#beta-ptr-spoilers

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lavish raptor
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she could be lying

sullen dawn
lavish raptor
novel zodiac
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what if Xal is just space azshara, she wanted power, made a deal and the void gods screw her

pulsar minnow
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When in the questline did she say that? I must’ve completely missed it

ember blaze
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the new zones are nice. Always liked argus void areas and the puddles

little hound
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Did the entire questline, read her every dialogue, nowhere does she say this.

zealous sedge
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Man I’m really stoked for a potential midnight cinematic at gamescom.

deep pawn
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There's almost certainly gonna be one

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What's funny is if they do it opening night only NA has story mode lol

sullen dawn
astral frost
pulsar minnow
# astral frost

It’s not that we don’t believe you but we want to know which part of the questline this happened because you’d think that would be a VERY important piece of information that shouldn’t just be relegated to a quick on-click blurb of dialogue

harsh mason
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This means that the destruction of Karesh is older than the eredar joining the Burning Crusade (100,000 vs 28,000 years ago).

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Now Xal's statement that "she has survived many civilizations" makes complete sense

astral frost
uncut vault
# astral frost

Of note that it doesn’t exactly say she’s a mortal, just that she’s from/resided on a world she came to care for

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She could have been any number of things prior, a mortal, a wild god, a naaru, a worldsoul all her own, etc.

tropic trail
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That picture is weirdly blurred

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a troll fake. Not saying it is but it’s very possible

astral frost
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21:48

pulsar minnow
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i mean nobbel himself said he couldn't find the source of it

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its probably real just weirdly hidden

astral frost
autumn relic
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What do you think? Do you think Blizz will rework the character models again with the Saga series? Or not?

sullen dawn
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Dont think so

harsh mason
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The models don't look outdated compared to the rest of the game.

sullen dawn
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Maybe the could make the tauren faces sharper like they used to be, and redo the dracthyr skeleton to not look like an overgrown newt

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But unlikely

autumn relic
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What I'm also wondering is, in SL Blizz introduced the option to transmog the shoulders separately, whether Blizz will do the same with the hands in the future!

glossy chasm
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every time ive tried to get into ptr today, servers are either offline or incompatible. is it a problem on my side?

autumn relic
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Maybe there's a PTR update, maybe that's why the servers aren't working.

deep pawn
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Tuesday is a weird day for a build but it could happen

glossy chasm
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oh that's possible. i checked the schedule and was hoping it'd be up on time. i'll check back later. thanks guys

ember blaze
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ptr realms have also just been awful generally

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ppl must be bored as hell or something and theyre all on ptr

deep pawn
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Well Dastardly Duos isn't that engaging

ember blaze
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shits still confusing and i got a bunch of items stacking on my bags

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awful fucking feature

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and its so fucking frustrating unable to control the tank npc

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big spoilers?

tropic trail
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lol

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She doesn’t want dimensius to eat Azeroth she wants it for herself

lavish raptor
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mmmm tasty world soul

ember blaze
lavish raptor
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nom nom

tropic trail
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So we will fight void lord while she will be just juicing

ember blaze
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so she'll eat whatever is left of it 🤔

mighty wolf
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Xal will consume Karesh WS?

ember blaze
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sounds like it

upper pasture
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7 whole days!? dang, that's a big meal

little hound
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She gets the leftovers Dimensius failed to eat in time.

ember blaze
mighty wolf
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Maybe thats why Planet looks "light" in Aldani on wowcast

deep pawn
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What? The dungeon suggests K'aresh is still alive though.

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So maybe she doesn't actually eat the World Soul during the fight

tropic trail
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Then we will have 2 world souls

glossy chasm
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i got a ptr update

autumn relic
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i say it 😄

lone mantle
zealous sedge
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I love it so much

rain cave
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So xal basically uses the fight with dimensius as an excuse for us to let her eat the remnants of karesh

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Then she goes super juiced for midnight?

deep pawn
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Remains to be seen

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Voice lines suggest she gets stuck in the heart

lavish raptor
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tfw you get stuck in another inanimate object

rain cave
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Wonder how she goes forward to midnight then, unless maybe they do a rug pull and it's not dimensius OR xal in midnight as the main threat, and its actually azshara leading the invasion

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Hence why she aims for the sunwell, and there's an elven reunification. Would also explain some naga joining us if their exqueen wants to destroy the world

deep pawn
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If she does get stuck, I think she pulls a Kel thuzad

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Someone drops the Dark Heart into the Sunwell to free her

rain cave
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Also tbf it is xal master of illusions

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She could just be lying as a way to lay low

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Whilst swapping places with someone

deep pawn
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I'm overly hyping myself up for a Denathrius patch in Midnight

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It could happen but nothing for sure says it will happen

rain cave
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Honestly I could see him in TLT

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If we want to unveil some grandplan, he was probably aware of it. What the jailer was allegedly trying to stop.

deep pawn
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Nah, Midnight, get the Dreadlords, Kaelthas and Revendreth involved. Throw in some Sanlayn

uncut vault
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God I hope not, sorry lol

little hound
uncut vault
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Midnight already has an insane number of characters it needs to juggle and do right, adding in the Denathrius plot would be even more of a mess

deep pawn
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We need a raid between Trolls and Void that's not void.

little hound
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Ardenweald spirits can be near Amirdrassil, as the tree itself is a connection to Ardenweald.

deep pawn
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Dreadlords seems perfect.

deep pawn
austere gazelle
uncut vault
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but we have so many characters in the blood elf story alone in need of better spotlight

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and a good many of them hinge on him being gone and them dealing with that

tulip sun
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We have Theron, Halduron, Liadrin, Rommath, Aethas as the 'Main' Sin'dorei- and that is if no other ones are introduced.

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Vereesa, Alleria, Umbric for Void Elves/High Elves. Then we have the Amani storyline, probably a new Chieftain for them and Horde-related Trolls helping.

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Probably Sylvanas, and then other surprise major characters from the factions.

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Likely Thalyssra, maybe Kaldorei

uncut vault
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Also Arator almost certainly as a main character, meaning likely Turalyon involved as well

tulip sun
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He is essentialy King anyhow, just without the title.

tulip sun
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and yeah- heavily light or void based characters likely will appear. Lightforged, Calia, Turalyon, Fareeya.

deep pawn
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It really depends on how much of Lordaeron they do

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If it's just Quel'thalas, add in Kael'thas

uncut vault
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I have set my expectations at zero for blizzard even using the forsaken, despite their ties to the blood elves

deep pawn
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I think there's hints we'll see the Hinterlands and Alterac at least.

tulip sun
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and I would kinda expect Undead to appear, or at least the Dark Rangers

uncut vault
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Quel'thalas alone is already absurdly overpacked with characters to deal with

deep pawn
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I'm still fully prepared for Sylvanas to come in at a climatic moment to save her sisters.

tulip sun
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Gosh, Midnight truly does have a lot to juggle.

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And I am SO excited.

tulip sun
deep pawn
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They have a lot to fill Midnight with given it was likely originally a Beledar and Hallowfall plot.

uncut vault
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Sylvanas is kind of an inevitability, and the nature of her current status means they can use her fairly isolated from any Shadowlands stuff compared to someone like Kael'thas

deep pawn
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I'm just speculating off Shadreen's mysterious master who is very focused on the people of Azeroth, how they fight, and their fahsions, but is also not on K'aresh at all.

tulip sun
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But we have at the minimum, Sin'dorei Cast, Ren'dorei Cast, Quel'dorei Cast, Troll Cast.

deep pawn
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Denathrius is like the only fashion villain I know of

tulip sun
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Then maybe Kaldorei, Undead, Lightforged(?),

deep pawn
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Have Denathrius free Drathir for example who's a dungeon boss for Deatholme to open the plot in 12.0

uncut vault
deep pawn
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Maybe there is a First Ones relic that explains why we're all so powerful.

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Shadreen is also interested in Elf Wells

uncut vault
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The only person I think is probably guaranteed to be on the chopping block is poor Halduron

tulip sun
uncut vault
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simply because everything he fulfills, Lor'themar also fulfills

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and the slot of Ranger-General is really easy to fill by a Windrunner sister for marketability and "Silvermoon is neutral now!"

tulip sun
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and lorewise i'd be very dissappointed if LOREWISE, silvermoon becomes a neutral kingdom.

deep pawn
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"Haldurwho?"

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Have y'all seen the MMO-C hypetrain with "Where in the World is Vereesa Windrunner?"

tulip sun
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As much as I have not been wanting more alliance focus, Vereesa being absent all of TWW was beyond weird.

uncut vault
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Trust me, I started that hype train :P

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tulip sun
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Her home- and people, were destroyed. And she is just gone? At least have her come with the alliance reinforcements.

uncut vault
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It's a shame because she didn't even really need active plot, her just being here and being shown helping the survivors would have made her a great contrast to Alleria and their different experiences with grief

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Vereesa has been through the vengeful murder-phase in the past, at this point she's probably just tired, and she's much more of a leader-oriented character than Alleria

deep pawn
tulip sun
deep pawn
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I love the Xal feet

uncut vault
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lol, I always love the marlamin inclusions

deep pawn
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He asked for the fungarian

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the artist just slapped his birb on it

tulip sun
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So many elves

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It looks magical

deep pawn
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I mean it's Midnight

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I honestly forgot that Elissande could have a role.

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Part of me thinks we'll have a pregnant Thalyssra too

tulip sun
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I forgot we had an AU Elisande out and about

tulip sun
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That pregnant Thalyssra sees Theron die and then we see her release a huge magical explosion in grief.

deep pawn
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Eh, I don't see Theron dying but who knows

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I feel bad that I have 0 hype for K'aresh and I just want it to be February

tulip sun
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I was just discussing this in another discord. We have actually had some pretty significant losses in all the major patches of the saga so far...and I feel it will continue. (And honestly, I kinda like it). We lost Dalaran and many on it, we lost Renzik, and in 11.2 we lose ||Locus Walker||

lavish raptor
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fetus explosion

tulip sun
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SO I fear for da elves

tulip sun
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More likely to be Liadrin, Rommath or Halduron. Or multiple of them.

uncut vault
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and less like how haphazard and tacked on Dalaran was

deep pawn
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I just truly hope TWW's awkwardness is a victim of the Saga and Midnight feels more cohesive in general.

tulip sun
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I liked Dalaran, but I honestly think it would've hit harder if Khadgar was not revealed to be alive. But I guess I see your point, it didn't really play a part past it's explosion

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Also weird fact: We havn't seen any of the other council members.

deep pawn
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Dalaran is in the final boss, and I wouldn't totally write off Atiesh as a hidden caster legendary.

tulip sun
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Like...where are they? Dead? Alive? Smoking a joint? We don't know

uncut vault
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Well that's what I mean by tacked on

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Dalaran's destruction feels pretty clearly like a late Metzen write-in to add stakes

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because it has basically nothing to do with the plot on Khaz Algar, and the biggest mentions of it come from optional dialogue bits

deep pawn
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And now used for ads set to Darude- Sandstorm

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Have you seen that ad?

uncut vault
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Yeah lol

deep pawn
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set to the god damn beat drop, doing our Dadghar dirty.

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I'm going to hear sandstorm every time I press void volley

tulip sun
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It could've been integrated better, I agree.

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I have to say I did enjoy it though. Not that I dislike Dalaran, but it was quite the opener.

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It just should've followed through. Maybe having the Dalaranians on the isle actually help us or something- and the remaining council, if there was any

deep pawn
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bunch of housing thumbnails this build

lavish raptor
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like non-current players

deep pawn
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Sandstorm is millennial bait

lavish raptor
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It's wild. Mage 9/11 set to Sandstorm.

astral frost
uncut vault
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I feel like they won't, simply because he's the only proper blood elf mage we have left besides Aethas, who has been cemented as a neutral Kirin Tor character by TWW

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that and he's the most staunchly anti-void character of the blood elves, even above Liadrin, so at most I see him kind of becoming the narrative punching bag of "guy who can't get with the times and learns the lesson of neutral friendship"

rustic cliff
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With the new build, has anyone on the PTR been able to either datamine or just see the “bone Freezer” mount or whatever it is that’s available from the new raid renown?

astral frost
zealous sedge
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Okay these data mined housing assets really got me thinking there will be a plethora of exterior/ neighborhood customizations.

astral frost
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Think Vereesa, Aethas, Liadrin etc are safe by nature of being like the only relevant characters of their respective factions

zealous sedge
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A noodle cart and signposts? I mean you could put that in the house but…

ember blaze
pulsar minnow
dense plover
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does anyone know if there is a point in game where the dragonflight legacies galakrond cinematic plays? i know the other two are in game but i cant remember if the 3rd one is and where it is. I know this isnt current content but it technically touches on spoilers

tulip sun
pulsar minnow
ember blaze
tulip sun
deep pawn
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hmm

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I don't know if this is RP compromise or the next worgen mask

upper pasture
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I guess it’s worth mentioning don’t we have gleeful glamours for all playable races?

deep pawn
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yes, but it's from specialization

upper pasture
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yesb but my point is gleeful glamour currently is ONLY races you can actually play as. we don't have any that are NPC races. this could mean we might see playable ethereals

deep pawn
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That's my point

deep pawn
upper pasture
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yes and i was simply ADDING to your point that GG is only playable races as it stands

deep pawn
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No plans, and "We hope the armor helps you RP as you want." feels fairly final.

upper pasture
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but then sussy adds an enchantment spell that is ONLY NPC races. seems to me they just don't want to ruin the surprise

deep pawn
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only PC races you mean, but yeah who knows

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Gleeful Glamour feels like the perfect vehicle for humanoid races

upper pasture
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you could say the toy they added from lorewalking "helps" us RP as ethereals too and that was probably what they were talking about not random datamined spell

pulsar minnow
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Playable Ethereals would be the biggest slam dunk for blizz to pull right now. It’s a pure net positive

deep pawn
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No, they literally said the armor sets from K'aresh

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Which I do agree, they do pretty well.

ember blaze
upper pasture
deep pawn
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yes, and that's what they meant haha

upper pasture
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then the iconic "no plans" line

ember blaze
upper pasture
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yes the toy that literally turns you INTO an ethereal for a time

ember blaze
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you cant even see the arcane energy

upper pasture
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among other things to come

deep pawn
ember blaze
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WHERE IS THE ARCANE

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those barely count as the bandaged body

upper pasture
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which could all just be misdirection for them to surprise you can now be an actual ethereal race

deep pawn
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Cloth is better

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upper pasture
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don't want to BE an ethereal long term or pay for a race change here's the toy/armors/GG for RPers

ember blaze
deep pawn
deep pawn
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It looks really damn cool in game.

ember blaze
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that just looks like troll skin

upper pasture
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well gesh there's no ethereal in 11.2 however in 11.2.5 LOL

deep pawn
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No plans usually just says no plans.

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Like maybe you can use housing, but come on, the no plans were like YEARS before it was announced haha

ember blaze
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they did say "tell us what u want to play"

upper pasture
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"no plans" can mean ALOT of things. like "im not allowed to say"

ember blaze
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and its not like they havent heard ethereals for 20 years

deep pawn
upper pasture
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okay then the full thing was what? "no plans, right now to add them as a playable race. let us know what you'd like to see"?

deep pawn
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So Tobi, which player model is the most ethereal to you, blood elf?

ember blaze
deep pawn
ember blaze
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well multiple ppl said diff things i think

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one said tell us what u want to play

ember blaze
deep pawn
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The Reshii Regalia might fit your needs too without a whole race, we'll see if they get added, but they'll probably get Nightborne'd if made playable.

ember blaze
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will the pose match tho

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i care about that lean look with the jojo pose

slender sparrow
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anyone on 11.2 trying to test out the new dungeon?

deep pawn
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The pose would be a clipping nightmare so who knows

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funnily enough the armors have "Skin" cutouts haha

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could they have made them more arcane but meh

ember blaze
deep pawn
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I think the animations would be changed.

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Especially the run animations

ember blaze
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i get the walking animation looks very goofy

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but im ok if the armor works like dracthyr

deep pawn
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I actually might use the cloth honor set on my priest next season

rain cave
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ik they said theres some non-armour type cosmetic ones you can get, from the rep i think?

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while it's sad we're not getting playable ethereals I do think it's probably because they're "azerothian"

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sure draenei and orcs aren't either, but they live there

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there'd need to be a reason for an ethereal group to live on azeroth as allies of us, they could easily write one though

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but since all playable characters are basically the "chosen" of azeroth ig ethereals need some work to get there

deep pawn
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They could make it work

rain cave
# deep pawn They could make it work

yeah especially if karesh's worldsoul is still barely alive and dies in this patch, they could very well put in a sort of thing where, especially without a physical form, ethereals could feel untethered and start to fade

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whatever BS they want really, but that would open an avenue for them to come to our aid, both to help us out of a place of empathy as well as personal gain since pledging themselves to azeroth would restore their connection to a worldsoul

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also would be cool if we then got azerite ethereals as a customisation option if that was the case xD but wishful thinking is just that

deep pawn
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I am just wanting to zoom past K'aresh to get to Midnight which feels like real content that I pray we don't get Ethereals, but it's just me not vibing with the patch at all.

rain cave
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but maybe it's because they have bigger plans

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they probably realized that dimensius isn't that compelling of a villain,he doesn't have the personality or history of sargeras

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so putting him in TWW as a big bombastic first act finale acts as a sort of redherring in lore, our characters are going to put our guard down thinking xal and dimensius are sorted

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would be fun if that paves the way for a new set of void enemies to come into the spotlight at the start of midnight. I'd probably place my bet on Azsahara returning as the leader of the void incursion now, since there's a dimensius sized power vacuum

deep pawn
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I still think the Dark Heart gets dropped into the Sunwell and that frees someone

rain cave
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maybe in the middle of midnight

deep pawn
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Nah, that's our opening

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Something makes the Sunwell explode

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If Azshara is our final boss, it'll only be after she betrays Xal or us.

rain cave
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there's two ways to play this imo, we start off with sunwell exploding and we're fighting a war to reclaim it, or we start of with the area being invaded and we "lose" at the end of a raid

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personally I like the idea of silvermoon being occupied by the azshari void forces whilst the isle with the sunwell is held by the bloodknights and oher light forces

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with a big ol light bubble

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bonus points if WE can't communicate with them either, we're just outside trying to fend of the void whilst the light peeps are just unreachable inside their solid gold barrier

deep pawn
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You don't call an expansion Midnight and have all the imagery be VOID if we don't start off with the sky dark.

rain cave
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exactly, that's what I'm saying

deep pawn
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I feel like our levelling campaign will be pushing back the dark in each zone.

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My point is I feel like only the Sunwell exploding can cause that type of continental darkness.

rain cave
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the whole zone is void invaded, apart from the sunwell at the start. But eventually they get through

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save the skybox shenanigans for a little later

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otherwise they're playing their biggest card first

deep pawn
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eh, I don't think so but we'll see haha

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Get the purple out of the way while levelling and then deal with Amani and Dreadlords, finish off with Super Azshara.

rain cave
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I think amani are the first raid tbf

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I think the narrative arc will be we realise we need a unified front pretty quick to beat the void here. In levelling campaign/prepatch we probably lose somewhat

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we then spend the first raid story helping the uncorrupted amani take back their land from the voidy ones blah blah

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then we get elf and troll unification going on just generally

deep pawn
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I think so too, but as we've seen from TWW, the first raid and the launch campaign can be separate.

austere gazelle
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I got the feeling that, on the contrary, the sunwell will be the last line of defense

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We also know that the sunwell isnt the last beacon of Light on Azeroth, Beledar and the other crystals exists.
If Azeroth is infused with void somehow, all those crystals might turn to void and trigger some voidy invasion and stuff

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But from what we have glimpsed, it'll be just a giant cloud of Shadow that will form around azeroth, snuffing out the light of the sun and bathing Azeroth in permanent Night, hence midnight

deep pawn
austere gazelle
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I think the Arathi will shows up and dispatch units on Azeroth, we'll have giant bubbles of Light around the main city to protect them from the void , the sunwell being the most strongest one

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there might even be Naaru acting as beacon of light into each city

deep pawn
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Eh, again, I think the Sunwell will be our portal into the void.

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It makes more sense to reclaim it and purify it then to lose it

austere gazelle
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maybe in the last raid

deep pawn
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I still think it starts off corrupted, we get it back middle of the expansion and go through

austere gazelle
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We'll see ^^ If Quel Thalas is the main hub and Azeroth is plunged into Darkness I assume the sunwell is up and is warding the city against the threat of the void, and losing it will be a big turning point of the expack maybe

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they can't make all the zone lost to the void anyway, so I assume the " void invasion " will be random scripted npc event around cities and stuff, and main event localised around Quel Thalas

deep pawn
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There's no certainty Silvermoon is our hub.

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It could easily be a conquered city to start and one of our 4 zones.

austere gazelle
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True though. for the Elven reunion i'd have though Amirdrassil would be the ideal location

rain cave
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I personally subscribe to silvermoon being under occupation

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and it's our suramar for the first patch/launch

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also my bet on the different renowns is:
-Silvermoon Refugees
-Azshara defector Naga
-Quel'thalas undead
-Some kind of void force, like a combined force of void elves + ethereals

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oh and the amani

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ofc

austere gazelle
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" The Shadowfall alliance " 😂

rain cave
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there's a couple you could swap around, and ofc we'd get more in different patches

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like blood knights

austere gazelle
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There is also the Knights of the Eclipse

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Void elves " Paladins "

deep pawn
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I feel like there'll certainly be Dwarves

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either it's a new chunk of land that was a lost piece of Northeron, or we're getting Hinterlands

austere gazelle
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Maybe they'll make a part of Eastern plagueland into the new zones

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after all if they want to make the BC zone in the main land without any loading screen, then nothing prevent them to shelter the expansion to northrend lordaeron and quel thalas

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Would explain the Xal / Etheral / Arthas lorewalking quest

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cause Arthas out of nowhere was weird tbh

rain cave
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there will definitely be undead presence imo

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Calia and the undead's story is sort of intrinsically tied to the elves

austere gazelle
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And there is also Light's hope chapel which is the main " hub " of the paladin order, so it has to play a role there

rain cave
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I'm looking forward to seeing Calia TRY and help silvermoon refugees, but when they hear she's a menethil they cower in fear

austere gazelle
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this could be the zones of the expansion :

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rain cave
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my bet is that happens and then she figures out that the real way for her to help is to go and gather the remaining undead in quelthalas that we know of, and bringing them into the fold as part of the defence force

austere gazelle
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Tirisfal / Plaguelands (x2 zones) / Ghostlands / Eversong , make a total of five zones

rain cave
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I've said it before, but Calia marching up the scar with all of her brothers old undead slaves, now liberated with free will to take silvermoon back FOR the elves would be a great narrative parallel

austere gazelle
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would introduce the cleansed Undercity

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and the " healed " plaguelands

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that could even have their former name or a new name

deep pawn
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We'll find out at Gamescom with a dev panel thankfully

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I don't know if I prefer just Quel'thalas or if I'd rather see everything North of the Thandol Span

tulip sun
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It'd be cool though

austere gazelle
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Quel Thalas is just three zone atm... even if they divide them it'll be smaller than a normal expansion so 🤷

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The sunwell is a patch content zone size

tulip sun
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I could even see them adding a zone itself for Amani stuff. Expanding that.

austere gazelle
rain cave
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I'm wondering if they'll cordon off the area somewhat

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like sure, open up that awkward portal in plaguelands and make it enterable on foot

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but could also just have a giant void bubble around the whole area so we can only enter from that point, and it uses the dynamic loading tech

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my only worry there is what happens after the xpac? are we just going to keep quelthalas permanently in a void invasion lol, works for other areas but that's a race hub

austere gazelle
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with some scripted event and new mobs patrolling area

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and then when we will repel them the skybox will return to normal ( like Oribos, without the bug )

warm topaz
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i wonder if they'll reuse the legion prepatch event but with void this time

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i enjoyed the legion invasions so it would work for me

lavish raptor
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I miss SL zombie pre patch

uncut vault
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multi-week prepatch story alongside returning us to the old world and getting story updates alongside showing how serious the invasion is

austere gazelle
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I hope it wont be like the legion 'invasion " where only the broken isle and some specific place where invaded but the other zone were untouched

little hound
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Considering Midnight will be focused around the regions of Quel'thalas, i wouldn't expect it to be a WORLD-WIDE Event, like the TWW One.

austere gazelle
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Even the BFA zone were untouched by the legion and the cataclysm, well, maybe Zandalar, but it was not that important considering it was near the maelstrom... )

little hound
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Really? I loved the Legion Pre-patch event

uncut vault
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we had the prepatch showing full invasions across the old world, and then the artifact quests and order hall campaigns repeatedly took us back to the old world to see the Legion invading all over in concentrated strikes

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We got the Pillars of Creation macguffin written in to excuse why we're centering on the Broken Isles (alongside generally just cutting off the flow of demons at its source), but we were never wholly contained to those zones compared to an xpac like Wrath

tulip sun
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Yeah we got glimpses of outside the broken Isles. It was definitely more of a tell, not show thing. But what we saw in think was nice enough that we knew it was larger

zealous sedge
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is there any intention behind what look like roots (the dark black stringy things) or am I just reading into it too much lol

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thin warren
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well, it could be swirlies

rose escarp
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I do find it a fun “coincidence” that Phase Diving in 11.2 seems oddly similar to how the Unseeming works. Would be neat it those were tied together, somehow.

mighty wolf
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more like "dementors" or some void creatures

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in tornado

deep pawn
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I'm so mad that MoP and 11.2 release so close together, that's not even including ff14's 7.3

rain cave
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and imo it kind of backs up the idea that worldsouls are both literally the world, AND the "world" in some senses

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with azeroth being the "prime" that all realities seem to coalesce around

deep pawn
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Regarding zone size, all things are shrunk for gameplay. The Broken Isles are probably the closest to real size we've gotten, or maybe Khaz Algar. They could absolutely blow up the side of Quel'thalas

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Or we get Quel'thalas, Lordaeron, The Old Empire, etc haha

rain cave
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the main thing is thinking about how they'll split them up by faction/group theme. That's usually the most reliable way to assess how they'd do it

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like amani, silvermoon, ghostlands are the big 3 we can probably say are assured

zealous sedge
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I think they have to do everything north of the thandol span as weve talked about before to make the immersion make more sense

rain cave
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but we're assuming there will be a 4th, with maybe a 5th subzone like a suramar thing

zealous sedge
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i miss the days of 8 zones like northrend lol

deep pawn
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Blizzard said long ago to them an expansion is 4 zones and 8 dungeons

zealous sedge
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yeah

deep pawn
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Back then they needed to split launch players and some zones were for lag purposes

zealous sedge
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i think its feasible to just combine plaguelandsa and tirisfal into "lordaeron"

deep pawn
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Crystalsong Forest only exists because of Dalaran

rain cave
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imo the top contenders for a 4th zone are;
some kind of naga themed area in the channel between silvermoon and the isle of queldanas, maybe it's all dried up from the void sucking the water up

plaguelands bit

floating void islands brought WITH the invasion, like we enter the void forces territory

deep pawn
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A leak has everyone thinking a glacier or small island moved by the cataclysm with Dwarves

rain cave
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psyche it's actually another dwarf expac now

deep pawn
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Just someone leaked Northeron and then the gryphon's got updated descriptions lol

lavish raptor
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If I was dedicated I'd make a fake leak claiming the goblins/brokers/etc. bulldozed Stratholme to make a shopping mall (which then became haunted and abandoned)

uncut vault
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Northeron in canon is just a village on the northern part of Twilight Highlands

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totally unrelated to the old concept maps

deep pawn
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that's why people are speculating lost chunk of land

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People say that's just a remnant

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it does look like it fell into the sea

zealous sedge
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I didn't play SL so just to clarify Tazavesh is just marketplace that's floating out somewhere and now it is in K'aresh or has it always been there? Or do we not know.

deep pawn
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it was from the shadowlands

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it moved.

zealous sedge
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new Dalaran in 12.0 lol

deep pawn
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yeah lol

novel zodiac
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i wonder if they're going to explain how they moved the city

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because it makes no fucking sense

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because if you can bring a whole city and its people from the "realm of the dead"

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why cant we just bring people that died and BOOM, now they're "alive" again

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man i hate shadowlands

upper pasture
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Tazavesh was already established as a moving city when introduced

pulsar minnow
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they can leave but without anima their SL bodies fall apart

upper pasture
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And wasn’t it heavily implied that the brokers aren’t “of” the realm of death they are just there like us mortals

pulsar minnow
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yup

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they're just ethereals. Their bandages would be damaged by the energies of the shadowlands so they opted for the containment suits instead

upper pasture
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So moving city of non realm of death citizens. Seems like they’ve found a way into and out of the realm of death

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The intro quest to finding Tazavesh the broker explains that their outposts and cities are movable

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“We brokers have found that it is in our best interests to remain mobile. And discreet.

A number of our cities and outposts are tucked away in the In-Between, capable of moving from place to place.”

pulsar minnow
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agreeing with you but just adding we've seen it happen before. People from the Shadowlands CAN leave and have before. The Maldraxxi left numerous times for strikes on Legion fortresses as seen in the Draka cinematic

upper pasture
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That’s also true, I don’t think we were ever told how long and why SLs denizens can leave for, kyrains literally had to to ferry souls over

pulsar minnow
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I think its literally just a matter of if they can get anima. I guess mortals also have anima but it seems like it only "becomes" anima once it enters the shadowlands

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so while the kyrian will leave to go retrieve a soul, they gotta head home for dinner eventually

deep pawn
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but now they're just energy beings from reality

autumn relic
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SRy, if this doesn't fit here, but can someone tell me what I have to select so that the character carries the weapons/shield on his back?

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rain cave
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but also I imagine dimension lines are pretty thin around karesh, just like outland which is both in reality and the twisting nether

quartz lintel
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Guys, I know this is probably a bug on WoWhead's part, but is this a hint that Blizzard will add an item to unlock the glowing versions of SL sets?

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As you can see, the shoulders have the myth visual effect, and sometime, helm, and others thing from mail, leather, Plate and cloth have it too

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The only time I had this bug was when I wanted to look at the DF and TWW sets which sometimes could have the visual obtained via the 2k500 stone of the season correspond to the sets

worn crown
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I love that the new patch is bringing all these Shadowlands connections (Tazavesh, devourers, Ve'nari...)

I absolutely love Shadowlands, my favorite lore expac - it is full of new and creative stuff

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I think part of the reason the vocal "haters", lets say, dislike it is because it does not rely on purely regurgitated lore these people seem to love (faction conflict and fel and void) to think that is what "makes Warcraft" - WoW is so much bigger than any checklist

And lack of Metzen too, I'd say - I'm grateful he created Warcraft lore, but isn't an infallible storyteller

I mean, TWW narrative is SO disjointed, one would thought he (with the loud comeback) and the creative team would have thought of a better opening for this "The World Soul Saga"

ember blaze
deep pawn
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I mean its a lose-lose haha

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Original TWW we'd have already killed Xal and would be waiting for the Titans to show up to kick them for being mean to the Earthen

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Current TWW the spreading out of the plot means they have to delay everything related to the Earthen.

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We have enough evidence that the Saga was only decided AFTER 11.0 was basically done

harsh mason
deep pawn
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All personal preference on what story they like more. I'll admit I would have preferred a more traditional story structure.

harsh mason
# deep pawn All personal preference on what story they like more. I'll admit I would have pr...

Well, look, I wouldn't say that there's a "traditional" story structure for WoW, as TBC didn't have a unified plot either. The main villain (who was initially announced) was defeated in the first act of the story. The finale was the Legion's invasion of Azeroth (albeit a brief one), with KJ as the final boss. In Cataclysm, we didn't even interact with Deathwing in the first two out of three story acts (the first act was essentially composed of multiple different local stories, and the second act was Ragnaros).

light compass
austere gazelle
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Mmmm K'aresh was always planned anyway for 11.2

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in the alpha / beta file we had nerubian / goblin / etheral raid anyway

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so it's not a surprise

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I think they wanted to show the origine of the Dark Heart and a way to power it with a infinite source of power ( aka dimensius ) for Xal to do what she wanted to do in a speed run move instead or collecting stuff there and there

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if you look at it this way it make perfect sense. Orweyna can still be a small content patch of 11.2.5 aka rootlands / dreamgrove

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I'm not sure they wanted to make another dream / tree related content that soon after Amidrassil

glass flicker
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Rootlands is probably being saved for The Last Titan. Likely where Uldaz is, seeing as that's the final Titan Facility we haven't visited.

quartz lintel
glass flicker
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I don't like to think about it.

little hound
hard axle
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I'm confused, every video and stream I've watched that mentions the Reshii Wraps and Ribbons pronounce it "Reh-Shee"
And I don't get why?
I mean, the moment the word "Reshii" is first mentioned, is in a cutscene with spoken dialog
The official voice actors, hired and paid big money, by Blizzard, the creators of the game and content, all, without question, unerringly, from the very beginning, everytime the word comes up, pronounce it "REE-Shee"

No seriously, how does no one know how to pronounce it?
Even Nobbel, the Lore Junkie, pronounces it wrong

It's the Noh'khud shit all over again, which, also, was mentioned many times in the Campaign through the zone, and repeated endlessly when passing through world quests involving them after the campaign was finished

Please, if anyone knows why no one can pronounce these words correctly, please tell me, every time I hear these mis-pronounced, I just want to jump through my screen and beat the correct pronunciation into them

zealous sedge
pulsar minnow
lavish raptor
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I blame the mushrooms

deep pawn
uncut vault
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I was taken aback by Reeshee when playing it last night because it feels like it’s supposed to be a play on K’areshi, but had no phonetic basis

deep pawn
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Everyone is all "the saga is 3 expansions, they have plenty of time!", but that doesn't stop me from feeling the structure of TWW is messy probably because of the story change.

deep pawn
# austere gazelle Mmmm K'aresh was always planned anyway for 11.2

Not true, maybe always planned once the saga was decided, but I just don't see how the original plan for TWW ended anywhere but at the Manifold fighting the Titans. Also, we had Rootlands and and Ethereal raid. That didn't necessarily mean K'aresh. Plus we have hints that some of the new plants in K'aresh were likely meant for the Rootlands before direction changed.

uncut vault
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In hindsight, the xpac probably should have been called Dark Heart because then it wouldn’t have made people think we’d be focusing on underground stuff all xpac

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Dark Heart also fits the themes of characters like Anduin and Alleria as much as the double entendre of The War Within does

deep pawn
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Probably, and also not calling it the underground expansion lol

warm topaz
deep pawn
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Super log

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If I'm reading it right the progress bar is giving us the back, a transmog set, and a mount?

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Surely no one will be upset at that much free.

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They're being too kind with this and the legacy mounts. Something is up

dreamy dove
warm topaz
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and the back piece

dreamy dove
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Love it

deep pawn
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They are never generous on purpose.

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So I'm suspicious haha

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Holy hell, tailors need 600 acuity to learn the new secondary stat recipes for the Wraps

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I know 150 is pretty standard for a recipe, but come on

hard axle
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eww

deep pawn
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Blizzard is also making the contracts for the sub reps which honestly might be better since the main renown is likely fast again

zealous sedge
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How many sub reps are there?

deep pawn
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3 or 4

zealous sedge
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Ugh haha

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I’ve only gotten one cartel to exalted

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Man

deep pawn
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I've done 2

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but I've also skipped weeks

zealous sedge
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Also you need so many resonance crystals to get all the vendor stuff if you are a collector

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Oh same I’ve skipped quite a few. Just too busy

deep pawn
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takes half an hour to do the main 3 quests

zealous sedge
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Yeah it’s quick

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I’m just unmotivated at the end of the day.

zealous sedge
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Anyone doing raid testing right now?

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Never mind realms are down

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for anyone curious

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pulsar minnow
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dont know if this has been covered yet but are we getting new relics for brann in 11.2?

upper pasture
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we should be getting new relics

pulsar minnow
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yeah just havent seen anything reported yet

deep pawn
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Only one new delve reusing an old location kinda amps up the K'aresh was last minute decision

pulsar minnow
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ok

deep pawn
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I hope they update the stories again at least but I wouldn't be shocked if we just keep the s2 stories

dense plover
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but yes, karesh is clearly last minute

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thats probably what happened to the rootlands

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it was shelved or theyll save it for another expac

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i hope they dont abandon the harronir completely

deep pawn
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The portal entrance is in K'aresh though yes

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So unlike Sidestreet or Excavation 9, it's not using any new level design.

zealous sedge
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Unless the World Soul is under Ulduar we most definitely have to go back to Khaz Algar at least for a bit to get to rootlands/ world core. We will see them again (I hope)

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But its pretty muhc confirmed the Manifold is accessible throuhg the coreway (Which if I'm not mistaken a certain Earthen said it would take 'years' to fix.

deep pawn
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The World Soul is technically under everything

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The Manifold is worldspanning

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My guess is we'll reach it from that giant opening in Storm Peaks.

zealous sedge
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True true

dense plover
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im just excited to get to see HD northrend

zealous sedge
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bro same

dense plover
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and actual nerubian cave zone

zealous sedge
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favourite zone of all time

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Grizzly Hills!

dense plover
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i imagine it wont be the same number of zones tho

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grizzly hills and howling fjord will probably be one zone

zealous sedge
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Probably not theyll figure out a way to combine it all into 4 maybe 5 zones

dense plover
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and we technically dont know what the cataclysm did to the zones

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so thats likely going to be some of it too

zealous sedge
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Yeah same with Quel Thalas

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Icecrown will probably stay mostly the same because technically it was visited in SL

dense plover
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i expect one zone there - quelthalas, that includes eversong and ghostlands

zealous sedge
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I agree

dense plover
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no idea what theyll do with the troll zone

uncut vault
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I feel like it might be a bit bolder than just "Northrend in HD" honestly

dense plover
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maybe it sank into the ocean?

zealous sedge
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I wouldn't even mind the island with the sunwell being part of it too. Who knows the cataclysm could've made a land bridge

dense plover
uncut vault
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I feel like they might go wild and eliminate/totally remake certain zones

dense plover
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thats what i expect

zealous sedge
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Totally. Maybe deathwing melted alot of stuff

dense plover
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flooded scholazar maybe?

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since its below sea level

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and icecrown has canonically been melting

uncut vault
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Like, if you want to think it through, if the Titans/the fully united Keepers pop up at Ulduar, the first thing they're going to see is a behemoth citadel forged out of the blood of the very Old Gods they imprisoned, with a forge attached directly to the Worldsoul

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they'd 100% nuke that thing from orbit lol

dense plover
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or they might turn stormpeaks into a fortress and then work on conquering outward from there

uncut vault
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Removing ICC would be a really easy way to distinguish the vibes of Wrath Northrend vs TLT Northrend, by removing the focus on undead and the Lich King as the central entity

dense plover
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yeah thats true

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what if instead of removing it - they titan-ify it?

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so its this big golden titan temple visible across the entire continent

zealous sedge
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Its also interesting after WotlK we haven't really heard of any characters that have set up camp that weren't their in the first place. So it will be interesting to see what has happened to the strongholds of all the factions. I mean technically for years there was never really a threat with Bolvar controlling the undead.

uncut vault
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And then you could do something like combine Sholazar and Icecrown Glacier and tell a reverse story from Wrath: instead of the undead pouring into Sholazar, the titanforged are pouring into Icecrown

dense plover
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yeah

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and also, remember the path of the titans theory stuff - specifically the big roads?

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maybe we get to see those built out across the zones

uncut vault
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I feel like they have to rebuild at least the main pathway

zealous sedge
deep pawn
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We've been told Icecrown is melting since Sylvanas did her thing

zealous sedge
dense plover
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honestly i want to see them do a hard reverse icecrown where its conquered by the titans and is a new stronghold for them

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that zone is extremely defensible

zealous sedge
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I could totally see it. They either remove all the Saronite or purify it somehow?

dense plover
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maybe combine icecrown and stormpeaks into a titan stronghold zone

zealous sedge
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Interesting to see if the Vrykul will be friendly or foe.

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I would like a Vrykul allied race

deep pawn
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I said combine Icecrown and Storm Peaks into one zone and someone was "There's no proper name, that won't work!"

dense plover
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if they dont get re-titanified and arent willing to follow Odyn ill be surprised

dense plover
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all of them will

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theyre not going to reuse the zone names because that would be confusing

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theyre already going to reuse the continent name

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i have no idea how theyre going to show it on the world map

pulsar minnow
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They’re probably just gonna replace old Northerend

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Chromie toggle to go back if you want

zealous sedge
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next remix will probably be WotLK i bet

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random thought

deep pawn
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I wanna see it redesigned entirely.

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I think Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills, and Zul'drak could easily be made one zone

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it'd be big but doable.

uncut vault
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Northrend is wholly isolated, it can just be a totally different continent

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totally unique map, one's just from Wrath and one's from TLT

pulsar minnow
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thats what i said lol

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Chromie time to go back to the Wrath one

uncut vault
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You don't need Chromie time for that, you'd just go through the Wrath Dalaran portal

pulsar minnow
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I mean the idea is basically the same. im talking about in sake of the map and the larger world

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like the old wrath one wont be deleted it would just be on a different map file that can still be accessed by whatever narrative means they decide\

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all they really need to do is throw bronze timekeepers in front of the old dal portal and throw em in the basement

ember blaze
pulsar minnow
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But think of the bronze dragon toggles you'd have in Silithus or Darkshore or Arathi Highlands

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Just effectively do that for northerend

deep pawn
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it won't

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it'll be a separate entrance

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Whatever they do for Northrend better be more than Zordormi stuff

pulsar minnow
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Im confused where we disagree lol

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They're not gonna scrap old northerend so they'll just insance it off from the revamped new Northerend. However they choose to do it is really not as important as the fact that its still there

deep pawn
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Yeah, but that doesn't require any bronze dragon stuff, it'll literally just be a different portal haha

pulsar minnow
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well yeah

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Im just saying for sake of not making it confusing just throwing the old portal downstairs and replacing the mages holding the portal open with bronze dragons just for an added touch

deep pawn
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If people can't read the different between Dalaran, Crystalsong and Ulduar there's no helping them.

hard axle
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Are the Mythic difficulty dungeons in SL daily or weekly?

dense plover
hard axle
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righto

novel zodiac
little hound
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I honestly just want more Housing news ngl

harsh mason
warm topaz
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they really need to rework the World Boss experience

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like, is not engagin, is not fun, it just give you loot

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and the lag is crazy

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what you guys think?

zealous sedge
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I haven’t attempted but I think all world bosses are mid

thin warren
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in the beginning it is a bit challenging

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but after a while we are overpowered

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and it's just a tank and spank

deep pawn
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I really dislike this season's boss

thin warren
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big badabooms

glass flicker
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I don't like this season's boss, either. One of those crawlers explodes next to you, knocks you back into another, and you're basically dead if you don't have an air movement ability.

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If you're a warlock? Say bye bye.

lavish raptor
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ngl i just join a raid group, suicide 5 seconds into the fight if im not on my main, and just chill until the boss dies

warm topaz
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i would love a Doomwalker 2.0 that when you hear him you know you have to run or you'll die

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or the one in Zul'drak, the big zombie

austere gazelle
harsh mason
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Like, 1-3 world bosses for the entire Exp, but they have to be really strong

warm topaz
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like MoP ones

upper pasture
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the thing is world bosses don't seemingly scale up in each patch so 11.0 bosses become easier each season increase

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but really who wants the kill the same world bosses for a year and a half?

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hell we hardly kill the same world boss for each season the whole season. once other higher loot or even same itmlvl loot people stop doing the world bosses all together

novel zodiac
thin warren
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that's for like all S1 stuff

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you don't need to do it

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because it's easy doesn't mean they should just mail you a bunch of things for nothing 😛

deep pawn
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S1 world bosses are often lots of gold or valorstones

clear apex
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Man, is there really going to be no housing update this month??

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*official blue post

zealous sedge
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I think they’re saving any future housing news for gamescom

warm topaz
clear apex
warm topaz
clear apex
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Nice. Hope that means something within the next week

dense plover
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we arent gonna hear anything about housing before gamescom

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maybe we get another minor post with some screenshots

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but big details will come at gamescom

upper pasture
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yeah probably just a small "look what we are gonna annouce more of at gamescon post"

ember blaze
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feel like we've seen more than enough of housing at this point lol

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like we know how extensive the decorations will be, old world stuff/achieves, we saw some bits of the outside

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how many houses ull have

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how big the inside can be

upper pasture
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there's still plenty of things they can touch on, a preview of what items we can expect to see for our houses, what we can do with the outside of our house (if anything), how we attain our house, how we interact with neighborhoods/ how guild neighborhoods function differently than public neighborhoods,

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even the standard "this is housing big dump post full of everything and more stuff" to create more hype

ember blaze
upper pasture
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just a more in depth of stuff we can expect to see in our houses, the common themes of collections

dense plover
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i think a short video clip of like - various examples of housing

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maybe something more on neighborhoods?

clear apex
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Waiting 2 more months and having a 3 month break in housing updates would feel kinda bad.

I want to see more about it.

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And you can see on other posts you can decorate your yard, but they haven't talked explicitly about it

pulsar minnow
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I mean, midnights announcement is 2 months away

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I’m fine waiting a little longer if it means we get the full reveal and a massive info dump at gamescom

clear apex
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Why not both? A little here and there, then big reveal of other features

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It's like saying "let's not discuss any more patch things cause gamescom"

zealous sedge
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We still have not seen anything about exteriors or the neighborhoods themselves, but I imagine that will be a big point they will touch on at gamescom.

pulsar minnow
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we're less than two months away now. not far away at all

zealous sedge
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Yeah tbh I think it’s gonna be a heads down month for the WoW team except for some already planned updates about 11.2 that’ll get sprinkled in throughout July.

deep pawn
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We'll have at least a couple more builds in July and then our release date announcement middle of the month for Aug 5th

deep pawn
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Bleh, turtle back timing messes up with an Aug 5th patch date

deep pawn
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Gosh I love fake leak season

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There's no way there's a hunter class remake.

lavish raptor
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give us DW survivial

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for fun

deep pawn
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Ethereal druids who use just wrappings for druid forms?

zealous sedge
deep pawn
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yeah

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I think reddit deletes them

ember blaze
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mmochamp forums are cancer to navigate

deep pawn
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cause most of them are pretty stupid

zealous sedge
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Is this something new?

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deep pawn
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nah, just something you can't repeat

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it's the Void Elf unlock.

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Alleria wants to see the Sunwell and it goes bonkers.

lavish raptor
zealous sedge
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Ohh yes I vaguely remember that and they got pissed at her if I remember

deep pawn
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or Nightborne unlock I suppose

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They blur cause of similar plots haha

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and the whole you can only ever do it once

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I'd personally riot if we got Ethereal druids before Gnomes.

zealous sedge
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I hope they add more heroic raid testing schedules but I am hoping to try out normal raid this weekend

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Ethereal druids would be nuts

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Tbh at that point just make a different shape shifter class

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I have a feeling RWF this patch is gonna be crazy. I expect the Dimensius fight to be very very difficult unlike Gallywix lol.

deep pawn
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Watch penultimate be harder

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I really want the patch on the 5th but it's so 50/50

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7 week ptrs, timeways, and gamescom suggest the 5th

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But 8 week cadence and a twitch drop and exp event ending on the 11th says the 12th.

zealous sedge
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I feel like penultimate being harder has been a thing since T-Swift in 10.2 haha

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I’m scared for the 5th that too soon I need more time haha. Also scared about bugs and stuff.

deep pawn
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I mean every other patch this expansion has only had 7 weeks

zealous sedge
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But… patch on the 5th means raid on the 12th anyways… unless they change that up too. Raid on launch day so they can beat gamescom spoilers. Which they kinda have to

zealous sedge
deep pawn
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I mean the race will be happening during Gamescom regardless

zealous sedge
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True but any story spoilers would be revealed. Like I assume we are gonna get some sort of end of raid cinematic leading into what is next.

deep pawn
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I thought they wanted story mode out before gamescom

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But if raid releases on the 19th in NA I guess they just want the wowhead version to suffice

zealous sedge
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Oh I’m sure they do. For continuity purposes. Although they did announce TWW before 10.2 came out right? Eh, who knows. But I’m guessing because of the saga now they want the story reveals to be more seamless.

deep pawn
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Storymode out first feels better to me to let players experience in game, at least for NA

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but maybe they can just assume everyone will watch the spoiler.

ember blaze
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people have not been a fan of the recent stories lately

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people like to instantly bring up the faction war, but I dont wanna fight someone cause theyre the wrong type of elf 🤔

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these talks of peace really dont seem like they hold any weight as they are

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and it's weird to kinda see every character sort of fall into that. But I guess you gotta see growth somewhere over time

deep pawn
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I think its reflecting our times

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Life just sucks more than it did 20 years ago

ember blaze
deep pawn
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People want a different type of escapism as they get older?

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Times change basically and well sucks for people who only want to go back

crude sigil
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Danath, who lived to kill orcs everyday (from Warcraft to end of BfA) just became big friend of Thrall and all other orcs in few months ... WTF

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And Marran surviving 2 putsches without any real sentence ...

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And why defias are here at Arathi ? Why Scarlet Crusade too. This is just a "classic" point, because in the lore, they should be dead (or almost completely gone) since Vanilla

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Syndicate is here ... It's ok, but "Red Dawn" (don't know if it's the good name in English) must be 75% of them. But in 11.1.7, we just see few of them.

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Geya'rah is just a weird character. Garrosh like since many times, and now "omg, poor human". And why Mag'har in Arathi lands ? Why Kor'kron here ? Geya'rah isn't the leader of the Horde ... Eitrigg is just an "advisor" for Geya'rah. No, he is the Blackrock leader not just a simple random orc !
Many mistakes, many weird write ... Overall is 50-50. Global story is "ok", but all details are bad.

deep pawn
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Mag'har are there because they needed a place to live of their own.

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It was explained that they were allowed to move to Hammerfall

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Eitrigg is probably helping her get set up as a leader since before this period of peace she was a refugee and then a fighter in multiple wars

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Marran explicitly was gathering together anyone who could have a grievance against the Alliance

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There's a difference between not liking the direction of a story vs it being poorly written

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Or willingly ignoring parts you've been told

harsh mason
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No, maybe someone doesn't consider everything that's not A vs O to be a war, but…

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There's so much military action on Azeroth every day that it doesn't even look realistic sometimes.

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Just imagine the chronology of events, and put yourself in the shoes of a random soldier, such as a member of the Horde or the Alliance. You don't have a peaceful life; you're constantly thrust into new battles after previous ones.

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You've just managed to survive the war in Emerald Dream against the ancient dragon, Shadowflame, when, just half a year later, you're sent to a new continent to fight against mutant spiders, cultists, and so on.

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But no, of course it's Peacecraft.

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I would like to remind that we had an example of a war between the Alliance and the Horde right during the siege of Ice crown citadel, and I personally do not consider this plot to be even 0.00001% adequate.

crude sigil
# deep pawn Or willingly ignoring parts you've been told

Sry, I can't resume this in few words. It's more complex than I said but Mag'har is poorly writted to be here like they are today (they have no grudge against the alliance, but fight here to steal the territories of the Alliance (Stromgarde) like they are old Horde orc at Warcraft I, II, III.
Geya'rah and Blizzard talk about Eitrigg that is just an "advisor", this is the problem. No mention that he is leader of Blackrock.
yeah, Marran gathering anyone, but Defias are "dead" since the "end" of cataclysm. Red Dawn have a problem of "refugees of refugees of refugees, ...". it's ok to have few Defias and Scarlet Crusade, but they will need to be "anecdotic", not the major part of the visible Red Dawn we fight in Arathi.
I like the general direction of this story, but there is some mistakes regarding the lore we know and the story told directly InGame (and some novel like Hearthlands)

rain cave
crude sigil
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Yeah, it's the "leak" season ... (prefer the term of "dream" or fan things)
For me, "leak" = ok, it's real, we know it's true, serious things, not words written by random guys because this guy want something and delete some fantasy to be credible

pulsar minnow
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But now it’s like every single government we overthrow becomes a council and we have to be strong together

rain cave
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I would love to see a character just enter the lore being basically garrosh again in terms of his just angry they are

pulsar minnow
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I don’t want another faction war but god is it annoying watching them do this will they won’t they with the alliance and horde escalating tension

rain cave
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As a villain but still

rain cave
pulsar minnow
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I think they’re trying that with the red dawn but it’s just not compelling at all

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If anything I imagine that maybe, after Azeroth is “awakened” or whatever happened in the last Titan, it ends up leaving the continents completely upheaved and changed

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Resulting in a power struggle from both factions to reclaim their land

rain cave
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There's also things like how we don't actually know what the natural order is

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Since the titans and legion have affected it so much

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The first ones ordered the SL and the dream

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Once that's addressed in tlt, we might see a whole new aspect of all of the forces. That could cause division since now there's several factions with potentially new and more agreeable ideology

pulsar minnow
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I feel like that’s another issue is that the red dawn is completely cut off from the larger story of the saga

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It’s just this weird side story that doesn’t feel like it’s going anywhere

deep pawn
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It's Marran that started the fighting.

crude sigil
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Yeah, Marran is the first problem at Arathi lands "wars"

deep pawn
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Personally if I learned one of the afterlifes is permanent war as a construct I'd chill out

deep pawn
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This dude is suddenly gonna be important soon

ember blaze
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locksmith class confirmed

glass flicker
rain cave
# glass flicker

Demons fr were the only ones who thought to make their realm a cool thing

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Me staring directly at amanthul after he says "orderlands" with a straight face

harsh mason
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I caught myself spoilers for the raid finale, but damn, that's about what I was thinking

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If anyone is interested, then

||Xal will try to consume the remnants of K’aresh’s soul (I’m not sure if she can or not) and kill the Locus-Walker||

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I assumed the second, but I didn't think about the first.

pulsar minnow
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I like the idea of || Xal taking up the mantle of the All-Devouring to be our big enemy of Midnight||

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Also, K’aresh has a lore book questioning what powers the “elf wells” (azeroth’s essence). So it definitely explains why we’re going to Quel Thalas next

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We still don’t really know what the hell her plan with the dark heart originally was though…

novel zodiac
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so what happens with the dark heart in 11.2?

harsh mason
tropic trail
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So this world soul of K’aresh is it alive? 👀

harsh mason
tropic trail
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Oh wow so no wonder xal wanna destroy dimensius so the void being will wake up

harsh mason
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||Xal betrayed Dimensius after she found out that Locus-Walker had found a way to kill him. But as we know, it just broke him apart||

austere gazelle
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Xal just wanted to empower the dark heart enough to be able to infuse herself with an energy capable of rivalising a Void Lord I think

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if the dark heart absorb a void lord then.. well , no need to empower it anymore, time for phase 2

pulsar minnow
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Would be very thematically fitting with Xal as well

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Considering the whole nerubian “Ascension”

zealous sedge
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Dimensius only sought to prevent what is coming /hj

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I’m curious how Dimensius ranks amongst the void lords. I assume he has consumed many a lesser void lord considering he’s called “the all devouring”. Is he the biggest and baddest and one of the last or is he just another commander amongst the infinite void? I assume there would be a theoretical limit to their power otherwise it just wouldn’t make sense for Azerothians to have the power to defeat a legion of void lords on their own (unless powered by the prime world soul?). It would be an interesting plot trajectory to jump into a fight with one of the last remaining void lords (or one, if not the most powerful of them) and then that’s that. Obviously, nothing has been mentioned as to how many or where these void lords are. One could assume Dimensius has devoured all of them in existence and that’s why we haven’t seen any of them, ever.

But seeing as how midnight will be the ultimate battle between void and light I feel as though Dimensius might just be a mid-tier void lord.

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Another point.. it would be interesting to see if during the battle against Dimensius while we are in the dark heart is if we see void lords that have been consumed, escape. And then midnight is about not only Xal but many void lords who now seek the ultimate power of the prime worldsoul and the power remaining inside the dark heart.

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I just feel like we need to see how vast and powerful the void is on a grand scale. Reducing it down to one big bad that is all powerful… feels bad. I want to see the void lords fight and try to consume each other while also trying to consume Azeroth you know what I mean.

rain cave
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Like he became so big just like a force of nature, he's positioned in the narrative as a sort of black hole

deep pawn
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that's the void

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it consumes

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Even Xal is largely about consuming things despite what she says

rain cave
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The void couldn't conduct and organise much because so much of its power is just held up in this big dumb blob

deep pawn
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Fel is chaos void is just emptiness

zealous sedge
rain cave
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I am looking forward to whatever cinematic we get for him

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I'm fully expecting some kind of xalatath tease at the end, like her sculking off in disguise

zealous sedge
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I could totally see void lords just being semi sentient blobs of all consuming aura. There’s something entering my minds eye that reminds me of a character from a movie or something I just can’t remember what it is.

rain cave
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Current bet is her trading place with alleria, we think xal is in dark heart but it's actually alleria in there

zealous sedge
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I could see that too. I just really want to know what they want to do with the prime world soul. I know we won’t really find out til midnight though. I hope it’s not just power for the sake of power or whatever.

warm topaz
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I've seen so many post on Twitter hating on a cutscene of the new quest line in 11.1.7

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the one Faerin fight with the other girl

crude sigil
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lul

warm topaz
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what's the deal? why that much hate

crude sigil
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yeah, because it's really bad animated like old "cinematics"

upper pasture
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just typical twitter hate

rain cave
warm topaz
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yeah I mean, 95% of those people don't play the game

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ik that

rain cave
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As if warcraft 3 wasn't about coming together to fight an evil

ember blaze
crude sigil
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Animations in WoW are not balance, sometimes it's really good, and others are really bad (this is a bad one)

ember blaze
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they clearly didnt have the time to use the good animation

warm topaz
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i see

rain cave
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It's a side story in a .7 patch, I forgive them

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Gives them more time to give us more xalatath feet in high res

crude sigil
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haha

warm topaz
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it's funny because, the tweets said something like: the state of WoW in 2025 or something

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the best it's ever been probably?

crude sigil
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cherry picking

warm topaz
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maybe not story wise, but gameplay wise? I think it's the best ever

crude sigil
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people take small things and say : hey, look, all of the game is this.
Ok, so now I can take big chad moment and say : hey, the game is like this.

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it's pointless, people complaint about this. They just want to trashtalk for nothing.
Yeah, WoW is not good everywhere, everytime ... But WoW have good stories and moments

zealous sedge
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That’s literally a microcosm of our current social media environment in relation to all things unfortunately. I just tend to ignore it.

crude sigil
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People enjoy how Arthas is in WotLK, but if you skip nostalgia and everything like this, you will see that Arthas development in WotLK, is clarely bad except some things.

rain cave
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People got hyped for mouth flaps and jank in 2008 its all about framing lmao

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Now people make comparisons being like "guys this game doesn't have dynamic puddles.. 0/10"

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Lot of rage and engagement bait out there

zealous sedge
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The sooner people accept Blizzard is the king of retcons, the sooner they shall be set free.

rain cave
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Or do you mean good ones

ember blaze
crude sigil
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When you have a big story with many mistakes, and you want to developp it further, yeah you need to "retcon"

ember blaze
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like something developed by gamefreak from pokemon

zealous sedge
# rain cave Doctor who

Everything from 11.0 to 11.1.7 makes it abundantly clear that things were rushed in service to switching everything on a dime to make a “saga”

upper pasture
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i think it's just a case of "hey we need to run an ad"" then they were given this one since we don't really have anything super important to show off right now

zealous sedge
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I’ve accepted that fact and just looking forward to the next content release and have a modicum of hope that the story and content will be more streamlined.

ember blaze
zealous sedge
ember blaze
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because youre getting "more content"

zealous sedge
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I’m lost

upper pasture
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you mean the current side story that's laying the foundation for more grounded and real stories and villains in the future?

ember blaze
upper pasture
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like literally one of the things people complain about all the time is how "villians come out of nowhere and are one patch/expansion and then gone"

zealous sedge
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It’s not about the amount of content for me. I just want to escape from real life for a little bit. I work too hard to let a cinematic ruin everything.

ember blaze
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idk man if i had zero standards id be praising gamefreak for their work

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but i expect more from wow

upper pasture
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...people DO praise gamefreak for their work tho?

ember blaze
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yes

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go into the pokemon sub

zealous sedge
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Ok so now I have zero standards? Got it. Complaining to me about WoW’s quality isn’t gonna change Blizzard’s development. Why not express your feedback directly to them?

ember blaze
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im just voicing my opinion in a public chat talking about the patch

upper pasture
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the internet is like the worse place for real feedback, have you considered talking to actual peers?

zealous sedge
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Your opinion is valid Tobi

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TWW has just been pretty good for me so far and while the Arathor side quest was not their best work it’s not the worst of all time. I agree some storytelling should have some more oversight. I feel like they just stick some developers on a project as a testing ground for upward movement and sometimes it falls flat. I had the same exact feeling with dastardly duos.

ember blaze
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@deep pawn this guy has a pet named bard 🤔

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uncut vault
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so it's not really about the questline (which does have issues), it's just about identity politics

deep pawn
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Faerin is a woman so she's not Warcraft. I need my Samwise hairy muscly blood dripping men and that's it! /s

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But I don't want to play a man cause who wants to stare at a man's butt for hours a day!

pulsar minnow
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the most annoying shit is the people saying they want the "metal" WoW back, and then using illustrations Metzen and Samwise made back when they were first drafting warcraft itself

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without realizing samwise and metzen's style is incredibly stylized and 'cartoony'

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for example they obsess over this image. Without understanding that this style never made it into WoW to begin with

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deep pawn
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Mostly cause you couldn't have models like that in 2003 haha, at least not without destroiyng most PCs haha

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And Blizzard also deliberately went after a lower rating

pulsar minnow
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well obviously but thats the point

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Warcraft as a game was never that metal

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Only the illustrations that accompanied the game were, and those haven't gone anywhere either

deep pawn
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lol, the post raid stay a while getting leaked is hilarious

glass flicker
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Blight Boar was a step in the right direction. Give us more Blizzard metal music.

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The sound team never misses, they're just limited to ambiental music. Undermine was great. So full of jazz, black ska, even some swing.

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Let the music team cook.

deep pawn
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I'd love more direct music but people say that should stick to ff14

pulsar minnow
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bring back tracks like the Battle for Dazar Alor music

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such good music for those fights

ember blaze
deep pawn
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It's pretty big spoilers that may have been found by breaking encryption

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So a bit more nebulous that normal datamining

zealous sedge
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The current discourse about the Khadgar wheelchair in the mmochampion thread is soooo funny

deep pawn
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I think it's stupid. It's a wheelchair. Maybe it takes less magic to roll sometimes but it floats cause rocks and stuff

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But nooo, it's pandering cause if it's not a straight white male in perfect health it shouldn't exist

zealous sedge
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Last 30 seconds show how big the room is for the Dimensius fight.https://youtu.be/L2j91OKOShQ?si=fsapT87p__tXkYs1

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Patch 11.2: Ghosts of K'aresh PTR
Manaforge Omega built to drain cosmic energy… now under the control of the Shadowguard. Their goal? To Revive Dimensius, the All-Devouring. Alleria, Locus-Walker, and Xal’atath stand with us… but the question is — will it be enough? What do you think… can we actually stop this?

#worldofwarcraft #mana...

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upper pasture
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also we have had wheelchairs in the past too so, it's not totally out of left field

zealous sedge
deep pawn
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People hated Drekthar too

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"real orcs would have just let him die"

glass flicker
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Yeah, 'cause having good music is a franchise thing.

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They even got Neal Acree in the studio, making music, and they're making him come up with ambiental crap instead of things he's good at.

deep pawn
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I'm told WoW's "ambiance" is what its best at lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWH1KKOsoY Yet I think this is one of the best pieces WoW's done.

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World of Warcraft: Legion - Anduins Theme - Neal Acree ft. Julie Elven

The Tomb of Sargeras has been reopened, and the demons of the Burning Legion pour into our world. Their full, terrifying might is fixed on summoning the Dark Titan to Azeroth—and they’ve already located the key to his return.
With the Alliance and Horde devastated, only you can take up Warcraft’s most legendary artifacts, scour the ancient...

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and of course Invincible.

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I like the lyrical parts of WoW music

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and not just "ominous latin chanting"

harsh mason
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Anduin theme>invincible

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Sorry for true🗿

harsh mason
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Ppl so funny

pulsar minnow
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literally. there's not a lack of badass stuff

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that said I think the expansion could benefit from just one hype cinematic like the Rastakhan vs Zul, Garrosh vs Thrall, etc..

harsh mason
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What's interesting is that the Rast vs Zul fight is, in my opinion, the epitome of BFA: it looks cool on the surface, but it doesn't make any sense.

pulsar minnow
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pretty much

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seeing rastakhan fight was just really awesome tho, so rule of cool wins out I guess

harsh mason
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So, Blizz made a full-fledged cinematic for a fight that just exists to be

deep pawn
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I did love Maldraxxus

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But people just hate Shadowlands

harsh mason
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But at the same time, we were briefly shown that Zul had actually returned to life (after which he was immediately killed again)🗿

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Kael’thas moment

glass flicker
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Warcraft just needs their music to be better. Undermine proved it can be. Just flippin' do it.

deep pawn
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I keep the music on in FF14

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I often turn WoW's off to listen to other stuff

glass flicker
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Same. And I think that's a pity.

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I'm repeating myself, but the Blight Boar theme goes so well with Sylvanas's boss fight.

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It's basically Lament of the Highborne, death metal.

quartz lintel
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POSSIBLE BIG SPOILER FOR THE END OF OMEGA FORGE:

||Xal'Atath kills Locus Walker before fleeing with the Dark Heart boosted to 100%, Alleria is devastated and vows to hunt her down for good following her betrayal.||

tropic trail
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Oh wow

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How she absorbed heart to 100% with what?

quartz lintel
# tropic trail How she absorbed heart to 100% with what?

||Dimensius is one of the most powerful voidlord, he's apparently still alive (cuz you cant kill something that is outside the cycle of life and death, like the old gods (they are dead physicamy on Azeroth, by their essence, their conscious are returned in the void, im sure we will see them again in the future), but trapped in the dark heart. And an unlimited source of pure Void energy.

I think her goal is to absorb ALL Voidlords to rule alone the Darkness realm of Zereth Umbris and invade the others forces to become the mistress of all cosmic forces with the help of 2 others allies||

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||Azshara, and Denathrius||

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||Or her goal is to go Outside the Universe to go to this 7th cosmic force, by destroy the veil between the light and Darkness||

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||OK oubliez tout ce que j'ai Dis.

D'après les Dialogues, le but de Xal'Atath depuis le début était de devenir la nouvelle ALL-DEVOURING||

warm topaz
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you don't need to use the spoiler thing in this channel

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that's why it's called "ptr-spoilers"

tropic trail
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Yea haha 😂

harsh mason
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But she can't do it on her own, so she needs Dark Heart.

glass flicker
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Well, the Dark Heart is pretty fragile, if an arrow from Alleria could crack it.

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Just yeet the thing into a volcano.

quartz lintel
glass flicker
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🤣

mighty wolf
austere gazelle
# quartz lintel ||Dimensius is one of the most powerful voidlord, he's apparently still alive (c...

I'd think that devouring or corrupting Azeroth is spelling doome for the entire creation, no need to become the mistress of all cosmic forces

The original plan ( told by the Nathrezim, so could be a fake ) was for the void lords to send old gods to corrupt a nascent world soul into a Dark titan

We now know it wasn't excactly right, but not false too.

We've seen that a world soul corrupted by death turned Argus into a sort of Eternal One that crashed into the fake Arbiter.
There is reason to believe that Azeroth, labelled as the " Prme World Soul " would have something really nasty going on if corrupted by a specific force, be it Titan or Void, to become something else entirely. We don't know the scope yet, but If Xal put her hands on her, it'll have dramatic consequence, considering Azeroth's power atm seems a mix of Light, Void ( Beledar ) Life, Dream coming to life ( the radiant song ) and somehow influencing living creature into become unbound and full of free will, from their original cosmic force ( Earthen rebelling against titans ), Dragonflight being free from their Order Shackle by being directly empowered by Azeroth, etc, etc ...

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It's possible that Azeroth 's power is the one of Dream. Dream make true, dream becoming reality, dream to be free from their shackle or to fulfill your wish or desire..If that's true and Xal put her hands on it, she'll be unstoppable

keen mango
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Hey, has anyone been able to get one-handed weapons for testing on PTR? Vendor seems t have only int dagger

harsh mason
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Don't judge a girl for her hobby🗿

pulsar minnow
# austere gazelle I'd think that devouring or corrupting Azeroth is spelling doome for the entire ...

Seeing as how Azeroth has been influenced by basically every single cosmic force at this point, my guess is that she’s a First One.

Don’t forget the N’zoth whisper “She is not the last, but the first.” In reference to the “Last Titan” label she has.

I mean, our connection to her was able to open the way gates in the Maw to help us escape to Oribos. A projection of Azeroth was also literally in the Sepulcher. I feel like that’s a big tell tale sign we can’t just look over

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I mean she’s called the PRIME world soul

harsh mason
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To be honest, I'm a little (actually, a lot) sad about the fact that the relationship between Locus-Walker and Alleria has completely deteriorated, and she will literally disown him and call him a monster, and then he will die.

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It's like you say something mean to a friend out of anger, and then realize that they're gone.

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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The whole dialogue of her going “no locus Walker, I’m not like you, because I would never give up my family” or whatever before mana forge omega. As if she totally understands what it’s like to be under siege by a full power void lord

harsh mason
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Her reaction is quite rational in a situation where first your teacher pushes you on the path of complete transformation into a different being, saying, "Only you can do this," and then you find out about him.

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And there's Xal, whom he asks you to trust.

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I would personally have a nervous breakdown in such a situation

austere gazelle
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Still wondering if we will ever know Xal real name

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Xal'atath is just a void name for a weapon

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like Xal'atoh , the desecrated image of Gorehowl

pulsar minnow
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Like I’m not saying blowing up a planet is good obviously but the whole idea is that he sacrificed K’aresh to save the ethereal people no?

little hound
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rain cave
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And xal is actually the void reflection of something else

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Just like how corrupted gorehowl is a copy

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Or if you want to look at what people are saying she wants to do, "cut" or "sever" the veil for the void/7th cosmic force it w/e

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Maybe her name is just like, the one who severs

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And corrupted gorehowl is a tool that severs

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It's probably true that it's just stylistic names that happen to overlap though. Just they could give it a meaning like that if they wanted

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Or maybe we're focusing on the wrong part of the name, just found a mythological creature/demon called an 'Ala' that are known for possessing people, taking on a giant indistinct form or humanoid forms, are female, are thought to try devour the sun/ moon and cause eclipses in their attempts to devour things.

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In some languages the name originates from a word 'xala' as well

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Ala (demon)

An ala or hala (plural: ale or hali) is a female mythological creature recorded in the folklore of Bulgarians, Macedonians, and Serbs. Ale are considered demons of bad weather whose main purpose is to lead hail-producing thunderclouds in the direction of fields, vineyards, or orchards to destroy the crops, or loot and take them away. Extremely v...

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I mean she was called Xal’Atath before she was turned into a knife

deep pawn
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Locus Walker got what he deserved and I'm sad Alleria isn't realizing what the void inevitably leads to

deep pawn
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"I need to avenge him for the good he did while making peace with the evil he did." Is just so weak lol. It's one of those cases where using the power as he is inevitably leads to this end.

hard axle
pulsar minnow
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Xal kills him. That’s not him falling to the void

hard axle
pulsar minnow
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He’s basically void Illidan

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He isn’t controlled by the void he controls it

hard axle
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Just because you control something, doesn't mean you won't be influinced by it, especially energies as potent as the 6 cosmic forces

deep pawn
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Just dabbling in it, thinking it can be your friend.

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It's like that one character from Order of the Stick who thought mindless undead just needed enough love to love her back. Got torn apart by her own creations because the undead she made had 0 free will and someone else could steal control.

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Locus Walker pretended the void wasn't his natural enemy, that it could forever be tamed.

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He paid the cost for that

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He's some peak level hubris I haven't seen since Xe'ra

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Playable character Warlocks and Shadow Priests also play with fire but the PC is always unique

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Also so far no PC has done what Locus Walker and Alleria have done.

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Not even void elves have gone that far yet

pulsar minnow