beta-ptr-spoilers

[sullen dawn]

possibly 12.2

depends how much they wanna pull elune into this expansion (they really should given Elves, light and void all prominent)

[pulsar minnow]

This expansion is definitely the time where they could finally write in An’she or Elune

[sullen dawn]

Definitely, theres never been a better opportunity

Sun and Moon vibes galore

Remember the recentish store transmog set?

Sun and moon armour (also gave nelf paladin vibes)

[pulsar minnow]

I think we’ll definitely get more info about Elune before the end of the saga. The Elune’ahir and Eonar threads all lead back to her

[sullen dawn]

Id like to think we'll get a general introduction to elune in midnight, or her relationship with azeroth. In tlt we can see her link to the titans (eonar specifically) and what her plans are

[pulsar minnow]

Elune most certainly is gonna be the plot device that fully convinces Eonar to our side (in my head she’s kind of looking for a way out. It doesn’t seem to be the most positive environment in the Titan pantheon)

Meanwhile An’she has just been dead silent since being written into the game.

I still really want to think his Avatar is locked within Beledar mainly because that makes for an insanely cool visual but also gives Beledar a huge lore significance rather than just being “oh it’s a world soul scab”

[sullen dawn]

yeh i think a titan civil war is likely

4 titans on our side, each with a renown track

eonar, khaz garoth, sargeras, and one other

amanthul, norgannon, golganneth (who will be first to die imo), and aggramar as the enemy titans

[rain cave]

I think we'll go to the blue child

Maybe to do something with the main moon

But the blue child seems important to whatever is going on

[sullen dawn]

we better be able to jump really high

[rain cave]

Moon rabbit mount

I've just realised

Blue child is arcane
Moon/ elune magic
There's already light in the sunwell
Void is incoming

That's pretty much every elf type

So could be a setup to making a "saved" sunwell be more like a combination of all of them, symbolising it as a haven for all elves

[pulsar minnow]

I agree but I see Aggramar turning to our side

Once he realizes who the orcs are descended from

[rain cave]

Which aesthetic wise could be VERY cool. Melded gold and silver, with splotches of both, a more mixed colour palette

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-son-johnny-sing-its-johnny-sing-sing-gorilla-gif-15001023870834297461

That's my son!

[sullen dawn]

Years ago I imagined 6 elves, each representing a cosmic force

3 nelves (malf, tyrande, and illidan i.e life, light, and fel), and 3 h/belves (sylvanas, alleria, and vareesa i.e. death, void, and order)

I dont think they'll do that now though. Seems like over-elfication:p

[pulsar minnow]

Then Aggramar realizes they’re horde characters so he has to kill thrall because there’s a yearly quota

I’m just praying in the cinematic we see a portal appear right below lor themars feet and he wakes up next to Thalyssra and the others in silvermoon

[sullen dawn]

That would be an absolute dream

No way we get all that. Thats literally perfect

[warm topaz]

what you mean nothingburger

[pulsar minnow]

Quel’thalas once again mistaken for Eversong Woods 😭

The entire region “continent” is Quel Thalas. Like Khaz Algar or Dragon Isles. It’s not a single zone

Fake leakers gotta stop making that mistake because it immediately discredits their entire leak

[little hound]

Another fake leak theory.

[little hound]

This is wrong already. Remix is in 11.2.5 and it has a Housing Vendor, so we'll get Housing sooner than we think.

[lavish raptor]

I mean Lemix is gonna last until January so it might be that the vendor will have items later

[sleek solar]

Remix will be released in October, is 11.2.7 expected for this year?

[pulsar minnow]

probably is. It's scheduled for the end of autumn

legion remix is probably just going to run through that timeframe up to Midnight's launch

[sleek solar]

Yeah it wouldnt surprise me if it replaces a season 4

[lavish raptor]

Lemix opens October 7th so 11.2.7 being early December tracks

[pulsar minnow]

Oh yeah we're not getting a Season 4 with the faster cadence

[lavish raptor]

December is technically in autumn

[harsh mason]

I swear, if I see Hight elves as a allied race again, I will be very disappointed in the mental abilities of some leakers

[lavish raptor]

No we need more virtually identical elves in the game that add no extra flavor

[harsh mason]

I mean, dude, just go into the game and change the eye color of the Blood/void elves.

[austere gazelle]

Havoc, Vengeance , Void Render?

Something does not add up in the naming scheme xD

And I'm pretty sure they'll pull out new hero spec turned toward void and light

[deep pawn]

I believe the Devs have said that was him being dramatic and that it wasn't actually there

Kind of a vision thing

[glass flicker]

That sounds stupid.

So, yeah. Probably true.

[deep pawn]

Void Elf and Nightborne are easy, just gotta use existing meta forms

Orc and Draenei I don't immediately believe

[dense plover]

no way they ever add a damage meter

NEVER

damage meter would mean people posting in chat saying "you were the lowest dps" would actually be listened to since it wouldnt be 3rd party anymore

[austere gazelle]

mm both race have an history of being fel corrupted so I can see that.

Eredar can teach the way of the fel to the Draenei Demon hunter, as Orc Warlocks to the Orcs

[warm topaz]

Ion said they will iirc

i would need to double check

[deep pawn]

They literally said it's coming

[dense plover]

oof

[deep pawn]

Blizzard said it's something they HAVE to add before they can disable addon access to the combat log

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hqJ210XWeU

probably in there

[pulsar minnow]

Nothing wrong with adding a damage meter to the game

It’s how you track progress and how you know if you were doing any good

[deep pawn]

I would've been fine with them gone, but WoW can't remove them this late

[untold fox]

From what I can see the outdoor look of the house will not be customizible but you will only be able to build on top of select few structures ? I was more excited about that than anything else :/

[warm topaz]

this. It's the only way to know you're improving being a dps

[deep pawn]

https://i.ibb.co/5gpYyvbX/12367.jpg Completely fake but I appreciate the effort

I want Azshara back for Midnight so bad

Poor Lor'themar though lol

if that's AI they've cleaned them up a lot

[tropic trail]

Damn nice

[upper pasture]

I’ve been thinking about that lor’themar image and what if the craziest thing happens and just before Xal strikes him down for good sylvanas shows up and blocks her attack

[deep pawn]

What if Azshara lol

[pulsar minnow]

Had a new idea for the zones of midnight

What if it’s Zul Aman, Eversong, Northeron/Updated Ghostlands, and the max level zone is within the sunwell

Like a gateway to the void and we have to sky ride down into it

[deep pawn]

I like the Eastweald and then Quel'thalas as Eversong/Ghostlands/More combined

[deep pawn]

that should be how we enter the 12.2 zone/raid

[pulsar minnow]

Or that

[deep pawn]

my dream is 11.1 we reclaim the Sunwell but it's already a portal.

11.2 we go through to seal the void for good

[pulsar minnow]

I’d also like that. Sunwell Raid pt. 2

Then the light takes over and begins to spread influence by force causing the titans to come back so they don’t steal Azeroth from them

[austere gazelle]

why is it fake?

Azshara is slated to return in midnight

[rustic cliff]

cause the characters are painfully AI generated

[deep pawn]

I think they look too good for that but the tech is advancing rapidly

I want Azshara in Midnight but so many say it's too full to have her

[upper pasture]

I mean she’s an elf “tribe” I’m sure she’s slated to return at some point

[deep pawn]

Some people are dead set that only means Blood, High, and Void

[little hound]

Damn bois

[upper pasture]

I mean there’s a chance they forget about her but idk lol I atleast hope not

[deep pawn]

My hope is it's all elves, not just Silvermoon ones

[deep pawn]

I hate that the top and bottom are two pieces

And they overlap so it makes matching other stuff hard

The top on its own is funny, it gives everyone boxer briefs

But I wanted the robe with pants underneath

[pulsar minnow]

we have to be getting azshara

would bring everything full circle. Unite the elves to defeat the person who divided them in the first place

[sullen dawn]

Theres plenty of room for azshara imo

[rain cave]

I feel the sylvanas thing will be a mid expac call for aid thing

but if it does happen we can add yet another cgi cutscene/trailer with sylvanas in it

https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-world-of-warcraft-wow-horde-gif-18202425

[upper pasture]

I just feel like we need something big and shocking to happen and I think it would be a nice uno reverse card to the shadowlands cinematic

Instead of her being the one to kick it off she is trying to stop it just like bolvar

[rain cave]

sylvanas is currently trapped until we ask tyrande to put her on parole

[pulsar minnow]

i just dont really know where Sylvanas would fit into the light vs void story

[rain cave]

she fits into the elf one

plus ven'ari mentioned the maw and how the void fears it

[pulsar minnow]

well yeah its quel thalas but what are we really going to with her

[upper pasture]

Her sisters?

[rain cave]

void hates death, she is a death elf with a large familial and cultural tie to silvermoon

[uncut vault]

we just had an entirely unprompted goblin patch, and then a patch taking us to an entirely different planet in the "underground" xpac lol

[rain cave]

I expect her to be present in some aspect even if it's not immediate

[uncut vault]

Blizzard does not really care about consistent xpac theming

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah, but I don't think those were the best recieved no?

[rain cave]

12.1 we're bringing back torghast guys

[pulsar minnow]

I want Sylvanas back I might just be narrow minded because of the hints that the story is going to center around arator

[uncut vault]

How theyve been received now doesn't really matter when the patch premises (and especially the appearances of big characters like Sylvanas) have long since been locked in for Midnight

[pulsar minnow]

My worry is them bringing Sylvanas back for show and not doing anything with her

[upper pasture]

Undermine was the goblin fandom flavor patch, k’aresh seems fine so far? 12.0/12.1 might as well the Sylvanas fandom patch

[rain cave]

I fully expect Arator to be our sort of beacon of reason whilst Alleria has a crash out/menty b and turalyon goes full on "I need to just be a military commander"

[uncut vault]

Surely they'd never do that...

[pulsar minnow]

my exact fear

[upper pasture]

My boy

[rain cave]

I'll do you one better

[uncut vault]

Sylvanas at least has the hook of her sisters over Thrall

[upper pasture]

It’s a hordeys place in the expansion, we just stand there and do nothing

[uncut vault]

Thrall always kind of felt like a tagalong character to the premise of TWW, whereas Sylvanas has a really easy and obvious investment in Midnight

[rain cave]

tbf at least thrall could have interesting element stuff

(but he didn't)

[deep pawn]

Sylvanas will save either Alleria or Anduin

[rain cave]

I feel like thralls character in general is just on a big highway to nowhere

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[pulsar minnow]

Metzen said back at Blizzcon that Thrall would take on more of an advisor role and would kind of be like a mentor figure

[rain cave]

personally I'm fully expecting sylvanas to die in this expansion

[deep pawn]

Metzen came back and took charge to literally write himself out of the story and got paid to do it

[pulsar minnow]

Which- he did do that. But he did that for like 30 minutes then peaced out

[uncut vault]

going into the xpac I was expecting him to do what Faerin did for Anduin tbh

he's already been through his self-doubt phase where he struggled to connect with his powers

[deep pawn]

He did at one stay a while

He told Anduin he didn't need to be Varian

[rain cave]

anduin lowkey looking like eminem these days

[uncut vault]

But I kind of expect that they had plans for his Elemental Dysfunction story that people reacted super poorly to, and so they cut it

because those shots of him struggling with the elements from the trailers go nowhere lol

and they removed all of Jaina's mentions of it from 11.0

[pulsar minnow]

As a Horde player I might get killed for saying this but I really hope Anduin gets some more screen time in this expansion. He got more than Thrall but he was still sidelined after the main campaign despite being all over the marketing

[deep pawn]

There's just nothing else I can say to add to my disappointment with the story direction change after 11.0

Midnight better have a payoff for TWW getting WoD'd

[remote shuttle]

Honestly its more likely Metzen forgot he fixed his elemental nonsense and the story team had to tell them they kinda already solved it - so they had to pivot.

[uncut vault]

I dont think I'd go that far for TWW's state of affairs lol

It's definitely more of a pivot than a hack-and-slash like what WoD got

[deep pawn]

TWW is WoD if we had Argus after Archimonde

[pulsar minnow]

Midnight feels like the real start of the world soul saga tbh. Or- at least its giving me a very similar vibe to how I felt about the game during legion which was this super high stakes fantasy battle

[deep pawn]

Personally I wish we had had Beledar and Rootlands story over K'aresh but what is done is done.

[uncut vault]

at this point, TWW kind of feels like the story setting itself back into place after the massive pivot that was BfA and Shadowlands

its largely wrapping up unresolved things from that era and resettling us into the post-Legion character mindset

[pulsar minnow]

In many ways TWW feels like the real sequel to Legion

[deep pawn]

I disagree. K'aresh feels like going back to the Pre DF stuff

[uncut vault]

K'aresh is a direct continuation of Argus lol

[pulsar minnow]

We're still probably gonna get it

[uncut vault]

like, brokers aside who are mainly worldbuilding set dressing, the main plot is the continuation of locus-walker and alleria's story from Eredath, and the escalation of the Shadowguard's presence

[deep pawn]

Beledar is probably gone entirely

[austere gazelle]

She will be 100% there. The song of the sea prophecy mentions it. And she will have the K'aresh Soul Scribe ending to regenerate Azeroth's world soul.

" And then she will rules over seas, sky and earth "

They introduced the " Exchange " ritual for that reason

[deep pawn]

At least in K'aresh Locus Walker paid for his arrogance.

All he had to do was not touch the crackling void cursed item.

I wonder how hard he failed that save check

[austere gazelle]

xDD

[deep pawn]

Watch Alleria have to pull a Tyrande and give up all void power to save herself.

[pulsar minnow]

Doubtful

Beledar is connected to whatever is happening to Azeroth

[deep pawn]

Where do you think Beledar can come back into play?

Unless it's a ship and can move

No, whatever plans they had for it were dropped in favor of Midnight

Original Midnight was likely going to be Xal darkening Beledar fully and trying to attack the world soul

Raid could have been the sea and stuff

[pulsar minnow]

The Last Titan

It’s related to the radiant song

[austere gazelle]

Beledar is linked to the light and the origin of the Naaru somehow I guess

But it's also a huge hint as to what is really Azeroth.

[pulsar minnow]

They wouldn’t have written this whole mystery about Beledars relation to Sargeras’ sword and the world soul if they weren’t planning on exploring it eventually- which coincidentally all those things are major plot hooks of The Last Titan

Much like Elun’ahir is related to Eonar and the world soul as well

[deep pawn]

Nice

We're probably a month from alpha

[austere gazelle]

Agree, but I think its linked to the true nature of Azeroth. I think Azeroth will be something older than the progenitors and that is the core of creation ( And the Origin of Light and shadow, hence why her cristallised essence give birth to shards of light - naaru like )

Chronicles also states that shard of light where thrown into the emptiness of the cosmos to seed life into other planet. Which could explain why we have several creatures looking the same on different worlds and stuff, if those shards of light came from Azeroth and " spread " her dream through the cosmos

[deep pawn]

Possibly, but it's very obvious 11.0 was written before the saga decision

I wouldn't bank on anything coming back

Earthen yes, but not the locations

I just hope it's worth it

Cause as someone who enjoyed the 11.0 story it took a ton of wind out of my sails to abandon it for years

[pulsar minnow]

I just don’t agree but I totally get why you think it though

It feels to me they’re much more willing to reuse old locations as of late

[little hound]

I feel like Sylvanas will save Lor'themar in that cinematic, and the Windrunner Sisters will defend Quel'thalas again.

[pulsar minnow]

I hope blizzz knows if lor themar dies this saga is just dead

[little hound]

:kek

Nah.

So many other potent Thalassian characters.

[pulsar minnow]

A man with armor that badass cannot die

[little hound]

Looks at Varian

Yes they can.

[deep pawn]

They barely used Arathi Highlands

Beledar will likely be mentioned but we won't see their original goals for it

[lavish raptor]

"WoW Players" could easily be replaced with Thalyssra

[deep pawn]

It's just another chunk of Azerite

[pulsar minnow]

But there’s also the fact this is an interconnected multi expansion storyline. At least that’s what they’ve advertised. Some threads won’t be resolved in this expansion and will come back later.

And I feel like the coreway, Beledar, and Elune’ahir are prime examples of that. We’ve learned about the Acclimation, the Manifold, and the Worldcore now.

The only way there is the Coreway. Only reason we didn’t see it was that the tunnel got bombed by Nerubians.

That said, the whole story of Isle of Dorn and Ringing Deeps was bringing the earthen back together to open the way once more

I don’t think they’re done with it. Too much of what’s been said in this expansion is directly leading into the last Titan

[uncut vault]

Blizzard is significantly less afraid of having us revisit old zones in meaningful ways in recent times

There's no reason we couldn't get a subpatch revisiting Hallowfall in TWW

as both a wrapup to its involvement in the Worldsoul plot and a setup for the likelihood of Arathi Empire plot after TLT

[deep pawn]

I just don't see us using the Coreway in TLT. We'll enter the Manifold another way

[ember blaze]

@deep pawn is this true https://x.com/apewinsx/status/1956320586914746811

ape (@apewinsx)

@TaliesinEvitel Yesterday before the teaser someone said on mmo champ that Lorthemar and Halduron will be villains and then we saw Lorthemar in the teaser lol..

X · Aug 15, 2025, 11:42 AM

[deep pawn]

I think I vaguely remember it

There's been a ton of leaks

[sleek solar]

Tbh, I would prefer that way more than having Lor'themar die

[little hound]

Sylvanas's return can only happen in Midnight, i can't imagine anything more befitting.

[sleek solar]

Exactly

[deep pawn]

Question is does she die and leave Thrall as the only living Vanilla horde leader?

It's actually hilarious if Lor'themar dies the most veteran leaders are Baine and Ji

The game barely remembers Ji exists

[lavish raptor]

funny you mention him - in legion remix ptr they removed most of the npcs in orgrimmar. one of the ones they left in was Ji Firepaw

they forgot about him

[autumn dagger]

Maybe syl will bring from the maw whatever it is that the void fears

To help us defeat xal

[autumn dagger]

I really dig this

[little hound]

Only Ve'nari knows about that, so unless she told Sylvanas? I doubt it. She left the Maw before we ever got to Zereth Mortis.

[autumn dagger]

She's down there saving every unjustly sent soul and also nathanos so maybe she finds it while doing her penance

[deep pawn]

Her penance will be done the moment plot needs it to be

Time flows different

[autumn dagger]

😂 😂 precisely

[zealous sedge]

I would like to see Xal with some fear struck in her when Sylvanas comes back and stomps on her to save someone.

Can I also say I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Dimensius? I don’t think he’ll be an end boss anymore but I could see Xal using him as a minion now. Maybe like a penultimate boss in her raid.

[deep pawn]

He's too big and honestly fighting him a third time would feel stupid

[dreamy dove]

IMO the only mortal that could have some chances to confront xal would be queen azshara.
She is still the most powerful living mage/sorceress, now considered even a demigod.
She was hugely empowered by n’zoth when turned to naga.
she ALMOST killed n’zoth (lorewise, we prevented her to do it)
Even major demon lords (mannoroth, hakkar) was afraid of her. Even sargeras recognized her power.
A clash between them would be a fair fight imo

[little hound]

Yup facts. Mannoroth was about to stomp her until Sargeras and Archimonde simply said: «Try mate, she won’t be the one getting stomped» 😂

[zealous sedge]

Oh okay I did not know that. I would love to see that confrontation.

[dreamy dove]

Yup, basically the only one who could have had a chance against her was KJ and MAAAAAAAAYBE archimonde

[open temple]

"Magnificent"

[deep pawn]

I'd love CGI Azshara

[dreamy dove]

Me too, but i doubt they’ll bring her back in midnight
My guess is, since we’ll be gathering all the elven empires under one flag, is that will be elisandre to lead the nightborne even tho they are former highbornes. Unless they do an awful recon, like the worse recon in wow.
Night elves hate her cuz she’s basically the reason of the fall of their empire, nightborne cut ties during the first invasion, high/blood elves (and by any logic void elves too) are descendant of dath’remar sunstrider (for non lore nerds he was the one that lead the group of highborne away from zin’azshari to quel’thalas)
So yeah, unless they make her like “you need a goddess-badass-immortal queen to lead you into war or you’ll be all dead” i don’t see her coming in midnight.
BUT MAYBE they could introduce nagas xD
Would be the best time
5 elven nations againste the void under the banner of the most powerful mortal being in azeroth. Would love that.

[dreamy dove]

Me too man, me too

[deep pawn]

I honestly see her starting off as our ally because we need her. If they truly plan to see "Alleria must face Locus Walker's choices"

[dreamy dove]

Yeah but consider that tyrande wants her dead, like, REALLY DEAD
Elisandre condemns her cuz she’s the reason they were forced to live in a dome underwater until gul’dan raised the broken isle from the seafloor
Where do u put her

Even tho we know nothing about where she is now

Except she “trascended the circle of stars” that could be linked to the propecy back in legion but…meh

[deep pawn]

I don't think Suramar was ever under water

That was the broken shore only

Regardless, the narrative is setting up for Alleria to prove Xal and Locus Walker wrong that giving up being living beings and their planet was necessary

So Azshara playing the Harbinger role of helping the mortals against the void lord but either not betraying us or we deal with her properly

[dreamy dove]

Yup, all of suramar was underwater

[pulsar minnow]

It was only the broken shore

[deep pawn]

I'll need a citation on that because there's not any water damage.

I'm pretty sure they went "oops, wasn't the entire Broken Isles"

[dreamy dove]

Warcraft 3, when u go in the tomb of sargeras with maiev as hero, she clearly says that the raised ruins where from the city of suramar

Also, the temple of elune (a.k.a the tomb of sargeras) was in suramar as it was the religious capital of the empire

So yeah

[pulsar minnow]

So yeah not the entire city lol

Just the broken shore and temple of Elune

[dreamy dove]

They were under a dome of arcane magic for millenia lol

[dreamy dove]

“This was once the great CITY of suramar”

“Blasted BENEATH the sea”

[pulsar minnow]

“The Sundering blasted a part of Suramar underwater, though the majority of the city was saved by the future nightborne thanks to a magical shield that shielded the city.”

• chronicle volume 1

A part of Suramar- aka the broken shore, was blasted underwater.

[deep pawn]

Wc3 has been constantly retconned

[dreamy dove]

So they reconned it?🤔🤔

[pulsar minnow]

Yes.

[deep pawn]

Wc3 is like 25 years ago

[dreamy dove]

But why in the ingame cinematic elisande says they lived without moonlight and without sunlight so they needed to turn to the nightwell?🤔🤔

[dreamy dove]

YEAH I KNOW THANKS FOR MAKING ME FEEL OLD DUDE🤣🤣

[deep pawn]

Cause the dome was thick

They literally thought the rest of the world was gone before The legion showed up

[dreamy dove]

Ok
And why they didn’t shield the temple too?
Like
It was the mort important build aside from azshara’s palace LMAO

[deep pawn]

Probably too far away

The shield is centered on the Night well

[pulsar minnow]

They had to build the shield very quickly

Also the temple of Elune had already turned into a portal for the legion invasion

So they wouldn’t have walled it off in the blast

[dreamy dove]

Wasn’t it corrupted by sargeras avatar when aegwynn buried it inside

[pulsar minnow]

The Burning Legion attempted to open a second portal besides the one at the Well of Eternity in the Temple of Elune in order to attack the night elves on two fronts. The resident Highborne used the Pillars of Creation to close the portal and put several seals on the temple.[10] The Wild God Ashamane battled Ronokon in Val'sharah just outside Suramar and sacrificed her life to kill him. In doing so, she was able to buy the elves the time they needed to craft a shield around their city.[7]

Just pulling this from wowpedia

Humans didn’t exist yet since this was 10,000 years ago

[dreamy dove]

Yeah i know
But i was saying that it was corrupted long after the war of the ancients

[dreamy dove]

Oh yeah, forgot that

Can’t recall the full trilogy at 4 a.m during an insomnia episode LMAO

🤣🤣

[pulsar minnow]

You’re good dw

Frankly I didn’t know why they didn’t save the temple either until I checked after you pointed it out

I just figured oh it was last minute

Didn’t realize they had already begun the invasion there too

Which is what I guess they wrote as the retcon to explain Suramar still existing

[dreamy dove]

Well
Honestly i always tought they lived under their dome in the seafloor

BUT

The fact that only the broken shore was submerged could explain why the bridge connecting suramar to the temple of elune is broken

[ember blaze]

@deep pawn so many instruments

[deep pawn]

Not new

[ember blaze]

yeah, but it wasnt relevant before

[zealous sedge]

[deep pawn]

I was thinking late September, but if Prepatch is Jan 20th, and with the 2 week Christmas holiday, it might start before the end of the month lol

[zealous sedge]

I could definitely see it

I remember TWW announce at Blizzcon but Alpha didn't start til like Feb I think? They had that creator event in London to kick it off

but obviously we are on accelerated timeline

comparitively

[deep pawn]

Anyone else think the noises in the most recent teaser sounds a lot like the War of the Worlds tripods?

[deep pawn]

Two separate posts on MMO-C have now name checked a C'thraaxi in the Amani area.

That's suspicious

I'd be down for Torga to help us

[pulsar minnow]

Kith’ix?

The one they built Zul Aman atop?

[deep pawn]

Yeah

Couple posts have also mentioned a Silvermoon faction split down the dead scar.

Vereesa in the West and an Aethas led Horde side in the east after Lor'themar dies.

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

Noooo please don't kill bro

[rain cave]

I fully expect calia to have some story interaction with the scar

[sleek solar]

Not the worst one I've read, but wasn't the dead scar already healed?

Also the dark rangers already joined up with the forsaken lol

Even have a member in the dumbass council

[austere gazelle]

stupid. A neutral city like all the time would work.

[rain cave]

I saw a good idea that was the alliance have a camp and vindicar in the open park/ city area

Whilst the horde area is the streets themselves

But imo the whole city would still be accessible. Just that those are where the factions are represented and its made clear the the alliance are guests

Until something more permanent is sorted out

[sleek solar]

I agree, it is a Horde capital city

It should be like Bel ameth

Horde city, with alliance tolerated

[pulsar minnow]

Also that’s probably ripped straight from Taliesin who’s been joking about the exodar/an alliance hub on the side of silvermoon that just has absolutely nothing there

[sleek solar]

How funny would it be if Midnight revealed the Mega jailer, who was behind everything including Xal atath

[austere gazelle]

like dalaran, yeah that could work

[rain cave]

behold mortals... the Jailest

[obsidian karma]

have prophet velen come crashing

[rain cave]

"Light take the wheel"

[rain cave]

"Velen quick we need your help to save the world!"

velen quickly hiding the luggage he was packing onto the vindicaar so he could hop planets again

Uhh yeah sure

[zealous sedge]

You know the best part about it being Saturday

Only 3 days til Tuesday

[rain cave]

I'm working a 12 hour late shift on Tuesday I'm so mad

Why is gamescom on a damn Tuesday 😭

[zealous sedge]

Ah man

Is your job something where you can put a headphone in haha

[rain cave]

Sometimes

But the data/WiFi is inconsistent

Ig my best bet is just to get home and watch the show whilst pretending it's live lol

Try not to get spoiled

[clear apex]

The stuff i want to watch will be on Wednesday at 5am, not fun

[zealous sedge]

Well the good thing is I don’t think they are streaming the panel live but will have YouTube recordings after the show

[glass fulcrum]

hit 80 on legion remix, its pretty fun

We already have 5 man groups doing heroic raids lol

[upper pasture]

I cannot wait to go ham on legion remix

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna do it for cosmetics, but it doesn't feel as fresh this time

[rain cave]

I'm going to enjoy getting a new DK since my void elf one drives me insane

terrible animations

[deep pawn]

This one is just vague enough to feel real.

[glass fulcrum]

turalyon dying before going on a grand crusade would be such a letdown

classic and retail collection combination yea s ure :P

[deep pawn]

there's literally been multiple surveys about MoP characters transfering to retail

if they don't want to do WoD it has to end eventually and SoD proves that people won't stick around for an empty MoP Era.

[warm topaz]

dks want to create a new lich king

why lol

[upper pasture]

Because they cannot create any new DKs without one?

[deep pawn]

also if the undead are rampaging and they can't contain them anymore

[upper pasture]

“Uncapped” M+ is gonna be fresh enough for me at least until I’ve got all the rewards

[deep pawn]

Also, there's a few leaks with similar stuff talking about Darkfallen having a big role.

I do think there's a good chance Xal'atath mind controls some people

I still don't see her getting her hands directly dirty

And she'd RELISH the chance to make Alleria fight Turalyon or Vereesa.

[upper pasture]

I feel mind control would be a terrible tactic for Xal to use. She’s already shown she’s a master manipulator, to make her mind control people would be “meh” to me

[deep pawn]

it's these shrouded folks doing it but who knows

[rain cave]

to be fair, I don't see why anyone would want to be a death knight or why they'd WANT to make more unless they had to

but thena gain midnight is a pretty "we need all the help we can get" style xpac

maybe that's how they bring primus in?

[lavish raptor]

lore wise DKs basically become unfeeling killing machines (or at least they think they do) and believe the end justifies the means

[upper pasture]

I guess it’s sorta giving yourself to a cause, like you die but you live on to fight the undead /shrug

[tulip sun]

Honestly best sounding one yet.

[lavish raptor]

in legion when they were turning specific NPCs into the horsemen they were basically like "well i guess im fucking doing this now"

[clear apex]

Wait, bolvar can't make new DKs? Didn't think about that

[lavish raptor]

yeah he lost his sick hat

[clear apex]

Wouldn't you need a new helm

So a new lich king wouldn't do much

[lavish raptor]

well they used the frags of old hat to make new hat i think

[clear apex]

SL basically said "dk exist bc the jailer" and he's gone

[lavish raptor]

then gave new hat to pelagos

iirc

[clear apex]

I guess the primus could do a new one but I'm unsure what the new helm would do. What are we dominating for?

[upper pasture]

Yup pelagos has the crown of harmony

[lavish raptor]

also just thought about it. earthen could be forced into DKship w/o much complaints lol

[dense plover]

way too much to be real

last few real leaks are either hyper specific with proper formatting (ie leaked data someone copy-pasted), or specific but short

anything that long is fake af

[warm topaz]

i feel like we could get something real on Monday

like close to the announcement

[tulip sun]

We have before

For both TWW and Dragonflight I believe

[warm topaz]

not TWW iirc but for DF yeah

[ember blaze]

yeah all those "leaks" with all 3 patch storylines

[warm topaz]

and for SL, the Bolvar pic

but idk when was that

[dense plover]

very shortly beforehand

though this is surely close enough

BUT - gamescom is much stricter about security for each company's areas

[ember blaze]

that was a fuckup by the blizz store wasnt it

[dense plover]

and you dont have the protections for doing this in Germany like you would in the US

if you take pics of info and signed a contract, guaranteed there are going to be very real expensive consequences and they will know its you

i guarantee Gamescom has very good security and good camera footage of every main area

[tulip sun]

Don't forget some stuff for the next expansion!

I just hope I enjoy whatever it isssss

[deep pawn]

The DF artwork leaked pretty early

[ember blaze]

i just need to see at least a new class 🛌

bard 🙏

[dense plover]

artwork

not story

not details

last two expacs the leak was artwork from someone backstage snapping a quick photo or a distributor/3rd party doing stuff

and again, im pretty sure gamescom contracts the third party in this case

[deep pawn]

the DF artwork was from the blizzard offices

[dense plover]

yes but its still artwork

no one is going to mess around at Gamescom that because the contracting company could lose the gig and that would mean whoever did it would be financially liable

otherwise we would have a ton of gameleaks right now

blizzard isnt the only big company announcing stuff there

Hell, Pokemon Legends Z-A is going to have a demo there

and we know VERY little about that game

we would be getting leaks left and right if gamescom security wasnt tight af

[tulip sun]

Its fun to look at fake leaks either way

My only big hopes are: Forest Troll Allied Race and Lor'themar not being dead

[dense plover]

i dont think theyre going to kill lorthemar

the current ranger general is definitely on the table though

[upper pasture]

Yeah, I’m very pro lorthemar being attacked but saved by “someone”

[dense plover]

i would prefer they dont just kill a guy in a cutscene in general though

its stale

[dense plover]

it being either alleria or honestly thalyssra would be cool

it could also be alleria's son being attacked

[tulip sun]

Id love Thalyssra but it certainly almost is Arator or Alleria

[dense plover]

Xal said she was going to destroy everything she cared for

[tulip sun]

Maybe itll be one of each elven faction- Vereesa, Alleria and Theron

[dense plover]

why go after lorthemar and not arator?

arator is one of the few things she cares about

[tulip sun]

I would put down money on that being Theron.

[dense plover]

i think thats dumb

whats the objective?

why?

what does Xal get out of that?

she wants to hurt Alleria

[tulip sun]

She probably went to him to try and corrupt him, like she went to the Nerubians, or Gallywix and so on.

[dense plover]

no chance

shes not stupid

that wouldnt work

she would know that

[tulip sun]

🤷 Idk

[dense plover]

both of the factions you named are greedy af

[tulip sun]

Just thoughts.

[dense plover]

its why I think its arator - he has a new model coming and we have art

look at his armor

[tulip sun]

But it looks nothing like Arator and matches everything we see with Lor'themar.

[dense plover]

anyone have the cutscene image?

[dense plover]

it does have the blue gem though the sword design is very different

[tulip sun]

It really matches Lor'themar- down to the blue gem on the saord

Sword

[dense plover]

ok it is his sword i see that

but no way they kill him

[deep pawn]

Watch him be "shrouded"

[dense plover]

i mean - theoretically we open the expac with the sunwell being corrupted to the void right?

[tulip sun]

I doubt it but I have my worries with it lol

[dense plover]

maybe he is there to defend it and fails and she leaves him to witness it

"Witness the Destruction of what you hold most dear"

that kind of shit

[tulip sun]

Oh id be confident in that- i wouldn't be surprised if that's the cinematic. Xal went there to corrupt it and Theron is there defending it- wouldnt be surprised if Arator is there too.

But that pic is Theron

[dense plover]

yeah im wrong

ill admit that

but theyre not gonna kill him

we are going to a horde city, his city, and we have still not seen his marriage and life with thalyssra which is something theyve hinted at repeatedly

if they kill another horde leader theres a real chance i stop playing

im pretty fed up with it

[tulip sun]

That's just me being worried in the back of my mind. I know he probably wont. But everything I've seen makes the back of my head scratch away on the Horde suffering.

[dense plover]

silvermoon still belongs to the horde

[tulip sun]

The book to set up the expansion is about Arator and his parents. The pre-order records are arator and his parents. Where da heck is the Horde.

[dense plover]

well tbf, most people have no idea who arator is

so they have to do a lot of heavy lifting

theyre literally calling him the redeemer

and the story stuff with turalyon made it pretty clear that he is on thin ice in silvermoon as a member of the alliance

theyre extremely cautious about his presence

[tulip sun]

And Alleria the ranger general 😭

My poor man Halduron

[dense plover]

yeah him dying makes some sense - i dont even remember that guy

could also be that alleria is the ranger general for the high elves or something if theyre letting a faction return to silvermoon

i have no idea how it will work as a capital for the expac when its a horde city

[deep pawn]

That's always been his title

going back to TBC

[dense plover]

it has?

why?

[deep pawn]

Who knows

[tulip sun]

Thats not a good reason 😂

This is the time to give him an actual characterization

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper pasture]

Ooooorrrrrr just kill him off, no need to “develop” someone if they’re dead

[tulip sun]

Why kill him off without even another archer character to replace him?

And it would make no sense for an Alliance character to take the role of chief defender of a horde kingdom

[dense plover]

ideally no one dies

i hate them killing named characters in a cutscene

[deep pawn]

when should they die?

[sullen dawn]

Of old age in their sleep

[tulip sun]

They've destroyed or killed a notable person or thing in each patch of TWW

I would be shocked if that didn't continue

[dense plover]

in game

i mean like - a pre-game cutscene where the player isnt even involved

[sleek solar]

Didn't the Deathlord create the horsemen during the legion campaign?

[deep pawn]

we weren't involved in Locus Walker's cutscene

[dense plover]

i mean no, but at least we are there

like its during the game

as part of a story we moved forward

[ember blaze]

@deep pawnbrann sure has lots of crystal buffing curios

[deep pawn]

oh snap, someone found the name of the Lucky Yun recolor

Nightborne Space Bull!

[ember blaze]

still wondering how this is acceptable as "playable ethereals" 🤔

[tulip sun]

It isn't meant to be. But it helps with RP.

[ember blaze]

yes, and it's garbage

[dense plover]

bet this and the new hawkstrider skeleton

[ember blaze]

i get more ethereal wraps from a classic era shirt

[deep pawn]

Cloth works well

[ember blaze]

funny u mention that. When I first saw the vendor items, I bought that cause it looked closer to an actual ethereal, then i realized the armor is fucking armor type locked

so dumb

[deep pawn]

it is what it is

some devs say "class identity matters" for some stuff like the legion mounts

others add the god damn chess set

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

can legit look like whatever the fuck armor type with all the shop and trading post mogs

[deep pawn]

at least Legion Remix sets are armor type wide

Can finally get the druid shoulders on monk

[clear apex]

Can't you use the legion class mounts on any character? I didn't see class lock when i was on ptr

For remix

[glass fulcrum]

no, I bought it and tried

They don't show a class req on item, but in collection they're just red

I was thinking about mage tower, regardles if appearances come back or not, the casting while moving is going to absolutely trivialize most

Like the mage tower where you kite the warrior and kill the mage becomes a joke if you can cast while moving

[deep pawn]

you can learn on any class, but using is class locked

per a dev it's a "class identity thing."

[deep pawn]

Haha, and that's why doing it as Balance druid back in the day was considered easy

[glass fulcrum]

my favorite class identity, fel owl
No not druid, priest obviously

[zealous sedge]

Maybe Lor’themar isn’t kneeling because he has been defeated. Maybe he is kneeling in service to Xal because she has possessed him, that might be why her eyes are lit up a little bit extra because she’s using some sort of mind control.

[ember blaze]

2 more days

[rain cave]

I feel like a cinematic trailer of just xal showing up and mogging lorthremar and the sunwell isn't enough

What about if there's a split narrative? Someone mentioned arator being on thin ice in silvermoon because alliance. What if they keep cutting between him fending off void monsters trying to save the people in silvermoon, and meanwhile lorthremar is confronted by xal, gets beaten and she goes to corrupt the sunwell

Or maybe they'll try do a cinematic trailer with every elf type within reason

So thalyssra saves lorthremar., arator and vereesa saving civilians. Maybe alleria steps in at the last second to try save the sunwell from xal.

[tropic trail]

What’s in 2 days?

[turbid fjord]

New expansion cinematic i think?

or trailer

[tropic trail]

Woot

Damn i can’t wait then haha 😂

[harsh mason]

New expansion trailer, gameplay and so on

[sullen dawn]

All the things!

[warm topaz]

people is still debating if this is real or AI

the funny thing is, i remember people doing the same with the Alexstrasza shot from the cinematic and saying it was AI

and turned out to be real 🤣

[little hound]

One ONE Leak was real from Pre-DF to its reveal, i doubt so many leaks are real.

[rain cave]

it's very obviously an AI + photoshopped edit of his key art

all the same details are there, but warped. And the areas where the sword would be in that image, is also where it's harder to make out details

[sleek solar]

Why does he have 2 bracelets?

[rain cave]

here's how easy this was to do btw

[rain cave]

I think they're alleria's, but definetly to do with his family I think

maybe they represent alleria and arator

as like a little gesture to their elven heritage

[sleek solar]

Ohh thats nice!

I never noticed before

[sleek solar]

Holy fuck he looks like a beefed up Harrison Ford here

[glass flicker]

Man.

He would absolutely slaay 💅 if his toes weren't glued.

What, did they run out of feet budget with Xal'atath?

Blizz plz.

[dense plover]

only her cinematic model has separate feet parts

players dont have cinematic level models ever

[glass flicker]

Unfortunately.

[tropic trail]

Epic

[dense plover]

the game would explode

if you had 100 players on screen with cinematic models, your computer would burn your house down

[glass flicker]

I mean, we're kind of due for new character models, anyway. :o

The textures for the base races are from the WoD era.

We've already had the WoD era models for longer than the classic ones.

At least update the skin textures to not look like something straight out of Source Filmmaker.

And seriously, fix night elves.

Just look at her hands. They're gross.

Blood elves aren't doing any better. Where are your wrists, man?

[rain cave]

Wdym?

Their hands look OK to me

[glass flicker]

Look closer. First off, she has long nails, but they're the same tone as her skin.
The bottom of her palm and pinky finger are curved for some reason, no hands do that.
Her index finger is longer than her middle finger.

[sleek solar]

The male Belf has enormous hands

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[sleek solar]

It always bugs me

[clear apex]

The feet are what i hate

Glued toes and nasty nails

[dense plover]

theyre not human - the proportions are different

[glass flicker]

Normally, I would agree.

However.

Cinematic model. Tyrande's middle finger is longer than her index.

[elfin eagle]

Honestly idk if it’s a take as someone who played with new models the old models are still a lil better

They had a charm to them

[deep pawn]

there are better looking feet with sandals and stuff, but the devs have to add it to each shoe model

[glass flicker]

Then, do it. :o

[deep pawn]

I'm sure they will

There was outrage with the summer bathing suit if you don't recall.

[glass flicker]

I don't recall.

[little hound]

For whoever was wondering about the Worldsoul spell that was datamined on Xal'atath:

She's using it on Dimensius during Phase 2 of the fight.

Doesnt seem to be doing much.

[warm topaz]

but she's doing everything (she needs) 🧠

[rain cave]

Nails tend to be the same skin tone because, their color is determined by the skin underneath them

And the hands are curved because she's holding them like that

If you curve your hands like that or makes it look like fingers are different sizes

[glass flicker]

So, should my nails be peach pale instead of pink with white semicircles?

No. Of course not.

[rain cave]

Because its a different skin tone determined by what's underneath

[glass flicker]

So, shouldn't that be how it works for darker skin tones, too?

[rain cave]

Yes? People with darker skin have darker nails

[glass flicker]

No they don't?

[sullen dawn]

.... no? Nails are a specific colour and not influenced by pigmentation

[glass flicker]

It's all a matter of genetics, some may have darker nails.

But most of the time? No.

[upper pasture]

Yeah nails aren’t darker than your skin tone usually

[glass flicker]

[upper pasture]

But then again this is a “fantasy” person so possibly? Who knows

[glass flicker]

They're usually lighter.

[rain cave]

Yes they do?

[rain cave]

We're literally posting the same picture as evidence of our opposite points

[sullen dawn]

Its just nail is somewhat see-through, so the colour of your skin behind it will.make it look a certain way

Also this chat is getting weird

[rain cave]

Agreed

But also if you want realistic proportion this is the wrong game lmao

Have you seen human male

[sullen dawn]

Wow do be cartoony af

[rain cave]

Human males are hilariously proportioned. They're alien as hell

[glass flicker]

Stylized doesn't have to mean unrealistic. WoW may be cartoony, but there's still a push for believable proportions. Otherwise every girl character would have honkers the size of your house.

[rain cave]

Stylized literally means not realistic effectively

[sullen dawn]

Kul tirans are pretty unbelievable proportionally

[rain cave]

And the reason they make the proportions emphasised how they are is for design reasons.

[sullen dawn]

As least for an entire nation to be like that

[glass flicker]

In terms of height, yes. But their bodytypes altogether? Not that unbelievable.

[sullen dawn]

As a genetic 1 in a million sure

[rain cave]

Big hands mean big weapons, big weapons are cool and easier to see on screen. Makes readability better

[sullen dawn]

But its not a normal body structure

[glass flicker]

I don't think it's that unbelievable as a bodytype.

[sullen dawn]

Very few people have strong man distribution

[glass flicker]

Yeah? Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[rain cave]

They're descended from a race of strong men different to normal humans so

[sullen dawn]

Im just saying its not realistic for an entire nation of people to be like that

Its ok for wow to be unrealistic

Always has been

[glass flicker]

This one is fair.

[rain cave]

Works in lore because of their heritage they're not just plain human

[glass flicker]

But no, it's not an entire nation of 'em. Remember the skinny ones?

[rain cave]

Also there's loads of kultiran body shapes which is funny

[glass flicker]

And there are also normal humans around.

[sullen dawn]

Right exactly, which is non realistic. Im ok they are the way they are. Im just using them as example to agree with "dont look to wow for realistic proportions"

[rain cave]

That 'leak' about them changing races to be more like culture and base race + body type makes sense to me

I see them doing that as some point

[sullen dawn]

Even more unlikely! That exactly 50% are freakishly underweight ans 50% are strongman lmao

[sullen dawn]

It would be fun

Especially for roleplayers

[glass flicker]

How is it 50/50 when there are also normal humans around?

C'mon. Do the math.

It'd be 33/33/33 in that case.

[sullen dawn]

The ones from stormwind?

[glass flicker]

Have you ever been to Kul Tiras?

[sullen dawn]

Ok like 5% of kul tirans have 'normal body type' sure

[sullen dawn]

Not IRL no

[glass flicker]

You are not funny.

[sullen dawn]

Rude

[rain cave]

I laughed

[glass flicker]

No you didn't. Anyway.

Jaina's entire family has the normal human bodytype. That should paint a big enough picture for you.

[rain cave]

Just because the joke myste for you doesn't mean you have toby a spoil sport

[sullen dawn]

Look i think this is a tangent to be honest

"Myste for you" 👀

Damn I just noticed the second one

😂

[rain cave]

Anyway

Give me universal tattoos

[sullen dawn]

I want voice options

Different accents

[glass flicker]

Based. But don't lock them under a per race basis, neither.

[sullen dawn]

I wanna go full irish with my wildhammer

[glass flicker]

Give us full universal tattoos.

[rain cave]

And shared hair between races with the same skeleton

[sullen dawn]

Lorebook also

Can integrate lorewalking into it, and have culture, race pages etc.. as well as zone meta achievement tracking

[glass flicker]

My Monk, in RP, has a dragon tattoo sleeve on her right arm. I want to have that in-game too.

Bonus points if I can fully customize it.

[rain cave]

Class tattoos that react to your combat state would be cool

But I doubt they'd do that

Like if you're a fire mage they turn red/orange, arcane purple, frost white/blue

[glass flicker]

If only. No, my Monk's tattoo is a Cloud Serpent surrounded by lightning and gold laurels.

[sullen dawn]

I want druid forms inspired by DK Bananza

[glass flicker]

You can see a bit of it here.

I need to get art of her tattoo by itself.

I just wanted art with the little pet.

Have emotional support elemental friend.

[glass fulcrum]

Good one

[upper pasture]

Rip the dream lol

[deep pawn]

The third spec dream isn't dead until Tuesday

[ember blaze]

it should have been available for lemix

[upper pasture]

Possibly but I believe they would atleast have something happen on kill. My guild DH is coping that it comes from dem but I doubt it

[ember blaze]

did we know about the gauntlet item before sark got killed?

[deep pawn]

I mean it's first build on the ptr. I always figured 11.2.7 if the spec is before 12.0

[warm topaz]

it was leaked like some days before

[upper pasture]

Is the the effect was leaked?

[warm topaz]

the item itself, a picture of the tooltip/UI

[ember blaze]

yeah but not how to get it, yeah?

[upper pasture]

No

[ember blaze]

so theres still hope

https://bsky.app/profile/keyboardturner.bsky.social/post/3lwmukatqfc2c

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturner.bsky.social)

not really directing this at anything in particular but sometimes i don't post about something in datamining because it maybe wasn't meant to be public yet, not because i didn't find it

Bluesky · Aug 17, 2025, 9:51 PM

seems like ppl dont always catch stuff

[upper pasture]

Yeah but I’d say the spec/item shoulda came from the soul hunters and not Dimensius since he doesn’t really have anything to do with the void DH is all. That is of course if it does exist

Other than well….void

[ember blaze]

true but

[upper pasture]

But I suppose there is hope at reset like Kyle said but no NPC or item to start a chain/show progress I doubt anything will happen

[ember blaze]

they could also just have it be a special world first kinda thing again

where the first world kill gets it first

then unlocks it for the rest of us

[warm topaz]

i think something like a new spec need to be tested a lot before it release

[upper pasture]

Soul hunters on mythic was a world first tho

[warm topaz]

like, thinking about a shadow drop is kinda crazy

[ember blaze]

yeah but thats not as important as world first dimensius

[upper pasture]

Even if it was a quest to be like “oh you need to kill dimensius on mythic to complete the quest for “special thing”

[ember blaze]

not like that, but maybe unlocking a quest chain for it 🤔

continuing the questline where we left off

[upper pasture]

Yeah it wouldn’t have been available immediately just a progression in the void DH story line

[deep pawn]

Oh, by Tuesday I meant the Midnight reveal

You won't be seeing a new spec before December

Not after Aug was accused of ruining DF s2

[upper pasture]

Honestly this season seems super easy and we’re getting another turbo event next patch why not let a new spec “ruin” it

[ember blaze]

yeah like turbo boost alone resets title pushers..

can include balance changes too

[dense plover]

because there is no chance it will overlap with legion remix

now that they have locked evoker out, guaranteed any new specs will be locked out too

[upper pasture]

It could be as simple as locking it out of legion remix just like Evoker 🤷‍♂️

[deep pawn]

I always thought if it was remix only they'd just do the havoc questline

We'll see on Tuesday

[clear apex]

whoa hope this is something we can get in game and not just on npcs

from that bluesky prof posted earlier

[deep pawn]

probably eventually

[upper pasture]

Looks something I’d expect from a housing NPC

[ember blaze]

its a peasant outfit

https://bsky.app/profile/keyboardturner.bsky.social/post/3lwfx4kokr22p

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturner.bsky.social)

Villager's Collection Gear #⛏️

Bluesky · Aug 15, 2025, 3:48 AM

this one is interesting lol

[upper pasture]

I guess that’s pretty close I suppose

I just scrolled that profile and I saw the warden owl pet 👀

Looks like a SLs inspired warden owl, Sylvanas return nearly confirmed

[ember blaze]

should definitely follow her if you want to see a lot of cool datamined stuff

[uncut vault]

There’s still a chance for something to be announced this week

DKs for all wasn’t shown at all in the initial 8.3 build, but got added in a later PTR build after they were revealed for Shadowlands preorder at Blizzcon

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[deep pawn]

Portergauge, do you think any of the picture leaks is real so far?

[uncut vault]

If you mean the one of Turalyon, Azshara, and Lor'themar, no I definitely dont lol

[deep pawn]

aww, I think it looks real enough haha

[zealous sedge]

I don’t want it to be real only because I’d hate to see Blizzard use AI for their art

[ember blaze]

i think i saw someone show the turalyon one being some existing art 🤔

[deep pawn]

I think AI accusations fly too easily

People swore the DF artwork was AI too

[glass fulcrum]

I dont get what this means am I missing something

Obviously death knights were in BFA

[deep pawn]

they mean the allied race and pandaren DKs

that wasn't added in the first build

[lavish raptor]

didnt the "true" DF leak come out like day before

[deep pawn]

nah, the artwork was actually days before haha

[lavish raptor]

ah ok

i think AI was generally much worse in 2022 tho

[deep pawn]

This was posted on April 3rd

expansion wouldn't be revealed for another 2 weeks

[ember blaze]

i dont recall anyone saying ai

[deep pawn]

there was lots of "That doesn't look like normal blizzard art."

Sorry, they probably said photoshopped or something

[glass fulcrum]

Angle of picture is still weird to me, can't tell if it was an intentional leak or accidental then someone spread on purpose

[deep pawn]

I'm sure Blizzard leaks stuff on purpose for hype

Like Blue Bolvar.

[zealous sedge]

anyone gonna be playing this? haha

[glass fulcrum]

Well you flat out lose if any of the middle 3x3 is B

[deep pawn]

But the general trend will always be someone claiming it's fake for various reasons, either they don't like the direction or just to be contrarion haha.

The Dracthyr leak was the best

[zealous sedge]

I've just been so accustomed to seeing AI generated art everywhere these days and it bums me out. But if it is in fact not AI i'm cool with it because it does look cool

[upper pasture]

What’s crazy was I was totally anti Dracthyr but then they grew on me and I love how the class plays and now I’m an Evoker main so /shrug but my initial reaction was that this isn’t wow lol

[deep pawn]

I always thought they were cool

[ember blaze]

Radiant song bard right at the top

[rain cave]

Wouldn't work for remix

[deep pawn]

A WQ turns you into a broker lol

[glass flicker]

Mhm, the one with repairing the transmog mirror thingy.

[deep pawn]

yeah

[obtuse vine]

https://x.com/pattymattson/status/1956746427964575918?s=46&t=xCU5PEs1yQwL9rCJRzfUXg

Patty Mattson (@PattyMattson)

#2DCON Minneapolis MN Aug 22-24 #WOW #Gamers See the #WindrunnerSisters Together! Myself #SylvanasWindrunner , Mara Juno #AlleriaWindrnner and Courtenay Taylor #VereesaWindrunner !! And SO Many More spectacular guests and events! DON’T MISS IT!

https://t.co/FADTTT90vO

X · Aug 16, 2025, 3:54 PM

[little hound]

?

Did she just..

REveal Sylvanas making a return?

[obtuse vine]

That’s what I was thinking 🤔

[warm topaz]

not necessarily, they're just going to an event in Minneapolis

but the timing is definitely sus

[tulip sun]

Im definitely suspiciousb

It'll almost certainly relate

[ember blaze]

tomorrow lorthemar dies

[autumn dagger]

Yoooo stfu

[little hound]

I still have a feeling he'll get saved by an inch.

[autumn dagger]

Will thalyssra get her cgi debut?

[ember blaze]

nah, it will be thrall shoved in a cinematic for the 100th time

then never seen again

[tulip sun]

Jokes aside, im fully suspecting itll be Arator since he lives in silvermoon

Saving Theron

[obtuse vine]

Imagine Sylvanas shows up and shoots an arrow at xal just before she’s about to kill lorthemar

[little hound]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998693853110472765/1406422629648175245/IMG_9442.png?ex=68a462e4&is=68a31164&hm=48a974d20cef17b9d7321931903548584068d4e5214a2230fc5aca291d951af3&

[dense plover]

They’re not gonna bring Sylvanas back - she hasn’t been gone long enough

God you guys are like wired right now

[lone mantle]

Let us hope that she won't be back anytime soon.

[dense plover]

It’s crazy - some of the ridiculous awful theories I’m seeing as we get closer to the reveal are truly bottom of the barrel terrible

Take a break guys

Go touch grass or something

Or at least go play a different game for a day or so

[novel zodiac]

man, cant wait until they turn a horde city into an alliance city, i hope they make alleria the new queen

[warm topaz]

i think they will

maybe not in the cinematic ofc but I'm sure they will on Midnight

[dense plover]

no they wont

she has been gone for less time than anyone and the spotlight is supposed to be on the blood elves not the forsaken

it makes no story sense - the expac isnt focusing on the windrunners

thats not the art we have seen

man im gonna have to mute this channel until after the reveal tomorrow

i cant deal with this

[warm topaz]

it's just my opinion man, I think it's a good time to bring her back, she's a Windrunner she was really important to Quel'thalas and if void fear death, who better than Sylvanas

if you think they won't that's fine I respect that lol

[novel zodiac]

alleria's not a blood elf

[tulip sun]

Now that is one theory I think actually makes sense. Her coming back to defend her homeland.

[rain cave]

it's highly likely they will bring her back, even if it's just to kill her off

this expansion is tied to silvermoon and the elves. A story that is inevitably tied to memories of the undead. it is also tied heavily to Alleria. Sylvanas has heavy ties to all 3 of those things

[tulip sun]

A quel'thalas expansion without the return of THE Thalassian elven ranger character that WoW is known for would be shocking

[rain cave]

still convinced they'll kill her off

but giving her one final heyday as her true ranger general self, not the banshee queen. It would be nice

let her defend her people as penance for the times she couldn't

[rain cave]

Also peach, the idea of "been gone less time than anyone" is false, she's been gone LONGER than anduin was gone

Anduin dissapeared for 1 expansion, Sylvanas has been absent for two. And it's not like we're even asking to have sylvanas front and center like anduin was

[deep pawn]

https://imgur.com/YtjqVJL.png

Likely fake but I love the light satyr concept

[zealous sedge]

And then it turns out to be real

[lavish raptor]

My man has five fingers on the left hand and four on the right

[zealous sedge]

The pinkie is hidden

I feel like wow art isn’t that chiseled

[autumn dagger]

If there's an expansion to bring her back it's this one

The one where elves settle their differences

[zealous sedge]

Hahaha you guys are gonna piss Peach off

[lavish raptor]

It has that AI smell

[autumn dagger]

🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

[zealous sedge]

No I agree I was joking

[lavish raptor]

Hahhah

[zealous sedge]

The placement is a little weird next to the logo. It’s just superimposed

[deep pawn]

concept art stuff always looks funky

[lavish raptor]

I low-key hate being able to identify AI art on a glance purely by vibes, why can't I be an innocent grandma who believes in the POOR AFRICAN BOY WHO MADE A SCULPTURE OUT OF BOTTLES

100% real no cap

[autumn dagger]

Good god

[deep pawn]

Looks like 5 and 5 tio me, you just can't see the last two nails lol.

[lavish raptor]

it also looks like the art style of the AI pregnant illidan I generated months back

also a key sign

[zealous sedge]

When it gets weird is when artists use AI to generate the original image then use their talents to clean it up. That’s where it gets hard to distinguish

[tulip sun]

"Likely"

[autumn dagger]

I think what gives it away is that 1) that's not usually the style in which wow satyrs are done
2) the torso and head are like 2/3 of the body and the legs are all squished

Dwarf satyr new AR confirmed

[deep pawn]

Unless it's a Draenei male remodel. 😛

[lavish raptor]

also it looks like pregnant illidan

[zealous sedge]

Please god no

[lavish raptor]

see same art style

[zealous sedge]

Thanks I hate it

[lavish raptor]

[deep pawn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gyon2LjXAAEFOpx?format=jpg&name=small First poster from outside!

[lone mantle]

Is it today?

[zealous sedge]

Tomorrow 11 AM pacific!

25 hours!

They are gonna open with Blizzard me thinks

The show

[deep pawn]

I doubt it

WoW is big but it's not that big

[zealous sedge]

True unless they lump any over watch or Diablo stuff in their segment

But yeah I’m gonna watch the whole thing Either way

[deep pawn]

So our prepatch event is almost certainly Voidstorms with those "Shrouded" guys in the streets of the various cities

[dense plover]

AI - look at the right hand, the two finger joints merge together

[deep pawn]

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/october/slleak01.jpg I remember when everyone swore this was fake lol

[pulsar minnow]

Look at the belt

The design blends into itself

Like the hallmark standard of ai

[lavish raptor]

Me when I generate art to mess with the Wowhead discord audience

[deep pawn]

oh this is for mmo-c, not us lol

[pulsar minnow]

Watch them not even announce a zone for Zul Aman tomorrow

Instead more humans 🙂

Lor themar dies

Alleria becomes blood elf leader

Nightmare timeline

[zealous sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

Take your doom pills somewhere else

[pulsar minnow]

One more

Xal Atath puts shoes on

Now I’m done

[zealous sedge]

NOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

[pulsar minnow]

I stg if Xal enters the cinematic with a foot shot

Actually I’m putting that on my bingo card

They would not pass up the opportunity

[deep pawn]

only thing against that is this cinematic would be started before it became a meme

[zealous sedge]

I can’t wait to make my bingo card later

[pulsar minnow]

Praying to all that is holy Lor’themar just gets corrupted

I can already visualize his dead eye going void

Which we promptly FREE him from in questing in a non-lethal way!

[rain cave]

omg guys midnight leak!!.1!!

[pulsar minnow]

This is real and true

[rain cave]

god I hate AI 😭

[pulsar minnow]

I genuinely thing people are getting worse at spotting it these days

[lavish raptor]

xal'acroc era

[pulsar minnow]

I would totally buy xal’acrocs. Blizzard take notes

[rain cave]

I've been on its ass since day 1 so I'm pretty aight at spotting it. It's not even the specific details of an image most of the time it's just the vibes

AI and its consequences have been a disaster for the leaker race

there used to be actual effort put into these things!

[pulsar minnow]

The only time I think I fell for it was that Khaz Algar fake zone leak

But I don’t think that was ai. That was a YouTuber who made custom models by bashing stuff together

[rain cave]

this one?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that one

[rain cave]

I think there was some AI used in that one tbf

but it was largely kitbashed

[pulsar minnow]

This was before the ai boom but it’s so funny looking back on

[rain cave]

remember this one lmao

[rain cave]

honestly I'm still half convinced this was actually an early concept

but they wouldn't have had the logo probs

[pulsar minnow]

This one got a lot of people too

[rain cave]

and it's so different to what theytried to do lore wise after

[rain cave]

lmao

[warm topaz]

that one is really good

then you see the boats and some planes on the water and it's not good anymore

[pulsar minnow]

I’m honestly shocked how well the world soul saga has been kept under lock and key

We were all pretty shocked when they announced the war within because it was unlike anything we expected

[rain cave]

I remember the set pieces leakin for df lmao

[warm topaz]

this was a really cool leak tho

like it doesn't tell you anything

but it let you theorize about it

[pulsar minnow]

That one got debunked really quick once people realized it was Dawn of the Infinite

But it was funny seeing the speculation

[deep pawn]

One of the more fun theories is that pieces of Outland are gonna be thrown at Quel'thalas and some of the zones are in the sky

[pulsar minnow]

We already got some floating islands confirmed

Based on this pic of the revamped silvermoon

Hope they push some high fantasy in these zones

[deep pawn]

that looked more like buildins to me but who knows

[little hound]

that was posted last year ye

[pulsar minnow]

This was for gamescom

It’s new art

This is a better view of it

Reminds me a lot of the pieces they did for TWW. Could also be like a Silvermoon Streets dungeon

[deep pawn]

or the rumored streets BG

[clear apex]

24 hours

Well, a little less now

[tulip sun]

23 hours and 56 minutes

[rain cave]

I already think the void will do some of that

like rip up windrunner tower and have it floating amongst a bunch of other islands

just because of the void influence ripping land out of the ground

[pulsar minnow]

I really love whoever’s idea it was of raised underwater ruins off the coast

Or some void city in the sky

[rain cave]

wasn't me for the ruins part but I personally do think that the sunwell will be basically inaccessible for the first launch tier, like it's held in a big bubble

and that will cause the water to dry up

in the little channel between isle of queldanas and silvermoon

can have some naga there

[autumn dagger]

this one and the cgi clouds and necropolis were amazing

[pulsar minnow]

Quel Danas is going to be our broken shore of the expac I feel

[rain cave]

yeah, pulling the cord on it as the launch raid feels weird to me

[pulsar minnow]

Launch raid could be Kith’ix

Then 12.1 sunwell

[rain cave]

curious where people are getting kithix from

[pulsar minnow]

Mainly just the void elf dialogue mentioning void presence in Zul Aman

[rain cave]

I feel like 12.0 raid will be trolls, with kithix sure

but hear me out

if they're really trying to recapture the legion feel