beta-ptr-spoilers

[silent urchin]

UI looks like this

there's some real weird movement bug on PTR where if you hold forward plus left or right, then stop pressing forward, the game just forgets about the left/right input too until you re-press it

huh, inarius' charger is a recolour of tyraels but also slightly higher resolution? It doesn't seem to be across the whole model, I suspect it's just better made and puts the detail where it's needed better than the very weirdly stretched textures of the older one

[dense plover]

so you can only pick one option?

sounds like once you have the best option, you wont really interact with the system much if they dont balance it well

[silent urchin]

yeah, one at a time

it shows on the item what you have

there's a presumably weekly ilvl bump, up to what I guess will be 710

affects both main stat and the effects

but it seems like you can get all the voercharged delve rewards from a t1, and it's not even like you get more from higher level delves

[dense plover]

well thats - disappointing

i was hoping it had like - a passive tree or something

single chosen effect is kinda boring - its just an additional brann talent

[silent urchin]

there's a tree on the titan console itself

[deep pawn]

694 is apparently what's in the files

which is still pretty damn high

[silent urchin]

that seems.. almost pointless compared to the started 684

[deep pawn]

well gotta think champion track will likely start a 684 next season and they'll want the belt replaced eventually.

or possibly they're looking to start s3 at 678

[dense plover]

ah ok - so there is a tree

its part of the overcharged delves

[deep pawn]

there's the console that works inside delves only, mostly to counteract the traps everywhere over time

and then the belt which is gear

[dense plover]

ah

the tree only working in delves is fine

[lavish raptor]

looks like going to uldum in lorewalking still fuks your toon

[lavish raptor]

ok

i figured out how to escape the Bench

ok well i guess that's bad

[glass flicker]

Yuck, Shadowlands.

George willed it.

[austere gazelle]

Well I think we're heading into the same stuff as the dreadlords.
Supposedly the brokers are native to shadowlands, by first ones design, but since Venari and Locus Walker knows each others, I'm starting to think a cartel ( cartel KA ?) left the SL to do business in reality, and settled on a planet they'd later call Ka'resh. Influenced by the world soul there, they slowly mutated to become more... " mortal " than creature of Death

[sullen dawn]

I just hope they can salvage the dreadlord lore after screwing it up so bad in SL

Im pretty confident about whatever they decide to with ethereals though

One way they could do it is the nathrazim existed as long as first ones as not from our reality (maybe linked to 7th force), and they "infiltrated/injected" denathrius dreadlord soul into the robot process

As i believe first ones didnt create eternals from scratch, they used existing powerful souls

That way dreadlords could be their own leaders again and not have their lore tied down by venthyr stuff

[upper pasture]

Legion remix M+ is gonna be fun af

Hopefully the keys aren’t as restrictive as they are in retail

Like you can just go to a dungeon and push whatever key you’d like or like work up a ladder or so

[warm topaz]

they're working on a "horror/scary" gamemode for WoW!

like a Remix/Plunderstorm type thing

[upper pasture]

Yeah. I wonder what that could be

[lavish raptor]

thats in the game already. its called week 1 lfr

[upper pasture]

Maybe like a phasmaphobia game mode in wow?

[warm topaz]

also world tiers in Legion Remix

[deep pawn]

I want to see stats of people who would play Plunderstorm without rewards

[warm topaz]

i think if they change the zone and all the abilities

so many people

[upper pasture]

How would they even go about doing that, I think there’s a good chunk of players that played past the rewards

[deep pawn]

It's gonna be Werewolf in Duskhaven.

[novel zodiac]

did they said anything about the mage tower or artifact weapons for Legion Remix?

[pliant bridge]

no, only info was about world tiers and m+ remix

[novel zodiac]

ok, thanks

[deep pawn]

but yeah, the only other game I can think surveys would say lots of people play, but is slightly scary is werewolf/among us type games.

[warm topaz]

i have the feeling that artifact weapons will be our new cloak

[pliant bridge]

missed opportunity if not

[deep pawn]

also gives an excuse to not care about relics

[silent urchin]

it sounded like we'll get some more information fairly soon

[deep pawn]

Gamescom probably

since that'll be the rest of the year roadmap

hearthstones won't take you "home" anymore. 😄

[ember blaze]

i hope it's good 👀

i want more scary stuff in wow

[upper pasture]

“Horror/scary” stuff doesn’t translate well for me. Usually that genre falls flat, I hope it’s everything yall want it to be lol

[deep pawn]

Among Us would be replayable

[zealous sedge]

Escape Room mode?

[upper pasture]

Naw, Kyle is probably right among us is/was super popular

[zealous sedge]

That’s a good point

Didn’t they try a raid mechanic in SL that was based on among us

I didn’t play SL but I heard about it on a podcast last week

So stoked for legion remix and the world tier system. I just want legions (no pun intended) of demons all around the world as the difficulty gets higher.

[upper pasture]

Sorta, if it’s the mechanic I’m thinking of it was basically huddle around the “targeted” players to out them so I’d hardly call it among us

[zealous sedge]

Ah I see

I want to push keys to like 50+ haha

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=15315/amidst-ourselves#comments there was an achievement referencing it but it wasn't really much like the game

[zealous sedge]

Really curious how they will evolve the reward structures

[upper pasture]

Keys with remix power scaling is good be super cool

[silent urchin]

Might get a bit weird if it's similar power to mop remix

there was SO MUCH healing it's just gonna go til you get one shot

[zealous sedge]

I didn’t play legion at launch so I’m very happy to experience like it’s day one again

[upper pasture]

I think that’s to point tho, just let it be wild af it will just get to a point of “will this one shot you if done incorrectly”

[silent urchin]

even if done correctly, there's a lot of unavoidable damage

[zealous sedge]

I don’t think it would go over well but time-gating the patches by like 1 week in remix would be kinda nice

And artifact weapons omg I hope we get some sick recolors and transmogs

[upper pasture]

My only concern with the keystone system is people need to be free to do whatever dungeon and not tied to a keystone

[zealous sedge]

Agreed

Definitely should make it an across the board keystone that levels up no matter what dungeon you do

[upper pasture]

They should just treat it like delves and you need to do 7 before you can do 8 and so on and so forth, or atleast one person has done a 7 so the group can start a 8

[zealous sedge]

100%

[upper pasture]

Cause lord knows no one has gonna want to run keystone 1-30 again cause Steven just started

[zealous sedge]

I’m betting the release date is gonna be like November for this

[upper pasture]

Then again, idk how many heroic sieges I ran for randoms and guildies

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1920963273333129366?t=W2uI52-8VOCE5uS5U8iUOA&s=33

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

An illusion?

Stay Tuned.

X · May 9, 2025, 10:05 PM

[zealous sedge]

Kinda arbitrary but that would be like the tail end of season 3

[warm topaz]

i feel big news about everything soon

like Housing, Legion Remix, 11.2

[zealous sedge]

I hope we get a blog post this week with more deets

For remix

But they could keep us waiting til gamescom

[upper pasture]

Maybe more tomorrow

[zealous sedge]

I forgot what day it was

[warm topaz]

not likely for what they said on the conference today

[upper pasture]

Isn’t that the last “global blizzcon” thingy they’ve been doing

[silent urchin]

they specifically said housing news within the next couple weeks

[zealous sedge]

Oh I’m just catching up did they imply sooner?

[warm topaz]

I expect Midnight on gamescom

[silent urchin]

although we've been having fairly frequent housing posts anyway

[zealous sedge]

Oh I messed up my dates gamescom is in August. That would definitely be midnight.

Isn’t there some other event in June? Or am I just imagining things

[silent urchin]

It seemed like there was something going on this weekend that made the boston blizzocn bigger than the london one

june is whatever the hell e3 is now

[zealous sedge]

I guess we shall see tomorrow

[upper pasture]

I think cause it’s the last one no?

[zealous sedge]

Oh I see

It would make sense to see some sort of announcement tomorrow

[silent urchin]

there's gonna be an xbox event for sure in june but I dunno if wow would be there

[zealous sedge]

Probably not

[upper pasture]

11.2 sneak peak at Xbox event maybe

Didn’t blizzard already say there gonna be there?

Like have a panel for something

But that could just mean D4 or overwatch

[fathom fulcrum]

Warlords of Draenor 😔

Classic cancelled

Remix cancelled

Yrel cancelled

its joever

[lone mantle]

Was it cancelled?

[upper pasture]

Nothing, Niko is being dramatic. Cause it wasn’t WoD remix.

[fathom fulcrum]

There is no WoD Classic to my knowledge either

they going bacc to Burning Crusade after Pandaria

[upper pasture]

It’s not WoD classics time yet

Gotta do MoP classic first

[fathom fulcrum]

its Burning Crusade after Pandaria though

😔

[ember blaze]

while i wish they did that, they want that random key treadmill so u do all the dungeons even keys u dont need

[fathom fulcrum]

nvm are they just turning the 20th anniversary edition into Burning Crusade?

so there might be WoD Classic nvm

if thats the case

[upper pasture]

In retail sure, in remix, no. We should be able to pick and choose what dungeons we can do especially with something so time limited, we saw them remove the raid lockouts for the same reason

Plus we saw people helping out others all the time in mop remix so I don’t think it’s much of a problem

[fathom fulcrum]

is there gonna be pvp though 🤔

[sullen dawn]

Omg

The world tier system from diablo i always wanted in wow

Ok its just remix for now but

Man ive wanted heroic and mythic modes of open world for ages

[fathom fulcrum]

u mean Nightmare and Hell?

😏

[deep pawn]

I think we have a housing blog post soon

It feels too soon for 11.2 reveal

[upper pasture]

Would you be saying the same thing in a month?

The Xbox event could be our 11.2 reveal, tomorrow could just be more details on housing/legion remix/ or nothing

[rain cave]

WoD classic but we actually just kill Gul'dan during the intro scenario instead of freeing him and then the rest of the expansion plays from there and the legion invasion never happens

Classic+

[crude sigil]

new belt (from delves) work everywhere ? If it's the case, it's gamebreaking / huge gain of dps, ... ?

[silent urchin]

It's probably in the range of 5-10% dps, tops

[sullen dawn]

Theyre called Torment these days :p

[sullen dawn]

Xbox showcase for that imo

3-4 weeks from now

[zealous sedge]

11.1.7 is already out there but yeah latest they would announce in the Xbox event

They should just announce tomorrow lol

I wanna know

[deep pawn]

I think it's early June just before 11.1.7 goes live since the short patch means ptr has to launch earlier

[upper pasture]

Which is about the same time as the Xbox showcase

[deep pawn]

That's why I said anything before that feels too small

So we might get a housing blog in the next couple weeks

[upper pasture]

Then we are in agreement

[deep pawn]

Taliesin was told to go to Boston and that it was important though

[upper pasture]

And who made this claim? Taliesin?

I mean, I don’t doubt that they are telling us something tomorrow but idk about 11.2

I would’ve been going to Boston if there wasn’t also a wedding on the same day I had to attend :/

[silent urchin]

I'm pretty sure blizz paid to fly him out there, and he'd already been to the london event as an invited guest. It's one of the bigger reasons I'm expecting a larger announcement at it

[deep pawn]

Blizzard basically strongly suggested either he or Evitel go.

Evitel was gonna go cause she's a citizen, but the odds of needing to do video editing slid it back to him.

Its possible they're trying to swap somewhat to FF14 style fan fests for info releases

If these anniversary events are a success

[upper pasture]

Maybe it’s housing related for sure then

[deep pawn]

It could be 11.2 but based on patch schedule that feels more like a June reveal

11.1 was announced pretty early with the roadmap though

In general we don't get a lot of weekend news for WoW though

[fathom fulcrum]

Yeah in the bad ones

[zealous sedge]

Curious if I should even attempt Legion Meta achievement when 11.1.7 comes out or wait until remix happens

[dense plover]

wait until remix

its almost guaranteed to be easier with remix

[upper pasture]

Just do most of the stuff now no?

Like we don’t really know what it all entails but like pick a zone and do all the achievements and move on each week

[ember blaze]

or just wait for remix?

u might even get quest rewards

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

To each their own, I suppose. Why wait to then feel rushed when all the content is there now

[ember blaze]

well u dont know how theyre handling timegated stuff

or if a quest u already wasted ur time in is gonna give u a transmog item or something

and u gotta do it again

and dont u get boosted rep gains?

[upper pasture]

Yeah, that’s why you just do it now. It’s not some monumental task to do the quests in each zone over a month or so then when remix comes you only have to worry about remix stuff

And it’s not really “wasted” time as you would be earning something both times, sure it is more time efficient to wait for remix, but if you aren’t doing anything now just causally work on it now

[deep pawn]

I mean there'll be achievement rewards for completing zone metas and probably certain campaign metas

So I'd wait

[upper pasture]

Again, solely depends on the player and what they have on their plate

Like why do TWW content now when you can just wait 4 years and solo it all?

Do some players play like that? Sure. Does everyone? No.

[deep pawn]

There's a bit of difference when there's something coming this year where you'll be doubling up on some of the content

Like if you do the entire Legionfall questline for example but then doing it gives you a fel guard blade in December too.

[upper pasture]

Again, depends on what the players wants to do now, if they don’t have anything to do then sure do it then they don’t have to do everything when remix comes along.
Y’all are acting weird AF when I’m just giving my opinion

[deep pawn]

Again, going off MoP Remix as our guide, you're likely gonna have to do either killing rares or questlines over again if you're being completionist. So a lot of the zone stuff they may be doing now they'll be doing again in Remix for the Remix metas.

I'm just saying I wouldn't find that very efficient haha.

[upper pasture]

Say they’ve completed their seasonal goals for this season, they don’t have much to do in M+ or raid. Why not just work on some meta achievements. The point of “doubling up” isn’t lost on me

[ember blaze]

then i would do that for another expansion instead of one that will be easier in a few months and more fun

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1921181029655621821

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge) on X

Incredibly delighted to say that they are no longer forgotten! There are now undead Stromics in Hammerfall.

It's amazing seeing this responded to so quickly, and done in a way that explains what's happened to them since Legion. I really, really love this.

X · May 10, 2025, 12:30 PM

so nice to see

[fathom fulcrum]

burn them

[lavish raptor]

Has anyone noticed changes in mechanics in Shrine of the Storm or Kings Rest?

I havent done them yet but i noticed Temple got some changes.

[upper pasture]

Seems like radio silence from the event, guess it wasn’t anything too big

[silent urchin]

it hasn't even started yet, it's 7-11pm edt

[upper pasture]

Wait really? I thought it was earlier?

Oh I see lol I guess I skimmed it and saw the 1pm ticket sale time and thought that was the event lol

[deep pawn]

That's late for Blizzard lol

[silent urchin]

the other ones have been evening events too, afaik

I doubt there's any big announcements from it, we got the legion remix one on stream yesterday

there's no stream for tonight

[deep pawn]

I'm too used to the Blizzcon type schedule

I wonder why they wanted content creators there then

[silent urchin]

maybe there's gonna be a sneak peak of a blog that comes out next week or something tops

could be they get interviews which are gonna be released later or something

they had a few at the event the day before the london one

[deep pawn]

True. Those types of interviews are filmed before the content announcement

[warm topaz]

Esfand is streaming the event, but Blizzard didn't let him to stream before the start

so that's Susge

[deep pawn]

Hmmm

[zealous sedge]

30 minutes. I guess we shall see

[deep pawn]

Guessing nothing exciting

[ember blaze]

only thing that will excite me is bard

[deep pawn]

I mean I think Titan Artificer is coming

But that's like a TLT thing

Dagran is gonna be the first

Could you imagine Dagran as our Midnight delve companion getting new Titan toys each patch?

[ember blaze]

so late for a class tho 🛌

[deep pawn]

Not if we get void hunter DH in midnight

[zealous sedge]

I would like a voidmancer class but it’s like shadow priest already takes care of that

Or give me a void class that can do caster or melee depending on the spec

[ember blaze]

u make it space themed

and dont say boomkin

[zealous sedge]

Space themed how

[upper pasture]

Void/solar maybe frost too

[zealous sedge]

Oh I dig that

[ember blaze]

yeah like devastation has some space themed spells that are frost

then theres that void orb priests shoot out

cause boomkin moon this, moon that is very lame

then pathetic spells for the sun

[zealous sedge]

Dark Matter for their resource

Yeah the more I think about the more I realize shadow priest is very rooted in Old God stuff which is technically void but more like a derivative rather than the thing itself. Other than some void npc’s here and there we have not seen void powers really fleshed out other than alleria and she only really shoots arrows

[uncut vault]

I feel like a void paladin would be more likely if they were to do a dedicated void class

or just in general, a class more focused on void weaponry rather than spellcasting

to allow for an Alleria-style spec as well

[fathom fulcrum]

OMG IS THAT THE TWITTER GNOME GUY

[uncut vault]

Yes haha

[fathom fulcrum]

That's kraaaazy, slaaaay 💅

I have seen many of your tweets

[zealous sedge]

Agreed. I like the idea of a Void-Knight

[fathom fulcrum]

Wasn't there a void elf paladin or something

Also when Gnome paladin

[deep pawn]

There's a Void Elf paladin who's eclipse themed

She says something like you can't shine your brightest until you're in the dark

I still believe the balance and resto druid hero tree should have been full sun and nature themed

Mushrooms and sun

I personally want all druid hero trees to be reworked except for Elune's chosen

[upper pasture]

I’m mostly excited for all the cool possibilities for mogs in midnight

[ember blaze]

purple on purple, and then more purple?

[upper pasture]

Purple, void spheres, void weapons.

It’s gonna be great

[deep pawn]

eh, that'll be some of the raid stuff

But there'll 100% be a gorgeous Blood Elf set for each armor type, and probably troll as well.

Maybe Naga

[upper pasture]

I could always go for more troll sets tbh

[deep pawn]

I mean look at TWW

Launched with Earthen and Arathi sets.

[upper pasture]

I mean, I didn’t say they would all be void and purple just that I’m excited for those ones

[deep pawn]

I love the Rootlands vs K'aresh debate even on the MMO-C forums now

Yeah, the more I think of it, the more I'm convinced Dagran is working towards a Titan Artificer class that'll be Tank/Healer/Buff DPS

[ember blaze]

based on what

i need a 5 page paper explaining why

[zealous sedge]

I just need my updated Ghostlands and Eversong Woods. Maybe the Draenei starting areas too. They are the oldest zones in the game now. Blood elf was my first character since I started playing at the end of TBC,

[deep pawn]

Mostly Dagran's plot with Titan discs, working with Titan technology, and all the hints about Titan powers adding power and reflexes.

[ember blaze]

maybe they do another boss like sark and use a spell from the class/spec 🤔

if we get a titan boss and it has a buff, im 100% believing 😎

[deep pawn]

I still don't get why titan constructs when they wake up would suddenly ally themselves with goblins and other forces that aren't up to any good

[sullen dawn]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1920943691394326963

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy) on X

Interesting detail from the PAX WoW panel, the entire story of the Worldsoul Saga was supposed to be told in The War Within before Metzen came back (he said they should tell it over multiple ones). So that would mean the original ending for TWW will be in The Last Titan.

X · May 9, 2025, 8:47 PM

Maybe rootlands/azeroth core/manifold for 13.2?

Or at least in TLT

[deep pawn]

I still think that's absolutely dog crap pacing, but it is what it is if that's how it turns out

[harsh mason]

This information is known literally from the TWW announcement, literally from the words of Metzen himself, why is he now presenting this as a secret fact?

[deep pawn]

would explain why Undermine and then K'aresh would feel disconnected.

They're hamfisted in after a well written start to an expansion

[harsh mason]

The theme of Titans in TWW is one of the main parts of the plot, so it's quite possible.

[deep pawn]

I will say I don't see HOW they fit all of the saga into this expansion

Like there's no way to do Ansurek, Xal'atath, and then the entire Titan conspiracy.

[harsh mason]

I mean, Kazalgar... you know

[deep pawn]

Like you go from TWW feeling empty to TWW feeling more rushed than BfA's story

I don't know which is better to me, but nothing about TWW's opening plot feels like we'd be ready to face the Titans that fast lol.

[harsh mason]

Everything is simpler: all the events would have taken place in Kazalgar

[deep pawn]

So in that regard I could understand why Metzen would be like "This is too fast"

[deep pawn]

And I'm saying having a Xal'atath 11.1 leading into a Titan 11.2 would feel absurdly fast.

I can see threads of where that would have been the case with Brinthe's story and such, but I guess I don't trust Blizzard to stick that landing with that pacing.

And 12.0 being Avaloren would definitely have felt like natural pacing with their current story set up.

[harsh mason]

We have literally 50% of the story in 11.0 in Kazalgar about Titans, the remaining 50 about Arati and Nerubians.

[deep pawn]

Cause I've said before how stupid it feels that we have this giant army willing to fight the shadow one portal spell away.

[harsh mason]

We just wouldn't have goblins, Ethereals, Midnight, and so on.

[deep pawn]

Again, it could work, but the Titans showing up in 11.1.5 after whatever happens when we kill Xal, and them dying in 11.2 would be whiplash for the players.

So in that way, I'm glad Metzen was like "no"

The Titans absolutely deserve their own expansion, not being the last patch like N'zoth

I'm guessing Iridikron would have been the final boss for DF rather than being saved for TLT.

11.1.7 makes sense in a "you're gonna be in Avaloren this time next year" pacing.

Whereas right now it feels completely disjointed.

It better not be K'aresh or I'm gonna rate the story of this expansion so poorly lol.

There's no way Undermine was built entirely after the story was spread out I feel so I'm not sure how Xal'atath works as a final boss of the Gallagio.

[ember blaze]

yeah i think im okay with them having to space things out more

[deep pawn]

Yeah, I can find the pacing a tad wonky, but if the other solution is the Titans are dead in August that isn't any more fulfilling lol.

But to that end, I don't agree with coming back to the Coreway in 14.2 to go to the manifold. We'll probably go down Ulduar somehow then, so let us go down now to the Rootlands under Ethereal attack.

[pulsar minnow]

The rootlands probably stretch across the entire planet being as ancient as they are. We probably will see them either way in TLT

The roots are directly related to Azeroth Elune and Eonar anyway

Seeing as how Northerend is also just a revamp and won’t be exactly like exploring a new place, future patch content only has the choice of taking us up or down. I’m gonna guess down. Northerend -> Rootlands -> World Core or Zereth Ordus

[fathom fulcrum]

is Ana from Overwatch 2 coming bacc?!!??!?!

[tropic trail]

Niko slay 💅

[fathom fulcrum]

Yes

but is Ana coming bacc to WoWcraft

🤔

[tropic trail]

Who is Ana 😂

https://tenor.com/view/moneypit-stuck-gif-12976121

Ana Ana fo fanna I fana fo mana 🎶

[fathom fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/4S91lgxDCCM

this is Ana

[tropic trail]

It’s Ve’nari haha 😂

[fathom fulcrum]

same voice aktor

[sullen dawn]

American horror story 😄

[tropic trail]

It’s actually fun comedy

[tropic trail]

I didn’t even realize I only know Khadgar voice actor and this actor who plays Prince Renthal. Absolute legend 😆

[deep pawn]

I just think to wait that long is poor story writing in a game format that gets main story quests every 6 months

Like Orwenya gets exiled and doesn't take us to her home for 4 years

I'm sorry that pacing feels like crap

6 years to get to Avaloren

So far I feel like this stretching just makes the pacing feel off, not cool.

[pulsar minnow]

I feel like her bringing us to her people immediately after getting exiled is worse writing 💀

[deep pawn]

I just need to see what 11.2 is to see if they salvage the writing because right now it feels hacked together

[pulsar minnow]

Tbh I don’t see a problem with them revealing these locations now. Not everything needs to be instant gratification. I mean shit it took us almost 20 years to get to the dragon isles

[deep pawn]

And that still came out of nowhere to many and felt wrong. So maybe it's not just Metzen's return

[pulsar minnow]

The dragon isles didn’t really come out of nowhere

It had been hinted at for years prior

Heavily in BFA to the point where many thought we’d be going there next not to shadowlands

[deep pawn]

Island expeditions had like a million hooks.

But those were hints in side content

Not the main story

[pulsar minnow]

Was Wrathion and the Dragon Aspects return in 8.3 not the main story

Because I’m pretty sure it was

[deep pawn]

But that wasn't what lead to Dragon Isle speculation. That came from the island expedition quest item about black dragons and Sinestra probably being alive

[pulsar minnow]

You can’t really pick and choose what is dragon isles speculation. It was explicitly stated Wrathion had been missing because he was searching for the Dragon Isles

That was explicit confirmation the continent existed in modern canon and that it was in the minds of the developers

That and the story of the twilight flight returning in one of the 8.3 campaign chapters, as well as the return to Grim Batol, among plenty of other things

So I don’t exactly see why it would be bad writing to have a location that has just now been hinted at IMMEDIATELY coming into the story in the next/same expansion, especially when the whole idea is a multi-expansion storyline

We are just in the opening chapter. We got shot down by the dark heart, dragged into Azj Kahet, fought our way out and made friends along the way. Now we’re trying to catch up to Xal Atath as she’s about to unleash the full force of the void upon us

[upper pasture]

Yup, I think the pacing and story telling so far of TWW is pretty okay, nothing extremely amazing but not dumpster tier.

[pulsar minnow]

Agreed. It’s just all set-up tbh. I think we’re just now kicking the story of the saga into full gear with 11.2

[deep pawn]

I just think K'aresh doesn't fit the set up we've gotten so far and nothing our characters have experienced says we should go there. None of the themes of the quests we've done suggests suddenly going off world.

[upper pasture]

And I bet the “big change” metzen made in TWW was that we wouldn’t beat Xal’atath in the end of TWW and we lose and move her battle back towards the end of midnight or whatever it ends up

[deep pawn]

Like even if the Horde and Alliance did decide to go there's literally no known way we have to get there.

So 11.2 is going to have to have a healthy bit of prequest before we can even get off planet

[warm topaz]

also, maybe it's encrypted as hell, but we don't have like any prelude for 11.2 in 11.1.7 like we did in 11.0.7

[upper pasture]

I don’t think it’s a secret that Alleria has ethereal allies

[deep pawn]

Alleria has An Ethereal ally.

[pulsar minnow]

Ethereals got there through a void portal.

We got locus Walker

Hell we kicked off the expansion with Locus Walker telling us about his world and what happened to it, as well as setting up the void lords. So it’s not like it’s coming out of nowhere

[deep pawn]

Locus Walker is strong but portal big enough for an entire army strong? We haven't seen that yet.

[upper pasture]

Who was shown gathering allies at the beginning of TWW?

[tropic trail]

Still curious why ethereals stole the dark heart. If they work for xal or got their own agenda.

[deep pawn]

They have their own agenda

That's the entire point of why Xal is mad.

[deep pawn]

I think the only prelude is the 10 seconds of conversation between Ve'nari and Locus Walker in side content haha

Given the patch title makes the Faerin story the highlight of the patch

Like I said last night, 11.1.7 with Faerin and the Titan Surge delves makes a lot more sense in a world where Titans die in 11.2 and 12.0 is the Arathi Empire, but it doesn't fit a K'aresh patch.

[warm topaz]

it doesn't make sense either for a Titans patch

[upper pasture]

Who knows maybe all the titan machinery malfunctioning is what draws the titans back, could be sending too many red blinking lights for them to ignore

[deep pawn]

Titan Machinery all across Khaz Algar suddenly waking up and working against us as the Titans return?

That makes sense to me.

[warm topaz]

yeah but, i think they would reflect that on the history not on a delve feature

[deep pawn]

Well they obviously would have had to cut any questline dealing with a Titan arrival that's now happening in 2027.

The Delve feature is just a rump of the original story

Odds also are the Arathi Highlands cutscenes were finished before the story pivot too

Hell even Horrific Visions feels a bit out of place if we're done with the black blood for a long time because Ethereal void magic is a lot more galactic than the old god stuff

[warm topaz]

so let's say the original plan was actually about titans, not Faerin

why throw in the Faerin one if 11.2 is supposed to be in K'resh?

why not just make a new one that fits with the Ethereals or whatever?

[deep pawn]

Faerin's story was probably 12.0 prep about remembering who the Arathi came from.

It probably depends on what was already done and what could they rework

Creating an entire zone takes time. Like they're literally building 12.2 and 13.0 by this point

[zealous sedge]

I feel like by the time Metzen came back a lot of TWW was already kind of decided upon so he didn’t have a ton of wiggle room to change as much as he wanted, risking delays. That’s why I think Siren Isle exists and 11.1.5 is the way it is in terms of story. 11.1.7 already feels like a shift because these previous patches have really made the story feel too anchored to just Khaz Algar and have left more questions than answers imo. My theory is Undermine was never a thing until Metzen came in. I think whatever 11.2 was actually 11.1 and they pushed the original 11.2 to midnight.

[deep pawn]

I mean if they created Undermine that fast that's cool, but that must have been some hell of a crunch

[warm topaz]

Undermine is something Ion is been asking for years

[zealous sedge]

Agreed, I know Undermine is supposed to be small but it feels more small than I imagined

Not that I’m complaining

[deep pawn]

I do think they're being honest when they said with an underground expansion there's no other time they could do Undermine.

[warm topaz]

he really wanted to add that zone in TWW (the underground expansion)

[zealous sedge]

And they maybe compromised on the raid by using raid assets as part of undermine

That’s all true too. Who’s to say

[deep pawn]

Xbox game show in June will have all our answers probably though it's saying something that players feel a bit lost right now cause the narrative isn't concise yet.

[zealous sedge]

I think K’aresh is a false trail for now. Could be wrong. Hopefully the storytelling makes a convincing crisis that we have to deal with first

[deep pawn]

I do think that as a character I'd be all "the heart's no longer on Azeroth, that's good for us."

[zealous sedge]

Absolutely, the storyline has been a bit disjointed. I guess that’s just part of the pains of transitioning from 1 expansion meta to 3 in the middle of building the 1st one lol

Honestly so true. Also we could imagine Alleria is gone searching for the ethereal that took the heart with the Locus Walker and she’ll be back in 11.2.5 or .7

[deep pawn]

So an Ethereal attack or Xal somehow forcing us are the two main ways I could feel like dealing with the Ethereals right now would feel right.

Eh, nah, we have the datamined Ethereal raid stuff and the cinematic teaser. Its next, the issue I have is how does the story take us there cause they've laid 0 prep for us wanting and be able to travel across the universe. Something the lore says is incredibly difficult.

[zealous sedge]

True

I think rootlands / karesh hybrid story makes sense

[deep pawn]

Illidan had to use an incredibly powerful artifact to open a portal a ship could go through

[zealous sedge]

Like it’s kinda simplistic but just be pragmatic, the ethereal need our roots to bind their world back together

Not the roots literally, but the energy

Although it could be literal too

[deep pawn]

I think having the final battle be on one of the rocks with K'aresh's void soul as a backdrop would be sick.

But I just don't see how an entire zone there feels right when up until that shot we were told the world was gone

[zealous sedge]

100% and there isn’t a ton of lead up in the smaller patches

Or story bridging if you will

[deep pawn]

One more month

[zealous sedge]

I just hope we fight Xal

Although she will escape

Give us a real preview of her powers

But the fight needs to make it feel like she is just toying with us and we basically almost die

Taxes on valorstones https://www.wowhead.com/news/turbo-boost-valorstones-become-warbound-transferrable-at-25-penalty-376738#comments

[tropic trail]

Hell yea, I can’t wait till we can jut kill her 😂

[zealous sedge]

I know she blew up dalaran already but I need to see some more atrocities

Give me someone to really hate

[tropic trail]

Haha

[deep pawn]

Man, my least favorite type of forum arguing is line by line out of context rebuttals.

What the hell happened to actually formatting a well written response.

I don't get why so many people thought Metzen would bring a return to Faction war.

MoP was all about ending the cycle of bloodshed.

Metzen was gone when BfA veered right back to it.

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I very rarely go on forums or even wow Reddit for that matter

So toxic

[deep pawn]

So many people hate Faerin

[fathom fulcrum]

DF >>>>> TWW

imo

the only good thing about TWW is Magni who is there for like 30 minutes and Stromgarde Tabard 😭

Stromgarde tabard is peak though

[deep pawn]

TWW is suffering a bit from the late direction change indeed.

[fathom fulcrum]

I feel like the story havent really progressed anywhere 😔

wonder what the rewards for Legion remix are going to be

HOPEFULLY ITS EVERYTHING + RECOLORS

[zealous sedge]

I think with 11.1.7 we are finally getting on track with Metzen’s overall vision

[zealous sedge]

If it’s just like MoP remix then yeah

Though I’m really excited to hear about their improvements to the system

The things they learned

The world tier system already got me hyped

Remix was announced April 10th 2024 and then released May 16th 2024

I doubt they are keeping the same timeline

Unless

They anticipate 11.2 to release later than we expect

[deep pawn]

Nah

11.2 is right on schedule for early August

There's 0 indication they're slowing down. 11.1.7 is actually one week shorter than I expected, but that's to get story mode out before Gamescom

Legion remix likely starts some time in December and will last 2-3 months like MoP remix

[fathom fulcrum]

why announce it so early then 😭

[zealous sedge]

for hype

Unless they plan for the mode to run longer but that doesn’t make sense with their retention metrics and goals

It’s for the down times

When people aren’t playing

[warm topaz]

we kinda knew it was coming since it's on the roadmap in a way

[zealous sedge]

But yeah I don’t want to wait 7 months haha

[ember blaze]

it's kinda crazy though that it took Metzen coming back for the devs to consider telling a story over multiple expacs

and not rushing 20 storylines in one patch 🤔

[silent urchin]

I'm sure the devs considered it but metzen is able to convince execs

we're never going to really find out what happens with internal politics though so it's not really worth speculating that hard about it

[ember blaze]

yeah i could buy that 🤔

[deep pawn]

TWW killing Xal and the Titans feels nuts

[lyric heart]

If they kill her, that would be such a letdown

My feelings about her aside, she’s a fascinating character who needs a good story arc. Killing her is not that.

[zealous sedge]

They won’t

[lyric heart]

I don’t think they will, but they haven’t always done this well

[uncut vault]

Well, remember how Dragonflight was our "return to Azeroth and chill" xpac, and it immediately kicks off with a world-ending threat, leading into the end of time itself, leading into Archimonde 2.0 all within the same xpac

Blizzard has had a major issue with threat escalation since BfA

Probably even Legion, you could argue

[dense plover]

dont we know for a fact Xal doesnt die in TWW?

[deep pawn]

I meant if that was the original plot\

[rain cave]

putting her back in a dagger or something would be hilarious

[dense plover]

like - that was one of the explicit things chris metzen mentioned as part of the world soul saga

that Xal would be around at least through midnight

[rain cave]

personally would love them to start "imprisoning" and potentially reforming some villains a bit

xal will never be "good" like us. But having her trapped in some prison somewhere where we can consult her if something comes up would be fun

also means that they could then build a rogues gallery of return villains instead of having to set-up and kill them off in an expension wholly themed around them

[deep pawn]

yeah, but at PAX they said the original major beats for the entire saga were gonna be TWW

[rain cave]

if they built up a new prison of all our biggest threats, that naturally sets up a relesing all our worst villains expac

like imagine pushing kil'jaeden + xal into a forced alliance because of hatred against us. (Ik it won't happen since bro is dead)

[lavish raptor]

theyre bad at redemption/reformation arcs

[rain cave]

tbf we've only really had illidan

[lavish raptor]

silbongo

[rain cave]

and debateably a bit of sylvanas

[deep pawn]

My statement of disbelief was trying to imagine a TWW where we deal with Xal'atath and the Titans entirely where it doesn't feel stupidly rushed.

[rain cave]

casually bonking 2 legion level concepts on the head with one expansion shaped hammer

in less patches as well

[deep pawn]

Like would we still have had Nerub'ar Palace?

Would Ansurek feel as epic as freaking Xal'atath and Aman'thul as end bosses? 😄

Nightfall and Midnight being all in Hallowfall sorta fits haha

I still think original Nightfall being Beledar goes dark and stays dark sounds better than what we got.

[pulsar minnow]

I dont think Metzen came as late in development as yall think he did. He returned at the beginning of 2022 right after Dragonflight's launch, pretty much right as TWW should've been beginning development

I doubt stuff like Nightfall or Siren Isle were really planned that far in advance. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Nightfall, siren isles, etc.. began development at the around launch of TWW

[deep pawn]

We know the concept art was back in 2020

[pulsar minnow]

Pre-Production. yes

[deep pawn]

I don't see a reason to disbelieve the devs when they said they were going to do the Saga as one expansion until Metzen suggested spreading it out.

[pulsar minnow]

I didn't disagree with that

[deep pawn]

And we have the word of Blizzard who said 12.0 was done before 11.0 went live.

[pulsar minnow]

But I don't think stuff like Nightfall was really apart of the plan back then lol

[pulsar minnow]

Their words were that they were already working on midnight as of launch iirc

Proletariat had begun development while TWW launched

[lyric heart]

It could’ve been, but then they realized how much we love her

[deep pawn]

Yeah, they said back in 2023 that Midnight was already in heavy development, an expansion that won't be out until early 2026.

Siren Isle may have been in the original plan, it may have been a rush job to fill caps that 11.2.7 is going to cover now.

I think parts of Nightfall were in the original plan with Xal forcing the Sureki to attack while Beledar goes dark.

May have even been the original 11.1 name.

[uncut vault]

It's not really a matter of debate, he said he came in when 11.0 was 10 months into active development

So the original plans for 11.x were already well in the works, just not actively created yet

and the foundation for what they intended to lead to was already created with 11.0

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but I really dont think content like the Faerin/Stromgarde story, Nightfall, and Siren Isle were really intended for this original mega expansion.

[deep pawn]

Nah, Faerin/Stromgarde makes perfect sense if 12.0 was Arathi Empire.

[pulsar minnow]

If that was the plan. I mean they're revamping Northerend and Quel Thalas now, was a world revamp the original plan for 12.0? We don't really know what this mega expansion was, and tbh I'm really curious what it is

I hope they tell us the og plans after the saga is over

like a retrospective

[deep pawn]

I don't think Quel'thalas or Northrend was in the cards at all originally.

[pulsar minnow]

agreed

[deep pawn]

Which is partly why they're doing revamps so they have a baseline design ready to go.

Honestly that could be Holly Longdale's influence because that's mostly what EQ expansions are now.

Largely reusing existing zone layouts.

[uncut vault]

I'm still waiting on my "how the hell did BfA end up the way it did" retrospective lol

hell, still waiting on the full "how the hell did WoD end up the way it did" retrospective too lmao

[deep pawn]

I want to know the original WoD and Shadowlands plots.

[uncut vault]

we only know bits and pieces

and the broadstrokes of "they sacrificed WoD for the sake of Legion"

[deep pawn]

I mean WoD is pretty clear. Beta wasn't well received, was behind on development, and launch had a spike and immediate crash

They abandoned WoD.

[uncut vault]

Nah WoD was abandoned far before launch, we know that much

[deep pawn]

People started getting bad vibes the moment they abandoned the original capitals.

[uncut vault]

they just kept up the veneer for the sake of launch

Stuff was cut as early as the second showcase event

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly I loved the vibes of BFA, despite not playing competitively at all because of Azerite. Nazjatar to this day is still one of the best zones they've ever added in my eyes (just wish it was a full expansion)

[uncut vault]

BfA is definitely a great vibes expansion if you can entirely turn your brain off, I agree lol

[pulsar minnow]

For sure 💀

[deep pawn]

BfA is great without its systems

[pulsar minnow]

by vibes i kinda just mean the zones and locations

[deep pawn]

Blizzard expansions are often ruined by its systems.

[pulsar minnow]

The story is just bogged down by Afrisiabi's Sylvanas hatred

[uncut vault]

but from what limited stuff I've been told from dev friends (who dont work there anymore) + some file naming stuff, BfA was essentially originally concepted as two xpacs in the same way legion was

[deep pawn]

Was Argus supposed to be an entire expansion?

[uncut vault]

much earlier in development concept, but yes

That's why we got Thal'dranath on the original reveal

it was originally planned to go Nighthold > elf ruins patch > Tomb of Sargeras

and then a proper Twisting Nether xpac

[deep pawn]

I mean I buy their "It's just more elf ruins like Aszuna, so it was boring."

[uncut vault]

but the cascade of "fatigue" worries is what changed their mind

WoD got cuts due to worries about orc fatigue, so it got a legion final patch

and then Legion got condensed over worries about green fel fatigue

[deep pawn]

BfA does feel like 2 expansions in one. I would wager the original siege raid got cut cause SoO exists haha

[uncut vault]

Similarly, from what I know (which is total conjecture), it was supposed to follow the three Warbringers as the three patch bosses

culminating in basically what we got with 8.2, just fully post-faction war plot resolving with a Sylvanas raid beforehand

and leading into a full Nzoth xpac

But you can tell pretty starkly even from the BfA they got that they decided to hard-pivot after 8.1 development into the Jailer and the Shadowlands

So N'zoth got condensed and rushed past so we could do that instead

[deep pawn]

So would Kargath have been the final boss of the Shattrath raid?

[uncut vault]

hence why the faction war is basically dropped entirely in 8.1.5, and we suddenly do the forced "go visit death gods so they can tell you how EEEVIIIILLLL Sylvanas is" questline

[deep pawn]

oh, warbringers, sorry.

[uncut vault]

I don't think we've ever been told any of the full plans for the original Shattrath/Hellfire raids, hence what I mean about us not knowing the full story

all we knew was Grommash as the original final boss

[deep pawn]

Mixed Warlords and Warbringers.

[uncut vault]

everything about Shattrath raid just comes from speculation about the little map preview we saw + the dropped stories that are evident in the game (poor Socrethar)

If nothing else, the more recent xpac pivots are a lot more evident as to where and why, they've been more clear about how management changes have caused development pivots post-lawsuit

[deep pawn]

I remain convinced Shadowlands cut an entire patch and an entire mini raid.

And at least one dungeon.

[lavish raptor]

wheres our drust raid

[uncut vault]

I've always thought so too, but Ion and Danuser always insist that it was intended as a 2-patch expansion

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't be shocked the drust weapons in the trading post were the last vestiges of the Drust raid.

[uncut vault]

and I dont know if it's better to assume they were just lying for PR, or genuinely thought that a 2-patch xpac was acceptable lol

[deep pawn]

Well 2 patch is now standard which sucks.

[uncut vault]

It does, but they at least dress it up by having the content drawn out over sub-patches

[deep pawn]

Also the whole "4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid" is a launch.

[uncut vault]

we're not actually getting more content than Shadowlands, but we're getting it at a better cadence

[deep pawn]

Maldraxxus's plot line is so obviously missing things that would have been resolved in a dungeon in the elite area, the Drust story just ends. Helya being punted unceremoniously, Mueh'zalah literally being forgotten until the Troll Heritage quests.

[uncut vault]

The thing with Shadowlands is that you can never tell what was a cut plotline vs just a badly told story lol

Were Helya and Mueh'zala cut, or were they just shoved into the story to show how powerful and cool Blizzard wanted us to think the Jailer is?

[deep pawn]

Like it makes 0 god damn sense, Krexus, one of the freaking loading screen characters, is killed off screen pre expansion?

Like what the hell is that decision?

[uncut vault]

What, you weren't sold on how powerful and dangerous an enemy we had to face in... checks notes Baron Vyraz?

(I consider myself a lore aficionado and I had to look up his name lol)

[deep pawn]

oh wait, Krexus was apparently in the quests, but was still killed off screen.

I honestly forgot he was there.

[uncut vault]

also I love how passive-aggressive his wiki page is

[deep pawn]

hah yeah

Was his VA or main writer connected to the scandals or something?

But this all goes back to the fact that I'll be really disappointed with the writing if we suddenly walk through a portal in 11.2 to K'aresh cause Locus Walker says "Go."

[uncut vault]

According to Danuser, the plan was always to do that with Krexus

he was only used in marketing like that to not spoil the Primus stuff

[deep pawn]

That's trash marketing lol.

[uncut vault]

Like I said lol

[deep pawn]

You aren't Alfred Hitchcock.

[uncut vault]

I'm shocked that theres no MSQ involving anything with 11.2 in 11.1.7

We're getting the Lorewalking, which has the obvious ve'nari involvement tease, but for the average player it's probably going to be so jarring going to K'aresh

[deep pawn]

there was no MSQ in 11.0.5 and 11.1.5 which is nuts to me.

how do you have 2 patches with 0 main story?

[uncut vault]

maybe they'll do another subzone in an existing area like what 11.1 got with Gutterville, and that will be our lead-in

but even then

[deep pawn]

I may whine about for example 10.1.7 being better off as an email, but that's in comparison to the masterpiece that was 10.1.5.

All the threads we have, with the exception of one cutscene stinger would be we go down following the blood.

Which is likely a relic of the original plot.

[uncut vault]

Which is funny because 10.1.5 is continuing that plot with the Horrific Visions

[deep pawn]

I agree, the Bronzes show up and are all "Let's reacquaint ourselves with how old gods can drive you insane."

But the Ethereal's magic isn't that type.

But the Black Blood makes us see stuff now

So I'm just lost on what they want to tell and it's probably going to make me feel really disappointed and ask why even bother with Khaz Algar.

Which sucks cause I love the setting.

[lavish raptor]

was there confirmation we're going to focus on Alien Planet outside of like five seconds of a cutscene and hints at an ethereal raid/season theme

like im more willing to believe it but i think its a bad plot swerve

[deep pawn]

Just we have strong indications the next raid is Ethereal Themed and the cutscene shows K'aresh

[austere gazelle]

yeah but better cadence doesnt mean better quality. It means content delivered on a scheduled basis so it feel that there is always something to do, but as a dev when you have deadline you can't move around you always cut corner to make it live or you push non priority changes or fixes after the release, which ends up having bugs at release that were reported in PTR but not corrected due to the lack of time to meet the deadline, and thus making the players feel that their input is worthless, and class balancing being thrown to the trash ( add to that, insightful feedback from players that can't make it live because of the lack of time and the short delay to make said feedback apply into game, thus resulting in changes not being made to some smelly feature )

in short, it's a communication nightmare after that

And I dont understand why blizzard don't explain this thing clearer in a more transparent way and let players think they don't read bug report or feedback

[silent urchin]

class balancing is probably the best its ever been

[tropic trail]

Actually she is very good character. At the beginning when they datamined her, I was confused as hell cause I read negative stuff about her but after questing in Hallowfall i like her. Hehe 😂

[harsh mason]

I don't think 11.0.5, which added a huge amount of content for the 20th anniversary of the game (it all requires resources and time) deserves such a question. 11.1.5 is just focused on farm content, it doesn't do anything wrong. Moreover, there is a plot, just without a quests chains

There was a new raid at least at 11.0.5 , technical

And it's not just cntr c+cntrl v, as it was with naxxaramas (which is a full first raid tier in WotLK, by the way) or Onyxia.

[harsh mason]

I have confidence that her character has changed from the moment they started making CGI cinematics.

It feels like she was originally older and with a different personality.

[warm topaz]

Agree. This season and Dragonflight season 3 are tied up there

[deep pawn]

Gameplay is fine, my issue is with the lack of story

And lack of story kills my desire to engage. I didn't enjoy df s3 cause I didn't feel like I was playing DF anymore in m+

[sullen dawn]

This plus more non-combat features (but housing is coming so nws)

[rain cave]

especially with the primus not even being that big of a plot reveal

[deep pawn]

I'm amused by people thinking they won't reveal 11.2 until after 11.1.7 comes out

The fact 11.1.7 looks to be 7 weeks already cancels that out and I can't see Blizzard launching a patch and a ptr 2 days apart.

Soo, 11.2 ptr comes before 11.1.7

June 8th being a Sunday feels weird though

Why is Xbox announcing stuff on Sunday mornings

[austere gazelle]

ret paladin is still a problem. A class shouldn't have that much utility on top of good dps. Some class were nerfed for less than that

[upper pasture]

Isn’t paladin like metzens favored class tho?

[warm topaz]

i think Metzen have 0 influence on balance/class design team

[upper pasture]

Yes, I know that’s the joke tho. People joked all the time how metzen “always” pushed the scales in paladins favor despite anyone with a brain would know that’s not really how a game like this would ever function

Just like there was that “one dev” who’s a arcane mage main so that’s why for seemingly forever arcane was just op

[glass fulcrum]

Found out recently you can use one of ret paladin's talents to make Templar's Verdict into Justicar's Vengeance, and Justicar's Vengeance doesn't require a two handed weapon.

Why would you do this? idk lol

[deep pawn]

People say Ion is why resto shaman was good for so long.

[upper pasture]

huh, idk why but Ion strikes me as a rogue main

but i will say he was a pretty cool dude when i got to talk to him for a bit, seems to really love chatting with players and talking about the game

[deep pawn]

He doesn't play as much anymore, or at least not on his old public account

but he was a shaman main.

people memed on him not getting aotc or something in a recent tier

[upper pasture]

that's sad, dude is busy working to harp on him not getting AotC is wild. people are weird

[deep pawn]

It's people looking for reasons to be mad at design decisions

I know I'm setting myself up for disappointment with Naga DHs and a third spec in Midnight, but I'm still hoping

[warm topaz]

on that topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ZrBlPJxw0

Ion give some really great answers about how he is not able to enjoy the game as much as he would like to (as a player)

and how the game director role have change over the years

[rain cave]

Ion's hair is directly linked with how hard that man is being worked lmao

give him a medal

[sullen dawn]

Always has been like that

Then want it to be watchable across all major timezones, and they did Sunday cos it was typically the day before e3 started (they always wanted their conference to be first)

[deep pawn]

ah

[deep pawn]

Marlamin is saying there was some sort of creator event today.

[lavish raptor]

i wish queueing for dungeons in ptr required less people

[sullen dawn]

Ya housing and 11.2 previews

[tulip sun]

Wonder how long till we see stuff from it

[ember blaze]

man, ive been going through the artifact questlines, and it's kinda cool having these unique scenarios for what u play

tho i get its a lot of work to do tht more often

[sullen dawn]

Could be housing stuff this week. Karesh imo is around xbox games shown in 3 weeks

Plus teaser for midnight at gamescom

[ember blaze]

what more is there to see for housing

[lavish raptor]

the house

[zealous sedge]

I wanna see some gameplay

Although did we get kind of an house edit mode in game preview in the last post or was that just concept art

I wanna see a character walk around in their house

Oh and neighborhood stuff

[deep pawn]

We're supposed to get a full reveal sometime in late summer. If not Gamescom it has to be like first week of September.

alpha isn't on the roadmap yet but surely that's like October.

[sullen dawn]

Yeh

I meant they would tease midnight for gamescom at the xbox show

Like "and join us for gamescom as we take our first deep dive into midnight"

After a 11.2 trailer/annnounce

[warm topaz]

It's fun to read theories and speculation from 2022

10.3

really fun patch lol

[harsh mason]

Then the question is, if Khazalgar according to this theory is 10.1, then what was 10.0💀

[pulsar minnow]

Shadowlands Pt. 2!

On everyone’s soul (except mine) 13.0 will be Return to Korthia! But nobody is ready for that conversation yet

[lavish raptor]

the entire zone is a dungeon

Cos thats how big it is

[pulsar minnow]

The “City” of Secrets is a secret itself

So glad they’ve gone back to making massive zones again

I was always a bit peeved that all these important places were so small. In BFA I remember I was so upset I counted all the houses in Zuldazar and the zone had like maybe 13 total

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/legacy-of-arathor-1117-ptr-development-notes/2100905/5 oh greedy emissary event up for testing

also build out

[ionic terrace]

you win

😛

they removed the legion meta

[silent urchin]

rip

it wasn't done anyway

seems like it's outside the city

[ionic terrace]

discord is being bad rn

hmm

[silent urchin]

bah

it's not just a insta kill gobbo thing

they have affixes you have to deal with

oh it despawned, weird

was immune to damage, had one thing that spawned adds and one that had a soak circle

they might be personal? I saw a goblin when I arrived, but a bunch of other people showed up and seemed to fight one but I didn't see a thing

[upper pasture]

maybe they had an elixir?

[silent urchin]

Don't think so

hmm, they show up if I fly away and return

ok I think they're just kinda broken. They go invisible after maybe a minute but are still there

killed one in undermine and that worked, loot

[glass fulcrum]

The first 10 are garaunteed to have something, but theres 9 pieces a set, whats the final reward lol

[silent urchin]

that was the 6 shards, you need 40 per set

you can stack elixirs on them

that actually spawned two goblins

they have a duration, sad

ok after the first ten hellcaller chests which each had 6 shards, I got 5 shards in two of the next three

it's gonna be pretty easy to farm all the sets, they're only 40 each

[upper pasture]

I wonder if the first ten thing is per account or character

Are the hellstones warbound or a transferable currency?

[silent urchin]

seems to be transferable

[glass fulcrum]

ahh, I assumed the Enmity Cloak & Hood was one of the tier sets

I see now thats the hood from the first run of the event

[silent urchin]

Also got the back items (again?)

[deep pawn]

Y'all think something could happen on Thursday? People are speculating over the early 11.1.7 build.

[zealous sedge]

I hope so

give me housing stuff and remix

i can wait for 11.2 reveal

as long is get something to gnaw on

also i guess they took out the Legion meta achieve for 11.1.7?

or maybe they are reworking it

[deep pawn]

well it was a bunch of placeholder

[deep pawn]

Part of me would be okay if we travel BACK to K'aresh's past.

to learn about it's faction divide, etc

[sullen dawn]

Even if we dont travel back im sure we'll get some good lore exposure on their past

Probably some flashbacks like on argus too

[harsh mason]

Maybe they never planned this for 11.1.7, but it appeared in the files by accident.

[silent urchin]

Quite likely. There's been a number of things that's happened with. It clearly wasn't ready yet. There's still 5 weeks til it launches but they probably target feature completion in the next week or two

[zealous sedge]

No real news all week maybe they are actually gearing up for something tomorrow or Friday

[ember blaze]

[zealous sedge]

[deep pawn]

People are speculating cause of the super early ptr build

But this feels way too early for an 11.2 ptr

[austere gazelle]

Do you think there will be a season 4 ?

[ember blaze]

if we do get some housing news, I hope it's a new profession.

[lone mantle]

Yes, please.

[rain cave]

If they replaced season 4 with early access to housing I think people would still just be running around doing content as if there was one

[silent urchin]

creators who went to boston all seem to have videos releasing at 6pm uk time today (10am PST, their standard news release time)

well, preach and tali at least. Haven't checked others. Preach said it wasn't wow related but he's also a terrible liar

although who knows maybe it's unannounced survival mmo so technically not wow

[rain cave]

didn't that get cancelled

[ember blaze]

yes

i remember some book mentioning a bunch of projects just getting thrown in the trash constantly

and bobby pushing who knows what

[silent urchin]

Not every projects gonna be a success, it's pretty normal fora bunch of experiements to never make it out of that stage. The survival MMO seemed like it was getting into production so that was a bit strange but I think it was the acquisition where it got killed off.

There's still a bunch of stuff from that they could reuse, like how project titan eventually evolved into overwatch

[deep pawn]

apparently you can look at the tags for Tali's video early and it says playing player housing so we'll see in 15 minutes

His video is 40 minutes long apparently.

[silent urchin]

there's gonna be an official blizz post too

that's going to be way more concise than whatever tali posts

[deep pawn]

yeah

I'm excited. Housing news is still cool.

[silent urchin]

it's player housing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxJCsbBpjrU

[deep pawn]

MrGM isn't happy lol.

[silent urchin]

why not

other than it being on the same weekend as his LFG con so he couldn't go and/or wasn't invited

[deep pawn]

cause housing doesn't seem exciting to him

[tulip sun]

Too bad for him i guess lol

[zealous sedge]

I’m so pumped an I only watched like 5 minutes if that review

[upper pasture]

It was one of the reasons I played Palia so hard when it came out, their house building system was pretty top notch

[zealous sedge]

I can’t wait to see players make escape room mini games in their houses

[deep pawn]

I'm still hoping for some exterior customization

[silent urchin]

sounded like there was some

also there was this, are we gonna have new ways to sit on stuff

[deep pawn]

npcs probably

[zealous sedge]

Such a “simple” change but makes everything so realistic

Oh

[deep pawn]

MrGM's biggest issue was saying "Would I have felt my time well spent coming to this event for b roll footage, gameplay I can't record, and an interview I can't release."

[upper pasture]

drantos, says you can customize the outside of your house

[little hound]

That's a nice hint, seeing as 10.2 will be K'aresh..

[deep pawn]

playable ethereals in 11.2.7 would make me sad over Haranir.

Like I said before they don't feel invested in Azeroth's survival like everyone else is.

[upper pasture]

i mean, if they get to "move-in" to azeroth instead of floating around the great beyond, why wouldn't they be invested?

[deep pawn]

I guess, but they've never shown any attachments to places before beyond what they can exploit.

[lavish raptor]

I think the only expac where they dropped new races halfway thru was BFA

They add the customizations for npc randomization

[little hound]

Ik, i'm just saying it's a fun tease hint to give, seeing as 10.2 is as Ethereal as we'll ever get it.

Now's the best time to ever announce them.

[lavish raptor]

You mean the one thats not confirmed to be set on an alien planet

[little hound]

Let me have some copium please?

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-cat-what-did-you-say-cat-meme-meme-gif-14864906847378301422

[lavish raptor]

[deep pawn]

only able to take home 3 screenshots, damn Blizz

[lavish raptor]

Speaking of speculation, they changed how the eyeball mechanic works in Temple of Sethraliss TW

snek dungeon m+? mayhaps....

[deep pawn]

apparently the fact Toby from the Neighborhood Content team exists is a spoiler.

[upper pasture]

that's the one with the healer boss at the end no?

[lavish raptor]

Yeah

[deep pawn]

yeah

[upper pasture]

lame, i hope it's just a rework for TW and not a M+ dungeon anytime soon, i didn't like that dungeon very much lol

[deep pawn]

Sethraliss will be less bad without explosive.

[silent urchin]

DIdn't that change a while ago? It's been extrmeely buggy at times

at one point that room had everything double spawned which was weird

[lavish raptor]

I would have to check temple of sethraliss on live

Might do that when i get home

I have a playthrough of ToS in timewalking from a twink perspective if anyone is interested

But yeah the mechanic is a weird channel instead - perhaps in higher difficulties the mechanic requires a synchronized channel

[silent urchin]

All the housing stuff sounds good but I can't understand why blizz won't let us see it

[glass flicker]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/possible-vendor-for-dungeon-drops-wow-player-housing-interview-with-preach-and-376887?utm_source=discord-webhook

I don't like this. Why? Please tell me it's optional.

I don't want NPCs around my house.

[silent urchin]

the vendor is attached to the dungeon, not your house (at least that's how it sounds). If there are NPCs you can probably choose them and move them wherever you want

even if you make a little oubliette so you never have to see them

[warm topaz]

yeah he said on the interview that the NPC is outside the dungeon

[zealous sedge]

I feel like it’s just a marketing hype sort of thing. They want to build intrigue. Probably won’t actually see gameplay and the outside of the house until midnight review

Or maybe they just want to wait until it’s perfect

[fathom fulcrum]

how Gnome housing

they dont have houses

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[lavish raptor]

They finally took back gnomer

Maybe

[fathom fulcrum]

JUSTICE FOR GNOMES

can we get nail polish and stuff?!?!!?

🤔

[rain cave]

here

[lone mantle]

That is beyond amusing.

[fathom fulcrum]

bro

[ember blaze]

WAIT, ETHEREAL PLAYABLE RACE CONFIRMED?

[ember blaze]

for the longest time when i saw ur pic on mobile, i thought it was donkey kong

[ember blaze]

what does that mean

[warm topaz]

that if there is a Neighborhood Content team, there are Neigborhood activities/content/quests etc..

not a big major spoiler, but hey good to know

[ember blaze]

oh ok yeah that's cool

i wonder if that means you can host things like mini games

set up duel areas for players

and whatever else

well that answers one

[warm topaz]

there you have it

[upper pasture]

that was just a "wrestling ring" no? not really much of a pvp arena, they did say in one of the interviews that they have considered it tho

[warm topaz]

yeah but you can create ur own "pvp arena" in your house and invite your friends there

[upper pasture]

yeah but that's a moot point if you can't actually /duel in the housing instance

[rain cave]

"fuck you make your own brawlers guild"

[fathom fulcrum]

WHAT 😭

thats literally Gnome World of Warcraft 😭

[ember blaze]

it was the random plant, and the brown hair and tiny mobile icon and me being blind i guess

[fathom fulcrum]

understandable, have a nice day

[dense plover]

man the housing stuff sounds so good

really excited to have housing that is so modern and ready for the crazy shit players want to do

[zealous sedge]

I really want to see some armor racks where players can equip transmog in their houses without paying the ethereals you know

Like maybe 5?

[deep pawn]

"Player Housing will arrive between Pre-Patch and Midnight Launch." I was wrong...

But that confirms prepatch in winter though

I really thought it'd be a preorder bonus in 11.2.7 lol

since it was on the roadmap with Remix

that disappoints me some.

unless prepatch is really early

[zealous sedge]

Interesting that it’s in between. Why do I feel like they’re going the regular 8 week cadence even with pre patch. So pre-patch 8 weeks > housing 8 weeks > Midnight launch

[deep pawn]

we've never had a prepatch that long

[ember blaze]

thats a long ass wait for a shitty event

altho i guess legion remix is on there

and possibly the new mode

[deep pawn]

housing isn't really an event

it's a new feature

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1200829.jpg

So roadmap has it early winter like january.

but likely got delayed a bit

[lavish raptor]

they revoiced/updated jaina's culling of stratholme lines

[deep pawn]

probably for Lorewalking since you go there.

[lavish raptor]

i havent checked if theyre different in Live

the old lines were in the previous build

but ye

[sullen dawn]

Housing late December, midnight early Feb. Prepatch slightly longer than usual due to christmas/new year

Although prepatch might need to come early December for housing to come late dec

[deep pawn]

the cadence doesn't work for that though.

August 11.2, October 11.2.5, and December 11.2.7.

I had prepatch penciled in for February at the earliest.

[sullen dawn]

I had always thought about prepatch in dec

[obtuse vine]

I wonder how the pre patch would work, I assume the new Quel’thalas and that would be locked off or something, which would be interesting to see how they do it, it’s always been an island/world appear on the maps in the pre patch but wasn’t actually accessible to launch, and that aside I wonder what pre patch events they cook up

[crude sigil]

I just want to see how they will revamp zones ... Because they need to be bigger than it's now

[silent urchin]

My assumption has always been it's just going to be a new copy of the zone like WoD was to TBC

[thin warren]

didn't we knew about Undermined by now in the previous cycle?

i want to know where we are going 😢

[sullen dawn]

Yep new zones are always not until the expansion itself, but it will be viewable on the game map

I guess silvermoon and bel'ameth will be the other neighborhoods in midnight, maybe goblin too

Earthen could be a stretch too. Half the work for all players plus its recent assets and their buildings are blocky and modular

Plus isle of dorn is very suited to it

[pulsar minnow]

I really wonder if they’ll connect the new Quel Thalas to the old world or if they’ll disconnect it like how it was in Burning Crusade. The zones are probably going to be massive like TWW and DF, so they’d look really weird tacked onto the significantly smaller zones from the old world

My guess is it’ll be disconnected again, and maybe a world revamp of Eastern Kingdoms will be tacked on in a later expansion

[warm topaz]

i think they confirmed that the zones will be connected to the old world, right? no loading screen

i briefly remember a interview back in blizzcon

but i'm not sure 100%

[pulsar minnow]

I think I might remember that too, not sure either

[uncut vault]

They did say this, yeah

Though I wonder if they might use tech similar to Zaralek/the Coreway

so that they're not literally grafting a continent-sized quel'thalas to the top of Eastern Plaguelands lol

[warm topaz]

how do you think they could use that tech for Quel'thalas?

i mean, for Zaralek and the Coreway it's so easy because they are underground

it would be cool to, someday, go up instead of down with that tech

[uncut vault]

It would definitely require more work, but I could see them putting a small part of new Quel'thalas on the EK map, which then phases you into the proper one once you hit the threshold, like Zaralek and the Coreway

[deep pawn]

I have a couple guesses

if it's just Quel'thalas, then purple void dome over it that acts as a loading screen while the old gate portal still works.

If it's a whole Lordaeron revamp then you just put a Zoridormi on the Thandol Span

Only reason I entertain a Lordaeron revamp is because of the Red Dawn plot.

[zealous sedge]

I really hope we get revamped Lordaeron/ Plaguelands updates.

4 zones:
Eversong Woods
Ghostlands
Zul’Aman
Plaguelands (combined eastern and western and “northern” lordaeron)

Patch 12.0.5 or .7
Isle of Quel’ Danas

[deep pawn]

They'd camp out in either Alterac or the Scarlet Enclave

See, I'd rather see a Cenarion restored Plaguelands so the zone would be called something else. 😄

[zealous sedge]

Oh totally I agree with that

It’s been decades

[deep pawn]

I could see Quel'thalas, Zul'Aman, Northern Lordaeron, and Southern Lordaeron as zones if they're expanding out

Like they could do it. The Ohn'aran plains feels like an entire continent for example.

Give us a modern Aerie, a rebuilt Thoradin's Wall.

Lordaeron City reclaimed.

[zealous sedge]

I could also see the entire northern peninsula of the eastern kingdoms just getting the full revamp treatment. Since zones are so big now that would make the zone size dichotomy easier to sell instead of just magically appearing new land.

[deep pawn]

You mean Lordaeron the continent right?

[zealous sedge]

Oh yes

[deep pawn]

in contrast to Azeroth the continent which is Stormwind+Khaz Modan

[zealous sedge]

I didn’t realize it was all lordaeron

[deep pawn]

The terms are old and a bit flimsy

Like the writers really don't wanna reference Azeroth continent anymore haha

[zealous sedge]

Haha yeah that’s true

[deep pawn]

But the entire northern continent was Lordaeron.

Thandol Span is a giant giant bridge.

[zealous sedge]

I think revamping it all including Gilneas is the move

[deep pawn]

could solve the issue about shared Silvermoon, neither get it.

[zealous sedge]

And make the thandol span the breaking point between old and new, not just quel thalas

[deep pawn]

Lordaeron City and Stromgarde become the capitals.

Could even have a reimagined Battle for Alterac Mountain BG

[zealous sedge]

Ohh I would love that

I feel like quel danas is too small to be a patch unless they decide to make it bigger

But it’s interesting they could use the cataclysm excuse still

To sell a change in size

Its still wild to me that they are the oldest zones in Azeroth

[lavish raptor]

midnight is probably when we're actually going to alien planet

and we might see some troll action too

there's also that empty space north of Stratholme

[upper pasture]

Isn’t that space lordaeron proper

Like the actual city

Uhhh, not lordaeron but stratholme

[deep pawn]

it's actually an unused elf area.

[lavish raptor]

technically its stratholme but that shit is also asploded

actually that gives me the thought of an AU where the goblins bulldozed stratholme in order to build a shopping mall

which then got abandoned after it was haunted by ghosts (obviously)

call it the Eastweald Mills

[sullen dawn]

Imo ghostlands will just be part of eversong

[deep pawn]

that requires them adding places outside of Quel'thalas even more so we'll see

[sullen dawn]

Silvermoon could be a zone

Id like to see them do a suramar with it

[deep pawn]

possibly

[zealous sedge]

I agree

[ember blaze]

im hoping they give org / stormwind a pass to modernize it

it's kinda the forced hub they force you back to

and it's so dated

and i really love stormwind in general

[zealous sedge]

I’m once again asking for new Draenei starting areas. Like can’t the exodar be fixed already?

[ember blaze]

[ember blaze]

@zealous sedgeat least your house aint this

seriously, the genious gnomes almost made themselves extinct, and they still dont have their home back? 💀

goblins

gnomes

[deep pawn]

there's hints they might, but they haven't done faction as main hub in multiple expansions

they even gave up forcing us to go there for AH

[ember blaze]

they force u to go there to start the new expac tho

[deep pawn]

not this one

this one you got teleported to Silithus then Dalaran

[fathom fulcrum]

IT WAS A SABOTAGE

also gnomes are waaaay smarter than goblins

[thin warren]

ooh, wild shit!

[ember blaze]

oh nvm it's just world first related

[thin warren]

boooh 😦

boring!

[ember blaze]

yeah

sounds like it's gonna be a controversial decision for world first

idc tho

[thin warren]

a bit exciting for the competitive players i guess

[deep pawn]

eh>

feels like I missed a ping

[deep pawn]

what was it for curiosity?

interview somewhere about heroic week?

[ember blaze]

No, just some info world first guilds know

Max just said they were gonna announce it today or sometime soon

[deep pawn]

oh

On a Saturday?

[ember blaze]

idk maybe he's wrong about the day

[deep pawn]

they wouldn't spoil race dates