beta-ptr-spoilers

[glass flicker]

Why'd they have to take away his crimson plate?

[zealous sedge]

Wait really? I thought he had a unique model in cata

[glass flicker]

He didn't.

[lavish raptor]

no i found that out while playing some cata classic

[zealous sedge]

Oh shit never mind

I just looked it up

[glass flicker]

This is how he looked pre Legion.

[zealous sedge]

Hahaha

[lavish raptor]

no swag

[glass flicker]

Blizzard really had an issue with nose rings around the MoP and WoD era.

Even Thrall had one.

[lavish raptor]

they were fashionable!

[zealous sedge]

Wow was in it demo era

Emo*

[glass flicker]

Thrall has only wore a nose ring in Warcraft 3 and WoD.

[glass fulcrum]

This sword was always cool but I always feel like it doesnt make sense due to the blade being bigger than the sheathe horizontally

[lavish raptor]

spellsword, he totally uses magic to get it to fit in

[glass flicker]

Maaaaagic.

Oh yeah, before I forget, you know who also doesn't have an unique model but deserves one?

Shandris Feathermoon. Malfurion and Tyrande retired, for the time being, leaving her in charge of the night elves.

Meanwhile, she looks like this.

🤮

[lavish raptor]

maybe in midnight

[glass flicker]

Praying. 'Cause her outfit is simply not good.

If I had a say in the matter, I would give her this outfit:

Priestess Kasparain from Tomb of Sargeras.

Simply recolor it to the traditional white and pink night elves wear, remove the helm, and you got yourself a perfect Shandris outfit.

As for the hairstyle, give her a long-ass braid that reaches her legs.

[zealous sedge]

I hope blizzard realizes how much hype their already is around midnight

[glass flicker]

Kinda like what Geya'rah has going.

[zealous sedge]

Infinitely more than TWW

Like if it’s not S tier people are gonna be disappointed

Gotta match legion/ wrath territory

[glass flicker]

I agree.

[zealous sedge]

I try to temper my expectations but the premise of Midnight is just too good

[lavish raptor]

hope for wrath expect SL

[glass flicker]

Like I was saying, Geya'rah's braid.

Just give Shandris a braid like that, but without the mohawk.

[ember blaze]

dwarf expansion: 🛌 🛌 🛌 🛌 🛌
Elves expansion: 🛏️ 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ 🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[zealous sedge]

TWW is like B+ for me

Undermine was a bit of a miss

[ember blaze]

i liked the goblin patch since theyre funny and fun

[zealous sedge]

i like the theme dont get me wrong

[ember blaze]

i just find dwarves boring in general

[zealous sedge]

the rep grind is annoying

[ember blaze]

i dont like their buildings, i dont like their race

[zealous sedge]

i just feel burnt out on it

[ember blaze]

i dont like their story

[upper pasture]

I need to move my alts back and finish the chett cards -_-

Still only ended up with like 7 of the miscellaneous mechanica

[ember blaze]

dont u need like 5 years to get the achieve if u only do 1 char

on top of that they added mount?rare? rewards back to paragon boxes 🛌

like whyyy

[silent urchin]

They're pretty common. May even have hidden bad luck protection. You get about 10k rep/week just doing the weeklies, which is maybe 30min of effort

[upper pasture]

It’s just 100 weeks if you are only doing one card a week

Oh the reps

Yeah it’s long but chett cards can be turned into your choice of cartel that week and that was before they buffed the other rep gain sources

[deep pawn]

I'm exalted with 2 regular cartels

haven't even gotten to farming paragons yet

[rain cave]

whilst the armour overall is cool that hewlmet is something

and I don't think it fits shandris

[glass flicker]

Like I said, remove the helm.

[rain cave]

but even then it's very priestessy

whereas shandris is more of a practical ranger type

like sure nelf's have more open armour designs like their heritage armour

[glass flicker]

My sibling in Naaru, have you SEEN the things night elf rangers wear?

[rain cave]

yeah

but that's not overlly embellished

[rain cave]

imo there's a difference between that style where there are skimpy elements but then it's also very bulky

[glass flicker]

Is this priestessy?

[rain cave]

and the heritage

where it's more just lightweight and naturalistic

[rain cave]

that's just the general nelf style so it kind of encompasses most of their culture in some aspect

so it's a middleground

but I'd say no

[glass flicker]

It loses a lot of the practical elements that the other armor has, which would fit Shandris more.

[rain cave]

also fuck me why is it so low rez in that image

[glass flicker]

Because Google.

[rain cave]

this armour? is not practical

[rain cave]

no I mean the actual armour not the image

[glass flicker]

Covering up your body is now not practical.

Make it make sense.

[rain cave]

I mean, depends on what the armour is for?

practical doesn't just mean defensive

[glass flicker]

If you want to be nitpicky, it's a bit too bulky on the shoulders and gloves for an archer.

[rain cave]

she's a ranger, she needs mobility. Sharp plate armour like that would dig into you as you ran with the exposed thighs and arms, not to mention slowing you down. If you want to get realistic

but this is WoW we don't do that argument really

it become pedantic quick

[glass flicker]

I know what you're getting at. I'm playing a hunter right now, and chose the simplest of transmogs while still making it practical.

But again.

[rain cave]

my point is that the armour from nighthold there is a priestess's armour, it's decorative in design

too flashy for shandris

[glass flicker]

I can't ask for realism when the bow string clips through her chest.

[rain cave]

historically she's veen very muted/neutral in her outfits

[glass flicker]

I could make a better outfit than her BfA one with a paper towel and some crayons though, it's just not a good transmog.

She needs either an unique model or a custom transmog like what Merithra got.

'Cause no, Merithra doesn't have an unique model. Just an unique transmog.

Hell, just look at her Warcraft 3 design.

Just put it in WoW and give it to Shandris.

That crescent moon necklace is doing so much for the design, just by itself.

[rain cave]

god I hate how WC3 reforged looks sometimes

[glass flicker]

Big sigh.

[rain cave]

the shading specifically is just so ugly to me her forehead looks so lumpy lmao xD

also isn't that just the default nelf rangermodel?

not familiar with wc3 reforged

[glass flicker]

It's not, she uses the same bow she does in WoW.

Blizzard actually paid attention to what weapons characters use. Even Antonidas uses the staff that drops from ICC.

This is the night elf ranger model.

Is it an even better outfit? Certainly.

[rain cave]

just tried to get something with a similar vibe

not sure though, I think it's a bit too similar

[glass flicker]

Somehow even worse.

There's nothing night elf about that look.

[rain cave]

I mean I'd argue there is

but I know what you mean

there's an awkward thing though which is that the night elves themselves don't have a distinct outfit

the druids, priestesses, sentinels and even just random NPC's all are different

[rain cave]

especially in newer lore where you don't have to just be a poster child of your race in every outfit

[glass flicker]

There. It's that easy.

[rain cave]

no that's too decorative

imo

doesn't fit her

like there's no reason that shandris has to wear all the metal and moon symbols

we just don't have anything that's like a lowkey outfit with some night elf/ general nature accessories

[glass flicker]

If Tyrande had a reason, I'm sure her friggin' daughter can have one too. You know, such as trying to appear more iconic and symbolic to the kaldorei people?

[rain cave]

why would shandris want that though

[glass flicker]

Since she's currently their leader?

[rain cave]

why's genn not wearing a crown then

and long flowing kings robes

[glass flicker]

Because he's not king anymore.

[rain cave]

he's the king of gilneas no?

[glass flicker]

Not anymore.

[rain cave]

also we've not really seen shandris since she became the leader in lore

not in a major capacity

[glass flicker]

Genn gave Tess the kingdom officially at the end of DF.

[rain cave]

so who's their current leader?

[glass flicker]

Did you not pay attention? Did you not read the quests?

[rain cave]

i must have missed that, what quest was that tied to?

I know we had a horde questline

[glass flicker]

The Reclamation of Gilneas.

[rain cave]

in DF

[glass flicker]

You know, go in, kill a bunch of Scarlet Crusaders.

[rain cave]

isn't that the heritage armour?

[glass flicker]

No?

[rain cave]

idk not played that

didn't even know it existed

end of DF was a blur for me since I wasn't playing

though I don't really like the idea of tess as the leader of gilneas

[glass flicker]

Right, so, what happened is people got sick of the Scarlet Crusade for still existing, they went down to Gilneas, killed a bunch of them, worgen have their home back. Lilian Voss helped. Tess is now queen.

[rain cave]

Tess isn't even afflicted by the worgen curse

[glass flicker]

And isn't that more poetic?

The unafflicted queen leading an army of wolfmen?

[rain cave]

how is that poetic

that just sounds like ao3 smut

[glass flicker]

Big sigh.

[rain cave]

imo it would be better if there was a self awareness of the fact that despite her "people" still being the same under their curse, their struggle that has defined them going forward means she cannot understand them fully. But also doesn't want them to be solely defined by that curse

so instead abdicating the throne and taking advice from Calia and creating a council/parliment

where she can reside but also bring in the other important worgen/gilneans

[glass flicker]

Abdicate it to who?

[rain cave]

as in remove the monarchy

like in lordaeron with the undead

where they just moved to a council

[glass flicker]

That's not a good idea for two reasons. One, disorganization. Two, Genn wouldn't let her.

[rain cave]

because Calia would be a bad leader to have solely but she has a place in their leadership

so you're saying monarchies are good because they're organized? what

[glass flicker]

If Tess abdicates, someone will want to fill that power gap. It's literally how it always goes. Calia had the benefit of likeminded individuals.

[rain cave]

they can fill the power gap with a parliment

[lavish raptor]

arent people also generally tired of councils

Like the audience

[glass flicker]

I know I am.

[rain cave]

I think the obsession and normalisation with monarchies in fantasy is the real tiring thing

[glass flicker]

Then you're not playing the correct genre of fantasy for your tastes.

[rain cave]

like monarchies are not a good system of governance and it annoys me when they are treated as like a good thing

it's why I like the horde and undead council

and I hope that anduin reforms the stormwind throne away from a monarchy when he returns

and instead also allows the alliance to just work as a power together instead of having a centre figurehead dictated by bloodlines

[lavish raptor]

every time i see a discussion on councils in wow fansites its usually annoyance

[rain cave]

I've not really seen a good argument against the council

just people disliking it

[glass flicker]

I like the idea of councils, but I also like the idea of big, badass leaders. Fine, have an Alliance council, or whatever, but let Anduin be their speaker and their decision-maker.

[rain cave]

we can have big badass leaders

there are still places of authority within a system like that

[lavish raptor]

Stormwind as a representative democracy: "uh oh we elected an evil black dragon. Again."

[rain cave]

well there's only 3 options for that so

and none of them are evil xD

[lavish raptor]

We Made Up More Evil Dragons, the patch

[glass flicker]

Don't tell me you're one of those "The Alliance never does bad things!" preachers.

[rain cave]

who?

[glass flicker]

[rain cave]

me?

idk what I would have said to make you think I am, since I'm very much not

if anything culturally the alliance have had generally worse things going on historically

[glass flicker]

Maybe I just misunderstood that "and none of them are evil xD" message.

[rain cave]

I mean black dragons

[glass flicker]

That's fair.

[uncut vault]

There’s a place in fantasy for the simple “this is the good leader” ideas ala Lord of the Rings, but WoW’s put too much narrative critique into systems of power to really go back to that

You can’t have an xpac like BfA tearing down the Horde’s emphasis on their warchief only to turn around and go “actually Anduin being king is a great thing!”

[glass flicker]

They wrote themselves into a corner by trying to make everyone equal, I'd say.

The top dog making a tactical error, spelling doom for his comrades can be an expertly written narrative.

But, Blizzard.

[rain cave]

but yeah hsitorically the alliance have:
-Stormwind humans whose leadership abused the working class and stomped a rebellion started by the labourers that built their city

• Night elves who had a judgemental, gender based society with supremacy built into parts of their culture
• Dwarves, who had racism so bad it caused a dispute that led to ragnaros being summoned and while the rift is healing, the scars of that division linger
• Gnomes they move in an exterminate lepper gnomes instead of trying to find a way to help them.
• Draenei, religious zealotry was/is prevalent in parts of their culture

meanwhile the horde is made of a bunch of misfits picking up the pieces of mistakes and choices not their own

[glass flicker]

TO BE FAIR, that was Dark Iron Dwarves making most of the mess. Bronzebeards and Wildhammers were super chill with other races, and they even helped rescue Quel'dorei children during the Troll Wars.

You know, with their gryphons.

[rain cave]

still, instead of magni sitting down at the diplomacy table they raided the place and killed moira's husband

[glass flicker]

I'll never understand people who say dwarves and elves hate each other, 'cause every piece of lore says THEY DON'T.

[rain cave]

but yeah meanwhile the horde is literally orcs who just want a life after the war they were manipulated into after escaping slavery, undead who just exist it's not their fault, blood elves who had 90% of their population wiped out and not to mention the human racism against them in WC3, etc etc

[glass flicker]

Garrithos actually caused the Alliance to have less troops through the power of racism.

Surprised nobody just shot him dead.

I mean, of the high elves.

[deep pawn]

ugh, Blizzard would release MoP 2 weeks before 11.2

[zealous sedge]

yeah

good thing remix ruined mop for me so i have no interest lol

think we get any news today?

or just drought til next weekend

[zealous sedge]

dastardly duos also looking like its timegated rewards

[lavish raptor]

People should expect timegating to be the norm. Idk why there's any expectation against that.

[zealous sedge]

I dont really mind by the way just pointing it out

yeah idk either

it feels like these reward systems are paced differently than in the past but everything has usually been timegated

i think people are just mad about the actual content not the timegating

[lavish raptor]

Hmm maybe

[silent urchin]

is it still timegating if the content is ready but not deployed to the live client til it's released

cause blizz could easily do that

[lavish raptor]

honestly i prefer not having a million things to do day one

[silent urchin]

I think the pacing of 11.1.5 has been pretty good tbh

and 11.1 as a whole

[zealous sedge]

yeah i agree

i mean bascailly in the video about duos they said that each week new quests will come which implied new rewards each week

and its 6 weeks

[silent urchin]

I find it pretty weird how suddenly stuff that's cosmetic only still needs to have the fun optimised out of iti immediately

[lavish raptor]

Right

[zealous sedge]

so that implies timegating but i really am fine with that

but yes on the otherhand cosmetic stuff shouldnt be timegated

[silent urchin]

I'm still expecting a bunch of people to complain they spent all their mementos on cosmetics and now have to grind them again for power

[zealous sedge]

haha yeah that is inevitable

i havent bought a single cosmetic yet

[lavish raptor]

The visions cosmetic set is just a raid finder palette swap of the mythic nya set

Its very low concern for me

hehe

[zealous sedge]

duos rewards are kinda weak tbh https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/dastardly-duos-overview-rewards

the mount is cool tho

[lavish raptor]

im assuming its 80 only

it sounds like it'd be fun on my lv11 fwar lol

[upper pasture]

Eh, there’s enough not in remix to make me want to pick up classic MoP

If I have enough time is a different story

[glass flicker]

I'm gonna play the panda experience for the mount and that's it.

[zealous sedge]

rip SoD. I wonder what they are working on next for Classic

[glass flicker]

Frankly, I hope they stop. Retail has too little content for them to stretch resources this thin.

It's upsetting, too, 'cause The War Within isn't even bad, it's just lackluster after you finish your weeklies.

[zealous sedge]

never played sod but this seems controversial

but its also a "season"

so

it was never permanent

i dont really know if classic has much effect on retail development tbh

[glass flicker]

SoD certainly did.

[ember blaze]

how

[glass flicker]

Oh gee, I wonder how balance tuning, creating new gear, adding new raid and dungeon encounters, whole new systems, and making the gameplay experience of a twenty years old game doesn't take resources away from the current one.

Golly, it must be so easy!

[ember blaze]

and why do you say this as if the teams are the same

the guy that worked on sod certainly didnt talk about the retail team as if he worked with them

[uncut vault]

you do know that classic has a separate team right haha

WoW has more developers than ever, it's expanding its resources, not reassigning them

[glass fulcrum]

Entirely different teams

Like maybe some people who worked on retail put some time into something for SoD, but almost all of SoD was actually pretty minimal

The runes were done in P1 (as in making them work)
Class tier didn't start until 60
Boss mechanics in almost all the Classic raids were the same outside of hardmodes (which usually modified stats rather than mechanics)
DFC & KC were already built, and just had mobs added (obv mechanics too, I just mean they didn't have to design environment & assets)
Almost all models are already in the game and just being recolored

I really liked SoD. I always knew it would end, I didn't expect it to move to TBC (and didn't think it should honestly), and I like retail too. Scarlet Enclave was the only big big project in SoD, and it came out way after TWW S2 did, so it can't even be put to blame for it.

[upper pasture]

yes, they are different teams but to say they don't learn things from each other is very dismissive and naive.

[upper pasture]

as if it doesn't take like 2 runs to get all the mementos you'd need for the 4 new talents this week lol

[glass fulcrum]

oh totally agree, idk if something I said indicates otherwise if it does mb

With how well the Karazhan Crypts dungeon was recieved I hope they try something like that in retail (I don't mean the dark effect, just the explore & coordination part)

Except Kharon, that fight was silly if you weren't in discord

[deep pawn]

The classic team doesn't work on retail at all.

[fathom fulcrum]

Stromgarde Tabard lets goooooo

[sullen dawn]

I assume the silvermoon pole arm in trading post was done in midnight production cycle

[deep pawn]

or leftover from something older

[zealous sedge]

yay an actual mount for completing trading post

love this

[deep pawn]

pair it with the helm

[zealous sedge]

yeah exactly

ride on the cormaera to complete

the goat kinda a miss ngl lol

but thats ok

[lavish raptor]

should have been a rainbow sparklegoat

[deep pawn]

I'm done with this season outside of a couple small things and waiting sucks

[zealous sedge]

Basically same I just got AOTC yesterday and just need to finish the main cartel of undermine rep and nightfall stuff for the mog. Horrific visions has fell flat for me but probably gonna grind it out at the end once we get the full tree

[upper pasture]

HV has been fun and challenging but it’s “challenging” because we don’t have the full tree

I am only like 42k away from finishing it besides 8 mask clears

Once we go back to SW next week I’ll have all the mounts that are drops and I’ll just have to clean up the achievements, I still haven’t finished the mogs from nightfall or delves this season. I also should work on the tier sets too before long.

[silent urchin]

visions feel specifically crafted to make shadow priest feel as awful to play as possible

[lavish raptor]

umm yeah spriests like the void. thats your house. let the darkness consume you.

[zealous sedge]

As a shadow priest main yes

[silent urchin]

I'm a holy main but considering rerolling to pally or something. Partly for tank spec access and partly for a dps spec that isn't so tied to an incredibly awkward method of multidotting to do any damage in AOE

also this is a thing

[zealous sedge]

I’ve thought about switching classes myself

But idk it’s a daunting task for a player like me

Have we ever seen them label patches as alpha

I mean it makes sense to label as such just never seen it before

[silent urchin]

I suspect it's a newer thing. More for testing the side-projects like remix or plunderstorm (or housing), which have longer dev cycles than the standard patch content

[ember blaze]

im waiting for bard/gunner to switch classes ☕

[dense plover]

more likely leftover from something older - i think it might actually be a nightborne weapon since thats what the other color is, and they recolored this one

[zealous sedge]

i might try out demon hunter. i want to play thru their legion order hall storyline. I wish they had a ranged spec tho

[glass flicker]

I hope they'll add another class that wears mail. We have very little variety there. It's 90% ranged specs, it needs more melee.

I imagine a spec that uses spectral weapons in a combo system where every ability empowers another, in a sort of clockwise rotation, and it's all about conjuring different magical weapons to bonk someone with.

Could be a Conjuration Battlemage, if you'd like.

Another spec could be focused around mobility, with a blink that does damage, and you have to reduce its CD with your other abilities.

That one could be a little too unbalanced for PvP though, so instead of a blink that does damage, it could be something else. Sky's the limit with battlemages, but they better wear mail and be able to use shields.

They also, obviously, have the Silencer spec.

For all your blood elf needs.

[deep pawn]

they've been testing earlier internally for a while now

our first 11.2 build was over a month ago

[uncut vault]

It's got two other recolors, one felborne one and one farstrider-y one

was added in 11.1.5, and doesn't really have any other gear in the game it explicitly matches in theme

So it probably was just a random trading post thing that someone made in concept art, ala all the new Forsaken stuff coming next patch

[zealous sedge]

did they secretly buff steeled mind? Im losing sanity way less quickly now. I got the 3rd upgrade track on it yesterday and it was still way faster sanity loss than today

[ember blaze]

no, it's in ur head

[deep pawn]

Just like last week you had to full clear once to get the lower sanity drain

So you're probably noticing the difference between your first run and subsequent

[zealous sedge]

oh

that makes sense

[sullen dawn]

Im 1000% convinced we get Tinker (might be called and themed Artifcer so not some goblj/gnome centric) as mail class in TLT

[twilit coral]

11.2 today at PTR? I think is time

[thin warren]

Would be

[warm topaz]

could be yeah

I don't think they will wait much more

[silent urchin]

I think we'll get a proper announcement rather than it just appearing on PTR, still hoping that's next weekend at the latest

should get the 11.1.7 release date confirmed fairly soon too

[lavish raptor]

I think it was confirmed june 17th if my memory serves me right

[warm topaz]

yeah I think they'll announce a "tune in to lookm at what's next for WoW" type video

[silent urchin]

We haven't had the official post for the date yet. It's pretty clear that they're aiming for the 17th, but I think the official post means they've done the final go/no go and it's not getting delayed

[rain cave]

Tinker probably?

[glass flicker]

Why?

[rain cave]

Makes sense for a tinker to wear mail to me

[lavish raptor]

We need a mail-using tank class

[rain cave]

Yeah tinker probably could have tanking

And I think it's just the only armour class they could be

[sullen dawn]

That would be so hype

[sullen dawn]

Yeh tinker but I think they'll call it Artificer

(Would prefer tinker ofc but I think they'll want a theme better for more races)

For TLT

[harsh mason]

Bro, the PTR physically cannot start before the patch release. 2 months have not passed yet

I really don't understand how this works, if one (let's not name him) says on Twitter that it's time to announce 11.2 (although it hasn't been 2 months since the release of 11.1.5), then everyone started repeating it.🗿

[rain cave]

Find be that tinker or artificer are spec names

With the other being the class name

Like you could be an artificer tinker

[glass flicker]

I don't like the idea of Tinker, at all, 'cause it kinda goes against the benefit of having crafting professions.

[rain cave]

Ehh not really

[glass flicker]

Why would we have Engineering if we have Tinkers? Why would we have First Aid when we could have a Combat Medic class?

[rain cave]

We don't have first aid

[glass flicker]

Not anymore, that is.

[rain cave]

Imo tinkers in that sense are just weaponizing all those things

Like we have enchanting in the game, but still mages

Blacksmithing and warriors

Alchemy and rogue

[glass flicker]

Those are quite some extreme cases.

[rain cave]

Also they're introducing increased fantasy/lore to accommodate them in the future but making them more distinct

Like they might flavour tinker stuff as more titan machinery

But personally I think they should just go for a more general tinker then add that as a hero spec

[glass flicker]

A hero spec for what class?

[rain cave]

Tinker

[glass flicker]

Aaaaanyway, like I was saying. Add battlemages instead.

[lavish raptor]

Wouldnt be the first time that people blindly latch onto what a random dude says without any evidence or checking for themselves or critical thinking

[rain cave]

Kind of dks

[glass flicker]

I mean, not really? Would you say Feral Druid = Rogue too?

It's not the first time a class borrowed from another.

Demon Hunter is fully made up of stolen abilities.

[rain cave]

I mean in the sense that you're a melee spellcaster

[rain cave]

Not fully, just meta

And even then meta was stolen by locks from wc3 dh

[deep pawn]

they absolutely can have two ptrs up at once especially when you have one as light as 11.1.7

[rain cave]

But yeah they should add a new spec or hero spec to let mages have a more martial playstyle

Even if its like hybrid

I'm all for them doing that with hero specs

[glass flicker]

Eye Beam = Fists of Fury, pre-Legion
Fel Rush = Chi Torpedo, pre-Legion
Infernal Strike = Heroic Leap
Chaos Strike = Heroic Strike

[deep pawn]

That said, I'm not expecting ptr until 11th or 12th

[glass flicker]

Should I keep going?

[rain cave]

Sinister strike = slam
Fireball = frostbolt
Ray of frost = mind flay

Should I keep going :P

[glass flicker]

So, instead of saying "oh, battlemages are already just DKs"
Think of the ways that they could be unique.

[rain cave]

Yeah

Hero spec for mages

[glass flicker]

You know, borrow the empowerment mechanic from Evokers to make melee hits do something cool.

Hell knows.

[rain cave]

Battlemages can be a lot of things so there needs to be a clear vision of what they want to add

Because it could bloat

[glass flicker]

Battlemages have, quite literally, infinite potential.

[rain cave]

But also in the context of wows classes, not much

The clearest area for it is like, an agile spellsword

And I think that can fit into a 4th hero spec

[glass flicker]

I think they can move from being able to cast whatever ability you want whenever you want, and go in the direction FFXIV went, with combo abilities. One ability follows another, which follows another, making it a nice, smooth 1-2-3 button game, with some other flair thrown in.

Battlemages could be that, and much more.

[rain cave]

I think spellblade should be more complicated like weaver in gw2

[glass flicker]

Spellblade would be a spec.

Battlemage is the class, Spellblade is a spec, Conjurer could be another spec, and Silencer the third.

Hell, give it a fourth spec, if you really want to.

Like I said, infinite potential.

[rain cave]

There's not enough for a full class imo

Because it would end up just be repackaging areas of dk and mage where there's already overlap between them

And for that fantasy especially

Anti magic stuff is dk, conjuring is unholy, frost has a lot of spellblade stuff and is you know... frost like mage

[glass flicker]

You are very pessimistic about this-...
Conjuring is Unholy.

Sell this to me.

I want to hear your argument.

[rain cave]

Summoner spec

[glass flicker]

And that's conjuring?

[rain cave]

Yeah?

[glass flicker]

Forgive me, 'cause I thought the Arcane had a school of NECROMANCY.

You know?

The thing Death Knights were raised with?

[rain cave]

I don't see your point lol

[glass flicker]

It's not Conjuration just 'cause you summon minions. You literally raise them from the dead.

[rain cave]

Mechanically though?

My point is that a battlemage class would be a muddy prospect

[glass flicker]

So, is a monk a conjurer, just 'cause they can summon a managerie of Pokemons?

Is a hunter a conjurer?

[rain cave]

It doesn't fit how classes are made

Demo and unholy are summoner specs

Bm as well

[glass flicker]

Yes, and let me tell you, Demonology is not a Conjurer.

[rain cave]

I mean they are

More than the others lmao

[glass flicker]

They're literally just Telemancers with a coat of green paint.

[rain cave]

Yes, they conjure

[glass flicker]

They use portals to call their demons, they don't conjure them.

That's TELEMANCY.

[rain cave]

That's literally conjuration

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/alisaie-head-bang-ugh-headache-gif-18140039

[rain cave]

Conjuring is not creating, it's calling

[glass flicker]

Alright, have it your way.

[rain cave]

It's the Oxford dictionary way

Like I get what you want but I'm just telling you that a battlemage would not fit as a class in a simple way like that

[glass flicker]

Whatever. I'm feeling drained just having this conversation.

👋

[rain cave]

Fair

[lavish raptor]

this could double as a mage college rp piece

[deep pawn]

Okay, I went back to check for my own sanity. 10.1 went on the ptr 3/09/23. 10.0.7 went live on 3/21

[lavish raptor]

Ive found issues when they stagger the ptrs like that tbh

[rain cave]

Lmao

[deep pawn]

they've done it like once, what was the issue?

Forbidden Reach was in code lock at that point

[lavish raptor]

theres been bugs in ptr that were already fixed in live. potion bombs once didnt have a level requirement which got fixed in live, but not in the newest ptr, so i one shot the codex of chromie boss in ptr with a potion bomb on my lv15

funniest shit

[deep pawn]

that's not related to overlapping ptrs.

[lavish raptor]

i mean ive also seen shit like that due to overlapping ptrs but memory isnt memoring

not very helpful i know

[deep pawn]

They've only overlapped once or twice, and not yet during this expansion.

The only reason I think one is coming up is that 11.1.7 looks to be only 7 weeks cause they're trying to make the story mode out before Gamescom deadline

It's possible they drop the patch and ptr in the same week but I think the servers team hates that

[thin warren]

time for updated roadmap!

[deep pawn]

eh?

Probably not until August for that

[thin warren]

but, they know the names of the coming patches! at least add taht :p and maybe finetune the releasemoments :3

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjuiRH5Fn-4

[deep pawn]

no news today it looks.

[zealous sedge]

[deep pawn]

11.2.5 on the dev endpoint though

[sullen dawn]

Its only 1 week until xbox

I really think the announce is next week

And ptr either next week or following week

[deep pawn]

I think the 25th people are crazy since that would mean a 6 week ptr

and I don't trust a PTR that fast for raid and dungeon testing

[sullen dawn]

Agree

Sometime between 4th and 9th imo

[zealous sedge]

3 weeks no news got me tweaking

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-touch-grass-alphabet-soup-meme-gif-25868068

[deep pawn]

The next raid better be amazing

Nothing else justifies two patches with no lead up

[ember blaze]

i care more about the zone and dungeons 🙊

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[zealous sedge]

I will not tolerate this delve erasure

[uncut vault]

I'll be curious to see what they do with the dungeon if 11.2 is K'aresh

I can't see them doing a straight up "void ethereals attacking a place", because we've already got Seat of the Triumvirate (and probably the raid lol) for that

Maybe that will be how we get Haranir and Ethereals in the same patch, who knows

[harsh mason]

They can, but they usually don't announce a new patch until the previous one has been implemented. The exception: the announcement of patches at events (for example, 11.1 was announced for the 30th anniversary of Warcraft). But this is an exception. There are exactly 0 reasons to announce 11.2 BEFORE the release of 11.1.7.

[uncut vault]

Well there is one big one: to get more testing done haha

11.1.7 doesn't have any content that precludes the story or gameplay of 11.2, which is a big reason why they usually wait for patch reveals

And they've been on record within the last week saying "please test PTR"

[lavish raptor]

Every time i go on ptr there is barely players which worries me

[deep pawn]

You get nothing for testing

You spoil the story for testing what's on the ptr

Have to do it again when it's live

Its not like learning the raid bosses or dungeons like season patches

11.1.7 is one of the emptiest patches they've had in a while with 0 repeatable content it feels

[silent urchin]

Lorewalking is a pretty big feature that I'm sure will be expanded in the future

[lavish raptor]

I definitely feel like there needs to be rewards for PTR testing. Problem is, I'm not sure how it can be implemented without being cheesed

Im hoping the next build at least doesn't have me doing 1 dmg per second to muradin

[deep pawn]

Lorewalking will be expanded, but it's not repeatable

11.1.7 has the new delve stuff but that's just lighting puddles

[thin warren]

maybe more than lighting puddles!

so it will have the questline of Arathor and then 3 lorewalking-questlines

and overpowered delves or how are they called

[deep pawn]

Its mostly puddles and some extra Titan mobs

Officially called Overcharged I believe

[thin warren]

ah, yes! it rings a bell

[deep pawn]

Legacy of Arathor also isn't repeatable.

[thin warren]

true, maybe next season will come sooner this time, tough i doubt it with the summervacation

[deep pawn]

Datamining only suggests one week shorter

Not that I collected everything from Siren Isle yet myself

[silent urchin]

Still don't see why they'd cut it shorter

[thin warren]

Because no repeatable content?

[deep pawn]

I think they want 11.2 story mode out before Gamescom

If not the race over for world first

If Season 3 starts 5/12, story mode would be 5/19 just before Gamescom opens

If Season 3 doesn't start until the 19th then they reveal Midnight before most players finish the raid

There's a possibility they're okay with people just seeing the cutscenes on wowhead before hand, but I dunno

[silent urchin]

They announced the world soul saga before 10.2 was out

[lavish raptor]

this patch might be bare boned but its sure generating a lot of work for me on my guide haha

[sullen dawn]

You mean of August right?

[sullen dawn]

This has never been an issue before

Un fact I think theres been more cases of them revealing next expansion before final patch of previous exp, than not

[deep pawn]

I did mean August, and it hasn't been an issue before, but maybe this time if there's a big moment in the cinematics

[fathom fulcrum]

am i just locked out of this quest cuz i skipped the campaign

[sullen dawn]

True, TWSS is a new context but right now I wouldn't be thinking its a necessity

[sullen dawn]

Left: after edit

Rigjt: before

So guess it is next week after all

Tldr: the added the word "next" before "week"

@deep pawn

[deep pawn]

eh?

I don't think next means anything, but they always end the posts with roughly that message.

small ptr update happening

Man Blizzard's patch servers suck so bad these days

lol, the initializing 380mb is almost as big as the 568mb patch.

[lavish raptor]

gonna retest the arthas questline again

looks like the issues with muradin are fixed 😄

[deep pawn]

The 8th is after the end of "next week" so who knows.

[sullen dawn]

Sure but they edited it

[sullen dawn]

Its not its Sunday

[deep pawn]

This post is for Friday to Friday

There'll be another one of these before the game show

[sullen dawn]

It wont be the game show

Itll be the xbox show

But it could come before the 8th too

[deep pawn]

Xbox Games Showcase

So if it's at the Showcase there's no reason to hype up on this post since another comes out before that.

ooo, Xal'atath's Trial has some very classic WoW drums/sounds

[warm topaz]

and it's actually brand new music

awesome

at least some of it

[deep pawn]

Like my first impression is it makes the old gods sound like WoW but twisted.

Xal'atath feels very similar to the Radiant Song though.

That type of woman singing has been reserved a lot for the Naaru and Azeroth.

Eitrigg feels like a lot of classic Orc motifs

Faerin and the Wall feels reused but I can't say for sure what from. Just seems generic human.

[warm topaz]

it is reused, Arathi Highlands

[deep pawn]

oh it's just generic highlands music? Makes sense its so familiar.

[warm topaz]

yeah, plunderstorm vibes hahahaha

[deep pawn]

I don't think we've ever heard anything like the twisted login screen music from Xal's trial.

Would not surprise me if it's actually the Midnight loading screen theme.

[warm topaz]

and it's really cool that we're getting brand new music for a "side quest"

[warm topaz]

that would be awesome

[deep pawn]

Well it's a key moment

Hell we may even get it outside of Lorewalking later on as a "recap"

[warm topaz]

to me that sounds a lot Quel'Thalas/TBC/WOTLK vibes idk why

[deep pawn]

yeah, it doesn't sound like anything else they've used with Xal so far...

If it's the Quel'thalas part of the opening suite makes some more sense

It just fits Xal bargaining with N'zoth.

[fathom fulcrum]

My Gnome cant get Sojourn OW2 😔

[deep pawn]

eh?

[fathom fulcrum]

I skipped campaign

and that mf just isnt there?!!??!?!

cant get quest

gg

big unlucky ig

[deep pawn]

You'll have to be specific. You mean a quest her VA voiced for WoW?

So they've added a new exp event to the calendar as well.

Though it has odd dates

[fathom fulcrum]

no no no the achievement

Sojourn of whatever

OH DAMN IT

wrong channel

i just realized

xdddd

[lavish raptor]

bahahaha

[fathom fulcrum]

anyways rip me i guess

😔

[deep pawn]

you can still get the sojourner achievments...

skipping only removes the main story quests

[fathom fulcrum]

exactly

[upper pasture]

also, i don't think you can skip anything without doing it first on a different character

[fathom fulcrum]

but I dont want to play the different charakter

😩

[upper pasture]

no, the fact that you CAN skip it means you've done it before

[fathom fulcrum]

but not the sojourn quest

[deep pawn]

can you tell us which quest in particular, cause sojourn means optionals.

[deep pawn]

you're looking for the wrong starting point then

cause you can't skip those

[upper pasture]

Behind Closed doors/Merrix and Steelvein detailed explanation

Starts with How Scandalous! How Scandalous! from Aldra.
Continue with the questchain until you complete Report to the Councilward Report to the Councilward.

Once you have completed The Machine Speakers The Machine Speakers in The Ringing Deeps (go do the entire The Ringing Deeps The Ringing Deeps storyline via the main quest ), Saradi (Ringing Deeps version) will offer The Councilward's Summons The Councilward's Summons.
Complete that questline, ending in The Machine Speakeasy The Machine Speakeasy.'

[fathom fulcrum]

understandable

thank

https://tenor.com/view/shark-memoji-shark-cute-emoji-memoji-gif-12111701424518137693

how do i unlock PTR

is it public?!!!?!

[upper pasture]

that's what the P stands for

[fathom fulcrum]

https://eu.support.blizzard.com/en/article/211136

[upper pasture]

you just download it from the bnet launcher

[fathom fulcrum]

pog

that means i can kill ||defias people|| sooner?!??!?!

omg the prequel to 11.1.7 is free?!!?!?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24158486/delve-into-the-war-within-with-the-audio-novella-heartlands

omg narrated by the creator of Overwatch?

thats kraaaazy

[upper pasture]

..do...you...not know who Chris Metzen is?

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah the guy who created Overwatch

[upper pasture]

he also....created....Warcraft

[zealous sedge]

This feels trollish ngl

[fathom fulcrum]

what u mean

Mr Metzen literally created Overwatch, no?

[sullen dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-robinson-penis-thats-a-penis-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-4703463

[fathom fulcrum]

based

[sullen dawn]

And Club Penguin

[fathom fulcrum]

source?

[sullen dawn]

Antarctica

[mighty wolf]

Fixed a bug that greatly improves performance in Overcharged Delves, especially on low end computers.

am i understand this right? HUH

[deep pawn]

the spell effect was pretty intense and everywhere

[silent urchin]

The spell effect already got toned down a week or two ago. Although that was just visually, dunno how intensive it was on cards

[deep pawn]

bleh, someone identified the first part of the trial music, it's from Nyalotha.

But they think the singing is still new

[uncut vault]

Isn't the singing part of Xal'atath's leitmotif from TWW?

https://youtu.be/ysP6fkDnJlo?si=iwMn_lwWHRAiI21y&t=70

[deep pawn]

Was that actually used in a cutscene before this? I was looking through her old ones haha

I just wanted something new music to be excited about

[silent urchin]

so it turns out the EU calendar event for duos is wrong, again

blizz never get them right

you'd think they'd put in a goddamn checklist item to check them

[deep pawn]

doesn't seem that far off

[silent urchin]

yeah but it's not like the EU reset being wednesday is something new

they've had 20 years to get it right

[fathom fulcrum]

I AM STUCK!!!!!!

there goes my 200 gold

😔

LETS GOOOOOO

I GOT UNSTUCK

[deep pawn]

Did they edit it fast cause I saw 8am on the 4th

[fathom fulcrum]

i am so good at videogaymes

[silent urchin]

8am on the 4th is the EU time. US is 8am on the 3rd pacific time

[fathom fulcrum]

omg the drug delve is so cool

[glass fulcrum]

2:34 onwards is a track ingame just called "The Harbinger"

Its also part of the main theme for the expansion

(This isn't saying you're wrong btw, just that this is the one usually going with them)

[tropic trail]

Leitmotif from what track?

[deep pawn]

Okay then they edited the article fast cause it looked right to me.

Appears it starts on local reset.

[deep pawn]

Is there a reason people are speculating heroic week is coming back? Cause I doubt that

[warm topaz]

you mean for next tier?

[deep pawn]

Yeah

[warm topaz]

they really need HC week to tune MM properly.

so maybe, after this mess of a tier, they are considering it

[deep pawn]

I think it's something some players want but I don't see how the cadence or schedule allows for it

[warm topaz]

considering is the last tier of the expansion, i don't think is that bad

you know, i feel like Gamescom could be Midnight AND 11.2.5

[deep pawn]

Well let's go off an 8/5 patch. That'd put mythic starting on the 19th

Ptr would likely be up before mythic lol

[warm topaz]

they're already testing it internally

that could be the Legion Remix patch

or maybe Housing, or both

[deep pawn]

7 week Ptrs and 8 week cadence has been pretty regular

The roadmap looks like remix is part of 11.2.7 like last time

[warm topaz]

and they'll match Housing with Remix?

Remix will bring Housing rewards 100%

[deep pawn]

Who knows. One interview said housing doesn't launch until after prepatch

[warm topaz]

yeah the Dratnos and Preach one

idk, i think they really need to stress test Housing

[sullen dawn]

I think the wording of that was a bit ambiguous

They could have meant week 2 of prepatch for all we know

I dont think itsnlocked down yet except "before midnight"

[deep pawn]

Well after prepatch would preclude during 11.2.7

Its still possible to be a premium preorder bonus

[ember blaze]

why is Bard a restricted name when making character 🤔

[tropic trail]

Maybe someone has it already o lol 😂

[ember blaze]

no. the name is just blocked

it cant be first

[deep pawn]

They block most real words

[deep pawn]

So even on a fresh server you can't name a character Spoon for example usually

[upper pasture]

That’s not true, a quick wowarmory search shows there’s someone named bard already and you can look up other words too. I’ve searched bars, beef, canon, seven, banana, really. All came back with characters that have those names

Now as to why we can’t name ourselves bard on a fresh server who knows maybe they were grandfathered in before some sort of restriction

[deep pawn]

Hit and miss then. I just know the filter blocks a lot of stuff

[ember blaze]

🤔

[lone mantle]

I find it quite lovely that the name Algalon was made available specifically for me.

[deep pawn]

They didn't start with the filter so a lot of old names are prefilter

And so long as they don't break other rules about profanity or being multiple words they probably get left alone.

Like it's technically against the rules to name a character like Lordterry

[upper pasture]

Yup, can use title-like names you also apparently can’t use class names either but bard isn’t a class…yet 👀

[rain cave]

I've met someone who had Arthas and Uther

which impressed me, like damn bro had BOTH of them

[deep pawn]

I still don't think we'll see a bard class

I'd put money on a bard spec for Artificer

[ember blaze]

saving up bards

[tropic trail]

Haha it’s best go low populated server and chose name

[upper pasture]

I’d do that but my character list is already full

[ember blaze]

im just hoping for ethereal bard tbh

[deep pawn]

I prefer my names to feel more RPish

[tropic trail]

Damn how many characters you already got 👀

[upper pasture]

65

[tropic trail]

Lmao 😂

[sullen dawn]

@upper pasture similar to me tbh. I think im closer to higher 40s/low 50s

Basically one of every spec except mistweaver, resto shammy, resto druid, and dh tank

Oh disc priest isnt max level either

[deep pawn]

I was at 50. I have a hard time deleting old chara

I have a lot of my old legion chars from when I was a horde main and alliance ones from SL and DF

I need to finish the artifact appearances on my old legion mains some day

[ember blaze]

remix 👀

[sullen dawn]

I dont even delete my old characters on diablo 4 lol

[deep pawn]

Won't help with mage tower

[pulsar minnow]

I hope they bring back the challenge mage tower skins. Assuming they’re also bringing back artifacts similar to how they were back then.

[rain cave]

^ same but with challenge mode weapons and armours as well

even if they're recolours

and no the class order hall sets don't count they intentionally made them look worse with model changes and colour pallete being changed to not be as interesting

alternatively if someone gets challenge mode in MoP classic, they should get it on retail no?

that sounds fair to me

[pulsar minnow]

I’d say so

[dense plover]

no chance - maybe the unused colors, but no chance they bring back them

they didnt bring back the challenge mode gear from MoP with that remix

[pulsar minnow]

Well I know they didn’t then and I don’t really care about the chances of whether or not they do it. I just hope that they do bring it back

[upper pasture]

As much as I’d love them to bring all that back, I highly doubt they will. like peach said they didn’t for mop, they didn’t for OG mage tower, I highly doubt they will for legion remix

[dense plover]

im just hopeful you can use artifacts and earn the normally unlockable appearances that required things like running X dungeons or killing X raid bosses or whatever

i would also love for the artifact trees to come back in SOME form

[upper pasture]

The best we can hope for is recolors, gamers are weird about limited time cosmetics coming back.

[dense plover]

if they keep the exact same gem abilities as remix, ill be a bit disappointed tbh

[upper pasture]

I feel like the artifact weapon trees would be a good addition for remix power

And instead of having all the random slots in gear just have it in the artifact tree

[dense plover]

yes

that is exactly my thought

pre-determined powers for specs and then gem slots in the tree

[upper pasture]

I’m excited for another round of remix. Can’t wait to max out another “unlimited” style power system

[rain cave]

there is a chance, nothing says they can't/ won't

and remix was different content, it's not surprising the challenge mode stuff wasn't there

[upper pasture]

But this is another remix

[lavish raptor]

We are getting emoscary azeroth this remix

[rain cave]

I think the main point is that the age of time gated exclusive content is coming to an end, and a lot of people understand that they won't just give challenge mode /mage tower stuff out for free, but they just want an analagous challenge to make it atleast obtainable

[rain cave]

yeha but we've already seen that mage tower can be scaled dynamically, and it's also just a less serious thing

challenge modes were a very specific thing that relied on the scaling of the time, old power levels and talents, design etc

[upper pasture]

And yet they gave us recolors there.

[rain cave]

on normal WoW, not in a remix

if anything I think mage tower would end up being a really good goal for remix characters as a hard piece of singleplayer content

[upper pasture]

Which is the same account as your retail account

[rain cave]

like you'd need to be REALLY grinded out in order to do it, make it very difficult

comparatively more difficult than we have now and back in legion

[upper pasture]

I think what we’re saying here is that I wouldn’t hold your breath for the 100% same skin but expect an recolor

[rain cave]

I mean yeah that's fair enough I suppose?

I just get frustrated when they artificually hold stuff like that

[upper pasture]

Yes, we all do

[rain cave]

challenge modes were understandable that they went away given what they were, because they were designed around being max level content and if the max level changes then it means work to keep them updated. Work they probably didn't want to do. Even if I dislike them being fully erased

but the mage tower was so out of the blue, there was really no reason to make it time limited other than FOMO

but yeah I hope they come back and just iron out FOMO exclusivity entirely

even if the only way to get the original magetower or challenge mode rewards is to do something 10x harder, tedious and/or expensive, at least make it an option for people who really want it

keeps the relative exclusivity/ rarity of it but allows it to still be a reward to chase

like for me personally when I started playing again in WoD and saw some of the challenge mode sets my initial thought was "damn those are cool how do I get them", the disheartening feeling of being told you just can't is real bad

[dense plover]

it was literally the same reason as challenge modes tho

max level content built around specific class balance and abilities

they were available the whole expac from when they added them which is not that different from challenge modes either

they were always meant to be similar to challenge mode appearances except you were meant to do it solo

[deep pawn]

Cmodes only scaled with gem sockets, but Mage Tower scaled with everything

If anything, mage tower was easier at the end

As someone who got them all I say let others get it

Nyan cat for all

[zealous sedge]

Personally I can’t be bothered to have optimized heirloom gear and other min maxxy stuff to complete mage tower achieves. I’ve never attempted, but if they bring it back for remix I wouldn’t mind it being difficult from a gameplay sense - you still have to do mechanics. I don’t mind if it’s scaled with remix gear to where it isn’t one shot-table. Yes remix is all about getting those rewards quickly but I’m not so sure if they should make Mage Tower super trivial.

I agree though, let me get the loot in the middle ground between one-shot everything and hundreds of attempts.

[lavish raptor]

to be fair im not sure blizzard evem cares about the most recent iteration of mage tower

they bother to disable the new tier sets but not adjust the item levels appropriately

[deep pawn]

Honestly I did a bunch of the new mage towers end of 11.1.7

Apparently the darkmoon effects are scaling weird

Don't know if they still are.

You basically run it til ascension gives you 80% vers

[lavish raptor]

you living in the future??? (i assume you meant 11.0.7)

and yeah lmfao you can cheese it with certain gear piece.... to bypass the fact that you could get gear from molten core and itd still be higher ilvl then what you are scaled down to

[deep pawn]

yeah, it's late

[warm topaz]

Horrific Visions show how BAD old combat visuals were

[thin warren]

How so?

[warm topaz]

because you can't see shit in there, there's 0 visual clarity

they have improved a lot on that this expansion, specially with the new swirlies

[thin warren]

Ah, the effects are just very fast, like with that bloodalien thing in Orgri, it lands the puss 1 sec after the swirlies

[warm topaz]

there are not cool rewards in the Dastardly Duos event?

only a mount, a pet and 3 toys?

[deep pawn]

haha, so it wasn't only better transmog that was bugged on the coldflame chest

[formal thicket]

Hiii

Thank you

[lavish raptor]

is this lore accurate

[deep pawn]

On Azmerloth? Yes

[lavish raptor]

noted

this is lore accurate for sure

[warm topaz]

so... News week!

[deep pawn]

Possibly

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-feet-pepe-pepe-feet-pray-gif-13367702538580662263

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24206349/the-legacy-of-arathor-goes-live-june-17

[thin warren]

yay!

[deep pawn]

quick, pretend to be shocked about the schedule

[thin warren]

SHOCKED

[deep pawn]

I still think this week is too early for ptr but who knows

[thin warren]

give patch .2 info!

[deep pawn]

Based on the "cadence" we wouldn't get PTR until after the 17th but that's assuming they don't have a Gamescom deadline

I think they do, so PTR next week after a cinematic reveal on Sunday

8 week PTR is just a bit longer than their normal 7

[thin warren]

cinematic reveal 😮

[upper pasture]

Yeah I’d be shocked if we don’t see something at the Xbox showcase

It’s not like 11.1.7 has anything too ”big” happening in it to prevent them showing a teaser/more of 11.2

[deep pawn]

I want a big ol Orwenya CGI cinematic that ends with her returning to Rootlands and seeing it under siege by the Ethereals.

only way her prominence in the opening cinematic feels justified

[lavish raptor]

Damn what are all these walking bandaids doing in my plant house

the patch name flashes on screen

[thin warren]

your what

[lavish raptor]

orweyna's house, probably made of plants

[thin warren]

ah, i get it 😄

[zealous sedge]

Oh we’re definitely getting 11.2 reveal this week/ weekend

I was harping on the cadence of 11.1.5 but honestly seeing as 11.1.7 is only 2 weeks away and we have duos starting tomorrow, it actually feels pretty good. Maybe they could have brought in HV a week earlier. Gg blizz.

[silent urchin]

If it is on sunday we should get some sort of heads up before hand

[zealous sedge]

Agreed. Insert “See us at the Xbox showcase this weekend!”

[tropic trail]

New patch nice 😂

[thin warren]

what time is it?

[silent urchin]

1pm eastern, 7pm EU

[thin warren]

ah, end of weekend 😦

fine, we will see

[deep pawn]

I don't know what to think of the new mysterious winds timing on the ptr

WoW just doesn't do Thursday to Thursday events in NA and EU

My gut says they accidentally put up the Asia window

[silent urchin]

I don't think it's real

it's not got multiple region entries

I'm not even sure what region it is, although those are always pretty obtuse

Normally there's different entries for each region to account for the different times

[sullen dawn]

I've been saying for weeks well get a 11.2 trailer, remix trailer, and houskng thing all at xbox show back to back

Then "see you at gamescom"

[deep pawn]

As in the event is just there to mislead us about patch timing?

Cause regardless Thursday to Thursday just doesn't happen

At least in NA

[silent urchin]

It's some placeholder PTR thing for some reason we don't understand

[deep pawn]

Can this week fly by lol

[zealous sedge]

If the 11.2 reveal truly does happen (I know it will) we have like a solid 9-10 months of major content news and releases. Basically from August til midnight launch in q1 2026 it’s gonna be non stop major content between 11.2 and beyond, remix, and Midnight alpha/beta. it feels like this weekend is basically the kickoff to the next era in wow even though we are still in 11.0

[deep pawn]

eh, I have a sinking suspicion that 11.2.5 is literally gonna be just anniversary and maybe something related to UI

[zealous sedge]

True but by that point I will have remix to tide me over haha

[sullen dawn]

It will be

Maybe some campsite backgrounds too

[warm topaz]

then why are they testing it already internally?

[sullen dawn]

UI management stuff needs lots of testing g

[rain cave]

Everything's got to be tested

QA teams work by batching stuff and splitting into teams

They've probably still got people on 11.2 and just started putting a team on 11.2.5

When I did QA it was normal to test multiple updates for the same game

[deep pawn]

The roadmap has new content but not new story which scares me.

[silent urchin]

they didn't specifically list story for 11.1 either

It's kinda implicit in new dungeon/content/raid/zone

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24209846

[warm topaz]

i'm actually excited to try Dastardly Duos

share your thoughts when you try it!

[warm topaz]

yeah i know that, but isn't this the first time that we've seen this on the PTR

at least as far as i remember

[deep pawn]

duos are kinda boring

[thin warren]

is it?

[deep pawn]

I didn't expect much but timegating the rewards and having a weird fomo achievement is just stupid.

[thin warren]

is it hard?

[silent urchin]

Apparently it scales you down to ilvl 619 which sounds awful

hope you like not having any crit/haste/whatever you've come to rely on

[zealous sedge]

Why would they scale down

That’s so weird

[silent urchin]

there's a leaderboard, but I imagine most people don't care about that

[zealous sedge]

Yeah totally I mean you don’t get any rewards except bragging rights and by midnight I’m pretty sure everyone is gonna forget what that podium even means and they probably wouldn’t care

[deep pawn]

At least trial of style gives free mogs for the event

Duos is clearly something that's coming back regularly

[zealous sedge]

True. I feel like if you’re in fully upgraded myth track gear you definitely invested a lot of time why wouldn’t you be allowed to rack up insanely high scores.

[upper pasture]

Yeah it’s not that fun tbh, definitely a miss for me.

[silent urchin]

I'm just gonna do the quests/achieves and leave it at that

they seem fairly straightforwward

[upper pasture]

Yep same

[glass fulcrum]

It also scales up, welcome back legacy item meta

Socket abuse returns

[silent urchin]

I never liked gear scaling cause of that

much prefer the new timewalking where stuff scales to you

[ember blaze]

oh boy

hmm so i can use my evoker legendary

[lavish raptor]

Not to be pedantic but this shit is live why are we discussing duos here

[lavish raptor]

Socket abuse? Im breaking out the old ass trinkets

[upper pasture]

Because it’s not live everywhere and not everyone has had the chance to play it yet, same reason you don’t talk about spoilers about movies on the day it releases. It’s just being polite to others

[lavish raptor]

True, shouldn't spoil EU

[upper pasture]

It’s not even that, it’s also NA players who haven’t had the chance to play it yet. Not that duos is anything more heavy but it’s a good practice to have for everything

[lavish raptor]

I havent had a chance to play it yet but yeah i guess other people might be more sensitive to seeing discussion about new content

[upper pasture]

Yes but this is the PTR/BETA/SPOILER channel

[silent urchin]

There's also no ptr stuff to talk about and the retail channel is scary

[upper pasture]

hopeful for sunday 😅

[thin warren]

Haha, Vaep xD

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/WeakAuras/status/1930019284668780910

WeakAuras (@WeakAuras)

The @WarcraftDevs UI team has provided us with a lengthy statement regarding the upcoming addon changes. See attached https://t.co/oVd2HYvfg5

Really appreciate the communication!

X · Jun 3, 2025, 9:50 PM

[stable canopy]

Bml5. 5. Tny.6
Kn em
Mmm

[deep pawn]

I'm excited.

[sullen dawn]

PlayStation show tomorrow, switch 2 thursday, summer games fest Friday, xbox show Sunday (hopefully with 11.2 reveal), and ptr next week

Nintendo direct next week too, and we just had unreal and netflix events

Nice nerdy week

[warm topaz]

we don't know that yet

the Switch 2 direct

[sullen dawn]

Yeh just rumoured

[warm topaz]

Removing the ability for addons to "solve" most encounter mechanics means that we can also take a different approach to the design of our encounters going forward. The same goes for certain class mechanics. The goal is to make our class mechanics more approachable and easier to understand without addon solutions. If everything goes to plan, WoW will remain challenging, but the nature of that challenge will be less about managing subtleties of class mechanics and more about collaborating with allies and interacting with encounters.,

really excited about that

[deep pawn]

I might be delusional but I still have a massive gut feeling that Midnight is a major combat rework

[zealous sedge]

are we talking stats

or mechanics

[deep pawn]

Mechanics

Defensives, healing, add-ons, interrupts, etc

Combat design

[zealous sedge]

we shall see

when was the last major rework?

[upper pasture]

of combat? never?

[zealous sedge]

thats what i assumed

thats a big needle to thread imo

[deep pawn]

WoW has just gotten constantly more complex

Like go play a cata dps spec, it is so slow

[zealous sedge]

True

what would you like to see?

[ember blaze]

bard

[sullen dawn]

Tinker

Bard is boring

But I think tinker/artifcer is TLT

No idea what the non housing features of midnight will be

But for TLT I expect glyph boards/rework for cosmetic class customisation, return of order halls, dynamic ground mounts, the world tier difficulty system theyre trialing in legion remix, and maybe playable vrykul/tuskar

Along with Artificer class

[lavish raptor]

what if. we combine bard and tinker.

[ember blaze]

whats the usual pattern

race class race?

[lavish raptor]

yeah

[ember blaze]

altho evokers kinda did both

and then we had dwarves nobody asked for

and then we're kinda expecting harronir and maybe ethereals 😎

maybe we see a class sooner by midnights

[zealous sedge]

Yeah but no class in BfA or SL

Technically we are due for a new class but idk. I hope it’s not another “hero” class but I think that’s inevitable

And while I’ve the idea of bard I think it’s gonna be a voidmancer or void knight

We haven’t really seen much void at all really. Old God is tangentially related but technically not the full void

I wonder if we’ll ever go to Nihilam or maybe have a flashback

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Nihilam

[deep pawn]

Void Hunter spec for DH and Naga, Void Elf, and Nightborne DHs.

[austere gazelle]

I hope it means they wont force mechanic where you have to stand still for movement based class like the DH

[sullen dawn]

In the future I expect js to revisit demons

But not in a "burning legion" context

More exploring the natural origins of demons and their homeworlds etc.

[sullen dawn]

Yes this ks why karesh is critical for 11.2

Going into midnight without it us just .... oh spooky purple smoke from outerspace?

We have almost 0 void lore that isnt old god centric

[rain cave]

New hero talents?

I'd laugh if they let us use both hero specs at once

[rain cave]

Please be 2h..

[sullen dawn]

Not super interesting to me unless they branch them more into rp fantasies/class cosmetics

But yeh im sure the hero talents system will be iterated on

[rain cave]

I personally think hero talents can be this

[sullen dawn]

I know we've had this chat

I still see it better delt through glyphs, but I respect your opinion

[rain cave]

Like how arms could be blademaster with a more overhaul style hero spec, with the two others being the more basic options

[sullen dawn]

Yeh we've had this convo twice before hahaha

[rain cave]

Lmao

[sullen dawn]

❤️

[rain cave]

❤️

Though if I wanted to add fresh stuff, I do see the benefits of a glyph system and they definitely should expand it

Especially for cosmetics like green fire, we need more of those. Even something as simple as blue fire mage

There is good class mechanic design that can be done for adding new fantasies, but at the same time some people just want to raise dead instead of demons, or have blue void magic instead of purple

[sullen dawn]

The idea kn my head is kind kf havkng these "glyph boards" which would act as a centralised place tk manage your class customisation.

Maybe hero talents could limit or make available certain glyphs?

[rain cave]

And there are fantasy driven ways of doing those cosmetically, like the green fire quest

[sullen dawn]

Like only necomancer hero spec could use glyphs to change appearance of skeletons

[rain cave]

I'm personally a fan of the idea of the ebon blade teaming up with the warlocks to solve a mutual problem. Warlocks maybe having less demons to control after the legion defeat, and the ebon blade still dealing with feral scourge in northrend

[sullen dawn]

That sounds cool

[rain cave]

And do the dks basically teach the warlocks how to help them control the dead and we get necromancer pet skins

[sullen dawn]

Plus I thjnk death and fel have some intertwined plot points we still need to figure out

Nathrezim etc

[rain cave]

The scarlets are getting active again lol

They're always prone to a dreadlord

[sullen dawn]

They look a lil different tho

[rain cave]

Tbf I would not be surprised if the arathi emperor was a dreadlord and lothraxion was a red herring

But also lothraxion has been very absent lately and for a deeadlord on our side forgot to mention they're literally from the shadowlands and tied to denathrius

[uncut vault]

I do think that Blizzard will probably be wary of striking a balance though

the MoP-Legion era had a lot of downstream effects of "enemy fatigue" originating from SoO being so orc-centric right before an orc-centric xpac

which then led to Blizz shifting Tanaan to demon focus, which in turn caused them to consolidate their plans for the legion story, etc.

I think they've been very intentional with avoiding having too much direct void presence in TWW so that we don't get fatigued of purple goop by Midnight

[sullen dawn]

I agree they've balanced it well to this point, but now we need some big lore void reveals pre midnight so we actually care about them as a threat

And i do think only 1 raid in midnight will "purple"

Possibilities for amani stuff, light stuff, naga stuff etc..

[uncut vault]

My hope is that despite K'aresh looking so purple, they stick to the ethereal aspect of it more than the void corruption aspect

[sullen dawn]

Agree

Or at least a mix

[uncut vault]

Especially since, at least atm, most ethereals aren't void corrupted, so this will be a good chance to explore ethereals outside of their ties to the void plot

[sullen dawn]

It cant be the same as the void patch in midnvibt

[uncut vault]

I expect their goal is to use K'aresh as a bit of a stakes-setting "this is what could happen to Azeroth" to then lead into the active void threat in Midnight on Azeroth itself

[sullen dawn]

Yep, although we do need some void lore too. It doesnt have to be void enemies. I mean mlre books and quests and stuff (through the eyes of ethereals) that provide context on void pre midnkght., not specifically fighting them

[sullen dawn]

Yes exactly! Thats what jve been saykng all along re karesh haha

Its "this is what happens if we lose"

Which is important for stakes as you say. If they want midnight to feel like the legion invasion, 11.2 ks critical to provide staksz

[worn crown]

Disagree. We had pretty much 0 Pandaria lore before MoP and it was not a problem and people in general love MoP xpac and lore

[sullen dawn]

Completely different context

If the pandas were invading us it would make sense (even then wouldn't reallt be needed since mortal motivations are easier to understand)

It would be more like having 0 info on burning legion before they invaded