located here in Lake Elune'ara's place.”

[zealous sedge]

It makes sense

If they tie moonglade in or not would be another story

I have a feeling they might mention it but it would mostly be the Haranir coming for our help in Silvermoon. (I forget her name).

[pulsar minnow]

My hope is whatever they choose to do it’s not a random portal we click on in the capital that takes us to the Harandar

It felt so disappointing to have that in Emerald Dream and Undermine

[clear apex]

Might be though since he explained it just "exists"

Though i hope haranir (or all of us) get to speed through the tree roots similar to the coreway

[pulsar minnow]

My hope as well.

In my mind I see Orweyna opening the way in various parts of Quel Thalas where we see the overgrowth appearing

Then by diving into them we have our airlock tech where we’re flying through a bunch of roots and whatever else

[deep pawn]

Haradnar sounds like it exists in the dream

It defies 3d space by being where all the world tree roots meet

The Dawngrowth is centered around what was Deatholme. It's where the roots of the mother tree are

[novel zodiac]

i just fucking realized

this is the third expansion in a row with underground zones

pls make it stop

[glass fulcrum]

tbf zones like hallowfall are fine but caves are getting a little tiring

[zealous sedge]

I agree although I think Harandar will be less cave like and more terrarium

They must’ve invested a lot in the tech to get it done haha

[uncut vault]

They said that Harandar doesn't have a set 'real' location

it's a world between worlds of sorts, a magical convergence of the World Trees

there's no one 'real' spot that the roots of the world tree across the world could ever meet

[deep pawn]

eh, Haradnar doesn't feel very underground

[deep pawn]

plus there's probably a world tree on Avaloren, or two

[zealous sedge]

I wonder if it will have a skybox though

I feel as tho Harandar while not technically “underground” might facet as some sort of biome that sustains Azeroth itself. Perhaps there are more places like that part of Azeroth that keep the world soul “alive” so to speak. Like the organs of the world.

Also why do I feel like Xal will attempt to go for Harandar in a future patch in order to get to the world soul chamber? Since the roots can be used like portals.

[deep pawn]

I feel like she wouldn't need them

[zealous sedge]

Hmm quite possible. I’m curious why she needs so much power to defeat/ consume the world soul. Is the world soul that powerful? Or are the defenses around the chamber that powerful? Or is she preparing for a battle with either us (the player) and or other cosmic forces specifically the titans who would be alerted to the breach.

[novel zodiac]

if the zone has walls and a ceiling, its underground

[deep pawn]

oh, I hadn't seen a ceiling

just kinda haze

[rain cave]

to be fair, there is a pretty wide definition of what an underground zone can be and they've not really had repeats

so this is like saying "3rd expansion in a row with a forest"

but I get you

[sleek solar]

I wonder if the blood elf starter zone will get updated

[ember blaze]

night elf wasnt

[plain violet]

Yes, we have seen a screen!

There is a HD version of the starter zone, but it's not for new blood elves.

[remote shuttle]

Harandar can be literally anywhere under the world, x unknown distance from Khaz Algar, just like Undermine.

[sleek solar]

Why would it? Its a entire different zone

[sleek solar]

Yeah thats what I meant, very nice! 😄

[plain violet]

Yes! We have seen some screens. :)

[pulsar minnow]

There’s a skybox but it’s just roots and whatever. Kinda like Hallowfall

[lavish raptor]

I think they mean night elf starting zone wasn't updated after the starting zone was torched

[sleek solar]

Well the entirety of the zone is not updated, it al burned down🤣

[zealous sedge]

I can’t wait to hear what the music will be like in Silvermoon/ Quel’Thalas. The original theme is so good I wouldn’t mind them reusing it but maybe an updated recording

[clear apex]

I hope for an updated recording as well, maybe something a little less forlorn

The violin or cello is very "we're kinda sad"

[ember blaze]

Bard mentioned by ion, RADIANT SONG BARD CONFIRMED

[lone mantle]

My wife will be most pleased upon learning of this.

[ember blaze]

[zealous sedge]

I think they just need to create a support role in general and include more specs/ classes

Probably the easiest way to balance so it’s not competing with DPS

[ember blaze]

creating a support role means they gotta rework all content

[zealous sedge]

Make it an optional role

[ember blaze]

???

also aug is a dps, its competing against dps

[lone mantle]

There could be numerous options for selecting instruments, such as the flute, violin, lyre, lute, or voice.

[zealous sedge]

Okay I take that back not optional

But if you make the specs/ classes less DPS focused then you just have to balance within then role and not DPS as a whole

[ember blaze]

yeah but in this case, its just a dps

[zealous sedge]

Also yes reworking content is an issue but you’d really only need to for current content. Legacy shouldn’t matter too much.

That is true

[ember blaze]

and if it does introduce instruments, i wonder if they could also let you play music yourself 👀

although its probably not how theyre going with it lol

[ember blaze]

not really

what if youre leveling?

what if i go into the mage tower

[lone mantle]

Yes, that would be the most creative form of self-expression.

[ember blaze]

tho i guess in those parts you just lock em out

[tropic trail]

Wooooot is this legit?

[upper pasture]

bard isn't confirmed in the slightest

[tropic trail]

I wanna be radiant song bard diva 💅 I wanna sing my enemies to death

https://tenor.com/view/the-fifth-element-sing-alien-singing-gif-3541283

[ember blaze]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/world-of-warcraft-leads-talk-to-us-player-housing-horde-vs-alliance-future-classes-and-specs-player-identity-and-more

yep

very legit

dont mind the non believers, they said the same about void dh and augmentation

[uncut vault]

Counterpoint: him wanting the vibe of what a Bard is in other games implies that we're not getting a direct Bard in WoW :P

[zealous sedge]

All good points. This is why I’m here because I don’t think of these things lol

[ember blaze]

that's why we're getting the radiant song bard that doesnt involve musical instruments

we gonna use crystals after all

@zealous sedgeid love a fourth role though, but i understand that would just be as much work as housing probably

specially if you do what aug released at where youre increasing healthbars by 15% and giving out 15% main stat buffs

like it's a cool concept where you focus on utility

[tropic trail]

Counterpoint was in baroque now we have 21 century. Bard = wow saved, bard is love 👏😌

[ember blaze]

so they see consistent feedback about something, but refuse to change their minds about it 🤔

and here i thought shadowlands dev mindset was gone

[little hound]

Oh no. They won’t surrender to ceaseless whining. Damn, imagine being strict. Cruel world.

(Or just be a reasonable adult, move on and deal with it)

[warm topaz]

he probably wants Mage Tower and make an Evoker questline/order hall

[rain cave]

I just wish they'd communicate WHY they aren't doing it.

[warm topaz]

it's not on him

[rain cave]

is there some kind of legal thing preventing them from readding those specific appearances?

[ember blaze]

they flip a coin

mage tower? exclusive. AOTC mount that never returns? It's back

[rain cave]

because if not I don't get why they don't bring mage tower artifact stuff back for remix, it would be a big selling point even if they're HARDER than before, and balanced so most people won't get it

honestly I have issue with aotc mounts going away

I have issues with anything going away for exclusivity

the game is much healthier when they don't design like that imo

but yeah i wish more game studios were more transparent, the warframe devs have had great success from it

[deep pawn]

Josh said earlier with the limited time they had that doing Evokers would've reduced content all classes could engage with so it was a lose-lose.

Either exclude Evoker, or make people mad for wasting time on Evoker.

[rain cave]

I understand why there's no evoker

that makes sense to me

I mean the mage tower stuff

[deep pawn]

I think there's no way to have any challenge to the mage tower in Remix and that might be why, but I wouldn't reattached them to the current mage tower experience

[rain cave]

can always scale you, have an upper limit on what stats you can bring in

[zenith arch]

Because why have skill specific rewards? Like glad sets. If you didn’t make it in time to get it, you don’t get it. They were really hard back in 7.2 and in 7.3.5 it was piss easy for everyone to get. Plus trying to make a mage tower for legion remix requires more work than people might think to get a challenging fight that everyone can do.

Why have the appearance if you just go in and one shot it on a pally when I took a week to get it down in 7.2

[zealous sedge]

At the end of the day it all boils down to resources. They have to pick and choose what to do. Some features take more time to adjust and make work than others. But they aren’t gonna tell the player base they don’t have the resources, because the player base won’t accept that. But it’s a business. I don’t think the decision is made purely of exclusivity.

[zenith arch]

They were advertised that way in legion so I can see the exclusivity still being a thing. But the resources hurt because more than just Marketing teams got layed off.

Tell you what beat every mythic mode boss for 30 days in a row on Lemix you got it.

[ember blaze]

the same way they do it on live: Scaling.

[deep pawn]

I have all the mage tower appearances, I fully believe everyone should have access.

[ember blaze]

they already have the tech to make something work

[zenith arch]

Can’t scale for infinite

[ember blaze]

they just arent willing

[zenith arch]

Why divert resources out of an Xpac to sit there for 3 weeks running numbers on infinite scaling?

On a remix event nonetheless

[ember blaze]

who said anything about infinite scaling

[zenith arch]

Your artifact

[ember blaze]

u do realize u can scale people down?

[zenith arch]

Scaling down wouldn’t help

[ember blaze]

except it would

[zenith arch]

Then you have to go through the fights and retune

[ember blaze]

specially if they want to make it hard

dude they already did the work on live

[zenith arch]

For what

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/exit-exit-pepe-saindo-vou-embora-sair-gif-25162644

[zenith arch]

lol asked for proof and doesn’t provide

[ember blaze]

we are talking about the mage tower, sorry u cant follow lol

the mage tower scales you down already

[zenith arch]

Oh so the mage tower people can go back and still have a piss easy time

Ok

[ember blaze]

people even got banned paying someone to do the tank challenge for them for bear form

piss easy was in 7.3 in legion

[zenith arch]

I’ve got all 5 of the exclusive werebears bro, two trinkets made that fight easy in the updated tower

That’s why they won’t do it

I went back got 2 trinkets from diff mythic bosses and they worked in TW

Killed the boss in 3min

[ember blaze]

literally just disable items and give people static stats

they can do anything

but yeah they wont, and they even abandoned it on live

[zenith arch]

Again why divert resources off an expansion for a feature that was marketed as exclusive to that Xpac

[ember blaze]

i think some TWW items still dont scale down

[ember blaze]

funny u say this when lemix literally has a ton of new shit they didnt do on mop

that required a ton of dev time

[zenith arch]

Which was done a while ago

These things were in the pipeline last year XD

[ember blaze]

when it happened doesnt matter. they dedicated resources to add new shit to a side and temporary event mode

[zenith arch]

Which lemix adds more than enough to supplant than 1 skin per artifact

People should ask Blizz to make all the old glad gear available that’ll work out well

[ember blaze]

nah, the 5 people still playing pvp would leave

tho idk how many of those 5 are 1 person's alt

[zenith arch]

🤣

But stilll

It’s like me telling you hey, I’m gonna go back and get that really cool item you worked really hard for at the time that you thought was exclusive but it’s really not and people are going to get it this time around but it’s much easier.

[harsh mason]

Sorry, but Alex from DF> Alex from Wotlk/cata

[zenith arch]

Huh

[ember blaze]

its just some arbitrary line. CE mounts and mythic loot dont suddenly go away once the season ends

[zenith arch]

No but they go down to 0.04-0.01%

[ember blaze]

and recently with the boosted drop rates, u could just loot em all in a week

no lol

its 1%

[zenith arch]

Even better

[ember blaze]

and got boosted by the event

and those are rewards far more prestigious than a shitty challenge u could blink through in 7.3

[zenith arch]

Mythic mounts were never advertised as exclusive XD

[ember blaze]

aotc mounts were, but that one sure is coming back

[zenith arch]

Did the MoP one come back?

[ember blaze]

now youre starting to get how dumb these lines blizzard draws and erases in the blink of an eye are

[zenith arch]

It’s their game

[ember blaze]

and i can criticize their inconsistency and ask them to change

[zenith arch]

Still gonna be exclusive to legion

Shoulda played it and gotten it when it was there.

Like the rest of us 🤣

[ember blaze]

i got the weapon i wanted in legion, i dont care

[zenith arch]

You do thoooo 🤣

If you didn’t you wouldn’t say anything

[ember blaze]

i can care about other people getting the chance i did

[zenith arch]

Uhuh….

[ember blaze]

i just happened to decide hey, this game looks cool in 7.3

and started playing

participation trophy

[zenith arch]

Damn so you don’t even know the challenge of 7.2 MT 💀

Yea let’s hand out participation trophies to everyone

You get a mythic mount

[ember blaze]

they sure were when i did the mage tower

[zenith arch]

Oh you beat Xavius on normal??? Lemme give you a mythic tier colored set!

[novel zodiac]

already got a bunch thanks to the collectors event

tvm

[ember blaze]

right?

speaking of

[zenith arch]

Mounts are totally different XD

[novel zodiac]

no they arent

[ember blaze]

ansurek mythic mount might be puggable this season 🤔

[novel zodiac]

i killed Argus in Heroic and the mount its coming back

[lavish raptor]

Issue w/ mythic ansurek is mythic silken court from what I hear

[zenith arch]

When was the last time Mount was labeled as exclusive but brought back aside from this AoTC mount?

[novel zodiac]

why cant the MT appearances come back too

[ember blaze]

yeah but nothing u cant outgear at some point

last time i tried this was back in BFA with jaina mount, though maybe corruption made it too easy

but we do have turbo boost

[lavish raptor]

Also technically the retired Refer-a-Friend mounts were made available via trading post

[ember blaze]

thats like 100 ilvls over by turbo boost

[zenith arch]

Again a completely different thing but ok

They never said any of those were exclusive

[lavish raptor]

One takes Hawd Ehfart right

[ember blaze]

the TCG mounts

[lavish raptor]

Me stab Argoose with sworb

[zenith arch]

Money limits and skill limits are different

[ember blaze]

damn drawing random lines, u should work at blizzard

[zenith arch]

No im just being rightful in saying when it was advertised as such

[novel zodiac]

so first mounts dont count, then they do if its skills, but not aotc mounts

wtf is wrong with him

[zenith arch]

Does EXCLUSIVE mean anything anymore

[novel zodiac]

NO IT DOESNT

GIVE ME EVERYTHING

[zenith arch]

You’re drawing a comparison from a monetization view 🤣

[lavish raptor]

Is it a real AOTC mount if you paid for a boost

[zenith arch]

Everyone had access to TCG

[lavish raptor]

[novel zodiac]

BRO I CAN PAY SOME DUDE MONEY AND GET GLAD IF I WANT

IT MEANS NOTHING

[zenith arch]

You just needed to buy it

[novel zodiac]

what skills are you talking about

[zenith arch]

You’ll get banned after buying glad but ok

[novel zodiac]

pay with gold then

its not illegal

as long as blizz gets his token money

they dont care

[lavish raptor]

Skill in ppl spending wow tokens for mythic raid boss mounts

[zenith arch]

And the skill of doing the mage tower btw

[novel zodiac]

THERE WAS NO SKILL

[zenith arch]

Instead of throwing money at a situation

There was XD

[novel zodiac]

all the skill involved was waiting for it to be rebuilt

[zenith arch]

Mage tower was the pinnacle of skill 🤣

[novel zodiac]

go in with 7.3.5 ilvl

and do it

[zenith arch]

Ah yes

When it was piss easy for you

[novel zodiac]

still counts

[zenith arch]

So why didn’t you get them all back then?

[novel zodiac]

why didnt blizzard make the MT go away with the patch them

[novel zodiac]

lack of time

[zenith arch]

Then there’s your answer

[novel zodiac]

you know, there's something called life

[lavish raptor]

The real reason why they aren't bringing back Mage Tower is because they don't want to retune it. It's been ignored since the retuning in DF.

[novel zodiac]

looks like your like depends on some pixels

sad

[zenith arch]

It was a limited time exclusive feature MARKETED as such and you wanna just re add it on a whim

[lavish raptor]

your ilvl is doodoo when u go in

[novel zodiac]

just like you dont want it back on a whim

[zenith arch]

Yuh yuh yuh

Cause I worked for it when I was told it was exclusive

[novel zodiac]

so what they should do is hear the majority and fuck the minority

[zenith arch]

Yes because if they made everything available to everybody there’s nothing cool

[novel zodiac]

people worked hard for Argus AOTC

where's their prestige?

[zenith arch]

Mage tower

If you got that trinket

[novel zodiac]

dude's having a stroke

[zenith arch]

You won every time gg ez

That trinket got me my Druid healing appearance

Stop having a stroke cause you didn’t have time to get a time exclusive item

Oh but that’s right lemme hand lil Timmy 5mil for free while you took your whole life to make it 🤣

Greedy little goblins in wow, oh I missed it but it’s really cool. Oh it’s not available anymore 🙁 damn I should complain till I get every exclusive item from every xpansion and just show that I look as cool as a mythic raider.

[deep pawn]

There's no real prestige to my mage tower appearances, I got most of them in the last month before prepatch haha

[novel zodiac]

you can get mythic mounts and transmog rn

do you even play the game?

[deep pawn]

Hell I can get mythic transmogs from solo content. 😛

[zenith arch]

No but with your logic we should just give out mythic mounts to everyone

[deep pawn]

current SEASON

[deep pawn]

a decade after? I have no issue

The collector's bounty event was a massive success

[novel zodiac]

nobody is asking for the MT appearances to be given

just put a way to get them

the MT is right there

scale the shit out of it and turn them on

lets see whats the excuse now

[little hound]

Eh, or just leave the appearances alone, works too.

[deep pawn]

at the very least give recolors cause who can say no to more glow cats

[little hound]

Internally shrugging.

[zenith arch]

Because they’re not gonna take time for the small minority who didn’t get the appearances. In their EXCLUSIVE event.

Hold up

I got you @little hound

[little hound]

Huh?

[zenith arch]

You’ll see

[little hound]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-guy-funny-chinese-guy-chinese-noodles-eating-chinese-noodles-funny-chinese-meme-guy-gif-14566633223927159374

[deep pawn]

I personally think it's stupid that if you start playing WoW later in the game that you have 0 shot at getting anything like it, but it's whatever.

[zenith arch]

I mean why label it as exclusive then

Like whaaaa

[little hound]

Still waitin'.

[zenith arch]

I gotta fly to barber 🙁 sec

[novel zodiac]

where was it labeled as exclusive

[little hound]

If you're gonna flex the Glow Cat, don't bother. I have it too

[deep pawn]

I think time limited rewards in general are stupid, especially a decade after they were originally earned.

I'm literally a 36/36 degen, let them be free.

There's no pride in having them all, lots I cheesed with consumables.

[deep pawn]

Except everyone has the cloaks now. 😛

or at least the appearances.

[little hound]

• Got the Balance Druid scythe, CAt form, and one of the warrior weapons. Forgot if it was Fury or Arms.

[lavish raptor]

the ordos access that was gatekept to the mop cloaks is now available if you unlocked it in remop

[zenith arch]

I got em all it the one I like the most. Just gotta show people what they missed out on 😄

[little hound]

Your toxicity levels are approved.

[zenith arch]

❤️

They have exclusive rewards for people like me whove been playing since BC to have some form a saying HEY I DID THIS ON HARD MODE

Cause if not them im just a goob

Im a normal andy

[little hound]

I'm all for inclusivity on cosmetics, but not when people whine and cry like entitled babies about it.

[zenith arch]

Fair point

[little hound]

"Nah, we did this on LFR Difficulty, we deserve it equally as much".

[deep pawn]

you're gonna be so heartbroken when mop merges collections with retail.

[zenith arch]

I play SoD and classic too bb

[deep pawn]

I literally did the mage tower when it was easiest, unless you cheese with ascension its harder now

[zenith arch]

DAMN I sUrE HoPE ThEy AdD Ashbringer back

[little hound]

I mean, Blizz has already said firmly and Clearly: NO. So i don't see what good moaning and bitching in a Discord will do for it.

[deep pawn]

As if Blizzard hasn't caved before.

Especially when they feel like it's an easy PR win

[little hound]

They didn't for MoP CM Armors.

They won't for Legion Tower skins.

[deep pawn]

And there's no consistency ever in Blizzard haha

[zenith arch]

OMG IM getting rewards I got back in OG MOP again?

[novel zodiac]

they didnt for Garrosh AOTC mount, but they'll do it for Argus's one?

[zenith arch]

After playing for the 2nd time 🙁

[novel zodiac]

what's the line

[zenith arch]

Preservation of some exclusivity

[novel zodiac]

ok, so then make exclusive the aotc mount and bring back MT appearances

[zenith arch]

And tired of reworking old content because people complain

Difference between turning on a drop and retuning every mage tower fight for every class AGAIN

[little hound]

Eh, or don't bring back MT Appearances, works fine too.

[deep pawn]

you act like they did that with legion timewalking haha.

Again, my opinion is I had the exclusivity for a decade, it won't hurt my feelings.

[zenith arch]

I tanked AOTC Argus in LFR sets so idk how it was that difficult

[little hound]

This argument is never going to end.

[zenith arch]

nah

[novel zodiac]

yeah, cause you guys are wrong

[zenith arch]

No cause you didnt get it when you were supposed to XD

[little hound]

Yeah yeah, sit down and mope about it. I feel like i'm right, each to their own opinion.

My genuine reaction to this entire shitfest.

[zenith arch]

I played Legion when I was a kid and doing HS football, along with band and still have all of them?

Wild

Crazy I had a life and got it done

[deep pawn]

The hardest part was levelling the characters to do it, that's not the flex you think it is as a fellow 36/36 haha

[little hound]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/preorder-player-housing-decorations-will-be-available-for-gold-but-only-for-epic-378288

This is nice

[zenith arch]

WAIT Dont froget all the shop changes inc for all the housing items and sub items

Alll 16 tabs of shop pages 💀

[zenith arch]

It is for me

Cause I did it during 7.2-7.3

While in school

in Football

And Band

[little hound]

They only said SOME Bundles would be in the shop.

[zenith arch]

With 3hrs to play a night

[little hound]

So don't expect PAGES upon PAGES of it.

[zenith arch]

Sec

thats the first itteration

Just wait for the housing tabs (O_O)

[ember blaze]

i wonder what becomes of this

[zenith arch]

Nothing XD

They xfer chars to retail when those servers are over

Its been in the surveys

DoNt YoU rEaD

[ember blaze]

yeah so that shitty 2 pixel wep u got can be transferred over

[zenith arch]

the one that you dont have?

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[deep pawn]

I do hope Blizzard tells us sooner rather than later so I have a chance to fill in the mop CM gold sets

but I do think it'll be crappy they didn't tell us sooner.

[ember blaze]

right 🤔

[deep pawn]

especially since the original communication was "never merging"

[zenith arch]

They do tell you

Every year in the surveys

[deep pawn]

The survey's about merging classic with retail are a newish thing just the last few months

and that's not set it stone yet

[zenith arch]

Do you want to play WoD classic?

[deep pawn]

Like I'm fine with Blizzard changing their minds, but they need to be upfront FASTER with those changes in mind so people don't feel cheated.

I liked WoD, I'd enjoy it

[zenith arch]

See then there might be a WoD, I liked the leveling and raiding. But Idk if everyone wants that.

[deep pawn]

We're either getting WoD classic or Blizzard will end classic, start over again, and merge collections from the start so retail players realize they have an actual reason to play the next cycle of classic.

[zenith arch]

And youve got all expansion of MoP to get them so I wouldnt Worry.

[deep pawn]

Also, why are you okay with THOSE exclusive appearances suddenly coming back to retail when you're so fussy about your "I peaked in high school" mage tower appearances.

[zenith arch]

Because youre going back to that gamestate and playing it in those conditions

I have all mop rewards alrdy

I did it the first time

Those werent as bad as getting all 36 appearances

And there arent many exclusive items to Classic that you CANT get now.

Ashbringer, Glad sets, Mop Tmogs are like 3 of the top ones.

And one of those alrdy got added as an artifact

[deep pawn]

Except it's not the same conditions. We have better internet now, infinitely more information, larger servers, etc.

Better coordination on stuff like the gong

[zenith arch]

But you went back and did it in that setting no?

You actively logged on to the older version and did it

[deep pawn]

Regardless, a lot of people skipped out because Blizzard told us classic would have no impact on retail.

[zenith arch]

when it was current for that patch

We still dont know XD

It might

but even if it does its only has very small items that a majority have now. AKa T3

[deep pawn]

Scarab Lords would basically infinitely increase in commonness, Hand of A'dal would be everywhere.

[zenith arch]

[deep pawn]

Again, I'm FINE if they do it, they should have just announced that years ago

[zenith arch]

Idk how many scarab lords actually got through but theres no more than 100

Which is 0.01% of PB

And a grind that requires days of 0 sleep

Oh I would 1000% be fine w that

SoD is diff sotry

Idk wtf theyre gonna do w it

[deep pawn]

Many servers had scores of scarab lords in the 2019 version and again in anniversary haha.

[zenith arch]

Yea but that was like max 5-8P server

[deep pawn]

When current retail scarab lords that are active is like single digits

[deep pawn]

you're likely underestimating haha

[zenith arch]

Im not LOL

Double digits in a million or thousand player game means nothing

Scarab lord users back in the day had it just as bad as 2019

2019 had thousands more people knowing where it all was

2003 didnt

There arent any weird lines blizzard draws, they have to find a way to preserve some form of exclusivity throughout babies constantly asking for a handout. Without it you loose some of the fun aspects of gaming.

Remember how getting a purple used to feel? Get that blast of dopamine?

Purples feel like shit now

Oh shit heres one here

Another there.

No way to make myself stand out from average joes if we just give everyone everything.

Devalues all of the hard work and time already gone into it.

[deep pawn]

Meh, not worth continuing a discussion if you can't at least be consistent with your own exclusivity stuff regarding "You had to be there!" and then being totally okay with Blizzard letting you redo it on classic if you were omnipotent enough to know they would change their minds regarding classic collections.

And being all "Blizzard can't change their mind on the mage tower exclusivity!" while being okay with the classic stuff.

[zenith arch]

Classic allows people to go back and experience it for that entire expansion cycle for 1-2yrs that’s different from just reinstating and allowing everyone to do it again.

You have to actually play and do it in those conditions

I’m also biased in wanting them to transfer us to retail so I can stop playing MOP

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure if I trust Blizzard on this haha

[opaque pewter]

Hmm I'd say there aren't that much mechanic right now, and they're kinda clear on what to anticipate

[ember blaze]

that wont be balanced 🤔

[opaque pewter]

If I were to list what we have right now, the standard things are

1. Circle with flat inner swirl (new style): Projected damaging area
2. Circle with vertical line at center: Detonation; must soak else raid-wide damage
3. Circle with vertical swirl (tornado-like): Damage is split; group soak
4. Non-homing line: Damage at line
5. Homing line: Damage projected past line
6. Textured ground: Damage area

If anything, the new player area should make players recognize these patterns in a pass-fail quest

[austere gazelle]

their goal is to make a spec that can be fit for M+ ( melee style oriented ) and raid ( ranged meta oriented ) but I'm not sure it'll works like this

or if it'll work at all

[deep pawn]

they'll change the first playstyle just like they did WoD meta and Legion-BfA shadow

[ember blaze]

delete it?

[austere gazelle]

na, DH need some love, for once we'll be the first spec to be worked on when alpha / beta will launch xD

we won't be the last one that'll have a short windows of feedback and end up cucked

[deep pawn]

probably haha

They'll just make it a set duration or at best it'll be current shadow Void Form

[ember blaze]

yeah problably like dragonrage

[ember blaze]

nah its easy vs hard to play

[austere gazelle]

I envision the Meta gameplay being useful only for raid and very high key

if the trash mobs dies fast in dungeon it'll be useless

you won't spend time building your meta resource to spend on a dying pack

[ember blaze]

the problem is downtime

its why old voidform was bad in dungeons

[deep pawn]

Current archon shadow has stupid uptime

[zealous sedge]

Once you make it through the ramp up it’s pretty powerful and fun. I’m glad archon is back in the meta haha

[upper pasture]

god damn, exclusives should be exclusives for a time period then after X amount of time let anyone get those things, otherwise you're literally telling people "too bad you didn't play WoW while in your mothers womb, sorry you can't have this exclusive item." i feel bad for newer players when they see cool mogs that are unobtainable in today's WoW and then there's people kicking and screaming that it was about "skill"

most of them we're just about playing and doing the correct thing when it was available

really the only exclusive things i think are appropriate to keep exclusive are the 0.01% titles and the first 200 mythic clear kills

[clear apex]

Hell, i just got a mount from legion during the mount grind but it's going to be purchasable in legion remix, I'm not upset. Annoyed that i took the time to grind it to find out i could get it for bronze in a few months? Sure. But if others can enjoy it too, great

The positive on that is i get to enjoy first for a bit? IDK

What I'm curious about is why people on forums are crying over paying gold for housing items???

*on wowhead posts

[upper pasture]

hell, i want them to make the keystone mounts into a system like the saddle system, first character that gets 2k/3k gets the mount and other afterwards gets a token that can buy older keystone mounts at the appropriate levels

[clear apex]

You can buy tokens with money and that gets you gold, gold buys furniture therefore ... housing is now mtx to these people??

[upper pasture]

yup, that's literally their train of thought, they don't even know the gold price of these items yet they are crying already, some of these items could literally be just a couple thousand gold, nothing noone in their right mind would buy a token over, yet the kicking and screaming has begun

[clear apex]

Btw no one's mentioned the lumber stuff

I'm curious how that'll work.
And every game/ mmo (except sandbox modes) have cost for items

If that's their logic then the game already is mtx

[deep pawn]

you also get to save a ton of bronze

[clear apex]

That is true

[deep pawn]

basically people don't want to have to buy duplicates

I mean so long as it's not super expensive goldwise I'm not against a slight sink

but the cap being like 60+ why even bother with having to have multiple of the same furnishing

[clear apex]

Wow housing is a joke, who asked for it? Wasted resources.
I'll never touch housing, why play sims in my mmo?
I have to buy more than one item? That's stupid, this game has so much mtx, can't wait to see all the housing items on the shop. <--- wow players circa 2025

[lavish raptor]

i cant believe i have to play the game to become more powerful

[upper pasture]

brother that's wow "players" since 2007

[clear apex]

Can't imagine having rp in my rpg

[upper pasture]

what lumber stuff are you talking about tho?

[lavish raptor]

i assume to build the house?

[clear apex]

Ok forgive me with names but i think it's the one housing guy that's in all the interviews, wears glasses

[lavish raptor]

maybe itll be like garrisos again lol

[clear apex]

He mentioned lumber for furniture

[upper pasture]

with paul kubit or however it's spelt?

[clear apex]

And another person briefly said it too

Yeah him

Like very brushed over, but he said we'd gather lumber and that's somehow tied to housing.

[upper pasture]

https://wccftech.com/world-of-warcraft-midnight-qa-housing-long-term/

in here?

lumber isn't mentioned once, maybe a different interview?

idk probably a quest to unlock housing if i were a betting man

[clear apex]

It was a livestream/ interview

I'll look back on some and see if i can't find it

Maybe, could see it similar to garrison unlock with marking trees

[deep pawn]

you can craft some furnishings

one example used ironwood lumber

it's why people thought we'd see Northeron.

[clear apex]

I wonder then if it's a herbalism related thing or if anyone can use it similar to cooking/ fishing

I watched a lot of interviews so if i find it, it'll take a while

[zenith arch]

This is the reason why nothing in gaming is cool anymore

Here’s your participation trophy

[lavish raptor]

the irony is that making da sewper pwecius mage tower appearances obtainable during lemix would, in the long term, still make them exclusive / limited edition

im fact lemix is only running for four months which is a smaller gap in time compared to mage tower's original run

[deep pawn]

I want them tied to the current challenge then maybe they'd pay attention to it more haha

[lavish raptor]

i still think its rly funny that people got banned for buying pilot carries when this iteration of mage tower is completely cheesable now due to broken scaling on items

[upper pasture]

Bro, not asking for it to be handed to players just kept in the game for newer players or players that couldn’t do it when it was current, imagine being so butthurt about other people having the same pixels as you 😂

[deep pawn]

there's always been quirks

Like when it first came back people used the nightmare seed pod

[lavish raptor]

maybe i should get tower overwhelming before midnight, but the lack of an actual reward isn't super motivating

[worn crown]

About lumbering, I'm pretty sure that in one of the videos about housing I briefly saw a character chopping wood
I may have seen it on Youtube, Bluesky or Instagram, so it's not like I'm going to search for it now 😄

[upper pasture]

Could have been just an neighborhood NPC doing things tho?

Oh wait I think I found something about it

It seems ironwood lumber was used as a placeholder for legacy crafting stuff for possibly craft profession items? It was it a soul breezy video

The “brill coffin” is what the image says it’s for so who knows which profession it’s actually tied to, possibly like Kyle said just a general housing crafting table?

Possible that they moved away from that too tho who knows, I know I’m gonna feel bad having to go back and farm whatever legacy item for all the profession crafted housing items lol

[clear apex]

I've got a small hoard of money in the bank and have raised some older expac profession plus hoarded mats just in case

[deep pawn]

nah, even recent interviews they said you'd feel good if you had all the old professions levelled and that others may have to go do that if there's an item they want

[upper pasture]

yeah, each profession has stuff to craft from each expansion doesn't mean i want to go back and farm 100s of special new WoD item for crafting housing items

then multiply that by each expansion and profession.

i've already got characters with each profession leveled up already, just hoping to not have to do a hundred classic dungeons/100 tbc dungeons

etc etc

[zealous sedge]

I started some alts on the profession grind of all previous expansions but the thought of it just became so daunting after a little while so I stopped. Especially when I started to realize if I wanted access to all the recipes for housing I would need to level up in the DF and beyond profession system.

I like how the recipes are just utilizing this new lumber resource

But I’m assuming these things will be easily available for purchase on AH and I assume lumber will likely be plentiful so prices shouldn’t be too high?

[deep pawn]

probably

[upper pasture]

It probably won’t tho? It will probably be a new one for each expansion no?

[zealous sedge]

How do you mean? Like a new resource for each expansion?

[upper pasture]

Like ironwood timber for say classic stuff and felwood timber for tbc stuff, we don’t know if it’s one resource for all or one per each expansion

We just know of one new resource

They did say they didn’t want us having to feel like we had to go back and farm old content if we did it in the past previously but if we have to go back and get this timber resource it seems they might have back peddled a little bit then unless we get timber from neighborhood activities or something else

[zealous sedge]

Ohh I totally understand. Yeah I wouldn’t mind some flavor with the resource. They definitely could have back peddled. I wouldn’t be mad at it tho I don’t think it should be completely effortless and I like going back to old zones.

[rain cave]

Pvp weapon enchants as well

And sets

Its INSANE to me that the only shadowflame weapon illusion is time gated elite pvp thing

My dumb ass didn't get it because I assumed it would be the reward for the patch with fyrakk

So didn't do pvp in naralek

And now part of my favourite aesthetic in the game the one that I basically use to represent myself online, is unavailable to me

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOV1rX9qDM&list=RDYnOV1rX9qDM&start_radio=1

an all timer if you ask me

this expansion music has been amazing overall

[pulsar minnow]

I’m so happy that Adam Burgess is doing more stuff for wow lately over Overwatch

The eco dome and ethereal combat music is so well done

[deep pawn]

I do wonder if that means normal raid is 1 major mechanic

[harsh wedge]

I hope not, even though normal should be easy, this tier it was really boring

[deep pawn]

was it? I liked normal this tier

[uncut vault]

Normal was definitely very simple this tier, other than Dimensius

but I think that's a good thing, especially if theyre stubbornly sticking to gating Story Mode/LFR

day one raid is a really enjoyable story experience without being an awful crawl through multiple pugs just to get all the bosses done

[harsh wedge]

Apart from dimensius and maybe salhadaar, all normal bosses were pretty much target dummies without anything happening even first day of season, with one mechanic happening per minute or so. Previous tiers had some (not much, obviously, as it was normal) things to do even in normal during the first week

[glass fulcrum]

Fractillus or however you spell it felt great to fight

Easy to understand, just comes down to execution

[harsh wedge]

It was the worst of them all, mainly because weakauras litterally removes anything from the fight

[glass fulcrum]

For Fractillus?

[harsh wedge]

Indeed

[deep pawn]

to be fair, Blizzard said they were done fighting against WAs with the eventual goal of removing them

[pulsar minnow]

Salhaadar is a really cool fight but he’s so easily destroyed on normal

You can outright ignore the add phase

[harsh wedge]

Yeah salhaadar with dps is a joke but that's to be expected

[upper pasture]

also should mention alot of players had higher than their normal itmlvls going into normal raid than previous tiers thanks for the turbo charged event too

[deep pawn]

not true

There was a bigger ilvl jump this season to accomodate

Blizzard's goal is for max ilvl in the previous season to be where the new season champion track starts.

[harsh wedge]

Yeah that's a given I think, but I still felt that the whole NM raid was a big target dummy compared to previous tiers imo

[deep pawn]

I enjoyed it at least.

My guild managed to wipe to normal Loom'ithar

[upper pasture]

it is true tho, a lot of players sitting at hero 8/8 or myth 8/8 when normally they would be capped out 6 item levels lower than what they would have had

[deep pawn]

It would have been EXACTLY the same if they had been hero 6/6 and myth 6/6

they just would have had a slightly smaller ilvl gap between the seasons

[pulsar minnow]

I really like the way they’re dividing up silvermoon. The horde only area is confirmed to be the original area (Sunstrider Spire etc) while the rest of the city that was either empty or destroyed prior is for both factions

[ember blaze]

had no idea they had a brother

[warm topaz]

it's in the Sylvanas book

idk if they explained it anywhere else in game, i image they do

[clear apex]

im sorry they have a brother??

whatttt

[lavish raptor]

For context he's been dead

For ages

Was murdered by the og horde

[warm topaz]

yeah before Arthas arrived Quel'thalas

he was a musician iirc

he was close with Sylvanas

[sleek solar]

I keep hearing the reason she likes Anduin is because he reminds her of her brother

[deep pawn]

Yes

Lirath was her Little Sun

Anduin is her Little Lion

[clear apex]

Oooh

Also reaffirming 1 per faction

Finding a house is like using group finder
You do use a portal to get there

Endeavors are a month long and act exactly like travel log

At launch they'll have 1000 unique furnishing items

[zealous sedge]

Oh I love the map

[clear apex]

They want to allow for you to let friends decorate your house if you want

Oh and you won't have a new hearth stone. Sounds a lot like you'll possibly look at the map and port outside your front door

*this was from the T&E interview

[zealous sedge]

Oh so we just hit a button on the map and we port to it?

[clear apex]

Things that maybe were/not confirmed was the talent style numbers- letter copy to place rooms. He said "not at this time" but during creator clash someone said yes

[zealous sedge]

I could see this getting really funny

[clear apex]

Sounds like it. Cause they asked about HS and were told no, it works differently. There's also a portal connected to the city

[zealous sedge]

Neat. I can’t wait til 11.2.7

My money is on December

[clear apex]

No confirmation on pets or mounts being placed for now.
And they do want to let you add your warband to wander in the house

He said as much as letting it look like your warband characters are decorating a room

They'll act like an npc

[zealous sedge]

Ohh that would be so dope

[clear apex]

I can see it scaring me a few times into thinking someone is in there

[clear apex]

Best holiday present

Lastly, which they mentioned much earlier in the video.
The exterior housing ui for designing your house (not the yard), is like the barbar shop

You can mix n match stuff that way

[zealous sedge]

I’m guessing outdoor areas of the house will be customizable in the same way as the interior stuff we’ve seen so far

[clear apex]

Seems like it

[zealous sedge]

But the actual exterior facets are the barber shop style

[clear apex]

Each plot is supposed to be desirable but some have larger yards. "Urban" ones are smaller

[zealous sedge]

Ah I see

I really want a house by the river and have the Tauren water wheel

[clear apex]

The lighthouse one by the sea was nice. But i think I'd like some kind of farm so i can build a small forest

[zealous sedge]

Im curious is 11.2.7 ptr will have housing be testing or if the testing will be limited to beta.

Or there may not be any testing of housing at all

[clear apex]

Ion just said as long as you own midnight you can play it in 11.2.7

So IDK seems like beta won't be until early next year?

[zealous sedge]

I would only say they should probably test neighborhoods

[clear apex]

Well we certainly don't need a repeat of garrisons

[zealous sedge]

Idk they said alpha will be in a few weeks I think we can reasonably see beta in November

[clear apex]

People were phasing through the ground

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I think they’ll definitely need to stress test at the very least

[clear apex]

I remember using the flight path and it had like 20 people all stuck on the spot

[deep pawn]

8 week cadence would put 11.2.7 just before Thanksgiving

I do think there's a chance it's one week later after the holiday

[upper pasture]

It’s 11.2.7 lol

10.x.x was DF

[zealous sedge]

Whoops typo you know what I mean

[upper pasture]

11.x.x is TWW lol

[deep pawn]

I still think we're on track for a March 3rd season 1 with the expansion launch 2 weeks before

[upper pasture]

I think march is pretty early considering we were told on or before June 30 no? Haven’t all the other preorders at least been in the month we were “told”? Or atleast the month before?

I could definitely see may or June I think March is way too soon

[deep pawn]

As a reminder, TWW preorders said Dec 31st

[zealous sedge]

Yeah

Especially they confirmed no Season 4

If it was June we would have a season 4

[deep pawn]

January prepatch, February launch, March season 1.

[upper pasture]

12-15 weeks for S3?

[zealous sedge]

season one in March would put season 3 at 29 weeks

Approx

A short s4 would be odd tho

[upper pasture]

Wasn’t S2 like 22 weeks or something

[zealous sedge]

I think so

[upper pasture]

22 weeks from s3 would be jan 6th

maybe idk i suppose it doesn't really matter lol

we DO have a shorter raid renown this season too so maybe lol

[zealous sedge]

I think we will get some sort of Blizzard direct later this year. We’ll get release date, roadmap, classic updates. They probably also need to do some update about Diablo and OW.

Yeah that is true about the renown

Although that might’ve been because people didn’t like the 20 week renown from season 2

[clear apex]

I could see 11.2.7 being last week of November

[dense plover]

i dont see them launching in february

jan/feb are the worst months for businesses

my guess is prepatch late jan/early feb, with launch in march

[deep pawn]

that would match the 8 week cadence, but thanksgiving makes it iffy

[deep pawn]

They can't delay cause there's bigger games coming out in March or April I think.

People already think WoW is nuts for a first half of 26 release.

[dense plover]

this is what people are worried about

[clear apex]

They've launched expansions/pre patches the week of Thanksgiving before

[dense plover]

march gives them perfect lead time to drop 12.1 a week or two before that

maybe 3 weeks

[clear apex]

Cause people whined about holidays interference

[dense plover]

and also people arent going to unsub for regular game releases

mmos dont tend to conflict with games past their initial release, except for other mmos

typically mmos are played alongside these games, not instead of them

[clear apex]

Don't think they need to fear anything with ff14 since they just said less content and 4 month patches

[zealous sedge]

I think if the gamescom revealed anything is that people don’t see wow the same way as they used too. We have a very passionate player base but it definitely isn’t as big as it used to be. A first quarter release while unorthodox will still make sense

[deep pawn]

Regardless, everything seems on track for the 8 week cadence with a 4 week cutout for prepatch

Remix ends just before likely prepatch dates cause the squish will break remix

I think Blizzard is committed to the 18 month expansions so that's why we're getting Midnight in February and then TLT will be August 2027.

February 2029 for 14.0 let's go

[ember blaze]

just need bard out before it's 2070 and im in a retirement home

[deep pawn]

August 2027, 2 years from now

it's still a long time away

Can't bank on any of us surviving that long

[dense plover]

a first quarter release isnt a good business decision, and gamescom told us nothing

how people FEEL does not represent the reality of the situation

wow is doing pretty well right now based on their quarterly reports

im more surprised that classic is still doing so well

[deep pawn]

Its happening regardless. Blizzard is locking most sales in Q4 with housing pre-order anyways

People kept going "Blizzard would never release an expansion in August cause that's when everyone is on vacation"

[dense plover]

to be more specific, i mean during jan/feb

march is fine

[deep pawn]

I just don't see a reason to delay the expansion a month if they have their goal of s2 before Blizzcon

It's gonna be late February at earliest.

Prepatch is likely shortly after remix ends

and prepatches last 4 weeks

[tropic trail]

So if I preordered right I get early access to expansion too? 👀

Like last time lol

[deep pawn]

with epic edition and only 3-4 days

[tropic trail]

Nice

[glass fulcrum]

I had access to TWW Beta, it has a pending update apparently

May not be from today, I don't check my other versions for updates daily

[lavish raptor]

i just noticed that but thats prob the old beta kek

[deep pawn]

WE NEED MORE BLOG POSTS

[zealous sedge]

I feel like it’s mostly radio silence until Alpha begins

That’s kinda how it felt when they announced TWW. We didn’t get that much until like 6 months later when they did their alpha event with creators

[warm topaz]

that was a lot tho, thankfully alpha starts in a month this time

[zealous sedge]

Yeah exactly I think since it’s happening in September I’m ok with some radio silence

I’m little burnt out with current content probably gonna play something else until remix starts

And then rush to finish everything at the tail end of season 3 lol

[ember blaze]

didnt they post all those tree updates before alpha back in DF

[warm topaz]

it's a different context tho

there's nothing that game changer

they did the same with hero talents pre TWW alpha

[deep pawn]

they said there'd be posts before alpha

just like TWW

[zealous sedge]

Ah well

Maybe next week

[warm topaz]

there's one about class design that i'm really excited for

looking forward to that one

[ember blaze]

class changes are

specially when they said they want to fix specs needing 100 weakauras to be playable

that would be a big shift on playstyle

[deep pawn]

Unholy is likely getting another rework

Outlaw might even be a daggers spec

[glass fulcrum]

I really wish they just made daggers and one handed weapons on rogue interchangable at least for transmog

There are dagger exclusive animations, but it isn't like they look weird with one handed swords

One handed axes and maces would look a little silly with mutilate though for example

[clear apex]

stabbing you with a blunt weapon

[glass fulcrum]

But sword/axe/mace to dagger actually looks fine in model viewer, as in outlaw with daggers animation wise looks fine

fist weapons too

[zealous sedge]

I think outlaw rogue should have mid range capabilities with pistols

[austere gazelle]

Its becoming a tradition, like priest. They got rework every patch or season it seems...
Other class get the " you've been reworkd in S2 of DF so no you wont have one ! " ( then the dev proceed on the 15th rework of UH or Priest )

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Boogily_Woogily/status/1960779206281060479

Keith Riley Co (@Boogily_Woogily)

For my own curiosity - in World of Warcraft, would you prefer there to be fewer questlines but of higher polish (voice acting, cutscenes, etc.) or more questlines but of lesser polish (no VO, no cutscenes, etc.)?
Feel free to provide reasons😀

X · Aug 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

there's a poll in the tweet if you wanna answer it

[sleek solar]

wait what? The red dawn questline is different for race/ faction?

[clear apex]

I think df and tww did well with main quests for the leveling and the side quests for the people who want it

[deep pawn]

I personally would prefer better writing regardless

Ff14 has deeper writing at times but at the cost of no VA for those scenes

WoW voices a lot already

To the point where Reznik having no voice was noticeable

[clear apex]

I did like ESO voice acting quests

But also don't mind ones without VA

[ember blaze]

and good quality cinematics

no more red dawn garbage ever again

[deep pawn]

I don't think that was even that bad

[glass fulcrum]

it was pretty bad imo, the cutscene at least

[deep pawn]

The attempt at combat choreography? Cause there's been worse

[ember blaze]

where?

like if ure gonna shove our characters into them, make sure character expressions arent needed

like the lilian one with the spider dude and xal that’s okay

[deep pawn]

Oh I didn't even pay attention to my char

[ember blaze]

i never do either it just looks ridiculous

but then everything else suffers as a result because ur char has to be included

[deep pawn]

We're never gonna be plot relevant so my eyes aren't drawn to it

[ember blaze]

like whats her face and her widen open mouth and funny angry expression

same with faerin

[deep pawn]

That's actually better animation than most?

Like it's cartoonist art style, expressions will be exaggerated

[ember blaze]

no it looked awful

and silly

[deep pawn]

Here I thought people were whining about the slight shakiness of the camera that some of these real time cutscenes get

[ember blaze]

just fully animate it if char expressions are gonna be important

[ember blaze]

and thats also part of it

that looked awful

and it actually made me nauseous irl

like theres room for the low quality stuff

but if its a main campaign story, it needs to look good

idc about my goofy looking char being there

pretend im in the background

[clear apex]

Tbh i think wow is fun with its over the top Saturday morning cartoon over exaggerated expressions.
Like the talking heads.
It's just wow being wow.

I think they added our character into cutscenes bc of the people who went to play ff14

[glass fulcrum]

the (your character) in cinematic special:

• Extremely slowed down slow walk animation
• Extremely slowed down pulling weapon out
• Have you walk into a room then do a combat stance
• Do nothing in said cinematic except be present

[clear apex]

In karesh we actually bumped into someone and even walked in a circle xD

[deep pawn]

It was so fancy haha

It's because our models aren't rigged for expressions like that. Cinematic models are special with extra rigging points in the face.

There's too many playable character faces for that

[glass fulcrum]

Oh I'm not saying we need to have our character have face movements, though I imagine those advanced rigging points are for talking not just default expressions. Not that you'd ever speak in a cinematic

Additionally, you could use camerawork to never show the face to begin with if 100% needed

[clear apex]

Adding characters sounds would be really nice besides default

Eso and ff14 do it

Like 3 voices per race per gender

*only bc there's so many races

[glass fulcrum]

I mean proper speaking, not roars in combat

[rain cave]

I can never understand the people who say final fantasy had a good story

Because to me the whole franchise just runs off of random bullshit go and isn't enjoyed for the little story they do have

Like I just can't take it seriously when kingdom hearts exists, and there's just no world building I know of

[glass fulcrum]

Max level trinkets, rings, or necklaces for alts after hitting 80 on a Timerunner was apparently not intended

Or at least, not at the ilvl they were given.

[austere gazelle]

In that Arathi infamous cinematic, you're even surrounded by low level mob you can tear in two seconds in the previous quest but somehow they manage to stun you and put your in prison

[glass fulcrum]

Yea a lot of the time when the player is captured or incapacitated I just kinda let it be but a lot of the times it makes no sense lol

Obv for like bosses it’s fine

[rain cave]

To be completely fair to that arathi one. I'd like to see anyone try to make a visually not janky fight using only player animations, and one of the characters is using a lance (not an official weapon type, only just added with her) and is missing an arm

If anything I think it's a cut above some of the other similarly styled cutscenes in terms of what it does with what it's given. Even if its biting off more than it can chew

[glass fulcrum]

I mean to be fair 100% of fan videos use the base animations and some of them go crazy

I don’t remember what they do with the lance in the video, but Polearms have their own rigging already

[rain cave]

lances are not polearms though

and yeah those fan animations ARE good, but a lot of them either focus on wide shots or clever camera work. The reason this cinematic looks jank is because the very premise is just something that doesn't exist in WoW's animation library

and repurposing those things to try fit it is what causes the jank in particular this time

I understand they wanted that talking over clashed weapons thing but it would have worked better visually if they'd done something like they keep blocking eachothers strikes IN combat whilst talking to eachother. With some more camera work and sound stuff to convey the idea of them fighting and clashing

or even reframing that specific animation differently would help it tons, like an over the shoulder more medium shot, so you can't see the full jank in a flat sideways wide shot

[pulsar minnow]

Huh so that destructoid interview basically confirms why Beledar was going void - the black blood was seeping into the cavern. We kinda already knew this based on everything else going on but to have the confirmation is nice

[rain cave]

interesting that that confirms it as cthuns blood kinda

I suppose that's visually consistent as well, since cthuns minions were more humanoid like what the nerubians were getting turned into

[austere gazelle]

yeah Sargeras Sword probably pierced a Cthun tumourous stuff and it leaked into the Beledar

[novel zodiac]

Can you guys pls explain to me

why the fuck are these two not the same color?

[lavish raptor]

Why would they

[rain cave]

They're recolours of eachother, that's the point. Wdym

[lavish raptor]

One is a stabbu and the other is a wand. Idk why it replied to you btw

[novel zodiac]

but if 3 of them have the same color why not the first one?

[lavish raptor]

They're both blue? The other wands are more muted shades of the daggers

Unless you mean the gold accent?

Also idk why this matters, I hope you aren't somehow dual wielding a wand and a dagger

[rain cave]

ah ok I see it now

yeah that is kind of silly

[rain cave]

it's moreso that usually cosmetics like weapon sets are released alongisde matching armour. So if the wand or dagger doesn't match the armour set that's silly

[deep pawn]

oh snap, they're culling a bunch of profession levels

no more 3 copies of mats!

[clear apex]

Thank goodness

[dense plover]

well we dont know about that for mats

its specifically for crafting

just no rank 1/2 for crafted things

so gold+ is still a thing

i think they also need to reconsider material ranks though

ff14 got rid of HQ gatherables for a reason

[zealous sedge]

It’s a good step in the right direction but yes they should definitely consider removing mat quality levels

[upper pasture]

Or hear me out, make mats not take up bag space and keep the 1-3 ranks

But that’s weird too cause how would we list them on the AH

[zealous sedge]

Oh that would be great but yeah the AH would prove difficult

[vast musk]

Bottomless reagent bags?

[glass fulcrum]

Heroic World Tier changes coming for remix

[novel zodiac]

Lothraxion?

[deep pawn]

doubt he'd be surprised

[novel zodiac]

i mean, why not?, he's not really faithful to the light

he was infiltrated

[deep pawn]

They haven't said for sure on that

Blizzard massively updated their systems post

[lavish raptor]

no, its clearly illidan

and hes like

"aw fuck"

"sargeras"

[deep pawn]

Also, new class/race combo confirmed

I also don't remember reading about this anywhere

[lavish raptor]

its like that one gay gardener

ABUNDANCEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g2KwRYO_MqY

[zealous sedge]

Would be cool to see profession themed housing items/ cosmetics from this system.

This all sounds neat

[pulsar minnow]

Might be Tyr

He’s pretty out of the loop on things but he does wield the light

And he’s one of the only keepers who actually values the mortal races of Azeroth and the planet itself over the Titan’s designs

[deep pawn]

maybe

[novel zodiac]

Didn't we learned the first one in Revendreth?

there was part of the zone scorched by the light

and with Yrel too

[deep pawn]

Revendreth felt like earned punishment

Haradnar and the Bloom is more like Gorgrond and the Botani

[novel zodiac]

hmm

[upper pasture]

It’s gonna be Kael’thas 😂

More atonement for him

[novel zodiac]

bro

i hope its him

we already know that they can leave the shadowlands

not just brokers

[glass fulcrum]

can't wait for some raid in the future and just Sire Denathrius appears out of nowhere since it was never resolved

[deep pawn]

I still want him to be Shadreen's Master

[rain cave]

My personal bet is when we meet the arathi emperor he will have remornia with him

I was putting together a theory that Xal and the dreadlords are sworn enemies and have been doing spy vs spy behind the scenes for ages