beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

To put it in perspective if we want the same 400 item limit like FF we would only be able to use 400 items that cost 250 points, from what I can gather from SS from videos I think I see something worth 64 points and it’s a bed? And a desk for 65?

[little hound]

My biggest fear about this, is timegating (Example: 3-5 levels a week)

I don't mind the leveling at all, it seems like trading post leveling, you level by playing the game, quests, dungeons etc. That's all fine. I just don't want it TIMEGATED.

[dense plover]

it will probably be incidentally timegated, like with rep

where you CAN keep grinding rep, but the weekly stuff gives a lot more than the grindable stuff

[little hound]

That'd be fine, as long as its not FULLY Timegated.

[dense plover]

i dont expect full timegating since theyll probably keep adding new stuff with every patch going forward ad infinitum

[ember blaze]

do we even have these in wow? 🤔

[lavish raptor]

You can buy flamingos on siren isle

[dense plover]

both plot and house having independent perms is awesome

[dense plover]

theyre also in undermine at the golf course

[ember blaze]

like the actual animal?

or a prop

[lavish raptor]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=234282/decorative-yard-flamingo

[ember blaze]

yeah but we havent actually seen a real one in the game no? 🤔

[lavish raptor]

I mean, we didn't get ducks in the game until DF, but there were duck themed items before

[ember blaze]

flamingos confirmed for midnights, just like ducks for dragonflight?

[lavish raptor]

The natural flamingo habitat: the Ghostlands

[dense plover]

might be a while - flamingos are weird and they dont have a skeleton they can reuse

i suspect it might be a while

[lavish raptor]

The ones in Undermine are just pink storks. as a birder, it almost annoys me as much as the "sea gulls" in Isle of Dorn being hawks

At least for Undermine it might be part of the joke

[ember blaze]

man, doing this wod intro on a ground mount... feels like im playing classic and walking 💀

it's so fucking slow

need undermine ground mount speeds

[deep pawn]

weird since they've had a gull model since Cata

[lavish raptor]

literally

[deep pawn]

https://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=seagull

they used some of these in Kul Tiras...

[lavish raptor]

THAT ISNT A SEAGULL

[pulsar minnow]

They even have an updated gull model too

Someone’s just got it out for seagulls

[lavish raptor]

ok but that's an albatross

[deep pawn]

It's an Azeorthian gull

everything is bigger

[lavish raptor]

this is my bird autism coming thru

[deep pawn]

regardless, that model does exist

[lavish raptor]

Yeah

I don't know why they used the hawk model

[deep pawn]

scarier

[dense plover]

is it supposed to be a seagull?

[lavish raptor]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=224018/bloated-sea-gull

[dense plover]

huh - looks more like an osprey

[lavish raptor]

Yeah lmao

Another bird of prey that isn't related to gull

[dense plover]

and apparently they did use the correct seagull on siren isle

i wonder why

maybe the albatross model looks bad when its smaller due to the wing size?

[lavish raptor]

Why not just use or update the old gull model then

[dense plover]

apparently there is no such bird classification as a gull

its a nomenclature people use incorrectly for several groups of only semi-related coastal birds

[lavish raptor]

Technically gulls are members of the Laridae family

[dense plover]

heres a skua, which looks kinda similar - these are often called sea gulls in parts of the world

[glass flicker]

Birds are birds are birds.

[lavish raptor]

NOT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT

[dense plover]

great question, but we have lots of models that still need updates in the open world

zhevras, the weird giraffes, lions, deer/doe, etc

idk why they havent done it - and idk why they didnt use the albatross model

pretty minor imo (and i teach biology for a living)

[lavish raptor]

yeah it's just a pet peeve for me

[dense plover]

i think there are bigger things to care about

tbh i would love to see some MH Wilds level animal behavior where animals move around and interact with things and behave in certain ways based on the weather and time

right now, most animals exist for quest purposes

not all of them, but most

[lavish raptor]

yeah. Quest purposes, battle pets, or prospective skinning farms.

[dense plover]

it would be neat to see them populate the world in a way that isnt quest related

[glass flicker]

Humanoid friendly NPCs already have routines. Wouldn't be hard to work out the kinks. Like wolves killing critters and eating the corpses.

That used to be a thing.

[tulip sun]

There's definitely such a thing as gulls. But seagull is a horrendous error and must be eliminated

I study wildlife and my professors really emphasized that hard and now it annoys me 😂

[lavish raptor]

I love gulls, even after I witnessed one brutally attack a gosling

but yeah the terminology "seagull" is annoying, a lot of them don't even live near the ocean

[zealous sedge]

Damn I’m just finding out about the housing post. All the good stuff happens on my long work days haha

[zealous sedge]

So Favor is for upgrading the house - I’m curious what they mean in terms of upgrades. Extra rooms? A bigger house by look from the outside?

Based on the screenshots the houses look pretty much the same but I’m assuming we’ll see customization options for the exteriors at some point.

[deep pawn]

They already said you'll have enough space for a hedge maze and others giant trees

The exteriors themselves better be customizable.

[zealous sedge]

I doubt this will happen but would love the ability to have a farm plot for crafting reagents

[upper pasture]

They just confirmed it today

“Partly because having a yard that you can decorate really lets people express themselves, but also because we wanted to make sure there is enough room between plots that players didn’t run afoul of each other’s yards.”

[deep pawn]

that's decorating the yards

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I wanna change the walls of the exterior and add/ remove stories, windows, doors, lighting, etc

[upper pasture]

ah, i thought you meant exterior as in the outside

not the outside of the house i guess lol

[zealous sedge]

Haha all good yeah

[harsh mason]

Read the name of this mob and look at the model

It's like a 2+2 kind of thing.

[lavish raptor]

idk what u mean

[clear apex]

Unless it was just an endeavor thing, Taliesin had a screenshot in his hands on test and you could see a night elf house exterior, just the roof but it was something

And i doubt due to the location that it was an endeavor. It was a tall as other houses

[little hound]

Assuming like DF Reveal, we can probably Pre-ORder Midnight at GamesCom when they reveal it.

[ember blaze]

housing by gamescom got it.

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t count on it more like gamescom will likely reveal when we will get housing

[little hound]

Doubt we'll get Housing this early 😄 Latest post 1-2 days ago just said there's still alot of TEMPORARY Stuff and much to be added. So most likely closer ti new year.

[ember blaze]

yeah but pre order stuff no?

[little hound]

Pre-Order stuff are usualy mounts/cosmetics.

Not "Early Access" to Housing.

[ember blaze]

wasnt evoker a pre order bonus

same with races

that aint a cosmetic

[little hound]

Classes < Game Systems. Housing is a system they have to prepare in quality for EVERYONE, that's the difference.

You are free to dream, but that's not going to happen 😄

[ember blaze]

we shall see at gamescom

[little hound]

Some things are obvious, some are speculative.

But yes, we'll see.

[thin warren]

can't wait!

still 40 days 😦

[pulsar minnow]

you could pre order dragonflight in June of 2022, but nobody got access to expansion features til pre-patch in October and evokers in November

also, housing is literally on the roadmap slated for early winter so

[clear apex]

They've got housing on the roadmap for winter 2025, so my guess is maybe October at the earliest (except that's still fall) or November

"Winter" though could be placed in late fall

So midnight reveal in late August there, as planned

Do wonder if the housing tab is just shoved to the side but could be a part of 11.2.7

[rain cave]

Preorders got access to evoker and dh early, but not at time of preorder going live

Was with prepatch

[deep pawn]

I remain convinced that house early access will be part of the preorder bonus.

Or at the bare minimum you'll start collecting housing items during 11.2.7 with remix.

[clear apex]

Wasn't that confirmed in screenshots? They showed items for sale from vendors. I could be thinking of something else though

Like rugs from the SW quartermaster

[deep pawn]

It wasn't, but there was a druid in the Legion class hall looking at Seat of the Triumvirate loot and seeing housing rewards

[clear apex]

Oh wait, think the sw qm pic was showing rugs in the post about past achievements and all that

[austere gazelle]

still coping that the whole fel color is for DH third spec in addition to Legion Remix

It'd fit perfectly and thematically

[upper pasture]

Fel? Don’t ya mean void?

[deep pawn]

yeah, the screen shot is in the druid class hall

I couldn't find the exact spot but it's the only palce that looks like that

[austere gazelle]

on the roadmap bar I mean

[ember blaze]

idk theres plenty of green zones

[deep pawn]

eh, not that exact green with that road, and swirly stones to the side

it's the class hall.

Nothing else in Val'sharrah matches either

but I still think we'll farm at least decor during remix if not get early access to housing as a preorder sales driver

[upper pasture]

I mean the bar being green was the whole hint towards legion remix no? Then shortly after the “hint” they told us legion remix is coming?

Like don’t get me wrong I want the new DH spec (if real) to be included in remix but there isn’t really anything hinting towards it right now except people just being hopeful

[uncut vault]

There is as much hinting towards a void DH spec as there was towards a third Evoker spec in 10.1

Take that how you will lol

[upper pasture]

oh for sure but i mean a hint that a 3rd DH spec will be included in remix

[deep pawn]

my copium is atiesh rebuilt legendary

[austere gazelle]

na I mean that the moment of the return of the DH on the spotlight for legion remix might be a good moment to put the third spec. If they have to do it , it shouldn't come from nowhere and should follow a lore and a thematic. So, the event of the Raid and the coming of remix might be a lore time or " stars aligning " to evolve DH lore and add something more to the class

[deep pawn]

DH is "You are what you eat" so void hunter makes perfect sense

[upper pasture]

we will also likely see the return of illidan soon too, good time to be a DH main. i'm not arguing that we shouldn't get a 3rd DH spec, just as it stands right now there is nothing indicating that IF there is a 3rd spec that it would be included in remix. would it be cool? sure that means i'd likely play DH in this remix however there's nothing but the story we are getting in 11.2

[little hound]

Lorewise DHs are given their abilities depending on what Demon they consume when they go through the ritual, so they same can easily be done for any void aberration they come across.

[deep pawn]

I mean it is the only 2 spec class and they said they couldn't come up with a 3rd fel spec for them which is why it wasn't added in Legion

There's some encrypted stuff that has been alluded to.

Some people know what's coming but the honor code says if it's encrypted that you don't leak it though

[crude sigil]

Yeah, we need a third spec on DH, but don't know if we have really a third spec in Midnight ... Maybe after, when Illidan will come with Pantheon in Last Titan ?

[ember blaze]

any support demons?

[little hound]

Doubt.
Felhhunters are Spell-Eaters.
Sayaads are Seducers & Tormentors.
Imps are just mischievous damagers.

[upper pasture]

tbf, i think the story can go either way, DHs learn how to harness the void without Illidan and when he comes back he has to "come to terms with this" or in TLT he comes down and teaches us everything he's learned since being away one of them was how to use the void as a weapon

[crude sigil]

yeah, they "learn", but are consumed by the void itself (it's a boss in the raid). But maybe just a "beginning".

[ember blaze]

actually that doesnt matter

cause its gonna be void

but with chaos brand being there

[austere gazelle]

The npc trying this said she need a better teacher, Alleria comes to mind, and there is also some Nightborne. The Arcan'dor managed to sate the hunger of mana of the nightborne, maybe it can bring balance to the hunger of the void too and allow the balance for the DH to come, and thus, also opens up a way for nightborne DH

[ember blaze]

u got something that boosts dmg for ur allies

[crude sigil]

Yeah, I know, but I think Midnight is too early (or maybe during the expansion)

[austere gazelle]

I think it'll come either in the next .5 patch or soon after. It can't be an expansion feature because you can't lock a third spec behind an expansion to buy

[crude sigil]

But i'm the first who pray for a third spec for DH ^^

[austere gazelle]

Also, they need to balance it and some fine tuning if its coming, a .5 patch is perfect for that

[crude sigil]

Yeah, like Aug

mid-expansion or something like that

with more story about void, dh and alleria or Locus Walker (or maybe Illidan) before

[ember blaze]

mid expac for midnights seems a lil too late

[austere gazelle]

Na it'll be either before the end of TWW or at the start

but I doubt they wanna do it at the start and before a new season because they'll need to monitor and fix stuff before a new raid opens

if they release the spec being too op or broken, they'll have to nerf it to the ground in a hotfix way and it'll make people rage

[crude sigil]

Look about Aug ^^

[austere gazelle]

yeah, see how it ended up xD

[crude sigil]

Aug is unique gameplay too, dps "support". It's hard to balance

Because bad group say : aug bad
And Good group say : OP aug

Balancing it his weird and hard

I would like to see a DH "caster". Or something who cast spells (or maybe "instant" casts) at distance and go port to his enemy to kill them and port back (like some "fell rush"). We have some transmog about it. We have "left hand" transmog that are useless today. DH have a third spec at the beginning of the dev, and it's a "mage", but never append, abandonned. Illidan was a sort of "mage" before using blades.

I don't know if a "support" is possible. Void have no real a "support" style. Maybe we will see some void "support" during this patch or later (midnight) ?

[dreamy dove]

Illidan was literally the second strongest sorcerer during the reign of queen azshara (her being the first)
They were the only two NE (lorewise) who possessed golden eyes, that means they were likely blessed by fate etc etc
So he wasn’t a “sort” of mage
He was the second most powerful mage (beside azshara)
Not even the moonguards was at his level

[crude sigil]

Yep

(I know ^^ And DH need this too)

[ember blaze]

kinda insulting theres several races like this with the same skeletons as stuff we can play

but instead we get more reskins

[rain cave]

I'd rather DH's become more independent of illidan identity wise

like sure he is THE demon hunter, but he's also the only one it feels like

other classes have atleast a couple characters to represent their specs and fantasies

but DH they had to kind of squeeze that 2nd spec out of nowhere a bit and that's why we don't have a 3rd, because the DH fantasy was so stuck with illidan

I do like the idea of a void DH spec since it inverts some of their traditional methodology, and embraces other aspects they already had more

DH's already like consuming souls and power, void is great for that. But also the focus on fire and fury is not present, a void DH would need to be more refined in their approach

their experience trying not to go mad would help as well

[upper pasture]

I mean, there’s really no getting around it Illidan is coming back and well like I said it could go either way, DHs learning to harness a power without him and him having to come to terms with it would definitely feel better to me. Gives room for other DH “heroes” to rise up for more story telling and gives room for Illidan to not be some gigachad DH know it all

[clear apex]

For a while druid used to be able to and blizzard said no fun

WoD, iirc

Id love them to add a cat race

[ember blaze]

like theyre using worgen skeleton right?

thats all the animations and mog work done

and it's a unique looking race

but nooooo, dwarf or elf reskin

watch midnights add a new elf but with purple eyes!

[clear apex]

Yeah it's just worgen

[deep pawn]

Worgen, undead, and Draenei are missing allied races

[clear apex]

Lightforged... ?

Are worgen just allied human races 🤔

And kul tiran are just chubby humans

So really just undead

[rain cave]

oh yeah he is coming back, but I mean more to your point of him being the one to teach them void stuff

I wouldn't be surprised if we even see him in midnight, just a bit later into the patches

[clear apex]

I feel like dhs on azeroth would teach Illidan if anything

He's off with the others

[rain cave]

something to the effect of him escaping the titans and falling back to azeroth, fallen angel style wings burnt up etc

[clear apex]

Void paladin lady tries to teach a DH, maybe the power is too clashy?

But maybe they let void elves become DH later

[rain cave]

I'm curious if by giving void elves DH that means we get nightborne as well?

to balance it

we know the nightborne have fel variants since we fought them, could reuse some of those assets

[clear apex]

What about nightborne paladin then?

Velf don't get that

Which is kind of stupid. Since most velf are sindorei and they just suddenly forgot how to be a paladin (though you'd gave to assume none of the velf ever were paladins)

[pulsar minnow]

I really wonder how nightborne demon hunters would look. The males are just so lanky and floaty to really fit with the demon hunter armor sets

[rain cave]

I mean I feel they wouldn't let the classes be imbalanced for a hero class

so we'd need a 2nd DH race on horde as well

[rain cave]

I think it's because the original void elves weren't paladins, but now they are training new recruits and one of them is a paladin so velf paladin will come

[rain cave]

they're the same as night elves and they make it work

[clear apex]

Yeah theyre the same model just smaller

[pulsar minnow]

They’re the same skeleton

Not model

[clear apex]

Well i mean their bodies are pretty much the same just slimmer

Same skinny waist and bigger shoulders. Different heads

[pulsar minnow]

I mean the nightborne model just has really bad proportions. Bird chest with tiny arms, huge hands, and no waist. It’s really hard to get it to work with a lot of sets that aren’t cloth

[clear apex]

I like them in heavy armor

[pulsar minnow]

As someone who used to main a nightborne

[clear apex]

Chonky

[pulsar minnow]

Idk I really couldn’t stand the giant ass shoulders connected to the really tiny wrists

And then the running animation is just god awful

[clear apex]

Yeah i have a lady nb and she just feels weird to play

[pulsar minnow]

Like female nightborne I think could work perfectly besides again the running animation

Male nightborne are just weird. Honestly nightborne in general are just weird. They still feel half baked

[glass flicker]

I hate their walking animation. Their arms are just stiff.

They won't move their arms while walking and it looks so bad.

The problem is that Nightborne use the Night Elf animations instead of having an unique model. And Night Elves are just a bit more beefy. Which makes the stiff animations actually look elegant.

[rain cave]

I find it funny that they made a new elf race, with lore about being spellcasters, racials that only benefit classes that do magic damage, but they have some of the worst casting animations

[glass flicker]

If you're skinnier, there should be a little more movement.

[rain cave]

I would love a race with elegant spellcasting

like a lil pirohuette when you throw a spell out

or that air/water bending vibe

[glass flicker]

That'd be nice. Then again, remember the WC3 Sorceress?

She was always floating.

Gimmie some of that.

[rain cave]

ask your priest to cast levitate on you xD

[pulsar minnow]

My disappointment after pre ordering BFA to play a nightborne only to see that god awful casting animation still haunts me to this day

[glass flicker]

It's not the same.

You won't always have a priest in your party.

[rain cave]

ik ik

levitate also just feels whack to me

[glass flicker]

It does.

[rain cave]

I really wanted to enjoy playing a nightborne but just can't get over the animations

[glass flicker]

Dracthyr do it well enough with Hover. Why can't we have such an ability on mages?

Remember Ice Floes? Why can't we glide on ice? Literally?

[rain cave]

next hero spec for mages let us go into overcharged mode and float around flinging mana intensified spells

[pulsar minnow]

I genuinely think Dracthyr animations are just too good. I can’t play any other caster now because of them. They have so much variety in breath attacks, casts, and empowered spells

[glass flicker]

There's a ton I'd change with WoW's animation.

Primarily with Outlaw Rogue, in this case.

See this? Yeah. Rogues use this animation for everything. And I'm tired of it.

[rain cave]

there's also the dreadful belf melee racial animations

[pulsar minnow]

You don’t like spinning and throwing nondescript objects?

[glass flicker]

Fan of Knives, Shuriken Storm, Blade Flurry, Feint, Roll the Bones.

Now it even plagues Windwalker. Whirling Dragon Punch and Slicing Winds.

[deep pawn]

It's just night elf animations

[glass flicker]

I do not subscribe to the "random BS go" mentality.

[rain cave]

yeah, that's my point

[glass flicker]

Please stop using that animation for everything, Blizzard.

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[pulsar minnow]

Have they announced or hinted at any classes next for animation/spell overhauls?

As time goes on I’m really starting to think Retribution desperately needs new animations

[glass flicker]

Ret is doing fine. Frost DK is the latest with new animations.

They're on the PTR.

[rain cave]

I would imagine paladin would get some touchups when they make it universal

but they're generally ok

[glass flicker]

I want some Windwalker changes.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, they’re carried by wake of ashes and blade of justice but god, judgement, divine storm, and Templars verdict look so bad. Really just the vfx that are the issue tho

[glass flicker]

They use the same animations for RSK, Blackout Kick, and Flying Serpent Kick since MoP.

I'm talking visual effects, not the animations themselves. Those are fine.

I'd also give them an unique interrupt animation that isn't just Brewmaster main hand melee.

[rain cave]

I actually dislike blade of justice

[glass flicker]

And let's not forget the crime of not using the Chi Burst animation at all, except for a talent nobody uses.

[rain cave]

sure the effect looks cool but I feel the spell is awkwardly place in the rotation

[glass flicker]

C'mon. Strike of the Windlord is the Brewmaster special, in code.

[rain cave]

is it meant to be weighty? it just feels like a wet noodle

[glass flicker]

It'd be cool if it'd go down on your target, not flare up.

[rain cave]

ret in general feels a bit like a spec where you roll your face on your keyboard and there's no particularly hard hitting spells

[glass flicker]

Kinda like Execution Sentence, but faster.

And, you know, a blade.

And, listen. How come Destro Lock lost the dragon head for Chaos Bolt?

Gimmie that back, at least as a glyph.

[rain cave]

yeah this was so foul to do to them

glyph atleast

I like both chaos bolts but the old one was more visually iconic

helped it stick out

since rn chaos bolt is just a big green blob basically

[glass flicker]

New Chaos Bolt looks nice, but I wish it would explode on impact with more visual flair, at least.

[rain cave]

whereas if you saw that dragon head heading to you you'd think twice

[glass flicker]

And give us more glyphs that are just weapon trail recolors.

I don't want my Arms Warrior to have blue weapon trails.

Wouldn't even be hard to implement. They've already done it with Execute thrice. You got Shadowlands Condemn, new Execute with a gold trail, and Slayer Execute with a bloody trail.

Why aren't those glyphs? I don't know. And neither does Blizzard!

I'm looking back at Crackling Chi Lightning, and how it has glyphs for every August Celestial. But noo, why would you want a red weapon trail for Mortal Strike, that also creates a bunch of sparks on hit? Nah, that would be lame. Right?

[ember blaze]

pretty much every single animation in the game

like those awful weapon animations and stances

im reminded every time i look at the trading post

[glass flicker]

Belf male 2H idle makes me retch.

No. Stop. That's just incorrect, what are you doing?

[ember blaze]

theyre all horrible

wow2 when

[clear apex]

I love when hunters torso twists and makes you super skinny

[deep pawn]

Gosh, so odds are 11.2.5 ptr will be up like the 14th before Gamescom.

I'm still thinking it won't have any story just an anniversary update

[rain cave]

just giving us the option to use more standardized animations would be nice

like I get racial identity is part of wanting to maybe keep them, but we should have the option to just enable some more default general animations

but if we had to redo one race belf is top of the list for melee

[crude sigil]

anniversary is at the end of the year, like November not August

[deep pawn]

11.2.5 won't go live until October and the roadmap tells us it has anniversary stuff

Ptr should be up the week after the patch based on normal pacing

11.2.7 is likely December

[zealous sedge]

I feel like remix will land halfway through 11.2.5 and 11.2.7

If it were released in 11.2.7 and that’s in December that feels too late

Also Alpha most certainly will go live in August right? I’m forgetting how long Alpha was for TWW but it’s evident they are really pushing to close the gap between .2 patches and new expansions. So I’m betting 6-8 weeks of Alpha and Beta goes like in late October/ Early November

[little hound]

I'm guessing somewhere near 11.2.5's end, and before 11.2.7. Remix lasts for what.. 2-3 months or so? Forgot how long MOP LAsted but.. It'll have to last for abit, and will probably end just as Midnight's Pre-patch is about to land.

[deep pawn]

The entire alphabeta process for TWW was like 4 months

So I'm expecting September or October alpha

MoP remix started in 10.2.7 and went into prepatch

[crude sigil]

I think Legion remix will be the same to wait until the prepatch (because no content on retail during few weeks)

[deep pawn]

So to compare, 10.2.7 launched May 7th and remix started on the 16th

So say 11.2.7 drops 12/2, remix starting 9 days after matches the roadmap pretty exactly

The 8 week cadence after 11.2 would say a week earlier but I'm delayed cause I can't see them patching the Tuesday before Thanksgiving

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that makes sense, it’s also a little wonky because MoP remix dropped during season 4 which started on April 23rd and we aren’t getting a season 4.

[strange hedge]

As a new player coming into end of season 2.....do we need to.complete the campaign storyline to the latest on order for us to get the reshi wraps? Or can it be done via a skip quest....etc ?

[dense plover]

probably wont need to do S2 story? hard to say

right now there are already alt skips for the campaign to the point of unlocking undermine and then a skip for that to unlock that too

[glass flicker]

I hope Blizzard makes it so you can view your characters' item levels on the warband character select screen.

They show your gold, professions, level, so why not ilvl?

[thin warren]

Why would you need that? Finding your strongest champion?

[hard axle]

I mean, for me, I'd find it useful to quickly recognize who I need to prioritize logging into to aim for more gear, specially at the end of a season when preparing for the next major content patch or expansion

[hard axle]

Oh, that Void Hunter triple boss fight, do we kill them, or?

[glass flicker]

Correct!

[glass flicker]

Jaren got it right.

Just makes it easier to know who I need to gear up in any given moment, since I play more than one character at once. My entire warband is 655+.

[upper pasture]

I just use wowthing and have the app running on my pc keeps all my stuff up to date and all of it is available on a webpage out of game

I’ve found out having a lot of alts means the game won’t always show professions and gold amount for some reason but wowthing does everything I need it to

[hard axle]

wowthing? what's that?

[little hound]

Or just.. Have a memory.

🧠

[glass flicker]

"Oh man, I've not played this alt since the start of the season! I remember being over item level 700, for sure!"
Checks.
Item level 699.

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[little hound]

Oh no, 1 ilvl difference. Crisis.

[glass flicker]

Yes, crisis.

[little hound]

Sounds like a very minimal priority, if even a priority at all.

[glass flicker]

If it's so minimal, why doesn't it exist already?

[little hound]

Because if its minimal, its not an urgent priority.

[glass flicker]

By trying to downplay it, you're just making it seem like a feature they could add in an afternoon.

You're not helping your argument, here.

[little hound]

Doubt they'll ever add it, so maybe you'll find an addon instead.

[glass flicker]

Maybe.

[lavish raptor]

I'd like that feature

Ilvl on the tooltips in warband

wouldnt be hard to add id imagine since they manage to have gold on there

[glass flicker]

It's not like I'm asking them to show the exact coordinates of your characters.

That'd take infinitely more resources.

[lavish raptor]

or their lockouts lol

[glass flicker]

Or their currencies other than gold.

[little hound]

I'm quite content with what they've given so far.

[lavish raptor]

how many level 80s do you all have

[glass flicker]

7, and like 21 above 70 but below 80.

[lavish raptor]

I have 26 across two accounts

[glass flicker]

I have so many high level warriors.

[lavish raptor]

I need to finish leveling my level 75/76s to 80 next week (or maybe I should wait until classic timewalking)

[lavish raptor]

lmfao I'm trying to get more lv80 mages for farming SL content

Tmog farming toons?

[little hound]

May i ask why you'd make MAGES In specific for that ?

[glass flicker]

You could say that.

[lavish raptor]

Arcane mage is cracked in SL content

[glass flicker]

Slow fall.

[little hound]

Fair. Using my 677 arcane to tickle bosses. Feeling kinda empty, i'm just missing 1 Mount from this drop increase event.

[glass flicker]

Chug a speed potion before jumping and slow falling off a cliff, and you're going further than a goblin glider.

[lavish raptor]

See

[little hound]

Well aware.

[lavish raptor]

[glass flicker]

Dracthyr ain't got nothin' on Slow Fall.

[lavish raptor]

that's why you get a dracthyr mage

[little hound]

I tried once, then i realised: I'm alergic to scalies.

Scalies & Gnomes.

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/2119874/10

[deep pawn]

Monday build feels so weird

[upper pasture]

"Valorstones are no longer reset upon the start of a new season." what's this

oh rip void storage and reagent bank D:

[lavish raptor]

I can't wait to lose all of my stuff in void storage

[deep pawn]

I don't think I have much in it haha

So they're giving us a bunch of tabs for free?

[upper pasture]

where else am i supposed to put the legendaries they won't let me delete

[deep pawn]

Oh gods this is gonna brick bagnon so hard

[lavish raptor]

I have some items that don't exist in the game anymore in Void Storage

They're gonna disappear

[upper pasture]

move them into your regular bank then

[lavish raptor]

Can't

They crash my game and disappear when I try to withdraw them

[upper pasture]

have you tried to disable all addons and try?

[lavish raptor]

nah it has nothing to do with my add-ons

[deep pawn]

The blue post already said the conversion will move anything in void storage to the bank

[lavish raptor]

They're just not supposed to exist

[deep pawn]

Oh, you have item IDs that were completely removed?

Take a screenshot, effectively as useful as they are now

[upper pasture]

hopefully it doesn't brick your account lol

[deep pawn]

Conversion fails and you can never access bank again

[lavish raptor]

RIP my panda shaman

[deep pawn]

Oh so you had items that didn't get squished properly

[lavish raptor]

No

It's from remop

this shit is gonna brick my shaman

[little hound]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/valorstones-no-longer-reset-with-new-seasons-in-patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-377758#comments

YAY

[deep pawn]

So we're technically getting a ton more bank space

Oh gods it's for housing isn't it

[upper pasture]

and for "free" too rip being a tailor and making money off selling bags lol

no, i don't think housing items take up bag space

[deep pawn]

My math says 768 slots

[upper pasture]

how? it's 1 plus 6 buyable ones?

so 686

unless it's literally just 6 tabs which makes it less than that which would be 588

[deep pawn]

Oh I read 8 I thought oops

[zealous sedge]

I feel like housing stuff should have its own inventory in the house itself

Like a “storage chest”

[little hound]

It will have.

There is a "Housing Tab" revealed in one of the previews.

Or did they call it 'Furniture tab'? Whatever, its confirmed it'll have its own "Inventory", but it'll probably be a UI Inventory only accessible in the housing area.

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/guide/systems/player-housing-decor-items

[deep pawn]

okay, so most of my characters have already emptied their void storage lol

gods, this is a time capsule of what I was trying to do on my DK during Cata.

man, life before the collection tabs, so glad classic has it already

I saved two Souldrinkers haha

[little hound]

I shoved most of my legacy items in the garrison bank.

[zealous sedge]

I’m just awaiting the inevitable outrage when the people that didn’t notice have all there stuff get move/ deleted

Presumably stuff will get sent to mailbox no?

I haven’t read the post yet

[upper pasture]

moved to the new bank

[zealous sedge]

Ah never mind yes

I just read it

[deep pawn]

just merged

I'd hope in its own tab at first

[deep pawn]

I really hope we don't have another gbank situation though

[little hound]

[zealous sedge]

This is my fear

[dense plover]

Looks like it won’t have the same problem because it’s moving items

People have been saying it works perfectly on ptr

My guess is they won’t literally delete the tabs on 11.2 launch

So the issue from before will be gone

I’m betting all of the tabs are still going to be kept behind the scenes to make sure items are properly moved

[lavish raptor]

itll work in 99% of situations

after i finish this sofo run ill test ptr on my shammer

[lavish raptor]

well i guess I should be glad it didnt explode

[finite kayak]

WTB more tabs for warband. Another 2-3 tabs on warband would easily be worth more than several tabs on every character.

Or a proper reagent bank for warband. One that holds larger stacks, made to handle the x3 versions of every material, etc.

[thin warren]

Lol, I only have 2 warbandtabs

And space left

[deep pawn]

I've only bought one haha

[zealous sedge]

I think they should really lower the Warband bank tab cost. When guild bank tabs and now personal bank tabs are a fraction it doesn’t make much sense in my mind

[deep pawn]

gold sink

lower hoarding

who knows

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1945106078804348951

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Great things in store for @Warcraft at @gamescom!

⭐ Midnight Expansion Reveal & Gameplay Showcase
🏠 Housing Demos
👀 Creator Clash Live

It all kicks off with a World Premiere of the Midnight Cinematic on Opening Night Live!
Broadcast starts at 2p ET / 11a PT / 8p CEST.

X · Jul 15, 2025, 1:00 PM

[rain cave]

I know we were expecting it but

cinematic pog

[warm topaz]

that art tho

[tropic trail]

Damn nice

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1945110863158845465

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

This social media-specific version of the promo image has a little sneak peek of Silvermoon down in the corner 👀

X · Jul 15, 2025, 1:19 PM

[mighty wolf]

Is that Elune on the background?

[rain cave]

those gauntlets looks quite azshari

[little hound]

Am i delusional or does that sky look like a face?

[tropic trail]

Looks like Algalon

[pulsar minnow]

Based on that key art I think blizz might be looking to leverage the tech they tested out with Beledar

I doubt they’d make the expansion completely covered in darkness, but having an invasion every hour or few minutes would definitely give it a good balance

[zealous sedge]

Could totally see this happening. Void portal opening in the sky same way Beledar turned purple.

The question is Xal controlling the void armies or is she still stuck in the dark heart

I’m guessing all will be revealed in the cinematic

Imagine they spell out Xal’s back story in the launch cinematic (in terms of where she came from and her relationship with Dimensius). Would have to be particularly long though I think.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean we probably already know the answer based on the raid ending

|| Xal’Atath consumes Dimensius and becomes a void lord ||

She’s likely the one in control

[zealous sedge]

Oh I see I thought she still got stuck in the dark heart

[pulsar minnow]

I think she does but that still happens, idk the order or whatnot.

Just to be clear take what I say with a grain of salt. I don’t really have the proof to what I said beyond a few users saying that it was found in datamined voice lines- but it definitely seems to be where this is all heading so I believe it

[zealous sedge]

I agree. I’ve also read the theory that maybe she switched bodies with Alleria somehow. I could also see Alleria breaking Xal out because she finally succumbed to the whispers of the void.

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t mind that idea I just think it needs to be done right. She’s gotten so much better over the years at combatting the whispers, so in my mind she’d have to be really broken down to let them in

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I agree I feel like something really traumatizing would have to happen for her to succumb to it. Like her son dying or something

[pulsar minnow]

Arator dying in midnight would be an insane twist actually

But it almost seems like they want him to be the central character of the next expansion?

[zealous sedge]

I agree.

I wish they continued Anduin’s story a little more

Like is he even present on K’aresh?

[pulsar minnow]

Anduin dipped after 11.0 😭

[zealous sedge]

Yeah it’s sad. I know he got his light back but it still feels unfinished

I thought he was gonna be central for all 3 expansions in some way

[pulsar minnow]

They put him in front of Alleria in all the marketing only to rug pull him the moment he got his powers back

[zealous sedge]

Unless Metzen was like we have to tie up his story and this is the best way to do it since they fucked up so badly in SL

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah. He’s in a good spot now. War within really was just a setup expansion and tying up a few loose ends

Sucks to say but oh well

World soul saga here we (for real this time?) go

[zealous sedge]

I’m still firmly believing TWW really was a hard reset expansion in terms of story to fix and tie up everything since BfA (except for the sword lol)

[pulsar minnow]

What sword

[zealous sedge]

TWW is still probably an A tier expansion for me

If we consider everything

[pulsar minnow]

Oh yeah, the gearing curve and alt friendliness are fantastic this expansion. I wish we coulda had more story and more content that isn’t just revisited old things, but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the seasonal gameplay

[zealous sedge]

Yeah the revisited content kinda feels like they wanted TWW in and out and it really was all about Midnight and TLT from the beginning. As you said it was a set up expansion. It’s more of a prologue than part one.

I think delves were a huge hit

[lavish raptor]

TWW had its own story originally

[zealous sedge]

Yeah also that fact

Midnight is probably entirely Metzen’s brain child for better or for worse

[pulsar minnow]

Also, character wishlist for midnight: Arator, Vereesa, Shandris, Thalyssra, Lor’themar, Rokhan, (Alleria and Turalyon obv), Calia, Liadrin, and then maybe Anduin and Thrall can sit on a rock and talk a bit more in the background

Maybe Sylvanas too but they gotta be careful with how they do it

[zealous sedge]

At this point Thrall and Anduin just can be narrators.

[pulsar minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

Anduin and thrall in the marketing please buy the expansion…

[zealous sedge]

I feel like if Sylvanas returns it’s gonna be at the end of the expansion after we “lose”

Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man’s Chest style where Barbosa appears to the crew after Jack dies

[pulsar minnow]

I can see her returning but my big question is just how- mainly because they didn’t really explain how getting to and from the place works after the end of the expansion. The veil to the shadowlands is weakest at the top of Icecrown- so you’d think we’d have to go there again?

[zealous sedge]

But also what about Vol’jin? I thought his return was hinted too. I also don’t know how that works with SL stuff

[rain cave]

not sure if it'll be at the end

I'm thinking mid expansion, when we realize things are bad

and voljin I imagine will be summoned as a loa to help with the amani stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Would be awesome to see Loa Vol’jin make an appearance in Zul’aman questing

Oh also isn’t Talanji a priest? She’d definitely be in this expansion then too after being sidelined for so long

[rain cave]

if turalyon doesn't get a new model at some point I'm going all in on him dying

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t see a reason for him to get a new model tbh

His armor is just too damn cool

Can’t fix perfection

Joking ofc

[rain cave]

his model is looking a bit older compared to some of the people around him

[zealous sedge]

I know Lor’themar had a recent model update but he should get another

[rain cave]

like sure legion stuff ages better than pre-legion but you can definetly tell

also alleria got one, I could see him getting a new look

especially with the arathi around, him not being as tied to the lightforged draenei now

he's effectively still wearing his cosmic space armour lmao

[pulsar minnow]

I feel like Lor’themars model holds up amazingly well

Idk if he needs a new one

[rain cave]

yeah it was a BFA model, when they'd sort of figured out their high rez stuff

[zealous sedge]

It’s a long shot but if they truly revamp everything north of the Thandol Span it would be great to see some worgen stuff

Because we did have that small questline at the end of DF to retake gilneas

[rain cave]

I imagine the worgen will be present in some capacity. Even if just a minor one

just simply because I imagine there will also be somedevelopment to the forsaken and the night elves as well, both races that are related to worgen

[zealous sedge]

Isn’t there also a night elf base in hinterlands?

[rain cave]

I could definetly see the worgen having an influence on the other elves to accept the naga back in

and the whole giving naga an elf form thing for playability reasons

[pulsar minnow]

From what it sounds like to me it appears they’re taking the ghostlands, silvermoon, and Quel Danas and expanding them into 4 zones

[zealous sedge]

That’s the most likely scenario + zul aman

[pulsar minnow]

My hope is it’s Zul Aman, silvermoon city, eversong woods, and ghostlands at launch

Quel Danas for 12.1

[rain cave]

ghostlands + undead
silvermoon/surrounding area + void forces
Zul'aman + void trolls
Quel'danas + void and light forces fighting?

first 3 are more of a stronger bet I feel

quel'danas does make more sense as like a raid area or patch place

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that’s what I think too

[zealous sedge]

I keep asking for this every time we bring up Midnight but we also need to advance the Draenei a little bit. Revamped starting zone/ The Exodar able to fly again, etc.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s where the sunwell is- doubt we’d go there in the first patch

[rain cave]

I imagine that would probably be linked to whatever light story we have

[pulsar minnow]

It would be criminal if the army of the light forged don’t show up

At any point

[rain cave]

like velen further becoming less faithful in the light

I'm expecting to fight some tyrannical light forces at some point

[zealous sedge]

Agreed. If they are gonna revamp the oldest zones in the game that should include Draenei

Yeah cultish light forces is definitely a given

Could see them team up with the Red Dawn?

[rain cave]

I'm expecting Y'rel to appear in a light raid with a tyrant velhari style fight

just as a nod to close her story out

since I doubt that plot thread will ever be core

[uncut vault]

They’ve fully ignored that part of the shadowlands ending pretty much immediately since it ended lol

[zealous sedge]

What if we see Turalyon get radicalized by the light and he becomes a bad dude

[uncut vault]

Tyrande and Malfurion go to Ardenweald on a casual jaunt to help Ysera, even before the plot urgency of the situation that needed her

[rain cave]

convinced that turalyon going radical light is just a red herring

fully on the train that he will do something to make us think he is, but then when he learns their true intentions he will immediately turn his back on them

[zealous sedge]

It’s all gonna get retconned some how

[rain cave]

I mean sylvanas isn't dead dead

so technically she doesn't need a switcheroo to get out of the shadowlands like ysera did

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I could see that or Anduin could guide him back since he’s someone where the pendulum has swung super far in terms of the light

[uncut vault]

Oh she doesn’t, she’s very easy to bring back even on a temporary stay of penance for good behavior lol

[rain cave]

can totally see the windrunner sisters begging tyrande to let her out in a moment of desperation

[zealous sedge]

Or… she finished her punishment. Whatever it was

[rain cave]

and tyrande being reluctant but being like fine

I really hope they lean into the elf reunification literally and have all the different factions interacting

i get a lot of joy seeing characters who don't usually interact with eachother get paired up or have story involvement

like tyrande and sylvanas was a fun duo to see on screen since they didn't talk at all really before, and we got to see tyrande basically being turned into what sylvanas was

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but didn’t they go through the dream to get there?

[uncut vault]

Nope, straight through a portal from the Dragon Isles to Ardenweald haha

[pulsar minnow]

God that’s so lame lmfao

I feel like bringing Sylvanas back in that way would feel sorta anti climactic

It’s a crackpot theory so don’t take me seriously- but in my mind I saw Sylvanas returning in the Last Titan. The Primus is supposedly friends in some way with Aman’thul, and I always liked the theory that he was the real jailer all along

So I could imagine him breaking the rift again to help the titans in a confrontation, and Sylvanas would return that way

But there needs to be a lot of setup around that wacky idea lol

But most likely yall are right and Sylvanas just gets brought to Quel Thalas because Xal Atath’s invasion “breaks reality” in some way and boom she’s in midnight now

[rain cave]

if they want a cinematic way to bring sylvanas out, I'm sure they could asspull tyrande recalling her bird as a way to bring sylvanas back

queue some vaguely eluney magic, hear her bird, sylvanas banshees down from the moon or something

sort of thing where I expect them to fully rule of cool it

[pulsar minnow]

I forgot Tyrande stuck her judgey ass bird on Sylvanas

It could be kinda cool if they had her bird lurking around Quel Thalas during questing

Like you’d see it watching you in a tree in a subtle hint to the fact that Sylvanas finished her penance and has returned to help us

[deep pawn]

Hah, I called just the housing demo at Gamescom

Also, if Silvermoon is "ruined" it's pretty damn hard to be our hub.

Light's Hope or whatever the Argent Crusade hub is could be a major city by now

[pulsar minnow]

I doubt silvermoon is going to be destroyed

It’s under attack but so was dalaran in legion

[deep pawn]

Just going off the alt text lol

[rain cave]

my bet is silvermoon turns into a suramar style thing

and either isle of queldanas is our base or we end up having to push in from stratholme or lights hope

[deep pawn]

I mean Light's Hope Chapel is still one of the strongest places of the light ever from all the paladins who died there

Have the Vindicaar nearby where we access the Netherlight Crucible...

[lavish raptor]

I mean there was a whole questline about how they wanted to build an actual draenei city

They might revamp Azuremyst and Bloodmyst in Midnight too

[deep pawn]

Yeah but unless the story implies the entire Eastern Kingdoms are unsafe to be in Azuremyst is absurdly far away

[lavish raptor]

Wouldn't make much sense to update northern EK but not the other remaining TBC zone on azeroth...

[pulsar minnow]

the story is centering on Quel'thalas, the Elves, and Light vs Void. The Void is specifically targetting the "Elf Wells." Kalimdor wouldn't really have anything to do with the story here

[lavish raptor]

Could serve as an Alliance base though if the Horde is still skeeved around Alliance in Silvermoon

[deep pawn]

Who knows. It's just to me hard to expect them to do two zones on the other side of the world if they aren't levelling zones and

We've already been told that Midnight is just 4 zones like the last 3 expansions

Nordrassil and Hyjal still has power

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but not as strong as Quel'thalas clearly

[deep pawn]

There's more Elf wells on Kalimdor

[pulsar minnow]

also those wells have nothing to do with the light vs void conflict

so they're just there and not important to the expansion theme

But we know for a fact the void is interested in what powers the elf wells as seen from the books found in k'aresh

[deep pawn]

We don't know if that's the void

My guess is that is Denathrius

That Ethereal's master is explicitly not the void

[lavish raptor]

We are gonna build a city. A home for the Draenei. Not anytime soon though. we gotta help the stupid elves.

[deep pawn]

There's a possibility the cinematic is just a vision one of Velen, Anduin, or Alleria receives as a warning

Would just be what happens if we fail

[lavish raptor]

remember when the blood elves tortured a naaru and then felt bad about it later. then velen grabbed the remainder of the naaru's light to purify the sunwell.

[deep pawn]

Odds are the dark heart is dropped into the Sunwell to open a portal just like what Kil'jaeden did

[lavish raptor]

I think the Draenei will get involved somehow because of that relation. Maybe prepatch zone if we are really lucky.

Hang on lemme look at the roadmap

"new content" woweee so specific

[pulsar minnow]

it doesn't really matter what Shadreen serves. Shadreen is pointing out that the power from the wells and its origin are the reason it gets invaded so often

[deep pawn]

Haha, the sun gator is related to just a 6 month sub offer

Mmo-c speculation thread in shambles /s

[plain violet]

Do you have the book name? :o

[pulsar minnow]

Mysterious Notebook

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/object=558105/mysterious-notebook#criteria-of

[plain violet]

Thanks you! 🙏🏽

[zealous sedge]

Kind of a cool mount but what about the 1 year sub

[deep pawn]

Still active

If you have an existing 6 or 12 month sub you just get this offer

[dense plover]

yep - usually just takes a few days

[rain cave]

I don't think this will be the opening

I think the sunwell will be under attack from the start, and that will be a clear goal of the void, but I don't think the expansion opens with it

[deep pawn]

eh, I don't know what else could turn the entire world to midnight

Like we open with the world in darkness

[rain cave]

who says the whole expansion is entire world in midnight?

[rain cave]

is that confirmed though

[deep pawn]

course not but everything talks about midnight starting very dark and the expansion is about sealing it up

[rain cave]

the thing I'm concerned about is if they play that as their opening card, the void have already achieved their goal

like sure we can fight back from there but it would be like legion opening with tomb of sargeras if you feel me

also the portals in the key art are above silvermoon, like they're deploying on to silvermoon to take the sunwell

kiljaeden's portal was literally from the well itself. Ofc they can change that there's no reason it has to stay that

just having the sunwell be the primary plotpoint of the first raid and launch patch makes more sense to me, like how raszageth and the vault of the incarnates was the thing that kickstarted the plot in dragonflight

gives the void more clear intentions, an understanding of what they want and why we're fighting

[deep pawn]

First patch trolls, second patch Denathrius, final patch we go through sunwell to fight the void in the void itself

[rain cave]

you think denathrius will be an antagonist this xpac?

just curious to pick your brains on that

I was thinking he'd maybe end up being an ally of convenience if he appeared this xpac

[deep pawn]

I think he's Shadreen's master

and thus interested in elf wells for his own reasons

[rain cave]

hm

[deep pawn]

I mean what other baddy would care that much about studying our fashions

I just want a Denathrius and Dreadlord raid recalling all his spies

Give is Lothraxion, a life Dreadlord, etc

[rain cave]

still convinced the life dreadlord is manipulating harranir society

hence why they're being so "do not interfere" despite the roots being corrupted

eyes of green. vassal of life hides trearchery, and all that..

[deep pawn]

Watch Haranir have a elf well of their own that is like a purer well of eternity

[rain cave]

well of eterinitest

[pulsar minnow]

dimensius' presence over karesh gave the sky an eternal midnight

So xal's presence alone will likely cause the "midnight"

[deep pawn]

she isn't the all devouring yet

[pulsar minnow]

but we know she consumes him

thereby becoming a void lord

[upper pasture]

man, if Xal becomes a void lord the worst possible outcome will happen....

she will lose her feet 😦

[pulsar minnow]

she'll pull a ragnaros

blizz would never do that to us

how else will we be able to tell when she enters a scene?!

[rain cave]

Death comes for the sole of your world

[ember blaze]

why is sylvanas the only npc mog blizz is ok with giving out? 🤔

let me farm NPC gear mog

[deep pawn]

I mean they put it on the trading post no?

Hunter's have gotten 2 different Sylv themed sets

[ember blaze]

the point is any npc gear at all

why is it only sylvanas

[deep pawn]

She sells subs

Also, I'm still really not liking the resto druid spell updates

Blue butterflies has always been Resto shamans thing

[hard axle]

Do the Reshii Wraps have other colors you can unlock?
You know, to match the other Zone Gear colors

[deep pawn]

No

They have a matching helm and shoulders but that's it

[hard axle]

thank you

[glass flicker]

She sells subs by the seashore, but the value of these shells will fall.

Oh oops, I messed it up.

Not fixing it now.

[austere gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/arya-aryastark-go-t-gameof-thrones-oysters-gif-11039502

[quartz lintel]

Keep in mind the bloodqueen armor icon datamined, and see ya the 19th

[deep pawn]

Eh?

I mean I've speculated about Denathrius allying with the remaining Sanlayn, but I'm pretty sure Lana'thel is dead dead

I'd expect the blood queen set to either be trading post or store

Preorder armor sets generally have some connection to the main story

Storm rider, eternal traveller, the dragon wings

Nothing about Midnight's main arc suggests that Sanlayn are primary antagonists

So yeah I think store set like the Dreadlord

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/icons/name:blood?filter=15;2;110200 Aforementioned icons

it's Lana'thel's armor but with dinky tiny wings haha

[little hound]

Dinky little wings looks so stupid, wish they'd give proper sized wings..

[deep pawn]

too much clipping

this set looks like it's reskinning the paladin tier armor

These I mean

maybe a tad less silly than the dreadlord wings

yeah, I want San'layn but preorder stuff usually doesn't get leaked does it?

[lavish raptor]

maybe its related to Lemix

[deep pawn]

wouldn't fit there

probably just a store bundle

[little hound]

Yeeh. Its most likely a random store bundle, or a future trading post set. It doesn’t fit with Legion Remix or Midnight at all

Lana’thel was Undead (San’layn). So she sadly doesnt fit the mold

[lavish raptor]

i mean they had a "BAD END" timeline planned for Lemix too

but yeah might be a store bundle

[deep pawn]

Except San'layn are only in WotLK and BfA

[upper pasture]

maybe in TLT they will have some sort of in /shrug but too soon to even guess i suppose

[deep pawn]

I mean I've speculated Denathrius + San'layn teamup, but that wouldn't be a preorder armor bonus

[austere gazelle]

Why is everyone acting hyped and surprised about seeing Silvermoon in the splash art of Midnight ?

We knew that we would go back to Silvermoon city when they announced midnight, why everyone acting surprised? The hype is beyond me at this point xD I'm more hyped by the void cloud and the uber void walker than silvermoon at this point

[upper pasture]

It’s actually just the jailers head not a Pilar from silver moon city. George is back baby

[deep pawn]

Are people surprised?

I've seen most discussion around whether Silvermoon is ruined or our hub

I would be okay with Light's Hope and Tyr's Hand being our hubs.

Starting the expansion with that being the last bastion of Light in the continent of Lordaeron.

[austere gazelle]

You wouldn't believe how many people discover that there is Silvermoon on this pic and are like " ??? We returning to Quel Thalas ?? !! "

I would be more surprised and pleased if the whole Tirisfal / Plaguelands ( renamed new Lordaeron ? ) would be included in this expansion

[upper pasture]

Honestly I’m not surprised we were told we were gonna “lose” in TWW yet people still think we’re coming out on top, hell they are gonna watch the trailer for midnight and still think we’re “winning”

[deep pawn]

I don't think we really lost in K'aresh

The loss will be in prepatch or whatever

It'd be as big a "loss" as The Eternal Palace was I suppose

[deep pawn]

I mean it's been almost 2 years since Blizzcon and lots of people have only come back to TWW

So lots likely didn't watch the saga announcement

Oh shoot, I didn't realize overcharged delves were 100% going away. Need to get the belt maxed out on all chars I guess

Yes it gets replaced with a hero or myth belt, but still nice to have

[pulsar minnow]

I’ve seen a ton of it too

I think. There’s just a decent subset of the player base that just doesn’t read any outside stuff on the game and thereby has no idea

[warm topaz]

i feel like that's the majority of the player base

[pulsar minnow]

Eh I doubt it honestly. I think most players have heard of WoWhead or at least know next expansion is in Quel Thalas

Like to be completely and utterly cut off from the community of an mmo is hard to do. Even people I know that are incredibly casual at the game and only run delves and world quests still know this stuff

[warm topaz]

yeah that for sure, I meant that the majority of players don't check forums, yt videos etc..

they just play the game and when there's something big like a x.1/x.2/expansion announcement, they tune in

but they don't follow PTR cycles etc

[pulsar minnow]

That’s what I mean though, I don’t think that’s the majority of players. It’s definitely a good portion but of the entire player base? Definitely not a majority

Because if these are the players that only sub for a .1 or .2 then they’re not playing the other entire half of the season

[austere gazelle]

but I guess a majority follows the blizzcon announcement...

[pulsar minnow]

I mean you don’t really need to watch blizzcon to know midnight is in Quel Thalas. Mainly because of word of mouth

[clear apex]

Man i hope the gamescom will also have some kind of limited demo thing for people who can't attend

*for housing

[dense plover]

no chance

its gonna be there only so they can control every aspect

[clear apex]

I don't expect there to be, just something i wish they'd do

But, according to the roadmap it'll be here in winter 25

Or very late fall

[dense plover]

it just says winter

so it could be january-march

yes its the 2025 roadmap, but this doesnt technically exclude 2026

[clear apex]

The icon is on the map for this year, why would they not release it this year

Likely not full release though

[dense plover]

because it might not be finished idk

[clear apex]

Beta edition

[pulsar minnow]

they will definitely release it in some way this year to test at home

roadmap says early winter for Housing which can be December

But even then if that's pre-patch we'll have already had it on beta (which odds are might go live soon after gamescom)

[upper pasture]

The roadmap isnt really just 2025 persay, think of it as the fiscal year and not the actual calendar year

[pulsar minnow]

well yeah but by early winter it includes december

but Im guessing they'll wait til after the holidays

[latent umbra]

is mop beta down ?

if not how do i acess mop ?

[pulsar minnow]

Watching Metzens segment about midnight again, it’s beginning to sound like the blood elves are going to pull a Locus Walker and use the Sunwell to create a barrier around Quel Thalas

The voids goal is to snuff out the sunwell and plunge the planet into darkness. So thankfully we will likely have silvermoon city as our hub again

[deep pawn]

The image we have implies Silvermoon is ruined, but that could just be a Velen Vision

And Wells so far haven't been snuffed out for good until the entire region is hard destroyed like in the Sundering

[deep pawn]

ptr is patching, let's go notes

build 62049

[lavish raptor]

those numbers when reordered are nice

[harsh mason]

Guys

https://youtu.be/OqsYiQYpYTc?si=Z4ai-PiiGHSvEYD4

[little hound]

I like how it starts by screamin: "DI-MEN-SIUS! DI-MEN-SIUS!" Loud as FUCK

My ears bounced 2 inches.

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIf-K6IuSw

i like this one a lot

it reminds me a bit to Harry Potter

[upper pasture]

dimensius 12 slaps

[zealous sedge]

Definitely sounds like it could be the final phase music for the Dimensius fight

[zealous sedge]

It sounds like we are getting Legion Artifact Weapons in remix based off the post today. Just not the Mage Tower or PvP recolors.

[upper pasture]

i think that's what everyone expected, just wondering what they will do for evokers

[deep pawn]

Pvp was disabled in MoP remix

[quartz lintel]

Some ppl think that for Legion Remix, envokers will get a special hallclass, based on the Infinite Dragonflight. The artefact could be the mysterious Nozdormu Scythe datamined this year

[upper pasture]

The what now? Noz scythe? Did I miss something lol

[deep pawn]

it'll just be the timeways we use for m+, it'll have portals to the 4 zones like Warrior does, done.

Dimensius is by far the most lyrics they've used in music for a long time.

I'd still kill for an FF14 take on Dimensius music.

but this is a close as WoW will go I feel.

[upper pasture]

We got some Latin in some of the tracks too I believe

[deep pawn]

that's what I meant by lyrics

[upper pasture]

Personally I think it’s amazing and I think having any “normal” language is just weird ig

[pulsar minnow]

The image shows the void invading. Not the city destroyed. It’s under attack.

But yeah it could be either

[deep pawn]

just going what the alt text says

"In the background you see a faded and destroyed land that is shrouded by a similar shadow that the creatures are made of."

[pulsar minnow]

Praying to all that is holy they don’t bring us back to Quel Thalas only to destroy Silvermoon lol

[upper pasture]

honestly i'm more interested in what is in the darker blue spot at the very top...do i spy dalaran??

[deep pawn]

lol no

at best it's the sky above the eye of the storm

[upper pasture]

but you can see what looks to be a rock cluster with a city on it

[deep pawn]

I think you're reading too much into a few pixels

[pulsar minnow]

It could be just the textured brushes Bayard Wu used

[lavish raptor]

its johannes mutter

[pulsar minnow]

Oh is it?

[lavish raptor]

yeah

commonly known as

joe mama

[pulsar minnow]

😦

[lavish raptor]

[pulsar minnow]

I fell right into that so hard lmfao

[pulsar minnow]

Oh Kyle, you probably noticed btw but some are pointing out how the Dimensius theme’s chorus is kind of spelling out “Di - Men - si - us!” A few times throughout the chorus - definitely taking some pages from final fantasy

Tbh Dimensius’ theme is almost reminding me of Soken’s work. I’m so down for this direction

[upper pasture]

i wouldn't say it's "kinda"" spelling it out, it most definitely IS chanting his name

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah bad wording on my end

That said I only skipped straight to 12 because you said it slapped

[upper pasture]

12 does indeed slap lol

[pulsar minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/powerslap-slap-ko-knockout-slap-huge-slap-big-slap-gif-7471918422486227772

[upper pasture]

harder

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-slap-meme-slap-gif-slap-head-gif-14757072629767529364

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that’s about right

I don’t think I’ve ever been as hyped for a raid boss as Dimensius (and the mf hasn’t even had any dialogue)

And this music just sealed it

[deep pawn]

Dimensius is closer to ff14 music, but still, give me more.

[upper pasture]

dimensius will probably have my favorite fight soundtrack and by miles

[pulsar minnow]

It’s crazy how Dimensius completely overshadows George the jailer by just sheer aura

[upper pasture]

my poor raid group is gonna have to put up with me turning off all other sounds for that fight lol

[pulsar minnow]

Oh 100% for sure

Boss music is ruined for me after playing FF16

Nothing comes as close to Ascendance, Cascade, Find the Flame, Heart of Stone, etc..

[pulsar minnow]

Muting dbm for the music

[upper pasture]

oh 1000%

[pulsar minnow]

Watch them not even use 12 and instead 3 for the whole fight

[upper pasture]

12 and beyond has to be the last phase of the fight

now which one i'm not sure

[pulsar minnow]

Secret phase maybe (copium)

[upper pasture]

secret phase is just us hitting Xal until she binds us wit hthe wraps and takes the power all for herself

[pulsar minnow]

Secret phase is Xal putting shoes on

[little hound]

Wipe mechanic: She puts socks on first

[glass flicker]

https://youtu.be/OqsYiQYpYTc?si=Lqic2RqeJtqMwzUZ

Blizzard listened to me and added some proper boss fight music.

Suck it, naysayers.

This is how you boss fight.

[austere gazelle]

It's Xalatath's bottom

[glass flicker]

Nah, it's her heel.

[little hound]

My «nay» was towards you wanting WoW to be more like FFXIV. Good music is always a must

[little hound]

I’m stealing this.

[harsh mason]

Gally still has the best boss fight OST

But there's a really cool thing in Domensius's ost: it's a real Latin text.

[quartz lintel]

This scythe

[pulsar minnow]

thats actually a really good catch!

It definitely could work as an artifact, hope they give it a few more appearanced, even if thats just recolors

[harsh mason]

This is Nozdormu's personal scythe, and he is depicted with it in the 10.2 key art. However, he does not use it in the game itself, as he fights in his Dragon form during the story campaign.

Therefore, I think players will never be given this scythe.

[glass flicker]

Alexstrasza also has a staff she doesn't use.

[little hound]

Same can be said for the TW Cosmetics we can buy now. Maybe when DF Timewalking becomes a thing

[glass flicker]

Yeah, some of them are NPC weapons/armors.

We didn't have the Ravencrest plate set before Legion timewalking.

[pulsar minnow]

I feel like Nozdormu’s scythe would be the perfect artifact weapon for Evokers in a time running scenario

“Here, borrow my scythe”

https://www.wowhead.com/icon=4690697/inv-staff-2h-nozdormuscythe-d-01

Also it does have an item icon

[plain violet]

God that music is so good.

[harsh mason]

Deathwing also had a mace in Cataclysm on all the concept art, I don't remember if there's a model in the game

[pulsar minnow]

There is

https://external-preview.redd.it/IMxPGYKCqWsKlVCEMb2UQJVNeq2M3MpbIVuCdQOqqn8.jpg?auto=webp&s=5e27332955db5b80c80df0fab95540aff56e576b

Still not obtainable so it’s possible

Oh nvm- it’s obtainable in game.

[uncut vault]

It’s coming in a few weeks

With Cata timewalking

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I saw that like right after

Spoke too soon lol

Idk I feel like the Nozdormu Scythe feels most like an artifact on first glance. Maybe just missing the iconic legion artifact glow

[lavish raptor]

just zsush it up

[upper pasture]

dang rip scarizard

[warm topaz]

god damn, he is the goat

https://x.com/ScarizardPlays/status/1946300553069576337

theyhachi mishima (@ScarizardPlays)

it’s been a very emotional day but I wanna get it all out at once so here goes: I’m leaving blizzard! Last day is 7/25.

4 years is as far as I go; really proud of what I got to contribute to this insane, reality-defying project and couldn’t have asked for a better team <3. o7

X · Jul 18, 2025, 8:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5sXCmLsMBw

amazing person

[deep pawn]

The fact he's outright saying the Cadence was too much for his health is bittersweet, I like the cadence but there's a reason Square swapped to such a long cadence citing worker health

[elfin eagle]

Music is very good

But I want to give a shout out to the vibes of mana forge omega, it’s peaceful yet super ominous and imposing, it’s perfect after undermine

[rain cave]

I understand them wanting a quicker cadence but also it feels like the .5 and .7 patches are skippable

because they either add borrowed power that will go away within a few months, or have events/new grinds that just feel underbaked

like all the dream surges, fyrakk assaults in DF were just nothing burger content to me

same with siren isle, and the nightfall stuff

I like a big juicy patch personally

though these days I do struggle to figure out what keeps me subbed, it's mostly just the story.

[upper pasture]

i feel like the "Crunch" is only temporary until they get ahead of the WS saga but also i guess it sorta also depends on what they plan to add

[rain cave]

But even then I don't do the questlines a lot of the time since youtubers just tell me what happens in them on PTR

I don't raid, I don't have a guild
I don't do M+ because my gear isn't good enough, and I dislike puggingthem. My 2 friends who play wow are in different time zones.
I'm not very cosmetic motivated, I don't grind old raids for mounts or tmog

[upper pasture]

it's also a shame they don't have alternate teams to go back and forth to alleviate some of the pressure of 8 week releases then again 4 months is still tough too

[rain cave]

I just like build crafting and the story

[ember blaze]

so do you do the campaign and then log in 6 months later? 💀

[zealous sedge]

I just hope the cadence doesn’t affect long term. Would suck to lose more talent because it’s unsustainable. Hoping Lehr is right that this big push is just temporary in order to get ahead and set the cadence.

I also think Blizzard really doesn’t want to have Microsoft all up in their business when it comes to Warcraft and they feel the need to push out content and keep engagement up to be left alone. Or this could very well be just the directive from Microsoft.

[elfin eagle]

thats pretty much what i do

i play, do the raid a couple times unsub or let it sit sometimes and then do the campaign

[deep pawn]

I love the fake leaks about new specs for all classes but druids

There's no chance Blizzard drops 12 new specs, 3 full classes worth in one expansion

As much as I'd love new specs

[deep pawn]

So if we go off Blizzcon being in September. Do you think they'll want to announce 12.2 there?

If 12.1 is out before Blizzcon that would mean an early February expansion launch which would break every bit of cadence we expect

Cause that would mean a January prepatch just 4 weeks after 11.2.7

It's possible that 12.1 comes out right after because they have spoiled next patches before the previous one comes out but it messes up their current design of hiding post raid events

Actually, got my month math wrong. Early September season 2 means early March season 1.

It's all kosher. February prepatch would be 8 weeks after the likely 11.2.7

Yeah, that works, 12.2 reveal and 13.0 reveal.

That would mean a September or October 2027 TLT. Would be hard to have a 2027 Blizzcon to announce the expansion... Eh, nah, we'd probably have a Gamescom 2028 reveal for 14.0 release in early 2029

[deep pawn]

Or TLT is 4 raids long as a finale story and we get a massive Blizzcon 2028

[thin warren]

Finally WoW 2.0

[rain cave]

Massive L that they aren't doing the mage tower appearances

Or the pvp ones

We need a petition like stop killing games but for fomo/ time limited stuff like that

[glass flicker]

What I think they might do is some reworks. I'd personally love a complete overhaul of Arms Warrior. There's nothing special about it, and that's good, but c'mon. They can make them a little better than "am unmovable badass."

Either lean into it and make them actually mobile, as it says on their spec profile.

Where's the mobility? Either lean into this, or say they're towering hunks of muscle and plate who can't be moved and will strike you down with twice the force you're attacking them with.

We all know Colossus is basically designed for Arms Warrior. Yet their only ability that truly makes them unmovable is Demolish. That's unacceptable for your "can't be moved" spec.

[deep pawn]

There's no pvp so you wouldn't be able to progress them anyways

If you never unlocked the artifact before you'll get whatever appearances your honor level gives regardless

[pulsar minnow]

It still makes no sense to me why they won’t just bring them back for the event. I know classes arent the same and are way more powerful than they were back in legion across the board but if they’re bringing back chains of the chosen dead then why not

[rain cave]

but even with this argument. at the end of legion it was apparently a cakewalk since it got outscaled

and they can always just... tune it?

make it harder?

[pulsar minnow]

It sort of was. Back in legion I was still pretty new to the game having started in WoD. So I was pretty bad- take what I say with a grain of salt.

I was basically running around in world quest gear or whatever gear I got from normal raids, and I was able to do it but it sure as shit wasn’t easy for some of them. I ended up doing Werebear twice (one on my account and one on a friends because he couldn’t beat it himself) so I fought him maybe like 150 times across all characters including prot warrior

So I personally really got that sense of accomplishment for beating those fights, and I loved it.

Now that said, a simple damage scaling is probably never gonna be able to bring it back to that challenge, simply because legion existed in the pruning where each class was dumbed down and there weren’t many shared spells between specializations

So in my opinion, I agree make it harder, but also just rework the fights and add more mechanics to them. Y’know, remix it?

[deep pawn]

The mage tower was actually harder in Shadowlands when it first came back than it was during Antorus

They also removed any type of tier bonuses or current expansion powers in it

Imagine doing something without hero talents right now for example haha

You had no covenant powers or soulbinds

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah, but there were ways to get around it

Like if you still had any old legiondaries

And some green and blue gear had weird ass scaling

[deep pawn]

You still missed a chunk of your kit

Right now the dark moon stuff is trivializing it and they just don't really care

[ember blaze]

u always bring up leaks but never share them 😶

might as well not mention em

[deep pawn]

cause I feel like spamming the channel with them doesn't feel conducive? Sorry

[ember blaze]

some specs just have a fantasy that isnt even fulfilled at all

[glass flicker]

Yes.

[ember blaze]

i think warrior suffers from what they say a third dh spec couldnt be made

[glass flicker]

There's nothing "enhancement" about Enhancement Shaman. Just rename it Melee Shaman. xD

[ember blaze]

"it would just be a weapon switch"

which is what warrior pretty much is

[glass flicker]

Warrior doesn't need a weapon switch. It just needs more thought put into its animations and class descriptions.

[ember blaze]

well u bring up certain ones all the time? so why do it at all then? 💀

[deep pawn]

of course no one agrees what Enh should be haha

[glass flicker]

Like, seriously. "Protection Warrior?"

[ember blaze]

if they sound cool or whatever or lead to discussions just post them

[deep pawn]

So many want just melee caster.

[ember blaze]

warrior is a weapon switch

[glass flicker]

What I want Enhancement to be is an autoattack spec where each button uses a different element to do bonus damage with different effects.

Windfury is ALMOST there.

[ember blaze]

well you could argue theyre enhancing themselves and their weapons

[glass flicker]

Yeah, but it's more like "STORMSTRIKE! STORMSTRIKE! LAVA LASH!" in gameplay.

Enhancement just feels like you're pressing whatever is available instead of "I will enhance myself with wind to trigger a fire tornado with my fire attack after!"

Just add more spell combinations to make Enhancement feel like you're doing shamany stuff.

And Arms Warrior, like I said. Either make it mobile to fit their talent tree description, or make them the unmovable badass the Colossus hero tree wants them to be.

Add a Steadfast passive like Reinhardt has that reduces all CC. All more stuff that makes them just be constantly in your face. Maybe even make Charge do 3000% more damage and be usable at any range.

[ember blaze]

problem with how is they want stuff in general to be simple

and then with stuff like Arms, theyre on the camp of theyre not gonna rework it entirely to something new

cause its been there for 20 years

[glass flicker]

I keep saying they don't have to rework it entirely. Just add stuff that fits with the theme they're going for. 'Cause what their description says about them is not how they are played.

[uncut vault]

That might have been true before the rework, but now? It's filled with combo attacks like this

[glass flicker]

There is nothing "mobility" about Arms Warrior. They got Heroic Leap and Charge.

Intervene, if you pick it, but you don't really have a reason to.

[dense plover]

thats two very mobile abilities

compare that to death knight, another plate wearing melee class

[glass flicker]

Line of Sight Issues McCoy and the curse of TOO FAR AWAY. Two very mobile abilities, indeed.