beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

yee

[tulip sun]

We have seen hints at nature stories in the expansion- even possibly a new world tree/revisiting the site of an old world tree

Could lead to sin'dorei druids later on

[clear apex]

I really think of that was it, they'd have done it in DF. They usually say "if it makes sense for the expansion"

[tulip sun]

DF had nothing to do with sindorei

[clear apex]

Why is harandar more acceptable than the emerald dream

Yeah but all races got to go to the dream where there was a massive druid presence

[tulip sun]

It isnt specifically about Harandar.

There was a world tree, and maybe a new world tree based on stuff said, in Quel'thalas (or nearby)

Yknow. Which would be a big pot point for the Sin'dorei personally.

[clear apex]

But we already had big world tree stuff and the emerald dream (where I'm pretty certain druid comes from)

[tulip sun]

And could lead to them becoming more bature oriented via druids

[tulip sun]

A well get ready for more...

Harandar's whole thing is that all world trees' roots go to it. Including whatever is happening in Quel'thalas

[clear apex]

Makes more sense for dracthyr to have it

But it's connected the world over, not just there

[tulip sun]

What the heck are you talking about

[clear apex]

Don't get me wrong, i want more druid race combo. But i think of they were going to, they'd have done it in DF.

Given this expac, I'd see paladin coming to more races first

[tulip sun]

Eh I disagree

They couldve done paladins before too with the tyrs guard and so on

Just cause it couldve happened in the past doesnt mean it cant happen now

[rain cave]

In DF we tackled how the titans ordering of things we know isn't good

That includes the dream

And other life stuff

We're continuing that story with the harranir, what does non-amamthul sanctioned life look like?

Our view of the titans and azeroth is being challenged bit by bit as we approach tlt

That's why the harranir and life stuff are relevant

Also links to the larger elf story going on generally

[autumn dagger]

I wanted nightborne druids 😭

[zealous sedge]

The AI slop needs to fucking end dude

And before you say “oh it’s not AI”:

[rain cave]

That isn't AI.

the feet and hands look like that, she has foot jewellry and longer nails in more realistic art

also posting pics of a digital screen with a digitally zoomed phone cam + perpsective distortion doesn't really give us much to talk about detail wise

screenshots or press kit images are better

also, why would they use AI for imagery of a model they already have and use in the cinematic?

[tropic trail]

Epic

[clear apex]

her belt is wrong in that image though and her face is really weird

[rain cave]

explain

[clear apex]

here's a few reason why i think its AI

the bottom part of her shoulder pads also dont match the art posted

theyre smooth instead of pointy

[rain cave]

I don't understand why you think what you're circling is AI

[clear apex]

cause it doesnt match the art

[rain cave]

it does?

like 1:1 the design is translated pretty reliably

[rain cave]

they are pointy in both

[tropic trail]

Hahaha same lol 😂

[rain cave]

the areas you've circled are the same

lol

[clear apex]

her collar isnt even as large

see

why is her collar so large in that but not the cinematic?

[rain cave]

the differences you're seeing are either proportion differences which happen because stylisation vs realism

or just lighting making metal look different because realistic rendering

[clear apex]

i assume its meant to be her cgi model

[tropic trail]

Doesn’t matter you either adapt or perish 😂

[clear apex]

so ...lighting caused her collar to grow another 6 inches?

[rain cave]

great sarcasm!

[rain cave]

no I mean the other details

make the pointy bits on her shoulder and the circle on her belt look different a bit

butthey're still like the art

just porportioned differently

[rain cave]

probably because they change the design slightly for what they want

they want to give her a collar to look imposing and in charge, but for a closeup they want to show the fire behind her, and her floating hair. Where the collar would get in the way

[sullen dawn]

I want to dance my enemies to death

https://tenor.com/view/menglanpanda-menglan-panda-quẫy-yeah-yeah-gif-696455512915195859

[rain cave]

there are real issues with using AI but calling it out when it's not even the case is just harming the cause

[tropic trail]

They should make it for us - we wait so long

[clear apex]

she's also never had a massive chunky big toe ring and oversized toe, it looks off.

[deep pawn]

So based on interviews.

Alpha info is Very SoonTM

We have blogs going over systems coming soon over the next few weeks

DPS meter is coming with Midnight

and so is boss timers

[rain cave]

ever since her redesign she's had a toe ring

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/5WBYvP

here is her original concept art

and her ingame model

personally, I think the issue people are having with the trailer is that it doesn't feel as antagonistic as some of the other ones we've had. There's less character depth being shown

[deep pawn]

There's no growth or progress

[rain cave]

as maligned as shadowlands was, the cinematic trailer for it is hype inspiring. The war withins trailer was jaw droppingly rendered and had good emotional storytelling

[deep pawn]

it literally doesn othing

[rain cave]

dragonflight as well has emotional stakes and a beginning middle and end

[deep pawn]

Sylvanas showed fake growth in the BfA cinematic for example.

Wrath was an amazing ironic juxtaposition.

[rain cave]

also, the midnight trailer is the first one we've had already knowing what to expect

[deep pawn]

MoP set the theme and showed off the setting

[rain cave]

and our expectations will always be higher in that scenario

[deep pawn]

"What is worth fighting for?" is an EPIC tagline that still gives me chills.

I can't be hyped over nameless paladins

And they had to tell us after the fact that it was the Sunwell that summoned the paladins, not the light itself.

[rain cave]

but yeah usually the trailer either show 2 core characters doing important lore stuff that sets up the expansion, or we get non important lore characters showing off the themes of the expansion

but in this one we had 2 important lore characters just showing off the themes

[autumn dagger]

I think it was p obvious that it was the sunwell and I really liked it personally

[deep pawn]

The features trailer was so much better to me

[autumn dagger]

it shows liadrin's struggles with the light

and lorthemar kicking ass

[rain cave]

it makes sense that the elves can summon human paladins to help imo

[autumn dagger]

or getting his ass kicked

[rain cave]

because that was literally an oathe, this was discussed in TWW but it's old lore

[deep pawn]

Hell they said Xal was surprised? That's not even the impression I got! I thought she was smiling and that summoning the army of the light was her plan! 😄

[rain cave]

in their time of need the elves can call on the human kingdoms or w/e

[autumn dagger]

I mean she unsummoned herself

which is rare for her to do

she just phase jumps around

[rain cave]

tbf being surprised and smiling are not mutually exclusive

[deep pawn]

Unless she's some bored Fae level being who wants to be surprised lol.

[rain cave]

she might have been thinking "Oh? I didn't expect that from them, interesting."

[plain violet]

To my eyes, it was her plan too!

I mean..

[autumn dagger]

also given that the sunwell is powered by light and also the draenei helped restore it and dranei are a big part of the army of light

[plain violet]

The Light intervention is Renilash coming.

And she want Renilash..

[deep pawn]

We lose after the events of Voidspire to some degree

We probably even are too slow in Quel'danas

[rain cave]

personally I could see it as something akin to her thinking "wow things are going to get awkward for alleria really quick around here now that they've summoned those guys"

I'm expecting march on quel'danas to be light themed or something

[deep pawn]

I do agree with all the people saying Blizzard flubbed this announcement big time.

[rain cave]

either that or it's set after voidstorm because while we were there she snuck behind

[deep pawn]

It's the army of the light marching on Quel'danas to stop whatever Xal is doing after Voidspire

It's 2 weeks after Voidspire

[rain cave]

I think doing it at gamescom as just another one of microsoft's announcements was a mistake

I don't blame blizzard for this

I blame microsoft if anything

[deep pawn]

It's not even the Gamescom thing, Gamescom worked fine for Legion

[rain cave]

yeah but they weren't part of microsoft then

[deep pawn]

The issue is they are slow walking the stuff and it's feeling messy

[rain cave]

they chose to come to gamescom

whereas I imagine microsoft went, lets get an announcement going guys!

instead of saving it for blizzcon in a couple months

[deep pawn]

Like no other expansion has made you wait DAYS and parse random interviews to find out basic stuff is coming like dps meters and new talents

[rain cave]

it's because they only had 1 trailer

and then geoff immediately moved on

[deep pawn]

Blizzcons the What's Next panel is literally minutes after the trailer

it's the delay thats the issue

it feels messy

[rain cave]

yes

but also because it's gamescom the whats next panels are also messy that we are getting

[deep pawn]

Apparently there was supposed to be a detailed wowcast after the ONL but that got scrapped for these crappy 30 minute panels.

[rain cave]

we aren't getting our nice lovely powerpoints

specifically we aren't getting them in press kit form

or easily screeenshottable

[deep pawn]

What happened to the original Holly, Ion, Chris sitdown that was recorded?

[rain cave]

90% of the images I've seen have been pics from a crowd POV or the stream's crowd cam

[deep pawn]

We'll probably get an apology in the first blog next week or something

Which week of September are you expecting alpha?

I'm gonna go third

[rain cave]

also all the interviews, I know they're commonplace but the fact that content creators are uploading all their interviews and it's basically the same info every time

[zealous sedge]

Gonna have to agree to disagree lol

[rain cave]

maybe we'll get it same week as my bday on the 29th lol

[deep pawn]

I think it has to be before the 20th cause that'll be 5 months

[rain cave]

I've not seen anything substantial to the claims of it being AI other than people just vaguely gesturing to art style stuff

[deep pawn]

Apparently Xaryu said on a stream that the expansion drops Jan 26th which is just crazy, maybe he means prepatch is that week.

[zealous sedge]

This is not “art style” it’s clearly an AI artifact

It’s clearly disformed

[deep pawn]

that's a moving led screen no?

[lone mantle]

This looks so terrible.

[rain cave]

where?

[deep pawn]

might just be mid frame

[rain cave]

like what artifacting are you talking about?

it's just a grainy phone cam image

[zealous sedge]

It is a moving screen

[rain cave]

and yeah mid frame

[deep pawn]

don't randomly pause animated movies

[zealous sedge]

But all the images of it on other frames look bad

[deep pawn]

The tricks they use haha

[rain cave]

if you pause anymoving thing it looks bad usually

[tropic trail]

Wait it’s legit gamescom picz?

[zealous sedge]

Anyways this is why I said agree to disagree cause there’s no convincing one another. I’m just of the kind that Microsoft spends billions a year on AI and need an ROI. To assume that their subsidiaries aren’t required to use it in some way is naive.

[rain cave]

yeah but there's nothing that proves it's AI

or even points to it

we see in the cinematic that she is a 3d model

so why would they then take the 3d model they have, run an AI over it to not change anything, then use that for promo materials?

ok so seeing that clip in MOTION you can argue much more for it being AI

but posting stills, doesn't help anyone

[dense plover]

interpolation is a thing and it can make midframes look terrible

[rain cave]

because it's obvious they haven't AI generated the reveal cinematic and all the models

but the specific panel thing where they're summarizing the trailer with different angles/presentation, it is very weird

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdX9fd11/

This is the only link I could find for it

if there was any AI here, it would definetly be to do with how they're animated. Not the actual 3D model

[uncut vault]

I think this is the only true issue with the cinematic: I saw more people going "wait who are they?" than being excited for the paladins at the end

[rain cave]

because the way her body/face move, the lighting on her face? They do have that sort of overanimated look you see in some AI image animating stuff, but could also be spline but it would be complex

[uncut vault]

especially if they're supposed to be the Army of the Light, the cinematic doesnt communicate that at ALL

which is weird because they have a generic draenei model from the BfA cinematic to use

it would have been so easy to sprinkle some of those in amidst the humans

[rain cave]

also the way that liadrin just.. poofs out of existence instead of running away could be a coverup for an AI not animating her running very well lol

[rain cave]

I don't think they are the army of the light

I think it's just meant to represent the alliance/humans coming to the elves aid, like their ancient oathe said they would

[uncut vault]

Maria Hamilton explicitly said that they are in the panel

[rain cave]

isn't it also said that it represents us

and just general paladin orders

like it isn't JUST the army of the light

[autumn dagger]

nope, she said it's the army of the light

[uncut vault]

Okay but it is the Army of the Light at least in part, which the cinematic fails to communicate lol

generic human male paladins, popular as they are, do not represent the playerbase, nor do they represent the Army of the Light

so their arrival in the cinematic didnt really hit the big triumphant beat they wanted it to

[autumn dagger]

i think in the sanctum of light screenshots you can see turalyon, arator, blood knights and the silver hand among others

[plain violet]

Yeah that totally, when I watched, all my friends in live were "wait, the arathi?"

Generic silhouettes from all races but "light" could have been great..

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyi6YwiHPo

Sylvanas in Midnight W

[deep pawn]

Oh?

I'm at work now and can't listen

Or do they just mean the Spire

[warm topaz]

Well I don't want to spoil things, so I feel like you will see some Sylvanas at some point here, that seems very likely.

[uncut vault]

They don't specify either way, but they talk about the return of characters beyond the core belf cast in the patch content, such as Thrall, in the same question

So it's likely she'll come back during the patches

[deep pawn]

At least a couple Draenei would have worked for aotl

Also the way the devs speak about it I'm almost positive that Haradnar is in the Emerald Dream

[rain cave]

I think the important thing for this expansion is, will it be a more on theme expansion? Will every patch be a more direct story continuation with just an extra twist thrown on, like DF

or will it be like TWW where each patch is wildly different

they're doing march on quel'danas in the 12.0 patch, and it's a short raid. Does that imply we're just not getting a full on sunwell raid?

[deep pawn]

We're being set up for at least one Light baddie with the Dawnwell and the Dawngrowth

I don't think it's just the unwaking goddess

The Haranir teleport from world tree to world tree which is a lot like the Dreamway

[rain cave]

nah they just get sucked through the roots like pneumatic tubes

[novel zodiac]

"meaby even thrall"

no way he got the token invitation again

will he do something this time?

[glass fulcrum]

Really wished they'd do patchnotes for PTR, versatiltiy just got banished from all gear making everything significantly harder

on legion remix i mean

[ember blaze]

ethereals if they showed up in an expansion cinematic

gotta convey those emotions

[pulsar minnow]

Ethereals really seem to like to explode when they’re in cinematics..

Also no Azshara confirmation is wild

She felt like a given

Could be for a future expac based on sailing to the Arathi lands

[upper ermine]

Might be patch content or The Last Titan

[pulsar minnow]

I doubt it

They said don’t expect any naga anytime soon

Azshara is worthy of her own expansion tbh - that was why they didn’t kill her in 8.2 or 8.3

[upper ermine]

So was Nzoth imo lmao

[zealous sedge]

This is a hot take

But I don’t find Azshara that exciting

[glass fulcrum]

I still love the theory nzoth is completely alive and just chillin and just made you hallucinate killing them when they realised they could lose and is just lying low

and you can't really disprove it because anything saying otherwise could just be a lie they made you see lol

[deep pawn]

I thought she'd be perfect to test Alleria's resolve on that Locus Walker wasn't right how he handled K'aresh

make her face similar choices, how does she respond?

Azshara saving Silvermoon is infinitely more interesting than an amorphus blank army of the light

[obtuse vine]

With how they’ve surprised us with the haranir in midnight I could totally see azshara playing a part in TLT, illidan did have a connection to the naga before in WC3, they could do something with that

[dense plover]

hes in the dagger

its an illidan situation

the fact that the dagger has gone missing only reinforces this

[glass fulcrum]

I mean even that could just be an illusion, nobody really checked

[dense plover]

that would be pretty lame tho

'nothing you did was real' is not a fun trope

especially when the expac wasnt the most popular to begin with

[glass fulcrum]

yea

[rain cave]

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out nzoth is meddling. The void trolls use the black blade as a logo and are performing rituals

Honestly it would be hilarious to see him join us as an ally, maybe he's the one that tries to summon some naga for us

[austere gazelle]

in tne end the naga wont serve nzoth anymore I recon. Azshara is a free agent of the void and will not bow to Xal either

" I'm tired of Intermerdiary and heralds. "

She'll go for the World soul and will do the exchange on it to save it in the end

Btw do we have any spies on the system Downloads panel that'll start soon ?

[deep pawn]

I'll read the wowhead summary when I wake up

It's 30 minutes. We won't learn much until the blog posts in coming weeks

[austere gazelle]

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1yNGabooDglJj

MrGM

Midnight Systems Panel at @gamescom 2025

X

system D xD

in the end we learn nothing more that what we've been told

the prey system will indeed be cosmetic oriented

and its forced 1v1 against elite mob in the world that you hunt, nobody can help you

Oh apparently during the leveling you'll be full story mode and finish into raid to understand the story

[rain cave]

Oh I know they won't serve him, but he could probably summon them

Even if they immediately go "ew no you betrayed our queen"

Alternatively, there could be a naga faction loyal to him somewhat

The reason I think it could line up, is that nzoth is an avenue for playable naga. Since he could evolve them to have legs for a playable form

In TWW it was directly shown that old gods can further evolve their servant races even further. And doing so results in something more humanoid

If you transplant that framing on to naga, you get naga with the anatomy problem solved for player race candidacy

Idk it just seems so convenient that they've played up nzoth and xal in lorewalking, and then showed the old god stuff in TWW.

[sullen dawn]

It gives rewards, on the delve track

Gear i mean

Up to hero gear

[dreamy dove]

It’s the other way around, azshara betrayed him

[dreamy dove]

I don’t think n’zoth himself would evolve them back
Nagas are fanatic devoted to azshara
Plus, when he empowered one of them it gave him 2 more tentacles and an extra set of teeth on the neck

Best guess is that they could work like worgens/drachtyr
azshara is able to shift between her humanoid and naga appearance through the use of illusion magic
She could’ve shared it with her most loyal servants (us)
OR
Since the defeat of n’zoth the mutation weakened, so we could be able to revert the mutation at some point

Biggest plot twist/sh**ty recon would be that we relase n’zoth once again and ask him to help us against Xal LOL

[rain cave]

It's both ways, nzoth knew what she was planning and so betrayed her as well

[rain cave]

I don't mean back, I mean just into a new form

Like how the nerubians became ascended with old god blood and became more humanoid. Could see nzoth letting naga use his corpse to evolve

[dreamy dove]

He was literally defending himself lmao
Was her that planned to use xal to try to kill him
The fact he knew and acted by consequence doesn’t mean he betrayed her

[sleek solar]

Lor'themar looks more polished here lol

[tropic trail]

Damn nice

[novel zodiac]

will they upload the panel to youtube like they did with the developer one?

[warm topaz]

yeah later today

[harsh mason]

Okay, where are Morgan Day or Terran Gregory?

[warm topaz]

Morgan probably in his house, there are 3 Associate Game Directors and Paul Kubit it's the Game Director for Midnight so it makes sense he went to Gamescom

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u8ZuKrfvBE

[clear apex]

Is this the pangolin form haranir druids are supposed to get?

Cause that's a pangolin

[harsh mason]

Yea

[clear apex]

Wtf they took the video down

I was watching it then ... it's gone

[sleek solar]

They put the vid to private wtf

[sleek solar]

Same!!

I was at the Exiles reach part

[clear apex]

Wonder if they had an oopsie in there

[terse siren]

Same, was suddenly booted out

[clear apex]

Have they talked at all about how housing works with cross realm guilds?

[novel zodiac]

shouldnt matter, right?, you can even create your own neighborhood and invite people

[zealous sedge]

Alpha 3rd week of September calling it now

Maniphesting access

[clear apex]

and video still down

tf blizz

[ember blaze]

worst expansion reveal in history

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t know why they wouldn’t just livestream these panels

[clear apex]

does seem odd, maybe its partly due to time differences?

most their audience for NA would be asleep since these panels were at like 5am EST

[pulsar minnow]

Good point- that’s probably the reason actually

[ember blaze]

maybe gamescom held them at gunpoint not to

[rain cave]

I blame Microsoft

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t say “worst” but it’s not the “best” for sure

[ember blaze]

which one was worse

[warm topaz]

it's definitly the worst

DF was 100 times beter than this and it was a single video

[clear apex]

whoa, 2 hours for TWW if you want it

'catch up" mode

11.2.7

[upper pasture]

DF was pretty peak

As I’ve said before as a TBC baby revisiting these zones is great for nostalgia so I couldn’t be more excited to see all this

[deep pawn]

meh, I'm being whiny but the stat squish is too big to me

We're going to be level 100 fighting titans soon

only upside is they have to turn on legacy scaling for DF raids

[clear apex]

so much nicer

and you can purchse new outfit slots

whats racial form???

drac and worgen form getting mog finally?

[warm topaz]

i meant the reveal

[upper pasture]

yes, i agree

[warm topaz]

not the expansion, the expansion looks great to me

[pulsar minnow]

If this is what that means this is officially the best expansion ever to exist in my book

I’m so sick and tired of my visage mog ruining my drac form

[deep pawn]

heck yeah

don't have to have them match

[sullen dawn]

It means your mog changes if you go in and out of worgen form for e.g.

[deep pawn]

it's a great change

[pulsar minnow]

It also allows the devs to be creative again when it comes to Evoker gear

Doesn’t have to be the same color schemes every time to match the drac forms

So maybe more stuff like the Deathwing set from the first patch

Now I just pray they allow us to customize whether or not our visage or Dracthyr form shows up on the campsite

[clear apex]

yes, which is what i implied by asking that
but so far drac cannot mog, so this may only apply to worgen

[clear apex]

i want that so bad, i dont play in drac form really, i just really like the visage

[deep pawn]

they haven't matched drak forms once

[sullen dawn]

They can mog a few slots

So this does help a bit

Where those slots looked dumb in drac form but good in visage

[pulsar minnow]

Some of them have. The 11.2 and 10.1 sets matched up pretty close

[rain cave]

glad they're doing the drac form thing since the main issue was that I'd rather 0 transmog in dracthyr form than just the shoulders, belt and tabard lmao

[deep pawn]

I mean I like my evoker mog but I'm weird

[pulsar minnow]

This is the best I’ve been able to put together

[deep pawn]

yeah, those blues don't mix to me

[pulsar minnow]

You are right but they’re close enough that I just don’t notice em

[sullen dawn]

Player house "hearthstone"

The homestone

[deep pawn]

that's been known for years

it was initially revealed with the homestone

[sullen dawn]

The icon was

This is an item thats just been seen

Teleports you to ph

[pulsar minnow]

The homestone almost looks like it’d be one of those things they attach to the map no?

Or they’ll make a new tab for it next to dungeon finder etc..

[sullen dawn]

Its a hearthstone in your inventory

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but it just doesn’t look like other icons is all

[clear apex]

lets pray that our homestone doesnt have a cd

[deep pawn]

I use trading post shoulders and tabard

[clear apex]

oh i kinda like that

[sullen dawn]

Would be a little dumb

[rain cave]

I can like it, but it just needs to be catered for

[clear apex]

tbh i dont like the shoulders and stuff so my drac just has one of the racial long belts

groin cover

[pulsar minnow]

I will be stealing that tabard and chest piece combo btw

Love the look

[deep pawn]

be my guest

[rain cave]

I'd find it funny if we got different flavours of homestone themed to neighbourhoods

[deep pawn]

I haven't tried it with other tabards, I've literally been this since Fyrakk I think.

[pulsar minnow]

That’s what I want more than anything. All belts look really small on drac or waaayyy too big

I just wanna be able to hide the belt so I can use the sash

[rain cave]

specifically I have a craving for pulling out something like a magic bag or case, openingn it and going down some stairs into it and then the entire neighbourhood is just in a pocket dimension like that

even if it's just a flavour animation

[clear apex]

love that

my fav hearthstone is my actual hearthstone board one

..what if tiny house on the ground that sucks you into it

[rain cave]

snowglobe

[zealous sedge]

Do you think we’ll get a portal in our home

Like just one

To the capital city portal room or something

[rain cave]

let me add to this with a gif

https://tenor.com/view/howls-moving-castle-gif-23128574

[zealous sedge]

Ohhh that would be so cool haha

Atleast give me a decor item even if it doesn’t work that way

[deep pawn]

there'll hopefully be neighborhood portals

actually, neighborhoods are supposed to be right next to the capitals

[ember blaze]

yeah but are they doing anything to clean up selecting options. Like 40 pages is too much cause you got one single item taking up 5 slots

[deep pawn]

I think they're working on keyword sorting

[clear apex]

It feels like they'll be something you phase into maybe?

Like garrison

[sullen dawn]

I just want working mole machines in house

That let you move between rooms

Because then I can simulate an underground house

[clear apex]

i saw someone in comments asking if theyd add paint/skybox to rooms so we can maybe simulate being outside and i hope they do

cause while having plants indoors is nice, i would like to have a proper conservatory that can look 'outside'

[deep pawn]

Between glass, paint and light I'm sure you can to a degree

You can place things anywhere

Rotate and resize

[ember blaze]

https://x.com/Psybear_tv/status/1959284107201941560

Psy ➡️ Gamescom (@Psybear_tv)

All housing decor will be account bound. Your house is warbound so all characters can enter regardless of faction.

Public neighbourhoods: faction locked
Private: cross faction but locked to SW or ORG.

Reached via a portal, large flyable locations.

X · Aug 23, 2025, 3:58 PM

very confused about this

if my house is warbound, and im in a public neighborhood, will i just be prevented from going outside if im the wrong faction or what? 🤔

[zealous sedge]

That is confusing

But you get 2 houses right? People have been saying that

[ember blaze]

no idea

[zealous sedge]

1 for horse 1 for alliance

I guess we just need to play it

In order for it to make sense

[ember blaze]

all i know is ure supposed to be able to buy any house u want

but u just first need the correct faction char to buy

[zealous sedge]

I feel like they would’ve saved themselves the headache by just making all housing factionless

[ember blaze]

i guess you just wont be able to go outside

[zealous sedge]

I guess that’s how it will work

[ember blaze]

but

cant u choose the theme of the outside?

tho i guess thats where the faction lock comes in

[clear apex]

I think what they originally said was "alliance toon needs to buy alliance home, but your horde character can use it"

[ember blaze]

just dont open your door

[zealous sedge]

I think by faction locked it just means that neighborhood is alliance or horde

I think the terminology is just poorly used

Like yes the character who buys a plot in a public neighborhood will determine which neighborhood you can choose

[ember blaze]

man i really dont wanna have to buy a faction change for my evoker

[zealous sedge]

Private neighborhoods: the person who sets it up will ultimately decide if it’s horde or alliance

[clear apex]

yeah cause this is contradictory.

warbound and all can enter but also faction locked

??

[zealous sedge]

Yes very confusing

We just need to see this stuff in practice

The faction locking terminology should be reworked

[ember blaze]

maybe the actual answer was more clear

but imagine actually being able to see this fucking thing being streamed

[clear apex]

i also still have not seen it answered/asked how cross realm guild stuff works either. but i guess youll portal in and it just works

[zealous sedge]

It’s just whatever your main character who buys the property allows you to do

[clear apex]

would also like them showing how outside decor is and how large our plot is

[zealous sedge]

Yes 100%

[clear apex]

I played a ton of ESO and didnt matter which character you were on, it was account based and allowed you to just play as the main owner

sounds similar here

[deep pawn]

Did they change their mind? Originally they said you could have one house per faction

Yeah, back in May it was one house per faction

[warm topaz]

isn't that the case still?

you can have one house per faction

[rustic cliff]

so, if i have a house in my guild community on one faction, will my other characters on the same faction be in the same guild community, even if my alts are in a different guild?

[deep pawn]

You can have two houses, one per faction

[sullen dawn]

Hopefully more when more neighbourhoods get added

The hope is its one per neighbourhood rather than faction. At launch that wont make a difference but will when we get more

[clear apex]

I totally think in the future they'll add more neighborhoods.
Silvermoon would be perfect. So would future "new shattrath"

Gilneas. Rebuilt lordaeron

[zealous sedge]

Beating back the void in midnight would be a perfect reason to make Quel’Thalas a new neighborhood.

Unless we lose and it gets destroyed

[deep pawn]

I personally think they need to at least create one pair of exteriors per major patch til all current races are represented

They can't have another Heritage armor situation where Pandaren are still waiting this far along.

[rain cave]

See shattrath would be excellent if they're redoing the draenei stuff also. We already have belf revamped. It would be very cool if kadghar, realising that outland is crumbling and without a dalaran, started an effort to bring shattrath to azeroth

Honestly we could see that this expansion since shattrath is pretty light focused with its naaru

[glass fulcrum]

I’m glad it was clarified to 2/3 the city and not 1/10th lol

[sullen dawn]

Belf and nelf ones are defo coming in MID. I was saying more I hope we get a new house SLOT every time a new neighbourhood is introduced

Rather than just 2 total for ever

[sullen dawn]

House exteriors or neighbourhoods? House exteriors seems feasible. Neighbourhoods i think we'll be lucky to get more than 2 more in MID (belf and nelf)

[rain cave]

this is false and you know it though 😭

turalyon already visits silvermoon, alleria as well

not to mention all factions already can visit the sunwell ingame, which is where the cinematic is

silvermoon is the city.

and it makes perfect sense that the horde would reserve an area of silvermoon specifically for itself, so alliance members can't enter without a diplomatic escort or precedence

[austere gazelle]

This is still bullshit. Anyone should be able to enter with a " you're being watched " debuff

They can remove it next expack

No issue at all

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

so if your city was being invaded, soldiers from another country should be able to walk into your center of governance and homes?

the reason they're doing it this way is because silvermoon first and foremost is a horde city. It already IS more neutral than other ones because of its relation to the high elves in the alliance, their pilgrimage to the sunwell policy, their proximity to the alliance seat of power, etc

people are freaking out at this, but nobody complains about orgrimmar not being a city alliance can walk into and vice versa for stormwind

because Silvermoon being revamped for this expansion is not just to make it a hub for us to be in, it's to give blood elves an actually revamped city

I'm sure we'll still have all the things we need, I'm sure there'll even be some more alliance themed area like an emissary camp. But it is a horde city.

This kind of assymetric storytelling is when WoW is at its best usually, if they have to worry about everything being 100% equal, then both the story and mechanics of everything get predictable. A bit of imbalance is what makes things interesting

and also good lord to horde need a bone thrown to them anyway

3 warchiefs down in a venn diagram of died and/or evil, Orgrimmar being a raid technically means "anyone could go to orgrimmar" in a way, their leadership story has been fairly meek since BfA. Alleria is potentially going to be the ranger general and she's Alliance, Vereesa will play a role and she's alliance, same with Arator and Turalyon. The people saving the elves in the trailer are Alliance. The Haranir (whilst I love them) are basically beautified trolls that both factions will get. Alliance is getting one more DH race in void elves, Umbric is getting a new model, etc

so god forbid the horde get a portion of their own damn city to be in 😭

[plain violet]

Remind me of...

I understand both sides, but I lean toward "let the horde get a portion of their own city be their own"...

[rain cave]

same

it'll largely depend on what we get neutral, and how it's done

like if I have to port back to stormwind to get an auction house and a transmog, screw that!

[plain violet]

I think we will all have our commodities!

[deep pawn]

nah, Blizzard has given up on using org and SW for AH

[rain cave]

yeah, I expect them to be there lmao

just curious if they're going to go the route of "here's an alliance base camp" and that's where the ally stuff is, or if silvermoon will have those things and alliance can access those areas of silvermoon

just wondering where the literal line will be drawn, if it'll just be the palace or whatever, or if a large portion of the city is horde only

[austere gazelle]

God forbid silvermoon being full neutral for one xpack, everyone is losing their mind.
Horde always let alliance in their city when they fucked up and have no resort lol.

[little hound]

City whining is still the topic in here? Damn

[thin warren]

only 1/3d will be Horde only, has been confirmed

[clear apex]

Yup Maria clarified on stage but it was posted via Twitter

It's like dalaran but 2/3 shared

[pulsar minnow]

Call me crazy but I don't think its unreasonable for a horde city to have horde only sections

[clear apex]

It's not, but after 2 alliance cities having no strict alliance areas, horde can share some

[pulsar minnow]

yeah and thats fine- most of the city is shared anyways

[zealous sedge]

God I’m so excited for Silvermoon

[clear apex]

And they want players (which alliance and horde seem pretty 50/50) to experience their remade zone

[pulsar minnow]

it might be the most beautiful city they've ever made tbh

[zealous sedge]

And we haven’t even played it yet

I’m really hoping for alpha access but it’s a long shot ik

[pulsar minnow]

It genuinely blows my mind how well they were able to not only make it feel like old silvermoon but also a completely new place

[clear apex]

This is just the opposite though.

Horde: let us into the barely a village (belameth) we helped you get... after we caused the problem of burning down your first home.

Let us into gilneas after we took it over and left it to scarlet crusade, a problem we caused.

Oh no alliance gets to come into silvermoon when a cosmic force is trying to take over the world

[zenith arch]

If you wanna experience all of it you should be horde. They need to have those forms of faction because the only thing in game really showing your faction at this point is race/ armor colors from PvP. Quit complaining ally get the new Class/Spec combo.

Deal w it

[clear apex]

Maria clarified after the fact

[pulsar minnow]

lets be real Bel'ameth and GIlneas aren't much of player hubs or real locations even now

Silvermoon is a very iconic horde city

[clear apex]

No they're not and we complained they would be empty

Why did we bother with them really

[zealous sedge]

Mostly story

[zenith arch]

Alliance clinging to strings because their story’s been poop

[clear apex]

Here's the elf main city, that horde has access to, but it's also out the way and nothing here

[zenith arch]

Ain’t even a city

It’s a hub

[clear apex]

Aware

[zealous sedge]

Wut

[zenith arch]

If it were a city there’d be more instead it’s a mini zone

[zealous sedge]

I mean it can be both but that’s just semantics at this point

[zenith arch]

Sorry your world tree couldn’t be inhabited so quickly the Xpac after DF

Like story’s been so ally focused with Nelfs and Alleria and Anduin

Where was thrall in a pre rendered game cinematic?

How many horde chars had a cinematic in tww

[clear apex]

I don't think anyone is complaining on horde focus?

[zenith arch]

No but this is going to be a horde focused Xpac

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t be so sure

[clear apex]

Also, aside from anduin and Jaina, the expac was in neutral territory. Kaz algar is not alliance

[zenith arch]

More ally than horde in every zone tbh 👀

[clear apex]

Arathi are very pro high elf (which are mostly now blood elf)

[zenith arch]

And the people coming out of the sunwell ain’t alliance or horde

They’re the army of the light

[clear apex]

The first part is very much, yes

We've no idea what's after these 4 zones

[zenith arch]

The light fanaticism

[clear apex]

They added siren isle, undermined and karesh later.

[zenith arch]

Either .1 or .2 will be us against both

[upper pasture]

Sure it’s happening in “horde” zones but it’s about the unification of “all elf tribes” so while I think it will be “horde leaning” it’s not gonna be all horde all day long

[zenith arch]

Where the naga again?

They said no

So possibility of nelfs?

50%

[pulsar minnow]

we already know the nelves will be there

[zenith arch]

Where?

[pulsar minnow]

In the panels

[zenith arch]

I didn’t see em in any promo

[pulsar minnow]

They talked about the 4 elf factions being in silvermoon

[upper pasture]

John blizzard himself said midnight is about the unification of all elf tribes

[pulsar minnow]

This is a Light Vs Void Expansion taking place in a Horde Location where a lot of Horde characters are present

This is not a Horde Expansion

[zenith arch]

More horde focused than the last

[pulsar minnow]

well duh

But we still have characters like Turalyon, Alleria, and Arator being major focuses

[upper pasture]

And our delve NPC is also alliance too

[zenith arch]

Awwwww

[clear apex]

Lmao

[zenith arch]

And yet you all still want all of a horde city to explore

[upper pasture]

It’s just an expansion that’s taking place in previously horde zones

[zenith arch]

Not previously

Check the logos

In the floors

On the walls

It’s still horde

Will be horde

[pulsar minnow]

Tbh I really just hate the cherry picking from both sides. I definitely agree characters like Thrall were kind of shafted in terms of story but at the same time this constant battle for things to be "fair" is really not good for the game

[zenith arch]

Needs Imbalance or there’s no uniqueness

[upper pasture]

Yes before midnight alliance had no reason to come here other than the raid/dungeon now it will be questing locations for both factions

[zenith arch]

Ok

And that entitles the whole city?

Like what?

[pulsar minnow]

Literally nobody is arguing the alliance should get free reign of the whole city

[zenith arch]

Bruh wut

U ain’t reading

[upper pasture]

Im not even sure what he’s going on about

[zenith arch]

This whole channel was crying abt silvermoon not being accessible to everyone

[clear apex]

He's mad alliance aren't shoved into the tiniest street in the city

[pulsar minnow]

maybe like one person

[clear apex]

https://fxtwitter.com/Portergauge/status/1959350172313694449

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Maria Hamilton clarified her statements on the faction division in Silvermoon in Midnight, stating that only 1/3rd of the city will be Horde-only, and the other 2/3rds will be available to both factions.

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There, so there's less argument over if she said that or not

[zenith arch]

And that I’m ok with

Still 1/3 less of Ally scum

[pulsar minnow]

my guess is they're probably saving Sunfury Spire for Horde only

[clear apex]

People had issues with "major hub city of an expac but you only get to see a tiny part of the massive city" and i know horde would be crying over it if it were flipped

[zenith arch]

I would be

Because Ally don’t deserve it XD

It’s horde

Not neutral

[pulsar minnow]

especially since its such a beautiful city

also- lets be real a lot of "void elf" players are roleplaying as high elves

[clear apex]

Pretty much all i see

[upper pasture]

It’s about unification of the elves, I wouldn’t be surprised if alliance are on thin ice in SM then after story the horde is like okay we will share more of SM with you right now

[zenith arch]

If I remember correctly

Didn’t Jaina slaughter Elves in Dalaran

[pulsar minnow]

I'd like to see the Void, High, and Blood Elves come together again

[clear apex]

They've already patched things up since

[upper pasture]

At this point faction lines mean less and less, who honestly cares if alliance and horde mingle in cities.

[clear apex]

Dal 2.0 had horde in dalaran again

[zenith arch]

You want wow dead at that point

[upper pasture]

Sure man

[zenith arch]

No factions is anti WoW

Like

[clear apex]

Uhm no?

[zenith arch]

Removing that barrier

[upper pasture]

Fake faction lines were destroying wow

[zenith arch]

And saying ohhhh I’m a humie in org

[clear apex]

It's about war

[zenith arch]

Such a weird statement

[upper pasture]

Keep playing base apart was literally killing the game

[clear apex]

Well i can't wait to see humans outside org in the neighborhood

[pulsar minnow]

in this shot we can see the sanctum of the light in the direct center of the city past the front gates where the dead scar used to be - which is our hub for the expansion

[clear apex]

And night elves and draenei

[pulsar minnow]

So im gonna guess one side to the left or right is just cut off from ally

[zenith arch]

You can’t be Ally in horde camps lol

That’s why you have one of each home

[upper pasture]

Yes you can 😂

[clear apex]

Also why did people think blue roofs on some buildings were alliance in eversong? Just high elf stuff

[zenith arch]

Pics and links for proof or false

[upper pasture]

Your horde characters can use your alliance home and vice versa

You Google it

[clear apex]

You only need a horde to buy the house

Then it's account bound

IDK where you've been but the news has been coming out ALL YEAR

[zenith arch]

This is why WoW is no longer as good as it used to be smh 🤦 what made this game good was Being prideful in your faction and having those boundaries now the erosion is just too clear

[upper pasture]

Sure thing bud

[clear apex]

Oh nooo

[upper pasture]

I can be prideful of my faction AND play with the other faction

[clear apex]

I can't be a jerk to real people

[upper pasture]

Crazy that you think you can’t

[clear apex]

I play both sides

[pulsar minnow]

The Horde and Alliance divide is still there. Hence why we're even having the conversation of silvermoon being partially locked off from alliance

But it was killing guilds when people were forced to play horde because all their friends were

[zenith arch]

And what’s so wrong about your ally characters and horde characters being seperate experiences?

[clear apex]

Most mmos that have a strict pvp/ faction divide die

[zenith arch]

Ah yes this is why Classic WoW does so well

[upper pasture]

Because it automatically forces you into playing a faction/race you don’t want to or reroll

[clear apex]

Most mmos*

[upper pasture]

How hard is that to understand?

[pulsar minnow]

If its not evidence enough, seeing the Alliance win the Delve race shows that the faction divide is back stronger than ever- since alliance was considered dying for a while throughout legion to SL

[clear apex]

Feel like I'm talking to a teenager

[zenith arch]

I feel like I’m talking to people who want everything in a game to be accessible when it shouldn’t

Why have Blue V Red if it’s all going to be the same at the end of the day

[pulsar minnow]

we've all said repeatedly that we don't think that though. None of us are advocating for Silvermoon to be completely accessible. We basically all think the 2/3rds thing is good

[zenith arch]

Just remove the horde and alliance alltogether

Just call them races of Azeroth

[upper pasture]

I don’t want everything but I do want decades old “fake” barriers lifted to have the player pool to be better

[zenith arch]

They have been

[upper pasture]

Which we’ve seen blizzard doing for 2.5 expansions

And you seems to hate it

[zenith arch]

What more needs to be removed

Everything is alrdy cross faction

[upper pasture]

Yes, and it seems if it was up to you it wouldn’t be.

[zenith arch]

Everything open world

Shouldn’t

Like cities

[upper pasture]

Sharing part of a city in a world facing extinction isn’t a uncommon trope

[clear apex]

As an aside, wish they'd implement something like trp3 to the game since they're doing dps meters and dbm

[zenith arch]

Hubs

[glass fulcrum]

The real faction divide:
trade chat being faction locked lol

[ember blaze]

this sucks when u want someone crafting something lol

[zenith arch]

Doesn’t mean it’s a good trope 😂

[ember blaze]

idk, having a faction divide on a multiplayer game is weird

[clear apex]

Where have you been the last 20 years then

[zenith arch]

If it were old wow silvermoon would still be locked to ally

[clear apex]

Should be

[ember blaze]

and then you have trouble focusing on certain characters that are of a specific faction, and the ohter side wondering why x got ignored

like we're following alleria and what not, but then u focus on the fact that she's alliance

still exploring anduin

[clear apex]

Would make it nicer to not have to play 2 characters to see both sides of the story

Where tf did he go after he talked to thrall??

[ember blaze]

it's really hard to fit in everyone and wow got a shit ton of characters that can be relvant

[upper pasture]

Not true, in WoWs history it’s never been alliance controlled . The alliance had it before the events in WoW

[pulsar minnow]

anduin wasn't mentioned at all in the panels was he?

[clear apex]

Nope

He talked to thrall after we stopped some stuff and then poof

[pulsar minnow]

I guess they're saving him for Last Titan which is weird

[ember blaze]

anduin getting ignored till tlt

[zenith arch]

In Burning crusade were you able to run into SM as a humie?

[upper pasture]

No?

[zealous sedge]

I feel like Anduin has to be somewhere in Midnight

[pulsar minnow]

He was all over the marketing and then they just threw him to the wayside.

[ember blaze]

although, maybe we see anduin in a later patch of midnight

[zealous sedge]

I mean it’s light vs void

[ember blaze]

when he fully goes back to channeling the light

[zenith arch]

Cool that’s old wow not book lore

[clear apex]

You can go to eversong as alliance but blood elves will kill you

[upper pasture]

No, that’s Warcraft, SM has always been horde in WoW

[zenith arch]

In game homie

Yall forget what made WoW WoW

[upper pasture]

Yes, In game it’s always been horde controlled

[pulsar minnow]

My guess is Turalyon dies in Midnight, Alleria loses her shit and disregards everything to just hunt down and kill Xal'atath by any means necessary.... fast forward a bit Anduin returns to lead the Alliance in the last titan in Turalyon's absence

[clear apex]

Well wow by and large has been "team up with the faction to kill big bad "

[zenith arch]

Before I give a retort did the decannonize they Chronicles?

Because while we may have teamed up

[clear apex]

Tbc? Go kill illidan.
Cata? Go kill deathwing.
Wrath? Go kill arthas
Mop? Go kill garrosh
Legion? Kill legion and guldan

[zenith arch]

I remember reading specific factions killing specific bosses

Up to wrath I believe

[clear apex]

Bfa? For once was ally v horde, but then kinda not

[zenith arch]

OMG THIS IS PERFECT

[clear apex]

I don't read the books

[zenith arch]

smh

Ok so

bFA

BoDA

Prefect way

[clear apex]

After bfa?
Sl, go kill jailer

[zenith arch]

To let Ally in a city

That’s how you let them explore a city

[clear apex]

Df? Second very neutral hub and teaming up with factions

Tww, teaming up in neutral city

Mid? Teaming up again in semi neutral city

[zenith arch]

Everywhere you just talked about is neutral

Before we got there

[clear apex]

Yeah cause they're moving away from strict horde v alliance

[zenith arch]

Silvermoon ain’t

[clear apex]

*semi neutral

[zenith arch]

You can’t

Otherwise just remove red and blue

[clear apex]

We can and we have been

[zenith arch]

And then WoWs just meh

Cater to too many people and that’s where you get fuck ups like BfA

[pulsar minnow]

fyi High Elves do live in Silvermoon

[zenith arch]

FYI high elves almost ded or non existent

They’re either belfs or velfs bb

High elves were pre-tbc

[clear apex]

? They still exist and I've seen them in Dorn even

"High elf mage"

[pulsar minnow]

Silver Covenant too

[clear apex]

They're walking in stormwind too

[zenith arch]

U mean belfs or Velfs with the eye reversion from green?

[clear apex]

Blue eyes

I mean they replaced the helf model with the new blood elf one

But they're "high elf" and "silver covenant"

Do you... play the game?

Or just rush to end game

[zenith arch]

I do XD

That’s why I hate factions coming together

I’d rather have 2 different experiences for the price of $15 than 1

[clear apex]

Make alts?

[zenith arch]

1 ally 1 horde

[clear apex]

I get 6 experience or more

[zenith arch]

And guess what

They are the exact same

😑

Aside from side Qs that give heratige

[clear apex]

Then go play new world or try out ashes of creation

Guild wars 2 even

[zenith arch]

No factions = dead wow 🤣

[pulsar minnow]

personally I don't want separate cities every expansion- last time they did that we got Dazar'alor which was one of the worst designed cities I have ever had the displeasure of using as a hub for 2 years lmao

[clear apex]

Totally dead

[zenith arch]

I mean

[clear apex]

hated that city

[zenith arch]

Epoch is about to rival retail in numbers

[clear apex]

Ok cool story

[zenith arch]

Like 🤣

Every complaint on story

Is how WoW has deviated from WoW

Because people want less faction

[pulsar minnow]

I love the look of the city- Zandalar is amazing... but wow

[clear apex]

IDK i don't go on reddit or Twitter

[pulsar minnow]

using a flight point every time i wanted to anything? not fun

[clear apex]

Mhm

[pulsar minnow]

but then they did SL and... did the same thing but 10 times worse

[clear apex]

Trying to even use skyriding isn't great since it's so vertical to get over

[zenith arch]

👀

Yall wild

[clear apex]

The divided areas was bad and honestly the flight stuff made me wanna puke

The swirly stuff

[pulsar minnow]

it was a cool idea. I wish they'd leverage it for skyriding

I think flying through some sort of tube like that to get to voidstorm would be awesome

or through roots to harandar

def worried they're going to make them just portals

[clear apex]

The karesh flying makes me wish that's what SL could have been (except I'm not going back there)

[zenith arch]

Bring real factions back kick out Ally from horde zones kick out horde from ally zones gg we’re back to the World of Warcraft.

[upper pasture]

Yes the “private server” is gonna surpass the OG. Lol I thought you loved wow yet here you are supporting something in direct conflict with it

[zenith arch]

I love wow enough to see when it deviates and makes stupid mistakes to cater to an audience who doesn’t remember what made it what it is.

[upper pasture]

Sure thing dude

[zenith arch]

What game was on the verge of dying again?

Ah yes

WoW

What saved it?

Classic

What made classic amazing?

[upper pasture]

…right

[zenith arch]

Go look at the charts 🤣

Blizz said it themselves

What’s left from classic to be brought back in a way aside from talent trees?

[upper pasture]

WoW has never been healthier since SLs

[zenith arch]

🤣

[pulsar minnow]

DF saved the game for sure

[zenith arch]

DF was bad man im sorry

[pulsar minnow]

skyriding, talent trees, crafting, etc?

[zenith arch]

Story wise*

[glass fulcrum]

Wish granted i will fly into the 1/3 of silver moon that’s horde and get PvP flagged and kill the city guards since they always are under tuned

[zenith arch]

Mb

[zenith arch]

This

So a whole horde gang can jump you in city

Where Ally ain’t supposed to be

[upper pasture]

The “it’s not what I like so it must be dying” head cannon is strong with this one

[zenith arch]

Brother why do you think wow fell off in the first place

Story was trash and so were the systems

[glass fulcrum]

The systems that
Got reworked
The story that
Changes

[zenith arch]

Change doesn’t mean good change

[upper pasture]

Sorry it’s not RvB

[zenith arch]

What was good in DF story?

Cause I know that end cinematic for it wasn’t good

[glass fulcrum]

Dragonflight had some pretty good plot points but yes the raid cinematic were kinda erm

[upper pasture]

That story brought us to TWW and set up probably the most interesting villains we’ve had to date

[zenith arch]

Legion did that

DF added iridikron

Legion added cal

Xal

[upper pasture]

Oh I didn’t know Iridikron was in Legion

[zenith arch]

I didn’t say that XD

The main focus rn is a char added in legion

[glass fulcrum]

They mean Xal

[zenith arch]

Oh and wait

[upper pasture]

And yes BfA started the Xal stuff but DF brought her back, in legion she was just a “thing” stuck in a dagger

[zenith arch]

XAL WAS BUILT UP IN BFA

Wild

[upper pasture]

For a single class

[zenith arch]

DF was filled

Filler*

Let’s go get dragons ready for Endgame

[upper pasture]

Yes it’s almost as if, story development exists

[zenith arch]

Basically it

The story of love and friendship in Warcraft

God wow

Such good

[upper pasture]

Well, have a nice day

[glass fulcrum]

Dragonflight also brought fleshed out great vault, trading post, return of proper tier sets, upgrading gear improvements

[zenith arch]

And yet still mid

[glass fulcrum]

Ok, my point was the story may not be your favorite but there was a lot nice added

[zenith arch]

It was cool for sure

[pulsar minnow]

beyond story DF was an A tier expansion

[zenith arch]

Like a lot of good things

[lavish raptor]

hows mop blassic doing

[zenith arch]

But beyond that

Still a B Tier

Look at legion

[glass fulcrum]

That’s fine

[zenith arch]

And what it had

Now it might have been a different time and Philosophy BUT

[pulsar minnow]

Legion is my favorite expansion ever but it had some pretty big issues

[zenith arch]

Unanimously good story

[glass fulcrum]

Uh

M+ (no vault or deterministic loot)
World quests
Paragon chests 💀

[pulsar minnow]

Rng was bad

[zenith arch]

That paved the way for stuff in DF

It was the first iteration

[glass fulcrum]

Several tier sets with pieces zone drops and not from bosses

I’m looking at you ToS warrior belt

And poor rogues just getting no boots lmao

[zenith arch]

We had a harder time getting BiS in a game designed to take up time I find fair. Legion legendary acquisition poopoo fs

But

Still better gameplay than DF

[glass fulcrum]

Wake up it’s time to farm Maw of Souls

[zenith arch]

I’d take the maw of souls over DF any day of the week

Give me a helya Xpac instead of happy dragons

[glass fulcrum]

I mean my point was straight line dungeon with like 5 trash packs

Not about story

[zenith arch]

And it was still better than some dungeons made today

[glass fulcrum]

I’m messing around anyway. I actually like Maw of Souls for how I can turn my brain off and farm

[pulsar minnow]

crafting> legendaries any day of the week. Crests> Titanforging too

[clear apex]

I hope mid has less crest stuff

[zenith arch]

Crafting is a nice addition fs it added a lot and I use it.

[clear apex]

I don't mind upgrading but do i need like 5 different types of currency

[zenith arch]

Doesn’t take away from a lackluster story that made it feel flat

[glass fulcrum]

Whats funny is imo gilded crests are the best to farm yet should be the hardest

[glass fulcrum]

I really wish crafting wasn’t to spam incentivized though

[pulsar minnow]

so your complaint is story not gameplay

[glass fulcrum]

I also think they should disable that addon that lets you (basically) auto whisper people who say Lf craft stuff

[zenith arch]

Gameplay now is good I like it and my guild likes it but it could be better. I will say that.

[zenith arch]

They need to make that easier 100%

My chat flies

And I can’t read it that fast

W/o addons

Go watch Ions panels about meeting players where they’re at. You can draw comparisons from everything.

^

That’s just in general

I love the part where he talks about DPS and how they made sure the numbers were even but the only thing making it different was skill level.

[clear apex]

And not being able to send guild requests when you're in a dungeon, delve or raid...
I don't want to have to turn off guild requests but my gods

[austere gazelle]

I get the horde city stuff, what I don't get it why it bother ppl to have a temporary main hub city to become neutral for just one expack, flaggin alliance player with a debuff " you're being watched " ( exactly like amirdrassil ) that make all the npc of the city neutral to alliance, and that goes off when the expansion will be over.

nothing is taken from the horde, and it has no more impact. its not the end of the world

[upper pasture]

the thing is is it can't be "temporary" until it's revisited....which for SM it took 10 expansions?

[pulsar minnow]

then you just cant go back to the old expansion as an alliance player

which would be bad

[austere gazelle]

why that?

[pulsar minnow]

because you're saying it would be flagged as hostile after the expansion

[austere gazelle]

yeah if you're in this expansion phase.

They've done more complex stuff lol

[upper pasture]

that's so much extra work to make a semi neutral city have different phases while in theory it would work that's just alot of extra work for no real reason.

[austere gazelle]

The city in itself has already been rebuilt and remade. you're telling me that phasing it is "much extra work " ? come on

[upper pasture]

just people need to get over the factions working together when it makes sense and right now a world ending event that's happening at a horde city

[austere gazelle]

then the horde city must accept everyone in, no exception, on a temporary measure until the threat is dismissed.

[upper pasture]

oh i agree no doubt

[pulsar minnow]

so that makes no difference then. An ally player can just teleport back in time and just have the city be friendly for them whenever

[clear apex]

You're talking about a new phase then a 3rd phase, they wouldn't do that

[austere gazelle]

and have everyone not in that phase invisible?

You're just trying to not make it work when you know it can work lol

[upper pasture]

what

[austere gazelle]

anyway I think they plan to open it to everyone later in the expansion anyway cause this " union of the elven scattered tribes " has to happen in silvermoon

[clear apex]

We need another phase of belameth then? And another for gilneas?

[austere gazelle]

there is already several phase for bel'ameth and Gilneas

[clear apex]

Df is over you don't need to go there

Theres 2 of each

[austere gazelle]

no there are at least three

[pulsar minnow]

So that's like saying that Suramar should be hostile for alliance after Legion, and phase it. Therefore requiring you to phase back in so you can do any of the content there

[clear apex]

Ok maybe 3 of gil, but only 2 of bel

Leveling (though that's really its own thing)

[austere gazelle]

absolutely. If you want to do content in silithus pre Legion you have to phase back in

[pulsar minnow]

difference there is that the entire zone was demolished lol

[clear apex]

Gosh horde being whiny over this 😆 🤣
Yall even get your own 3rd and past phase of it

[upper pasture]

the city is semi open to alliance and will likely stay that way until we ever go back there again for another patch or story

[austere gazelle]

but I'm not advocating alliance to do stuff into the main city of silvermoon, but to at least have access to it having every npc neutral

[pulsar minnow]

Its just unnecessary. 2/3rds of the city being open works fine

[upper pasture]

it's not like they are gonna be locked out of instances or delves it's just horde has a part of the city that they can't go to

[austere gazelle]

it's not 2/3 of the city, its more like 1/3rd since " the majority is horde territory " according to the dev

[pulsar minnow]

she literally corrected herself and said it was 2/3rds

[clear apex]

Maria said so

The small portion was wrong

[upper pasture]

"Maria Hamilton clarified her statements on the faction division in Silvermoon in Midnight, stating that only 1/3rd of the city will be Horde-only, and the other 2/3rds will be available to both factions.
"

[clear apex]

That interview is on stage with Taliesin

Just waiting on them to post their video now

[upper pasture]

either way who cares? 1/3 or 2/3 it's not locking alliance players out of instances or delves, yall just can't see the full city. i'm sure the parts you're allowed in are great too.

[sonic flame]

bro why

like

[pulsar minnow]

^ everyone's gonna have access to the stuff needed for gameplay

[sonic flame]

the youtube feed is so filled by people crying that the blood elf in the trailer wasn't feminine enough

the 3d model looked fantastic

[upper pasture]

because people

[sonic flame]

why do ppl bitch about anything

[pulsar minnow]

She has more of a jawline than them and they feel inferior

[clear apex]

I imagine most of them haven't seen a woman irl

[pulsar minnow]

That or they've never seen a woman in their life

jinx

[sonic flame]

they want every single female character in the show to be like the ultra sexual goddess

for no reason

[pulsar minnow]

She's a warrior not a model

[clear apex]

Lor wasn't hot enough for me t3t

[pulsar minnow]

and she still looks conventionally attractive

[sonic flame]

my fav female character in wow was the one that wanted to kill illidan all the time what's her name

maiev?

yes

covered so much u cant even see her eyes lmfao

and she's amazing

[pulsar minnow]

Saw those people complaining that "oh the cinematic is world of womancraft the woman is always right" when literally the entire cinematic all Lor'themar did was aura farm and be a total badass

[sonic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/maiev-shadowsong-maiev-shadowsong-night-elf-kaldorei-gif-7292026394203907820

[ember blaze]

minus her looking like a human, sure

[clear apex]

'Snowflakes mad over belf model rework"
Literally a video YouTube tried to recc me

She looks like a woman? The cgi never look like the in game models

[upper pasture]

everytime i see someone complain about the trailer im gonna watch it again

[clear apex]

The only snowflakes i see are ones that think women all need to look like models

[ember blaze]

they should match the in game models though. Removing that eye glow is stupid

[upper pasture]

The part where they are fighting together is so good

[ember blaze]

one of the guys who worked on it could not take criticism on twitter

[clear apex]

I agree they should add the glow

But they're not going to give unique models to everyone

[ember blaze]

if u cant convey emotions with the glowing eyes, maybe you need to give up the role to someone who can

[clear apex]

Anduin doesn't match his in game

[ember blaze]

🤔 it does tho

[clear apex]

Faerun (faerin?) didn't either

[uncut vault]

Well, they've edited his in game cinematic model a lot to match his CGI model

[clear apex]

Nah fae looks a lot more butch in the cgi but her game model is a lot more fem

[uncut vault]

he lost his Varian-like strong nose and brow and has a much softer face now

[clear apex]

His game model, cgi and high def cutscene models all look different but i expect them to be

They kinda match. You know it's the same person

[ember blaze]

https://youtu.be/to8yh83jlXg?si=TZIbfa2X2mpyIxx-

here's a team at blizzard who managed to do it with a freaking robot and a bird without giving them human faces

[clear apex]

Maybe they'll edit it later?

[zenith arch]

Working together and Exploring inside hostile faction capital saying hey I know we're mortal enemies but imma walk your streets anyways. WILD. Like lemme just go reburn SW rq on an orc and walk in ur streets XD.

[zealous sedge]

We’re still talking about factions?

[upper pasture]

they are i guess

[zenith arch]

Cant wait till the retail game is dead and Its just called "World of" while everyone else is playing C+

Also dont turn wow into ff14 plz and ty

[deep pawn]

I would prefer more eye glow on elves, Xal'atath levels minimum

But if you say that then you question Blizzard who surely tested it that way, found it didn't work and then went with human eyes

[deep pawn]

Locus Walker this very patch was able to show resignation without a face!

Would a CGI ethereal suddenly have eyeballs

I think Blizzard has never really faced criticism for a cgi cinematic on how it looked

So they are caught off guard

MoP was attacked cause of story, not art.

[uncut vault]

also we literally had this as a main character of an expansion trailer within the last 5 years lol

[deep pawn]

"he's not meant to be sympathetic like Liadrin and Lor'themar."

[zenith arch]

Diff cinematic artists too I beleive

[deep pawn]

It is a different team, and I feel bad they're getting attacked for a choice, but I believe criticism is valid

"why weren't you all mad about Sylvanas?" Cause her eyes were glowing more in the damn daytime!

[uncut vault]

People also were mad about Sylvanas haha

its just less jarring because of her undead features

[deep pawn]

She also had her banshee moment

You can sorta buy it's toned down to make Banshee pop

[zenith arch]

Go watch the warcraft movie and tell me u want glowy eyes